[01:19] snaps seem to still require authentication? [04:07] did you fix it jayze [04:09] Yeah everything is working pretty great [04:09] although I was not able to connect to wifi on campus today. Must be something of how the wifi is setup authentication wise. [04:10] Works just fine at home when im not on the dock and authenticates. [04:13] jayze: yeah .edu networks can be a pain [04:14] yep, I am not sure exactly what the issue is there. But I am going to work on it next week for sure. [04:40] jayze: got any other bugs on artful you seen? [04:43] these are my founds https://bugs.launchpad.net/~lotuspsychje [04:52] mmm well, caffeine was crashing everytime I loaded up. [04:52] but I just removed it. [04:53] jayze: not very big issues :p [04:53] nope, not really. [04:53] jayze: overall gnome smoothness good for you on wayland? [04:53] Its been pretty stable, I did not even bother installing a LTS partition. [04:54] Very smooth. [04:54] Id try it on my desktop but I dont really want to setup dual booting on that machine. Though it would be way overpowered. [04:55] I am curious to see it run though [05:01] yeah [05:06] jayze: i got stuttering issue on xorg to wayland switch [05:06] on older ati x800 [05:21] Hello, all. This afternoon I made a live usb of the beta iso. It worked fine on my desktop, however on my acer chromebook 14 with galliumos gave a boot error gfxboot. Is this a known issue? [05:22] jstarnes: try TAB to bypass it? [05:24] !nomodeset | jstarnes could also help [05:24] jstarnes could also help: A common kernel (boot)parameter is nomodeset, which is needed for some graphic cards that otherwise boot into a black screen or show corrupted splash screen. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 on how to use this parameter [05:29] I am currently on the chromebook under gallium, so testing will have to wait a bit. [05:39] Set up irc on phone. I will try your suggestions. [05:43] Ok 'live nomodetest' got me to the live desktop. Thanks [05:44] !yay | jstarnes-and [05:44] jstarnes-and: Glad you made it! :-) [05:49] Do you guys know much about Linux display stack? [05:50] How does Linux treat tty console differently than the Xorg / wayland display? [05:53] I'm still tracing a bug with Gnome, where it logs me off everytime I turn off the screen. [05:54] But I do not know enough to the display stack to pin point the exact pacakge thats responsible. [06:36] yookoala: you don't really need to know, if you file a bug against some package that might be involved the devs will take care of reassigning it properly [06:42] ducasse: I have filed a bug but I don't know if devs noticed that. [06:42] I guess I might filed it under the wrong package. [06:43] which package did you file it against? what is the bug number? [06:45] ducasse: bug #1721428 under gnome-shell [06:45] bug 1721428 in Nouveau Xorg driver "Artful (17.10) Session logout after screen turned off" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1721428 [06:46] give me a moment to read it [06:46] ducasse: Thanks [06:49] it was only filed two days ago, that's not long. i suggest posting in the discussion thread you mention to get others to first of all confirm the bug, then add their comments. that will add to it's visibility. [06:52] ducasse: There are already others (I believe from the forum thread) commented on the issue. But I think I gotta wait then. [06:58] On the liveusb I have not been able to get sound via the speakers or headphones. Happily bluetooth ad2p do work. Any ideas? [08:06] Why my computer wont shut down on 17.10? [08:14] and my area selection screenshot doesn't work ... :/ [13:18] anybody have any success running gnome-music on 17.10 beta? === qqqwxlea is now known as qwxlea [14:19] qwxlea: I was able to launch gnome music and play a local track [14:19] it doesn't seem to understand the symlink though. My music is symlinked over autofs from a smb share on my server. [14:19] I haven't used gnome music in a long time. This is kind of blah compared to rhythmbox. :< [14:20] Is anybody else noticing any weirdness with 17.10 and Wayland? Just a minute ago I had about 3 or 4 programs open. I hit CTRL Q to close VLC and my entire session logged out. [14:20] This has happened a few times... [14:21] roasted: thanks, that explains some missing stuff, the startup is just very slow on first start, I forgot about it and after an hour stuff appeared [14:21] but so far it's stable [14:21] yeah. i mean it functioned for what few local tracks I had [14:21] but if I can't tap into a network share for my music this thing is DOA to me. :P [14:21] yep, went back to clementine [14:21] I also find it irritating that just by clicking a track it auto plays it [14:22] which is ugly... [14:22] so when I was in IRC and lcick back to gnome music to make it active window, it switched my track [14:22] I haven't used clementine in a while now. [14:22] I hav ea soft spot for Clementine -- I used it to run the music at my own wedding 5 years ago. :P [14:22] I quite like rhythmbox tho. More simplistic than Clementine but it actually has useful/expected features vs Gnome Music. [14:22] clementine is like the dog from GOT, ugly but powerful, potentially evil (qt) [14:23] I think I have some misguided anger towards Qt at the moment. [14:23] The appindicator is acting silly with Qt apps [14:23] i like krita... [14:23] so i'm finding myself looking for a new IRC client that isn't Qt just to avoid that bug [14:23] I hope it gets fixed by release though [14:23] it's maddening [14:24] testing polari here [14:24] I'd rather simply not use appindicator than my icons changing just by my screen locking [14:24] I'm tempted to try out polari [14:24] but I would need some sort of bouncer [14:24] I use quassel-core and quassel-client. It's gravy. [14:24] I would need to set up ZNC or something to switch clients if I want that same feature set. [14:24] and ZNC is hilarious to set up vs that of QuasselCore [14:24] roasted: https://riot.im/ [14:25] never heard of this madigens [14:25] looks neat at first glance tho [14:25] me neither until a month ago. it's an online messenger thingamabob with irc bridging [14:25] can I host it on my server? [14:26] maybe, the core is apparently opensource [14:26] madigens: that is not an inspiring line [14:26] :-) [14:26] haaa [14:26] :P [14:26] any of you running 17.10 with wayland? [14:26] yes [14:27] you see any random log outs when you hit certain keyboard shortcuts? [14:27] i'd love to run wayland but i don't seem to get that option [14:27] like what shortcuts? [14:27] like I hit CTRL Q to close VLC [14:27] an dit logged out my entire session [14:27] just a sec... let me try [14:27] and somehow my laptop locked up typing that as I hit space bar [14:28] like just now I did it and it closed VLC fine [14:28] but 15 mins ago [14:28] session just died as if I hit log out [14:29] nope works fine vlc+wayland+CTRL-Q [14:29] it's happened with other apps too [14:29] but i have a super-simple graphic card [14:29] I don't even use VLC. That was the first time I opened it. [14:29] gnome-mpv here [14:29] yeah [14:29] I dig gnome-mpv and mpv [14:29] for difference use-case scenarios [14:30] what's your experience with appindicator [14:30] are you getting any wishy washy icons? [14:30] i.e. screen times out or you lock it, come back, half are gone? [14:31] seems isolated to Qt apps for the most part [14:31] nope, sofar everything is great, better then kde-neon-plasma which crashed daily [14:31] but i have been in chrome-emacs-gnome-terminal for two days, mainly [14:31] yeah I had a bad experience with neon [14:32] it does it with apps like dropbox and nextcloud too [14:32] and quassel in my case [14:32] telegram [14:32] yes, i try kde every two years or so, and then go back to gnome [14:32] if I lock screen and come back telegram, quassel, dropbox gone [14:32] nextcloud remains somehow [14:32] it's squirrely [14:32] ok, i haven't installed those yet, let me try installing dropbox ... brb [14:36] installing dropbox always makes me feel a bit dirty... [14:36] yeah. I really don't use dropbox much. [14:37] 5GB of Dropbox or 1TB on my nextcloud... tough decision :P [14:37] dropbox is a good example of the issue with appindicator that 17.10 will use, tho [14:38] roasted: you have a private nextcloud install? [14:38] yeah [14:38] I just host it on an old light power server in my basement [14:38] threw two laptop drives in there, 2x1TB, raid1'd them. it works. :P [14:38] ok, testing closing my laptop, and coming back, hopefully... brb [14:39] no need to test close. Even a simple lock screen + log in (Super L, then log back in) will simulate the issue. :P [14:40] hope the bug gets more traction by release [14:40] ok, got myself a beer, as i am being super helpful today :-) [14:40] you see the dropbox systray icon disappear? [14:40] dropbox icon is gone [14:40] there's a bug somewhere. could +1 it. :P sec... [14:41] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-appindicator/+bug/1719192 [14:41] Launchpad bug 1719192 in gnome-shell-extension-appindicator (Ubuntu) "Some Top Icons Disappear After Screen Locks - 17.10" [Undecided,Confirmed] [14:41] I gotta jet for a bit. back later. thanks for the quick confirmation. :P [14:41] welcome! [15:03] Looking for some assistance on a wifi problem. Upgraded 17.04 - 17.10 last night. Wifi connects but continues to show a ? instead of strength. Unable to resolve any address. [15:03] Asking again before I wipe the laptop. [15:04] iratemin: you can do some debugging with nmcli [15:06] im not experienced with that tool but can read up on it. What types of checks do you suggest running? [15:10] start with nmcli> some pastebin, it is probably a driver issue [15:13] sounds good. I'll play with it tonight. thanks for the advice [15:17] iratemin: we had stuff like this before: https://askubuntu.com/questions/613065/unable-to-connect-to-wireless-network-following-upgrade-to-15-04 [15:17] have fun! [20:04] Hi all, has anyone got any experience with the networking changes in Ubuntu 17.10 server in regard to static IPs and bridge interfaces? [20:36] Mmmmmm.... juicy silence.... [20:40] tosmann: Generalities are too broad . Got a specific question ? [20:43] Bashing-om: Yes - I've tried setting my network preferences (static) the same way I used to in 17.04 and 16.10 ( /etc/network/interfaces). This is ignored in 17.10. I've also tried to create a /etc/systemd/network/25-myconf.network but this is also ignored. I can't find any documentation on what has changed or what should be the "preferred" way of doing things now - thus, I ask - what changed? I want to create my br0 interface that has th IP and config [20:44] and redirect it to my enp8s4f0... [20:46] tosmann: Good question that I do not know the answer to . no br0 experience here . wait for the response here of those who do know . === qqqwxlea is now known as qwxlea [21:11] tosmann: the best docs i used, but that was last year or so: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd-networkd#Bridge_interface [21:14] is tracker-preferences dead? how do i tell tracker NOT to index certain folders? [21:22] tosmann: aiui, network configuration is now handled by netplan, but it is (or is supposed to, anyway) auto-generate config from existing /e/n/i or nm setups [21:22] you might want to look into it anyway, 'nplan' package. i've got a link, somewhere... [21:35] ducasse: step 1, hurdle 1: [21:35] root@thjalfi:/etc/systemd/network# netplan ifupdown-migrate [21:35] Unsupported method manual [21:36] iface enp8s4f0 inet manual <---- needed in the old /e/n/i when using a bridge... [21:41] oh, faaantastic. i was thinking of upgrading my desktop today, glad i didn't... [21:44] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Netplan https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MigratingToNetplan [21:46] qwxlea: I have the opposite problem. Tracker seems to work against the default folders, but not of anything inside new folders I created, such as nextcloud, etc. [21:46] oh what the [21:47] think I just found it actually? [21:47] roasted: gnome-control-center > search, little star, add OTHER location [21:47] qwxlea: system settings >> search >> 3 lines in lower right corner [21:47] qwxlea: but doesn't that answer your question too as you can just disable what you don't want? [21:48] roasted: maybe, it might take some time for stuff to appear, disapear from the index [21:48] it sure is no OSX-spotlight :-( [21:49] I'm already getting results populating [21:49] so tracker must have updated [21:50] a more logical default approach would be any non-hidden dir in /home/$USER [21:50] wonder if I can just do that... [21:58] ducasse: the magic line that will unbreak the network; "apt install ifupdown" :) Thanks for the link. I think they still have a mile to go with the migration to Netplan. It may be a good idea from a descriptive installation point of view - but from the viewpoint of a sysop of decades, it's "one more thing I have to learn and another which I can't unlearn". I've installed ifupdown and am about to reboot - let's see if the iron comes up with an active [21:58] network again :) [22:05] tosmann: fingers crossed :) [22:06] tosmann: let's hope so :) seems it's trendy to plug in new software before it can do the stuff the old did... [22:15] nope, still comes up on dhcp :| [22:24] GRUB doesn't display anything for me, but still responds to keyboard actions. [22:24] It started happening recently. [22:30] ok, progress - installed bridge-tools (which aren't installed by default - my oversight) and rebooted, now the interfaces _are_ correctly configured - but something still tags as failed in starting the network (delaying boot for almost 2 minutes)... [22:47] tosmann: ' systemd-analyze ; systemd-analyze blame ' give any hints ? [23:31] The problem was systemd-networkd-wait-online - and it wasn't enough to do systemctl disable, it needed systemctl mask [23:31] but at least no I have liftoff. Reboot time down to 160 seconds... [23:32] s/no/now