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[00:34] <xorpad> Wnl/
[00:35] <xorpad> who's idea was it to drop the old recovery and go with CMW?
[00:35] <xorpad> because it's... horrible
[00:35] <xorpad> and it's not even complete, could have waited till it was ready before replacing the old one
 What old recovery?
[00:39] <xorpad> The one that comes with vivid
 On...
[00:39] <xorpad> I'm working on getting xenial to boot on mako
[00:40] <xorpad> I'm assuming I'm not an idiot and the only one who can't get it to boot
 Well, no. No one has. No one has tried.
 Except you
[00:40] <xorpad> ahh
[00:40] <xorpad> I see
[00:40] <xorpad> well the kernel is fine
[00:42] <xorpad> and but the system reboots half way through loading according to , the progress bar, and then won't do anything till I wipe cache and factory reset
[00:43] <xorpad> and adb works, but adb logcat doesn't
 No, it might not. The binaries aren't in the expected place.
 Try `/system/bin/logcat`
[00:45] <xorpad> nothing in /system/bin at all
[00:45] <xorpad> not a single binary
 wat
 Is there anything in /systm
[00:46] <xorpad> but there's recovery logs in /tmp
[00:46] <xorpad> cd /system
[00:46] <xorpad> oops
[00:46] <xorpad> just the empty bin folderr
 Is anything showing on screen at this point?
[00:47] <xorpad> yeah, the boot screen loads if i do a factory reset, but then half way through the progress bar it crashes
 I almost wonder if Android nuked itself
[00:47] <xorpad> I think it could be, that I forget about the initfamfs
[00:47] <xorpad> I remeber I need one, but can't find it
 I could try to ping @mariogrip but I think he's asleep.
[00:48] <xorpad> Well, I've still got a lot of things to try
[00:50] <xorpad> I'm gonna make a folder where i extract the system image and ensure everything is there, in which case the partitions aren't being mounted, which means the old recovery was far superior
 But lacking in the source department.
 And the recovery isn't responsible for mounting partitions once you're to System
[00:52] <xorpad> yeah, but it's responsible for mounting them when I'm in recovery
[00:52] <xorpad> I'm gonna make my own recovery, that should solve this
 Alternatively, it's possible that everything is getting pushed but Android is deleting itself once you get to the system
 Or rather, the container crashes and systemd tries to start it for a second time on a single boot, deleting it.
 To fix it, do the following from root in recovery: … ```mount /data/rootfs.img /mnt … chroot /mnt /bin/bash … . /etc/environment … systemctl disable lxc@android```
 That way you can adb in, (in theory) and start the container at your own leisure to see what's going on
[00:55] <xorpad> no like, seriously, I'm not okay with the downgrade in recovery
[00:55] <xorpad> I have always looked down on CWM, and this is CWM missing most of the features which is even worse]
[00:56] <xorpad> TWRP is widely accepted as a better recovery with way more features
[00:56] <xorpad> and the vivid recovery is TWRP based and worked great
[00:56] <xorpad> it just didn't have the look of ubuntu/unity
 https://code-review.phablet.ubuntu.com/#/admin/projects/?filter=recovery
 If that's the case, it's Canonical's build and there's no source
[00:57] <xorpad> Well, I'll make one
[00:57] <xorpad> gonna try the recovery that's not device specific, see if it's any better
[00:58] <xorpad> but we need a better recovery than this
 Why?
[00:59] <xorpad> Because it's featureless and useless
[00:59] <xorpad> the old one was useful in more than a few ways
[00:59] <tgBot> amrhelmy2004 was added by: amrhelmy2004
[01:00] <xorpad> remeber when I mentioned that my goals had to be similar to what the project leaders want... well, I really hope this isn't something we argue over
[01:01] <xorpad> nope, no luck with the generic recovery, just a blank screen with a backlight
[01:02] <xorpad> liek this one has less features than the stock recovery
[01:02] <xorpad> I consider that a bad thing
[01:03] <tgBot> Anch4 was added by: Anch4
[01:03] <xorpad> i just flashes lineageos recovery
[01:03] <xorpad> 14.1 which I synced from the repo earlier today
[01:04] <xorpad> yeah, the recovery is failing to process the fstab
[01:04] <xorpad> that's what I see in the logs, which I couldn't see with the ubuntu official recovery
[01:06] <xorpad> well, there was no fstab, only a recovery fstab
[01:06] <xorpad> so that could be the problem, that it didn't have a file system to work with
 Interesting.
[01:07] <xorpad> Yeah, they might have meant to make a better recovery, but they haven't done it yet
 Well, Canonical might have. We took more of a 'It updates Ubuntu and we can debug, it only needs to look pretty during updating' approach.
[01:09] <xorpad> well, I am taking a 'it must be as functional and relevant to the os it's meant to serve as I can make it'
[01:09] <xorpad> approach
 Sure.
[01:09] <xorpad> which the old one was
[01:09] <xorpad> it didn't look like it was part of unity, but it had lots of functionality that I thought was good
[01:10] <xorpad> I liked the vivid recovery
 Wait... when did the recovery change?
[01:11] <xorpad> @UniversalSuperBox, when I switched to vivid, it was a featureless CWM fork instead of a really relevant set of features in a highly modded TWRP
[01:11] <xorpad> *switched fROM vivid
[01:11] <xorpad> to xenial
[01:12] <xorpad> the recovery in the rc/devel/stable channels is good
[01:12] <xorpad> this one is not anywhere near what that one was
 It changed?
 uh
[01:12] <xorpad> it's like they took out all the features and put in a nice UI and just shipped it
[01:12] <xorpad> yes
[01:12] <xorpad> it changed to something useless
[01:12] <xorpad> or nearly useless
 Where's the build from?
 flips through pages of system-image server
[01:13] <xorpad> Ubuntu Website
[01:13] <xorpad> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/xenial/daily-preinstalled/pending/
 Oh, good. That's not our fault.
[01:13] <xorpad> yeah, I didn't think you guys would purposely cripple your os
[01:14] <xorpad> that's why I've been complaining, because we need to do something about this
 Newest build of Xenial on our side is unfortunately still from July and only runs on the Nexus 5 ootb.
[01:14] <xorpad> well, we can fix that fairly easily
 wait
 I'm tired
 They're actually on the build artifacts at http://ci.ubports.com/
 Wait
 I'm tired
 There is no artifact for armhf rootfs
[01:16] <xorpad> what does that mean?
 xorpad, in a perfect world there'd be a rootfs ready and waiting on Jenkins for you to download
 Actually, in a perfect world it'd be on cdimage.ubports.com
[01:18] <xorpad> No in a perfect world it will be easy for me to make a better recovery than anything you've seen
[01:18] <xorpad> but in a not so perfect world it will take time
[01:21] <xorpad> the tarballs of the touch system are complete, i extracted the two i tried
[01:22] <xorpad> so I'm not exactly sure the issue
 Did you have adb during the boot?
[01:22] <xorpad> what I need, is logcat from the moment the kernel boots
[01:22] <xorpad> no
[01:22] <xorpad> i need that
 damn the thing
[01:23] <xorpad> it's literally the worst recovery ive seen... When you click the backup/restore option, the text makes a joke about how they tricked you and it's not gonna back anything up
[01:23] <xorpad> like, that's beyond ridiculous
 whoa
[01:24] <xorpad> yeah
[01:24] <xorpad> I'm not complaining over little stylistic changes here
[01:25] <xorpad> and i'm not trying to place blame either
[01:25] <xorpad> I just want to replace this with something awesome asap
 Have you put Xenial on your Nexus 5 yet?
 Or, y'know, one of them?
[01:26] <xorpad> no
 Would recommend. See which recovery is going on there.
[01:27] <xorpad> because there is no prebuilt images for it
[01:27] <xorpad> I have to create them myself
 https://wiki.ubports.com/wiki/How-to-install-Ubuntu-Touch-16.04
[01:27] <xorpad> this was just intended as a practice run to learn how the roms are built
[01:27] <xorpad> figured i should know how to do that
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/N4uCNWBl/file_1038.jpg
 This horribly blurry picture is what you should expect from the recovery.
[01:29] <xorpad> yeah, it's n nothing like that
[01:29] <xorpad> we'll have something better than that soon, i promise you
[01:29] <xorpad> just a question of how long it takes me
 I know that Canonical's Xenial image didn't run on the nexus 4, so you'll have bigger problems than the recovery
[01:29] <xorpad> Well, that's fine
 Should be able to just flash the old recovery.img and not deal with it.
[01:29] <xorpad> I'll make it work
[01:30] <xorpad> But that doesn't solve the problem
[01:34] <xorpad> try flashing that recovery if you have a device that can boot it
[01:34] <xorpad> or i'll take a picture for you
[01:34] <xorpad> actually i think the font is too small for a picture ro show you anyting
[01:43] <xorpad> well, this is a new experience, I never make a custom recovery before
[01:48] <xorpad> I was able to get the ramdisk image
[01:48] <xorpad> with make bootimage
[01:54] <tgBot> sengloong was added by: sengloong
[02:41] <xorpad> man... i'm gonna lose it on canonical
[02:42] <xorpad> like I'm gonna get in my friends plane, fly to them, show up at their offices, and flip out
[02:42] <xorpad> and by flip out i mean get violent
[02:43] <xorpad> I just got told off for complaining that this was done, and was told it was the act of an automated build systen that was left running... i don't think an automated build system would replace a product with one that makes a joke and tells you it won't work when you press a button that's considered basic functionality
[02:44] <xorpad> it's completely illogical, and the person kept saying I was wrong, and then saying he doesn't know what I'm talking about, back and fourth each statement contracting the one before it
[02:45] <xorpad> and apparently it's my fault for using ubuntu
[02:45] <xorpad> So I just won't anymore
[02:45] <xorpad> I'll make my own distro
[02:46] <xorpad> and I don't mean instead of this project, but they don't want to be associated at all with this project and I think their name should be taken off of it
[02:46] <xorpad> I mean, they officially said that no one cares and the project should die
[02:48] <xorpad> i've never heard of open source developers who care so little about the projects they work on or they are associated with
[02:48] <xorpad> it's insane
[02:49] <xorpad> Like i'm so upset right now
[02:49] <xorpad> Because of their response to this nonsense and immediate rush to blame me and unports for everything
[02:50] <xorpad> I think ubports should stay the name after that conversation i just had
[02:50] <xorpad> but it's not my call
 https://puri.sm/shop/librem-5/
[03:00] <xorpad> security based phone reliant on proprietary closed source driver blobs
[03:00] <xorpad> that's a joke
[03:00] <xorpad> any hacker would tell you that's a stupid idea
 i will buy that Phone
[03:03] <xorpad> I won't, I can put linux on a rapsberry pi with a gsm module, throw a case on it that has a space for the standard rpi touch screes, why do i need to pay someone to make me a secure phone?
[03:03] <xorpad> like lots of people make linux based phones from raspberry pi's now
[03:04] <xorpad> there's nice cases to put them in so they look professional
 Purism Librem 5 , you should buy it too
 I could but I'd rather work on this project
 Welcome @Snaprack and @sengloong
 Hey @Xorpad . Hopefully you have realized, that this community is different and there is a lot of support to each other.
[05:29] <xorpad> @bastos777 that's why I'm still in this channel, but have compromised like half their network
[05:29] <xorpad> lulz
[05:29] <xorpad> they try to fuck us over, so I'm fucking them over
 And what I read, all the core devs are appreciating that you are on board.
[05:30] <xorpad> I'm gonna talk to someone at cannonical management before I do anything though
[05:31] <xorpad> if they don't figure out who purposely messed up the android compatible builds and reprimand them, well I'll mess with them hard
[05:32] <xorpad> Like, someone purposely sabotaged the code we need to make 16.04 viable on all devices
[05:32] <xorpad> and they will pay
[05:32] <bshah> do you realize that Ubuntu touch is marked as out of support by canonical?
[05:33] <xorpad> Hopefully management takes my side, and this is between me and them, I will make it clear i'm acting alone
[05:33] <xorpad> bshah, yeah but they purposely made it a lot harder to get 16.04 working
[05:33] <bshah> xorpad: for instance?
[05:34] <xorpad> someone went to the effort of making the released recoveries for the next builds 1) not work at all and 2) make jokes about how the recovery is refusing to do what we tell it to
 Canonical out of my opinion has tried it best but failed. This can happen. Why to blame them about there failure?
[05:34] <xorpad> the text output when you click backup/restore in the new recovery they replaced the old one with, just say Haha, we're not gonna back anything up, and then do nothing
[05:35] <xorpad> and they removed files from their build tree like the fstab so that we can't boot the packages they are releasing
[05:35] <xorpad> and the mount command
[05:35] <xorpad> they made it impossible to mount the partitons
[05:35] <bshah> xorpad: can you point me to change?
[05:36] <xorpad> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/xenial/daily-preinstalled/current/
[05:36] <bshah> ?
[05:36] <xorpad> all those images are designed to not work
[05:36] <bshah> xorpad: how?
[05:37] <bshah> Please fucking stop making allegations without any proof that someone made them not working intentionally
[05:37] <xorpad> the recovery can't mount filesystem to fix it, and the fstab is gone so the kernel can't either, and the recovery doesn't do anyting
[05:37] <xorpad> My proof is that there is no reason other than making this stuff not work on android devices for swapping out the custom recovery with one that does nothing
[05:38] <xorpad> the mount binary and fstab are missing, so the thing boots and the crashes when it can't mount any paritions
[05:38] <xorpad> and then it just starts bootlooping
 We had the ability to fork and furthermore there are some former canonical devs with us. On top there is also Alan pope and simon quingly AFAIK current cannonical devs with us. I think together with all the great people around  - including  you- there is a good chance to succeed without the need to  blame canonical.
[05:39] <xorpad> And the recovery does nothing, all the stuff it used to do is gone, it used to be TWRP with features added, now it's CWM with features removed
[05:40] <xorpad> I don't accept their explaination that an automated build system for something they don't support all of a sudden replaced the recovery with a non-functioning one not at all related to the one that was there
[05:41] <xorpad> Someone did it out of spite
[05:41] <bshah> dude
[05:41] <bshah> you need to fucking stop
[05:41] <xorpad> they did this so we can't use their code anymore
[05:42] <xorpad> they said the project should just die when i asked them about it
 xorpad that's enough now. Your entitled to your opinions but this isn't the place for this discussion.
[05:42] <xorpad> Okay, sure
[05:42] <xorpad> Ill stop talking about it
[05:42] <xorpad> I just wish you guys believed me
[05:44] <xorpad> i'm done talking and i'm too upset to code so i'm gonna go for a walk
 It is not a question of believing. This is what we have and we should accept it as it is. All the power we have should go in support not in complaints...
[05:47] <bshah> I am not even sure wht the hell this fuss is about
[05:47] <bshah> I just checked the prebuilt recovery
[05:47] <bshah> and there is a mount
[05:47] <bshah> % ls -la sbin/mount
[05:47] <bshah> lrwxrwxrwx 1 bshah users 7 Oct  9 11:14 sbin/mount -> busybox
[05:47] <bshah> like seriousl?
[05:48] <xorpad> I'm done talking, you told me to shut up so i'm not saying any more about it
[05:48] <bshah> I am pointing you to facts
[05:48] <bshah> but yeah, let's stop talking
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> cool it guys
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> https://puri.sm/shop/librem-5/
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> looks like their almost there
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 @wayneoutthere I enjoy your audiocasts :)
 @xorpad, I agree .. The recovery has never worked and not useful .. Why can't we adopt twrp?
 @andreasimonetti, Because twrp does not know how to install our OTA
 Plus it makes no sense starting to work on all corners at the same time. Recovery is not on our urgent list at the moment. It may come there one day of course.
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 @Flohack How many developers are currently working with UBports?
 @samitormanen, Hard to say. There is a bunch of 5-10 core and regular developers, and then a lot of people doing occasional contributions.
 Ok. Thanks!
 Remember that there were about 100 Canonicals workinf nearly all fulltime on this
[08:52] <tgBot> Bebehero was added by: Bebehero
 @popescu_sorin, I got one of those. It is fine
 😊
 Interesting conversation
 @Flohack, If it needs to be held together with string to make it work at the moment, that is fine. If beautifully crafted vanadium brackets replace the string at a later date, that is also fine
 Is there any way to download the Ubuntu SDK?
 you can add the PPA and then install the SDK
 Ya even with the PPA it doesn't seem to be available anymore
 Oh, the package changed names
 I should test it
 I have a virtual machine with the SDK configured
 do you want the link?
 Is canonical still going to be updating it or did they drop it alongside ubuntu touch?
 I think I've got it :)
 https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9PnbdpLgp86LWNYQ0JOcnNiTVE
 it has the SDK updated on september
 SDK + Images
 danke :)
 Going to try to compile tdesktop for ubuntu touch
 user: ubucon, password: ubucon
 the client that ships with ubuntu touch is too old
 all the info => https://forums.ubports.com/post/4334
 @samzn, wut? triggered
 tdesktop works surprisingly well on phones
 it's very responsive
 did you use a prebuilt?
 they are all x86
 I did previously compile it when I had a nvidia housefire tablet
 @Xorpad I'm not a developer, and you might even find that Nickels of Cannon purposely sabotaged the code, and that they failed us on purpose and that they are in bed with Microsoft, etc, etc.  However, it's my opinion that you should take all that energy and dedicate it to focusing laser-sharp on making the code clean, open, free, and better for guys like me who don't care what Canonical does and wants a project that will be here for my daughter
[12:12] <tgBot> as many devices as possible.  So, instead of spending time and money and energy flying to give Shuttleworth the middle finger or your opinion (he won't care anyway probably since his decision is made) just help us here.  We need your help.  You have skills.  Let's rock.  Let's roll.
 @wayneoutthere, And this is not about UBports :P
 It is. Completely agree @wayneoutthere !
 @Lorxu, that's true again!  I should be in the OT group but... actually I will defend myself here and say that it is 'on topic' but not focused enoguh perhaps.  Opinion rants maybe not best here...
 I think this is very much on topic. Encouraging ourselfes to support ubports even if Cannonicle has moved out is important and on topic.
 @Christopher, Another fan...props to Wayne and Joe
 For me it is good to know, that even if someone leaves the community do not reduce emphasis. So @wayneoutthere is encouraging me personally to further support UBports...
 @bastos777, +1
 So I think the Audiocast and Youtube Live update is super important to the health and longevity of the UBports project.  In my opinion Canonical had just as much a PR problem as anything else.  I saw years of bad history and vocal critics in the launchpad bugs area (Network Manager and VPN) that brough down the entire feel of the project and I believe led to its demise.  I was super upset with Mark for not standing up and showing off the devices at
[12:35] <tgBot> final (mobile?) conference. So my N5 is working now, its awesome and I'm super excited.  I think positivity and open communication while managing expectations is paramount.
 @wayneoutthere, Summary please
 @Crash_Burn, thanks :)
 Ubuntu Touch changing channels and boot on Fairphone 2
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IO4nQxxbcs
 changed fro stable to release candidate
 7-8 min in total, download, install, boot. quite smooth
 not brave enough to try devel for now
 I'm using it daily on my hammerhead for a while :)
 n5?
 what is hammerhead? :D
 nexus 5
 It is the Nexus 5
 @popescu_sorin, Nexus 5 :3
 Neeeeexus!
 cool :>
 6p is angler
 (Sticker, 357x512) https://irc.ubports.com/cwPNfWQH/file_1039.webp
 uh.. group stickers?
 And all of the codenames are annoying. -_-
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 just saw them in telegram desktop
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 and don't remember installing them :D
 Shush, bot! You're not a part of this!
 @UniversalSuperBox, Yes ;_;
 @popescu_sorin, Nope, they're set by the group
 My phone's codename is mido
 cool :D
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/XVxlg04k/file_1040.webp
 of course
 Since the last update to OTA 2 I cant reach any wifi signal anymore on my Nexus 5. Also the Option to choose a wifi or to turn it off and on is gone. What can I do?
 @Ben, That's really strange. Has it come back after a reboot?
 How you guys install Ubuntu Touch though?
 Through custom recoveries?
 @Zephoro, https://ubports.com/get-ubuntu-touch lists our supported devices and install instructions
 wait
 No :( I have reboot it several times but nothing changed :(
 Link fixed
 I think the ubports team should set a long term restructuring goal for the project
 @samzn, Such as...?
 @Ben, Strange. Has it been through a lot of upgrade cycles?
 I don't think it's viable for the long goal to keep developing over the ubuntu touch base away from the main ubuntu branch, I'm already having issues setting up the ubuntu sdk to develop apps
 it's too much to support for a small team
 Well, the 16.04 dream is still coming.
 There is a lot on top of Ubuntu to maintain between pieces like content-hub and the UITK. Hopefully we'll be able to bring these more in line.
 @UniversalSuperBox, Yeah thats really strange. It came some days after the OTA 2 update. And there were not so much updates.
 Should I reinstall it?
 @Ben, @Flohack any idea how we'd get the wi-fi indicator back up and running in this case?
 UB Touch looks satisfying
 A perfect alternative to Android in my perspective
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/ikj21tO0/file_1042.jpg
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/t34v0Q6f/file_1044.jpg
 @Ben, Are the settings missing from the System Settings app as well?
 Yes
 I didn't scroll up
 @Ben, Do you have UT Tweak Tool installed by any chance?
 @UniversalSuperBox, Yes
 @Ben, Could you clear the data of System Settings then reboot/
 (Photo, 540x960) https://irc.ubports.com/nFBGrmqg/file_1046.jpg
 Hey, it works
 (Photo, 960x540) https://irc.ubports.com/lfiM00oQ/file_1048.jpg
 Wireshark running on the aquaris 4.5
 So I cleared the data of the system settings and still no wifi connection available
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/ijn0MRpX/file_1050.jpg
 @Ben, Is Wi-Fi address missing from Settings - About?
 @Dominik, That transmission is working good without any issues? Could you please send an screenshot of Firefox?
 I cant connect to any wifi. The wifi Signals are saved, but I have no option to connect or to turn on the wifi
[13:21] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> Ben can you send screen image with settings app opened to see if there is also missing WiFi
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/CPxfCZfR/file_1052.jpg
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/2y346E6o/file_1054.jpg
 @UniversalSuperBox, The indicators have some weird locking issue sometimes. I killed all of my radio stuff on E5 one time leaving the plane by toggling too quickly on the ariplane mode and other switches. Then, I had no radio networks anymore. Turned out there was a stale lockfile somewhere. This could be the reason here too
 @Dominik, Nice!
 @Dominik, Have you followed any guide to install those apps?
 @LarreaMikel, No. You only need the terminal app. 1) create a libertine container 2) install the app with libertine-container-manager or apt 3) profit.
[13:30] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> Ben try to switch on airplane mode for 3 min
 @LarreaMikel, Although for live capture, the libertine confinement does prohibit opening the process. I circumvent this by having tcpdump on the writeable rootfs and opening the pcap in parallel in wireshark.
 @malditobastardo, Transmission works ok, firefox is slow as a slow loris 😊
 @Milan Korecky, Ok I will try it :)
 (Photo, 540x960) https://irc.ubports.com/9ZCn7Fd4/file_1056.jpg
 (Photo, 540x960) https://irc.ubports.com/zl0Nn1cw/file_1058.jpg
 As you can see, even the Firefox Addon NoScript works fine. Privacy 👌
 Cool 👍
 @Dominik, Thank you sir. You rocks. I may give it a try to libertine again. Last time I tried Firefox was crashing when opening 😿
 (Photo, 540x960) https://irc.ubports.com/6260h5RA/file_1060.jpg
 @Dominik, no need of firegrab for the touch interaction ?
 @malditobastardo, I have this issue with chromium-browser. Firefox opens, but today there was a warning about a write error for config files.
 well, if we can get a reliable firefox (or chromium) running we can drop the work on the custom browser ;)
 @arudy, Firegrab? Yeah, the UI interaction by touch makes it less usable. Small buttons, no right click.
 @rogieroudshoorn, +1
 Having one of both working would be Amazing
 Qupzilla as alternative maybe?
 @rogieroudshoorn, Loading a website on my aquaris 4.5 does take patience 😁 There would be a lot of work for the UI and speed optimization.
 "Falkon"
 Uau, Transmision 😱
 I understand. I am running in a N5 that's maybe I can't get Firefox working
 But yes, firefox and its addons are definitively a nice option when a site is unusable due to ads and popups in the standard browser.
 @Dominik, Is the OSK working when using xterm?
 @Guido, No. But my 10€ bluetooth keyboard does
 Sure. As far as I remember, you could install mate terminal. There, the OSK is working.
 Just FYI! ☺️
 I installed xterm, because in libertine the environment changes depending on the access (i.e. libertine-container-manager exec bash, libertine-launch bash and xterm)
 @Guido, Yes, that is correct. Gnome terminal too. It just takes a little more space due to the dependencies
 What do you think is a must have for kind of a daily use of the desktop apps?
 @Dominik, This might be due to the missing graphics hardware acceleration in libertine, right?
 @malditobastardo, The desktop apps scope!! It is not yet in the open store. And without it, launching apps is cumbersome (i couldnt find how)!
 The app scope should be also installable via apt.
 I see people installing libre office and gimp but... Having Firefox is great but still a pain to use it
 Haha true
 @Guido, I don't know. The Chromium based standard browser profits from a lot of googles optimizations. Firefox is slow on all (UT, android, Ubuntu, Win10) my devices.
 We should wait for Xenial to have some new features...
 @Milan Korecky, Still the same problem :(
 @malditobastardo, When you install gimp and download an image from the web browser app, it shows you an icon "open in gimp"
 Via the content hub thingy
 @Dominik, Interesting
 @nfsprodriver, @UniversalSuperBox can we put that in a wiki?
 @Dominik, Could be but, on Android, it is no problem to watch a youtube video in the firefox browser, on the UT custom browser, it is also no problem, but in libertine, it is hardly possible. I thought this is because of the missing hardware acceleration. Maybe, I'm wrong.
 @Dominik, It's already there.
 https://wiki.ubports.com/wiki/Libertine%3A-install-and-manage-desktop-applications
 There are already old articles the internet how to install libertine with some tweaks. A german site sth. with Baustelle... I search the link later.
 👍
 @Guido, Indeed
 We may copy thus guides, but I think after move to Xenial.
 @Guido, No. "To display and launch applications with Libertine you need the Desktop Apps Scope which is available in the Canonical App Store."
 The app store will close at the end of the year..
 In Xenial staging the libertine apps are shown in the new unity8 app drawer so we may not need the scope.
 @Dominik, I've misunderstood. I thought you meant the how-to. I would prefer to have the Desktop App Scope in the Openstore rather in the wiki.
 @nfsprodriver, That sounds lovely!
 @nfsprodriver, Cool!
 @Guido, Yes, software in the wiki is not the preferred way. Its just the wrong app store (canonicle store vs openstore)
 @Dominik, 👍I totally agree. I hope that someone moves it to the openstore before the end of the year and before we get xenial.
[14:04] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @Ben, Last idea from my side, what about trying switching the channels
 hi, how can I copy as 5gb or more file to sdcard?
 what's the filesystem of the sd?
 it's format by Ubuntu Touch.
 A nice trick is to have a sd card with two partitions. The first one is FAT, so that UT can automount it. For storing photos and videos from the camera app. The second partition however is EXT4. Mount it on /mnt/sdcardextension (or similar), then bind mount a folder on the ext4 partition on /home/phablet/.cache/libertine-container. Do so, BEFORE creating any libertine container. Finally! All your libertine stuff will no longer take space of the intern
[14:08] <tgBot> memory 😀
 @Dominik, (The automounter will raise an error for not being able to mount the 2nd partition. Ignore it.)
 @Milan Korecky, The problem is, that I need Internet connection for that, but I dont have it :(
 Could it be an option with the wireless Display option? Because this was the last thing I did with the Internet connection. And also the Button for the wireless display is not able to be turn off or on
 To all the Firefox fans: I use it myself on the desktop, but on mobile Chromium is much faster plus they optiimzed it for ARM, which i snot happening to Firefox that much. I think we should aim for speed of loading pages and navigation, even if Firefox has some interesting features
 agreed, we shouldn't spend time optimizing browsers but make available what we can (and use the best applicable)
 (Photo, 960x540) https://irc.ubports.com/NxG1n5A0/file_1062.jpg
 Eclipse. Just "apt install eclipse" inside a libertine shell, then touch the eclipse icon on the desktop scope and code. (Then uninstall eclipse and burn the container, because eclipse.)
 Notice the partial emoji support 😁
[14:24] <tgBot> pasci2 was added by: pasci2
 I'm getting more and more curious how well http://github.com/Pext/Pext could run under Ubuntu Touch
 I imagine it may do too weird unconfined things, then again, it may work with libertine, hmm
 I don't have a device to try it on anymore
 @Lorxu, Ill give it a minute and copy the apt-get line from the readme...
[14:34] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @Ben, I thought You have mobile data, I am sorry, than Iet us ask if there is some command we could try in the terminal @UniversalSuperBox
 I wish I thought of testing it in Libertine myself before I reflashed my tablet because needing some Android apps
 @Milan Korecky, Yeah I dont have mobile data on my Nexus 5. I just use the Internet via wifi
 Can we somehow change hotspot dhcp ip pool? It gives now 10.x.x.x ip's to clients.. I want it to be 192.168.x.x
[14:46] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @Flohack is there a way how we could help @Ben wwith command line to enable the Wifi? Something like ifconfig wlan0 up
 @Milan Korecky, Dont think anything like this will solve the problem, if it does not work after reboot.
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/qIvmbfgU/file_1064.jpg
 What I said. This is not a problem of ifconfig, unfortunately. Seems disabled, it needs to be checked in the dmesg maybe
 @Ben, ifconfig -a | grep wlan
 ?
 My interface sometimes gets wlan1
 @Lorxu, Its complicated. Dependencies too old.
 @Dominik, Aww :(
 Thanks for trying though
 I really appreciate it
 The container version of libgit2 is too old 🙄. One could fix that probably, with enough time that is.
 @Lorxu, Welcome 😊
 One day I will see Pext run on Ubuntu Touch :P
 Gents, any suggestion to help this guy to flash Ubport on a nexus 4 ? https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=73966660&postcount=6 (you can post here and i'll reply to him)
 @Lorxu, The only thing I'm sad about is that making the app, developed on Fedora, run on Ubuntu was easiest, then macOS, now Windows (port may be done), but still not Ubuntu Touch
 Ubuntu to Ubuntu Touch is a surprisingly big difference
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/dzQ8NDWF/file_1066.jpg
 @Lorxu, How's that for a note, @wayneoutthere, Linux dev sad that porting Ubuntu app to macOS and Windows is easier than Ubuntu Touch? :P
 @Dominik, hej domenic can you post your  cat ~/.local/share/libertine/ContainersConfig.json file
 @Lorxu, I trust the UBports team to improve this situation though
 Hi ! I'm running OTA-1 on my FP2, I tryed to update to OTA-2. Once download completed, it asks and reboot to recovery, then I'm on TWRP and I don't know how to continue the process... Is the UBPorts Recovery needed, or possible with TWRP?
 @delijati, see PM
 @Lorxu, That's mostly because the current base is so old. that could get better with Xenial. Of course, if you want a mobile optimized UI a port of an App is much work
 (Photo, 960x540) https://irc.ubports.com/37S3DBUM/file_1068.jpg
 Commander Keen running in dosbox 😁
 @olisax, This is strange. I had to fastboot the ubports recovery before installing UT the first time. Than TWRP was deleted. Do you have a dual boot system running?
 @Dominik, Mhanz
 @olisax : Have you made a backup before upgrading? I guess not. But if so re-install completely
 @bastos777, Yes, I'm running LineageOS as a daily driver and UbuntuTouch as secondary OS, and on purpose I re-installed TWRP to be able to switch from one to the other
 @JBBgameich, Well, and a lack of documentation, at least in the Canonical days
 @bastos777, I did a Nandroid backup of all OS (Lineage/UbuntuTouch/SailfishOS and even B2G). If the UBPort recovery is mandatory needed for OTA upgrade, I can re-flash it temporaly, no problem 😊
 @DeadSquirreI01, Acronym  Definition … MHANZ  Morgan Horse Association of New Zealand … ? ^^
 @olisax, Our recovery is required.
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/LaH8nudu/file_1070.jpg
 Does PPSSPP - running natively on Mir - count?  😆
 @UniversalSuperBox, Ok perfect ! Now it explains the behaviour, and I know what to do next: reflash the UBPort recovery. Thank you 😃
 @Dominik, Nhop
 @DeadSquirreI01, Who is Niels-Henning Ørsted Pedersen?
 @Dominik, 🤔
 @sverzegnassi, That is pretty cool. Now we need an external GPU to wholefully enjoy video games on the go.
 starts crowdfunder for first phone with Intel i5 CPU and Thunderbolt
 (Photo, 1000x508) https://irc.ubports.com/1bgw31WT/file_1072.jpg The Future
 @Dominik, What could go wrong?
 @UniversalSuperBox, Maybe it couldn't run Crysis...
 @Dominik, I've been testing with Lemmings only (I own the UMD) and runs mostly at constant 30FPS on the BQ E5. I tried to create a .click package of the version available in the Ubuntu repository, but still needs to be tweaked (i.e. it creates useless windows, rather than running in single window mode)
 @sverzegnassi, That would make a fine addition to the app store collection.
 That's the plan indeed! 🙂
 So now I have to resist the urge to play Patapon while on the go?
 Truly you are a cruel man.
 SO YOU CAN PLAY PATAPON ON UBPORTS?
 can you connect a bt gamepad tho?
 @olisax, LineageOS? 😂
 That's meh
 @vanyasem, Haven't tested. I only have XBox 360 controllers at home 😆
 @vanyasem, The Steam Controller did not work out of the box (OTG USB adapter). Didn't try further. … The PS4-Controller did pair just fine with bluetooth (hold share button while turning on).
 Steam controlles uses Valve's proprietary low-latency modification of bluetooth
 But well, its recognized as a gamecontroller, not a HID.
 @vanyasem, and OTG mode defaults to mouse control
 I have one as well :P
 @vanyasem, No, I pluggen in the receptor in the USB slot
 Fwd from vanyasem: and OTG mode defaults to mouse control
 connect it to any PC that doesn't have steam and it will control your mouse and arrow keys
 @vanyasem, Oh, okay :(
 @vanyasem, and the only way to change that is to install steam, so it controls the gamepad
 you could compile steam for ubports in theory... it it was not proprietary
 @vanyasem, Just tried, it did not :-/ (Desktop Ubuntu). Do I need udev rules or such?
 you may need to convigure udev rules if you've never installed steam on that machine
 @vanyasem, Nevermind, steam is installed. And OT. Thanks though :)
 you can OT freely in our off-top chat @UBports_OT
[15:49] <tgBot> <Gleb Lee> @Dominik, Great! Thanks for posting. Hope, FF 57 with theming and UI tweaks will be good to use as a second/daily browser.
 @Gleb Lee, Also, if you have a more niche use case, as tamper data or hackbar (FF addons) for playing around with requests. Ubuntu Touch has much potential of becoming a useful pentesting tool.
 Stop the Press! This just in!  SIP software breakthroughs, Librem5, and other important news from the Ubuntu Touch News Desk! … https://soundcloud.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch-news-desk-171009
 Pop the stress!
 @exar_kun, That I can do.
 :D
 No, it's more of a :(
 does telegram really need to notify me when people pin things aaaaa
 @UniversalSuperBox, Oh no
 😂😂😂
 @Lyokanthrope, i think you can disable it in the settings
 Ooh I can
 @Ern_st, I would suggest trying the ubports-installer.
 @Lyokanthrope, Yes, it does!you are hereby notified
 @wayneoutthere, XDD
 @Lyokanthrope, (nice profile pic btw!)
 @ZephyrArcturus, Thanks
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/0f95c33q/file_1073.webp
 @wayneoutthere, ahahah
 @NikosChat, I emphase it thanks.
 @wayneoutthere, You could have an opt in news channel for this you know
 @wayneoutthere damn... now I am three audiocast behind. So busy these days. Hopefully this weekend I will binge listen all these.
 https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2017/10/9/16446280/microsoft-finally-admits-windows-phone-is-dead
 One competitor is gone 😁😁
 Or was it a competitor idk
 I would like to join the development, but i have no idea where to start. … I have a lot experience in C/C++, D, JS, TS,... and bare-metal-embedded-programming. I‘m a Ubuntu-user since 7 years, but I have no idea how to build my own kernel nor anything that goes deeper than basic shell-scripts. I once tried to write a driver for linux on raspberry-pi, but failed and gave up. I know how to use gdb and openocd on simple applications. Is this knowledg
 Welcome, some core app are missing maintainers see with @Flohack  and there are also some bug requiring help https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues,  basically where you feel confident
 Mister N4 @way
 Mister N4 @wayneoutthere , can you confirm this ?  https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/282
[18:34] <tgBot> mcdog was added by: mcdog
 hey guys, the images on https://ubports.com/page/ubuntu-fairphone-2 are 8 mb big. you might want to scale them down.
 is this the right place to report or should I use the contact form?
 here or maybe here https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues
 At the moment I do not own one of the supported devices, which one should I buy for development? Somme weeks ago I ordered the Fairphone 2, but they canceled the order.
 If there's a Nexus 5 available near you, I'd pick one up
 LG Nexus 5X (5.2", 32GB, 12.3MP, Anthrazit) is available
 The 5X isn't the same as the 5
 missing Slimport :P
 and it doesnt selfdestruct after 6 months
 `build succeeded, 137 warnings.` … No problems here.
 Nexus 5 isn’t available!
 raphael i think Bq still sells some refurbished Ubuntu Tablets https://store.bq.com/en/aquaris-m10-fhd-ubuntu
 at least Aquaris M10 FHD had ubuntu 16.04 with snaps "working"
 7-8 months ago, can't remember
 working as in loading and not able to run anything :P
 but still :> should be supported moving forward
 maybe.. i think.. don;'t know
 @UniversalSuperBox What do you meen with "now problems here"?
 @UniversalSuperBox, Sphinx is hard
 @raphael seems that nexus 5 and the one+ one are the cheapest and most supported used core devices you could get. Lucky me , I have a fp2 and more than happy.
 @Flohack, How much RAM memory has Nexus 5?
 @samzn, false :P
 I have mine for 1.5 years already
 @x00rh, 2 gb
 @x00rh, But My E5 has only 1GB RAM
 @raphael, Maybe you even want to join my telegram dev group ^^
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/g7nu8pFl/file_1075.jpg
 wow
 Wonder if Ubuntu touch will be good on it??
 Ben Is your problem solved? If not, have you tried to type this in the command line, it worked for me : rm .config/connectivity-service/config.ini.lock
 @bluzeoranger, 2 minutes later...
 Librem 5 "Raised Percent : 100.56%" 😁👍
 Yeah!
 @bluzeoranger, It cannot work out of the box, they dont use the low-level Android stack, and we need smth totally new. So expect nothing "good" at the beginning ;)
 Has somebody from ubports backed for at least the developer board? Out of personal motivation or curiosity?
 @Flohack, I'm just hype no more Google crap
 (Photo, 618x346) https://irc.ubports.com/kWV3PvbA/file_1077.jpg
 @Dominik, Most of us already have a stack of phones and a stack of developer boards.
 Yeah Ok we saw it!
 @Flohack, Oops missed it.
 Sorry for the spam
 Dont hype so much now, you need your hype for Jan 2019 ^^
 Unable to contain the excitement.
 A year and two months from now you can be excited
 For now, let's make the best mobile OS the world has ever seen
 @UniversalSuperBox, I can wait. But the development boards are shipping right?
 I ordered a full device and will wait in calm until Jan 2019
 @pavi4de, In eight months.
 Pure Debian ❤️ 🌿 goodness
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/UbTDCDSG/file_1079.jpg
 Anyway, back to work
 @UniversalSuperBox, Ubports and Canonicle already accomplished this for my part ☺️
 @Dominik, ❤️
 Well I think we can keep the Matrix hype :D
 @PhoenixLandPirate, Yay !
 jeay, viva Librem 5 !!
 i have spend them 20 Dollares too :)
 @Montefrio, Thanks a lot, its people like you who lead the crowdfunding to success. 😎
 thx
 @UniversalSuperBox, 👌
 @Montefrio, Orco dio
 @UniversalSuperBox, It will be possible in the future run linux apps on the phone?
 @Mathox, There was a discussion earlier about people doing exactly that.
 @Mathox, Define what is a Linux app for you ^^
 With screenshots.
 Its unusable but it works now already
 For example pidgin...
 @UniversalSuperBox, Sorry, l didn`t see it.
 use "libertine" it works
 + "libertine scope" from the ubuntu store
 @Mathox, Just scroll upwards 😁
[21:02] <ubports_bot> Project daily-bacon build #295: SUCCESS in 11 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-bacon/295/
[21:03] <ubports_bot> Project ota-push build #1139: SUCCESS in 1 min 1 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/1139/
 (Photo, 540x960) https://irc.ubports.com/Be2s4xWc/file_1081.jpg
 On screen keyboard pops up. So it should be usable even without physical mouse and keyboard
 Menus are small. (Tiny hands are of advantage)
 @malditobastardo, Depending on who you are, Zenmap is helpful
 (Photo, 540x960) https://irc.ubports.com/ZAAHIK9f/file_1083.jpg
 @Dominik, Wowww wich is the name of the app to use it?
 @Dominik, LOL you masked out 192.168 addies? why 😆
 @Flohack, Paranoia? ;D
 ^^
 @Flohack, yeah why?
 They are not public sooo
 @Mathox, Just good old regular Zenmap. Use Libertine to use it.
 @Flohack, You assume that the masked out ones are IPs
 @Dominik, Thanks!
 ^^ ok
 @Dominik, 😺 good point indeed. I can see you are going deep with desktop apps
 I may give it a try to libertine tomorrow again and see what happens
 (Photo, 540x960) https://irc.ubports.com/Ln5pzlop/file_1085.jpg UBports non-intrusive HTTP(S) port scan
 And wire shark is working good now right ?
 Hmmm
 I can see infinite possibilities here with the containers
 With snaps this will be wonderful
 @malditobastardo, I can capture bluetooth, hurray. But I can't grant the libertine app the rights for packet capture on wlan0. Due to app confinement maybe :(
 @Dominik, Yeah. Understandable 😿
 tcpdump on the rootfs runs fine, even as non-root user (phablet)
 @Dominik, For anybody trying this: "ssh localhost" is your friend.
 @malditobastardo, Definitively. I can imagine that with a more reliable OSK and some kind of "magnification glass" function for precise clicking (like the text cursor placement on iphones), it can become quite usable even for non-adapted desktop apps on phones. Oh yeah, and touch-and-hold to right click is missing.
 tg test
 tg test
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/YAgKiKeU/file_1087.jpg Hmm. I'm in fastboot and can see phone. But app cant see it😔
 tg test
 @nfsprodriver, wa chu duing?
 API tests. No worries, they're over for now...
 cool :D
 (Sticker, 280x512) https://irc.ubports.com/bDAk23RR/file_1088.webp
 (Sticker, 448x512) https://irc.ubports.com/c9S5I0CN/file_1089.webp
 Do you know in which device folder the ubuntu touch image are pushed to, during a flash ?
 @Dominik, FYI: You can increase the menu size by editing ~/.local/share/libertine-container/user-data/my-container/.Xdefaults and adding  … Xft.dpi: 175 (adjust number as you like) (more details on https://forum.xda-developers.com/ubuntu-touch/help/easier-xmir-setup-t3303981)
 @Guido, Nice, thank you!
 @Dominik, This is exactly the feature I would like to have, besides an OSK working for Qt and Gtk Apps. ☺️
 (Photo, 960x540) https://irc.ubports.com/0Djfhka0/file_1091.jpg VLC - Big Buck Bunny 480p
 Does run with heavy frame drop. Probably because of the missing hardware acceleration.
 You can even open the ubports community update via the youtube URL as a stream. You can hear the voices, but the video freezes after Marius face.
 Best time for it to freeze, I reckon
 @UniversalSuperBox, :3
 Qt 5.10 Beta Released
 https://wiki.qt.io/New_Features_in_Qt_5.10
 Are there any Ports available for the asus tf701t ? :) or does anyone want to try to port on this tablet :)
 Nop no port, depends do you have some tablet to share with potential delopper ^^ ?
 I have 3 of them :)
 If anyone want to make a port I will support him with the tablet :)
 hi, i have just flashed my Nexus 4 with Utouch -devel Channel 15.04 - it is comes with Mir or Wayland?
 Mir
 ok
 i have U-Touch used til Februar 2017
 and now is it faster and better than befor
 Thx
 and i have install the systemwide Ublock :)
 its cool
 Android Linage 14.1 sucks to much Battery
 and i use only telegram
 will the Telegram engine updated in the future?
 i mean the Telegram App for channel 15.04
[23:28] <xorpad> where is the source for the ubuntu touch recovery used in the vivid releases?
 xorpad, is that you who had issues with kernel conf being altered (overwritten) during build process?
 i can't remember exactly :З
[23:32] <xorpad> vanyasem: No i'm the one who freaked out a day ago over and rage-afk'd
[23:33] <xorpad> (i've calmed down)
 @Ben, You nailled me :)
 @J, enjoy!  we'll try to slow down... but seems like lots going on these days so might be hard ;)
 @toxip, go figure.
[23:59] <tgBot> mapaem was added by: mapaem
 @UniversalSuperBox, well said buddy