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[03:58] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:58] <ducasse> good morning
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> hey hey ducasse
[05:59] <ducasse> \o lotuspsychje
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> pretty silent in main
[06:02] <ducasse> i see that. it will pick up in a couple of hours...
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: https://puri.sm/shop/librem-5/
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> 1.3 lol
[06:22] <ducasse> how long left?
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> 14 days
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> looks like thats gonna b a winner
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> https://pureos.net/
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> gnome3 & wayland huh..
[06:25] <ducasse> hope so, i'd love to see them actually 'get born'
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> yeah me too
[06:28] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> hey lordievader
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> how are you?
[06:31] <lordievader> Doing good here
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> https://puri.sm/posts/tag/pureos/page/2/
[06:32] <lordievader> How are you
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> interesting stuff
[06:32] <ducasse> morning lordievader
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> im fine lordievader new workweek here
[06:32] <ducasse> started new job yet?
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: yep last week
[06:34] <lordievader> lotuspsychje: indeed
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> fantastic hours
[06:34] <lordievader> Time for coffee
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> enjoy lordievader
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> Say goodbye to proprietary BIOSes, say hello to coreboot
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:36] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: how do you like it so far?
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> https://www.coreboot.org/
[06:36] <ducasse> yeah, if coreboot would actually be useful :)
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> very nice ducasse their friendly, less hours, more pvt time
[06:37] <ducasse> good cow-orkers?
[06:37] <lordievader> Thanks
[06:38] <lordievader> Nice strong coffee
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> yeah ducasse were only with 4
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> small restaurant
[06:38]  * ducasse finds the biscuits
[06:38]  * lotuspsychje always drinks with milk & sugar
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> otherwise its like patatoes without salt
[06:39] <ducasse> can't drink coffee myself, stick to tea or coke for my caffeine
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> aha
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> speaking of..going to breakfast too
[06:40] <ducasse> enjoy, lotuspsychje
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> tnx :p
[06:40] <jink> 'sup, kids?
[06:41] <ducasse> \o
[06:49] <ducasse> lordievader: do you know of any lossless audio formats that are better than flac?
[06:49] <ducasse> 'better' as in 'more space-saving', for example
[07:01] <jink> http://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=Lossless_comparison
[07:04] <ducasse> interesting - thanks.
[07:18] <lordievader> ducasse: I usually rip in flac. Haven't really looked at other formats.
[07:18] <lordievader> It is not like space is really an issue for me.
[07:22] <ducasse> it isn't for me either, really, i was mostly just wondering what was best supported etc.
[07:24] <ducasse> and now i have a fair idea, thanks to jink and that excellent pointer :)
[07:29] <jink> :P
[12:23] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:50] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[14:03] <BluesKaj> hey pauljw
[14:07] <pauljw> hi BluesKaj :)
[14:08] <BluesKaj> I see the Cheifs are 5-0 :)
[14:09] <pauljw> really, that's awesome.  Greenbay fan here, good game yesterday.
[14:10] <BluesKaj> yeah, it was , i like GB as well
[14:10] <BluesKaj> Rodgers is a great QB
[14:10] <pauljw> My wife has a t-shirt that says "I have two favorite NFL teams, Greenbay and any team that beats Minnesota." or something like that...
[14:11] <BluesKaj> never cared fro the cowboys since landry was the coach
[14:11] <pauljw> :)
[14:13] <BluesKaj> think NE is beginning to show some cracks on both sides of the ball , time for Brady to retire after this season before he gets hurt badly
[14:14] <DArqueBishop> I'd be less annoyed about the Chiefs win if Watt hadn't been injured.
[14:15] <BluesKaj> I'm sorry I missed that game
[14:15] <pauljw> yeah, it always bothers me when they play too long.  quit while you can still do other things, like walk...
[14:15] <BluesKaj> hehe :-)
[14:17] <BluesKaj> think Brady's ego needs to be fed daily like a coal furnace...he has an unusual competitive streak in him
[14:18] <BluesKaj> more so than most
[14:20] <BluesKaj> ok , stuff to do for a few mns ...testing wayland
[14:43] <BluesKaj> running  wayland session on kde/plasma with the nouveau open source driver for nvidia, but the desktop is pretty shaky when trying to run some regular/normal features like virtual desktops and and adding widgets to the panel
[14:48] <pauljw> are you seeing improvement along the way in wayland, BluesKaj?
[14:52] <BluesKaj> pauljw, not yet, however wayland supposedly brings the gpu drivers closer to the bare metal than X11 so to speak
[14:54] <BluesKaj> it works quite well on ubuntu gnome 3 (not my fav DE ). I tried ubuntu gnome with wayland yesterday for a few hrs, very stable, but it's stil gnome
[14:55] <ducasse> wayland still lacks some quite essential things
[14:56] <BluesKaj> for sure
[14:58] <ducasse> pushing it to users is good in the way that it gets more testers, though
[14:58] <ducasse> but making it default? not sure that is such a good move.
[15:00] <BluesKaj> the wayland implementation in ubuntu/gnome 3 is far ahead of kde/plasma and nvidia, but it'll eventually catch up in time, but it's gonna take a while
[15:01] <BluesKaj> users with amd gpus have better wayland support than nvidia
[15:03] <BluesKaj> intel also has decent wayland support
[15:13] <ducasse> wayland has worked really well for me with intel gpu - no graphics issues, but there are plenty of other issues - i'm not switching to it full-time for a while yet.
[15:14] <EriC^^> evening everyone
[15:15] <ducasse> \o EriC^^
[15:16] <EriC^^> hey ducasse how are you? :)
[15:16] <ducasse> good, thanks - and you? :)
[15:17] <EriC^^> good, thanks :)
[15:20] <BluesKaj> Hey EriC^^, ducasse
[15:20] <pauljw> hi EriC^^
[15:21] <ducasse> \o BluesKaj
[15:21] <BluesKaj> ducasse, I'm running a wayland session right now and it's quite bare bones :-)
[15:22] <BluesKaj> of course networking etc is fine but lots of desktop features are missing
[15:22] <pauljw> is wayland planned to be the default for 18.xx? or is it still unknown.
[15:23] <BluesKaj> pauljw, it's default on Ubuntu/gnome3 17.10 Artful afaik
[15:24] <pauljw> ah, okay.  i don't mess with anything other than the lts versions.  probably should setup a vm and play with it a bit.
[15:25] <EriC^^> hi pauljw BluesKaj :)
[15:25] <pauljw> :)
[15:32] <BluesKaj> there;s a live usb image that runs it exclusively https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=rebeccablackos
[15:54] <BluesKaj> wonder how well weston would works as a compositor on kde/plasma
[15:57] <ducasse> you would need to rewrite it to support all the kde stuff, the compositor contains what we think of as the wm.
[15:57] <ducasse> so if you switch the compositor you also switch the main bits of the desktop
[15:59] <BluesKaj> yeah kwin seems to work well enough until more devel is done to accomadate the missing features
[16:08] <ducasse> got to run, bbiab
[16:08] <pauljw> later...
[16:13] <oerheks> i really like the 'ubuntu got outdated software' dudes
[16:14] <oerheks> especially if they run 12.40 HAHAHAHAHA
[16:15] <BluesKaj> hi oerheks your joke went right over my head :-)
[16:16] <oerheks> sorry for that :-(
[16:17] <oerheks> why do people want rolling releases .. do they know what it asks from development/testers?
[16:17] <BluesKaj> don't be sorry
[16:23] <pauljw> no oerheks, they're clueless.  they just want the latest and greatest and they want it NOW!!
[16:24] <pauljw> then they want you to fix all the problems that go with it
[16:32] <BluesKaj> there's nothing advantageous about rolling releases IME
[16:48] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[16:48] <pauljw> well, I've used one that was well done and it is nice to only need to keep regular updates and always be at the latest version.
[16:48] <pauljw> hi lotuspsychje
[16:48] <lotuspsychje> hi pauljw
[16:50] <pauljw> how have you been lotuspsychje?
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> great here pauljw and you?
[16:51] <pauljw> good here, too. thanks
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[16:59] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[16:59] <EriC^^> what's up?
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: just got home from work, chillin & eating on irc
[17:00] <EriC^^> cool
[17:01] <BluesKaj> oops wayland just crashed the desktop leaving me with konversation and a black background
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: artful?
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> i cant get rid of the lag/animations/windows buttons gone bug on gnome/wayland
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om
[17:26] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: :) ! .. Did not expect you to still be on the channel; pleasant surprise .
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: new work, more pvt time yay
[17:53] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Come on Lotus ComPuters !
[17:53] <lotuspsychje> lol
[17:56] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Lotus Computers - at a hundred orders a week yet ?
[17:57] <lotuspsychje> nooo :p
[17:59] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Well - we got work to do then :)
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> have a nice1 guys tv time :p