[00:29] <jbicha> robert_ancell: gnome-software 3.26.1 works here and you can close LP: #1713285 except…
[00:29] <jbicha> the Add-ons > Shell Extensions subcategory is empty
[06:07] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers!
[06:11] <koza> o/
[06:43] <duflu> hi oSoMoN, koza
[06:53] <Gargoyle> mornin'
[07:01] <koza> duflu, there is a new trailer of Star Wars already available and I have a trailer of the next season 'Ubuntu vs Headsets' series, behold: "paź 10 08:50:56 fyke pulseaudio[2443]: [pulseaudio] module-bluez5-device.c: Refused to switch profile to a2dp_sink: Not connected"; Something to fill the cold and snowy winter evenings ;-)
[07:02] <duflu> koza, yeah one or two open bugs for such issues still. Also winter ended 6 weeks ago :)
[07:03] <koza> lol
[07:25] <didrocks> good morning
[07:33] <duflu> didrocks, morning. I'm about to attach a distro patch for font hinting etc
[07:38] <didrocks> duflu: do you think we could get an upstream review on it first?
[07:38] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:38] <didrocks> duflu: or are you very confident on it?
[07:38] <duflu> didrocks: Been waiting a day for upstream so far
[07:38] <duflu> Morning seb128
[07:38] <didrocks> (I think as we are in sync with mutter, some people won't be happy to diverge from debian)
[07:38] <didrocks> seb128: thoughts? ^
[07:38] <seb128> Trevinho, hey, thanks for fixing bug #1712866
[07:39] <duflu> didrocks, I don't mind if it waits for 18.04. The task is basically done
[07:39] <Trevinho> seb128: it's not the nicest way, as the apps are bugged (so they were also in unity7, to be fair, but the bug didn't show because we didn't stop the shell)... But at least
[07:39] <didrocks> duflu: ok, let's wait, I think the extra css change is good enough for 17.10
[07:39] <seb128> didrocks, we can see with jbicha, I'm not really getting annoyed by such graphical issues so I would tend to say it doesn't need to be fixed on the iso but if others think we should we can cherry pick tomorrow
[07:40] <didrocks> Trevinho: upstream already answered btw :)
[07:40] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, I think we mitigate the issue with my "fix"
[07:40] <seb128> didrocks, good enough for me
[07:40] <duflu> Also, gnome upstream is a couple of months behind on my other patches. I don't expect them to be fast
[07:40] <didrocks> duflu: maybe nag them on IRC?
[07:41] <didrocks> I'm afraid that's the only way it works
[07:41] <didrocks> Trevinho: it looks weird to add copyright on files you didn't change btw :)
[07:41] <duflu> didrocks, no need. I've actually forgotten most of what's pending. Will wait until they wake up
[07:41] <duflu> Some day
[07:41] <Trevinho> didrocks: oh, yeah, I forgot to remove those in fact
[07:41] <Trevinho> didrocks: as I changed them in another commit.... but..
[07:41] <Trevinho> let me fix it
[07:41] <seb128> didrocks, did you understand the copyright comment?
[07:41] <seb128> didrocks, did he meant that the copyright was changed in files we didn't contribute to?
[07:42] <seb128> it's weirdly worded
[07:42] <didrocks> seb128: I think that's this part, indeed
[07:42] <didrocks> but I'm unsure
[07:44] <duflu> didrocks, nice that the shell menus, dialogs and even the login screen is fixed too
[07:45] <seb128> duflu, unsure why you need more details on bug #1722258? it's pretty easy to confirm and the apport info are not very useful afaik
[07:46] <seb128> duflu, also if you can confirm bug #1722256 maybe you can upstream it? here it only displays a "?" when there is a captive portal
[07:47] <duflu> seb128, to prove to future readers of the bug that it pertains to 17.10
[07:47] <duflu> (since so many people still log gnome-shell bugs against 16.04 and 17.04)
[07:48] <seb128> duflu, well the bug was filed with apport and has that info, " DistroRelease: Ubuntu 17.10"
[07:48] <duflu> seb128, the "?" was in a haze of jetlag. Might have only been captive portals but I thought I saw it on my home network too
[07:48] <duflu> seb128, no it wasn't filed with apport. He added that on my request
[07:48] <seb128> I think I saw it once when I was online/not blocked by a portal but I can't reproduce
[07:49] <seb128> duflu, oh, you edited the description to include the apport info later, I see
[07:49] <duflu> seb128, no, apport-collect edits the description
[07:49] <seb128> ah
[07:49] <seb128> I didn't know that :-)
[07:50] <duflu> Sometimes multiple times if you're not careful
[07:58] <Gargoyle> This has been happening for a few days, finally the bug reported managed to gather all-the-things and successfully post it. (bug #1722468)
[07:58] <Gargoyle> Oh, it's private.
[08:00] <Gargoyle> Do I need to change that, or can the required people still access? (I assume because some of the debug stuff could contain private data from RAM, etc)
[08:01] <duflu> Gargoyle, we don't know who the required people are till we can see it. I can't see it either. Try changing it to public
[08:02] <Trevinho> duflu: where's the patch?
[08:02] <duflu> Trevinho, for what?
[08:02] <Trevinho> duflu: subpixel...
[08:02] <Gargoyle> #1722468
[08:03] <Gargoyle> bug #1722468
[08:03] <Gargoyle> There we go!
[08:03] <duflu> Trevinho, Ubuntu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1714459 | upstream: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=645433
[08:04] <duflu> Gargoyle, thanks but I set it back to private. The core dump is private. Just wait for the robots to come and retrace it...
[08:05] <duflu> Gargoyle, Strangely I can still see it while Private now. So that's good.
[08:06] <Trevinho> duflu: interesting.. thanks.
[08:06] <Gargoyle> duflu, ok.
[08:10] <Trevinho> duflu: I'm just a bit confused about the fact of using "org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings" for this...
[08:10] <Trevinho> I guess it should be put somewhere in a more generic place, then gsd or mutter will use the same
[08:10] <duflu> Trevinho, yeah ignore the name. It's what GTK does for Wayland, and what the wikis mention too
[08:11] <Trevinho> duflu: since in a wayland session gsd isn't considered at all for such things
[08:11] <duflu> Also that's what gnome-tweak-tool uses
[08:11] <duflu> Trevinho, well, your GTK apps for Wayland are using it :)
[08:11] <Trevinho> yeah... I mean, I guess it's the good moment to move all this somewhere in a place that is generic
[08:11] <duflu> Trevinho, that's a big can of worms. The schema name is hardcoded in countless projects
[08:12] <duflu> Moving it is a very difficult long term thing
[08:15] <Trevinho> duflu: not so many... (excluding gsd)
[08:15] <Trevinho>  /media/M2/GNOME/gtk+-3/gdk/mir/gdkmirscreen.c
[08:15] <Trevinho> /media/M2/GNOME/gtk+-3/gdk/wayland/gdkscreen-wayland.c
[08:15] <Trevinho> /media/M2/GNOME/mutter/src/core/prefs.c
[08:15] <duflu> Trevinho, OK, not so many if you only count Gnome. :)
[08:16] <Trevinho> I think others just depends on the xsettings it defines, no?
[08:17] <duflu> Trevinho, I guess wait for confirmation of a plan...
[08:17] <duflu> https://wiki.gnome.org/Initiatives/Wayland/GTK%2B#XSettings
[08:17] <duflu> https://wiki.gnome.org/Initiatives/Wayland/gnome-settings-daemon#xsettings
[08:18] <duflu> But don't block the patch waiting... because it's been so many years already
[08:19] <Trevinho> sure, not at all
[08:21] <duflu> Trevinho, also similar things: com.canonical.unity-greeter xft-rgba 'rgb'
[08:56] <andyrock> seb128: so yeasterday you logged off before I was able to write you back
[08:56] <andyrock> seb128: the patch is ubuntu-lid-close-suspend.patch
[08:56] <andyrock> try to remove it and check if the problem is still there
[08:57] <seb128> andyrock, hey, ok, I'm going to try that in a bit
[09:01] <didrocks> Trevinho: if you are still around, do you have time to finish up on https://github.com/ubuntu/gnome-shell-extension-appindicator/pull/97? (you got some answers on the Utils. usage), we can sponsor it quickly once all approved by Jan Niklas
[09:01] <andyrock> seb128: btw I should get my adapter tomorrow so I can work on this
[09:02] <seb128> andyrock, nice
[09:50] <andyrock> https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/fb179bc620e408d216f4b8700f714e6ebb2ebf09 nice to see that debug info stops with js code
[09:50] <andyrock> 💔
[10:05] <duflu> andyrock, although that crash is for Xorg sessions only
[10:05] <duflu> at least some good news
[10:05] <andyrock> I think it's due to dash-to-dock
[10:05] <duflu> andyrock, check out the yellow graph
[10:05] <andyrock> there is a call to global.sync_pointer();
[10:06] <andyrock> I guess we can avoid the crash inside ... sync_pointer
[10:06] <andyrock> but upstream will ask us to fix the problem in dash-to-dock
[10:07] <andyrock> if I'm right this should happen when autohide is enabled
[10:07] <andyrock> otherwise the problem is in gnome-shell
[10:38] <andyrock> or maybe not mmh
[10:43] <andyrock> but looks like they are already working on this https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=788666
[12:22] <willcooke> hi all
[12:23] <jibel> morning willcooke
[12:26] <seb128> hey willcooke, how is it going in N-Y?
[12:27] <willcooke> seb128, it's going.
[12:27] <willcooke> :)
[12:29] <seb128> heh
[12:29] <koza> willcooke, once you get over language barrier is shall be fine ;-)
[12:36] <willcooke> :)
[12:49] <oSoMoN> hey willcooke
[14:12] <alexarnaud> Hello all
[14:14] <jbicha> seb128: I have to do a new mutter upload to fix LP: #1722510 , did we want LP: #1714459 now or wait for it to be reviewed upstream first?
[14:15] <didrocks> jbicha: look at our disussion above ^ sounds like duflu was ok waiting
[14:16] <didrocks> (above being ~6h ago)
[14:16] <jbicha> ok
[14:17] <didrocks> jbicha: if you are confident enough and uploading the same with debian (keeping in sync), I think that's ok to get it in though
[14:20] <alexarnaud> I'm trying to help to translate Compiz in French, especially the show mouse and ezoom modules. On Launchpad when I try to translate Compiz I don't see Ezoom and show mouse modules, see https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/artful/+source/compiz/+pots/compiz/fr
[14:20] <alexarnaud> Should I have to open a bug? If yes, where? On Compiz directly?
[14:21] <jbicha> didrocks: I'll hold off since it's not been reviewed in GNOME yet
[14:21] <didrocks> jbicha: sounds good to me
[14:28] <seb128> jbicha, what didrocks said
[14:30] <seb128> ok, it's meeting time
[14:30] <didrocks> yep!
[14:30] <seb128> #startmeeting Desktop Team 2017-10-10
[14:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Oct 10 14:30:22 2017 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[14:30] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[14:30] <seb128> Roll call: andyrock (out), dgadomski, didrocks, duflu (out), jbicha, jamesh (out), jibel/heber, kenvandine, laney (out?), oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[14:30] <jamesh> I'm here.
[14:30] <kenvandine> o/
[14:30] <seb128> jamesh, ah, good
[14:30] <seb128> don't forget to list your milestoned bugs and their status
[14:31] <jbicha> o/
[14:31] <heber> o/
[14:31] <seb128> ok, let's get started
[14:31] <seb128> #topic andyrock
[14:31] <oSoMoN> o/
[14:31] <seb128> he had to step out of a bit so his summary
[14:31] <seb128> 1. lp:~azzar1/unity/lockscreen-dont-allow-multiple-failre-retry (to avoid weird GUI issue if the user upgrade manually from Z to A, not a big issue but still a bug!)
[14:31] <seb128> 2. Some work on osk + gnome-shell:
[14:31] <seb128>    2.1. don't show (by default) if pyshical keyboard present
[14:31] <seb128>    2.2. show the osk just when the user touches an a text entry
[14:31] <seb128> 3. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1714542
[14:31] <seb128>    3.1  Prepared a modified version of g-s to get more debug info
[14:31] <seb128>    3.2  Prepared a distro patch to workaround the issue for the moment
[14:31] <seb128> 4. Spent some time to make sure I can run g-s on wayland on X (using an artful chroot + jhbuild, I had to debug systemd issues etc.). This is useful to developers for several reasons (touch does not work with VM, don't want to update my main partion to A, etc.)
[14:32] <seb128>  
[14:32] <seb128> he has bug #1716160 milestoned which I'm testing a change for
[14:32] <seb128> next
[14:32] <seb128> #topic dgadomski
[14:32] <seb128> dgadomski, hey
[14:32] <dgadomski> hey
[14:32] <dgadomski> I was on the second part of my vacation last week, so nothing to share today. But this time I'm back for good ;)
[14:32] <dgadomski> eof
[14:33] <seb128> thanks dgadomski
[14:33] <seb128> #topic didrocks
[14:33] <seb128> didrocks, hey
[14:33] <didrocks> ubuntu dock cherry-pick from dash to dock fixes after reporting: edge scroll fix, maximized window resized
[14:33] <didrocks> Ambiance/Radiance theme fixes for background window not showing up proper action button.
[14:33] <didrocks> glib sponsor fix for gsettings key (per session overrides leading to plugin list not loaded in rhythmbox) + merge with debian + debug & fix for i18n (desktop action on right clicks not being translated) in action mode (debian patch which needed fixing, reported it there thus).
[14:33] <didrocks> Reset the gsettings key for rhythmbox plugin list if people didn't get our desired default (not destructing people who set their own plugin lists)
[14:33] <didrocks> Reviewed unity7 keys trevhino + fix some gnome-session migration
[14:33] <didrocks> Theme fixes review and discussion with Trevhino
[14:33] <didrocks> Extensions indicator patch review and sponsoring
[14:33] <didrocks> Debug on some GNOME Shell extensions said to be not working in our session bug. Some are due to our session (or GNOME Shell), other on the extensions themselves. All fixes need to be done in the extension
[14:33] <didrocks> Contributed to 17.10 Release main page
[14:34] <didrocks> Grab comments/feedback we got with top quotes on our default session work (over the 600+ comments on my blog)
[14:34] <didrocks> .
[14:34] <seb128> thanks didrocks, good work as usual!
[14:34] <didrocks> thx ;)
[14:34] <seb128> no milestoned bug assigned so we can move to the next one
[14:34] <seb128> #topic duflu
[14:34] <seb128> * Video acceleration:
[14:34] <seb128>   - Completed final testing and documentation for 17.10's out-of-the-box experience: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntelQuickSyncVideo
[14:34] <seb128>   - Sadly we just passed two months of my main VAAPI fix for totem/gstreamer being ignored upstream: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=773453
[14:34] <seb128>   - Happily, it still seems to be working well for Ubuntu users.
[14:34] <seb128> * Performance (https://trello.com/c/7zeMdP0S/240-fix-totem-performance)
[14:34] <seb128>   - Proposed distro patch for artful to eliminate half of totem's CPU usage: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/clutter-gtk/+bug/1698282 (upstream are now silent on the matter so just go with it...)
[14:34] <seb128>   - Proposed distro patch to fix related GdkFrameClock smoothness: https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/gtk/fix-1698270/+merge/331846 (again, upstream have had the patch for a while but are silent still)
[14:34] <seb128>   - Looks like these fixes will miss release.
[14:34] <seb128> * Appearance (https://trello.com/c/YgueNEZA/260-bug1714459-shell-panel-font-is-blurry-under-wayland)
[14:34] <seb128>   - Prototyped and proposed to mutter upstream a fix for blurry shell text rendering in Wayland sessions: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=645433
[14:34] <seb128>   - This actually fixes all shell text including panel, menus, dialogs and the gdm login screen!
[14:34] <seb128>   - Looks like this fix will also miss release...
[14:34] <seb128> * Other:
[14:34] <seb128>   - Minor fix to upstream gnome-shell: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=788752
[14:35] <seb128> * Daily bug management across gnome-shell, mutter, gdm, ubuntu-themes, bluez, pulseaudio, dkms and mir.
[14:35] <seb128>   - Fully caught up on the bug backlog from travel.
[14:35] <seb128>  
[14:35] <seb128> k, that should be enough for people to read, next
[14:35] <seb128> #topic jbicha
[14:35] <seb128> jbicha, hey
[14:35] <jbicha> • Packaged GNOME 3.26.1
[14:35] <jbicha> • Helped slangasek remove thunderbird/s390x
[14:35] <jbicha> • Added fonts-indic to desktop-common
[14:35] <jbicha> • Fixed LP: #1721802 upstream and in Ubuntu
[14:35] <jbicha> • Filed LP: #1720262 upstream. I think I'd rather not remove the Actions from the .desktop because that could cause a translation problem when we want to re-enable it.
[14:36] <jbicha> so how do we mark that?
[14:36] <jbicha> eof
[14:36] <seb128> comment saying it's going to be fixed in a sru?
[14:36] <seb128> I'm not sure upstream reassigned correctly btw
[14:36] <seb128> gnome-screenshot displays the "fallback to x11" when the dbus call to the screenshoter fails
[14:36] <seb128> but in this case I think it failing is a gnome-shell bug
[14:37] <seb128> since the call is correctly made
[14:37] <seb128> but the file is never stored on disk
[14:37] <seb128> I'm going to comment upstream with some details later I think
[14:37] <seb128> thanks jbicha
[14:37] <seb128> #topic jamesh
[14:37] <seb128> jamesh, hey
[14:38] <jamesh> snapd: work on getting my user-mounts branch to perform mounts while running as
[14:38] <jamesh>  regular user with privileges (needed to support xdg-document-portal)
[14:38] <jamesh> gnome-control-center: track down whoopsie restart loop (bug #1720331).  I have
[14:38] <jamesh> a patch that seems to stabilise the switch, but whoopsie-preferences might need
[14:38] <jamesh>  a change to fully fix the problem.  Will have the g-c-c packaging merge request ready tomorrow.
[14:38] <jamesh> snap forums: followed up on various desktop related threads (content interface as a solution for cups plugins, problems with file choosers)
[14:38] <jamesh> eof
[14:38]  * didrocks is amazed that jamesh is still around at that time
[14:38] <jamesh> didrocks: it's an hour earlier this week, and I just got back from dinner
[14:38] <didrocks> dedication :)
[14:38] <jamesh> (and I'd forgotten to send a status update by email)
[14:39] <seb128> jamesh, bug #1722195 and bug #1721735 are targetted to artful and assigned to you but they are rather recent, did you look at them yet?
[14:40] <jamesh> seb128: we were discussing them in an email thread with will, robert, and jibel.  I haven't made any progress on them beyond that.
[14:41] <seb128> k
[14:41] <seb128> thanks jamesh
[14:41] <seb128> next
[14:41] <seb128> #topic jibel/heber
[14:41] <heber> Hey! QA Status:
[14:41] <heber> * Daily triaging
[14:41] <heber> * More upgrade tests (update-manager crashes on wayland, synaptics -> libinput transition, migration script failure)
[14:41] <heber> * Moved private desktop dashboard to desktop.kpi.canonical.com
[14:41] <heber> * Added ISO size to the main dashboard
[14:41] <jamesh> seb128: for the second one, the short term fix might be to just #ifdef out the auth dialog support in gnome-software: a real fix would require snapd changes that probably won't make it
[14:41] <heber> * Tested support for policy kit for snap packages in gnome-software
[14:41] <heber> * Wrote test plan for the policy kit support for snap packages
[14:41] <heber> * Implement DBUS service for gnome integration tests
[14:41] <heber> * Implement test runner for gnome integration tests
[14:41] <heber> EOF
[14:41] <jibel> s/gnome/gnome-shell/
[14:41] <jibel> thanks heber :)
[14:41] <heber> jibel,  :)
[14:42] <seb128> jibel, did you manage to verify if bug #1715330 is fixed for you?
[14:42] <jibel> seb128, not yet
[14:42] <seb128> k
[14:43] <seb128> thanks jibel heber
[14:43] <seb128> #topic kenvandine
[14:43] <seb128> kenvandine, hey
[14:43] <kenvandine> * Did a round of manual testing on all our GNOME snaps in the edge channel and promoted them to stable.
[14:43] <kenvandine> * Worked on snapping Geary, webkit has proven to have issues in a snap.  libwebkitgtk thinks the web process binaries are installed under /usr/lib.  I've created a webkitgtk build snap that should honor WEBKIT_EXEC_PATH, but haven't been able to build Geary using the build snap yet.
[14:43] <kenvandine> * Working on updating the Remmina snap, maintained upstream, to include the desktop and wayland interfaces as well as utilize the gnome platform snap.
[14:43] <kenvandine> * Working with popey to finish up the elementary sdk build snap
[14:43] <kenvandine> eof
[14:43] <jibel> kenvandine, where is the list of all our gnome snaps?
[14:44] <kenvandine> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/GNOMESnaps
[14:45] <jibel> thanks
[14:45] <kenvandine> jibel, it would be nice to automate some testing of those :)
[14:45] <kenvandine> i'm going to get automated builds going
[14:45] <jibel> kenvandine, indeed, snaps on desktop is one of our priority
[14:46] <seb128> +1
[14:46] <seb128> thanks kenvandine
[14:46] <seb128> #topic Laney
[14:46] <seb128> Laney, around?
[14:47] <seb128> I guess not and I didn't see a summary via email
[14:47] <seb128> k, let's move on then
[14:47] <seb128> #topic oSoMoN
[14:47] <seb128> oSoMoN, hey
[14:47] <oSoMoN> hey there
[14:47] <oSoMoN> • chromium-browser 61.0.3163.100 stable update published to trusty, xenial, zesty, artful
[14:47] <oSoMoN> • updated chromium beta to 62.0.3202.45
[14:47] <oSoMoN> • still trying to solve the chromium 62 on trusty build problems, as it will soon become stable (ETA next week)
[14:47] <oSoMoN> • investigated further bug #1697641
[14:47] <oSoMoN> • investigated and discussed bug #1718446, proposed fix upstream and waiting for feedback
[14:47] <oSoMoN> • investigated bug #1662031, acked Gunnar's proposed fix and reported upstream to look for a more generic solution
[14:47] <oSoMoN> • filed bug #1722151
[14:47] <oSoMoN> ^D
[14:48] <seb128> thanks for the work on those gdm issues
[14:48] <seb128> what's the status of the fallback one? blocking on upstream?
[14:48] <seb128> do you think we should distro patch your change?
[14:49] <oSoMoN> I just had an idea of a possibly less intrusive change, I'm going to experiment with it now
[14:49] <seb128> nice
[14:49] <oSoMoN> I'd rather have upstream ack the patch before distro patching
[14:49] <seb128> right but freeze is thursday
[14:49] <oSoMoN> yes
[14:49] <seb128> so it's tight
[14:49] <seb128> anyway let's rediscuss it later or tomorrow
[14:50] <seb128> thanks oSoMoN
[14:50] <oSoMoN> let's see if I can get halfline to comment on it today
[14:50] <seb128> that would be great
[14:50] <seb128> thx
[14:50] <seb128> next
[14:50] <seb128> #topic seb128
[14:51] <seb128> - sponsored orca fix from andyroc_k
[14:51] <seb128> - reverted g-s-d changes to drop setting of ibus in favor of initial setup which we don't use
[14:51] <seb128> - debugged/backport udisk fix for audio/blank cds
[14:51] <seb128> - updated poppler to re-enable its openjpeg decoder so images can be displayed in pdf again
[14:51] <seb128> - debugging/fixed the g-s-d housekeeping dbus service not working
[14:51] <seb128> - discussed gdm/locale changes
[14:51] <seb128> - recent bugs & e.u.c daily triaging
[14:51] <seb128> - updated langpacks and tested a bit the current french translations
[14:52] <seb128> my milestoned bugs are fix commited
[14:52] <seb128> outside of an ubiquity/orca issue which I know how to fix but didn't get to it, on my list for today or tomorrow
[14:52] <seb128> next
[14:52] <seb128> #topic tkamppeter
[14:52] <seb128> tkamppeter, hey
[14:52] <tkamppeter> - ippusbxd: Released 1.31 with bug fixes, especially a missing 'TAG+="systemd"' in the UDV rules file added.
[14:52] <tkamppeter> - UDEV/systemd: Tested auto-setup of USB printers which does not work any more -> bug 1721839 Did additional tests together with xnox via IRC and found escaping issues as possible cause. xnox is busy with other systemd issues, so solution probably only as an early-term SRU.
[14:52] <tkamppeter> - Release Notes: Added updated info about driverless printing and the USB auto-setup issue.
[14:52] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[14:53] <seb128> thanks tkamppeter
[14:53] <seb128> #topic trevinho
[14:53] <seb128>  · Migrate properly font scale settings from unity to gnome, keeping
[14:53] <seb128>    unity settings in a different namespace
[14:53] <seb128>  · Some debugging in mutter crashes (but without many luck, due to
[14:53] <seb128>    missing infos on crash dumps).
[14:53] <seb128>  · Fixed theme notebook's tab backdrop state
[14:53] <seb128>  · Fixed suggested-action theming to be more consistent with ambiance
[14:53] <seb128>  · Use inverted decoration gradient in maximized windows (let's decide
[14:54] <seb128>    the bottom gradient color and land it)
[14:54] <seb128>  · Experiments and analisys with some cool cloud-related project
[14:54] <seb128>  · Fixed ubuntu gtk-2 themes with proper menu colors and support for
[14:54] <seb128>    mate desktop apps
[14:54] <seb128>  · Fixed issue with app-indicators not showing again after lock-screen
[14:54] <seb128>    or any enable/disable (actually it's an apps bug!).
[14:54] <Trevinho> (hi!)
[14:54] <seb128> Trevinho, you forgot the review of your milestoned bugs. bug #1716056 you seem to work on and have a fix for bug #1714504
[14:54] <seb128> but bug #1717923, is that fixed?
[14:55] <seb128> bug #1716341 as well, I think it is in .1?
[14:56] <Trevinho> seb128: we can't reproduce 1717923 the crash, the fix to ignore wrong config seems to worl and it's already in 3.26.1
[14:56] <seb128> oh, and hey Trevinho-who-never-sleeps :-)
[14:56] <seb128> Trevinho, can you comment on the bug/close the one fixed?
[14:56] <seb128> Trevinho, thanks, and good work as usual :-)
[14:56] <Trevinho> I asked for feedback, was waiting for some reply before... but ok
[14:57] <seb128> also I liked my tb context menu better before, unsure if that's your gtk2 fixes to blame :p
[14:57] <seb128> Trevinho, it's fine, please just include the status of milestoned bugs next week in the summary
[14:57] <seb128> Trevinho, thanks!
[14:57] <Trevinho> seb128: I didn't land that yet,so no
[14:57] <seb128> k, so it's tb itself I guess
[14:57] <seb128> moving on then
[14:57] <jbicha> tb is gtk3 now, right?
[14:57] <seb128> jbicha, could be?
[14:58] <seb128> is that recent?
[14:58] <seb128> I didn't look much, just that the context menu doesn't look nice
[14:58] <Trevinho> yeah, so it should be
[14:58] <seb128> cool
[14:58] <seb128> thanks Trevinho
[14:58] <seb128> #topic robert_ancell
[14:58] <Trevinho> seb128: ah, need to figure what to do with the panel mode in maximized windows
[14:58] <seb128> Artful release bugs:
[14:58] <seb128> - Issues with GNOME Software installing / removing snaps - fix being testing in ppa:ubuntu-desktop/gnome-software (LP: #1721740) (LP: #1721765)
[14:58] <seb128> - GNOME Software high CPU usage - being investigated (LP: #1716579)
[14:58] <seb128> - GNOME Software cancellation issues - being investigated (LP: #1722183) (LP: #1721762)
[14:58] <seb128> Other work:
[14:58] <seb128> - GNOME Software 3.26.1 package update to artful.
[14:58] <seb128> - Fix average ratings in GNOME Software Xenial
[14:58] <seb128> - Refactoring in snapd-glib to handle requests during async operations correctly.
[14:58] <seb128> - Migrating LightDM bzr branch to git for moving to GitHub.
[14:58] <seb128> #topic AOB
[14:59] <seb128> Trevinho, some more panel fun? ;-)
[14:59] <seb128> bug #1722479 also around the lines of panel/color/etc
[14:59] <seb128> anyway
[14:59] <seb128> any other topic to discuss today?
[15:00] <jbicha> upstream says that we shouldn't offer empathy 3.25 but use 3.12.14 instead (still has the webkit2 migration) so we might have an ugly version number for that
[15:00] <jibel> o/
[15:00] <didrocks> (panel/dock color will always be different as we have a gradient on top)
[15:00] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, I mean I've a branch done but didrocks doesn't like it, duflu thinks it's better and andyrock too, but not perfect, however still an improvement.... it's all about finding the proper color
[15:00] <seb128> jbicha, why?
[15:01] <jbicha> upstream says 3.25 is too buggy, it may take months before it's fixed(?)
[15:01] <seb128> k, fine then
[15:01] <didrocks> Trevinho: As discussed, I prefer your second proposal, but with some rework on the traditional titlebar (lighter color), you told you could do this but didn't see any movement?
[15:01] <seb128> Trevinho, didrocks, let's continue discussing those tweaks later, it's not something we are going to resolve in a meeting I guess...
[15:01] <didrocks> I don't think anyway it's something really important in general, we had that for a big part of the cycle and 2 weeks before release is late for such change
[15:01] <didrocks> +1
[15:02] <didrocks> (well, just after meeting)
[15:02] <seb128> k
[15:02] <jbicha> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/distributor-list/2017-September/msg00000.html
[15:02] <seb128> jbicha, thanks
[15:02] <seb128> any other topic to discuss then? ;-)
[15:02] <jibel> yes
[15:02] <Trevinho> didrocks: I didn't tonight, I did last week, but since I'm quite happy with both, i'd prefer you guys to pick the colors :-D
[15:02] <jbicha> nothing from me :)
[15:02] <seb128> jibel, yes?
[15:03] <seb128> sorry I didn't see your o/ first
[15:03] <jibel> as every knows release is next week, we'll have an UbuntuOnAri Hangout on Monday
[15:03] <jibel> to talk about ISO testing and all the tips and  tricks
[15:03] <jibel> more details on the community hub https://community.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-17-10-community-iso-testing/458
[15:03] <jibel> UbuntuOnAir*
[15:04] <jibel> ...
[15:04] <seb128> good
[15:04] <didrocks> nice!
[15:04] <seb128> do you need anything for the team?
[15:04] <seb128> participants? feedback?
[15:05] <jibel> participants from all flavors, testers, and feedback (bug reports ...)
[15:05] <jibel> it'd be nice to have people testing on hardware too
[15:05] <seb128> right
[15:05] <seb128> everyone, please join in testing, feedback, etc
[15:06] <seb128> thanks jibel
[15:06] <seb128> other topics?
[15:07] <seb128> seems not? it's a wrap then
[15:07] <seb128> thanks everybody
[15:07] <seb128> #endmeeting
[15:07] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Oct 10 15:07:10 2017 UTC.
[15:07] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2017/ubuntu-desktop.2017-10-10-14.30.moin.txt
[15:07] <didrocks> thx!
[15:07] <oSoMoN> thanksC
[15:07] <didrocks> Trevinho: want to discuss theme thus?
[15:07] <Trevinho> didrocks: ok
[15:08] <didrocks> Trevinho: as told, from your 2 proposals, I like the second one you did last Friday
[15:08] <didrocks> but
[15:08] <Trevinho> didrocks: the one I didn't push eventually? :)
[15:08] <didrocks> the titlebar (not headerbar) needs to be a little bit lighter IMHO
[15:08] <didrocks> yep
[15:08] <didrocks> well
[15:08] <didrocks> the last one in the ppa
[15:09] <didrocks> I feel that the top bar + headerbar is working well
[15:09] <Trevinho> ah, since I shown one screenshot here, but it wasn't the one I pushed then, it was a bit different
[15:09] <didrocks> I'm running the ppa since Friday
[15:09] <Trevinho> to avoid changing the look of classic menubars
[15:09] <didrocks> (well, wget it)
[15:09] <didrocks> so unsure if you updated it or not
[15:09] <Trevinho> (of course)
[15:09] <Trevinho> nope
[15:10] <Trevinho> by lighter you mean that it should be ligher in the top side or bottom side?
[15:10] <didrocks> top side, I find it in traditional title bar (not headerbar) like a strong dark flat thingy
[15:10] <didrocks> let me screenshot
[15:10] <Trevinho> As I'd prefer to keep the bottom color the same of it was before in order to be the same of other widgets that could be there (like menubars)
[15:10] <Trevinho> ok
[15:10] <didrocks> (cheese)
[15:10]  * Trevinho switches laptop
[15:10] <didrocks> too late
[15:11] <didrocks> Trevinho: https://imgur.com/a/rwfV6
[15:11] <didrocks> I find the top part of the title bar to be really dark, and it's jumping on my eyes (contrary to the headerbar)
[15:12] <didrocks> just added the headerbar screenshot as well for those interested
[15:14] <oSoMoN> seb128, Ray suggested a solution on https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=788552 , I’ll give it a try
[15:16] <Trevinho> didrocks: ah ok... quite agree... let me hack the color a bit
[15:17] <didrocks> oSoMoN: seb128: /!\ it means we'll need to change the ubuntu-xorg session thus as well. I'm unsure as we can't transition people already running the beta and selecting xorg they won't be upgraded on a random session now
[15:17] <didrocks> or we need a gdm migration patch
[15:17] <didrocks> which sounds… risky at this point
[15:17] <didrocks> Trevinho: \o/
[15:18] <seb128> oSoMoN, great
[15:19] <seb128> didrocks, :-(
[15:24] <oSoMoN> didrocks, isn't that an acceptable breakage, given it's only a beta?
[15:25] <didrocks> oSoMoN: I don't really like breaking people knowingly, we can have a small distro patch to rename the picked up session I guess in the code that we'll drop next cycle
[15:26] <oSoMoN> can be done, indeed
[15:27] <didrocks> only hardcode 2: gnome-xorg and ubuntu-xorg and change the string to "gnome" and "ubuntu" IMHO
[15:27] <didrocks> should be a 2 liners (3 with the free :p)
[15:27] <didrocks> IMHO
[15:28] <Trevinho> didrocks: so this was the one I showed here...
[15:28] <Trevinho> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/2BDAxsbR/
[15:29] <didrocks> Trevinho: that's not the last patch, correct?
[15:29] <Trevinho> didrocks: no
[15:29] <didrocks> Trevinho: I guess for titlebar, that's fine, keep the headerbar as it is though, please
[15:29] <Trevinho> it's 1.5, which I didn't push :)
[15:29] <Trevinho> headerbar isn't touch
[15:30] <jbicha> oSoMoN: the ubuntu-settings package will need to be updated for the imagemagick .desktop hack if the sessions aren't ubuntu and ubuntu-xorg
[15:33] <Trevinho> didrocks: or even lighter bottom
[15:33] <Trevinho> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/DLQ4KFP5/
[15:34] <Trevinho> as it probably works better when there are no menus
[15:34] <Trevinho> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/jPZkVykR/
[15:34] <jbicha> kenvandine: thoughts on LP: #1712535 ?
[15:35] <didrocks> Trevinho: +1
[15:35] <Trevinho> ok, pushing this
[15:36] <kenvandine> jbicha, i guess i'm fine with it, maybe minus the libido patch
[15:36] <kenvandine> that was just to use our design of the modal dialog for voip calls
[15:37] <kenvandine> we could skip that to avoid the libido depends
[15:37] <kenvandine> oh, actually known of this would make the indicator work in gnome-shell though
[15:38] <oSoMoN> jbicha, the sessions will remain ubuntu and ubuntu-xorg, but the X fallback for the "ubuntu" wayland session will be named "ubuntu" too, and "ubuntu-xorg" will be visible in wayland only
[15:38] <kenvandine> jbicha, it used the messaging menu not libappindicator
[15:38]  * kenvandine comments on the bug
[15:38] <oSoMoN> jbicha, so IIUC your ubuntu-settings patch, it won't need updating
[15:43]  * oSoMoN goes parenting, back later for some gdm fun
[15:49] <Trevinho> didrocks: ok, pushed, rebuilding now
[15:51] <didrocks> Trevinho: nice!
[16:39] <jackpot51> Can we talk about this patch again? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/accountsservice/+bug/1699216
[16:40] <jackpot51> I just saw a new accountsservice show up, superseding my patches for encrypted home.
[16:40] <jackpot51> Here is a debdiff of the patch I want to keep in accountsservice, one that allows gnome-initial-setup and gnome-control-center to support Encrypted Home https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/accountsservice/+bug/1699216/+attachment/4945507/+files/accountsservice_encrypt_home.debdiff
[16:42] <jackpot51> GunnarHj and others would you mind taking a look?
[16:44] <seb128> jackpot51, sounds a bit late in this cycle for such changes
[16:47] <jackpot51> All I want is the accountsservice patch, so we don't have to hold a forked accountsservice
[16:52] <jbicha> we never found anyone willing to review the accountsservice patch :(
[16:53] <jackpot51> Well, every time accountsservice gets updated in Ubuntu, I get fucked. Why? Because I cannot rename the package.
[16:53] <jackpot51> So I am probably going to have to drop the patches for encrypted home entirely
[16:56] <jbicha> once Ubuntu 17.10 is released, any SRUs for accountsservice will have to age in -proposed for at least 7 days first. That gives you time to update your PPA.
[16:56] <jackpot51> Ok, that would be good
[16:57] <jackpot51> Many users are getting pop-gnome-initial-setup removed if they dist-upgrade
[16:58] <jackpot51> It doesn't break their systems, but it introduces a significant amount of maintenance work
[17:54] <GunnarHj> Hi jackpot51, sorry if you felt ignored by my accountsservice upload. That was not my intention.
[17:54] <GunnarHj> I have noticed your patches previously, but unfortunately they are too complex for me to review. The change I uploaded was a trivial one, and that's what I do - trivial stuff. :)
[17:54] <GunnarHj> Hopefully some experienced developer will find the time in the beginning of next cycle.
[17:57] <jackpot51> I dropped all our patches. Users will have to wait until Ubuntu can merge the patch, it is too much maintenance work to have encrypted home in gnome-initial-setup and gnome-control-center
[17:59] <jackpot51> The only other alternative was to use an epoch, which would make it impossible to go back to the Ubuntu version if the patches are merged
[18:00] <dmj_s76> This patch represents a fairly important feature for us.
[18:36] <seb128> dmj_s76, right, we are likely to get it reviewed next cycle
[18:37] <seb128> it hasn't been high priority for us since we don't use gnome-inital-setup and don't plan to for next cycle either
[18:37] <seb128> but we should be able to review those changes anyways
[18:51] <jackpot51> seb128 what about for creating new users? It is not supported in gnome-control-center either
[18:52] <seb128> jackpot51, that would be a nice improvement to get
[18:52] <seb128> but for next cycle now
[18:56] <GunnarHj> seb128: I think that oSoMoN is trying to fix an upstreamable solution to the ~/.pam_environment / GDM conflict.
[18:57] <seb128> GunnarHj, I saw that
[19:02] <seb128> GunnarHj, I told you it was probably fixable in a way that could go upstream :-)
[19:04] <GunnarHj> seb128: I never claimed otherwise (I think). My concern was/is the time frame. ;)
[19:07] <seb128> GunnarHj, you said that ~/.pam_environment and the accountsservice patches were ubuntu specific which would make the solution ubuntu specific iirc
[19:07] <seb128> GunnarHj, anyway no need to argue over it, if that can go upstream it's better for everybody
[19:11] <GunnarHj> seb128: Possibly I did... Anyway, good if we can avoid another permanent patch.
[19:14] <GunnarHj> seb128: The gnome-settings MP, OTOH, is Ubuntu specific. So whenever you find the time to get it in... I added a use case example to the bug report to illustrate the nature of the issue.
[19:15] <seb128> right, I saw that, I'm going to try to have a look tomorrow
[19:16] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok. ( s/gnome-settings/gnome-session/ )
[19:16] <seb128> (right, I know which change you are talking about)
[19:17] <Laney> why do we have these differences in locale setup?
[19:18] <seb128> that's a complex topic, I don't think it can be summarized on IRC
[19:18] <GunnarHj> Laney: It's a long story. But the short version is that the way we do it in Ubuntu is desktop independent, i.e. it's used by several of the flavors. The GNOME way is GNOME only.
[19:18] <seb128> history, Debian doing things differently from rpm distros, etc
[19:22] <Laney> I would like to understand it
[19:23] <seb128> the internet and the ubuntu archive source are available for your pleasure :-)
[19:23] <Laney> thanks seb
[19:23] <seb128> yw!
[19:24] <seb128> I'm not sure anyone has a complete understanding of the history how why the pieces got stacked to lead to what we have now
[19:24] <seb128> so I'm unsure anyone can reply to your question
[19:24] <seb128> so I think if somebody wants to understand the why and the details then the way is to dig and try to understand how we end up there
[19:24] <seb128> or maybe buy a beer to p_itti at some conference :p
[19:27] <seb128> Laney, some of the difference are debian vs redhat, e.g /etc/locale.conf vs /etc/default/locale, I'm unsure you are going to get a rational for that
[19:27] <GunnarHj> Laney, seb128: I can write down a summarized history from my horizon.
[19:27] <seb128> GunnarHj, I guess that would be useful
[19:28] <seb128> GunnarHj, your history would be how things are done in Ubuntu though, not how it differs from other distributions and why right?
[19:28] <GunnarHj> seb128: Mostly, yes.
[19:29] <seb128> pam_env.so is availabe in other distributions and mentioned in some redhat documents
[19:29] <seb128> unsure if they use it by default though
[19:29] <Laney> so it's something we inherit from debian mainly?
[19:29] <seb128> some bits yes
[19:30] <seb128> then we have some extra ubuntu specifics changes for language-selector and langpacks iirc
[19:30] <seb128> but I'm not familiar with the specifics
[19:31] <GunnarHj> seb128, Laney: Previously (before 12.04) we used ~/.profile for the purpose, but it was considered inappropriate, since users often use that file for personal stuff. So we switched to ~/.pam_environment.
[19:31] <seb128> GunnarHj, is pam_env.so standard among distros?
[19:31] <seb128> or did we start installing it to address this need?
[19:32] <GunnarHj> seb128: We already had pam_env.so AFAIK. It was Colin W. who called our attention to ~/.pam_environment.
[19:33] <GunnarHj> seb128: Please note that both /etc/default/locale and /etc/environment are pam_env files.
[19:37] <GunnarHj> seb128: At that time ~/.pam_environment was read by pam_env by default, but that was changed later, which is the reason why we need to state it explicitly in a bunch of files in /etc/pam.d.
[19:39] <seb128> GunnarHj, right, anyway I guess that Laney is interested in locales to be standard across distro, I'm not sure how far we are from that and if anybody ever trying to reduce divergence/standardise, that gdm bug suggests we are not there
[19:41] <GunnarHj> seb128: My impression is that there is no cross distro standard in this respect.
[19:42] <seb128> right, that's my impression as well
[19:42] <GunnarHj> Of course, gettext is a common denominator.
[19:43] <seb128> well gettext doesn't define how the environment is set
[19:43] <oSoMoN> a comparison of what various distros do in that regard would be useful to understand the work needed to converge, if at all possible
[19:43] <seb128> right
[19:49] <Laney> yeah
[19:50] <Laney> or at least if we do things differently it'd be good to have a good idea of why
[19:50] <Laney> since it seems to cause work
[19:50] <Laney> thx for the introductory lesson
[20:03] <syeh_> Hi, on 17.10, when the user requests 1360x768 32bpp mode, the pitch that I get in the DRM is 5632 (vs 1360*768 = 5440), does anyone happen to know how this pitch is determined?
[20:09] <syeh_> There are also a couple of details regarding how this new Wayland-based compositing manager is using framebuffers that I'd like to chat with someone about.  On a low GPU configuration, we are running into a few issues with our HW.
[20:41] <willcooke> bug of the week: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1721141
[20:43] <sarnold> wow
[20:46] <Laney> :D
[20:46] <acheronuk> o_O
[20:48] <flocculant> nice workaround :D