 @acheronuk, thank you, i will try it, too bad isn't free (as in freedom)
[03:05] <KF5WYX> Hi All.  I had a difficult time installing Kubuntu 17.04 today. Finally got installed, but there was an error towards the end of the install script - didn't catch it to copy, but now the package manager seems to be borked, and I don't know how to resolve it. see: https://pastebin.com/wiDpjPVL
 @KF5WYX, it seems you ran out of space in your /boot partition, do a df -h /* and check
[05:53] <cagrover> noobie question.  How do I set up my email services with loopback?  I see lots on Google about how to send, but not where to set the SMTP server and credentials to use for sending...
[05:53] <cagrover> Or should I ask in the gitter.im room?
[05:54] <cagrover> oops.. sry... wrong channel.. lol
[06:30] <Char|ie> Hey guys, Im trying to create a fancy-ish pdf from scratch. Id like to put on background images and text over it. Whats crucial though is that I need to learn how to build a page where it links to a page or section in the pdf
[06:31] <Char|ie> Im not sure how to put this in keywords in search in google :/
[06:31] <Char|ie> Can anyone help out?
[06:32] <hateball> Uh... I am not sure how it's Kubuntu related :)
[06:32] <Char|ie> This is a question I should be asking Libreoffice right?
[06:32] <Char|ie> well I use Kubuntu :/
[06:32] <hateball> Char|ie: Yeah :D
[06:32] <Char|ie> k.
[06:32] <hateball> Char|ie: But really you only make a document with TOC, export to PDF and it should make hyperlinks
[06:32] <hateball> Automagically
[06:32] <Char|ie> TOC?
[06:32] <hateball> Table of contents
[06:33] <Char|ie> Okay :) ty
[06:33] <hateball> https://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Creating_a_Table_of_Contents
[06:42] <Char|ie> awesome :D
[06:42] <Char|ie> ty
[07:06] <hateball> Char|ie: No worries :)
[07:20] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:50] <john85> BOO!
[09:53] <john85> if anyone is there,  i have a question
[09:54] <john85> i am running windows 8 and kubi with grub boot loader
[09:55] <john85> i have one of those new laptops with windows preinstalled on a recovery partition,  can i safely reinstall windows without upsetting grub or kubi?
[10:06] <deng> #stripe
[10:13] <hateball> john85: reinstalling Windows will kill your bootloader and replace it with Windows own
[10:13] <hateball> !fixgrub | john85
[10:14] <hateball> john85: but quite easily fixable ^
[10:14] <john85> ok,  i wont bother then
[10:15] <john85> i have no need to really,  just be good to clear out all the junk thats accumulated over the years since i now only ever use it for one thing,  and i will hopefully have fully migrated to kubuntu soon anyway
[10:17] <hateball> john85: well you can liveboot and resize the partitions, if you want to reclaim space
[10:18] <hateball> and on the when you are finally free, you can kill the windows partition altogether, grub shouldnt even mind as it's in MBR + on your / partition
[10:18] <john85> im getting a new SSD soon,  so dont think i will bother worrying about messing about with my current drive
[10:18] <hateball> ah :)
[10:19] <john85> will keep the old drive,  just in case i need windows for something
[10:19] <hateball> probably wise
[10:19] <john85> i paid for it after all
[10:20] <hateball> john85: you could get an enclosure for the old drive, reinstall a windows VM and keep it on that drive
[10:20] <hateball> attached over USB, rather than having to swap back and forth :p
[10:20] <john85> good idea :)
[10:20] <john85> thanks
[10:21] <hateball> They are cheap enough these days
[10:21] <john85> i was thinking about a VM, but never thought of doing it like that
[10:22] <hateball> well of course performance will suffer compared to keeping it on SSD
[10:22] <hateball> but if it's just for the odd occassion...
[10:22] <john85> ye
[10:25] <john85> cant wait till i get my broadband in two weeks
[10:25] <hateball> :)
[10:26] <john85> its unfortunate i have to wait 2 weeks though
[10:27] <hateball> Yes, nothing quite as annoying
[10:29] <john85> its lucky i have BB at work, last place i worked didnt
[10:30] <john85> but then i did have BB at home
[10:31] <john85> actually,  thats not quite true,  work did have BB,  but only certain people had access to it
[10:32] <john85> same here really,  only a select few are allowed wi fi password
[10:33] <hateball> odd, unless bandwidth comes at a premium
[10:34] <hateball> even low end routers will offer guestnet functionality these days
[10:34] <john85> wifi password here is shite,  password on works laptop is shit too lol
[10:34] <hateball> even so, you can QoS
[10:34] <john85> i think its more to do with trust than bandwidth
[10:34] <hateball> hence guestnet :p
[10:34] <hateball> but that's more suited for !ot ;D
[10:39] <john85> this channel is always so packed but always so quiet,  unless people just remain logged in or go off into private chats
[10:40] <hateball> yes
[10:41] <john85> im needed on shop floor
[10:41] <john85> bye for now
[11:55] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
 Good day everyone
 anyone knows how to reatart the x server so it reads changes in xorg.conf without rebooting?
 already tried sddm restart but isn't reading changes in xorg.conf
[13:21] <lordievader> Restarting sddm should do that...
[13:21] <lordievader> Since X is restarted.
[13:23] <BluesKaj> do we even have xorg.conf by default anymore?
[13:25] <hateball> BluesKaj: Not my knowledge
[13:25] <hateball> to my*
 @lordievader, exactly, but it jus doesn't read it, but if i restart the machine it would take the changes
[13:25] <hateball> But it is still required to set some systemwide options for the nvidia blob and what not
[13:26] <lordievader> DGUERRERO: how are you making the changes?
[13:27] <BluesKaj> hateball, yeah that's nvidia-xconfig
 @lordievader, nano directly to xorg.conf
 hateball: even with nvidia-xconfig, it will just take the changes after rebooting
[13:28] <lordievader> Are there files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d which override the settings?
 no, doesn't even have a .d directory
 and it's driving me crazy because I want to connect a UHD tv via HDMI, but the max resolution avaliable for it is 1920x1080, so instead of add the resolution, changes the dpi to 30x30, and you can't read anything
[13:36] <BluesKaj> DGUERRERO I have to ask, does your gpu support 4k
[13:36] <BluesKaj> ?
 in theory, only spupoort it at 30hz
 and in 60 the max is 2560x1440
[13:45] <BluesKaj> 30hz can be watchable, but pans are probly jerky
 @BluesKaj, I think it's betther than the 30x30 dpi i hav-e right now hehehe
 *better
[13:50] <BluesKaj> DGUERRERO, right , which gpu are you running ?
[13:53] <Guest51354> Hi. I have a directory and the user and group owner is ubuntu. Now I want to allow another user jenkins to access that folder with the same rights as ubuntu user. What should I do ?
[13:54] <Guest51354> I tried adding the user jenkins to ubuntu group as its secondary group but did not work
 @Guest51354, Hi, if you have intermediate linux skills, i would suggest you to use an ACL for that user in the directory.
[13:55] <Guest51354> Yes I can learn and do that but is there an easier way ?
[13:55] <Guest51354> a workaround ?
 @Guest51354, did you checked the permission for owner and group are the same? it can be dangerous...
 but it will be easier
 BluesKaj: i have and old but warry GT540m
[13:57] <Guest51354> owner and group are the same yes but ubuntu group has users ubuntu and jenkins only
 maybe you need to apply these permissions recursively?
[14:10] <dougl> morning folks
[14:20] <BluesKaj> 'morning dougl
[14:21] <dougl> Hey BluesKaj how are you doing today?
[14:21] <BluesKaj> dougl, good thanks, and you?
[14:27] <dougl> BluesKaj, not bad - working out a few bugs wondering if I should do release update (?) on my 14.04 LTS but it aint broke so I am nervous about fixing it
[14:33] <BluesKaj> dougl, dunno much about 16.04, barely used it so I can' comment, but 18.04 promises a lot of big changes. I'll probly be testing it in a few weeks.
[14:33] <BluesKaj> can't comment
[14:34] <hateball> dougl: be aware that 14.04 to 16.04 is not a supported Kubuntu upgrade
[14:34] <hateball> due to the 4.x -> 5.x
[14:34] <hateball> It has worked when I've done it tho, but I lost my kwallet in the process
[14:35] <hateball> might have been some other minor issues, but none that I can remember now
[14:35] <BluesKaj> that's no loss :-)
[14:35] <dougl> BluesKaj, aww you caught me fishing for advice again... I will probably wait... Thats what I am talking about...
[14:36] <BluesKaj> the change fropm kde/plasma4 to 5 is q big one too
[14:36] <dougl> you saved me the effort... I will clean install and dual boot 14.04 and 18.04 when the time comes
[14:37] <dougl> in a few weeks it will be beta you are testing?
[14:37] <BluesKaj> dougl, best to use separate / and /home partitions for LTS  IMO
[14:38] <BluesKaj> no betas for a while
[14:39] <BluesKaj> I'm on beta 2 Artful atm
[14:39] <dougl> BluesKaj, agreed been doing it so long I don't know if you taught me or that is something I picked up in my gentoo years,,, sometimes /var is independent partition too
[14:41] <BluesKaj> yeah, but /var isn't really necessary
[14:41] <dougl> BluesKaj, how is that working for you - Artful
[14:42] <BluesKaj> working nicely
[14:43] <BluesKaj> think we're already close to the final release package and kernel wise
[14:43] <dougl> Nice
[14:44] <BluesKaj> 17.10 has been a remarkably smooth development vs previous versions IME
[14:45] <BluesKaj> 'morning genii
[14:46] <genii> BluesKaj: Mornin' :)
[15:23] <vrmuppalla> when 17.10 is released, does the system automatically update to the final version from the beta ? Do the repos also reflect that ? If so, how can I verify that ?
[15:24] <oerheks> vrmuppalla, yes, 17.10 beta2 will upgrade to the final 17.10, no need for changing repos.
[15:31] <vrmuppalla> thanks.
[15:43] <dougl> anyone know where the screen saver is on xfce?
[15:44] <oerheks> better ask in #xubuntu
[15:47] <dougl> oerheks, thank you - I should have know better, was just being lazy I guess :)
[19:43] <Iwaki> Hi all. Anyone here who got experience with working in Singapore? I'm looking to be closer to my Indonesian fiance for a few years. Currently in the Netherlands
[19:44] <BluesKaj> Iwaki, this the wrong chat for your questrion
[19:44] <Iwaki> Sorry. You're right
[23:20] <abba> Hello, how to tell for how long is Kubuntu 17.04 zesty zapus?
[23:20] <abba> going to be supported
[23:28] <krytarik> abba: By checking the release notes, for example.
[23:45] <valorie> abba: approx. another 3 months
[23:49] <abba> ok
[23:49] <abba> thanks