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 (Photo, 723x818) https://irc.ubports.com/eyWcFdLa/file_1102.jpg
 something like this could benefit some people :)
 (Photo, 723x818) https://irc.ubports.com/BxzNXrsv/file_1104.jpg
 responsive whatsapp
 (Photo, 645x1223) https://irc.ubports.com/Rppu14fK/file_1106.jpg
 @samzn Tell us more, now...
 (Photo, 645x1224) https://irc.ubports.com/oYIGzMxJ/file_1107.jpg
 (Photo, 646x1224) https://irc.ubports.com/4BOjcjaw/file_1109.jpg
 This is whatapps I guess ? (A such long time i abandonned it included my friends using it :) )
 ya
 I'm unfucking it's design so the web client can work properly on the phone
 Dont you need an android phone anyways to login and use the web client?
 Ya, proprietary software sucks
 :(
 @PhoenixLandPirate, you have an old stuff running on the side no ?
 @samzn, How do you do it ?
 custom userstyles
 I'll inject javascript hooks if possible as well so it can bridge native notifications
 Ok i'm not familiar with that, it a webapp with an extra layer on top ?
 it's a modified webapp :)
 Ah ok cool, well done.
 sadly my boss forces me to use it
 Oh dear ! i'm sorry
 Does your boss know about email?
 Yes we are force to use Outlook ^^
 Ditto for uni
 @Alexander, Ok. Thanks! I didn't know that command. I got it working eventually without reflash. I fiddled with planemode and all the switches. Then I enabled wifi from battery stats page and then it started to work again.
 Having to depend on android to use the webapp sucks (whatsapp)
 @UniversalSuperBox, Microsoft? Following standards? Did hell freeze over?
[06:23] <fru[m]> i think whatsapp sucks
 ^^
 Sadly for me it's the standard used by my friends/family
[06:38] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @malditobastardo you can always try to tell them: do you want to tell me something? I am on Telegram, no what’s up , sorry. citation from  audio cast . Love and friendship tester mode 😜
[06:43] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> me only 853 friends
 Yeah of course I am working on it :) anyways it's hard to do the transition for now because of the video call thingy
 Everything else is ok for me for daily use
 I am using UT everyday as my primary device but I only need that to completely leave my secondary phone
 I know telegram doesn't have that feature yet in android even. Just in beta
[06:49] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> Just a morning  attempt for joke
[06:52] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> There is people already working on SIP I have heard on audiocast
 One day uMatriks hopefully will be enriched to the same features of riot. Or riot.im will provide a mobile design. Than, with matrix.org there is all the functionality of WhatsApp and more available ...
 Yeah I am waiting for that to happen soon tbh
 That will be a game changer
 Ok. I don't need video calls. But at least audio calls would be enough for me. I hope UBports team can achieve that in the future
 With telegram
 @samzn had changed the webapp of wa to be useful on ut. Maybe one can use his code for riot.im also.
 Even more he is trying to get notifications work with java script afaiu. This eventually could also be useful for a usable riot.im webapp.
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[07:18] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> @alan_griffiths, Hi alan, thanks for your great work and congratulations for landing 1.0 (@all; time to party mir 1.0 is ready 👻🍻🌈😜) 3 noob questions if i may ask: 1. The libmirclient/libwaylandclient is this the same as the compositor (e.g. kwin)? 2. Does this mean that walyand apps can run on a mir server AND mir apps can run on a wayland server or only one way? 3. On a different subject... if i want to rotate the whole yunit/U8 
[07:18] <tgBot> manually, do i need to adress mir or yunit?
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[09:58] <WhereIsT1inkey> hi'
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/GwqkrGn5/file_1110
 👀
[09:59] <WhereIsT1inkey> I heard in other channel someone just said:
[09:59] <WhereIsT1inkey> "I really liked the idea of the ubuntu phone but before it became really usable it ceased to exist"
[09:59] <WhereIsT1inkey> is it true ? no more ubuntu touch ?
 Humm
 Official support is dead afaik
 But not uborts
 yes, canonical stopped it
 but we have the community :)
[10:00] <WhereIsT1inkey> when ?
 now we have UBports
 in April they anounced it
 https://www.ubports.com/
 check it out :)
 Mhanz
[10:01] <WhereIsT1inkey> interesting, I don't remember when it was, this spring or last year spring, I think last year spring I been in #ubuntu-touch and had conversation about future of ubuntu phones, I was very sceptical but people convinced me that there are good amount of software and the phones are quite useful and they could be popular in next 2-3 years, and I actually believed and waited and now its discontinued ?
 it is NOT discontinued :)
 Ubports is the proest ubuntu touch ports
[10:03] <WhereIsT1inkey> and now, in some random channel I found out its dead
 it is continued by the UBports  😎
[10:03] <WhereIsT1inkey> I may check the link some day
[10:03] <WhereIsT1inkey> why are you all have that < tgBot> ?
[10:03] <WhereIsT1inkey> gateway ?
 I guess you are on the IRC
 and we are on the Telegram group
[10:04] <WhereIsT1inkey> yes, and you ?
 It is connected :)
 @demokrit atomos, Thanks, but 1.0 hasn't quite landed yet. … 1. no, libmirserver is the analog of qtwayland, mutter, kwin or weston … 2. no, only wayland apps run on any wayland server (Mir, qtwayland, mutter, kwin or weston) … 3. the libmirclient API supports that request, the yunit server would decide if/how to handle it. mirout (from mir-utils) provides a command-line to use this API. … PS could you ask 1 & 2 on the forum so that we 
[10:04] <tgBot> persist them and the answers?
[10:04] <WhereIsT1inkey> what is Telegram group ?
 Hi all
 @WhereIsT1inkey, This one
 https://telegram.org/
 all I'm running rc on my fp2
 fp2 but the upgrades for r7 and r8 don't appear
 I'm stuck no r6
 anyone else with this problem?
[10:06] <WhereIsT1inkey> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/10/windows-phone-is-now-officially-dead-a-sad-tale-of-what-mig
[10:07] <WhereIsT1inkey> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/10/windows-phone-is-now-officially-dead-a-sad-tale-of-what-might-have-been/
[10:07] <WhereIsT1inkey> somewhat related
[10:09] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> @alan_griffiths, Thanks for the quick answer!! Will repost this in the forums in the evening when at home.
[10:32] <tgBot> Pajlow was added by: Pajlow
 @demokrit atomos, "forums"? For the avoidance of doubt, I meant the forum I posted the diagram in.
[10:33] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> That's what i understood as well xD 👍
 @DiogoConstantino, Same with M10 FHD
 I am downloading version 9 now in a N5
 50.6mb
 are there an app to record screen in UT?
[11:24] <tgBot> christianin was added by: christianin
 @christianin, welcome
 @vanyasem, Thanks You!
 how to install Ubuntu on microsoft lumia 535?
 and an app like shazam?
 @christianin, I do not think this is possible, at least at the moment. I don't believe it will be either. There's some really big difficulties getting something onto a Windows phone.
 does it have a lineageOS port?
 then there's a fighting chance if someone spends time on it
 @christianin, I can understand how you would want to but it isn't like loading distros on a laptop. Each phone takes a lot of work and only a few are supported at the moment
 @Stereofont, Sad situation. But I will try
 @christianin, Sorry not supported ATM. Is this a Windows Mobile device from recent years? x86?
 @Flohack, yes
 @Flohack, The newer ones are x86?!
 @samzn, Every time it works on a different IS, they change the encryption...
 @Schyken, no
 @christianin, Ah, I misunderstood. I was excited for a moment 😆
 @Schyken, 😂😂😂
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/moeiF4nO/file_1112.png
 Nexus 4 and 5, Fairphone 2, OnePlusOne your options for now
 and Meizu Pro5, don't forgeted. I get a great surprise with this device and it's my only device. I have an Android mobile on table to get whatsapp web.
 Agreed. I was thinking about availability
[11:49] <tgBot> <Stefan Kalb> @DiogoConstantino, Me on opo. Also still r6. Anybody already filed a bug report?
 @Stefan Kalb, Maybe it is intentional?
 It has a very good rear camera but front it's bad in house, it need a more powerful flash, rear will be better too with that accesory. …  With Telegram, Dekko (waiting for Dekko2), flas (radio), cloud music (need get better), podbird, timer (I think this function has to be native), uchanger, unav, pdfviewer. You can use only device. …  But I would like that I can see Netflix, Amazon video with browser (useragent) because to subway or bus I use moo
[12:05] <tgBot> and it's very important libreoffice compatibility in mobile or desktop (miracast with tv). And UT tweak tools has to be native, too. …  And the scopes, I like a lot the expirience and using rss (has to be native  and run well) or today scope (I prefer info today or wheather but mine don't get) but if I do some list player, I would like see that list in my music's scope, no the aritst or album, so another option. Or in video scope have to be different your rec
[12:05] <tgBot> downloaded videos, like youtube scope or anotherservice similar service.
 very important too, carddav sync. With task calendar app sync by next cloud or owncloud.
 I've tried the witget expirience in Android and scopes is more better, nice and useful.
[12:16] <tgBot> Biffalo was added by: Biffalo
 @Biffalo, welcome
 I know I'm late to the Ubuntu Touch game but I got bored and purchased a Nexus 5 just to try it.
 Better late than never
 you are not late
 Cool
 you are `just in time` in fact
 @vanyasem, Oh? Well that's good then.
 sure! have you flashed ubports yet?
 @vanyasem, Yup. Just flashed and booted stable 15.04 I'm assuming wiki stating that 16.04 is not ready yet is correct?
 scopes and all apps crash
 I couldn't even finish configuring it
 @Montefrio, Yes it will
 So what is the skinny on the future of Ubuntu Touch. I know canonical killed it but UBports took over etc. Is there a roadmap or something for project goals etc?
 @Biffalo, https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/milestone/6
 @shinyhairsmylifeambition, thanks!
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 @samzn, Are you norwgian? I see some norwegian letters in there :P
 Is the browser not working on the BQ E5HD build, or is it just mine?
 @Jo_Led, Browser should be fine on all builds
 No noise about this in the moment I think
 @mariogrip, Norwegian, more like, NO rwegian
 Any proposals for a troubleshooting? I have no idea how to proceed. When I click the browser, it seems like it's opening (screen with browser logo) for one second, then closes it.
 @PhoenixLandPirate, Never liked Norwegian people. Especially the ones from Bergen. :P
 @samzn, well, where can we get it? and use with telegram like in Android.
[13:53] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> Porting unity-system-compositor to MirAL · Issue #1 · yunit-io/unity-system-compositor · GitHub … https://github.com/yunit-io/unity-system-compositor/issues/1
[13:55] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> Might be cool for developement if someone from our sidr could have a look at this, sorry if i annoy our busy devs but just read it and thought maybe anyone else is interested...
 @Jaume81, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ScreenRecording
 @Mohannes, This
 @PhoenixLandPirate, And when there name begins with M it's just an extra kicker!
 Hi after the last update my phone (Nexus 4) looks like stuck in the bootloader (the screen with the Google logo)...
 Garro
 when was the last update?
 devel channel?
 Today
 devel or stable channel?
 On the devel channel (or rc I', not sure)
 i have flashed my nexus 4 4 days ago with ubports installer
 devel channel
 ubuntu-build 20171002
 and it works well, but since them i have no updates
 Garro
 just checked the update , there is no one
 this is strange...
 are you
 It may be the same of 4 days ago
 on this buil too?
 build
 How can I check?
 ubuntu-build 20171002
 system settings
 scroll down
 over
 klick
 then you see all the Infos
 @Montefrio, It does not boot up... 😔
 then try reboot to the bootloader
 hold the buttons power and volume down
 and from bootloader pull the buttom volum up to the revovery
 and from there
 reboot system
 earlier it worked for me
 or reflash it with ubport installer -mauell option without wipe
 should work
 Garro
[16:41] <tgBot> NikosChat was added by: NikosChat
 @Montefrio, Thank you I'm flashing the stable now
 @Montefrio, Yes?
 ok , devel freeze time to time
 after reboot works again
 Yeah, and N4 is my daily driver
 but i dont want to go back to android
 That's why I'm going to stable
 good , ok
 UBports installer is really nice
 yes :)
 work well on arch linux too
 Garro , everything went well?
[17:57] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> @monte; if you add an "@" before the user you want to reach (Garro ;-p) he/she gets an notification and a button to click to get dorectly to that message even if 1k messages were sent by othet people inbetween, just fyi...
 ok thx
 @samzn, we complain about 'human rights' like 'my boss forces me to where high heels' and raise a big stink but we let bosses do this to us!  Unacceptable!  #audiocast
 Garro is a Boy :)
[17:59] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> K, thx
 @Garro , everything went well?
[18:16] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> @alan_griffiths, just posted our little dialog on your thread in the forum: https://community.ubuntu.com/t/mir-architecture/467
 demokrit ack
[18:21] <tgBot> NikosChat was added by: NikosChat
 what would you guys think of a exynos kernel port?
 I want some challenging kernel work
 exynos is samsungs proprietary kernels with no driver blobs, but I can get the specs on most of the stuff I would need to write myself
 Like, they use stuff with opensourced drivers but don't share the drivers that they have modded to work with the android exynos kernel, so I'd have to mod the linux drivers to comply with android standards
 a exynos kernel with a generic mali T series gpu driver, would make a log of samsung phones easy targets for porting
 but it would have to comply with halium standards which would take some time and research beyond just supporting hardware
 Are the kernels they have mainlined?
 They have a mainline exynos kernel, but they mod it privately for every device, and only recently started sharing the source code for them. Most android ROM developers don't even touch exynos phones because it's hard to make them boot let alone work properly
 the stuff they do provide, comes with no documentation or useful information
 it would be a fun challenge
 I'd be more compelling to have a "normal" linux distro without libhybris running, if that'd be easier than Android.
 I'm not sure how i would pull it off, but I've never failed to learn what I need as I go and get the job done
 It'd be more compelling*
 Well, I could make a normal linux kernel boot on an android phone if that's something you'd like me to do. I'd have to backport features and we'd still depend on the HAL
 Ah, darn.
 but otherwise, I already had a mainline linux kernel running on nexus 5 with wifi and sshd before I joined you guys
 but it had a HAL and used android driver blobs
 so it's doable, but it's not as easy as using an android based system
 Probably better to fall on Android, then...
 I would personally rather see us using as little android stuff as possible while still supporting android devices, but that's not my decision, I'm just a volunteer i'm not in change
 Yes, a completely mainlined device without any Android bits would be the ideal future. But... Doesn't seem possible.
 Or at least, it hasn't been done yet
 Meizu pro5 has a Exynos 7420
 That's true. Ubuntu Touch runs on the Pro 5. Its Android device tree is closed-source, though
 @LarreaMikel cool! but it's not samsung, and samsung killed opensource by giving half-broken undocumented stuff when they finally released anything at all
 Looking at our device survey...
 I'm really just brainstorming for future right now while I wake up enough to actually do something productive
 Yeah, meizu is not Very good to open source neither.
 @UniversalSuperBox, Isnt't this what the Librem 5 project is about?
 The Pro 5 gets 2.66% of all (~2000) respondants
 @Guido, Yes. But. It doesn't exist yet. We're not going to make decisions now based on things that will happen.
 It is the dream, and we'll see what happens with it.
 @UniversalSuperBox, Sure. But maybe in the future this might be the way to go if things get more cleared.
 @UniversalSuperBox, But a nice dream though! ☺️
 we have to dream in order do push ourselves to new levels of skill and ability
 if you just stick to what you know, you never grow
 @mariogrip, Jeg har vært i norge før
 Really wanna come back there
 @UniversalSuperBox, I have not fulfilled any survey... Sry. (writting from my pro5 device). ;)
 Oh, right. Need the regular stats page too.
 heh
 I have an s7 exynos, and an s5 neo, and those devices are very similar so porting to one, would make porting to the other easy
 Grr, what's the Pro 5's codename? -_-
 but first I want to port to bullhead
 @UniversalSuperBox, Although @UniversalSuperBox might seem like a party pooper, he's right.  No matter what I encourage everyone to keep blazing forward exactly as we have been making Ubuntu Touch work on as many devices as possible and as awesome as possible.
 @UniversalSuperBox, Oh... And still using canonical version ( It's my daily driver) :)
[18:43] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> btw, building an x86 ubports image (with yunit, mir0.28/1.0 and snaps) would be the road to this wonderful no-android device (we'd just have to build for armhf/arm64 later on when the librem 5 or else gets available and all those people with x86 tablets would be our alpha/beta testers before that happens
 @UniversalSuperBox, Turbo
 Thank you
 I think
 Turbo makes up 6.5% of the requests to the update server
 FWIW thanks to anyone who's put work in on Ubuntu Touch.  The concept of an open mobile OS is a project worth supporting. I've signed up as a patron as of now.
 With Hammerhead and Krillin eating the majority of everyone else's lunch
 @Biffalo, Thank you!
 @Biffalo, thanks!
 lol "lunch"
 Currently on galaxy s8, but am going to try UBtouch on Hammerhead and see if I can replicate my workflows to it.
 hammerhead works great:D
 I use it as one of my 3 phones that I actually have service for
 like it's broken from updates a few times, but otherwise it's usable as a phone, not just to try out something for the future
 @bastos777, 👍
 @Biffalo, Convergence on the S8 seems it could be excellent
 The hardware has all the needed features, DeX itself is a twist on the convergence concept
 @samzn, Yeah samsung has a thing that does convergence pretty well already. I just want a change of pace and want to try to untether myself from as many closed services as I can.
 :D
 Awesome there is a Subsonic app.
 halium porting instructions don't work lol
 I'm allowed to deviate from them when the instructions fail i assume?
 Well, yeah. What are you stuck on?
 building ninja_wrapper
 Well, ninja_wrapper fails when anything inside it fails.
 The error will be a bit further up
 it also doesn't work in cm-14.1 with bullhead, so it's a lineage issue
 Have you commented out all of `vendor/lge/bullhead/Android.mk`? https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/issues/23
 I know @UniversalSuperBox , but I've tried everything related to every message I saw, and the only thing I can think of without rewriting half the stuff related to it, is to pull in some code from aosp
 @UniversalSuperBox Well, as opposed to commenting out a whole file, i just renamed it so the makefile tree doesn't find it
 moved it to Android.bak
 Alright. Thing is, I'm pretty sure that bullhead builds fine. Maybe @bhushanshah can give a better answer.
 @UniversalSuperBox It may buld fine, but not following exactly the halium-7.1 porting guide
 https://github.com/Halium/android_device_lge_bullhead/pull/1/commits/d9d1ab21c4b369b7dfc236867ed3fc9d28fdd8d3
 Sometimes you have to troubleshoot guides because they are outdated in relation to what they are talking about
 These may also be required
 thank you @UniversalSuperBox
 I'll try that as well
 Yeah, forgot about that one.
 but I assume it's okay to deviate from official porting guide when it fails to build with exact guide instruction?
 Hasn't been merged yet because Bhushan wasn't sure about every edit in it. Maybe change one file at a time and see what changes so we can find what is exactly the culprit?
 I mean, I made a gitlab repo, so you;; be able to see my changes
 it's private for now but I'll invite people to it as needed
 @Xorpad, Sure, but Bullhead is one of the devices that is being built 'in-house', so it should at least build
 @UniversalSuperBox It should, but it's not, so either my build environment is messed up, or the guide is outdated compared to the files it tells me to use
 I could try setting up a fresh linux install
 What are you building on?
 should I?
 Lubuntu 17.04
 with latest stable kernel from kernel.org
 I ended up using debootstrap to make myself a 16.04 chroot.
 ahh, well that's why I ordered the raspberry pi 3, so I can do it on bare metal
 I'm setting it up now
 took me a while to find my sd card
 I don't know if the Android build system can actually do a bare metal build
 Ironically
 We'll, i'll find out
 anyways, as far as for building packages and things to put on ubuntu phone it's great, because I can set it up to have all the same libraries and configurations as ubports and dynamically link against things I know will be on the target device
 I've done that to make binaries for my hammerhead with the pi2
 simpler than using debootstrap to create a chroot and forcing everything through qemu
 and it's also nice to know I have it for other purposes if needed
 I use the chroot for building Android. We've an ARM server for packages now. :)
 @UniversalSuperBox, Ooh! One of those big lotsa core ARM servers? :O
 I know but this is a useful tool in general to have around incase i need it
 and I don't need you to give me access to your server to use it:D
 I mean, giving someone access to a server is srs bsns
 @Schyken, 64 of them, to be exact
 @UniversalSuperBox, :D I like those 👌
 I have a 64 core skylake server I have access too, could run a chroot with qemu on that and compile like a boss
 but it's expensive as heck
 and I don't know if I'll keep renting it
 jeeeez
 With your TR, I guess there's really no point
 I got 3 months for really cheap because the hosting provider needed money to pay his employees, so I got 3 months for $600, but after that the price goes up to the actual price of $700 a month if I want to keep it and I can't afford that
 he was like begging me to rent anything I wanted as much as I wanted for $600 so he could make payroll
 That's... really sad
 yeah, but it worked good for both of us, and now he still has a chance to recover his business
 Oh hey, you're building for an aarch64 device now. :P
 I know:D
 Once you get a rootfs on that bad boy, I have the steps that will start you toward getting Unity running on it.
 cool!
 well, after I get the halium stuff done, I'm gonna make a rootfs
 and I won't turn down help:D
 rootfs itself seems pretty simple to build, but everything that goes on top I don't know how to make
 of course, even without help I'd eventually figure it out
 just could take long long time
 I've never attempted something in programming and completely failed, it may take me way longer than it should, it may be a hackish way of doing it, but I always find a way
 the few times I've hit road blocks, I got depressed because I couldn't do it, but all those things, I later went back and succeeded at
 It starts from the base Halium rootfs. Do you have a copy of that from the docs?
 no, I just have a general idea how I would go about making one
 Eh, prebuilt would be easier
 Let me get that link
 it sure would, but does Halium have one for arm64/aarch64?
 thanks @UniversalSuperBox
 bshah.in/halium/halium-rootfs-20170630-151006.tar.gz
[20:08] <vanyasem> Xorpad: yep, it works with arm64
[20:08] <vanyasem> i believe it's multiarch
 oh, I already have that lol, I went to download it and it renamed the file to make it show it as the second version i downloaded
 That'll do it.
 cool, well, I'll be needing it sooner or later
 You'll also need plain-jane TWRP installed on your fancy phone
[20:09] <tgBot> LaVerdaBirdo was added by: LaVerdaBirdo
 well, hi there!
 easy enough
 welcome @LaVerdaBirdo
[20:10] <vanyasem> Xorpad: real talk think about it man
 HI,  Thanks
 vanyasem, what do you mean real talk?
 I'm also confused
 Welcome @LaVerdaBirdo! - Is the latest 16.04 testable so far, that I can revert to 15.04 w/o problems?
[20:11] <vanyasem> Xorpad: that's a quote "easy easy real talk"
[20:11] <vanyasem> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kqGUpgA9m4
[20:11] <vanyasem> (sorry for the ot)
 I don't understand still
 lol
[20:12] <vanyasem> just watch the video above
 @nfsprodriver, You can test it on the Nexus 5 only. It isn't  very fun to run since the Apps scope crashes right away and you're left with the Unity desktop
 I did
 Blank
 are you saying I'm making it sound too easy or something?
 Well, I think it's pretty easy. :P
[20:13] <vanyasem> it's just a quote i used for no reason
 Now that I know how to do it
[20:13] <vanyasem> relax ;)
 vanyasem Okay cool
 just was confused
 @UniversalSuperBox, Can I go back to 15.04, so does network and ssh work? Does it have latest halium kernel?
 and I'm used to people on freenode not liking me
 @nfsprodriver, You can't switch back and forth, no
 It's a wipe
 Hm, thank you!
 @Xorpad, am i on freenode now?
 @vanyasem I didn't realize that was you:P
 Aaaaanyway. After you've got everything built, you can use http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/deploying-rootfs.html to deploy the rootfs and Android.
 If it doesn't work, there's an alternate script to use. :P
[20:15] <vanyasem> https://gist.github.com/JBBgameich/498c54686636a615aaf8ddfcbf9484d4
 Yep, that one.
[20:15] <vanyasem> here's a link to an alternative script
 thanks @UniversalSuperBox I think I should get back to work rather than just keep chatting about it
 Yep. If you get another build error, paste.ubuntu.com it and we'll see what we can do.
 Sure @UniversalSuperBox but half the fun is finding the fix myself, so I'll try on my own first and ask for help if it becomes a time sink and unproductive
[20:59] <jarlath> Does Podbird have an owner at the moment?
[20:59] <jarlath> There are a few issues with it. Nothing stopping it working but it freezes for a few minute after some operations.
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 Okay... So... building ninja_wrapper fails in cm-14.1 and aosp, as well as in the halium-7.1 tree, so it must be my build environment
 What linux version/distro should I install?
 Ubuntu 16.04
 any derivative will do as well
 i use elementary OS 4.1 Loki based on Ubuntu 16.04 :)
[22:03] <xorpad> Okay, well, first I'm trying to figure out if I'm just building it the wrong way
[22:03] <xorpad> for one thing, the build instructions say to use the lunch combo cm_bullhead-userdebug
[22:03] <xorpad> but you have to use lineage_bullhead-userdebug
[22:03] <xorpad> the instructions are not up to date with halium 7.1
 Ooh. Which instructions?
 the official page on porting to new devices
 I'm manuallly doing things the build tree doesn't in an attempt to make things work
 there is a note on that page
 that says to use breakfast codename with halium 7.1 and linegae 14.1
 you should `not` use lunch with halium 7.1
 read carefully
[22:13] <xorpad> I see
[22:13] <xorpad> breakfast provides same results
[22:14] <xorpad> I did read that, but I didn't do it, lol, I forgot about using breakfast but I just tried now and same result
 what exactly is the error you're getting?
[22:14] <xorpad> there is circular dependencies of ninja_wrapper so it doesn't build it
 also, could we maybe move to the haliup chat
[22:15] <xorpad> sure sorry
 @xorpad, could you please copy the exact error
 @jarlath, wasn't that ... mike sheldon?
 (Photo, 635x1129) https://irc.ubports.com/nzf4auN0/file_1115.jpg
 (Photo, 635x1129) https://irc.ubports.com/SomIJ7fX/file_1117.jpg
 I think the responsive experience is almost app like now
 I will ubuntufy it :)
 discord is a piece of shit but people from freelance work also use it
 what is this? and thanks for doing it... whatever it is. :)
 oh... nevermind
 must be 'discord'
 thanks for your contributions!  is this first time working on UT?
 ...wait! is this the thing Joe (in here) said that the cool kids use in skool?
 @exar_kun ! is this that?
 @Mohannes, Hey!
 @samzn, oji :)
 @wayneoutthere, I would say that's pretty much true, it's mostly used by so called *gamers*
 It's marketed toward them
 But it's just a really damn good team communication platform
 It's a lot like slack
 But discord is Def good for groups. Privacy policy is jenky and they have been known to ban servers they don't agree with
 ok i see.  well this is still news
 thanks
 Telegram is better :)
 @wayneoutthere, Yeah that