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oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers!05:29
kozao/05:30
jibelmorning05:30
oSoMoNhey koza, jibel05:36
didrocksgood morning05:39
oSoMoNsalut didrocks05:41
dufluMorning oSoMoN, koza, jibel, didrocks, seb12806:13
oSoMoNhey duflu06:20
duflukoza, did we cancel today's meeting? the calendar says not06:22
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dokoseb128: what's your plan for fixing the libcdio ftbfs? the debian BTS has a patch, but that looks like an ABI change too. otoh there is a new upstream ...06:59
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ricotzoSoMoN, hi, would be good to get libreoffice 5.4.2 in artful07:29
ricotz(given the large amount of bug fixes https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/5.4.2/RC1#List_of_fixed_bugs)07:31
didrocksTrevinho: I think you did a booboo in the theme change07:46
didrocksTrevinho: have you tested it with gnome-terminal?07:46
Trevinhodidrocks: yeah, I posted the screenshots here07:46
Trevinhodidrocks: what you mean?07:47
didrocksTrevinho: https://imgur.com/a/qPgwA07:47
didrocksTrevinho: for me, it's even darker than previous proposal07:47
didrockslike a big dark bar07:47
didrocksand between top bar and menu07:47
Trevinhooh, let me see what it has been pushed then07:47
didrocksTrevinho: ironically, it looks better when not selected :p07:48
Trevinhoweird let me check again...07:50
kozaduflu, sorry for lack of re. i have changed network in between and this makes the ssh connection to whee the irssi is running stall08:03
kozaduflu, i believe we have not, it is only will who is in NY08:03
dufluYeah, I read the email08:04
alexarnaudhello all08:11
Trevinhodidrocks: mh, looks fine here08:22
Trevinhohttps://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/KU6XXyEi/08:22
Trevinhodidrocks: are you maybe running some other version? Or hacked theme? as here it seems to go well, in any case introspect the terminal and check what line causes the menubar to be like that and what the decoration please08:28
didrocksTrevinho: no, I just have your package installed, let me get the line08:28
didrocksTrevinho: hum, I can't select the title bar in gnome-terminal08:29
didrocksTrevinho: as I think it's drawn by the Shell, no?08:29
Trevinhodidrocks: in wayland you can08:29
didrocksTrevinho: I'm on Xorg08:29
didrocksTrevinho: as I'm hacking the Shell08:30
Trevinhodidrocks: mh, ok.. I've tested both to be fair08:30
Trevinhobut.08:30
didrocksbut? ;)08:31
Trevinhodidrocks: ... but let me double-check08:31
Trevinhoand so I did08:31
Trevinhoand it works fin in both wayland and xorg here08:31
didrockshum08:32
Trevinhostrange08:32
didrocksso, I need to switch to wayland to pick the color and rule applied?08:32
Trevinhodidrocks: no, restarting the shell and setting/unsetting ambiance should be enough08:32
Trevinhofrom tweaks or cmdline08:32
didrocksTrevinho: interesting, after restarting the shell, it's way better08:33
TrevinhoI mean evne with alt+f2 r should do it (so I did all the times)08:33
Trevinhoah, ok... fair08:33
didrocksbut the previous value was weird, it wasn't exactly the one with previous theme08:33
didrocksI wonder if some values are partially picked08:33
Trevinhothe theme doesn't apply to mutter without restarting (bug known, I will fix it one day :))08:33
didrocksand not all until restart08:33
didrocksTrevinho: ok, to be picky, just a little bit too bright this time too quickly08:34
didrocks(which makes the top dark becoming quickly light)08:34
didrockswant a screenshot to confirm?08:34
Trevinholet me see08:34
didrocksif you can move the gradient to become this level of light, like 10% more down08:35
didrocksI guess that would perfect to me08:35
didrocksI like the backdrop state08:35
didrocksand headerbar as well08:35
TrevinhoI tried moving the gradient but I wasn't too happy, but let me se it again08:35
Trevinhoyou said you want 10% more down to be come lighter or darker?08:38
Trevinhoah, saw it.. so later to be light..08:39
TrevinhoThe problem is that with apps with no menubar...08:39
TrevinhoIt won't look too nice in these08:39
Trevinhodidrocks: ^08:39
Trevinhocheck xterm08:39
didrockseven with few % later to be light?08:40
didrockslike 5-10?08:40
Trevinholet's see08:40
didrocksif you point me to the change, I can just have a try with those values08:40
didrocksbut yeah, I confirm that we need to take the xterm case into account08:40
Trevinhohttps://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/B3YXBNaV/08:46
Trevinhohttps://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/xLpDbLNZ/08:46
Trevinhodidrocks: ^08:46
Trevinhothat's with lighter using 0.2 more08:46
Trevinhoerr, sorry, darker stay 0.2 more08:46
Trevinho20% i mean08:47
didrocksTrevinho: I like it better, do you mind pastebin the diff so that I can try live?08:48
didrocks(thunderbird, terminal & xterm)08:48
didrocksor just tell me when changing the %08:48
Trevinhodidrocks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25718782/08:49
Trevinhodidrocks: feel free to play with it, as it's quite late here... :)08:50
TrevinhoI'm turning off my machine soon :P08:50
didrocksTrevinho: go to bed :)08:53
didrocksTrevinho: I prefer 0.108:53
didrocksBUT08:53
didrocksthe only last remaining one08:53
didrocksis thunderbird08:53
Trevinhomh08:53
didrocksit looks ugly08:53
Trevinhooh08:54
didrockslet me pastebin a screnshot08:54
Trevinhotrue08:54
TrevinhoI see it08:54
didrocksah ;)08:54
didrocksgood08:54
didrocksso thunderbird fix + 0.1 instead of 0.2 IMHO08:54
didrocks(and good to ship :p)08:54
didrocks(there is still tomorrow for this ;))08:54
Trevinhowell, firefox is the same... eh, that's why I did a different vesion before08:54
didrocksI guess the issue is the menu bar being too dark08:55
didrocksit should be the same color than gnome-terminal menu for instance08:55
didrocksbut really, go to bed :p08:55
didrockswe are nearly there!08:55
Trevinhoeh, this issue was the reason for http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/use-inverted-decoration-gradient-on-maximized-windows/revision/58108:57
Trevinhobut we can't do it with three stops, it's too visible08:57
Trevinhoso, let me find alternatives08:57
Trevinhotomorrow...08:58
didrocksyep!08:58
didrockshave a good night Trevinho :)08:58
Trevinhodidrocks: mh, I guess thunderbird / ff doesn't expose the .maximized class... that's why09:01
dufluseb128, hanging out?09:02
seb128duflu, sorry, forgot to decline the meeting, I was out until now and I'm sick/have no much voice09:04
seb128good morning desktopers09:04
dufluk09:04
seb128doko, libcdio? I've no clue about it and no plan09:05
seb128doko, is that something we are supposed to look at?09:05
seb128ricotz, oSoMoN, it seems a bit late to land a libreoffice update, freeze is tomorrow09:05
seb128night Trevinho09:06
flexiondotorgMorning seb12809:09
Trevinhodidrocks: it seems that selecting these maximized windows isn't possible...09:13
seb128hey flexiondotorg, how are you?09:13
TrevinhoSo....09:13
Trevinhoonly thing I can think of is something like09:13
Trevinhohttps://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Zp6iiElG/09:13
Trevinhonot that I like much...09:13
dokoseb128: yes, according to the owned packages ...09:14
flexiondotorgWishing I hadn't been up until 2am "testing" gaming on Ubuntu 17.10 ;-)09:14
seb128doko, where is that list again?09:14
Trevinhoanyway bed for real09:14
Trevinhocheers09:14
seb128flexiondotorg, haha09:14
seb128Trevinho, night!09:14
didrocksTrevinho: isn't the issue in the menu color?09:15
dokoseb128: enoclue ... but desktop-team is the bug subscriber09:15
didrockssee you later Trevinho :)09:15
seb128doko, I see09:16
didrocksseb128: I feel that the even/odd lines aren't too cool on rows with only one time, and even when you start a row…09:17
didrocksfor g-c-c-09:17
didrockshttps://imgur.com/a/Sd4zq09:18
didrockssee the 3 panels09:18
seb128didrocks, yeah, looks better without the alternance imho09:19
didrocksI would though impact the odd instead of even09:19
didrockscould work out, maybe?09:19
seb128yeah, well I think it looks better all white personally and it seems a bit late to change it now for this cycle, wdyt?09:23
dufluDid someone say all white?... :)   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-themes/+bug/172169309:28
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1721693 in ubuntu-themes (Ubuntu) "Settings list separators conflict visually with list item backgrounds" [Low,New]09:28
didrocksseb128: agreed, and following more adwaita09:29
didrocksseb128: let's see, the build is almost done09:29
seb128cool09:29
seb128duflu, adwaita has sort of the same issue, separators are not very visible09:29
dufluseb128, yeah but I don't know of anyone who prefers the Ambiance list over Adwaita09:30
didrocksseb128: yeah, clearly not looking nice: https://imgur.com/a/I2jqm09:30
seb128didrocks, weird looking indeed09:30
dufludidrocks, seb128, I have two identical monitors... one for 16.04 and one for 17.10 and it actually looks worse (higher contrast) on the 17.1009:31
didrocksok, let's drop this, I have the fix for the highlight part and the theme GTK_THEME respect09:31
dufluMaybe something weird with 16.04 colour management when I view the screenshot09:31
seb128great09:31
seb128thanks didrocks09:31
didrocksduflu: waow09:31
* didrocks bzr uncommit; bzr revert09:31
dufluI mean I can't tell what you're seeing... because I am seeing the list two different ways on two different monitors09:32
duflu... all the more reason to recommend everyone who does graphical things should calibrate their monitors09:34
didrocksduflu: with or without calibration, it doesn't change that the 2 colors next to each other are merging with the background color09:35
didrockswhich looks weird09:35
didrocks(as they are exactly the same)09:35
dufluYeah I guess if you were choosing new alternating colours then I would be concerned about the monitor of the person choosing the colours09:36
dufluWithout alternation it's fine09:36
didrocksyeah, let's follow Adwaita and fix the other issues09:37
dufluIn other news... I had a happy thought today. I suspect we're already seeing fewer unique crashes in gnome-shell than we did with unity8 development. Just a suspicion.09:39
seb128changing location, brb09:40
jibelduflu, agreed, that's what errors.u.c seems to confirm too09:46
jibelis gnome-boxes working for anyone? it crashes on start for me10:09
didrocksworks here10:16
seb128back10:16
popeylaunches here10:16
didrocksjibel: have you messed with the vm manually?10:16
seb128what are you guys trying?10:17
jibeldidrocks, no10:17
didrockslike removing in libvirt10:17
jibeldidrocks, bug 172125810:17
ubot5bug 1721258 in gnome-boxes (Ubuntu) "gnome-boxes crashed with SIGABRT in g_assertion_message()" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172125810:17
jibelnot alone10:17
didrockswhen I got crash on startup, it was when I removed the metadata in ~/.config ou something like that10:18
didrocksI needed to clean all vms10:18
didrocksusing virsh directly10:18
popeyI ran it clean, never run it before. So not the same experience as you.10:18
jibelI don't have any VM10:18
didrockshum, I have one, but popey has 0…10:19
didrocks        s = 0x55e8f49758e0 "assertion failed: (default_connection != null)"10:19
didrockswonder if that's related10:19
didrocksvirsh list is empty? (maybe the VM was created via virt-manager a while ago or so)10:20
jibelvirsh list --all is empty10:21
jibelI never use it10:21
jibelwell, rarely10:22
didrockssounds like something to ping upstream about maybe?10:22
didrocksteuf is responsive to some of our boxes issue (ofc, as any french guys ;))10:23
oSoMoNbien sûr10:27
flexiondotorgdidrocks seb128 While debugging an issue with the Atom snap I've seen that gvfs-bin binaries regress on 17.1010:39
seb128flexiondotorg, how so?10:39
flexiondotorgExecutables for things like `gvfs-trash` still exist but don't do anything other the print an notice stating that you should now use `gio trash` instead.10:40
flexiondotorgSo any applications shelling out to gvfs-* no longer function correctly.10:41
flexiondotorgAh, I take that back. gvfs-trash is also deleting the file.10:42
seb128flexiondotorg, the gvds command still work, they just display the notice to tell you using the new binary10:42
flexiondotorgThanks seb128. Just tested that. Sorry for the noise.10:43
seb128no worry10:43
andyrockseb128: hey I saw you reverted that patch, as soon as I get my multimonitor setup situation fixed I'll take a quick look to see if I can fix it10:58
andyrockmaybe we don't need to sru it but we can discuss with upstream10:58
jameshseb128: O10:59
jameshbah10:59
andyrockto see if they can accept it and maybe have that feature for 18.0410:59
jameshseb128: I've got a patch for bug 1720331 -- the gnome-c-c patch alone should help, but the whoopsie-preferences one would make things a lot more solid10:59
ubot5bug 1720331 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Whoopsie continually relaunching" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172033110:59
seb128andyrock, thanks11:01
seb128jamesh, ah, nice11:01
oSoMoNseb128, can you  merge/sponsor https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/gdm/language-switching/+merge/331980 ?11:05
seb128oSoMoN, so the workaround is what you recommend for us/this cycle?11:07
oSoMoNseb128, yes, that's what I would recommend11:10
seb128oSoMoN, wfm, thanks11:11
oSoMoNseb128, I'll continue discussing the issue with halfline to hopefully come to a solution that can be upstreamed, but given final freeze is tomorrow, if we want this fixed for 17.10 we have to go for that workaround11:12
seb128agreed11:12
seb128thanks11:12
oSoMoN(which appears to be solid enough, given the limited testing Gunnar and myself did)11:12
seb128didrocks, should I just upload that or did you want to have a look/do something about the fallback session thing today11:15
oSoMoNricotz, will try to (but time is running out…) as soon as I'm done with bug #1718446 (and sorry for the delayed answer)11:15
ubot5bug 1718446 in gdm3 (Ubuntu) "Ensure wayland -> xorg fallback to the corresponding session" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/171844611:15
oSoMoNseb128, didrocks : I'm still experimenting with a less intrusive solution for the fallback bug, will keep you posted if that bears fruits11:16
seb128k, let's get that locale issue fix in the queue11:16
seb128we can always stack another revision on top later today if needed11:17
oSoMoNyup11:17
seb128oSoMoN, et uploadé/mergé, merci !11:23
oSoMoNcheers11:24
didrocksseb128: "that" being? I only see a language switching MP here?11:30
didrocksah, I see what you meant11:31
didrocksthat being gdm11:31
didrockswithout the other fix for the fallback session11:31
didrocks(sorry, was answering on the hub)11:31
seb128didrocks, right11:31
seb128now we have a stack in the queue11:34
seb128we should perhaps try to poke reviewers :p11:34
ricotzoSoMoN, ok, the packages are basically there in the ppa already11:34
ricotzchrisccoulson, please push your packaging branches12:03
andyrockquick question: if I a g_assert(false) is reached, should apport collect the crash info in /var/crash ?12:26
seb128yes12:27
andyrockit doesn't work here12:27
andyrockI'm on artful12:27
seb128you can look at /var/log/apport.log to see why it didn't, there might be a reason in there12:27
andyrockkk thanks12:27
andyrockthere is not such a log here12:28
andyrockapport should be enabled12:28
seb128andyrock, systemctl status apport?12:28
andyrockseb128: maked as dead12:29
seb128that's your issue I guess12:29
andyrock*marked12:29
seb128any info in the log at the bottom?12:29
seb128andyrock, what do you have in /etc/default/apport ?12:29
andyrockhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/25719810/12:30
andyrockyep12:30
andyrockit's enabled in /etc/default/apport12:30
seb128sudo systemctl start apport ?12:30
andyrockI think I'm not the only one12:30
seb128then status?12:30
andyrockI'm asking because I sent a ppa to collect more debug to some users but no report is collected12:30
andyrocklet me check12:31
andyrockit started12:31
andyrockmaybe it dies after the crash12:31
seb128and if you trigger the assert now?12:31
seb128does it work?12:32
andyrockchecking...12:32
seb128you can ask the user if they have apport enabled in /etc/default/apport and what's the systemctl status12:32
seb128because we have some issues that don't get collected for some reasons12:32
seb128like XWayland segfault don't trigger report in my experience12:32
seb128which is pretty annoying and I don't know why, would need to debug12:33
didrocksandyrock: hey, I couldn't ping you on the hub, are you subscribed?12:34
andyrockdidrocks: yes I am12:35
andyrockseb128: now it worked12:35
didrocksandyrock: ah, @and… didn't give me anything12:35
seb128andyrock, good!12:35
didrocksandyrock: can you respond to https://community.ubuntu.com/t/status-of-the-top-icons/495/8 ?12:35
andyrocktry with @azzar1?12:35
didrocksah, that was it :)12:35
didrocksyou are hiding!12:35
andyrockI've to change my irc nickname12:36
didrocks;)12:36
didrocksedited!12:36
andyrockI need a way to handle the switch12:36
seb128hidding on IRC as well? ;-)12:37
andyrockahaha12:39
andyrockbtw it's weird that apport crashed before12:39
seb128yeah12:39
didrocksTrevinho: you broke the theme again!12:39
andyrocklet me rebot12:39
andyrock*reboot12:39
andyrockto check if apport is still alive after a reboot12:39
seb128andyrock, can you "journalctl -u apport"?12:40
didrocksTrevinho: I ensured that the suggested action in disabled state was ok, your additional styles give something really confusing and ugly: https://imgur.com/a/6f3U912:41
didrocksmine is all black to show it's disaled12:41
didrocksdisabled12:41
didrocksyours it green with weird text12:41
seb128andyrock, btw https://bugs.launchpad.net/~azzar1/+assignedbugs is long, you might want to review that an unassign yourself from things you don't plan to work on anymore12:41
andyrockapport is dead again12:42
didrocksTrevinho: I really think there is no need for additional suggested-action state12:42
seb128andyrock, cat /etc/default/apport ?12:42
andyrockseb128: sure, let me debug apport before12:42
andyrockseb128: you don't believe in me12:43
andyrock:D12:43
andyrockhttps://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/zehmuIom/12:43
andyrocknothing in the logs12:44
seb128weird12:45
andyrockI mean I got this one12:46
andyrockhttps://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/6BRSQMSC/12:46
seb128ah12:46
seb128maybe that's the issue?12:46
andyrocknot sure, because of the last line12:46
andyrocktime to do some python12:47
seb128it's weird, maybe try to sh -x /etc/init.d/apport12:48
seb128and see what is done12:48
seb128with sudo12:48
seb128systemctl is confusing to me still12:49
seb128unsure why it's showed as inactive without any log explaining why12:49
andyrockseb128: soooo I think the problem is my locale12:57
andyrockhttps://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/AJGyHahb/12:57
seb128andyrock, ?12:57
andyrockwhy LANGUAGE and LC_ALL are empty12:57
andyrockI'm not completely sure but that should confuse python312:57
andyrockI mean "UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position 978-1094: ordinal not in range(128)" this does not make so much sense12:58
pittiandyrock, seb128: I haven't followed the whole conversation, but apport is supposed to be active (exited)12:58
pittithere is no daemon which runs all the time, the init script just pokes the path into the kernel sysctl12:58
andyrockpitti: hey! my apport is marked as died12:58
seb128hey pitti12:58
seb128pitti, right, that's how it is for me, but it's inactive for andyrock but has no error/log includes in the systemctl status nor in the journal12:59
pitti(there is no real service file,  it's just the synthesized wrapper around the init.d script)12:59
pittiandyrock: "systemctl status apport.service"? is it enabled?13:00
seb128pitti, http://paste.ubuntu.com/25719810/13:00
andyrockhttps://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/8wWNzIBk/13:00
pittils -l /etc/rc*.d/*apport*13:00
pittithere should be some `/etc/rc5.d/S01apport -> ../init.d/apport`13:01
andyrocknothing13:01
pittiandyrock: there you are :)13:01
andyrockso this is a fresh install13:02
andyrockand my locale is broken13:02
andyrockand apport too :D13:02
pitti/etc/rc*.d/*apport*13:02
pittierr13:02
pittisudo update-rc.d apport defaults13:02
andyrocknice!13:02
pittithis should be done by the .postinst, but apparently wasn't13:03
seb128andyrock, your locale doesn't seem too broken, LC_ALL not defined is fine and LANGUAGE missing shouldn't be an issue13:03
andyrockkk13:05
andyrockstill apport should not crash when logging13:05
seb128andyrock, well, that's the ui and that hits an unicde error problem one one of the files you have in /var/crash no?13:06
seb128maybe a weird filename or something?13:06
seb128pitti, nice to see you around btw!13:06
seb128pitti, comment ça va ?13:06
pittiseb128: ça va bien, merci ! j'attends avec impatience aller à Berlin la prochaine semaine !13:07
andyrockpython3 should support unicode out of the box13:07
seb128pitti, une conférence ?13:07
pittije vais revoir Lars à nouveau, et des amis13:07
andyrockthey're using some fixed encoding13:07
pittiseb128: oui, https://all-systems-go.io/ and a two-day Cockpit hackfest before13:08
andyrockbtw it's not in the UI the crash13:08
andyrockthe affected strings are info['ExecutablePath'], info['ProcCmdline']13:08
andyrockhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/136891113:09
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1368911 in apport (Ubuntu) "Apport crashes when writing to stderr: UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character '\xc1' in position 130: ordinal not in range(128)" [Medium,Triaged]13:09
andyrockwe can use the quick fix suggested in comment #113:10
seb128andyrock, can you ping bdmurray about that on #ubuntu-devel?13:10
andyrocksure thing13:10
seb128thanks13:10
pittiseb128: et toi, comment vas-tu ?13:12
seb128pitti, ça va bien mais j'ai un rhume :-/13:13
seb128urg, file-roller is weirdly themed when unfocussed13:13
pittiseb128: argh, le vieux ubuflu13:13
seb128pitti, oui, la variante enfant13:13
seb128kindergardenflu13:13
LaneyI just told Steve about the missing rc links :-)13:20
seb128Laney, can you open a bug about it?13:21
seb128Laney, apport didn't change but I guess it's dh_installinit behaving differently13:21
seb128seems similar to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/36157913:22
ubot5Ubuntu bug 361579 in apport (Ubuntu Jaunty) "does not register init scripts rc.d symlinks any more" [High,Fix released]13:22
seb128Laney, oh, and hey and thanks for pinging Steve about it :-)13:23
andyrockdidrocks: answered13:26
didrocksthanks andyrock :)13:28
didrocksandyrock: hum, I need to amend your answer13:29
didrocksandyrock: extensions as part of a mode aren't in enabled-extensions13:29
andyrockdidrocks: I need to check if she/he has other extension enabled13:31
andyrockthat can conflict with our extension13:31
didrocksandyrock: ahhhh, yeah, could be interesting13:32
andyrockI guess she/he still has one extension dealing with appindicator13:32
didrockslet me edit :)13:32
didrocksandyrock: edited, yeah, I think we should add something around it in the apport hook13:33
andyrockdidrocks: ?13:33
didrocksandyrock: I edited my answer on the hub. I think we should make so that `ubuntu-bug gnome-shell` reports enabled extenstions13:34
andyrockwe've the GSettingsChanged.txt13:34
andyrock?13:34
andyrockor something like that13:35
andyrockdoes this work13:35
Laneyseb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/172280113:35
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1722801 in apport (Ubuntu) "apport isn't started on new installs" [Undecided,New]13:35
Laneyand np, and hi13:35
seb128Laney, thanks, I think it's xnox's fault13:35
didrocksandyrock: ah? maybe, need to look for an example13:35
andyrockso two bugs in apport spotted today by me \o/13:36
andyrock:D13:36
didrocksandyrock: features, not bugs ;)13:37
seb128Laney, I commented on the bug, I think the removal from the upstart job by xnox made dh_installinit act differently and drop the needed lines13:38
Laneythink it's going to get assigned to bdmurray, but thx13:40
Laneyguess someone else could get in there first and fix it if they wanted ;-)13:40
seb128bdmurray wfm13:40
seb128I don't intend to debug more, I just got curious of what changed since the rules and postinst didn't change since xenial13:40
seb128andyrock, thanks for spotting the issue :-)13:41
Laneywe coincidentally found that here too at the same time13:42
* didrocks curses andyrock for spotting the issue :)13:42
Laneyserendipity13:42
andyrockseb128: now we'll get a bump in errors report13:42
seb128yeah, which is good13:45
seb128shame that we didn't get it before beta13:45
seb128we are probably missing reports :-/13:45
willcookehey Trevinho, I subscribed you to this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/172281113:45
ubot5Error: ubuntu bug 1722811 not found13:45
seb128willcooke, is that a segfault?13:46
seb128willcooke, he's sleeping13:46
willcookeAnthony Wong13:46
willcookeoops13:46
willcookeAnthony reported it13:46
willcookeyeah, segv13:46
seb128k13:46
seb128I guess it hasn't been retraced yet13:46
seb128it's not accessible13:46
willcookeack13:46
willcookeI've added you too seb128, just fyi13:46
seb128thx13:47
willcookeIf you have hidpi, and it auto scales to 200%, when you set it to 100% then it seg faults13:47
seb128having steps to reproduce is useful13:47
andyrockconfirming the crash here13:48
seb128andyrock, that's good, make easier to work on it for whoever has a look13:49
andyrockmmm no symbols in the bt13:55
andyrockshouldn't debug symbols be installed by default in dev releases?13:56
seb128no13:56
seb128they are bigs and not useful to most users13:56
seb128and you can use apport-retrace afterwards to get the symbols and a debug bt for you13:56
andyrockbtw  "sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com ---" fails13:56
andyrockah ok13:56
andyrockI used directly apport-unpack13:56
seb128that's the manual way13:57
Laneyroot@cosmic-terrapin:~#13:57
Laneylxd's machine names ♥13:57
seb128hehe13:57
andyrockseb128: ERROR: report file does not contain one of the required fields: Package13:57
seb128andyrock, did you meant to add a --recv <KID>?13:58
andyrockusing apport-retrace13:58
seb128:-/13:58
andyrockseb128: i used this command "sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 428D7C01 C8CAB6595FDFF622"13:58
seb128andyrock, well I guess enabled the ddeb source and install the packages you need manually13:58
andyrockit's stucked13:58
seb128andyrock, what error did you get?13:58
seb128hmu13:58
andyrockit can be that it fails to write the package name because of the unicode/ascii issue13:58
seb128could be14:00
seb128andyrock, it's your day of hitting issues :-)14:01
andyrockusually that's you14:01
andyrock;)14:01
seb128yeah14:02
seb128most of my days feel like that14:02
seb128I start debugging one problem14:02
seb128and mid-day I'm 3 issues down the stack that I hit on the way14:02
seb128trying to figure them in reverse order before getting back to what I meant to do14:02
jibelseb128, I marked bug 1715330 as fix released. I cannot reproduce the problem on an up to date artful.14:03
ubot5bug 1715330 in Mutter "gnome-shell crashed with SIGSEGV in _cogl_boxed_value_set_x()" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/171533014:03
andyrockmmm I fixed that ascii fixed but I still don't get the Package file14:05
seb128jibel, great, thanks14:06
andyrockI'm using gnome-shell installed from the repos14:06
andyrockapport-retrace ... -R ... fixes this14:19
andyrockmy fault14:19
seb128why your fault?14:19
seb128btw I've a gnome-shell report and it has the same issue14:20
seb128so might be another apport bug14:20
andyrockseb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/131553014:20
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1315530 in apport (Ubuntu) "apport-retrace needs initial data collection" [High,Invalid]14:20
andyrocklook at Martin's comments14:21
andyrocklooks like it's supposed to work like that14:21
seb128confusing, retrace should do the -R for you14:22
seb128andyrock, but yeah, technically not a bug14:24
xnoxLaney, seb128 - that is sad. I am surprised we didn't notice this yet =/14:31
xnoxi guess we are happy that there is no poop-up on boot?! =)14:31
seb128right14:31
Laneyheh14:32
Laneyit's only for new installs though I think14:32
seb128right14:32
GunnarHjseb128: Thanks for merging/sponsoring!14:32
seb128upgrades have the postinst which acted on install when it was still working14:32
Laneywho cares about those guys!14:32
seb128GunnarHj, hey, yw!14:32
GunnarHjseb128: I'm really going to write that paper we talked about yesterday; I'm ambivalent to the "replace with their solution later/next cycle" idea you mentioned at the MP.14:32
seb128GunnarHj, k, thanks for writing that14:33
oSoMoNseb128, Laney : I attached a patch to gnome bug #788552 (probably not suitable for upstream but rather for a distropatch), your opinion welcome15:44
ubot5Gnome bug 788552 in general "Ensure wayland -> xorg fallback to the corresponding session" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78855215:44
seb128oSoMoN, thanks15:44
oSoMoNnote that I attached it to the upstream bug report because ideally I'd like to get halfline's opinion on it too15:45
seb128right15:46
seb128I'm about to go back and spend some time away from the computer15:46
seb128but I'm going to let upstream/Didier/Iain time to comment and I have a look tomorrow morning to see what's the status :-)15:46
oSoMoNI'll prepare merge requests against gdm3, ubuntu-session and gnome-session in case my approach gets approved15:54
LaneyoSoMoN: if you're going to distro patch anyway, why not use your patch from comment #11?16:05
Laneythat doesn't have that bug where you don't get the wrong session selected I don't think16:05
Laneyanyway, fine with whatever you think is best16:05
oSoMoNLaney, right, I'll test again the patch in comment #11, it has the advantage of not requiring to patch gnome-session16:09
oSoMoNwith that other patch in comment #25 I was trying to conform to the expectation that fallback sessions have the same desktop file name16:10
oSoMoNwhich according to Ray is how the fallback mechanism is supposed to function16:10
Laneynod16:10
Laneymakes sense16:10
LaneyI think the final patch is probably a combination of both of those16:10
Laneywell, reading those keys instead of looking at the filename16:11
Laneybut you get it16:11
oSoMoNyes, but I don't think I can realistically implement that and have it reviewed and merged upstream before tomorrow (national holiday in Spain tomorrow, I won't be around much), so it's gonna have to be a simple distro patch16:13
Laneyok16:14
k_alamHi, After new design of the website I can not access any of the api doc for16:14
k_alam indicators and messaging menu. For example,16:14
k_alam https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/devel/ubuntu-13.10/python/MessagingMenu-1.0#MessagingMenu.Message16:14
k_alam now gives 404. :/16:14
Laneythat's fine, thanks for working on it!16:14
k_alamDoc team's Gunner pointed me to this: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-community-team/2017-October/001567.html16:15
k_alamDoes any one know what happened here ?16:15
dmj_s76So the recent half-tiling change in mutter is causing some really weird, screwy behavior.16:20
jbichadmj_s76: are you using gtk 3.22.21 or .24? did you see that there was a mutter update today?16:23
dmj_s76jbicha: I'll test16:31
dmj_s76We were seeing this bug for a few days including yesterday.16:31
k_alampopey: Anything on the issue?16:39
popeyhmm?16:39
k_alamRead my comments above...16:40
popeyI don't understand. What's the issue I can help with?16:42
k_alampopey: I raised the issue here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2017-October/020562.html16:42
popeydavidcalle:16:43
popey^16:43
dmj_s76jbicha: Okay, I think I understand this a little better now.16:56
dmj_s76So the mutter half-tiling resize *is not* present on Wayland, but it exists and is very buggy on X1116:57
dmj_s76Is half-tiling an intended feature in Ubuntu (17.10) or is its presence on X11 an anomaly.16:58
dmj_s76*half-tile resizing rather16:59
dmj_s761) resizing the half-tiling alignment looks really bad.  (Slow, desynchronized redraw)  One window lags behind the other, so you see the desktop through a gap between the windows as you drag.17:07
dmj_s762) Since the mutter change that enables changing alignment, also makes half-tiled windows raise to the foreground in weird and inconsistent ways.17:07
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oSoMoNhere we go: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1718446/comments/417:17
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1718446 in gdm3 (Ubuntu) "Ensure wayland -> xorg fallback to the corresponding session" [High,In progress]17:17
* Laney won't have time to review that, hopefully someone else can17:22
Laneycan probably do it in the queue once uploaded though17:22
Laneythanks17:22
jbichadmj_s76: it's an intended feature but it doesn't work at all yet since gtk 3.22.24 is stuck in artful-proposed18:02
jbichaI agree that it looks bad during resizing https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78859818:03
ubot5Gnome bug 788598 in general "tiling in mutter 3.26.1 looks glitchy when resizing" [Normal,New]18:03
dmj_s76jbicha: You're saying that the current version is buggy but *should* work well in the proposed package?18:04
jbichaI'm saying that resizable half-tiling requires the proposed gtk3 package (otherwise it won't be enabled at all)18:05
jbichabut the glitchiness hasn't been fixed18:05
dmj_s76jbicha: There are also some bizarre behavior issues re: focus/raising issues, handling more than two half-tiled windows, some windows not letting you resize.18:06
jbichaplease file those bugs upstream, it's not an Ubuntu-specific feature and we didn't write the code for the feature :)18:06
dmj_s76jbicha: the gtk3 package specifically fixes gtk3 windows not allowing resize (but non gtk3 apps working)?18:16
jbichaI don't know, could you file detailed bugs?18:19
dmj_s76working on it18:20
dmj_s76that just sounded familiar18:21
andyrockhttps://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/eoUHxHdC/lp.png18:37
andyrockops wrong channel18:38
dmj_s76jbicha: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78884619:16
ubot5Gnome bug 788846 in general "window focus regression with resizable half-tiling" [Normal,New]19:16
Laneywhy oh whyyyyyyyyyyyyy19:34
robert_ancelljamesh: online?20:55
jbicharobert_ancell: seb128 wanted your input on LP: #1721359 see also his uploads today for https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-orca/+changelog20:58
ubot5Launchpad bug 1721359 in simple-scan (Ubuntu) "Simple Scan translations are not synced with upstream" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172135920:58
jbichagood morning :)20:58
robert_ancelljbicha: hi :)20:58
robert_ancelljbicha: I'm not sure about that one, since we've moved hosting to GNOME aren't the Launchpad ones obsolete?20:59
jbichaeverything in main uses LP language packs unless we explicitly opt out21:00
robert_ancellSo I set the simple-scan project in Launchpad to do translations, but I don't think I've ever changed any settings (or know of any) for the packaging translations.21:00
robert_ancellAny idea who knows how the importer works?21:01
jbichaseb128 ;)21:01
jbichaI guess you 2 should discuss it21:02
robert_ancellComparing against another project... I'll play with some settings21:02
willcookehi robert_ancell21:08
robert_ancellwillcooke: heya21:11
robert_ancelljamesh: we need to allow polkit auth for cancel, i.e. http://paste.ubuntu.com/25722399/. This allows all operations to cancel, so not sure if this needs to have different polkit actions depending on the change. Can you add that one to your list?21:14
robert_ancellI'm fixing the cancelling code in snapd-glib and we can't cancel an install/remove with polkit...21:14
jbichaseb128: I'm surprised you're awake, I pinged robert_ancell about simple-scan translations but maybe he wanted to discuss that with you?22:38
robert_ancelljbicha, seb128 is awake?22:38
jbichamaybe :)22:38
seb128shrug22:39
seb128I've a cold and didn't manage to sleep so I was checking if it was going alright for the guys in N-Y22:40
seb128I don't understand those translation sharing properties well, best to check with wgrant22:41
robert_ancellIt seems like Launchpad doesn't handle un-upstreaming very well. Some of the options didn't seem to be resettable.22:41
seb128but basically I think that if sharing with an upstream branch is enabled then it uses the translations for that vcs and doesn't import the files from the package22:41
seb128the issue is that sharing is usually with trunk, which not be the serie you package22:42
seb128also the imports use to bug on submodules so some were outdated22:42
seb128I guess it depends of the project if it makes sense to share translations or not22:43
seb128oh and I don't know what it means for packages that have distro specific strings, if sharing is enable does it use the upstream template?22:44
seb128robert_ancell, ^ basically what I know, many things I'm uncertain about so I recommend you try asking wgrant or somebody who understands that part of launchpad22:45
robert_ancellI think I changed enough things that it might work now, will ping wgrant if now22:45
robert_ancellnot22:45
seb128sounds good22:47
seb128on that note try to go back to sleep22:49
seb128night22:49

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