[02:04] <vrmuppalla> will plasma 5.11 be in backports after 17.10 release ?
[02:20] <DarinMiller> vrmuppalla: Yes, 5.11 is aleady in backports staging.  A few known bug and 5.11.1 is right around the corner with fixes so you may want to wait a few days.
[06:11] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:47] <ForceRecon> what happens to kubuntu 17.04 in January
[11:48] <ForceRecon> and does 16.04.3 look like 17.04
[11:59] <lordievader> ForceRecon: In January 17.04 is EOL. 16.04 is supported till 2021. See https://www.ubuntu.com/info/release-end-of-life
[11:59] <ForceRecon> I noticed that but why does a version of higher number have a EOL
[12:00] <lordievader> Because 16.04 is an LTS release and 17.04 is not.
[12:00] <ForceRecon> I like 17.04 interface and everything.. is 16.04 the same?
[12:00] <lordievader> LTS releases get 5 years support. Non-LTS only 9 months.
[12:00] <lordievader> 16.04 is old :P
[12:01] <ForceRecon> so if I build a laptop for someone and I put Kubuntu on it.. should I install 17.04 or OLD 16.04
[12:01] <lordievader> Depends on the requirements.
[12:02] <lordievader> LTS releases are often seen as more stable. But the downside is older software.
[12:02] <ForceRecon> okay.. lets begin with does 16.04 and 17.04 look the same?
[12:02] <lordievader> No idea, sorry.
[12:02] <lordievader> If I run Kubuntu I run a development release.
[12:03] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:03] <lordievader> What you could do is wait a couple of weeks for the release of 17.10.
[12:03] <ForceRecon> yeah I am running 17.04.. I just don't know if I should put something on their laptop that is not going to get updated after January
[12:03] <lordievader> ForceRecon: That way you get 9 months of support.
[12:03] <ForceRecon> oh!... now were talking
[12:03] <ForceRecon> nice!
[12:03] <ForceRecon> just a couple of weeks?
[12:04] <lordievader> ForceRecon: Well at that time you should simply upgrade to 17.10.
[12:04] <lordievader> Same with when 17.10 is going EOL, upgrade to 18.04.
[12:04] <ForceRecon> so we change repos and away we go?
[12:04] <ForceRecon> or will it just be an option
[12:04] <lordievader> ForceRecon: That would be the Debian way, Ubuntu has some toolie for it.
[12:05] <ForceRecon> okeedo.. thanks a lot!
[12:05] <ForceRecon> that answered everything
[12:05] <ForceRecon> BEA U tiful
[12:05] <lordievader> Cool, glad I could help.
[12:05] <BluesKaj> sudo-do release-upgrade when it's released, add the -d  if you intend to upgrade to 17.10 before thursday
[12:06] <BluesKaj> err sudo do-release-upgrade rather
[12:07] <ForceRecon> HEY BLUE!
[12:07] <ForceRecon> big thanks.. nice nice..
[12:09] <ForceRecon> they currently have linux- mint on the Laptop.. I guess I should just download and create the dvd and then just wipe out and install kubuntu.. they only use the laptop for mail, but I think the interface is easier for them then linux mint
[12:17] <ForceRecon> it really is amazing how they get everything to update so well..
[12:17] <ForceRecon> crazy good
[12:21] <ForceRecon> wow.. all done.. nicely done you guys!
[12:24] <ForceRecon> where are error logs in kubuntu?  I do not see them in /var/log
[12:26] <ForceRecon> i should say messages
[12:26] <ForceRecon> sudo grep -i error messages
[12:31] <BluesKaj> usually /var/log/syslog
[13:13] <ForceRecon> https://pastebin.com/f4ntAbs7  - just some information
[13:18] <ForceRecon> is there any way in kubuntu to show all hidden icons in the panel?  I can click the up arrow to see hidden icons, but prefer to see them all by default all the time
[13:20] <BluesKaj> right click system tray >settings>enties>choose shown
[13:20] <BluesKaj> enties=entries
[13:20] <acheronuk> ForceRecon: In systemtray setting, entries tab, there is a "Always show all entries" checkbox
[13:22] <ForceRecon> thanks.. appreciated
[13:30] <ForceRecon> Sorry, the program "plasmashell" closed unexpectedly
[13:30] <ForceRecon> Your computer does not have enough free memory to automatically analyze the problem and send a report to the developers.
[13:39] <ForceRecon> wow.. the RSS feeds are very handy
[14:21] <acheronuk> We're live at 15:00 UTC (in ~40 mins) over at UbuntuOnAir with some final ISO testing for #ubuntu 17.10. Join us! http://bit.ly/2sGXhC8
[14:22] <acheronuk> on IRC in #ubuntu-on-air
[14:53] <D0U91E> morning folks
[14:54] <BluesKaj> 'Morning D0U91E. assume it's you dougl  :-)
[15:00] <D0U91E> BluesKaj, yepper - I was hoping I did not make it hard to use my nick... how are you today?
[15:01] <BluesKaj> just fine here, and you?
[15:06] <D0U91E> Not too too bad - fighting with manjaro just to get a taste of something different
[15:12] <BluesKaj> yeah, i gave it a try for a couple of weeks. It was ok ,but some of the networking was a bit clunky like vpn in the cli rather than gui etc
[15:14] <BluesKaj> I like using aliases for long networking strings, but it wasn't as easy as debian based OSs
[15:20] <D0U91E> BluesKaj, yeah I am not enjoying it but trying to get the knack interpreting the docs but it seems like Manjaro has alot of square pegs for the round holes in the distro.
[15:21] <D0U91E> I was looking at it to use on my little arm devices where debian currently dominates
[15:22]  * D0U91E will quit being off topic now - Sorry
[15:23] <BluesKaj> ubuntu mate has an arm iso if you're not into raspbian
[15:28] <D0U91E> BluesKaj, yes - I thought mate on the pi was a bit sluggish so I was shooting for xfce and was to lazy to do it on debian - I don't know maybe I just need the distraction
[15:32] <BluesKaj> I used a spare hdd instead of a usb stick when i moved the root dir off the microsd card to the hdd and the performance didn't suffer much on the rpi3
[15:34] <BluesKaj> poorly worde that, but think you got the gist
[15:34] <BluesKaj> worded
 Ubuntu 17.10 … on resume from login, video playback is broken and locks the system up. commands still work but take up to 20s for you changes etc to go through. … also on resume from locked session, shutdown and reboot never finish their actions. … also on resume from lock session, if dolphin is open for a few minutes plasma (I think) crashes. mouse works but everything else is frozen including that's. have to manually power machine
 *including ttys
[17:26] <D0U91E> BluesKaj, do you have a sec to give me a few pointers on setting static ip on 17.10 beta?
[18:38] <valorie> zsync is so cool! for those who are testing the release candidate
[18:38] <valorie> if not, do it! we need lots and lots of testing this week
[18:39] <valorie> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/383/builds
[19:07] <bittin> dding the new Kubuntu too test out
[19:32] <valorie> bittin: good to hear -- please report any bugs and report your results on the qa tracker
[20:01] <ForceRecon> why do people leave the room.. other than reboot..
[20:02] <ForceRecon> you would think that it was important to get an answer
[20:02] <ForceRecon> Even BluesKaj is gone..
[20:02]  * ForceRecon is sad now
[20:04] <valorie> ForceRecon: do you have a question?
[20:04] <valorie> some people turn their computers off when they aren't using them
[20:08] <ForceRecon> no, just watching the world..   really pleased with kununtu, but cannot get it to work on 3 monitors and can't take the chance to wipe debian for a test run..
[20:08] <ForceRecon> I wish there something more stable, or that i was better at linux
[20:08] <ForceRecon> probably the later///
[20:09] <valorie> ForceRecon: have you given artful a try yet?
[20:09] <valorie> I know there has been recent work on multiple monitors
[20:09] <ForceRecon> I could dual boot, but.... yeah.. I just updated my vmware installtion today.. PERFECT!!!.. btw.. but I just can't chance it
[20:09] <valorie> try a live version and see?
[20:10] <ForceRecon> won't boot and when it does it is not the right graphics driver.. would have to take the plunge
[20:10] <valorie> I see
[20:10] <ForceRecon> if it were only so simple
[20:11] <valorie> dual boot is probably the best option then
[20:11] <valorie> with a separate ~/home
[20:11] <ForceRecon> yeah I am going to head that way shortly.. I really like kubuntu
[22:36] <zmith> hello