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 @hwpplayer1, i think it would defeat the purpose. also the speeds are quite good and phones are only getting faster. my goal is to package Lazarus IDE to be easily installable onto the phonne qith my custom components bundle dedicated for Ubuntu Touch development so that it would become a one stop SDK for UT. I think main scenario will be for people to ssh into the phone from a desktop and launch lazarus onto desktop screen. Phone hosted, carried
[01:12] <tgBot> around in your pocket, but worked on mostly out of comfort of your bigscreen and physical keyboars/mouse. Until you start using it on a phone that supports external monitor or miracast.
 (Photo, 720x405) https://irc.ubports.com/ruLho2cn/file_1229.jpg
 @Flohack, Florian sorry to bother you again about that, but what about all the other features are missing in Telegram app compared to Android version? I mean, the features to be started with @ (gif, 4square, game...), position sharing, phone call, long chat updating speed increase....is there a chance to see some of them with the next update, a part from supergroups which is already a great news? Thank you!
 @Matteo, @gif and so are called "inline bots" btw
 Ok thank you, good to know
 #️⃣  Hide keyboard
 @Matteo, Morning, well there is a long list. See here: https://github.com/ubports/telegram-app/issues
 We will roll out supergroups asap, and not waste more time with other features
 But all the newer features will have a very long ETA, since still the API level we have now is at least 1 year behind ;)
 We are also planning a V3 for the app (currently called V2 from upstream), and so we might save some of this stuff for a new version, which will allow more features & better performance
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 Hey everyone! I just wanted to check if anyone else is having battery issues with Oneplus One? Because of problems with incoming phone calls on devel, I recently switched to the stable channel (OTA-2). Unfortunately the battery drain has been horrendous since then, about 15-20% per hour while phone mostly idle. If it is not software related, it must be that my battery is beginning to give up. Anyone else having issues like this on OPO?
 @Flohack, 🍺🍺 great work guys. So happy to be a patreon of this project
 Supergroup is a must so we can use UBports to chat here
 Natively
 @malditobastardo, Yeah this is now soon possible. =) I hope
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 @Matteo, You know it works like a desktop
 (Sticker, 512x309) https://irc.ubports.com/iDyy7fFy/file_1230
[10:17] <tgBot> Malcolm was added by: Malcolm
 @TomasOqvist, I have the same issues... Without nu bacon device.
 @TomasOqvist, I have the same issues, with my device (OPO)
 Any idea why my ubports install freezes. Phone is stuck in ubuntu recovery, adb shows last command done pushing.. But nothing happens? 😳
 I use same install command as before
 Solved! After waiting 30minutes, it finally started to install
 @UniversalSuperBox, Waiting
 https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/10/severe-flaw-in-wpa2-protocol-leaves-wi-fi-traffic-open-to-eavesdropping/
 https://hackaday.com/2017/10/16/oh-great-wpa2-is-broken/
 @jakko, I filed a bug report about it here: https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/299
 @harishsays, want to discuss this in our offtop chat? you are welcome to join: @ubports_ot
 so it looks like the repositories for xenial are broken with regard to debootstrap
 if i manually visit them, there is nothing there to be downloaded
 @rubencarneiro, this indeed looks nice.  Would be cool to see a tablet in that line up.. I think at least one is going.  and then finally - when convergence is done - the laptop and desktop again :)
 Hey everyone.  This is an official 'call out' for 'community links'. We would like to gather a list of links here to blogs and developers in this group so we can look at them and plug them and basically all gain from them.  If you know of one, please let me know here (might as well start sharing in front of all ofus here) or email wayne@ubports.com.  This is 'on topic' Ivan ;)
 I'm not an admin here and I'm not judging anyone, I'm just promoting my chat ;)
 @vanyasem, Done
 @vanyasem, thanks.  then send me links.  :)
 I don't get, what links do you want exactly?
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 @vanyasem, you want links to personal CVs and blogs of all developers from this chat? @wayneoutthere
 yes, exactly.  CVs... not really needed right now more links where someone can click and go learn more about Ubuntu, Ubuntu Touch, test developments, etc.  Basically anything 'remotely on topic' and that involves members here.
 any link that might be of interest and hopefully somewhat on topic
 so like links to my blogposts about UBports?
 in Russian?
 sure
 okay, just wanted to clarify
 I think the solution to this is to build in a native environment
 which means building from ubuntu core
 which could take a while
 ahhh this is stupid
 I can get zesty arm64
 but not xenial
 Is it possible to get the smartphone display working as a touchpad, when it's conneted via slimport?
[13:39] <tgBot> <Vitaliy Popov> ℹ️ О боте
[13:40] <tgBot> <Vitaliy Popov> Sorry, accidentally
 this bot is stuck here
 and can't be removed
 for an unknown reason
 it's kicked, but the keyboard is still there
 @nfsprodriver, shouldn't it work that way already?
 @vanyasem, no keyboard here, for UT telegram app, web app, and telegram on windows.
 and android, and ios
 (jeez i'm cross platform)
 (Photo, 1280x1052) https://irc.ubports.com/0qhNRg9C/file_1232.jpg
 🇬🇧 Change language
 @vanyasem, no idea why it got compressed 😂
 what platform are you running?
 Android
 i was afk when the keyboard bot came and went. so guess i'm not infected?
 does telegram keep cookies
 "infected" is a nice word for it 😂
 do you have it on all your devices? does it spread along with your account, even to devices that didn't have the bot?
 I am exercising rn, so can't check :P
 you have to stay healthy in order to be productive
 so that's what i'm doing wrong :-P
 does that mean i should go back to bed till i don't feel sick?
 @Xorpad, no.
 i got a rootfs built now
 I gotta test it
[14:24] <tgBot> alisahep was added by: alisahep
 @alisahep, welcome
[14:29] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> @wayneoutthere, so first entry to #community-links : http://kriscode.blogspot.de/
[14:29] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> damn, have to write this together: #communitylinks 😜
[14:30] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> second entry: https://sturmflut.github.io/ #communitylinks
[14:31] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> (i know that one is a little bit aged but still has valuable info)
[14:37] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> and No.3 #communitylinks : http://thinkonbytes.blogspot.de/search/label/touch
[14:38] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> No. 4: #communitylinks : http://kylenubuntu.blogspot.de/
[14:42] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> No. 5: #communitylinks : https://www.gitbook.com/book/gurucubano/bq-aquaris-e-4-5-ubuntu-phone/details
[14:56] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> @wayneoutthere i took the liberty to introduce a hashtag for this call for entries. You can thus easily filter the supergroup to only show messages containing this hashtag...
 thanks!
[15:01] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> No 6 #communitylinks : https://www.gitbook.com/book/mimecar/ubuntu-touch-programming-course/details
 Any image editor for UT?
 I mean for rescaling.  Crop. Etc
 GIMP?
 InstantFX
[15:23] <tgBot> FelixWeinzierl was added by: FelixWeinzierl
 @FelixWeinzierl, welcome
 Hello I‘m new here.  … I‘be heard about your project and I like it so much! … I’ve a verry bad question. Can You say me with wich Devices I can download Ubuntu Touch 😬.  … I’ve read the official site but I had also heard that the OnePlus X can install Ubuntu Touch but it isn’t written in the official website.
 Sorry for my bad English I’m a German.
 Supported Devices: https://ubports.com/page/get-ubuntu-touch
 @FelixWeinzierl, Maybe what you heard is that is in development or someone is working on it. (maybe halium??) Still, there's no working/stable image of Ubuntu Touch for that device.
 @Jujuyeh, Thank you verry much!
 Exist a German UBports Supergroup?
 No, only this English Group
 @Jujuyeh, Thanks 😀
 I tried InstantFX but it doesn't have the options to rescale a picture.  Just filters. Very limited.
 @malditobastardo, Yeah, I believe it is on alpha state... @sverzegnassi ?
 @Lorxu, I may give it a try to Gimp with containers. But I had bad experiences with Firefox and VLC just crashing
 Thanks Paul
 😁
 I am stuck at the moment because I am still waiting for a fix for the video player
 And VLC is not working. Dunno what I am doing wrong when trying to use the containers
 @malditobastardo, I had problems with the player back when I used the Canonical image. It worked fine after flashing UBports image... So maybe a reflash could be solution? I'm not sure
 Yeah I mean. I have the green image problem when I record a video and then I try to play it. It's missing codecs
 There is already a fix for this for bacon
 We discussed the other day about this
 (I'm responding to everything because I get bored in class 😆)
 @malditobastardo, That's exactly what happend to me (Pro5)
 I am in hammerhead nexus 5
 I thing you are the lucky one who got the hotfix already
 Thi
 Think•*
 @Jujuyeh, That "alpha" means that UT was already abandoned at the time, so I wasn't interesting in spending much time on the app.  … InstantFX is meant to be an Instagram-like image editing app. For a more serious image manipulation, probably GIMP is the only app available (via Libertine)  🙂
 Imagemagick should be able to crop etc..
 http://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/crop/#crop
 @mariogrip Can we test this rootfs http://ci.ubports.com/job/xenial-7.1-caf-sudoku-rootfs/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/out/ubports-touch.rootfs-xenial-armhf.tar.gz ? And if yes, how?
 we were just discussing it in ot chat
 Unfortunately the Halium initrd doesn't work with it. Marius is on the case.
 idk why do we use ot chat for non-ot stuff
 ok
 @vanyasem, Blame @wayneoutthere :P
 He's out of this chat too much
 And in the wrong one too much
 @Lorxu, we started using it for non ot long before Wayne even acknowledged it's a real thing
 But I want to blame Wayne :P
 Honestly though I thought it started with him, guess I was wrong, then I don't know when it started
 it started with my PME Halium port
 as I questioned Marius in the ot chat between the lines
 whatever it is, feel free to blame me for it. … Next!
 @samitormanen, Yeah imagemagick on desktop works great but it's working in UT?
 From command line it should work. I havent try it though..
 @wayneoutthere, You know excessive blame for things you didn't do can cause serious mental illness right? :P
 I could literally blame you into sickness :P
 try!
 I broke it. Wayne Did It (WDI)
 Nah, I like you too much to try to mess you up on purpose
 aw. thanks!
 thanks to getting blamed for things I didnt do a lot, I've come to realize that part of life is actually learning how to deal with ths.... i'm not fully there but I"m getting better...  more on this in OT chat if you want :)
 I don't really have much to say but sure
 @samitormanen, Ok good. I never tried th terminal from the phone itself
[16:54] <tgBot> <Gleb Lee 🇸🇨> Another option to edit images (probably) is web-based online-editor. I thougt about create online JS app and pack into webapp.
 @malditobastardo, that is the best part about ut
 it is where u get the full ubuntu experience
 and best way is to ssh into the phone and boom, ubuntu just like on desktop
 you can even ssh -x user@ipaddr and then u have xforwardimg working!
 just need to apt-get install xauth on the phone
 so that .Xauthority can be generated upon your ssh session
 and u can do amazing rhings
 u can install legacy gtk apps on the phone
 and run them remotely onto your desktop
 ie nautilus
 or gedit
 or baobab
 etc
 btw i use inkscape on my phone
 i am sure you can use gimp as well
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/h0rTQmTO/file_1205.jpg
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/AEyIjVZK/file_1203.jpg
 in fact i will try to install gimp next
 @KrisJacewicz, cool!
 @KrisJacewicz, Could you please write a HowTo for that? I mean for less experienced users? That would be amazing :)
 Seems like the installer doesn't want to detect my nexus 5 in fastboot :/
 Great. I love how powerful is imagemagick just using the terminal. I will try to use it now. And I might just give it another try again to libertine containers an try gimp or Inkscape. Thank you all for the help and good information
 @jja2000, It just sits at "Waiting for Nexus 5" or "Put your device into fastboot"
 @wayneoutthere, I had one just removed
 @jja2000, I had similar issue. You can try CPT instead
 Looking for something to blame Wayne for?
 Blame Wayne and Joe for this: … https://ubports.com/blog/the-audiocasts-3/post/ubuntu-touch-audiocast-013-magnificent-maggot-87
 listeting
 ;)
 oh it's 55 mins
 i don't have that much time 😆
 (jk, i always have time for audiocasts)
 yes, this is the more beefy bomb
 Joe does a killer Flo impression
 a killer Nexus 7 impression?
 i dont get it
 @vanyasem, Yup
 @Flohack flo
 @wayneoutthere, You ruined it :(
 darn
 i'm not the sharpest tool in the shed
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/Dg0bnBgX/file_1234.mp4
 @PhoenixLandPirate, yep, totally
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/WKWmBxCw/file_1235.mp4
 that was a nice troll btw
 @wayneoutthere, LOL!
 Hey guys, do you have a clue why my browser doesn't work on the BQ E5HD? I might've deleted something important with the UT Tweak Tool in a rage because I was so annoyed by all those stupid Scopes I don't need that were preinstalled. Any ideas how to install everything needed for the browser? I don't wanna reset all, because only now I just got my Whatsapp fixed and reinvited in all the groups.
 How to invite @tylnesh?
 Hey guys, any idea how I can use apt in the terminal? I did it before, but I forgot what to do to get past the "Not using locking for read only lock file" error
[20:11] <tgBot> tylnesh was added by: tylnesh
 Hey guys! UBports installer hangs when trying to install to Ubuntu edition BQ m10 FHD
 debug: adb shell: echo 1 … debug: fastboot: wait for device
 The gui installer?
 @tylnesh, What OS on your PC?
 Ubuntu Mate 17.10
 ok, found out what was the problem
 I tried using the snap version and for some reason, it won't open the com
 I downloaded the appImage version and now it seems to be working
 👍
 Everyone is listening to a podcast right now so it has gone quiet
 ok...
 hm..
 Waiting for device to enter recovery mode
 tablet booted into the system recovery. What now?
 Huawei Mate 10 can be a desktop with cable connection. Ok, Ubuntu Touch too and wireless.
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/h0rhlTOM/file_1236.mp4
[20:23] <tgBot> Reinhold_Blank was added by: Reinhold_Blank
 only need snap libreoffice and others.. However I have some mistakes with internet connection and the windows/scopes open all thogether and small size.
 @tylnesh, It is very slow to reboot. Three minutes maybe even on normal boot
 Welcome Reinhold
[20:29] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @tylnesh why did not you follow my supergroub link I have sent you already in the morning gentleman?
 Sorry, didn't notice it
 Fastboot: Unknown error:  < waiting for any device > … downloading 'boot.img'... … FAILED (command write failed (Success)) … finished. total time: 0.000s
 Anyone know how to get access to system files in ubports? You had to mount something I think, but I don't know how
[20:31] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> OK, later but finally here, welcome
 TweakTool
 @Stereofont, Found it, thanks
 Strange. It just won't install
 stuck on: Waiting for device to enter recovery mode. … Flashing recovery and boot images
 @tylnesh, Did you clear the cache before?
 its a clean install, should I clean it?
 On that tablet the cache is normally 100% full. You need to empty it before you can flash
 Wait... did you say you installed Android on it?
 UT
 Ah, I see, reinstalled already.
 Yes it was from Canonical
 Once I get to this step
 Waiting for device to enter recovery mode... … Flashing recovery and boot images
 it reboots into system recovery <3e>
 no matter if it's off, or in fastboot
 and keeps waiting for device to enter recovery mode
 ... any ideas?
 @tylnesh, You did have Rev.14 open and working before install though?
 yeah
 but I already wiped the flash once you suggested it
 wiped the cache*
 Mmmh. Can't fall back to ubuntu-device-flash, it doesn't exist in 17.10
 so.. what should I do?
 I do have one Ubuntu mate 16.04
 machine at home
 should I try on that one?
 Yes, that might tell us if it's a 17.10 issue.
 all right, gonna boot the old beast
 Serves as a guest computer :)
 If its that old update it first 😂
 It's an old beast, but used often by my parents, visiting nephews, etc
 Well, getting as much traffic as it can, fighting for attention with 6 other Linux powered computers
 USB 2.0 seems to work better for install anyway
 👏
 I always use USB 2 for critical stuff
 Of ffs... Seems like my ssd in that ancient machine just died
 It's the hurricane …
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/xUG5qDVm/file_1237.mp4
 Probably not back here in Eastern Europe
 @tylnesh, Ahah.Your English is so perfect I thought you were here
[20:50] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @UniversalSuperBox Dear Dalton I have lost the overview about webrowser 58 update, when should if should land? And what about the RC channel does it already receives updates from devel? Thanks
 Sorry for misleading you. But if you'd hear my accent, you wouldn't think so :)
 I'm gonna install 16.04 on another computer, be back in half an hour
 I'm hoping it's a 17.10 issue for your sake, but I'm hoping it's not a 17.10 issue for our sake
 :P
 lol. Better you than me :)
 When's the 17.10 release? Next friday?
 @Milan Korecky, Browser update is on the back burner since it failed on several devices.
 RC is rolling weekly now to my knowledge
 I was building an old core 2 duo, 6GB RAM rig for my 6yo nephew... It's so handy now, when I need a 16.04 machine :)
[20:58] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @UniversalSuperBox, Because I did not received any, and last week some more people also confirmed nothing was landing on N5, so it may already be working again and I can switch from stable?
 No way for me to get libertine apps to work. Tries in Ubuntu. Arch. And solus. All of the app I installed crashes
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[21:10] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @tylnesh, looks like he is the youngest Ubuntu fan here 👍
 Well, I started injecting some Ubuntu love into my nephews since the days they were born
 I've got this cute video saved somewhere where my then 3yo nephew says his favorite os is Ubuntu :)
 @Milan Korecky, I just checked again. My M10 FHD says up-to-date on Rev.6
 @tylnesh, https://forums.ubports.com/topic/263/can-t-get-the-m10-fhd-to-take-the-flash
 @tylnesh not sure if your read this?
[21:34] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @Stereofont  No, it does not works for me, I can switch only between stable and development. Selecting RC does not works, nothing happens.
 no, I haven't
 gonna try that one
 after I try UBports installer on 16.04
 @Milan Korecky, I am on RC. If I select stable nothing happens
 @Stereofont, I tried switching to devel. That works. Now I can switch to stable from development …
 @Milan Korecky, Same to me with BQ E5. Seems switching among channels have got some difficulties...
 Hmm. It says updates available: update failed
 @Milan Korecky, SORRY Milan My daughter was at ubuntu meetup when she was in a baby stroller and has been backing my ubuntu agenda since then.  Gonna have to shut you down.  But she can be second!
 It updates in the selection field but is not retained when I go back a page. Now says stable when I set RC
 There was a problem with date reversion to 1972. If the system performs a sense check it will see everything as 'old'
 UBports installer seems to be working fine on 16.04
[21:50] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @wayneoutthere you are right, you mentioned it on the audiocast talking about her she was painting you preparing new audiocast, how could I forget it. I hope I can get one more chance to show I can stay here among the UT pioneers!!! My apologize to you and your young lady.
 @tylnesh, 🤗
 soon, I'll be running proper OS on my tablet
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/FNd6L8FH/file_1238.mp4
 Channel stays at the one previously selected. So you can work through them
 The selection is always one behind
[21:53] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @Stereofont, actituteI cinfirm exactly the same performance, behavior.
 Hi everybody. Just a newbie question.
 @tylnesh, dang. that's such an awesome gif with many flashbacks
 Can I install Ubuntu touch in an oneplus one via windows?
 @Milan Korecky, I shall forgive you just this once!
 I'm trying to use the ubports installer with no luck.
 however, maybe your daughter can start programming and contributing more than mine in which case... mine shall lose her trophy... and we can see if they can collaborate together!
 @Milan Korecky, Now stuck on devel …
 is this on or off topic?  O' Judge Ivan?
[21:57] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @Stereofont me the same
 In 'About' it says I am in devel even though nothing downloaded
[21:58] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @wayneoutthere, he is not here, let us have little fun 😜
[22:00] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> how was it, with that new keyboard behavior @Flohack said during the QA? since I am on delve now, I could try it
[22:03] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/Ny5XayH2/file_1240.jpg
[22:04] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> The Grey button was just some minutes ago missing, and now it appears, strange
 @Milan Korecky, In terminal it says I am in RC
 @Flohack I think you had a theory about this not too long ago
 Milan has date 09.09.70
 Hmm... UBports installer claimed success, but it's been ages and the tablet doesnt boot
 past Powered by Ubuntu screen
 Mine is different format 25/09/2017
 tired already, I'm gonna try again tomorrow.
 @tylnesh, Three minutes?
 more like 7
 First time longer
 ok, gonna let it go for couple more minutes, then I'm gonn ashut it down and try tomorrow, when I get back from work.
 Good night, folks!
[22:13] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @wayneoutthere, She does not know it yet, but I am preparing me to show her soon the basic commands for terminal, I will share with you her reaction, I need some professional coder here that could help us in the future to keep developing UT.
 thanks for all the work!
 and help!
[22:13] <tgBot> <Frank Fricke> @Stereofont, I had the same problem with rc channel a few days ago  therefore I switched to devel channel (Version 41) Works really well on BQ M10FHD. The long boot time error is fixed...now it starts in 27sec
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/EzyU8wAK/file_1241.mp4
 It works
 @Frank Fricke, Milan has version r.181? ?
 @tylnesh, 🤗
[22:19] <tgBot> <Frank Fricke> @Stereofont, yes r181 but for Nexus5, seee … https://system-image.ubports.com/ubports-touch/15.04/devel/hammerhead/
[22:21] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @tylnesh, Congrats and enjoy 🙂
 @Frank Fricke, Ahah! When you go back a page it doesn't carry the change but it DOES change. Devel is now downloading
 Yep... So different from what I remember
 @tylnesh, Try Dekko2. You can install alongside Dekko
[22:32] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/Z8pvSQm0/file_1243.jpg
[22:32] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> and don forget to install also
 And ontheroad if you develop
[22:34] <tgBot> Ricardo was added by: Ricardo
 Welcome Ricardo!
 @Frank Fricke, Very fast. The tablet is not critical at all so devel is no risk really
[22:46] <tgBot> <Frank Fricke> Indeed ...version 41 works fine with my device since 6days...no problems so far
 The browser icon no longer looks like Safari 🤣
[22:48] <tgBot> <Frank Fricke> yes, taht true 😉
 @Milan Korecky, I think it's pretty dishonest that Marius himself is offering this, what if I as a developer want to include ads in my application?
 @samzn, What if i'm a user who doesn't want to see ads and prefers to pay for the application? If you're an app dev, add a donation link to your apps openstore page, if i depend on your app, i will donate. But my time is too valuable to be wasted looking at ads
 this is basically what free software is about. What the developer wants doesn't matter, the user should control the software
[23:31] <tgBot> Johan was added by: Johan
 @neothethird, this conversation is.... totally interesting.  Joe! @exar_kun  #audiocast!