| jbicha | duflu: do you ever have gnome-shell hang when resuming from suspend? | 02:30 |
|---|---|---|
| duflu | jbicha, after years of bugs I still fear suspend too much to ever suspend :/ | 02:31 |
| duflu | Also don't need to. I can either stay powered on, or just power off | 02:31 |
| jbicha | well anyway, I believe Jonas's "headless" work in mutter helps fix some of those hangs/crashes | 02:31 |
| jbicha | there are 2 more commits in the gnome-3-26 branch for that, that we didn't cherry-pick yet | 02:32 |
| chobitslinux | Well, hope ubuntu18 can use a brilliant gui, but the gnome3 overview is not fluent than the gnome2, I used to use ubuntu11.04 with the typical unity,at some way, mate-like desktop is good. | 02:35 |
| duflu | chobitslinux, there is actually a Classic mode in Gnome3. Just: apt install gnome-shell-extensions | 02:36 |
| duflu | or: sudo apt install gnome-shell-extensions | 02:37 |
| duflu | and then select the classic session on the login screen | 02:37 |
| chobitslinux | duflu, Oh,thanks,I just has nostalgic idea. | 02:46 |
| jamesh | robert_ancell: for bug 1722195, the only way I can understand him getting a polkit prompt on the command line but not in gnome-software is if he's running against an old libsnapd-glib. I'm just going to fire up a clean VM to see if I can reproduce | 02:48 |
| ubot5 | bug 1722195 in gnome-software (Ubuntu Artful) "no policy kit auth dialog to install or remove a snap" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1722195 | 02:48 |
| chobitslinux_ | wa, net stability is not well these days. | 02:58 |
| === chobitslinux_ is now known as chobitslinux | ||
| jbicha | robert_ancell: I tried installing the moon-buggy snap and at 99% it's maxing out my cpu for several minutes :( | 03:05 |
| robert_ancell | jbicha: from the ppa version | 03:05 |
| robert_ancell | ? | 03:05 |
| jbicha | no, from gnome-software in artful | 03:06 |
| * jbicha wonders what happens if I press Cancel | 03:06 | |
| robert_ancell | jbicha: can you confim the versioN? | 03:06 |
| chobitslinux | is the problem of CPU poor? | 03:06 |
| jbicha | gnome-software 3.26.1-0ubuntu1, any other versions you want? | 03:06 |
| robert_ancell | I'd hoped the CPU issues were resolved in that release... :( | 03:08 |
| robert_ancell | jbicha: does it reliably reproduce? | 03:09 |
| jbicha | well when I killed it, it had actually finished installing and it didn't happen when I installed oh my giraffe | 03:16 |
| oSoMoN | good morning desktoppers | 05:48 |
| didrocks | good morning | 07:20 |
| duflu | Morning didrocks, oSoMoN | 07:20 |
| didrocks | hey duflu | 07:20 |
| seb128 | good morning desktopers | 07:37 |
| seb128 | hey duflu oSoMoN, re didrocks | 07:37 |
| duflu | Hi seb128 | 07:37 |
| didrocks | re seb128 | 07:38 |
| _amano | Good morning desktoppers, can you have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1723577 please? | 07:47 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1723577 in gdm3 (Ubuntu) "Artful won't start with Wayland activated" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 07:47 |
| seb128 | brb, moving location | 07:48 |
| _amano | Looks like a showstopper bug. A fresh install freezing during/after displaying the Ubuntu splash screen. | 07:49 |
| didrocks | jibel: do we have other similar reports ? ^ | 07:49 |
| * didrocks looks at the comments meanwhile | 07:50 | |
| didrocks | _amano: you told it worked until the week of the 7th October, are you able to downgrade some packages to help bisecting? | 07:52 |
| willcooke | morning all | 07:55 |
| duflu | Morning willcooke. Back in the land of the living yet? | 07:56 |
| willcooke | duflu, I'm doing my best impression of someone who is awake | 07:56 |
| willcooke | it's not terribly convincing | 07:56 |
| didrocks | good morning willcooke, had an uneventful trip back? | 07:56 |
| duflu | On IRC it is convincing. At least for a chatbot | 07:57 |
| willcooke | :) Thanks $PERSON. How about that $LOCAL_SPORTS_TEAM | 07:57 |
| didrocks | (only with set -e) | 07:57 |
| duflu | Go ${TEAM_NAME}s | 07:58 |
| Laney | moin | 08:01 |
| didrocks | hey Laney, you middly awake too? | 08:02 |
| seb128 | hey Laney, how are you? had a good week in n.y, trip back and beer festival/w.e? | 08:02 |
| duflu | Morning(ish?) Laney | 08:03 |
| oSoMoN | hey willcooke, Laney, welcome back to the old world | 08:03 |
| seb128 | is there any way to tell mailman to shup up about "moderator request waiting" daily emails? | 08:04 |
| seb128 | hey willcooke | 08:04 |
| willcooke | seb128, for the desktop list? | 08:04 |
| seb128 | willcooke, yes | 08:04 |
| seb128 | it's annoying that they changed the config when they upgraded/did maintainance | 08:05 |
| didrocks | ok, 2 people on the french forum have that issue + _amano at least | 08:05 |
| seb128 | I found options to disable the emails it was sending about every new request coming | 08:05 |
| Laney | hi didrocks seb128 duflu oSoMoN | 08:05 |
| * didrocks tries to get some help from them for bisecting | 08:05 | |
| seb128 | but not about the daily nag | 08:05 |
| * Laney is mostly alive | 08:05 | |
| seb128 | didrocks, having issue with gdm/wayland on some drivers? | 08:06 |
| didrocks | yep | 08:06 |
| didrocks | since the 07/10 | 08:06 |
| duflu | Aha! didrocks, using an AMD GPU? | 08:07 |
| seb128 | what changed then? | 08:07 |
| didrocks | GNOME 3.26.1, so, a lot :p | 08:07 |
| seb128 | :-/ | 08:07 |
| didrocks | (they aren't sure if it's the 05 or 07) | 08:07 |
| duflu | (me saw some complaints about AMD today where people said it happened around 7/10) | 08:07 |
| didrocks | trying to get them on IRC to bisect | 08:07 |
| didrocks | yeah | 08:07 |
| didrocks | saw your typo fix on "artful*l*" duflu :p | 08:07 |
| seb128 | no gdm upload at least around those dates | 08:08 |
| didrocks | yeah, could be mutter/G-S… | 08:08 |
| duflu | didrocks, Mesa is often the cause of sudden graphical failures. And it got an upgrade on 5 Oct | 08:10 |
| didrocks | good hint | 08:11 |
| didrocks | yeah, it's a valid candidate | 08:11 |
| seb128 | tjaalton, ^ | 08:11 |
| duflu | To be fair, that should read "for cases of sudden graphical failures, a mesa upgrade is often the cause". More generally mesa does not "often" cause failures | 08:13 |
| GunnarHj | Hi Laney, There might be some noise about bug #1722427 in your mailbox. Even if I succeeded in getting a fix into the archive yesterday, I'd appreciate your view on it. | 08:17 |
| ubot5 | bug 1722427 in Ubuntu Kylin "[error-report]error occurs when reading /etc/profile" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1722427 | 08:17 |
| GunnarHj | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/im-config/0.32-1ubuntu3 | 08:17 |
| GunnarHj | Is it acceptable for 17.10? | 08:17 |
| Laney | GunnarHj: I guess the concern is hiding real errors there, right? | 08:30 |
| Laney | like, why is that junk in stderr? | 08:30 |
| Laney | but as for acceptable for release - well, someone on the release team accepted it so there's your answer :P | 08:31 |
| GunnarHj | Laney: Precisely. Something I'm not sure about is if possible errors when using Fcitx later also will be discarded. If so, it's not ideal, and if there is a better solution I can SRU it. | 08:33 |
| Laney | probably silence dbus-update-activation-environment and the other stuff | 08:34 |
| Laney | that would involve hunting down where they are called from though | 08:34 |
| GunnarHj | Laney: That would be over my head. My impression is that /etc/profile.d is a temporary thing for 17.10, and that the graphical systemd service will be working again in 18.04. | 08:35 |
| seb128 | didrocks, duflu, just for info there seems to be a least a kernel regression when using nouveau with displayp, bug #1723619, it's different from the issue discussed earlier but I'm mentioning it in case somebody on nouveau joins the bug with a "me too" so we can redirect him | 08:35 |
| ubot5 | bug 1723619 in linux (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Desktop ISO fails to boot with nouveau on a displayport" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1723619 | 08:35 |
| didrocks | seb128: ahah, nicely spotted! Yeah, so that could be confusing | 08:37 |
| andyrock | hey all | 08:37 |
| duflu | seb128, Thanks. I used to have a GTX970 but not any more. Sounds like it's not a huge regression though, because AFAIK it hasn't worked in a while: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1613158 | 08:37 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1613158 in linux (Ubuntu) "Booting with Nvidia GTX 970 hangs with an orange/corrupt screen in kernels 4.8-4.11 (but works with 4.4.0)" [High,Confirmed] | 08:37 |
| didrocks | hey andyrock | 08:37 |
| andyrock | hey didrocks | 08:38 |
| andyrock | how are you? | 08:38 |
| didrocks | good thanks! but tired (didn't get a restful week-end due to son being sick), and you? | 08:39 |
| andyrock | :/ | 08:40 |
| andyrock | I had a productive w-e | 08:40 |
| andyrock | I finally found a new room | 08:40 |
| andyrock | to move in | 08:40 |
| didrocks | oh great! when are you planning to move? | 08:41 |
| andyrock | so I don't have to spend next w-e looking for a flat | 08:41 |
| andyrock | next monday | 08:41 |
| andyrock | \o/ | 08:41 |
| Laney | didrocks: seb128: sorry, got jumped on for like 5 things so didn't reply to you properly | 08:42 |
| Laney | beer fest was great as usual | 08:42 |
| seb128 | Laney, no worry :-) | 08:42 |
| Laney | unusually warm, like 20° | 08:43 |
| seb128 | hey andyrock | 08:43 |
| Laney | so we hung around outside for a while | 08:43 |
| Laney | and I had the row to myself on the plane back so could sleep across the chairs | 08:43 |
| Laney | was just like business class | 08:43 |
| willcooke | Nice! | 08:43 |
| Laney | hey willcooke | 08:44 |
| Laney | get back ok? | 08:44 |
| didrocks | free upgrade © | 08:44 |
| didrocks | andyrock: waow, that's quick! | 08:44 |
| willcooke | I got an empty seat next to me, but the person in front of me had their chair back right away. So I stuck my knees in their back to make myself feel better. | 08:44 |
| didrocks | andyrock: enjoy moving in :) | 08:44 |
| andyrock | btw I found a way to reproduce | 08:44 |
| andyrock | https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/f738a467f5d04cbf9ac6cf7554a28bd064e4091a | 08:44 |
| seb128 | andyrock, how do you trigger it? | 08:52 |
| andyrock | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1720400/comments/2 | 08:52 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1720400 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "/usr/bin/gnome-control-center:11:update_buffers:image_get_buffers:intel_update_image_buffers:intel_update_renderbuffers:intel_prepare_render" [High,Triaged] | 08:52 |
| andyrock | seb128: ^^^ | 08:52 |
| andyrock | I'm working on it | 08:52 |
| seb128 | andyrock, thanks | 08:52 |
| andyrock | trying to understand if I can fix it otherwise I'll ping the gnome-control-center guys | 08:53 |
| seb128 | andyrock, when you write "system should crash" do you mean g-c-c or the session or the kernel? | 08:53 |
| andyrock | just g-c-c | 08:54 |
| andyrock | I'll update that | 08:54 |
| andyrock | thanks | 08:55 |
| seb128 | thx | 08:57 |
| seb128 | brb | 09:00 |
| willcooke | jibel, would you be able to test https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1723312 today? | 09:12 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1723312 in gnome-software (Ubuntu Artful) "/usr/bin/gnome-software:11:g_variant_is_trusted:g_variant_builder_add_value:g_variant_valist_new:g_variant_new_va:g_variant_new" [Critical,Fix committed] | 09:12 |
| didrocks | ok, I got on the impacted french guy not being able to start gdm on AMD to test during his lunch time at home some reverts, gave him instructions on the forum | 09:13 |
| jibel | willcooke, I'm on it | 09:15 |
| jibel | willcooke, everything looks good so far | 09:15 |
| willcooke | merci jibel | 09:17 |
| Laney | ooh | 09:24 |
| Laney | gcal now has an option for UTC (no DST) | 09:24 |
| duflu | Ugh. Europe morning. | 09:28 |
| * duflu gives up retrying Launchpad timeouts | 09:28 | |
| willcooke | heh | 09:28 |
| jibel | seb128, I select French / TZ=Paris and Ubiquity proposed an English kb. Hasn't it been fixed? | 09:29 |
| jibel | today's build | 09:29 |
| seb128 | jibel, I don't know, it hasn't been worked on that I though | 09:33 |
| seb128 | we were unsure if the keyboard was supposed to match the tz selection | 09:33 |
| seb128 | the one which was fixed is that the layout was not changing when you selected another one | 09:33 |
| GunnarHj | jibel, seb128: Previously the proposed kb was due to the selected language, while the tz selection added regional LC_* settings in /etc/default/locale. | 09:53 |
| jibel | GunnarHj, yeah but it is not working. If I select French the default keyboard layout is english | 10:01 |
| jibel | associating the layout to the tz does not make a lot of sense anyway | 10:02 |
| GunnarHj | jibel: I see. Then it's a new bug. Agree that tz -> kb wouldn't make much sense, but that relation was not present previously either, right? | 10:05 |
| jibel | GunnarHj, No I don't think it was. | 10:07 |
| jibel | But I couldn't find any spec that describes the expected behaviour | 10:08 |
| andyrock | looks like someone broke wpa2 | 10:23 |
| willcooke | andyrock, in Ubuntu or just generally? | 10:24 |
| andyrock | in generally | 10:25 |
| willcooke | ohhhhhh shii........ | 10:25 |
| andyrock | https://www.krackattacks.com/ | 10:25 |
| andyrock | there are news around | 10:25 |
| * didrocks unplugs his router until a fix come in! EOW then? ;) | 10:26 | |
| willcooke | heh, night didrocks | 10:29 |
| * duflu -> dinner | 10:29 | |
| didrocks | ;) | 10:29 |
| didrocks | if only! | 10:29 |
| didrocks | ok, so discourse integration is broken again, opening a topic manually | 10:30 |
| didrocks | https://community.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-gnome-shell-in-artful-day-15/662 | 10:32 |
| didrocks | updated the blog post to point to it (at least, only people reading the blog post will have the link to comment ;)) | 10:33 |
| tjaalton | seb128: diff between mesa 17.2.1..17.2.2 doesn't seem too alarming, maybe could've been the kernel too. added a comment on the bug | 10:46 |
| didrocks | tjaalton: could be, people mention that it broke between the 5th and 7th, I asked on the french forum for someone to try older mesa with detailed instructions on how to downgrade, we'll see how this work… | 10:52 |
| tjaalton | didrocks: ok, thanks | 10:55 |
| tjaalton | it was a bugfix update, would be surprising if it broke in this way | 10:55 |
| didrocks | yeah, if not, I'll ask to restart on an older kernel | 10:56 |
| tjaalton | log diff https://pastebin.com/N9DtzfKp | 10:56 |
| didrocks | at least, there 3 people we can get in touch with having the issue, this is the positive side of it :) | 10:57 |
| tjaalton | yup | 11:01 |
| seb128 | jibel, btw I can't confirm that layout selection bug, if I boot in french then Français/azerty is pre-selected | 11:31 |
| seb128 | jibel, I pick the lang from the syslinux early boot and tried install only mode | 11:31 |
| jibel | seb128, where do you select french? | 11:38 |
| jibel | right in syslinugx | 11:38 |
| jibel | but if you select french in ubiquity it's english | 11:39 |
| seb128 | oh, ok | 11:41 |
| seb128 | did that work in the past? | 11:41 |
| seb128 | I always use the syslinux first menu to select the language | 11:41 |
| jibel | I think it did. I'll try in xenial | 11:44 |
| seb128 | thx | 11:49 |
| amano | tjaalton, I was on 4.13.0.12 when noticing the regression. And reverted back to 4.13.0.11, which didn't change anything. So I don't think that a kernel update broke my Wayland on October 6th. I will try downgrading later in the evening anyway, but I don't have time now (my GF was just taken to the hospital with breathing probs). | 12:14 |
| tjaalton | amano: artful had 4.12 not too long ago.. | 12:18 |
| tjaalton | 4.13.0-12 was the first release of the series that got in artful iirc | 12:19 |
| amano | Oki. Will try to downgrade. | 12:20 |
| amano | And it is not | 12:28 |
| amano | Amd only, I have got an ION chipset which is nv50 | 12:30 |
| amano | ventrical has an old nvidia card as well | 12:33 |
| jbicha_ | Laney: fyi I pushed a fix for LP: #1719043 to our gtk3 bzr repo in case you manage to figure out the software-properties issue | 12:57 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1719043 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu) "Gnome web urlbar very slow to show typed input" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1719043 | 12:57 |
| Tribaal | hi all, where (which channel) is the community iso testing happening? | 12:57 |
| Tribaal | I saw omething fly by on my twitter feed but can't find it again :/ | 12:58 |
| Laney | jbicha_: alright, trying to work on that bug | 12:58 |
| Laney | cheers | 12:58 |
| tjaalton | amano: so, not radeon which the bug was about? | 13:06 |
| jibel | Tribaal, we are having an UbuntuOnAir tonight at 3PM UTC | 13:26 |
| jibel | Tribaal, more infos on https://community.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-17-10-community-iso-testing/458 | 13:27 |
| Tribaal | jibel: thanks, that's what I was looking for :) | 13:27 |
| jibel | yw :) | 13:27 |
| Tribaal | I've been doing some of that over the weekend already, wanted to report/retest my findings | 13:28 |
| jibel | thanks. It's the right place to go. I saw your bug with nouveau, in the meantime continue filing bugs | 13:29 |
| amano | tjaalton, i can confirm now that it is still freezing on on 4.12.0.13 which is from early September | 13:35 |
| tjaalton | amano: so another bug then | 13:39 |
| === amano_ is now known as amano | ||
| didrocks | tjaalton: ok, mesa doesn't seem to be the issue for the ATI users | 13:46 |
| didrocks | I'm asking them to revert the kernel now | 13:46 |
| tjaalton | didrocks: cool | 14:04 |
| mbiebl_ | I just upgraded a test system from 17.04 to 17.10. The upgrade from Unity to GNOME was suprisingly smooth. Nice job | 14:10 |
| mbiebl_ | There are just some smaller issues | 14:11 |
| seb128 | mbiebl_, nice, thanks for the feedback :) | 14:11 |
| mbiebl_ | E.g. in libreoffice, when I browse through the menu | 14:11 |
| seb128 | mbiebl_, do you have a list? | 14:11 |
| mbiebl_ | and the window is not maximised (i.e. translucent) | 14:11 |
| mbiebl_ | it quickly switches between transparent and black | 14:11 |
| mbiebl_ | i.e. the top bar flickers | 14:12 |
| mbiebl_ | does anyone else see this or could this be a local configuration issue (this system has seen a few dist-upgrades) | 14:12 |
| didrocks | mbiebl_: does the menu touch or is near the top panel by any chance when you are browing through it? | 14:13 |
| seb128 | mbiebl_, I see that as well, it does it with any application so not specific to libreoffice (just tried glade as well), I think it's a GNOME 3.26 bug | 14:15 |
| seb128 | it does the same when opening a menu | 14:15 |
| * didrocks can't confirm, but I'm in a Xorg session right now | 14:15 | |
| seb128 | didrocks, I guess menus are a special type of surface and they made the panel change state when they open | 14:15 |
| didrocks | so window placements and detection… | 14:15 |
| seb128 | make | 14:15 |
| didrocks | but the panel should only change state when in proximity from the panel | 14:15 |
| didrocks | (or the dock in our case) | 14:16 |
| seb128 | didrocks, you are on an empty workspace? like no maximized win under yours? | 14:16 |
| didrocks | like | 14:16 |
| didrocks | yes | 14:16 |
| seb128 | k, maybe wayland specific | 14:16 |
| seb128 | and no, my glade is no near of any board | 14:16 |
| seb128 | it's a small win in the middle | 14:16 |
| didrocks | so, wherever is the menu it's happening, interesting | 14:16 |
| seb128 | I think the menus just open maybe a surface in one position and then move it to dock to the cursor or something | 14:16 |
| didrocks | I think upstream Shell issue, indeed (you should have the same in debian mbiebl_) as the dock only "plugs" itself proximity detection on it | 14:17 |
| didrocks | so we don't have any distro-patch for this | 14:17 |
| didrocks | let me see if there was a fix in the shell for proximity that dash to dock didn't backport | 14:17 |
| mbiebl_ | seb128: https://people.debian.org/~biebl/gnome-shell-topbar.webm | 14:17 |
| didrocks | (as they did code copy) | 14:17 |
| mbiebl_ | didrocks: ^ | 14:18 |
| seb128 | didrocks, it's a top panel issue, not a dock one | 14:18 |
| didrocks | seb128: unsure, their state is linked | 14:18 |
| seb128 | k | 14:18 |
| mbiebl_ | actually, both the dock and the topbar flicker | 14:18 |
| seb128 | right | 14:18 |
| didrocks | let me confirm it quickly with a second user, brb | 14:18 |
| seb128 | it's more visible on the panel with the text | 14:18 |
| didrocks | yeah, the handler is "hooked" | 14:18 |
| flexiondotorg | We're live at 15:00 UTC (in ~40 mins) over at UbuntuOnAir with some final ISO testing for #ubuntu 17.10. Join us! http://ubuntuonair.com/ | 14:19 |
| didrocks | mbiebl_: seb128: confirming, happening only on Wayland, and on the vanilla session as well (with no dock), so upstream issue | 14:20 |
| didrocks | mbiebl_: mind opening a bugzilla issue against the Shell? (the presence detection code is there) | 14:20 |
| didrocks | (and hey! long time no see ;)) | 14:21 |
| mbiebl_ | didrocks: wasn't sure if it's an upstream issue | 14:21 |
| didrocks | I didn't see it much here, my flickering is way faster | 14:21 |
| mbiebl_ | haven't seen this under debian | 14:21 |
| didrocks | same machine ? | 14:21 |
| mbiebl_ | will try to confirm that there as well | 14:21 |
| mbiebl_ | yeah | 14:21 |
| seb128 | didrocks, could it be theme specific? | 14:21 |
| didrocks | yeah, I guess you should have it too in debian | 14:21 |
| didrocks | seb128: not really, well, maybe it's less visible with default theme because it's not a gradient | 14:22 |
| didrocks | so quicker to paint | 14:22 |
| didrocks | but there is no css magic or anything changing the behavior | 14:22 |
| didrocks | (and nothing in the js) | 14:22 |
| mbiebl_ | didrocks: that the sidebar(dock) changes translucency as well is an Ubuntu specific change for now, right? | 14:23 |
| mbiebl_ | I don't see that in the default dash-to-dock as available on extensions.g.o | 14:23 |
| didrocks | mbiebl_: indeed, the dock is, it syncs its state with the top bar one | 14:23 |
| didrocks | mbiebl_: ah, it's in dash to dock, but they didn't release it yet AFAIK | 14:24 |
| didrocks | we don't have any patch against dash to dock apart from changing the default with gsettings override | 14:24 |
| mbiebl_ | ok, maybe that's the reason I don't see that under debian then | 14:24 |
| didrocks | (and removing the prefs) | 14:24 |
| didrocks | you should still have the top bar flickering | 14:25 |
| didrocks | in debian | 14:25 |
| didrocks | I did try on a GNOME vanilla session | 14:25 |
| didrocks | and still see it | 14:25 |
| didrocks | (apt install gnome-session -> choose the gnome session in gdm) | 14:25 |
| didrocks | no dock there | 14:25 |
| didrocks | and default upstream theme | 14:25 |
| didrocks | (unfortunately, you need to generally restart the gdm systemd service to get the session option showing up) | 14:26 |
| mbiebl_ | confirmed, happens under Debian as well | 14:28 |
| seb128 | ah :) | 14:28 |
| mbiebl_ | it was just not as visible | 14:28 |
| seb128 | good | 14:28 |
| mbiebl_ | and, more importantly | 14:28 |
| mbiebl_ | I forgot that I did run the Xorg session there :-) | 14:28 |
| seb128 | jibel, btw I tried a xenial issue, your keyboard selection bug is already there so it's nothing new | 14:28 |
| didrocks | haha, double confirmation :-) | 14:28 |
| didrocks | but yeah, harder to see with the default theme, I think it's the gradient being slower to paint | 14:29 |
| mbiebl_ | didrocks: will file an upstream gnome-shell bug report | 14:29 |
| mbiebl_ | thanks for the hint | 14:29 |
| didrocks | thanks mbiebl_! do not hesitate if you see anything weird on our session compared to debian, we are not free of some issues on our sides :) | 14:30 |
| jibel | seb128, thanks, nothing critical anyway | 14:30 |
| seb128 | indeed not | 14:30 |
| seb128 | mbiebl_, did you have other issues on your list? | 14:31 |
| didrocks | seb128: tseliot: keeping you posted, kernel is out on the ATI issue, asking now to revert mutter | 14:31 |
| didrocks | if you see anything else on the archive at that time that could be the cause, please shout | 14:31 |
| seb128 | didrocks, thanks (and you probably meant tjaalton ^) | 14:31 |
| didrocks | oupsss | 14:31 |
| didrocks | ;) | 14:31 |
| seb128 | :) | 14:31 |
| mbiebl_ | mbiebl_: the monitor config was gone after the upgrade | 14:31 |
| seb128 | right, another GNOME issue | 14:31 |
| seb128 | I think they changed the format what they moved the handling away from g-s-d | 14:32 |
| mbiebl_ | I have an external monitor | 14:32 |
| seb128 | I wonder if that's worth trying to do a migration :-/ | 14:32 |
| mbiebl_ | when docked, I disable the internal one | 14:32 |
| mbiebl_ | (from the laptop) | 14:32 |
| mbiebl_ | after the upgrade both were active again | 14:32 |
| mbiebl_ | the input-field-follows-mouse on multi monitors was something I liked in lightdm btw | 14:33 |
| mbiebl_ | would be great if you could port that to gdm :-) | 14:33 |
| mbiebl_ | didrocks: what would be the right keyword / bug description for the gnome-shell bug? | 14:34 |
| didrocks | mbiebl_: "[Wayland] top bar dynamic transparency flickers between transparent and solid when browing through menus" ? | 14:35 |
| didrocks | or something along those lines | 14:36 |
| mbiebl_ | k, will use that one | 14:36 |
| mbiebl_ | my machine is 6 years old :-) | 14:40 |
| mbiebl_ | https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=789060 | 14:40 |
| ubot5 | Gnome bug 789060 in general "[Wayland] top bar dynamic transparency flickers between transparent and solid when browing through menus" [Normal,New] | 14:40 |
| mbiebl_ | fwiw | 14:40 |
| seb128 | thx | 14:41 |
| didrocks | perfect! I'll try to get a friend on fedora confirming as well | 14:41 |
| tseliot | didrocks: what ATI issue? | 14:51 |
| tseliot | didrocks: or was that meant for tjaalton? ^ | 14:52 |
| tjaalton | tseliot: yep | 14:52 |
| tseliot | ok | 14:52 |
| mbiebl_ | didrocks: another small issue: the scrollbar in gnome-terminal shows a black border on the right side | 15:09 |
| mbiebl_ | which is one or two pixels larger then the window size | 15:09 |
| mbiebl_ | https://people.debian.org/~biebl/gnome-terminal-scrollbar.png | 15:11 |
| Trevinho | hi guys | 15:15 |
| kenvandine | hey Trevinho | 15:15 |
| Trevinho | hi ken | 15:15 |
| jbicha_ | mbiebl_: I believe that's upstream too (check with Adwaita on Wayland) | 15:15 |
| mbiebl_ | I'm also not sure, if unity is still supported in 17.10, but after recreating my monitor setup with g-c-c and trying to start the unity session (which was still installed after the dist-upgrade) | 15:15 |
| mbiebl_ | it is extremely unhappy with the config | 15:16 |
| Trevinho | oh... monitors.xml... | 15:16 |
| Trevinho | whe should move usd to use another file I gues too | 15:16 |
| Trevinho | mbiebl_: file a bug please | 15:16 |
| mbiebl_ | Trevinho: which component? | 15:17 |
| mbiebl_ | jbicha_: hm, no, can't reproduce under Debian/GNOME/Wayland | 15:30 |
| jbicha_ | mbiebl_: I don't know, Debian is giving me X11 even when I choose "GNOME", see LP: #1720651 | 15:38 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1720651 in gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) "Scrollbar drawing broken on wayland sesssion" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1720651 | 15:38 |
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| didrocks | mbiebl_: nicely spotted! Could be our theme on that one, Trevinho wdyt ^ (https://people.debian.org/~biebl/gnome-terminal-scrollbar.png) | 15:47 |
| didrocks | tjaalton: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/341059901/Upgrades the issue started between the 5 and the 7th, this is what was updated, any idea? | 15:50 |
| didrocks | mutter was ruled out of scope | 15:50 |
| jbicha | more specifically, the terminal issue could be in our gnome-terminal patches | 15:50 |
| tjaalton | didrocks: and this is booting to gdm which uses wayland? | 15:54 |
| didrocks | tjaalton: apparently yes (not showing up gdm). If they set EnabledWayland=false, it works from that day | 15:54 |
| tjaalton | ok, so that should rule out xserver I guess | 15:55 |
| didrocks | that's why I ruled out https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu | 15:55 |
| didrocks | yep | 15:55 |
| tjaalton | xserver synced from the stable tree in 2:1.19.3-1ubuntu7 | 15:55 |
| didrocks | apart if something like a fallback detection doesn't work anymore? | 15:55 |
| tjaalton | thinking if something in xwayland support would cause it, but can't see how | 15:56 |
| didrocks | hum, maybe not totally stupid to make them roll back xorg + affinities | 15:56 |
| didrocks | at least to give a try | 15:56 |
| dmj_s76 | It would be good to get this fix into artful (either on the iso or at least as a zero-day SRU) so users can actually configure their multi-monitor setups. | 15:58 |
| tjaalton | right | 16:00 |
| tjaalton | dmj_s76: what fix? | 16:01 |
| dmj_s76 | this patch to the bug I pasted above:: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=361491 | 16:01 |
| tjaalton | dmj_s76: ok, didn't see the paste | 16:03 |
| dmj_s76 | currently mutter refuses to set a scaling factor when any display is below 800x600 resolution. This means gnome control center (or any other method) will refuse to configure displays when you have a 1080p display plugged into a hidpi laptop (unless the user manually sets the hidpi screen to show insanely small) | 16:04 |
| dmj_s76 | The patch allows a scale factor to be set if *any* monitor supports it, rather than *every* monitor. | 16:05 |
| didrocks | tjaalton: I'm out of ideas, xorg didn't work either | 16:23 |
| jbicha | dmj_s76: could you open an Ubuntu bug for that issue? at this point in the release cycle, we need to attach LP bug numbers to issues and treat them like SRUs | 16:35 |
| jbicha | see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Procedure for the bug template | 16:36 |
| jbicha | *attach bug numbers to uploads | 16:36 |
| dmj_s76 | jbicha: on it | 16:38 |
| amano | didrocks, i am happy to help bisecting the GDM/Mesa/X/Plymouth/whatever regression. Sorry, that I didn't notice your request but things got out of control when my girlfriend had to be taken to the hospital. She is fine now BTW, :) | 16:38 |
| willcooke | ack | 16:42 |
| willcooke | oops wrong channel | 16:42 |
| flocculant | willcooke is never in the wrong channel even if it's #xubuntu-devel :) | 16:42 |
| willcooke | :) | 16:43 |
| willcooke | night all | 17:11 |
| dmj_s76 | jbicha: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter/+bug/1724024 | 17:23 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1724024 in mutter (Ubuntu) "can't set usable scale for hidpi internal display if when using external display less than 1600x1200" [Undecided,New] | 17:23 |
| oSoMoN | good night all | 17:28 |
| jbicha | dmj_s76: oh I forgot to mention that patch does not apply to the gnome-3-26 branch | 17:33 |
| dmj_s76 | jbicha: I'll rebase it | 17:34 |
| sarnold | rbasak: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1710637 sounds related to what you found last week | 17:57 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1710637 in console-setup (Ubuntu) "Input falls through to gdm3 and terminates the session on Ctrl+C after udevadm trigger is executed under wayland" [High,Fix released] | 17:57 |
| Gargoyle | Think I found a big security hole after installing "dash to panel" and "disable ubuntu dock" extensions. Just searching and looking if it exists.... | 18:09 |
| Gargoyle | https://www.dropbox.com/s/4wiyinog9969ibm/dash-dock-security.jpg?dl=0 | 18:13 |
| Gargoyle | Looks like it's the "Disable ubuntu dock" one... | 18:19 |
| rbasak | sarnold: thanks. That sounds like exactly what I have. I have a high enough console-setup now, so let's see and hopefully it won't happen again. | 18:37 |
| sarnold | rbasak: excellent | 18:38 |
| Gargoyle | Back again. Found the source for the extension:- https://github.com/Maestroschan/Disable-Ubuntu-Dock/blob/master/extension.js | 18:55 |
| Gargoyle | All it's doing is disabling 'ubuntu-dock@ubuntu.com' so I guess there's someone in an Ubuntu team that needs to fix it? | 18:55 |
| jbicha | Gargoyle: https://github.com/Maestroschan/Disable-Ubuntu-Dock/issues/2 | 18:56 |
| jbicha | Ubuntu doesn't maintain or provide support for third-party extensions like that | 18:57 |
| Gargoyle | Check the JS file. It's a whopping 21 lines. | 18:57 |
| jbicha | and it's not Ubuntu's bug | 18:57 |
| Gargoyle | I thought Ubuntu was using a customised version of DashToDock? | 19:03 |
| jbicha | sorry, I don't have experience writing GNOME Shell extensions | 19:04 |
| jbicha | I'm guessing that that extension doesn't have *enough* lines of code to work properly | 19:05 |
| Gargoyle | jbicha, to me, it looks like it just proxies to "something" that looks like an official Ubuntu extension. | 19:09 |
| Gargoyle | Looking into the official extension... Looks like it's just a fork of dash-to-dock. | 19:09 |
| jbicha | yes, Ubuntu supports Ubuntu Dock (which is just a variation on Dash to Dock) but we don't support other extensions that try to modify Ubuntu Dock | 19:11 |
| Gargoyle | By modify, all it is doing is disabling it. | 19:12 |
| jbicha | but it's obviously not doing that correctly :( | 19:16 |
| bittin_ | popey or Wimpy or someone else that might know is it possible to update Ubuntu MATE to the 17.10 RC without reinstalling a laptop? | 19:45 |
| dmj_s76 | jbicha: try the new patch in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter/+bug/1724024 | 20:07 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1724024 in mutter (Ubuntu) "can't set usable scale for hidpi internal display if when using external display less than 1600x1200" [Medium,In progress] | 20:07 |
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