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infinityLocutusOfBorg: So, what's the issue tilix has?  I just installed it and it appears to run/work...00:36
infinityLocutusOfBorg: Does that mean your rebuild worked fine, or is my system special? :P00:39
jbichainfinity: tilix works fine for me now too LP: #172110100:46
ubot5Launchpad bug 1721101 in tilix (Ubuntu) "tilix crashes on execution" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172110100:46
infinityjbicha: And the offending symbol is definitely there in an objdump, so it's clearly being resolved correctly now.00:49
infinityjbicha: So, crisis averted?00:49
jbichaok I closed the bug, thanks00:50
infinityMay point to an entirely different bug about one of tilix's deps not properly tracking ABI.00:50
infinityCause that sort of beakage should never happen when library/symbol deps are sane.00:50
jbichait's that new D language stuff00:52
infinity"new"00:52
infinityOnly 15 years old.00:52
infinityBut everyone always (poorly) reinvents the same wheels over and over.00:52
jbichawell gtk-d is new, right?00:53
infinityProbably.00:53
infinityI've only recently seen people writing GUI stuff in D.00:53
infinitySo, I guess it's the new hotness.00:53
infinityGod help us.00:53
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libgig (artful-proposed/universe) [4.0.0-3 => 4.0.0-5] (no packageset) (sync)01:13
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libgig [sync] (artful-proposed) [4.0.0-5]01:14
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LocutusOfBorginfinity, gtk-d not tracking correctly ABI is an already known issue06:12
LocutusOfBorgand from next upload will have ABI changes06:12
LocutusOfBorgsee message 50 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=87716806:13
ubot5Debian bug 877168 in release.debian.org "transition: ldc" [Normal,Open]06:13
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infinityLaney: armhf autopkgtest hosts are consistently exploding with ENOSPC.  Not sure how to get a better view into them to see why.  Any ideas?07:14
apwgawd, those things are a pita atm07:17
sil2100uh, the gtk+3.0 upload still stuck in -proposed I see07:20
sil2100Laney: you're assigned to the bug for the software-properties ADT regression - you working on that? :)07:23
infinityLaney: Belay that.  armhf runners are happier now that they're not under load.  But we definitely have Serious Issues when they're under load.  If they don't ENOSPC, they hit an nr_files limit.  Neither is good.07:40
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Laneysil2100: I've been trying but I don't know how to fix it yet08:05
Laneyinfinity: ok, well I would have logged onto one of the machines that was having problems and seen what was going on08:05
infinityLaney: I guess I don't know enough about the setup to know why that would be happening in the first place.08:08
infinityLaney: nr_files limit being hit makes sense if the global kernel limit is being hit across several containers.08:09
infinityLaney: But ENOSPC under load makes less sense to me, unless all the containers share a scratch space or something?08:09
infinityIn which case, it may well be that we've just parallelised a little too hard.08:09
LaneyThat hasn't been tweaked in ages, and we've had extremely large queues very many times08:10
infinityLaney: Andy and I were seeing this with the glibc flood, as well as other recent ones.08:11
infinityLaney: But before that, I admit I wasn't in a position to be paying attention.08:12
apwit cirtainly seems to be bad now, and i've not noticed this failure mode before08:14
Laneyany pointers for being able to see some evidence?08:15
apwLaney, we had a recent failure on umbrello with this08:16
apwand on tracker-miners08:16
Laney8 sh[31883]: 2017/10/13 18:32:10 socat[22766] E connect(5, AF=2 10.43.42.145:8443, 16): Connection refused08:17
infinityLaney: http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/b/blogilo/artful/armhf08:18
infinityLaney: Those three failures were all ENOSPC, and occurred when the armhf queue was going full tilt.  Retrying when it was quiet made them pass.08:19
apwLaney, i've pm'd you a couple of logs with one of each08:20
infinityjibel: LP: #1723404 confuses ,e.08:20
ubot5Launchpad bug 1723404 in livecd-rootfs (Ubuntu) "Wrong locale ' UTF-8' in /etc/locale.gen on desktop live image" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172340408:20
infinityjibel: Confuses me, too.08:20
infinityjibel: Steve marked it fix committed, you marked it fix released, I see zero evidence of that bug in the livecd-rootfs source.08:20
jibelinfinity, I checked the locale this morning on the image and it was correct. Let me double check08:21
infinityjibel: It may well be that the bug was fixed somewhere.  It clearly wasn't in the package the bug is assigned to. :P08:21
jibelinfinity, it is fixed in casper08:22
jibelhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/artful-changes/2017-October/011801.html08:23
infinityjibel: Check, thanks.  Reassigning.08:23
infinityI'm confused enough these days without people helping. ;)08:23
infinityHe fixed it oddly...08:24
sil2100;)08:24
sil2100I don't remember seeing LP: #1723760 when testing the iso a week ago08:26
ubot5Launchpad bug 1723760 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "No restart after installation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172376008:26
* sil2100 tries to check08:26
infinityMan, I hope that typo is actually in the kernel, not the bug submitter's by-hand copying.08:27
Laneyinfinity: This is going to be much easier if we catch it in the act08:28
infinitysil2100: I suspect that bug is the "not showing 'remove media and press enter' message" bug that has plagued us ever since plymouth.08:28
Laneythanks for the report & sorry for the inconvenience08:28
infinityLaney: I'll be sure to upload glibc again tomorrow.08:28
Laneyhopefully we can jettison this lxd stuff at some point08:28
infinityLaney: Did anyone have a frank "future arch support" discussion at the rally?08:29
infinityLaney: Cause I'd love to see armhf and i386 die.08:29
jibelsil2100, I cannot reproduce it in a VM.08:29
jibelsil2100, I get the 'remove media' prompt and the VM properly shutdowns08:30
infinityjibel: Yeah, he's probably not getting the prompt.  Which happens sometimes.08:30
infinityjibel: His hilarious "copy" and "paste" of kernel output is meaningless, that was from boot, not shutdown.08:31
infinity(I'm loving "cashing", though)08:31
jibel:)08:31
infinityNot getting the prompt looks a whole lot like hanging.  But it's also entirely safe to cut power there, so it's been a bit of "meh" every time we try to fix it and only slightly succeed.08:32
infinityThe best answer is probably going to be to pivot to another root.08:32
apwi see it often enough that i am always pleasently supprised when i do see the promt08:32
infinityOr give up and change the shutdown message to "we're going to try to shut down now, count to 20 and then set your computer on fire".08:33
infinityI wish we could just have the confidence that Microsoft does that people only run one OS, and it's ours.08:34
infinityCause that makes their method so much simpler.08:34
infinityWhen they boot to CD, if they find a bootable HDD, they turn around and chain to it (on a delay).08:35
infinityThus they can just reboot willy-nilly in the installer without removing media.08:35
infinityMaybe we could try that anyway.  Worst case, people boot into their old default Fedora or Win10? :P08:35
infinityOh, actually, better idea.  We have grub on our ISOs now.  We could legit poke gently for other grubs, and chain only to one we recognize.  Otherwise timeout and leave you at the boot menu.08:38
apw"Hit a key to boot this CD in the next 10s"08:38
infinitySo, on reboot with an Ubuntu CD in, you'd get Ubuntu.08:38
apwnow that i like08:39
apwhorrible semantics if you have a broken grub on the HDD probabally, but hey08:39
infinityWell, it'd have an interruptable delay, as you say above.08:39
infinityBut that would be the triggering condition for that.08:39
infinityWithout finding an Ubuntu, we'd just unconditionally launch you into the CD boot menu.08:39
apwand it would let us have a recovery option for "grub is broke"08:40
apwbecause you went near win1008:40
infinityCause I don't think "I have an Ubuntu CD in my drive, but I want you to boot through to windows" is a sane or reasonable flow.08:40
infinityBut "I left it on on reboot, why am I in the installer again" is lame.08:40
sil2100infinity: the missing -az langpacks have been uploaded08:43
sil2100Unfortunately I have no idea why they failed getting created during the last time, will try figuring out that later today, but a re-run just did the trick08:43
infinitysil2100: Thanks.08:44
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tseliotinfinity: hey, any chance nvidia can get in ^ ?09:27
tseliotinfinity: never mind09:28
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acheronukhi. are we likely to get any further iso respins in before the ubuntu-on-air community iso testing @ 15:00 UTC today?10:29
infinityacheronuk: I'm literally about to press the button.10:31
infinityacheronuk: So, they should be freshly done by then.10:31
infinityMight still be warm.10:32
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acheronukinfinity: excellent. thank you10:32
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sil2100Sweet11:01
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LocutusOfBorgany archive admin, please remove libmongodb-perl on i38612:22
LocutusOfBorgmissing build on i386: libmongodb-perl (from 1.4.5-1ubuntu1)12:22
LocutusOfBorgnot sure how you missed it, when you removed mongodb on i38612:22
* LocutusOfBorg is probably missing something12:23
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apwLocutusOfBorg, perhaps it was removed from -release, and that is in -proposed12:58
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smoserjoin #ubuntu-devel14:12
slashdsil2100, would you have time to release to systemd into trusty-updates (LP: #1718966)14:14
ubot5Launchpad bug 1718966 in systemd (Ubuntu Trusty) "Cannot install snaps on Ubuntu 14.04 with /var on its own partition" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/171896614:14
slashdsil2100, there is a few regression but they are all documented in the bug ^14:14
sil2100slashd: sure, let me take a look since I have a quieter moment now14:18
slashdsil2100, thanks a lot14:19
slashdtinoco, ^14:19
sil2100slashd: ok, looks goodish, let me publish - but before that I'll add a hint for the network-manager failure maybe14:31
slashdsil2100, ok thanks14:32
slashdtinoco, ^14:32
tinocoslashd: sil2100: tku14:32
rbasakCan we ignore the dep8 test for mariadb-10.1 please so that it can migrate? It's not a regression, rather caused by a new test that never succeeded on s390x. See https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1723947 for details.14:49
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1723947 in mariadb-10.1 (Ubuntu) "Current upload for 10.1.28-1 fails dep8 unitest on s390x" [Undecided,New]14:49
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LocutusOfBorgapw, can you fix it then?15:04
LocutusOfBorgI don't really know/remember if you keep a public log for removals15:04
apwLocutusOfBorg, sorry got distracted15:15
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apwLocutusOfBorg, is there a removal bug ?15:26
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LocutusOfBorgta!15:31
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ppc64-diag [ppc64el] (xenial-proposed/universe) [2.7.4-1~16.04] (no packageset)15:36
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LocutusOfBorgapw, none I'm aware of, this is why I was trying to search removals logs15:40
apwhrm15:40
LocutusOfBorgmongodb has been syncd by jbicha_ maybe he knows15:40
cjwatsonremovals are logged in the package's publication history in LP15:41
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LocutusOfBorghttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mongodb/+bug/167979215:41
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1679792 in mongodb (Ubuntu) "Please remove i386 binaries for 1:3.4.1-3" [High,Fix released]15:41
LocutusOfBorghere we are15:41
LocutusOfBorgupdated the bug15:42
LocutusOfBorgcjwatson, even binary removals?15:42
LocutusOfBorgwe are talking about mongodb dropped on i38615:42
cjwatsonLocutusOfBorg: yes15:46
cjwatsonthough they can be a little hard to find15:46
cjwatsonhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/artful/i386/mongodb just says "ANAIS" i.e. "architecture not included in source", which means that the package dropped i386 from its Architecture line15:47
LocutusOfBorgoh, I have to go to the single architecture page, I usually search "publishinghistory" from +source/foo15:52
LocutusOfBorgso, why the removal didn't propagate to i386 for its reverse-dependencies?15:53
LocutusOfBorgmeh15:53
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cjwatsonLocutusOfBorg: human error I assume16:47
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LocutusOfBorgack thanks!17:23
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-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [amd64] (trusty-proposed) [3.13.0-134.183]17:33
slangasekbdmurray: I see you accepted ppc64-diag into xenial-proposed for LP: #1708494, but rbasak rejected the same package for trusty-proposed due to lack of test case; do you want to un-reject the trusty one as well, now that upstream has provided a test case in the comments?17:39
ubot5Launchpad bug 1708494 in ppc64-diag (Ubuntu Zesty) "Update Package request for ppc64-diag" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/170849417:39
bdmurrayslangasek: I think I did but couldn't use sru-review because there were multiple versions in the rejected queue17:40
slangasekbdmurray: ahh ok17:40
slangasekbdmurray: then, thanks :)17:40
bdmurrayI'll add a comment though.17:40
LocutusOfBorgI subscribed archive-admins to lp: #167979217:47
ubot5Launchpad bug 1679792 in mongodb (Ubuntu) "Please remove i386 binaries for 1:3.4.1-3" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/167979217:47
LocutusOfBorghopefully we will see autopkgtests starting soon17:47
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: autopkgtest (artful-proposed/main) [5.0.1 => 5.0.2] (core) (sync)18:16
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: llvm-toolchain-snapshot (artful-proposed/universe) [1:6.0~svn311834-4~build4 => 1:6.0~svn315736-1] (no packageset) (sync)18:24
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted llvm-toolchain-snapshot [sync] (artful-proposed) [1:6.0~svn315736-1]18:24
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: sagemath (artful-proposed/universe) [8.0-8ubuntu2 => 8.0-8.1~build1] (no packageset)18:24
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted sagemath [source] (artful-proposed) [8.0-8.1~build1]18:25
rbasakIf not already considered, please could the security team consider wpa in artful unapproved? It seems likely a fairly important fix to me. Perhaps 0-day SRUable, but users installing with wifi available would still be affected (though maybe not catastrophically because apt will maintain integrity).18:48
LocutusOfBorg+118:55
rbasakUh, I meant the release team19:04
rbasakAlso, I'd like the fix on my laptop pretty please :)19:04
tsimonq2+1 on wpa19:05
tsimonq2infinity: Might it be worth a respin or is that out of the question?19:06
valorieI don't see that it's accepted yet?19:07
valorie+1 for speedy release in whatever means necessary19:07
tsimonq2I can justify a respin for Lubuntu, and we may not be the only flavor to consider doing that if it's thrown in the right place.19:07
valorieI've not gotten an update yet at least in artful19:08
naccrbasak did say "in artful unapproved"19:08
tsimonq2valorie: Yep, a member of the release team needs to accept it into Artful.19:08
naccas the archive is frozen, the release team has to accept it still19:08
tsimonq2nacc: Right...19:08
valorieoops, sorry, right19:09
valoriesee that now19:09
naccfeels like we're all in basic agreement :)19:09
tsimonq2I personally feel like it should be ushered through and a global respin should be done.19:10
valorie+119:10
tsimonq2But that is not my decision to make. :)19:10
valoriealthough that means our tests have to be redone19:10
valoriebut then that is expected19:10
tsimonq2While that is true, in my opinion the benefits outweigh the downsides.19:11
* flocculant adds voice for Xubuntu on that19:12
valorietsimonq2: amen to that19:16
bdmurrayinfinity, sil2100: cdimage still mentions using i386 images http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/daily-live/current/19:17
tsimonq2Speaking of cdimage, I think bashfulrobot was having some issues of some sort? Ping. ;)19:18
rbasakI'm not necessarily saying that the release team _should_ accept it. I just think they should consider it. I don't know the reasons why it might be a bad idea :)19:19
tsimonq2True. Of course, it's their final decision. But if Lubuntu has the option I'd like it in the 17.10 ISOs. (I'm not sure if a respin would pull it in if it was thrown into artful-updates)19:21
GrindamNHowdy everyone19:30
sil2100bdmurray: on the sprint we decided to still build i386 images but not publishing them for milestones19:45
valoriesil2100: how will testing be done then?19:46
valoriedaily images only?19:46
bdmurraysil2100: The instructions say "use the i386 images instead. Choose this if you are at all unsure." I think the "use the i386 images" is hard enough that putting that there is not a great idea.  The second part should definitely be removed.19:56
valoriein Kubuntu we got rid of that wording quite awhile ago19:58
valoriemost people who need i386 know to look for it, because they are using rather old machines19:59
wxlyeah and for many lubuntu users that wording is still relevant19:59
valorieyes19:59
valoriebut our users in for instance Taiwan are largely i386 users20:00
sil2100valorie: there will be no testing of the i386 images as those are no longer 'supported'20:02
sil2100For Ubuntu20:02
sil2100Flavors can, of course, support it if they wish :)20:03
sil2100bdmurray: yeah, I guess we need to get that changed indeed20:03
valoriesil2100: thanks for clarifying20:05
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: adobe-flashplugin (artful-proposed/partner) [1:20171010.1-0ubuntu1 => 1:20171016.1-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)20:10
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: adobe-flashplugin (xenial-proposed/partner) [1:20171010.1-0ubuntu0.16.04.1 => 1:20171016.1-0ubuntu0.16.04.1] (no packageset)20:10
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: adobe-flashplugin (trusty-proposed/partner) [1:20171010.1-0ubuntu0.14.04.1 => 1:20171016.1-0ubuntu0.14.04.1] (no packageset)20:10
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: adobe-flashplugin (zesty-proposed/partner) [1:20171010.1-0ubuntu0.17.04.1 => 1:20171016.1-0ubuntu0.17.04.1] (no packageset)20:10
wxlwaaaait a minute20:10
wxlwill i386 images be provided at all?20:11
sil2100For main Ubuntu? No20:11
chrisccoulsonhi, could somebody please approve those flash/partner uploads please? (and copy them from proposed to release once they're built)20:11
wxllet me rephrase :)20:11
wxlwill the canonical machinery be building i386 images for the flavors that want them or are they left to their own devices to deal with this?20:12
sil2100Machinery will be building i386 images for flavors that want those images, so yes20:12
sil2100There is no change for flavors20:12
valoriegood20:12
wxlok, phew20:12
sil2100We only stopped building the i386 images for Ubuntu Desktop :)20:13
valoriethat was my understanding; good to hear it confirmed20:13
wxlso theoretically we (flavors) could test the i386 images during the milestones20:13
valoriestill available for server images, netboot etc.?20:13
wxland theoretically the flavor milestones for i386 would still be published20:13
wxlohhh good question re: netboot20:13
valoriebecause occasionally I have to direct someone to that route20:14
wxlditto20:14
sil2100Server - yes, netboot - here I would guess yes as well, but I don't know much about those parts yet20:15
valoriecool20:15
wxlubuntu desktop only does beta milestones right? or just the final one?20:15
sil2100wxl: final beta and the final release20:16
wxland of course even during alpha milestones amd64 images will be floating about, but the process will be largely community supported as it has been, so we can just add our i386 images to that. so yeah, i don't think there will be much of a change20:16
wxlworks for me thx :)20:17
wxlif you do find anything about netboot (i don't know who's in charge) in that they have no plans to support i386, i'm sure flavor teams would be willing to take that on together20:17
* valorie nominates tsimonq220:18
sil2100I mean, I didn't hear anything about anyone not wanting netboot i386 which is why I just assume we'll leave those as is20:21
infinityWe build netboot for all arches we build binaries for.20:21
infinityFor a variety of reasons.20:21
jbichasome of you flavors should consider dropping i386 support too :)20:23
infinityI don't disagree.20:23
infinityDropping i386 images today is a nice way to signal a soft transition to a future where we stop building i386 debs.20:23
wxli see that as reasonable, except for lubuntu. we'll be the last to go, when all support it completely dropped.20:23
wxlsuffice it to say, it would probably be wise to start discussing it20:24
flocculantstart?20:24
infinityContinue?20:24
wxlwith the community20:24
flocculantI thought it was ongoing for cycles :)20:24
wxlthe team has been discussing it for a while20:24
flocculantanyway - we're thinking about it - but likely post-18.0420:24
valoriepossibly we'll have to do that as well for kubuntu20:30
valoriehowever I really would not like to lose some of our enterprise users such as Munich and Taiwan20:31
infinityvalorie: You have "enterprise" users who use hardware more than 15 years old?20:31
valorieinfinity: in Taiwan, lots of old computers even in government offices20:32
infinityThat's.... Bizarre.20:32
infinityBut also, anecdotes like that are why I'm now collecting hard data on the matter.20:32
valoriethere has been a major push to get those users off xp and even older windows versions onto free software20:32
valoriethe same might be true in India where we just picked up another -- also government offices20:33
valoriein Assam20:33
valorieeach of them has a specialized respin with a smaller offering of applications20:34
valoriepretty much libreoffice plus a few others20:34
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-software (artful-proposed/main) [3.26.1-0ubuntu1 => 3.26.1-0ubuntu2] (ubuntu-desktop)20:34
infinityI mean, eventually, 32-bit builds will just become unmaintainable, because programmers are terrible, their software is even worse, and we can't afford to fix everything that everyone else breaks due to not having the hardware.20:35
valorieinfinity: true20:35
valoriebut poor people have few options20:35
valorieI assume as more new machines become available second-hand, that will slowly change20:35
wxli think it should be less of an issue for kubuntu, since you're not necessarily designing for low spec machines. honestly, kubuntu is best experienced with all the bells and whistles cranked to 11 XD20:36
valorieit's amazing how people make do20:36
wxlyeah i mean jeez if you look at all the xp and older machines out there.. it's kind of frightening20:36
wxlmakes KRACK look like no big deal XD20:36
valoriewxl: it's become lighter and more efficient over time20:36
daxkde scales down to crap hardware pretty well these days.20:36
valoriemy travel laptop works pretty well20:37
wxli wasn't trying to say it was heavy20:37
daxnot least because "old computer" in 2017 is a lot faster than "old computer" a decade ago20:37
valorieeven with touchscreen, etc.20:37
wxljust that it's not meant to be light20:37
wxlexclusively, i mean20:37
valorieright20:37
wxli mean we run kubuntu on crap machines at work and they do wonderful, but at times i've been prone to turn off compositing, etc. for people20:38
valorienow that plasma will run on phones.... it's lost some fat20:38
valorieof course my phone is much more powerful than my first computer20:38
wxl:)20:38
wxlmine too20:38
wxli had *128 kB* of RAM20:39
* valorie had 80k baby20:40
wxlniiice20:41
valorieColeco ADAM20:41
wxlmine was a C12820:41
valorie300 baud and I was online20:41
valorieoops, we are off-topic20:41
valoriesorry20:41
wxl /join #ubuntu-release-offtopic XD20:41
wxl(not really)20:41
valorielol20:41
naccheh20:41
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted autopkgtest [sync] (artful-proposed) [5.0.2]21:10
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted edubuntu-docs [source] (artful-proposed) [11.03.3]21:10
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted sugar-calculate-activity [sync] (artful-proposed) [44-3]21:10
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted adobe-flashplugin [source] (artful-proposed) [1:20171016.1-0ubuntu1]21:11
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-software [source] (artful-proposed) [3.26.1-0ubuntu2]21:16
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted qemu [source] (artful-proposed) [1:2.10+dfsg-0ubuntu3]21:16
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted graphicsmagick [sync] (artful-proposed) [1.3.26-15]21:16
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted wpa [source] (artful-proposed) [2.4-0ubuntu10]21:16
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: lmbench (zesty-proposed/multiverse) [3.0-a9-1.3 => 3.0-a9-1.3ubuntu0.1] (no packageset)21:49
tsimonq2So I see src:wpa was approved.21:49
tsimonq2What's the plan of action?21:49
nacctsimonq2: this might be worth an e-mail to ensure everyone sees it?21:49
tsimonq2nacc: Sure, I can send it in a bit.21:52
infinitynacc: The plan of action is to only let it migrate if we have a better reason for a re-spin, otherwise it'll be shunted to security/updates.21:52
infinityErr.21:52
infinitytsimonq2: ^21:52
infinitynacc: What's worth an email?21:52
naccinfinity: that discussion you just had :)21:53
tsimonq2infinity: I honestly think it's a good reason for a respin.21:53
infinitynacc: Yeah, I disagree. :)21:53
naccinfinity: fair enough :)21:53
infinityNot sending out emails for everything I accept.21:53
infinitytsimonq2: No it's not.21:53
naccinfinity: oh no, sorry, not for that21:53
naccinfinity: to discuss the respinn with the flavors21:53
naccor something21:53
naccsince not all are online right now, i'd assume21:53
infinitytsimonq2: Installer images, by their very frozen-in-time nature, are full of security issues.21:53
naccheh21:53
infinity(ie: I'm not going to panic to respin the last xenial point release for this either)21:55
tsimonq2infinity: How many people do you think might put Ubuntu something-or-other-maybe-flavor on a USB drive once it's released and expect to be able to connect to WiFi with secure HTTPS? :P21:55
tsimonq2I mean, just saying.21:55
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: lmbench (xenial-proposed/multiverse) [3.0-a9-1.1 => 3.0-a9-1.1ubuntu0.1] (no packageset)21:56
infinityhttps isn't broken by this.21:56
tsimonq2But as far as I can tell, https can be bypassed by this.21:56
jbichainfinity: hmm, is 16.04.4 happening soon?21:56
infinityjbicha: In 3 months.21:57
jbichaok, I'll probably forget by then :)21:57
infinitytsimonq2: How?21:57
tsimonq2infinity: mdeslaur (or any other security team people) could probably answer that question better than I.21:58
daxit "breaks https" only insofar as you can MITM connections and sslstrip. which is a property of all hostile networks and not worth noting in 201721:58
infinitytsimonq2: This is a protocol "wire" attack.  Yes, you could come up with a scenario where I attack an *unecrypted* stream of yours to inject malware, which you then run locally, which then keylogs and scrapes your SSL work locally, pre-encryption.  But that's a far cry (and more far-fetched) from "bypassing https".21:59
infinityAnyhow, we will probably find some other reason for a respin and render the point moot, but anyone who thinks "I burned an ISO from 2 months ago, and haven't done security updates, it must be perfectly secure" is just plain wrong, and I can't fix that with one last-minute update.22:00
infinitySo, no, security updates are not a valid reason to trigger a respin.22:01
infinityEven when they have scary media-friendly names. :)22:01
tsimonq2infinity: But should people be able to expect that if they install it on release day that it should be secure?22:01
infinityNope.22:02
infinityThat's why we have 0-day updates.22:02
infinityPeople should expect that if they're up-to-date, we're done our best.22:02
naccand why there are security updates in general it feels like22:02
tsimonq2Alright.22:02
tsimonq2infinity: Then I rest my case.22:02
infinityDon't fret, someone's bound to find a bunch of installer bugs (or maybe fix that nouveau/displayport thing in time) or some such.22:03
infinityBut if not, it'll be sitting in -security, and either ticking the "download updates during install" box, or just updating post-reboot will be fine.22:04
tsimonq2(Watch this be the one (unfortuately rare) release that it doesn't happen. :P)22:04
infinityAnd people who install an OS on an untrusted network (and I'd consider any WiFi in sniffing range of your neighbours to count) probably get what they ask for.22:04
jbichawhy does "download updates during install" only install security updates?22:05
infinityWas just telling sil2100 about my experience installing WinXP, connected to dial-up in Australia back in 2003.  Was compromised and rootkitted before I ever got a chance to run Windows Updates.22:05
tsimonq2Wow.22:05
infinityAnd never since have I installed an OS without a trusted network between me and the internet (ie: a wire and a firewall).22:06
tsimonq2jbicha: Does it?22:06
* infinity -> breakfast.22:07
rbasakI don't trust my WPA wifi network.22:11
rbasakIt has stuff like my TV on it.22:11
rbasakWhich has never had a security update to my knowledge, so might as well be treated as owned by some malicious attacker somewhere.22:11
Bashing-omrbasak: " The following packages will be upgraded: dkms wpasupplicant . " :)22:15
* sil2100 EOD22:46
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: flashplugin-nonfree (artful-proposed/multiverse) [27.0.0.159ubuntu1 => 27.0.0.170ubuntu1] (no packageset)22:46
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted flashplugin-nonfree [source] (artful-proposed) [27.0.0.170ubuntu1]22:47
-queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server Subiquity amd64 [Artful Final] (20171016) has been added23:02
bashfulrobotHey infinity - I hear you are the one to talk to. looks like when pullign eth Ubuntu Budgie ISO via Rsync, all people are gettign an error.23:34
bashfulrobotRunning : rsync -zhhP rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-budgie/daily-live/current/artful-desktop-amd64.iso23:34
bashfulrobotNow unless I fudged that command...23:34
bashfulrobotresults in: @ERROR: Unknown module 'ubuntu-budgie'23:35
bashfulrobotrsync error: error starting client-server protocol (code 5) at main.c(1666) [Receiver=3.1.2]23:35
bashfulrobotI had a few people try this on different machines. Same issue23:35
bashfulrobotI'm just about to jump in my car - will check in once I get home.23:37

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