[06:52] <anqxyr> ok, so I tried googling this for a bit, couldn't find anything, so maybe someone here can help me
[06:53] <anqxyr> when the headphones are plugged in, I get sound both from speakers and from the headphones
[06:53] <anqxyr> I can go to alsamixer, and manually turn down the "front" sound to zero, and that works
[06:54] <anqxyr> but it doesn't work automatically, despite the "auto-mute mod" option being enabled
[06:54] <anqxyr> and the multimedia keys on the keyboard are tied to speakers no matter what
[06:55] <anqxyr> kubuntu 17.04, new pc, new install, it's been like that from the start
[07:12] <hateball> anqxyr: has this worked with a different OS at some point?
[07:12] <hateball> there's a hardware switch that is supposed to trigger this, so I am thinking if that is simply... not working
[07:13] <anqxyr> it's never worked on this pc. It's a used pc too, I just recently bought it
[07:14] <anqxyr> *never worked for me
[07:15] <hateball> anqxyr: Do you have a different pair of headphones to test with?
[07:15] <anqxyr> yup, let me try
[07:16] <anqxyr> yeah, no change
[07:17] <anqxyr> if it's a hardware issue, just having a script that would adjust the volumes and binding it to a hotkey would work for me
[07:17] <anqxyr> but alsamixer doesn't have any args to directly adjust the volume, that I could tell
[07:17] <hateball> It could also be a matter of needing to supply module options for snd-hda-intel
[07:17] <anqxyr> where should I look for for something like that?
[07:17] <hateball> which is what I assume you have
[07:17] <hateball> What is the model of the laptop (?) ?
[07:18] <hateball> And if you could !paste the output of "lspci"
[07:18] <anqxyr> it's a desktop pc, assembled from used parts from all over the place
[07:18] <hateball> right
[07:18] <hateball> still, it has some chipset :)
[07:19] <anqxyr> https://pastebin.com/SgjWPZTJ
[07:20] <hateball> anqxyr: could you run it with "lspci -nv" instead?
[07:20] <anqxyr> sure thing
[07:21] <anqxyr> https://pastebin.com/rRmZngAw
[07:21] <anqxyr> uh, should probably rerun this as root? looking at all these access denied
[07:22] <anqxyr> https://pastebin.com/9vyxdnab
[07:24] <hateball> anqxyr: interesting, googling "8086:1c20 snd_hda_intel" gives as first hit http://mailman.alsa-project.org/pipermail/alsa-devel/2014-November/083932.html
[07:24] <hateball> lets see what we can make of this
[07:31] <hateball> anqxyr: long shot but... uh you could try "echo "options snd-hda-intel model=auto" |sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/snd-hda-intel.conf"
[07:32] <hateball> anqxyr: and then reboot, see if that automatigically solves it. otherwise remove the file /etc/modprobe.d/snd-hda-intel.conf so it doesnt mess with anything else
[07:33] <anqxyr> k, let me reboot
[07:34] <anqxyr> nah, no luck
[07:35] <hateball> could be a different model option that works tho, but it's harder since this is a frankenbuild
[07:35] <anqxyr> is there any pure-cli volume control utility? I'd be ok with just hotkeying a script to fix the volumes
[07:36] <anqxyr> ok, google tells me that the answer is amixer
[07:37] <hateball> anqxyr: that's for pure alsa, but you have by default pulseaudio
[07:37] <anqxyr> I'll probably go looking in that direction, it seems like it's the one most likely to bear fruit
[07:37] <hateball> which alsa goes through
[07:37] <hateball> so you can use pactl for that
[07:38] <anqxyr> thanks, I'll try that too. Idk if that'll work, alsamixer is the only thing that managed to adjust volumes independently so far
[07:38] <anqxyr> kubuntu's gui volume control thing uses pulseaudio, I think, and it's completely blind to headphones
[07:40] <anqxyr> either way, huge thanks for all your help
[07:52] <oerheks> there is a snap, pulsemixer ...
[07:52] <oerheks> but if one hits F2 and changes back to F1 output, you get the help page
[07:52] <oerheks> https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/call-for-testing-pulsemixer/2214
[08:12] <Unit193> Debian #876254
[08:13] <lerans> Hello I can't see the thumnailers in dolphin. In preferences it's activated and I Don't know What I can make,
[09:51] <ForceRecon> is there an update command you can do from terminal in kubuntu to get all updates or do you need to click on the updates icon?  I see an update but I cannot do it from the Updates Discover
[09:52] <acheronuk> ForceRecon: sudo apt full-upgrade
[09:53] <ForceRecon> should you do a sudo apt-get update first or sudo apt-get update && full-upgrade?
[09:53] <acheronuk> or to refresh the repos 1st 'sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade'
[09:54] <ForceRecon> okeedo
[09:56] <ForceRecon> when will 17.10 be available for download with non free and firmware so that I can once again see if it will work on 3 monitors?
[09:56] <ForceRecon> and when it is, where can I download it from since those seem to be off the beaten path
[10:06] <hateball> !artful
[10:06] <hateball> ForceRecon: What nonfree driver do you require? nvidia?
[10:09] <ForceRecon> good question.. not sure with my setup what exactly I am missing but generally if I try and install things that are just downloads from the main websites for distro, they tend not to work. I usually don't get any video or the machine just does not boot to anything past the grub option chosen.. so I would gather it is nvidia
[10:09] <ForceRecon> might be bluetooth too..
[10:09] <ForceRecon> chances are there are a couple more items in there that I have no clue about
[10:11] <hateball> ForceRecon: do you currently have Kubuntu installed?
[10:11] <ForceRecon> currently I run kubuntu in a vmware session and it is perfect..  just wish it would work that way outside of the vmware guest os session
[10:11] <hateball> Right
[10:11] <hateball> If you have nvidia hardware, the binary blob will never be distributed on the installation media, and you'll need to use the 'nomodeset' kernel parameter to get a display going
[10:12] <ForceRecon> on a side note anyone here running steam on kubuntu.. I do play one game linux port and would like to make sure after getting kubuntu to work that that works as well.
[10:12] <hateball> Then you can install, and have the installer grab restricted drivers as needed during runtime
[10:12] <hateball> ForceRecon: I have over 300 games for linux in my Steam library
[10:13] <ForceRecon> hateball: is there some place i can read on that.. problem is that once I start the installation and something goes wrong I have no way to ask for help since machine is not running
[10:13] <hateball> !nomodeset | ForceRecon
[10:13] <ForceRecon> awesome thanks!
[10:14] <hateball> basically you boot to live-grub, press... uh... F6? to edit the bootline, append nomodeset to it
[10:19] <ForceRecon> just read that all.. seems easy enough..
[10:19] <ForceRecon> thanks
[10:20] <ForceRecon> I guess I need to wait till the 27th though to get my hands on a dvd
[10:20] <ForceRecon> damn now I want to try!  lol
[10:21] <hateball> Well that's up to you, you can download a nightly ISO right now
[10:21] <hateball> Tho it's not officially supported until it is officially released
[10:22] <ForceRecon> Ill gladly take a link if you can get one.. I was looking online for nightly iso kubuntu but did not find anything
[10:23] <hateball> ForceRecon: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[10:23] <hateball> Again, this is not supported here tho, #ubuntu+1 for that until official release
[10:25] <ForceRecon> you got it.. thanks!
[10:49] <ForceRecon> is there a decent backup software for linux that backs up to a zip file or a location where you can see the full directory structure real time?
[10:49] <ForceRecon> maybe some type of complete sync to a folder on a server on your local lan?
[10:50] <hateball> ForceRecon: for user data or your entire system?
[10:50] <ForceRecon> I would prefer to just backup the entire system if possible so I don't miss anything
[10:51] <ForceRecon> I never really cared for images because then to open them you have to install the software and yada yada..
[10:51] <ForceRecon> I just want a complete sync of the entire system to a folder
[10:51] <ForceRecon> that would be great
[10:52] <ForceRecon> this simple backup looks okay
[10:52] <hateball> And you want this to be an online-backup?
[10:53] <ForceRecon> well.. local lan server with 6TB of space.. this way when I install kubuntu I will just map to that share and be able to see all my data.. pick what I want to bring back
[10:53] <hateball> We use UrBackup here at work, for backup of physical machines
[10:54] <ForceRecon> can you see the folder structure? or do you need to do something special to uncompress it and then see it once its backed up
[10:55] <hateball> ForceRecon: You can restore individual files etc. However it is not in *Ubuntu repos and as such not supported here
[10:56] <hateball> !info bacula
[10:57] <ForceRecon> ill do some research and then if I find something check to see if there is a irc channel just in case I need support.. thanks!  Appreciate the information
[10:57] <Dragnslcr> !info rdiff-backup
[10:57] <Dragnslcr> I used to use that before I started using ZFS
[10:59] <ForceRecon> fwbackups looks promising
[11:12] <ForceRecon> test'
[12:09] <Mrokii> Hi. I'm not sure if this is a problem directly related to Kubuntu... I installed the "ScreenSaver" app from within "Discover". However, when I try to configure it, in the main section of the window (where the graphical effects should be sampled, there's only a message saying "Not Installed". That seems to happen with every selectable screensaver-effect. Any ideas what the problem could be?
[12:10] <lordievader> Good afternoon
[12:10] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:19] <Mrokii> Okay, I got it working now. However there's another problem. The GLSlideshow-screensaver doesn't change images. It looks as if it does some effect to switch images, but it's always the same image that is displayed.
[12:20] <lordievader> IIRC you needed to set a source dir somewhere else for that.
[12:20] <lordievader> If it is part of xscreensaver there was some xscreensaver-setup utility. (Can't remember the exact naming)
[12:22] <Mrokii> lordievader: I did that. The Slideshow choses one of the images from the folder randomly, but never changes to another image, always displaying the one chosen initially.
[12:23] <lordievader> Oh, err. There are no interval settings?
[12:23] <Mrokii> lordievader: There is indeed a setup-window where on can chose the path and set some parameters. This part works, as it takes an image from the folder I chose.
[12:23] <Mrokii> lordievader: There are, and the interval itself seems to work. There is some effect that suggest that another image will be displayed, but the image never really changes.
[12:24] <ForceRecon> when I install kubuntu on a drive that is encrypted will the installer just wipe out the drive and reencrypt it or do you need to do something special before hand
[12:25] <lordievader> Hmm, then I don't really know. What you could do is try to launch the screensaver manually in a Konsole, that might throw some error.
[12:25] <lordievader> Mrokii: ^
[12:25] <Mrokii> lordievader: It seems to do some fading-effect every few seconds but the image never changes.
[12:25] <Mrokii> lordievader: Yeah, I guess I'll try that.
[12:25] <lordievader> ForceRecon: It will do whatever you tell it to do.
[12:26] <ForceRecon> just was not sure if the drive would tell you.. hey no space for you here I am already encrypted and now you are stuck with me.. :)  lol.. pre dive measures
[12:28] <lordievader> Most OS'es nowaday tell you if something is in use or not.
[12:29] <ForceRecon> do you guys actually partition your drives any special way?  I just usually do the entire disk and let the OS decide on a swap, home, os partition.. Is there ultimately a better way of doing it?
[12:30] <lordievader> For me it depends on the machine, but I usually make a full lvm pv or pv+luks partition of the drive.
[12:30] <lordievader> Then i make partitions as I see fit.
[12:48] <ForceRecon> 46k of 84k files completed.. moving along nicely
[12:48] <ForceRecon> wireless ac works well in debian.. hows it doing in kubuntu?  good throughput
[12:48] <BluesKaj> Mrokii, seems you may need to add each image to the slideshow in desktop settings, not the folder
[12:49] <Mrokii> BluesKaj: I'll try that, thanks.
[12:49] <ForceRecon> Morning BluesKaj, thanks for turning me onto Kubuntu, really enjoying it..
[12:51] <Mrokii> BluesKaj: I don't think that's possibly. The settings-window only lets me chose folders, not individual files.
[12:51] <hateball> ForceRecon: I use an Intel 7260 AC card in my desktop, it's flawless
[12:52] <ForceRecon> 06:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Limited BCM4352 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter (rev 03)
[12:52] <hateball> ForceRecon: apart from a tiny bug in the intel firmware that causes dropped packets when network-manager checks for better APs for roaming
[12:52] <BluesKaj> Mrokii, yes I see now , never tried the slideshow before, so I'm checking it out to see if it works here
[12:52] <hateball> so... that may or may not be a problem for you
[12:52] <BluesKaj> Mrokii, and it it's working
[12:53] <Mrokii> BluesKaj: That's really weird. It doesn't work here and it wasn't working on a friends' Kubuntu either. The same effect on both systems.
[12:55] <BluesKaj> Mrokii, well i'm testing Kubuntu Artful 17.10, if you upgrade yor release after it's available officially that will probly fix it, ...kind of drastic but I can't recreate the bug
[12:56] <Mrokii> BluesKaj: That's a bit drastic indeed. But I'm probably upgrading anyway, when it's available.
[12:56] <Mrokii> I'm still on 17.04
[12:57] <BluesKaj> it should be available this thursday
[12:59] <BluesKaj> Hi ForceRecon glad to hear you like Kubuntu ...been using it for 12 yrs...tried lots of other OSs, but this is my "home"  :-)
[13:01] <ForceRecon> yeah I have been working on debian for what about 7 months now.. I think..  testing quite a few on vmware and really settled on kubuntu as well..
[13:03] <ForceRecon> I just hope after thursday that I can get all 3 screens working
[13:03] <BluesKaj> debian is nice and I like it a lot, but their support chat has soem idiotic rules and rulers
[13:03] <ForceRecon> you can say that again
[13:05] <BluesKaj> can't help with the multiple monitors, I just use our Panasonic plasma tv as a monitor
[13:07]  * lordievader uses three screens
[13:09] <BluesKaj> never saw the point of multiple monitors for my situation  but I suppose they have their uses
[13:11] <BluesKaj> but we do have 3 samsung 22" monitors here, but I've never thought of setting them up together ...don't see how my cheap nvidia card could accommodate them anyway
[13:12] <lordievader> I have Matrix/IRC on the left. A terminal on the right. And variable stuff in the middle.
[13:12] <lordievader> I run this off of an I7 :)
[13:12] <BluesKaj> i just use virtual desktops
[13:13] <BluesKaj> and yakuake as the terminal in all
[13:15] <lordievader> I like to have a terminal always available.
[13:15] <lordievader> And shown if can be..
[13:16] <ForceRecon> I use the 3 monitors all the time for my workplace.. lots of open windows and research going on...  If I only had one I would be moving windows all day
[13:16] <ForceRecon> 06:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Limited BCM4352 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter (rev 03)
[13:17] <ForceRecon> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GM204 [GeForce GTX 980] (rev a1)
[13:17] <ForceRecon> must be some huge files on this machine
[13:17] <ForceRecon> 82,771 of 84,376 done, 55.1GB of 184GB
[13:18] <ForceRecon> any program available to show you what is taking up the space on your drive by file size?
[13:18] <BluesKaj> yakuake is a drop down terminal,  just hit F12 , after installing
[13:19] <lordievader> ForceRecon: `df`
[13:19] <lordievader> ForceRecon: And `du`, read the man-page for both ;)
[13:20] <lordievader> Add some lovely awk/sort magic and you have quick utility for pointing to large dirs.
[13:21] <ForceRecon> all my vmware folders and dvds
[13:21] <ForceRecon> thanks for the information
[13:24] <lordievader> ForceRecon: I have written this script for that stuff: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/lordievader/scripts/master/filesize.sh
[13:26] <hateball> ForceRecon: if you want a GUI thing, there's k4dirstat
[13:26] <hateball> !info k4dirstat
[13:26] <ForceRecon> I will write that one down.. I like visuals..
[13:31] <ForceRecon> https://i.imgur.com/LeHMLb3.jpg
[13:32] <ForceRecon> https://i.imgur.com/epAHKru.png
[13:32] <ForceRecon> I like that wallpaper better than default
[13:36] <hitesh> h
[13:48] <ForceRecon> gonna close out polari for now while this backup/copy works.. about another 2 hours it states.. don't think so, but thanks again for all the help and I will see you on the other side..
[13:49] <ForceRecon> oh on a side note if I install the nightly build.. I can just upgrade to full release after 27th correct?
[13:49] <ForceRecon> or should I wait for the release dvd and then install?
[13:50] <hateball> ForceRecon: I think it is out the 19th? at any rate you just upgrade as usual
[13:50] <ForceRecon> outstanding.. thanks!
[14:58] <D0U91E> morning folks
[14:58] <clivejo> good morning D0U91E
[14:58] <clivejo> fresh and well you are lookin
 Hi, I am Giovanni. I have installed kubuntu 17.04. I can't get connection with my normal router Wi-Fi. I click on it and nothing happens. But if I use the router of my smartphone, it works. How Can I fix this problem?
 It is also strange that I see that there are 4 channels of my router
[19:07] <viewer|50183> Hi people! I have a quick question about Kubuntu 17.10.
 Good evening, … I have the following problem, after which I had made an upgrade to kubuntu 17.10, I have a black screen. The only thing I see is the mouse pointer, and the dark background with the KDE logo. … Is it still the fact that the new plasma 5.11 is still being worked on or rather because the backport ppa is not quite yet?
[19:29] <BluesKaj> did you remove the ppa that you used to install 5..11 ?
[19:30] <BluesKaj> best to remove the ppa immediately afterwards
 I have no access to the Gui and a Rootshell can not be opened completely, if I press Alt + F2 to get into the rootshell, I get quite black screen, so I ask what I could do in the event. … Currently I have Kubuntu 17.10 drauf but with a plasma version 5.10.5 instead of 5.11
[19:59] <BluesKaj> !nomodeset | Silenoz
[20:01] <kubi> Hello!
[20:02] <clivejo> hi kubi
 hi kubi
[20:03] <BluesKaj> then once you get a desktop go to https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-plasma and add the ppa to your sources, then once 5.11 is installed immediately remove it from you /etc/apt/sources.list.d file and your package manager or before the next update/upgrade
[20:03] <kubi> I am in a live Kubuntu 16.04.3 LTS, and I do not see anything on the desktop or anywhere to install kubuntu on my pc
[20:03] <BluesKaj> Silenoz^
 Ok, once thank you for the help and the link, I'll look to see if I can fix the problem now. If not, I'll sign up again :)
[20:05] <kubi> is there a way to install kubuntu from its live session?
[20:06] <clivejo> there should be, is there installer now in the menu?
[20:06] <clivejo> not
[20:07] <kubi> i cannot see anything with the install word in it in the menu
[20:07] <clivejo> do you want 16.04 specifically?
 74/5000 … To the staging-plasma ppa, is this new? … Because I just did not know that.
[20:07] <clivejo> 17.10 is going to be released very soon
[20:08] <kubi> I want the LTS which from my understanding is Kubuntu 16.04.3 LTS with updates until apr2019
[20:09] <clivejo> is there an icon on the desktop?
[20:10] <kubi> I would have liked to be supported with updates this LTS(16.04) until 2021, like Ubuntu, but apparently the Kubuntu is supported only for 3 year
[20:10] <kubi> no man, my desktop in the live session is completely empty
[20:11] <kubi> not a single icon on the desktop
[20:12] <acheronuk> kubi: what language are you using on the live session?
[20:14] <kubi> it did not ask me to select any language.........I se that english is the default, which is good
[20:16] <kubi> i may have made a mistake....please excuse me
[20:16] <kubi> i may have entered a previous installed version
[20:17] <acheronuk> kubi: yes, that sounds likely
[20:17] <kubi> ok, will reboot and try to reach the live version(where i expect to see a shortcut with install on the desktop
[20:18] <acheronuk> otherwise you would see: https://i.imgur.com/DdGOiJ9.png
[20:19] <kubi>  my appologies!
[20:19] <acheronuk> lol. we've all done that most likely!
[20:19] <acheronuk> at one point or another
[20:21] <ForceRecon> freaking copy from home to server took a dump
[20:21] <ForceRecon> starting over.. crazy it does not say, hey things exist.. overwrite or not
[20:21] <ForceRecon> just doing its thing
[20:21] <ForceRecon> Fcked Up
[20:22] <ForceRecon> I really hate when you copy something that you have no freaking idea what is happening
[20:22] <ForceRecon> maybe something they should add.. this is not KUBUNTU.. just copying in general
[20:23] <clivejo> ???
[20:24] <valorie> ForceRecon: use rysnc then
[20:24] <ForceRecon> I want to wipe my machine.. decided to copy all data from home.. to 6TB local lan server.. took a dump.. restarted.. mentions nothing about duplicates.. just redoing it..
[20:25] <valorie> rsync copies one file at a time, and ensures it is bit-correct before moving to the next
[20:25] <ForceRecon> I think I need to learn c or python and create a simple gdamn backup program that goes in the repository and when it askes you where to put the files it KNOWS to include shares..
[20:25] <ForceRecon> freaking backup programs are garbage..
[20:26] <valorie> rsync
[20:26] <valorie> honestly, not much beats it
[20:26] <valorie> and it's about as fast as anything else
[20:26] <ForceRecon> yeah,, well most of us would appreciate a backup to a share utilizing the rsync feature in a gui and uncompressed..
[20:27] <ForceRecon> just copy the files.. geez..  you would think this would be so simple and so required..
[20:27] <ForceRecon> gonnna make it myself.. tired of try crap all the time that has not been updated for 17 years
[20:29] <ForceRecon> let me rephrase.. not mad at Kubuntu.. just everyone else
[21:11] <carolinablue453> jkl;
[22:06] <Nexus14> .
 To the staging-plasma ppa still a question, is now a stable version for the plasma or an additional beta like the kubuntu / beta ppa? … I question this now out of the background, since I am now not willing to put my laptop with kubuntu to the 5th time
[22:09] <valorie> "staging" -- only for testing
[22:09] <valorie> please go to the PPA and read the warning
 Ok, because I currently me the notes on the website: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-plasma, durchlese and I also know of the kubuntu / beta ppa. So I wanted to ask specifically again. Not that I again problems with the GUI get like today at noon. … Thank you for the information :)
[22:21] <ForceRecon> greetings from Kubuntu world 17.10 nightly build :)
[22:21] <ForceRecon> the installation was perfect..
[22:21] <ForceRecon> 3 monitors working
[22:22] <ForceRecon> configured Kmail for email and every time I open it.. freeze machine.. so that's horrible.. but will figure it out
[22:22] <ForceRecon> no wireless either..
[22:22] <ForceRecon> 06:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Limited BCM4352 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter (rev 03)
[22:23] <ForceRecon> also getting message all the time saying
[22:24] <ForceRecon> proprietary drivers should I risk changing it to Using Nvidia binary driver version 384.90. I think I will
[22:24] <ForceRecon> here we go!
[22:25] <valorie> huh
[22:25] <valorie> you might try running ubuntu-drivers
[22:25] <valorie> and see what it recommends
[22:26] <valorie> for both the broadcom and nvidia
[22:27] <ForceRecon> looks like wireless just showed up
[22:27] <ForceRecon> changed over to nvidia too. no hickups.. takes some times pops up on its own
[22:27] <ForceRecon> gonna disconnect from wire.. see if I keep connection to forum
[22:28] <ForceRecon> test
[22:28] <ForceRecon> guess I am still here
[22:28] <ForceRecon> gonna open mail now.. hope I come back.. actually reboot first then try
[22:46] <oh4> When going to "Driver Manager", my video card driver is set to "Using X.Org X server -- Nouveau display driver from xserver-xorg-video-nouveau". I have the option to switch to the recommended "Using NVIDIA binary driver - version 375.66 from nvidia-755 (Recommended Driver)"
[22:46] <oh4> Should I switch to the nvidia? Any reason the install didn't choose that one but instead chose Nouveau?
[22:48] <clivejo> oh4: default install tends to only install free drivers
[22:49] <oh4> oh
[22:49] <oh4> I thought it would install nvidia if it saw the card for it
[22:49] <oh4> hmm
[22:49] <clivejo> I think there are issues with shipping non-free drivers on the iso/install media
[22:50] <oh4> issues as in legal issues or just compatibility?
[22:50] <oh4> I'm wondering if I should switch to the nvidia but concerned video will break
[22:50] <clivejo> legal
[22:51] <oh4> that's why I ask
[22:51] <oh4> ah, ok...makes me feel a little better :)
[22:52] <clivejo> usually the nvidia drivers work better (I use the proprietary drivers on my system)
[22:52] <oh4> koo...I'll give it a shot...thanks!
[22:52] <clivejo> only problem is that NVidia can be slow about fixing stuff
[22:52] <oh4> yea, that is true
[22:52] <clivejo> and don't support Wayland :(
[22:52] <oh4> at least on the Linux
[22:53] <oh4> oh, that I didn't know
[22:53] <oh4> I wonder when wayland will make it's way here
[22:54] <clivejo> plasma is already on Wayland or supported on it
[22:54] <oh4> they'd have to do something at that point once kde is ported to it, no?
[22:54] <clivejo> haven't been able to test it myself due to having NVidia driver installed
[22:54] <oh4> dang, maybe I should look into this a little more...I'm running 17.04
[22:55] <clivejo> https://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/
[22:55] <clivejo> he is the guy works on kwin
[22:56] <valorie> "kde" will not be ported to nvidia
[22:56] <valorie> nvidia needs to port to wayland
[22:57] <valorie> kde is the community, but the plasma/kwin team will not be doing anything special for nvidia
[22:57] <oh4> good info...thanks for sharing
[22:57] <valorie> nvidia needs to conform to the standards for wayland, and so far they are doing their own special "magic"
[22:58] <valorie> makes me angry, since I have nvidia as well
[22:58] <valorie> and wayland is the future
[22:58] <valorie> I wish they would get with the program
[22:59] <oh4> one can hope
[22:59] <oh4> let's see what happens
[23:00] <valorie> everyone is waiting on them