[00:02] @Tiago, Ok. got it. installation in progress with CPT. [00:10] @savetier, on my blog i talked abt it in few places. I even have post about setting up shh with x forwarding all the way into the container. so hou ssh into your ut phone then chroot into a container and run app inside remptely onto your desktop. … kriscode.blogspot.com [00:11] @KrisJacewicz, Thanks :) [00:11] @KrisJacewicz, chroot! [00:12] we covered 'chroot' in our audiocast [00:12] np, i will try to make a post dedicated to x forwarding scenario where o compile all the info in one place [00:12] @wayneoutthere, nice [00:12] I think you'll like my explanation of it [00:12] it's in the techlish section [00:12] i wrote post on my blog about containers in ut phone i used debootstarp as an example [00:13] @wayneoutthere, will checknout! [00:13] enjoyez vous l'audiiocast [00:14] @wayneoutthere, alors nous allons l'enjoyer :D [00:16] voici un plan pour tout le monde! this is on topic... or not. [00:16] Judge Ivan? [00:16] (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/5KD2fXBH/file_1244.mp4 [00:18] (Photo, 258x29) https://irc.ubports.com/RARwwouV/file_1246.jpg [00:25] Project daily-hammerhead build #353: SUCCESS in 11 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-hammerhead/353/ [00:27] Project ota-push build #1175: SUCCESS in 1 min 49 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/1175/ [05:57] macchanmatsuda was added by: macchanmatsuda [05:57] @neothethird, Very agree with you Jan. Let us magine, among my translations I would ad adds. But the main problem is webrowser, there are so many ads today. And even with cookies and history I disable and clean continously, the ads come back from the sites I visited. When I visit my parents in-law, I guess what are their medical issues,.... [06:44] Is it possible to install Ubuntu in moto g4 plus? [06:50] @Vijaypraj, Hi Vijay, if your phone is not listed in the Core devices or Legacy devices on the ubports website, then it's not possible at the moment unless you try to port it yourself.... so right now the best thing to do is get a nexus 5 or a oneplus... one of the core devices. sorry. [06:50] Ok [06:50] How to porting? [06:55] @Vijaypraj, Porting : because every phone is so different and plagued by proprietary blobs that don't come with documentation, porting involves following the wiki which just tells you the general idea for building the kernel and setting up the filesystem, flashing etc.... getting it to actually work means spending ages sifting through log files every time it crashes and fixing those errors until it finally boots.... The Halium project will mak [06:55] that process simpler some day. you're welcome to read up on halium and give it a try. [06:56] 👍 [06:56] https://wiki.ubports.com/wiki/UBports-Development-Information [06:57] Thank you bandi [06:57] I will try [06:58] @Vijaypraj, 👍🏼 cheers [06:58] 😊 [06:58] What\s the status of libertine in UBports? [07:01] Project click-import build #27: SUCCESS in 5.8 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/click-import/27/ [07:01] @tylnesh, it works. very useable... i see Kris recommending developing apps directly on the phones using Lazarus IDE and Geany, so it's gotta be good for that to work out. ;) [07:01] Project vivid-rootfs-armhf build #162: SUCCESS in 10 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/vivid-rootfs-armhf/162/ [07:01] Project ota-push build #1176: SUCCESS in 0.49 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/1176/ [07:01] I used to use texstudio, qtcreator, and many more in my old Ubuntu Touch days [07:01] Forgot about how to do it, any links? [07:03] https://wiki.ubports.com/wiki/Libertine%3A-install-and-manage-desktop-applications [07:04] Thanks! Gonna give it a try once I get back from work [07:04] @tylnesh, 👍🏼 have fun === JanC_ is now known as JanC [07:06] http://kriscode.blogspot.tw/2016/10/lazarus-development-for-ubuntu-phone.html [07:07] How's running cli apps in libertine container? [07:07] I assume I'd install a terminal app [07:07] and run them from there [07:07] right? [07:07] can't wait to put byobu on a tablet :) [07:07] yep. gnome terminal... just like normal [07:07] okie-doke [07:10] also, how do I enable ssh on UBports? [07:10] i want to note that you could do native programming on the phone either with or without containers (ie Libertine), and each approach has own pros and cons [07:10] @tylnesh, enabled by default [07:11] I'm not really gonna do development for UBports just now [07:11] but ut devices only allow publick key authentication [07:11] no password authentocation [07:11] so you need to have ssh id on your client [07:11] I need to finish my diploma thesis first [07:11] and import its public ley into the ut device [07:11] then u connect without password [07:11] import? Just add it to .ssh/authorized_keys? [07:12] also if you want to use x forwarding with ssh you need to install xauth package on the phone [07:12] otherwise upon connection you wont be able to generate .Xauthority file [07:12] and x forwarding wont work [07:12] I use mostly cli apps. but I may as well isntall it. [07:12] thanks! [07:13] I'm gonna play with the development of apps for UBports after I finish my diploma thesis [07:13] but if u install xauth package then the .Xauthority will get autogenerated the first time you connect. you will se a warning about missing file but it will be autogenerated and will work [07:13] I just wanna use my tablet as I used to. As an on-the-go netbook replacement [07:19] I wonder if apps like redshift would work :) [07:34] well does redshift come for ARM architecture? [07:40] @KrisJacewicz, Dunno, but what's stopping you us from building it? [07:40] redshift is for Xserver [07:41] Hmm.. ssh port is not open [07:41] ah, ok [07:41] i didnt know if it had sources available or not [07:41] @SwizzlaKalongie, it doesnt matter ut jas xmir [07:42] also almost never an app uses xorg api directly mostly it uses widgetset api like gtk or qt [07:42] gtk has not been poted to mir yet although some work was initiated [07:42] if it ever matures then u could run gtk apps in mir dorectly [07:42] cuz apps mostly call gtknapi not xorg api directly [07:43] @KrisJacewicz, doesn't redshift set the colour globally ? so you're saying it will just change the colour temperature for the one app? [07:43] anyways u can use gtk apps on ut so if redshift has sources that you can compile for arm then you should be able to run it on the ut device [07:44] @SwizzlaKalongie, i dont know for sure but i think it would run but maybe you would not see anything happen in mir window manager [07:44] not sure how much mir has in common with xorg [07:44] bit afaik it provides compatible api via xmir [07:45] so it should be possible to teat it [07:45] *test [07:45] the page says "Your graphics driver and X server needs to either support at least RANDR version 1.3 or the VidMode extension" [07:45] yep... test needed... [07:45] @SwizzlaKalongie, i installed randr on ut directly [07:45] i hoped that i could change dpi setting [07:45] oooo [07:45] so that gtk apps in xmir would scale better [07:46] so it ran and didnt cause any exception [07:46] just that there was no visible effect either :P [07:46] my guess is that xmir provides compatible apis but not all of them produce visible results [07:47] some may be kind of placeholders, dummy apis [07:47] just there so that compilation succeeds [07:47] and so that execution runs without crashes [07:48] but that is also another big problem with UT's xmir: while mir reports actual dpi, xmir seems to always report constant 72 or 90 (dont remember) [07:49] so if your gtk program calls xorg api for checking screen dpi it will not get the real value [07:49] i think it is a bummer, because some apps would scale properly if xmor would report real dpi [07:53] @KrisJacewicz, hmm... interesting [07:53] all speculations though, I dont actually know [07:55] yep...speculation based on knowledge... kinda works out lol [07:58] How to open port 22? No matter what, it always refuses connection [07:59] on BQ m10 [08:00] Michal do you use key authentication? [08:00] @tylnesh, did you import client's public key? [08:01] because ssh is open by default [08:01] It shouldnt matter, as I edited the config to allow password [08:01] and it straight out refuses connection, not refusing the key [08:01] afaik it wont work [08:01] i tried [08:02] some other settings somewhere else overwrite your editted config [08:02] at least that was my experience [08:02] so import the key and check [08:02] i will bet u it will work [08:05] the servce was off by default [08:05] ssh daemon [08:05] that was the problem, after I run it manually, I connected without the key [08:06] alright! [08:06] I wonder.. can you create libertine containers on sd card? [08:07] @tylnesh, otherwise i import key likenthis: … $ export KEY=$(ssh supervizor@192.168.0.47 cat /home/supervizor/.ssh/id_rsa.pub) # ensure that you got the key by printing it and ensuring it is set: $ echo $KEY # now you can import the key: $ echo $KEY >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys [08:07] (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/FeO5bI2a/file_1248.jpg [08:08] @tylnesh, Have you enabled developer mode? That should get it to auto start [08:08] @tylnesh, Libertine has its own path but you can move it to sdcard and create symlink [08:08] of course [08:08] that is great news, since back when I was using it, I mostly had problems with lack of space on the device [08:08] and if you make your own container not via Libertine than you are free to put it anywhere [08:08] 16 gigs is really small for my use-case [08:08] texstudio is a beast :D [08:09] So will UBports be rolling out a security patch for KRACK? [08:09] Hopefully [08:10] I hope [08:12] @DanChapman, inthink that is the reason why i didnt hv to turn it on! [08:23] Project daily-fp2 build #371: SUCCESS in 13 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-fp2/371/ [08:24] Unity8 is qt5, right? [08:24] Project ota-push build #1177: SUCCESS in 1 min 13 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/1177/ [08:24] correct [08:24] @tylnesh, Yes, QML to be more precise [08:26] K! I might port some of the small educational games I made for my nephews. [08:48] what do I need to make the symlink of? [08:48] to move libertine? [08:48] .local/share/libertine ? [08:50] @DanChapman, Dev mode starts ssh? This is new for me ;) [08:51] well it starts the ssh-daemon does it not? [08:51] It did not for me [08:51] Had to start it myself [08:52] @DanChapman, Dont think so because its off in /etc/defaults or whats the name? Even when its starting the script, it would bail-out because of this variable setting [08:56] Ah yeah my bad. Dev mode just enables the adb server. phablet-shell does the rest with starting ssh and copying keys. [09:03] Hello folks. As my BQ E4.5 broke I got a N5 now running Ubports Version of UT. … I wanted to ask if there is any opportunity to get the BQ guitar ring tone to the N5? [09:06] @el_namor, If you get the original file you can set it as custom ringtone [09:11] Any way to extract it from the BQ image file? I dont have my phone anymore. :/ [09:14] @el_namor, Guessing a user can extract it and send it to you. Mine is also dead sadly [09:17] Ok [09:35] I have Bq 4.5, i will try when back home [09:58] BTW... when vivid repositories stop working, what will happen with Libertine? [09:59] (Sticker, 512x452) https://irc.ubports.com/YX0E2VgU/file_1249 [09:59] on BQ M10? :) [10:00] There are space problems. They hog a lot of resources [10:02] There was a concept of multi-snaps with one shared resource. Still debates over whether snaps are the future [10:14] @Stereofont one small question, dont tell to anybody 🤓, in which file i should look for the ring tones? Thanks [10:18] maybe user/share/sounds/ubuntu [10:19] I see them, I found them [10:19] @Stereofont, Well, if you can install snaps to sd card and symlink them to your home, wouldnt that solve the size issue? [10:20] Also with Solus, Fedora, Arch and Elementary jumping on the bandwagon, I think this is foregone conclusion [10:24] Where do libertine containers reside? [10:25] @Stereofont, I tbh I dont see this being practical, you would to have a meta-database which knows about which requirement form a snap is in another snap. In the end it defeats the aomtic behaviour of snaps since you need to install additional dependencies [10:25] @tylnesh, Just because Desktop distro jump here or there does not mean we have to follow without thinking [10:26] @Flohack, look flatpaks [10:26] they just have several default runtimes for flatpaks [10:26] @Flohack, Sure, I meant for the snaps to be the future on the desktop, not mobile. I'm curious how that will work out. [10:26] @vanyasem, gnome, kde, freedesktop, etc [10:26] @vanyasem, Hm I am more concerned about security flaws like libssl being out of date in snaps. [10:27] I hate the entire idea of both snaps and flatpaks tbh [10:27] maybe just being conservative here [10:27] @Flohack, Shouldn't that be the concern of the snap maintainer? [10:28] @vanyasem, I for one love being able to install recent software on 16.04 without going the PPA route [10:28] @tylnesh, Exactly but what if he does not maintain it? We, UBports are then being notorious for having insecure phones. Thats the bottomline everybody will understand. Explain this to press and media, that it was just one sloppy maintainer [10:29] Well, maybe add a check if the version of the libraries in snaps are recent and showing a warning if there's a known vulnerability [10:29] something like" Proceed at your own discretion [10:29] (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/oGBRyUvk/file_1250.ogg [10:30] anyways... again, nobody knows where libertine containers are stored? :) [10:30] @tylnesh, Ok so we need a database on the phone, that will inspect all snaps for versions, and then give warnings? That makes things more and more comlicated. We need to maintain this db and sync it to all devices. Then we are better off by patching the stuff from upstream, as a normal shared lib. Thats the beauty about shared libs, you can update everything in one goi [10:31] True. [10:31] well, it's one big sliding ruler [10:31] convenience —------------— security [10:32] @tylnesh, Expansion to SD would solve a lot of problems. A problem for Nexus 7 though. Would it be fast enough and reliable enough for a standard architecture, rather than 'as and when'? [10:33] True, but how else will you otherwise solve the availability of desktop software past closing of vivid's repo? [10:34] @tylnesh, This what makes Android so secure, they have Java bytecode which is not tied to a certain version of a lib. You can exchange/update whatever you want and it will (probably) not break [10:34] @tylnesh, Xenial, presumably [10:34] @tylnesh, We are in distribution hell, yes. It makes weird things to us such as openstore needing sooner or later multiple versions of Apps for multiple releases available [10:35] Every developer will give up if he has to maintain his App across 3 releases. Thats simply not appealing [10:35] Yeah, and there's no easy way to solve it either [10:35] Isn't snap with dependencies basically what we have now except sandboxed [10:35] What we've always had with package managers* [10:38] The thing is, that in my selfish mind I never even hoped for Ubuntu Touch being successful on the mobile platforms. I don't really give a crap if there's appstore with milions of apps doing fart noises on the platform. I just wanna something open and that I can screw around with and do crazy stuff like installing QtCreator and TexStudon on. [10:38] @samzn, Snaps solve a bunch of things in a good way. but they consume a lot of space, and need super-aware maintainers. I can see snaps shining where a big group of people delivers software, like lets say eclipse as a snap. Or QtCreator. Can be. But the Android ecosystem exploded by the inclusion of single hobby developers. To shift all the burden of reading security advisories on a daily basis, patching and updating in record time, is not fair tbh [10:41] I can see the need for a quantum shift in system architecture at some point in the future but that means having maybe 200,000 established user base? [10:41] Multisnaps could work for big dependencies, for example lets say you depend on electron, you could just point to a shared base [10:54] @tylnesh, .cache/libertine-container/ [10:54]