[01:03] <tgm4883> Just tried 17.10 on my yoga 11e, no touchpad and no keyboard (although the touchscreen works) where would be a good place to start on this?
[01:03] <tgm4883> to be clear, I just tried the live session, not installed
[01:04] <oerheks> what does ' xinput list ' give?
[01:04] <oerheks> and did you have to do any trick earlier to make it work?
[01:05] <tgm4883> oerheks: me? I haven't done anything to make it work yet. It worked fine in 17.04 OOTB
[01:05] <tgm4883> Let me see what xinput list does
[01:05] <oerheks> oke, ootb would be valuable info.. also in live mode?
[01:06] <oerheks> * in 17.04, that is
[01:06] <tgm4883> ok
[01:06] <tgm4883> 17.04 mate is what is currently installed. I'll have to grab a standard 17.04 ISO
[01:07] <tgm4883> I'm guessing that it's not detecting it at all since the onscreen keyboard pops up on text fields
[01:13] <tgm4883> I can't even get a terminal to come up
[01:14] <tgm4883> it tries to start then gives up, no error
[01:15] <oerheks> alt f2  ? or ctl alt t
[01:18] <tgm4883> none of those work, no keyboard
[01:18] <tgm4883> although the media keys work
[01:20] <oerheks> :-(
[01:20] <oerheks> no clue then .. do you have a keyboard with a reciever/usb?
[01:21] <oerheks> logitech k400 or so?
[01:23] <tgm4883> yea I do
[01:25] <oerheks> there you go, if you can connect it, you are free to check xinput
[01:25] <oerheks> i have one too, for such reasons/test pc
[09:26] <CVirus> Why is do-release-upgrade -d trying to upgrade me to 17.10 if it is not released yet?
 CVirus: because of the "-d"
[09:30] <oerheks> -d development or '-do me the latest beta now!'
[12:51] <freakyy> hi :) i run 17.10 perfectly on my laptop and on my big pc. i have one problem on my laptop. the boot-up screen looks instead of purple it looks white and font has pink shadow, everything wron color so to say ;D
[13:12] <freakyy> i just reported a bug :D
[16:59] <gregl> Where can i find info on nvidia Gforce 9500 GT and whether it will work with 17.10? I have googled for the info,but so far i'm coming up empty..
[17:00] <gregl> Under 16.04 i'm running 340.102..
[17:02] <powersj> gregl: via nVidia's own webiste, 340.104 is the latest driver for that family of cards (e.g. GeForce 9 series) per http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/123703/en-us
[17:04] <powersj> there does appear to be a package with that version in artful: "nvidia-340 - NVIDIA binary driver - version 340.104"
[17:11] <gregl> powersj, Thanks for that.. I did try it a month ago,but after a reboot i had nothing but a black screen.. I couldn't recover from that,so I am a bit reluctant to try it again...
[17:12] <BluesKaj> gregl, yes the 340 is available on Artful,. I'm using it as we speak on 17.10
[17:12] <powersj> gregl: yikes :) I can understand not wanting to try again
[17:13] <BluesKaj> gregl, just make sure you have dkms installed ..it should be by default
[17:14] <gregl> BluesKaj, That's good to know.. Maybe I will give it a try then.. Thanks I will put your info in my install notes..
[18:00] <ghostcube> gregl: you shouldnt have only a blank screen after you reboot into a linux system even the driver is faulty. 
[18:35] <gregl> ghostcube, I have been running Linux since 1994.. I usually can solve most problems,but I could't even get it to boot to a command prompt,to purge the nvidia drivers.. I ended going back to 16.04..
[18:37] <ghostcube> sure, but this is not a nvidia driver problem
[18:37] <ghostcube> this sounds like a problem with your system inside 17.10
[18:40] <gregl> ghostcube, Yeah,perhaps,but this happened nearly a month ago,so I will give it a go when the release comes out... Thanks
[18:41] <stochastix> Hi, is there going to be an easy upgrade from 17.10 to 18.04 possibly  ?
[18:41] <ghostcube> gregl: sure, could be a regression in an rc state of the iso
[18:41] <ghostcube> :)
[19:13] <vithiri> I noticed while installing the daily from yesterday on my laptop using the default partitioning (delete everything and move ahead) that no swap partition and no swap file was created -- is that intentional? I eventually ran out of memory and had some random freezes before managing to Google my way towards creating a swap file.
[19:18] <BluesKaj> vithiri, that's odd usually there's a reminder popup to create a swap in the partitioning phase
[19:19] <vithiri> BluesKaj: There's no partitioning phase if you just accept the defaults. :)
[19:19] <BluesKaj> are you sure?
[19:20] <vithiri> BluesKaj: Looks like the same was observed in 17.04 as well (https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2359100). Still reading through the thread though.
[19:20] <vithiri> Perhaps the use case is rare, or it's just a fluke. I don't find a lot of references to it.
[19:21] <vithiri> This laptop is admittedly very low on RAM and would choke without swap fairly quickly.
[19:21] <BluesKaj> use gparted live media to create a swap, it's not difficult
[19:21] <vithiri> I just created a swapfile, now it works fine. I'm not sure if that's the expected OOB experience though. :)
[19:22] <flocculant> it's not
[19:22] <vithiri> That seems to be how the referenced thread ended as well.
[19:24] <BluesKaj> hmm, that surprises me, but i usually prepartition before installing clean so the swap already exists 
[19:24] <flocculant> xubuntu at least creates swapfile in /
[19:24] <flocculant> just booting the ubuntu iso
[19:25] <flocculant> BluesKaj: ack - if there is some swap somewhere that gets used, if none exists *buntu no longer creates a swap partition, just a swapfile
[19:25] <BluesKaj> we're talking about swap paririons here..swap files a re a different story
[19:26] <flocculant> BluesKaj: you're talking about swap partitions - vithiri was talking about no swapfile :D
[19:26] <flocculant> well we all are :p
[19:26] <vithiri> I'm used to creating a swap partition myself, or rather just using the one I've got around in the partitioning. This was the first time for a long time that I just went with the default to see what happens. It seems like it should have created a swapfile by default.
[19:26] <BluesKaj> flocculant, think he meant partition 
[19:27] <flocculant> vithiri: it should have
[19:28] <BluesKaj> vithiri, wonder if a minimum amount of ram now precludes a swapfile or partition
[19:28] <vithiri> https://pastebin.com/LmiphEk5 -- here's a comparison of "top" running before and after creating my swapfile.
[19:32] <BluesKaj> I don't trust autopartitioning ...period 
[19:34] <vithiri> That's why I usually handle it myself. :D
[19:34] <flocculant> vithiri: I assume that fstab doesn't have a /swapfile line ? alos you could look in /var/log/installer/partman to see if that shows any swap
[19:34] <vithiri> flocculant: Now it does. I can't tell you if it did before I created the file, but the file wasn't there.
[19:37] <flocculant> well I just tried xubuntu and ubuntu - both created a swapfile in / as expected
[19:37] <flocculant> not having one is definitely not expected :)
[19:38] <vithiri> flocculant: There is this line: /lib/partman/finish.d/25create_swapfile: IN: PARTITIONS =dev=sda
[19:38] <vithiri> flocculant: I guess the first one is for the swapfile created on the USB media.
[19:47] <flocculant> I guess - not sure though :)
[19:47] <vithiri> Sorry, I was disconnected for some reason. If it was more widespread, you'd most likely have been alerted apart from an obscure thread over at the forums already. :)
[19:49] <flocculant> yup
[20:37] <vithiri> So far, no further freezes in 17.10 on this machine after creating the swapfile at least. Could be worth keeping an eye on complaints. :)
[20:37] <lundmar> lol, in Ubuntu 17.10, running gnome-terminal and pressing f11 (fullscreen) repeatedly will make the terminal window shrink :/
[20:38] <vithiri> lundmar: Try to grab hold of the right hand side border and resize it horizontally swiftly back and forth. Just read about that issue on Reddit.
[20:38] <vithiri> lundmar: Most likely, the window will keep growing vertically.
[20:41] <lundmar> vithiri: I can't reproduce that. However, the F11 shrink is quite annoying when working in and out of terinals during the day.
[20:54] <vithiri> lundmar: Can you reproduce it with two tabs open?
[20:54] <vithiri> lundmar: Noticed I can't reproduce it with only one tab.
[21:07] <lundmar> vithiri: No - works fine here.
[21:14] <vithiri> lundmar: https://media.giphy.com/media/3ohhwrTSfFj17Zek5W/giphy.gif
[21:24] <lundmar> vithiri: No, I can't reproduce it. I'm running Gnome/Wayland.
[23:38] <ignoo> hello, running ubuntu GNOME 16.04, have some issue with ubuntu ArtfulAardvark: https://pastebin.com/W1tBbqpq . Thank you for your support.
[23:42] <nacc> that is spam --^ also was done in #ubuntu, just fyi
[23:42] <krytarik> And also in #ubuntuforums.