=== robert_ancell_ is now known as robert_ancell [05:53] good morning desktoppers [06:00] Morning oSoMoN [06:05] hey duflu [06:36] good morning [06:46] morning [06:46] salut jibel [06:47] salut didrocks , ça va ? [07:03] * duflu returns and then leaves again to put on work clothes and fix 3 holes in the roof :P [07:03] Without rain I would never know [07:19] without rain - you could leave it till another day :) [07:19] jibel: ça va bien, et toi ? [07:20] morning didrocks :) [07:20] didrocks, ça va bien. trying to find a release critical bug ;) [07:20] didrocks, then holidays next week before moving to a new house [07:20] hey flocculant [07:21] jibel: there is maybe this ATI one for you ;) [07:21] jibel: sounds nice! and good luck ;) [07:21] terminal doesn't start in a live session on an uefi syste [07:21] m [07:21] same problem with the locale it seems [07:21] yeah, probably [07:22] I'm going to do a full reinstall on my main machine with current iso (but probably tomorrow morning) [07:22] didn't reinstall since… 2011! [07:22] cleaning up and migrating my home dir [07:22] my main machine has been installed in 2010 and upgraded since then [07:23] even more hardcore :) [07:23] mine is 2011 due to laptop refresh :p [07:23] why would you need to reinstall ? [07:23] it's more an excuse to clean up most of my -dev packages and other tools installed [07:24] I run deborphan and deborphan -a from time to time to clean up stuff that accumulated over time [07:24] dpigs is also useful to free some space [07:24] jibel: I regularly reinstall as I'm awesome at killing xubuntu with the dev ppa's we use :D [07:25] oh, I don't know about dpigs [07:25] * didrocks looks [07:33] bug 1724153 [07:33] bug 1724153 in casper (Ubuntu) "gnome-terminal does not start in live session on an UEFI system" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1724153 [07:36] didrocks, what's the bug # for the issue with ATI? [07:38] jibel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1723577 [07:38] Ubuntu bug 1723577 in gdm3 (Ubuntu) "Artful won't start with Wayland activated (AMD?)" [High,Confirmed] [07:38] I think amano's one is different (he has nvidia), and is due to the kernel [07:39] at least 2 persons though confirms it so far === Guest26424 is now known as fredp === fredp is now known as Guest55076 [07:40] duflu: I see you suggested the same packages than I did there (directly on the french forum, as both persons impacted are there). Looking at the upgrade list, I'm a little bit out of ideas [07:41] there is bug 1723619 too [07:41] I aksed for the gdm logs in debug mode [07:41] bug 1723619 in linux (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Desktop ISO fails to boot with nouveau on a displayport" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1723619 [07:41] yeah, I guess that's amano's one [07:41] okay [07:41] on the ATI bug it worked until the 5-7th October [07:42] so, there is hope :) [07:42] we should write some revert program taking a date in /var/log/apt/history.log and reverting all upgraded package that day [07:43] good morning desktopers [07:43] (also, enabling rollbacking from a source package, with a particular version) [07:43] I might do it next cycle, would be easier for contributors/debug situations like this [07:43] hey seb128 [07:43] jibel, could be that the uefi issue is fixed by https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/1.387 ? [07:43] just random guess, I saw that upload [07:43] but it has no bug reference [07:45] seb128, yes it should be. Respin is imminent [07:46] I read that on #u-r, good [08:01] ahoy [08:02] hey Laney [08:03] hey Laney, how are you? [08:04] morning all [08:04] hey willcooke [08:06] hey didrocks seb128 willcooke [08:06] hey willcooke [08:06] what's up? [08:06] * Laney is good, nice climbing last night \m/ [08:07] nothing special, still mostly baby-caring time as another full time job :p (especially now that he doesn't want to do his last nap :p) [08:08] didrocks, ahha! [08:08] didrocks, so it begins [08:10] it does! [08:12] begins?! [08:15] First two naps, then one nap, then no nap, then they never. shut. the. hell. up. [08:16] is there still a probation period, can you send him back? :) [08:16] pre-teens never. shut. the. hell. up. either .... [08:19] * Laney nelson laugh [08:33] didrocks, better to ask twice than not at all I guess. [08:33] Hey, good news: I didn't kill myself when replacing roof tiles [08:37] glad to hear it duflu :)) [08:38] Ha. "Very high (near 100%) chance of showers with gusty winds in the evening." === darkxst_ is now known as darkxst [09:31] hey all [09:31] hey andyrock [09:31] morning andyrock [09:34] Hi andyrock [09:56] willcooke, if I propose a patch to mutter today does that count as SRU yet? [09:56] Hopefully not [09:57] Final freeze is in the past, so it might be. seb128 or Laney will know for sure [09:58] duflu: yes, it will likely be an SRU (possibly zero-day) unless it gets uploaded immediately (there will be a [final?] respin soon) [09:58] jbicha, gimme 60 seconds [09:59] morning jbicha [09:59] jbicha, patch in the upstream bug link - https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-shell/+bug/1724185 [09:59] Ubuntu bug 1724185 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Xwayland leaves no core dump when crashing" [High,New] [09:59] the respin will be started soon (waiting on some packages to publish), apart if there is another one, it will be a SRU [10:00] maybe you can bribe infinity [10:00] if the fixes are easy enough and warrant the wait for a respin [10:00] duflu: I don't see a patch? [10:00] jbicha, it's the raw attachment inhttps://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=789086 [10:00] Gnome bug 789086 in wayland "Xwayland leaves no core dump when crashing" [Major,New] [10:01] oh there's 2 GNOME bugs for that LP bug [10:02] jbicha, ok attached in LP [10:05] not sure you should rush this in (seem Jonas's comment) [10:06] why do you want it in the image? 0d SRU should be fine [10:08] Laney: where do you see Jonas' comment? [10:08] (on the upstream bug) [10:08] Laney, yeah needs more work. [10:09] But the top gnome-shell crasher was worth pushing for [10:09] duflu: ok, let's wait for that [10:09] (Jonas' comment wasn't there a few minutes ago ;) ) [10:10] (let's wait = let's not rush to get this patch in now) [10:10] sure [10:10] but if it wasn't I would have gone and asked him for an opinion :-) [10:10] Yeah. Sad we don't have any clues yet - https://errors.ubuntu.com/?package=xwayland&period=year === Guest55076 is now known as fredp === fredp is now known as Guest15505 [10:23] seb128: for resizable tiling you need 2 things: mutter and gtk. There's enough mutter commits that reverting all of them doesn't make sense [10:23] see the Florian and Georges commits just before 3.26.1 https://git.gnome.org/browse/mutter/log?h=gnome-3-26 [10:24] you're right that the feature hasn't gotten much Ubuntu testing because gtk3 was stuck in artful-proposed :| [10:30] jbicha, I noticed that. I have a gtk proposal behind yours [10:31] duflu: the update got stuck because of LP: #1721828 [10:31] Launchpad bug 1721828 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu Artful) "gtk 3.22.24 breaks software-properties tests (Gdk-Message: setup.py: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :99.)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1721828 [10:31] jbicha, it's OK. My gtk proposal is less important than many other things [11:36] jbicha, was->is, gtk is still stucked in proposed and it looks like it's not going to migrate for release [11:51] OK, new mutter patch provided upstream. I need to run [11:52] (no, we don't need it this week) [12:41] Can someone confirm this: Go to control centre, search "users", click on it, long delay, finally opens? Same with browsing Details -> Users there is a delay before the panel opens [12:44] willcooke, what do you mean by "long delay" ? [12:44] ~ 5 seconds or so [12:44] it's slower than other panel but not so much [12:44] more like half a second here [12:44] it's about 7 seconds here [12:44] might just be me [12:44] can someone else check when they get a mo please [12:46] it's slower [12:46] not 7 seconds [12:46] but feels like a bug [12:46] willcooke, same result on another machine, it is not what I would call slow [12:46] kk, must be me then [12:47] :) [12:47] thanks jibel andyrock [12:47] maybe it depends on the number of users [12:47] Dont think so, since I first saw it when I was trying to add a new user [12:47] and it's the same now with 2 as it was with 1 [12:47] there must me some sync operation [12:48] willcooke, it's a known issue, was discussed at GUADEC by some of the fedora people, it's the new panel doing too much sync work on init [12:49] ah, ok! thanks seb128 [12:49] I'll add a known issue to the release notes then [12:50] could people install gtk from proposed and give it a try? [12:51] doing now [12:51] it's being pondered to move out of proposed to the iso [12:51] thanks [12:51] seb128, anything I should look for [12:51] ? [12:51] no, just if you find anything weird/buggy with it [12:52] ack [13:05] willcooke, do you have an external webcam connected? is it less slow without it? [13:05] seb128, only the built in one [13:05] k [13:05] I was looking for open upstream bugs [13:06] willcooke, but basically https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=783789 [13:06] Gnome bug 783789 in User Accounts "User accounts panel is slow to open" [Normal,Resolved: duplicate] [13:07] which got marked as a duplicate of a cheese bug https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=782627 [13:07] Gnome bug 782627 in general "Cheese starts slowly" [Normal,Needinfo] [13:07] is cheese slow to start for you? [13:08] shrug, why is cheese listed twice in the dash? [13:08] interesting, yes it does [13:08] very slow [13:08] seb128, do you have the snap installed as well? [13:08] k, good, so it's probably the same issue [13:09] willcooke, lol, I do, good thinking :) [13:09] :) [13:09] I installed it during the rally to help Ken to debug it [13:09] kenvandine, btw did you ever manage to work on that/figure it out? [13:11] seb128, no, i haven't gone back to it yet [13:12] k, I might still have a look then :p [13:13] willcooke, Laney, jbicha, new gtk seems to work fine for me [13:13] seb128, yeah, nothing bad happened here yet [14:21] after trying some reboots (in vms only, didn't want to restart my session), I confirm that I didn't spot anything after 30 minutes of testing and various apps [14:21] (with new gtk) [14:22] didrocks, thanks for testing/confirming [14:22] we should have forced migration that one some days ago :-/ [14:23] agreed [14:23] or use the french community to test it at the same time [14:23] speaking of which… let's ask them [14:24] It wasn't clear that it was not a GTK bug [14:24] I don't agree that we should have forced it [14:24] (or I would have argued for that and then probably done it) [14:26] well either wait we should have ignored it stucked in proposed for so long, it feels like we ended up having to make a bad call late [14:26] either reject or land without margin to get feedback about issues [14:26] I did not ignore it [14:26] should *not* [14:26] I was working on that bug for days [14:26] I don't say you did [14:26] but we delayed taking a decision too long imho [14:26] ok, I disagree with you but no need to argue there [14:27] we should as a team have discussion ours options when it was becoming late [14:27] discussed [14:27] k, fair [14:28] I just don't like to land it that late, unsure how we could have avoided that though [14:30] Meeting time [14:30] o/ [14:30] \o [14:31] o/ [14:31] Roll call: andyrock, dgadomski, didrocks, duflu (out), jbicha, jamesh (out), jibel/heber, kenvandine, laney, oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out) [14:31] o/ [14:31] o/ [14:31] o/ [14:31] hey! [14:31] hi [14:31] Looks like we have enough people to get started. [14:32] #topic andyrock [14:32] hey [14:32] 1. Spotting apport issues [14:32] 2. Some work on livepatch dekstop integratation [14:32] 3. Working on this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1723301 (I have a possible fix but not a way to reproduce this, so upstream asked me to try a way to reproduce this) [14:32] 4. Working on this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1720400 (found a way to reproduce, trying to fix it) [14:32] Ubuntu bug 1723301 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell crashed with SIGSEGV in meta_wayland_surface_ensure_inhibit_shortcuts_dialog()" [Medium,In progress] [14:32] Ubuntu bug 1720400 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "/usr/bin/gnome-control-center:11:update_buffers:image_get_buffers:intel_update_image_buffers:intel_update_renderbuffers:intel_prepare_render" [High,Triaged] [14:32] eow [14:32] Thanks andyrock [14:33] any other bugs assigned for release andyrock? [14:33] nope [14:33] cool, [14:33] thanks [14:33] I'm trying to fix some crashes around [14:33] but nothing blocking [14:33] great [14:33] #topic dgadomski [14:33] hey [14:33] only 1 thing in desktop area: I was able to reproduce bug #1718688 with hostapd, checking wpasupplicant source code to fix it [14:33] bug 1718688 in linux (Ubuntu) "Can't connect to a Cisco AP with Wi-Fi Direct Client Policy enabled" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1718688 [14:33] eof [14:33] thanks dgadomski [14:34] #topic didrocks [14:34] * Settings: fix background selection color and only apply the theme change to our ones. [14:34] * Update to 3.26.1 & fix gnome-session migration for people running rhythmbox. Fix later a crasher for people not having it installed! Also make the "on Xorg" part translatable. [14:34] * More Marco's theme reviews and discussion. Sponsored his work. [14:34] * Cherry-pick fix for focus on GNOME Shell. [14:34] * Tried to debug gdm for second user selection, found the regression, but a proper fix is complex and needs more digging [14:34] * Review & discuss gdm fix for fallback session with Olivier [14:34] * More community interactions on our hub [14:34] * Worked with the french community (currently in progress) to debug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1723577 [14:34] Ubuntu bug 1723577 in gdm3 (Ubuntu) "Artful won't start with Wayland activated (AMD?)" [High,Confirmed] [14:34] * Did some VM iso testing will do a real install tomorrow. [14:34] * Write a blog post for the past week changes: https://didrocks.fr/2017/10/16/ubuntu-gnome-shell-in-artful-day-15/ [14:34] * Discussed with IS and p_opey, about discourse integration, which worked, didn't work and worked for a few hours without doing anything. Filed a RT now to get that properly tracked. Fallbacked to manual link posted (which probably refrain from getting comments). [14:34] No RC bug assigned to me remaining [14:34] . [14:34] thanks didrocks [14:34] seems I forgot to start the meeting properly. [14:34] never mind [14:34] #topic duflu [14:35] * Totem CPU usage (https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1698282) [14:35] - RELEASED the main totem CPU fix (to Debian actually): https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/clutter-gtk/1.8.4-2 [14:35] - The patch is also upstream awaiting review still. [14:35] - Re-profiled totem/gst-play-1.0 and provided status updates in: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1698282 [14:35] Ubuntu bug 1698282 in clutter-gst-3.0 (Ubuntu) "Totem uses dramatically higher CPU than any other video player" [Medium,Confirmed] [14:35] - Temporarily finished this task? AFAIK the only remaining improvement is DMAbuf support which upstream has in progress already. Perhaps I will context switch away from this for a while and only step in again later if they haven't made progress on DMA-buf... [14:35] * Totem stuttering (https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1698270) [14:35] Ubuntu bug 1698270 in totem (Ubuntu) "Totem pauses and stutters during video playback even when CPU usage is low" [High,In progress] [14:35] - Spent more hours retesting and trying to improve the GDK smoothness fix: https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/gtk/fix-1698270/+merge/331846 (needs sponsorship) [14:35] - The good news is the above fix still works well in totem, gnome-maps and gdkgears. And seemingly can't be improved. [14:35] - Spent more hours analysing the clutter code again to see if another fix needs to go in there too. Probably not, so long as the GDK fix lands. [14:35] - Spent more hours trying to identify why totem and only totem stutters badly on disk IO, in one place (yet other gstreamer apps don't). SUCCESS: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=788926 (although it now seems upstream has known about it since 2014 and the old bug report just wasn't adequately worded to notice :/) [14:35] Gnome bug 788926 in general "Video playback pauses/stutters while totem writes to ~/.config/totem/session_state.xspf" [Normal,Resolved: duplicate] [14:35] - WORK IN PROGRESS on a final fix for totem/totem-pl-parser. [14:35] * Appearance (https://trello.com/c/YgueNEZA/260-bug1714459-shell-panel-font-is-blurry-under-wayland) [14:35] - Iterated my fix for shell font rendering options a couple of times and proposed upstream again: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=645433 [14:35] Gnome bug 645433 in wayland "gnome-shell's panel ignores font settings" [Normal,Assigned] [14:35] * Daily bug management across gnome-shell, mutter, gdm3, ubuntu-themes, bluez, pulseaudio, dkms and mir. [14:35] (going to keep using the # commands so that I can parse the logs) [14:35] #topic jbicha [14:36] • robert_ancell's file-roller squashfs/snap patch is now upstream (after I poked the maintainer) https://bugzilla.gnome.org/662519 [14:36] Gnome bug 662519 in general "support for squashfs filesystem images" [Enhancement,Resolved: fixed] [14:36] • smcv got mozjs52 to build on s390x in Debian so I uploaded gnome-shell and friends to Debian unstable [14:36] • Fixed and pushed upstream LP: #1723266 [14:36] Launchpad bug 1723266 in Caribou "Hide Caribou from Startup Applications" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1723266 [14:36] • Disabled the non-working Actions for LP: #1720262 [14:36] Launchpad bug 1720262 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "gnome-screenshot Actions don't work in default Ubuntu 17.10 session" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1720262 [14:36] • Rebased our patches to re-enable GNOME Builder's Terminal LP: #1722953 [14:36] Launchpad bug 1722953 in gnome-builder (Ubuntu) "Builder 3.26: Re-enable terminal plugin" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1722953 [14:36] • Sponsoring some mutter cherry-picked patches to artful [14:36] • (no remaining rc bugs here) eof [14:36] thanks jbicha [14:36] #topic jamesh [14:37] No update this week. [14:37] :( [14:37] #topic jibel / heber [14:37] hey [14:37] QA updates: [14:37] * Wrote multi-monitor test cases [14:37] * Release candidates testing (new image coming soon) [14:37] * Daily bug triaging [14:37] * See ubiquity and upgrade jobs that are failing [14:37] * Add snap helpers to ubuntu-system-tests [14:37] * Continue with gnome-shell test runner [14:37] EOF [14:37] thanks heber [14:37] just a note about the release [14:37] #topic kenvandine [14:37] we are waiting for a new image to fix bug 1724224 [14:37] bug 1724224 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity crashed with FileNotFoundError in _execute_child(): [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sensible-browser': 'sensible-browser'" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1724224 [14:37] oops carry on jibel [14:38] and new translation for kylin [14:38] done [14:38] * Worked on the GNOME SDK build snap, still missing quite a bit of stuff but it builds with glib, gtk, vala, and some other basics now. [14:38] * Remmina fixes have been merged upstream and in the edge channel of the store [14:38] * Added a couple new GNOME snaps [14:38] * Doing some cross distro snap testing in preparation for a blog post on running the latest GNOME apps as snaps [14:38] * No RC bugs assigned [14:38] thanks jibel [14:38] found our snaps don't work on fedora :( [14:38] because of /snap not being used [14:38] popey is going to escalate that issue [14:38] haha [14:38] thanks kenvandine [14:38] works great on debian and mint though :) [14:38] "told you if would be an issue" [14:39] great news on remmina too [14:39] seb128, yup :) [14:39] eof [14:39] #topic Laney [14:39] • Went back to NYC [14:39] • Had a few meetings and 18.04 plan discussions, saw the plans of other teams [14:39] • Helped identify apport being broken, thanks Brian for fixing that [14:39] • Looked at gnome-software shell extensions category view being empty [14:39] • Spent a long long time looking into LP: #1721828, eventually fixed in the software-properties testsuite (that was my rls-aa-tracking bug) [14:39] Launchpad bug 1721828 in software-properties (Ubuntu Artful) "gtk 3.22.24 breaks software-properties tests (Gdk-Message: setup.py: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :99.)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1721828 [14:39] • A lot of queue reviews [14:39] 🚏 [14:40] thanks Laney [14:40] #topic oSoMoN [14:40] hey [14:40] • approved https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/gdm/language-switching/+merge/331980 [14:40] • continued discussing bug #1718446 and proposed a patch that got accepted upstream, now preparing a SRU to land it asap after release [14:40] bug 1718446 in gdm3 (Ubuntu) "Ensure wayland -> xorg fallback to the corresponding session" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1718446 [14:40] • managed to get chromium 62 (current beta, to become stable this week) to build on trusty amd64 and i386 with a backported clang 4.0 and a rather manageable distro patch, looking into armhf failure (linker OOM it seems) [14:40] • updating chromium dev to 63.0.3236.7 [14:40] • some progress on bug #1697641, a11y was working in chromium at some point in the not too distant past, but it regressed − even then, OSK was not working so some more work will be required [14:40] bug 1697641 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "Chromium doesn't open OSK under GNOME Shell" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1697641 [14:40] • gotta prepare libreoffice 5.4.2 SRU as I didn't have time for it before final freeze [14:40] EOF [14:41] thanks oSoMoN [14:41] oSoMoN: can we try to get the fix in proposed tomorrow? [14:41] didrocks, yes, on it [14:41] oSoMoN: so that we release it in -updates quickly after the release [14:41] as it's for upgrades [14:41] great! [14:41] thanks :) [14:41] #topic seb128 [14:41] - daily review of recent artful bugs and e.u.c reports [14:41] - some iso testing [14:41] - restored a part of the g-s-d patch dropped to fix the suspend on login issue (schemas still needed by u-s-d) [14:41] - discussed dh_translations vs meson a bit with Didier [14:41] - debugged/fixes outdated translations in launchpad on some projects due to translations sharing [14:41] - backported a libimobiledevice ios11 fix [14:41] - workarounded for duplicate items in the notifications panel in g-c-c [14:41] - debugged apport not starting with andyrock [14:41] - wrote an uncomplete patch for orca not starting in ubiquity describing the issue and how a fix could work, hopefully somebody from the ubiquity team pick up from there [14:41] - did another g-s-d regression fix, thanks to a contributor who pointed the merge error [14:41] [14:41] thanks seb128 [14:42] #topic tkamppeter [14:42] - UDEV/systemd: Further testing on the problem with the USB printer auto setup not working. Reported bug to systemd upstream but no answer yet. [14:42] - ippusbxd: Updated documentation upstream (readme.md). [14:42] - avahi: Rithvik already started studying the localhost support problem for IPP-over-USB. [14:42] - Bugs. [14:42] thanks tkamppeter [14:42] #topic Trevinho [14:42] · Further fixes in the suggested-action button [14:42] · Improvements to the inverted gradient on maximized windows [14:42] · Lots of debugging in mutter and GS crashes [14:42] (https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=786557, [14:42] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=782385, [14:42] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=788971) [14:42] Gnome bug 786557 in lock-screen "Input on lock-screen, gnome-shell crashes" [Critical,New] [14:43] · Some refactoring in mutter MetaScreen in order to fix a major crash [14:43] Gnome bug 782385 in Backend: X11 "X session crashes when undocking or switching off an external monitor" [Normal,New] [14:43] Gnome bug 788971 in wayland "gnome-shell crashed in meta_display_get_current_time_roundtrip on resume from suspend" [Major,Assigned] [14:43] (https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=788860) [14:43] Gnome bug 788860 in general "gnome-shell crashed with SIGSEGV in meta_workspace_get_work_area_for_monitor()" [Major,Resolved: fixed] [14:43] · Looking into a way to get better JS dumps on GS crashes (seems to work) [14:43] · Currently debugging https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=788627 [14:43] And good news for a11y: Large mouse cursor is finally working (using gdm as greeter) congrats to who fixed it. [14:43] Gnome bug 788627 in general "Crash in gnome-shell blur_pixels(): failed to allocate 18446744072098939136 bytes" [Major,New] [14:43] which [14:43] I can reproduce (or similar [14:43] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=788908) [14:43] Gnome bug 788908 in st "gnome-shell crashed with SIGSEGV in clutter_actor_get_allocation_box (from _st_create_shadow_pipeline_from_actor)" [Normal,New] [14:43] #topic robert_ancell [14:43] - Fix RC critical crash in gnome-software (LP: #1723312) [14:43] - Fix async operation cancelling not working in snapd-glib [14:43] - snapd-glib refactoring [14:43] - simple-scan 3.27.1 releas [14:43] #topic APB [14:43] Launchpad bug 1723312 in gnome-software (Ubuntu Artful) "/usr/bin/gnome-software:11:g_variant_is_trusted:g_variant_builder_add_value:g_variant_valist_new:g_variant_new_va:g_variant_new" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1723312 [14:44] Anyone got anything? [14:44] And good news for a11y: Large mouse cursor is finally working (using gdm as greeter) congrats to who fixed it. [14:44] ah, nice! Good spot tkamppeter, and thanks to whoever fixed it [14:44] tkamppeter, nice [14:44] willcooke: did we want to discuss some bugs from http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-aa-incoming-bug-tasks.html ? [14:44] Yeah, lets take a look: [14:45] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/backintime/+bug/1713313 [14:45] Ubuntu bug 1713313 in xdiagnose (Ubuntu) "Unable to launch pkexec'ed applications on Wayland session" [Undecided,Confirmed] [14:45] I have some vision problem and over the 20 years I used Unix/Linux the mouse cursor was always too small and never a way to get it bigger. [14:45] I dont think there is much we can do about that bug for release is there? [14:45] tkamppeter: :) [14:46] I don't think we can, apart from the xhost arg, but I think it's a little bit counter-productive [14:46] 1713313 is already release-noted [14:46] ack [14:46] right, -notfixing imho [14:46] and then, we can take that into account for the LTS plan [14:47] maybe there's a way in 18.04 we could notify the user *why* the pkexec app doesn't work at the time it's attempted [14:47] +1, what's the correct tag? rls-aa-notfixing - or is there something more desktop team specific we can use? [14:47] +1 was at notfixing [14:47] jbicha: for those using pkexec, but doesn't work for the traditional "sudo nautilus" that people do [14:47] I think that's the correct one [14:48] k, next.. [14:48] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gst-plugins-ugly1.0/+bug/1723599 [14:48] Ubuntu bug 1723599 in gst-plugins-ugly1.0 (Ubuntu) "Fails to associate decoder-video/x-ms-asf with gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly" [Undecided,New] [14:48] that's just a bug, nothing important for the release [14:48] Laney, ^ you might know where to reassign/what component might get it wrong? [14:49] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/whoopsie/+bug/1720331 is already assigned to jamesh [14:49] Ubuntu bug 1720331 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Whoopsie continually relaunching" [Low,Triaged] [14:49] is that still using the Gstreamer-Decoders info from the package description? [14:50] willcooke, that one is probably -notfixing since jamesh fixed the issue in whoopsie, the control center side is nice to land but not an important issue at this point [14:50] yeah [14:50] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fwupd/+bug/1717009 [14:50] Ubuntu bug 1717009 in fwupd (Ubuntu) "fwupd breaking access to certain usb devices" [High,In progress] [14:50] fixed upstream [14:50] dunno [14:50] would have to dig [14:50] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1707898 [14:51] Ubuntu bug 1707898 in systemd (Ubuntu) "systemd translations are not synced with upstream" [Critical,New] [14:51] we're being pinged on that one by x_nox [14:51] willcooke, the fwupd is foundations and has been fixed upstream [14:51] right, I've the systemd one in a tab, I'm going to comment after the meeting [14:51] thx [14:52] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/1710377 [14:52] Ubuntu bug 1710377 in software-properties (Ubuntu) ""Additional Drivers" desktop shortcut missing in Ubuntu 17.10" [Low,New] [14:52] seb128 has already updated [14:52] Laney, k, well you did the switch to g-s for codecs install so you might have an idea where to look, if you want to do that when there is a more quiet time post release that would be nice [14:52] willcooke, right [14:52] ok [14:52] thx [14:52] the Additional Drivers bug is won't fix for artful, right? [14:52] feel free to assign me [14:52] k, I think that's the end of the list [14:53] jbicha, well at least for release, wouldn't be impossible to SRU if we think it's worth [14:53] thoughts on LP: #1707352 ? should we release-note it? [14:53] Launchpad bug 1707352 in sane-backends (Ubuntu) "the change from libsane to libsane1 broke many (all?) 3rd party plug-ins for sane" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1707352 [14:53] any reason it's missing? it's just an oversight, correct? [14:53] (we didn't really test it, but I don't think it had been broken?) [14:54] didrocks: my comment on the bugs says that the current icon will look bad in vanilla GNOME [14:54] jbicha, that seems unfortunate :-/ did you talk to robert about it? [14:54] seb128: no but I can ask him later [14:54] jbicha: hum, indeed, but the functionality is still important in some ways… I guess if we balance that with the icon look… [14:56] didrocks: but at this point it's a user interface change so I'm suggesting we fix the !Humanity icon too if we're going to do an SRU [14:56] c [14:57] cockatrice [14:57] vowel please Carol [14:57] yes, fair enough, we'll need someone to have icon design experience then [14:58] kk, let's wrap the meeting (since meeting ology isnt running it doesnt really make any difference) [14:58] #endmeeting [14:58] Please carry on if you need to though [14:59] thanks [14:59] thx! [14:59] didrocks: I thought the faenza 'jockey' icon looked good when I looked a year ago but I never got a reply from Matthieu James when I asked him about re-using it [14:59] thanks [15:00] jbicha: when did you ask, recently? [15:01] I emailed him @canonical.com Aug 18 2016 and @gmail a few days ago [15:01] I don't know if he left Canonical at some point so maybe didn't get the first email? [15:02] Anyone already has copied MP3 (or Music in general) to an Android phone with Artful? [15:03] I didn't but saw a recent report about a crash of mtp [15:03] jbicha: he isn't around anymore, but he was still here in 2016, I don't know more than you how to reach him though [15:03] what license is faenza? [15:04] it appeared to be GPL-3+ so that's why I asked. (software-properties is GPL-2+). I think we could probably use the icon without re-licensing though, right? [15:05] tkamppeter, why are you asking? [15:05] there is a gvfsd-mtp segfault high on artful e.u.c report [15:05] tkamppeter, bug 1724075 bug 1723815 [15:05] bug 1724075 in gvfs (Ubuntu) "gvfsd-mtp crashed with SIGSEGV in __strlen_avx2()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1724075 [15:05] bug 1723815 in gvfs (Ubuntu) "Unable to show files on MTP connection" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1723815 [15:05] jibel, I get mtp crashes a lot, not on my attempts to tranfer music (it simply says that it cannot write onto the phone) but on connecting/disconnecting(?) the phone. [15:05] but I've been replacing the binary by a wrapper under valgrind for a few weeks and don't error [15:06] bug #1718694 [15:06] bug 1718694 in gvfs (Ubuntu) "/usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-mtp:11:unregister_mount_got_proxy_cb:g_task_return_now:g_task_return:init_second_async_cb:g_task_return_now" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1718694 [15:06] k, need to go/move location, back in a bit [15:07] jibel, thanks, looks like a feature which we have to skip in Artful. Or is there some special trick/workaround. [15:09] honestly it seems in a bad shape. something to fix for 18.04 and SRU if possible [15:10] jibel, so I think the best is to ask seb128 how to apply his workaround with valgrind. [15:13] jbicha: thanks for the mail! I don't have a strong opinion on it, need to think about this with a fresh brain [15:14] didrocks: take your time, the underlying issue has been there for years already ;) [15:16] yeah ;) [15:20] I worked around it for Ubuntu GNOME and forgot about it until I saw the new bug [15:22] seb128, what did you exactly do with Valgrind to work around the mtp crash bugs. [15:23] ? [15:33] seb128, which binary did you replace by a Valgrind wrapper and how did you call Valgrind for that? Can you send me your wrapper script? [15:41] tkamppeter, well maybe I don't know how to trigger the bug, but what I did was basically [15:41] - sudo mv /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-mtp /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-mtp.bin [15:42] - sudo editor /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-mtp [15:42] with that content [15:42] #!/bin/sh [15:42] export G_SLICE=always-malloc G_DEBUG=gc-friendly [15:42] valgrind -v --tool=memcheck --leak-check=no --log-file=/tmp/gvfs.%p /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-mtp.bin $@ [15:42] - sudo chmod +x /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-mtp [15:42] then restarted the session [15:42] and it logs files in /tmp/gvfs. [15:43] if you get an error you should have an invalid read/write [15:43] better if you have a dbg of gvfs [15:43] tkamppeter, what do you do to trigger the issue? [15:47] seb128, first thanks for the hint, applied the commands. Before restarting my session I will answer your question. [15:47] tkamppeter, in fact you don't need to restart the session I think [15:48] if gvfsd-mtp hit the bug it will close and restart a new instance [15:48] try and see if you get a log in /tmp [15:49] seb128, gvfsd-mtp crashes practically always when I disconnect the phone, and this happened often to me, charging the phone's battery with my laptop. [15:51] seb128, Now I also want to transfer music files and here I always get errors that I cannot write on the device, with both GNOME File Manager and Rhythmbox. [15:52] Not yet restarted the session and still cannot write to my device. [15:52] Will restart the session now. [16:02] seb128, No gvfs-mtp process and also no appropriate log file in /tmp [16:04] seb128, Sorry, valgrind was not installed, one moment please. [16:08] seb128, after installing valgrind, replugging the device and starting rhythmbox the device appears again. [16:10] seb128, and when I copy a music file to it I do not get an error message any more that I cannot write to the device, but the music file does not appear on the device. === Guest15505 is now known as fredp === fredp is now known as Guest57731 [16:13] seb128, here is the log file: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25760200/ [16:15] seb128, will try to restart again. [16:21] seb128, restarted the machine, unlocked the screen of the device and on the device I tried once "MTP" and once"Media device USB 3.0" and in both cases I get "Could not transfer track, could not open resource for writing". [16:23] seb128, new log file: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25760249/ [16:27] seb128, and another: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25760262/ [16:48] Laney, cheers [16:49] cheers to you [16:50] I looked a bit for how to fix that no session selected issue [16:50] would be annoying [16:59] yeah [17:01] tkamppeter, you have errors in there but no dbg, can you install libglib2.0-0-dbgsym and maybe do a DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip build from gvfs and copy that non stripped binary as gvfsd-mtp.bin? [17:01] ==5038== by 0x53B3F3D: ??? (in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgio-2.0.so.0.5400.1) [17:01] ==5038== by 0x539193F: g_content_type_guess (in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgio-2.0.so.0.5400.1) [17:01] ==5038== by 0x10E3B4: ??? (in /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-mtp.bin) [17:03] night! [17:03] g’night Laney [17:05] seb128, I've prepared source packages at https://people.canonical.com/~osomon/bug1718446/, can you upload them for me? I'll prepare the SRU paperwork after dinner [17:08] seb128, how do I install libglib2.0-0-dbgsym, "sudo apt-get install libglib2.0-0-dbgsym" does not work. [17:11] tkamppeter: have you seen https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debug%20Symbol%20Packages ? [17:12] jbicha, thanks [17:22] night all [17:37] seb128, jbicha: Everything installed as you asked for. restarting. [17:44] seb128, jbicha, http://paste.ubuntu.com/25760647/ [17:45] seb128, jbicha: same error, new log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25760647/ [17:53] seb128, jbicha: Also this crash happened during my tests: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/valgrind/+bug/1724323 [17:53] Ubuntu bug 1724323 in valgrind (Ubuntu) "memcheck-amd64-linux crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] [18:04] didrocks, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1723619 is not my issue. I tried the new kernel with the revert and it took me again 3 reboots to have GDM starting up. [18:04] Ubuntu bug 1723619 in linux (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Desktop ISO fails to boot with nouveau on a displayport" [Undecided,Confirmed] [18:04] uname -r [18:04] 4.14.0-rc5-lp1723619+revert [18:45] tkamppeter_, thanks for the new log, that has debug infos indeed [18:51] seb128, yw, hope that it brings us closer to the cause of the problem. This also an important feature. [18:53] seb128, please subscribe me to the bug report in which you will handle this so that I can test the fix to verify the SRU. [19:03] tkamppeter_, sure, did you report the gvfs segfault to launchpad/using apport? [19:05] No, the segfault which I reported was on valgrind (or somethin underlying). [19:05] seb128, bug 1724323 [19:05] Error: Could not gather data from Launchpad for bug #1724323 (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1724323). The error has been logged [19:06] tkamppeter_ it might be useful to report the gvfs one if you have a report in /var/crash [19:06] hi all, what is the canonical way to install the nvidia drivers in 17.10? I'm writing some kind of tutorial for end users, so I was going to suggest the "additional drivers" thing but I can't seem to find it? [19:06] seb128, Services asked for by UDEV do not get triggered [19:06] seb128, sorry, [Bug 1724323] [NEW] memcheck-amd64-linux crashed with SIGSEGV [19:06] Error: Could not gather data from Launchpad for bug #1724323 (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1724323). The error has been logged [19:08] (that's to workaround a nouveau bug in 17.10) [19:08] seb128, today I did not a crash report of gvfs-mtp but otherwise I got one nearly every day: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/1706097 and duplicates. [19:08] Ubuntu bug 1706097 in gvfs (Ubuntu) "gvfsd-mtp crashed with SIGSEGV" [Critical,Confirmed] [19:09] tkamppeter_, thanks [19:09] tkamppeter_, do you know what steps you take to trigger the segfault? does it happen just when you plug your phone? or unlock it? [19:09] seb128, but for these I did not try to copy anything to my phone. AFAIK they were triggered by connecting/disconnecting the phone for charging its battery. === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [19:11] seb128, the report happened delayed, usually after next boot, so I cannot really know whether the trigger was connect, disconnect, or unlock. [19:11] ok [19:12] you might be able to tell from the time recorded in the crash [19:26] Tribaal, it's in software-properties, is bug #1710377 what is confusing you? [19:26] bug 1710377 in software-properties (Ubuntu) ""Additional Drivers" desktop shortcut missing in Ubuntu 17.10" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1710377 [19:26] jbicha, ^ maybe some data point [19:27] seb128: huh! Indeed I guess I was confused by this. I found "ubuntu-drivers" which nicely allowed me to have a CLI equivalent though. === Guest57731 is now known as fredp === fredp is now known as Guest19232 [20:51] jbicha: just saw someone in #ubuntu+1 commenting on gnome-terminal - seems f11 on terminal - repeatedly - leads to terminal shrinkage, https://i.imgur.com/oNZ4yi5.png < this was quite a bit of f11 on my part in a vm, just thought I'd pass that along === pietroalbini_ is now known as pietroalbini [21:13] I know there's a duplicate about this [21:13] we know that automatic timezone doesn't work in artful right? [21:13] I vaguely remember having a conversation about it already [21:13] probably at the rally [21:26] Beret: LP: #1720829 is the only one I'm aware of, assuming you haven't turned off Settings>Privacy>Location Services [21:26] Launchpad bug 1720829 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Calendar shows wrong day (Sun. Oct. 2nd instead of Mon Oct. 2nd)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1720829 [21:31] Beret: "I vaguely remember" makes it sound like one awesome rally. [21:31] hahaha [21:32] I've probably had 300 meetings over the last few weeks - they tend to all run together [21:32] I forgot what was only in my head versus what was discussed [21:32] but yeah, it wasn't bad :) [21:33] So, what's the issue with the automatic timezone? I recall having the correct timezone picked during installation. [21:34] robert_ancell: hi [21:34] jbicha: hello [21:35] thoughts on LP: #1707352 ? [21:35] Launchpad bug 1707352 in sane-backends (Ubuntu) "the change from libsane to libsane1 broke many (all?) 3rd party plug-ins for sane" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1707352 [21:54] jbicha: I think we should roll back to the older libsane to not break things. [21:55] so 1.0.25+git20150528-1ubuntu4 instead? [21:55] it's rather late for that kind of change… [21:56] (sorry I didn't think to specifically ping you about this issue sooner) [21:57] sane is a pain in that they don't do releases. [21:57] Yeah, but I guess it has to work with third party drivers since they are commonly used. [21:58] are you sure they don't? http://www.sane-project.org/ [21:58] what about just adding Provides: libsane ? [21:59] I had trouble getting the Debian maintainer to respond to my comments :( [22:00] jbicha: afaict the sane maintainers are effectively Debian. [22:00] If the provides works then do that I guess? You probably know more about this than me. [22:01] I've looked at updating the sane-backends package a number of times but it's too hard given upstreams lack of clarity. [22:03] they use Alioth but it looks like sane upstream is different than the Debian packager [22:03] https://anonscm.debian.org/git/sane/sane-backends.git/ [22:03] packaging: https://anonscm.debian.org/git/collab-maint/sane-backends.git [22:04] oh, ok [22:06] I don't have a scanner, PeterPall suggests that adding the Provides might work for any scanner drivers distributed as a .deb [22:07] I don't know how common that is [22:07] he suggested that at https://bugs.debian.org/870078 and no real response from the Debian maintainer :( [22:07] Debian bug 870078 in libsane1 "libsane1 breaks all 3rd party scanner drivers" [Important,Open] [22:09] jbicha: I think there are drivers delivered by debs [22:09] do you have any hardware like that? [22:09] * robert_ancell looks [22:10] I'm just wondering how we would verify that an SRU to add the Provides would help for real-world cases [22:12] jbicha: I'm looking at the brscan package (http://support.brother.com/g/b/downloadlist.aspx?c=us&lang=en&prod=mfcj5620dw_us_eu&os=128) [22:12] which is what my scanner uses. [22:12] Looks like it doesn't have a specific dependency on libsane [22:12] But the provides seems like a reasonable thing to do if the package has renamed but is otherwise identical? [22:15] sane-backends/zesty's libsane had libsane.so.1.0.25 and artful's libsane1 has libsane.so.1.0.27 so it seems like the Provides makes sense [22:15] I guess the Debian maintainer just wanted to fix the Lintian warning package-name-doesnt-match-sonames [22:15] :( [22:16] I'll prepare an SRU and hope the SRU Team doesn't mind the difficulty in verifying the fix [22:18] jbicha: you're probably right about the lintian warning :) [22:31] robert_ancell: uploaded to artful/unapproved and figured out a test case [22:32] thanks for the help :) [22:32] jbicha: nice work! [23:38] hello, running ubuntu GNOME 16.04, have some issue with ubuntu ArtfulAardvark: https://pastebin.com/W1tBbqpq . Thank you for your support.