[00:00] <oerheks> MInor723, if your focus is on Qbittorrent, the top panel has the menu
[00:01] <oerheks> you can switch this back, system settings > appearance , tab behaviour - show menus for a window ..
[00:02] <MInor723> oerheks, i have tried several times and it down not work. it works in the hexchat program
[00:06] <MInor723> Does ubuntu work like gentoo where i can add rss support? maybe its just missing
[00:07] <oerheks> i have no clue about rss + Qbit
[00:10] <eaglestar> hi i wanted to know I just installed 16.04 LTS x64 on an old computer but when I try to view available packages to install there are none, what do I have to do?  I alread ran sudo apt-get update
[00:15] <Bashing-om> eaglestar: Now what shows ' sudo apt full-upgrade ' ?
[00:40] <o_a> Hello, all. What happened to the Artful RC images? All I can find are the Beta 2 images
[00:40] <o_a> ...and a bunch of news talking about the release candidate
[00:41] <eaglestar> Bashing-om: i will try that it is for my friends computer
[00:42] <Bashing-om> eaglestar: K; make sure that ' sudo apt update ' preceeds full-upgrade command .
[00:43] <eaglestar> is there a way to install a ubuntu on a linux mint machine and keep the contents of the home folder?
[00:44] <eaglestar> i currently run linux mint on an old laptop but it overheats which is a common problem with this laptop from what I hear... I want to install ubuntu specifically lubuntu
[00:49] <neyder> good night!!
[00:50] <neyder> I have doubts about using .vmdk cloud image, is this place to ask?
[01:17] <sourceslayer> Hey
[01:20] <sourceslayer> I have a piano synthesizer that has a couple of MIDI outputs, I've seen a few MIDI-USB devices but I don't know which ones have drivers for Ubuntu and which are best to use
[01:20] <sourceslayer> How would I go about capturing MIDI output from a device to my computer
[01:20] <sourceslayer> I don't know much about the topic
[01:22] <oerheks> sourceslayer, if you don't find an answer here, maybe reask in #ubuntustudio or post on askubuntu?
[01:23] <sourceslayer> Ah, okay, I guess I should do that starting with the former
[01:23] <sourceslayer> Thank you
[01:23] <oerheks> dunno if there is a list of devices
[01:23] <oerheks> maybe it works ootb ..
[01:23] <sourceslayer> How likely do you think it would be for something to work out of the box where I can read the input using SDL?
[01:24] <sourceslayer> Eh, I guess, I just wanna be sure before I buy anything
[01:24] <oerheks> it is midi, not that advanced over usb
[01:24] <oerheks> *compared to
[01:27] <sourceslayer> Eh, I'm still rather new to it though
[01:28] <oerheks> #ubuntustudio is my best bet
[01:29] <sourceslayer> Already asked
[01:29] <sourceslayer> Now, I just wait
[01:29] <sourceslayer> Thanks mate
[01:35] <pijama_boy> My spotify desktop client doesn't show its menu bar (even when I change "appeareance/behaviour" to always display menus in windows), is this happening to anybody else?
[01:40] <pijama_boy> *** solved *** there's not really a meu bar, you change settings by clicking on own username
[01:40] <StickyNipples> Oh they removed the menu bar? That's dumb.
[01:41] <StickyNipples> I don't like that they make their apps all concentric but don't adhere to the native UI in any way.
[01:49] <jamie_1> hey, i need some help. the hdd slot on my laptop died so i have attached an external hdd and been booting from it, right now my laptop is telling me no bootable media. i pluged in my live boot ubuntu and im on that now, any ideas how to fix it?
[01:50] <jamie_1> is there a way to repair the boot sector?
[01:50] <Elminster> Hello folks -- I have a question regarding the setting up of an Ubuntu Webserver. When I set up the machine on my local router, it has the address 192.168.1.14. It is designated as eno1, and can assign it to be static quite easily in /etc/network/interfaces file. So now I have a LOCAL static ip accessible @ 192.168.1.14. But this does not make it so for the internet. So then how can I make my "external" ip static? Or how can I access my
[01:50] <Elminster> webserver machine from outside my LAN? Is it the ISP that provides such service for extra $ ?
[01:51] <Elminster> jamie_1: same hd, but different connector?
[01:52] <jamie_1> Elminster: no, a whole different external hdd
[01:52] <Elminster> jamie_1: have you tested it on another machine that it has a working os?
[01:53] <jamie_1> Elminster: yes
[01:53] <Elminster> check boot priorities
[01:53] <jamie_1> Elminster: already past that
[01:54] <jamie_1> i know i can reinstall and it will work fine but i would rather fix it and not loose my setup
[01:55] <Elminster> Yep, sorry I can't help
[02:06] <jamie_1> it shows when i mount the drive to /mnt/ubuntu and then cd to ./boot and grub is there as it should be but when i try to reinstall grub it tells me there is no bios boot partition
[02:06] <jamie_1> when i can go in and physially see it
[02:11] <StickyNipples> I'm very curious about the answer to this.
[02:11] <Frigid_Cryotank> Somewhere between Ubuntu 14.04 and 16.04, /usr/bin/devhelp stopped allowing selection of a "current" book versus "all books". I'm on 16.04 now.. downloaded the latest sources for devhelp.. and the autogen.sh script malfunctions because m4(1) is out of date.  Have I just jumped down the rabbit hole of cascading updates?
[02:20] <texla> How do I move files from Mint 18.2 to ubuntu 16.04
[02:30] <socomm> How would one go about disabling the ubuntu 'upgrade available' motd?
[02:32] <ovidnis> i'm having trouble adding facebook as an online account
[02:32] <arooni> question; i tried putting this in my crontab but it doesnt seem to run automatically ; it does run fine on the command line /usr/bin/xbacklight -set 30
[02:34] <ovidnis> https://pastebin.com/TxcWy4ET
[03:13] <cfhowlett> !ping
[04:48] <macksfield> am I able to update just the gnome terminal? I'm on 16.04 for hardware issues, but the 17.04 terminal window was great
[04:50] <cfhowlett> macksfield, you are on an LTS release which 17.04 will NOT be.  you can use the EOLupgrade process once it is released
[04:50] <cfhowlett> !eolupgrade | macksfield
[04:51] <macksfield> @cfhowlett I'm not looking to upgrade to 17.04, just the terminal shell to the fancy one that exists on 17.04
[04:52] <macksfield> i believe it's jsut the gnome terminal shell
[04:53] <cfhowlett> get the package name and sudo apt install <packagename>
[04:54] <macksfield> I'm new but not that clueless XD
[04:55] <macksfield> I believe the version is gnome-terminal-3.24.2? Can't seem to find info on the packages actually contained in ubuntu 17.04
[04:55] <Scienide> when does 17.10 release?
[04:55] <cfhowlett> enabled backports in your software sources, refresh your software library and search again
[04:56] <cfhowlett> Oct 19 Scienide
[04:56] <Scienide> cfhowlett: ahh okay, i have it and fedora 27 confused then i think, i was thinking it released today
[04:57] <Scienide> cfhowlett: does the iso usually release at midnight or during the day of the 19th?
[04:57] <cfhowlett> midnight in what part of the world?  :)
[04:57] <Scienide> EST
[04:58] <Scienide> it's 1am here right now, so that's what? 6am UTC
[04:58] <cfhowlett> Scienide, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/ReleaseSchedule
[04:59] <Scienide> cool
[04:59] <macksfield> found what I was looking for: https://ubuntu.pkgs.org/17.04/ubuntu-main-amd64/gnome-terminal_3.20.2-1ubuntu8_amd64.deb.html
[04:59] <Scienide> im getting sick of using OpenSuse atm to just get use of Gnome 3.26 easily. haha
[05:00] <cfhowlett> Scienide, I've been on xubuntu since gnome was dropped.  MIGHT be tempted to return to plain vanilla ubuntu now that gnome has returned/refreshed
[05:12] <elky> cfhowlett: you really gotta just say what you wanna say instead of fumbling with factoids.
[05:13] <cfhowlett> I haven't touched a single factoid today.  What do you mean?
[05:13] <cfhowlett> eh, right.
[05:13] <cfhowlett> nvm
[05:27] <pabed> guys , I need to install hp lazerjet 1006 on ubuntu 16.04 , in system setting / hardware /printer it added automatically but I cannot print and that odd thing is that in it qeue it said print completed
[06:05] <pabed> my problem solved https://askubuntu.com/questions/800289/hp-printer-install-fail
[06:14] <cr1t1cal> what happens if I get ffmpeg/avconv not found in PATH variable?
[06:14] <cr1t1cal> or something?
[06:21] <EriC^^> cr1t1cal: what's giving you that error?
[06:21] <cr1t1cal> EriC^^: my discord bot
[06:22] <cr1t1cal> EriC^^: it tries to run a player using ffmpeg
[06:23] <EriC^^> cr1t1cal: try "which ffmpeg avconv"
[06:23] <cr1t1cal> EriC^^: yeah shows me nothing
[06:23] <cr1t1cal> just returns 0
[06:24] <ironhoof> During a power outage I had a hard-drive rescan. It lost package manager install list. So I did the --reinstall option on everything now I got 2 init, 2 upstarts is there a way to fix this?
[06:25] <kostkon> cr1t1cal,  sudo apt-get install ffmpeg?
[06:25] <ironhoof> 2 dbus-deamons too
[06:25] <cr1t1cal> kostkon: lol. say no package
[06:25] <cr1t1cal> kostkon: what else can I do?
[06:25] <cr1t1cal> kostkon: no package meaning no package found btw
[06:26] <kostkon> cr1t1cal, what release are you on
[06:26] <cr1t1cal> kostkon: 16.04 lts
[06:27] <kostkon> cr1t1cal,    cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:28] <cr1t1cal> kostkon: one sec
[06:28] <cr1t1cal> http://termbin.com/03bd
[06:29] <cr1t1cal> ^ i added the xenial ones <- kostkon
[06:29] <kostkon> cr1t1cal, so you are actually on 12.04
[06:30] <kostkon> cr1t1cal, sorrt 14.04 which is still supported ok
[06:30] <cr1t1cal> kostkon: pardon?
[06:30] <cr1t1cal> kostkon: sort?
[06:31] <kostkon> cr1t1cal, sorry*
[06:31] <cr1t1cal> oh right soz
[06:31] <cr1t1cal> but why can't i ge tit?
[06:31] <cr1t1cal> LOL
[06:31] <cr1t1cal> get it *
[06:31] <cr1t1cal> pretty sure ffmpeg is a package in xenial MAIN
[06:34] <kostkon> cr1t1cal, there's no ffmpeg in the 14.04 repos. Looks like avconv is in libav-tools  so you could try  sudo apt-get install libav-tools
[06:35] <kostkon> cr1t1cal, i doubt the xenial lines you've added will ever work
[06:37] <alkisg> cr1t1cal: they may even break your system...
[06:37] <alkisg> Remove the xenial lines
[06:37] <alkisg> If you want xenial, do a proper do-release-upgrade
[06:37] <cr1t1cal> alkisg: nah
[06:38] <alkisg> OK, it's your installation...
[06:38] <cr1t1cal> alkisg: its a vm on a server for a shitty discord bot
[06:38] <cr1t1cal> alkisg: i wont be installing much
[06:38] <alkisg> Ah, if it's ok to break, go ahead and break it
[06:38] <alkisg> Even just apt upgade will break it
[06:38] <cr1t1cal> alkisg: okay fine
[06:55] <cr1t1cal> kostkon: btw
[06:55] <cr1t1cal> kostkon: if there is no ffmpeg
[06:55] <cr1t1cal> kostkon: what do i do?
[06:57] <cr1t1cal> i am still getting the ffmpeg and avconv not found error
[07:02] <Ben64>  you'd need to install libav-tools
[07:27] <kryptonian> "This method regards starting your website from a remote location. Since you will be entering passwords, you shouldn't use an unsecured connection. Either set up a ssl server"   Is this project beyond me? How reasonable is it to setup OpenSSL?
[07:27] <kryptonian> I just wanted to play around with MediaWiki
[07:34] <hateball> kryptonian: either use a selfsigned cert or use letsencrypt, it's not super hard but requires some reading :)
[07:35] <kryptonian> reading is managable, paying fees not so much. So I will look into selfsigned cert & letsencrypt
[07:43] <kryptonian> letsencrypt is actually very cool, just read their about us page
[08:20] <egonsen> when will there be a wpa2 patch for ubuntu?
[08:22] <Ben64> yesterday
[08:23] <egonsen> how can i check if it is already installed? "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" tells me that there's nothing to upgrade
[08:24] <Ben64> what version of ubuntu are you on
[08:24] <egonsen> 17.04 64 bit
[08:26] <Ben64> apt-cache policy wpasupplicant
[08:26] <Ben64> if it says 2.4-0ubuntu9.1 is installed, you're good
[08:28] <egonsen> it does. thanks!
[08:50] <fly_> Yo, what is the thing to clear up when dpkg dies halfway through an install because of missing dependencies then apt-get doesn't work
[08:50] <fly_> I forget how to do this
[08:51] <oerheks> fly_, in your error you would read something about apt install -f, no?
[08:51] <EriC^^> fly_: sudo apt-get -f install
[08:52] <fly_> it sounds right but I'm still failing :S
[08:53] <oerheks> fly_, paste the full output, command and output, on paste.ubuntu.com please
[08:54] <fly_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25758076/
[08:54] <fly_> (Trying various things, it fails at this a bunch)
[08:54] <fly_> I might've shot my own foot off, no worries
[08:54]  * fly_ bleeds everywhere
[08:54] <EriC^^> fly_: did you run sudo apt-get -f install?
[08:55] <fly_> I did now
[08:56] <oerheks> libc-dev-bin is already the newest, and you have held back packages, fix that first: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[08:56] <Tazmania> Hello, can any of you please direct me to the right channel in the chat?  I have some questions about the Ubuntu Core 16 that is running on my Dell Atom based platform.  The PC came pre-installed with Ubuntu Core 16.
[08:57] <fly_> oerheks: that seems to be getting somewhere, thanks
[08:57] <oerheks> Tazmania, join #snappy for Snappy and Ubuntu Core
[08:58] <Tazmania> oerheks: thank you very much
[09:17] <demophobia> I'm having trouble getting video to play on a website. Specifically, http://southpark.cc.com/full-episodes/s21e04-franchise-prequel#source=6154fc40-b7a3-4387-94cc-fc42fc47376e:fb76a7de-1c31-4186-abf9-2be2e3af4312&position=4&sort=!airdate ... Any ideas what I should do or check?
[09:18] <oerheks> demophobia, on what browser?
[09:18] <oerheks> chrome works fine ( be right back in 21 minuts)
[09:19] <demophobia> Mozilla Firefox 55.0.2
[09:19] <oerheks> upgrade please, firefox is @ 56 now
[09:21] <demophobia> D:
[09:21] <oerheks> so you also have an old flash, though this should play in html5 too
[09:21] <demophobia> spend three weeks in a hospital and the whole world has changed :D lol thanks for the notice; i'll update now
[09:21] <demophobia> (how do you know my flash is old? is it packaged with firefox versions?)
[09:21] <oerheks> welcome back on behalf of the ubuntu community
[09:22] <oerheks> ehm, i noticed a flash update recently, that is why
[09:23]  * demophobia does a feeble dance.
[09:25] <CVirus> Why is do-release-upgrade -d trying to upgrade me to 17.10 if it is not released yet?
[09:27] <EriC^^> CVirus: because of the "-d"
[09:27] <demophobia> ... Wasn't there ##ubuntu-offtopic? Was it closed?
[09:27] <demophobia> nvm
[09:27] <CVirus> my bad .. should have rtfm'ed .. sorry
[09:29] <oerheks> .. 2 more days
[09:42] <demophobia> While installing updates just now, a window titled 'Debconf' flashed on/off my screen a few times ... Any thoughts on that?
[09:42] <demophobia> Seems odd.
[10:06] <alexas> so is the latest patched ubuntu vulnerable to key reinstallation attack? or it is also very much depend on the router patching?
[10:07] <ducasse> alexas: the ubuntu patch was released yesterday
[10:11] <alexas> ducasse: so i have it then, thanks
[10:32] <mircx1> hello i have a question how i install AntiSpamMeta
[10:34] <Scoop7> sudo chown -R $(whoami) ~/.npm vs sudo chown -R $USER ~/.npm   <--- It's the same, right ?
[10:36] <ezra-s> Scoop7: should be
[10:36] <ezra-s> Scoop7: doesn't hurt to try changing the actual command with an "echo"
[10:38] <mircx1> ?someone
[10:38] <EriC^^> mircx1: try /join #freenode
[10:40] <ducasse> !alis | mircx1
[10:41] <mircx1> i need to know how install AntiSpamMeta not inside to freenode channel
[10:41] <EriC^^> mircx1: they might know in #freenode
[10:41] <EriC^^> you're in #ubuntu technical support channel
[10:52] <PCatinean> Is there a way I can have my phone plugged in but not charge it via USB?
[11:01] <ezra-s> PCatinean: that's usually controlled by the phone software
[11:04] <brym> can anyone direct me to the best place for networking support please?
[11:04] <bazhang> ##networking
[11:05] <brym> muchly bazhang
[11:05] <bazhang> brym, for future, /msg alis list term
[11:06] <brym> bazhang: noted. thank you
[11:06] <bazhang> welcome
[11:09] <PCatinean> ezra-s, you think it's possible?
[11:11] <ezra-s> PCatinean: I recall that happening as a matter of fact, a while ago when I wasted some of my time in xda-developers installing custom ROM
[11:14] <PCatinean> ezra-s, yeah it would need to be rooted
[11:15] <PCatinean> I was thinking it might be simpler to disable the charge port from the usb on my laptop
[11:16] <ezra-s> PCatinean: I'm not saying custom ROM is the only way, perhaps some manufacturers have that option in their software, I don't know, I do know or at least think I know it can't be controlled through the host machine where you plug with usb
[11:16] <PCatinean> oh I see
[11:17] <MacroMan> pulseaudio crashes when I login: 'pulseaudio crashed with SIGABRT in pa_sink_input_finish_move()'
[11:17] <PCatinean> searched a bit for the Oxygen OS for my Oneplus 3t but nothing so far
[11:17] <MacroMan> I'm don't know where to start with fixing this
[11:17] <ezra-s> PCatinean: perhaps their forums is the best place for asking about this
[11:17] <MacroMan> My audio has been working fine since I installed Ubuntu on this machine 11 months ago
[11:17] <PCatinean> ezra-s, indeed it is, thanks! :D
[11:19] <ezra-s> MacroMan: if it seems like a bug, you should file one with most of the information you can get about your system and why it fails, if you can easily reproduce it just by starting pulseaudio manually perhaps you can get a trace log and attach it to the bug, or find if there is a similar issue already reported
[11:20] <hateball> PCatinean: you can disable the +5V in type A-B cables, but not sure how you'd do that with USB-C that the OP3T uses. And iirc you need power for at least some devices even to initiate data transfers
[11:20] <PCatinean> hateball, ah damn then :)))
[11:20] <hateball> PCatinean: but like ezra-s said, xda or OP forums are probably your best bet
[11:22] <MacroMan> ezra-s: Debugging it myself is a bit beyond my ability. I've sent the error report that automatically generates, but most of the info is garbage to me.
[11:24] <MacroMan> I've removed the indicator-sound-switcher program encase that's causing it and I'll restart.
[11:25] <kostkon> MacroMan, delete the folder ~/.config/pulse and then logout
[11:27] <joaopaulosr> Hey guys, can anybody help me to fix my cedilla comp key? I'm using a us intl keyboard layout and whey I press ' plus c i get ć
[11:27] <joaopaulosr> Already tried a lot of stuff from ubuntu foruns but still got nothing
[11:28] <joaopaulosr> This is my setxkbmap -query result:
[11:28] <joaopaulosr> rules: evdev, model: pc101, layout: us, variant: alt-intl
[11:48] <xcom169> Do you think this ' HP 22" FullHD LED  HP 2211x ' worth 60 EUR ( 6 years old )
[11:48] <C00kie> Hi there :-)
[11:50] <kostkon> C00kie, hi
[11:50] <C00kie> How can i configure my server to ignore the powerbutton shutdown? :-) Ask google gives me only laptop an workstation advices.
[11:50] <C00kie> Ubuntu Server 16.04.3 LTS
[11:53] <foca_> Hey guys. I've disabled NetworkManager on my system and now it cannot open system settings. Anyone could help me here ?
[11:53] <Tin_man> C00kie, might try this link, the was not for server but I think the first answer might apply.
[11:53] <Tin_man> https://askubuntu.com/questions/362914/how-to-prevent-the-power-button-to-shutdown-directly-the-system
[11:58] <C00kie> Tin_man: Thx the first is for gnome... but the second answer with editing /etc/systemd/logind.conf and reboot did the trick :-)
[11:59] <Tin_man> well good, i was looking at my /etc/systemd/logind.conf mine server is 14.04, and it has the #HandlePowerKey=poweroff option, i'm going to try and see if it works..
[11:59] <Tin_man> my*
[12:02] <Callek> so I'm on 16.0.4 LTS , I also have docker installer with bridged networking, however it seems that my network connection completely dies periodically, with wifi.
[12:03] <Callek> its as if it stops establishing connections, and stops existing connections, with time outs. The wifi icon in my dock never goes down, clicking the network name (to disconnect/reconnect) always works
[12:03] <Callek> nothing in syslog to indicate that it dropped. (except when I reconnect I can see those entries)
[12:03] <Callek> anyone ever experience this, or have suggestions
[12:04] <Callek> local provider+router is Verizon Fios, and I'm on a Lenovo "X1 Carbon" (gen 3) which uses an Intel card for wifi
[12:04] <akik> Callek: make sure you don't manage iptables with anything else than what docker creates for itself
[12:05] <Callek> in my own case, the network drop is systemwide, I only mentioned docker because I'm concerned its interferring (but not sure)
[12:06] <baxx> does java need PPA on 16? Or is the one in the repo alright
[12:06] <akik> Callek: did you check journalctl -xe when this problem happens?
[12:06] <akik> Callek: or journalctl -f to see it live
[12:07] <Callek> I've done `tail /var/log/syslog` have not looked in journalctl
[12:09] <Callek> but nothing has stood out...
[12:10] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:15] <Anticom> Hi all. I'm looking for a good solution to sync my google drive to my machine
[12:15] <Anticom> I'm on 16.04
[12:16] <Anticom> I've seen that there's multiple solutions available and since I've never any of those before i need some help making a decision
[12:21] <Mrokii> Hi. This is most probably not directly Ubuntu-related... I have installed the "ScreenSaver" app and tried to set a slideshow of images. However, there's always one one image chosen, which never changes (despite effects being shown that seem to suggest a change from one picture to another). Any ideas what the problem could be?
[12:21] <Mrokii> I've seen this effect on another system as well and wanted to test it out on mine.
[12:25] <Tin_man> Anticom,  if you install gnome-control-center i believe you can set up google drive inside of the center.
[12:26] <Anticom> Tin_man: I have my ubuntu linked to my google account
[12:26] <Anticom> but that doesn't sync anything afaik
[12:26] <Anticom> Or does it?
[12:26] <Tin_man> i'm looking now..
[12:28] <SchrodingersScat> Mrokii: odd
[12:28] <SchrodingersScat> Mrokii: everything in the advanced tab checks out?
[12:28] <Tin_man> under settings go to online accounts, and give ubuntu authorization to access your account.
[12:29] <Anticom> Tin_man: did that already
[12:29] <Mrokii> SchrodingersScat: Yep, looks good to me.
[12:30] <Mrokii> SchrodingersScat: The only relevant setting I see on "advanced" is the one to set a path (which is set correctly).
[12:31] <SchrodingersScat> Mrokii: hmm, which screensaver program might this be? I assumed xscreensaver, which may be making a you know what out of me
[12:31] <Tin_man> still reading..
[12:35] <Mrokii> SchrodingersScat: Yeah, the GUI uses xscreensaver.
[12:36] <maziar> I had a ubuntu with some storage configuration, after reinstall OS, I wnated to add this hard drive but it backed with old configuration ! I want to delete every thin on this hard  "/dev/sdc1" and add it as fresh hard, what should I do? would you please kindly give a tutorial
[12:37] <ioria> Mrokii, xscreensaver-gl and xscreensaver-gl-extra are installed ?
[12:39] <SchrodingersScat> Mrokii: ^ because GLSlideshow has options, and works for me.
[12:39] <foca_> System settings stopped to work after I've disabled NetworkManager. What's happening ?
[12:40] <Tin_man> Anticom, keeps sending me to Web authentication for Google, then a ubuntu wiki page, don't know how to get past this, if i find out I'll let you know.
[12:41] <Mrokii> ioria: They are.
[12:42] <ioria> Mrokii, and  xscreensaver-data-extra ?
[12:42] <Mrokii> SchrodingersScat: All the options seem to be accepted (they're written to the config-files). But the image never changes. I know that the folder is correct because whenever I start a demo, one image is chosen randomly, but only once and then never changes until I restart the demo.
[12:42] <Mrokii> ioria: Yep.
[12:43] <ioria> Mrokii, idk, maybe you need to remove gnome-screensaver
[12:43] <dbugger> hello everyone
[12:44] <dbugger> I have a quite weird bug... my laptop cannot seem to detect a monitor I have, if I use the connector of the "Display Port". Why could this be??
[12:44] <Anticom> Does anyone else have any suggestions what sync client to use for google drive?
[12:47] <hateball> dbugger: what chipset/driver is this?
[12:48] <dbugger> hateball, i think Intel... can you remind me the command to tell you exactly which one?
[12:49] <dbugger> i fear I dont know it myself
[12:50] <hateball> dbugger: lspci |grep VGA
[12:50] <hateball> dbugger: you can run "xrandr" to show available outputs, DP should be there if things are working correctly
[12:52] <dbugger> hateball, This is the output of my xrand: https://www.hastebin.com/acapeqepex.css
[12:52] <dbugger> The first command gives me this output: "00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Device 591b (rev 04)"
[12:53] <Tin_man> Anticom, use the second option here at this link I used to use it, but had to find it.. >>https://askubuntu.com/questions/838956/ubuntu-16-04-set-up-with-google-online-account-but-no-drive-folder-in-nautilus
[12:53] <hateball> dbugger: and no mention of nvidia?
[12:53] <dbugger> hateball, i pasted all that I had...
[12:54] <hateball> dbugger: hmmm. and is the DP cable connected now that you ran xrandr?
[12:54] <fly_> gnome-terminal insists on hiding my cursor and then whenever it does a full redraw it will re-display the cursor, which is annoying. how do I get it to stop either one, maybe just display the cursor all the time.
[12:55] <dbugger> hateball, yes
[12:55] <Anticom> Tin_man: don't get me wrong but i'm asking for first-hand recommendations
[12:55] <donofrio> need advice I do not want to change my id_rsa.pub but I'm missing files I guess to I cannot "ssh localhost" ;(
[12:55] <Anticom> I know that there are multiple solutions but i'd like to hear the oppinion from s/o that's actually using a client and eventually has gone through trying a few
[12:55] <dbugger> I should maybe clarify. The port on my laptop is HDMI. I got it it connected to the displayport through a HDMI<->DisplayPort adapter
[12:56] <Anticom> hateball: are you using a gdrive sync client?
[12:56] <hateball> Anticom: I am not
[12:57] <hateball> dbugger: there's no hardware switch to enable external output? like Fn+SomeKey
[12:58] <Tin_man> Anticom, that option has been around for sometime now, and it works fine.. I believe it is the best option since google does not provide a option themselves
[12:58] <Anticom> Tin_man: So are you actually using it?
[12:59] <dbugger> hateball, nop...
[12:59] <dbugger> sorry, yes, there is. But it does nothing
[13:00] <Tin_man> not now, because i set up my own cloud, and run my own file server.. but I did use it and it worked just fine..
[13:00] <hateball> dbugger: Do you know if the output works properly with HDMI<->HDMI ?
[13:00] <hateball> dbugger: Just to rule out an adapter issue
[13:17] <LTCD> Hey, I want to change a file header to appear to be a jpg. What is the quickest way to do this on Ubuntu?
[13:17] <mircx1> @paste
[13:17] <mircx1> !paste
[13:17] <SkyLord12345> Hey! Try to google - hex editor for linux
[13:21] <sud0x3> LTCD: Why do you want to do this?
[13:22] <pankaj_> I have a vague knowledge about POSTFIX and System V. Can any body clear the concept and their differences.
[13:22] <LTCD> sud0x3 Am doing pen testing, trying to bypass a filter (it checks file extention but I believe it also tests header).
[13:24] <leftyfb> pankaj_: one is a Mail transport, the other is Unix operating system
[13:24] <pankaj_> leftyfb: I am so sorry. POSIX and System V
[13:25] <ducasse> pankaj_: try ##linux, this is not an ubuntu issue
[13:25] <leftyfb> pankaj_: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4582968/system-v-ipc-vs-posix-ipc  ... from google
[13:25] <sud0x3> well as you said change the header this is pretty basic stuff you said you were a pentester?
[13:26] <sud0x3> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_number_(programming)
[13:26] <LTCD> What file header do I use to make a file appear to be jpg?
[13:26] <LTCD> sud0x3 Never used a hex editor on windows is all, ignore my other question above.
[13:28] <sud0x3> a jpg file header, yeah your question honestly makes me think your up to no good if im honest.
[13:29] <donofrio> need advice I do not want to change my id_rsa.pub but I'm missing files I guess to I cannot "ssh localhost" ;(
[13:30] <donofrio> (wastold to "ask again" in this channel from #debain so that is why I'm asking again)
[13:30] <donofrio> was told I meant
[13:30] <sud0x3> donofrio: what did you do since the last time ssh was working
[13:31] <donofrio> first time I tried it as a server - as a client it's been great
[13:31] <sud0x3> so never then?
[13:31] <LTCD> sud0x3 It's fine I figured it out for myself, I have a habbit of looking into space.
[13:31] <donofrio> never on this host as server no
[13:32] <sud0x3> okay, what files were missing?
[13:33] <donofrio> it's in the apaste at the bottom
[13:33] <sud0x3> I dont see it
[13:34] <donofrio> oh
[13:34] <donofrio> #mybad
[13:35] <donofrio> https://apaste.info/rpKy
[13:36] <ducasse> donofrio: you need authorized_keys
[13:36] <leftyfb> donofrio: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[13:36] <donofrio> 17.04
[13:37] <leftyfb> donofrio: do you have your public key in ~/.ssh/ ?
[13:37] <leftyfb> either in authorized_keys or id_rsa.pub
[13:38] <dbugger> hateball, sorry, i got a call
[13:38] <ducasse> donofrio: just copy id_rsa.pub to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
[13:38] <donofrio> yes it exists and I'm using it on my servers that I connect to that is why I do not want to change it...
[13:39] <donofrio> ok I'll try that
[13:39] <donofrio> ducasse, I do not have an rsa.pub
[13:39] <leftyfb> donofrio: you said it exists
[13:39] <leftyfb> donofrio: what's in ~/.ssh/ ?
[13:39] <ducasse> donofrio: ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub
[13:40] <ducasse> donofrio: it's in the paste
[13:40] <donofrio> ducasse, oh ok looking
[13:40] <leftyfb> ducasse: ah, I see
[13:40] <leftyfb> id_rsa.pub should work
[13:44] <DomingoMontoya> Anyone else having wifi dropping out issues after last nights update to wpa_supplicant?
[13:44] <donofrio> did that but when I do "ssh localhost" it returns "Permission denied (publickey)."
[13:44] <leftyfb> DomingoMontoya: no
[13:44] <leftyfb> donofrio: I would look in /var/log/auth.log as you're trying to connect to see what the ssh server is complaining about
[13:47] <kostkon> DomingoMontoya, no here as well
[13:47] <donofrio> leftyfb, that auth.log doesn't exist - https://apaste.info/tYxw
[13:48] <ducasse> donofrio: 'chmod +r ~/.ssh/authorized_keys' - if that doesn't work, post the output of 'ls -ld ~/.ssh'
[13:48] <DomingoMontoya> okay. Thanks. I'm thinking my AP is actually just crapping out on me now. Seeing it on a non updated system now too.
[13:49] <donofrio> ducasse, Permission denied (publickey). donofrio@WSAL0131:~/.ssh$ ls -ld ~/.ssh returns drwx------ 0 donofrio donofrio 4096 Oct 17 09:40 /home/donofrio/.ssh
[13:50] <ducasse> donofrio: ok, try the chmod i gave you
[13:51] <donofrio> ducasse, I did before I did the ls (cause you said try chmod and if not work ls) so that is what I did
[13:51] <EriC^^> donofrio: do you have public key authentication enabled on the server?
[13:52] <leftyfb> it's a little disconcerting you don't have an auth.log
[13:52] <donofrio> EriC^^, dunno...
[13:53] <allure> hey guys.... cant install wine now. it says wine1.6 is required and is not going to be installed. Ubuntu 16.04.3 that I just installed on a new computer here at work
[13:53] <allure> what's up with that? :-)
[13:53] <EriC^^> donofrio: what does "cat /etc/ssh/sshd_config" give?
[13:53] <EriC^^> !paste | donofrio
[13:53] <Cooler_> how do i fix my broken ubuntu
[13:53] <Cooler_> ?
[13:53] <Cooler_> is there a repair option
[13:54] <leftyfb> Cooler_: depends on the problem. Please detail your issue
[13:54] <donofrio> EriC^^, http://paste.ubuntu.com/25759533/
[13:57] <EriC^^> donofrio: what does ssh -vvv localhost give?
[13:59] <leftyfb> EriC^^: he's posted it several times
[14:00] <allure> anyone here already had to do office365 integration with ubuntu?
[14:00] <Cooler_> my certs are broken
[14:01] <Cooler_> openssl fails, wget fails
[14:01] <Cooler_> hexchat fails
[14:01] <donofrio> EriC^^, https://apaste.info/UWou
[14:01] <Cooler_> chrome and firefox work fine cause they have their own certs
[14:02] <leftyfb> Cooler_: what did you do to break your certs?
[14:03] <leftyfb> allure: I use that with chrome just fine. Really nothing to do with ubuntu
[14:03] <leftyfb> allure: actually, I take that back. I use office online ... or whatever it's called
[14:04] <allure> that's the same, isnt it?
[14:04] <Cooler_> leftyfb: well a week ago everything was fine, then i shutdown my laptop, next day i opened it and hexchat stopped working
[14:04] <leftyfb> Cooler_: define "stopped working"
[14:04] <leftyfb> Cooler_: is your date set properly?
[14:04] <justin8766> when I add the module snd_usb_audio to the /etc/modules file and reboot, it doesn't get loaded? it does exist in /lib/modules/.../sound/usb/
[14:04] <Cooler_> leftyfb: https://hastebin.com/ladiqugosa.sql
[14:05] <leftyfb> allure: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/office-online/ndjpnladcallmjemlbaebfadecfhkepb?hl=en
[14:06] <donofrio> Cooler_, #remmina perhaps?
[14:06] <donofrio> opps
[14:06] <donofrio> #hexchat I meant
[14:06] <allure> leftyfb: oh, ok! this seems nice
[14:06] <leftyfb> donofrio: it's a bigger problem then just hexchat
[14:07] <donofrio> k
[14:07] <Cooler_> donofrio: what?
[14:07] <Cooler_> this isn't hexchat problem
[14:07] <Cooler_> openssl fails with the same "can't get local issuer cert" error
[14:08] <leftyfb> Cooler_: is your date set properly?
[14:08] <Cooler_> and wget https://www.google.com  says "can't verify certificate locally"
[14:08] <donofrio> Cooler_, ok sorry, awaiting help from EriC^^ tried to help ya
[14:08] <Cooler_> yup time is correct
[14:09] <leftyfb> Cooler_: and date?
[14:10] <kostkon> Cooler_, tried this already?:  sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get install ca-certificates ca-certificates-java --reinstall
[14:14] <donofrio> EriC^^, I'm still here if you have ideas
[14:15] <donofrio> need to get files transfered and ssh seemed like the right option
[14:15] <leftyfb> donofrio: you don't have /var/log/auth.log?
[14:15] <donofrio> I'll check again....
[14:16] <yotam> I installed python-language-server with pip and I can see the package in ~/.local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/pyls but I don't have it in my path, what is the correct way to do that? In fedora it added a file to ~/.local/bin/pyls but I want to know if there is a better and hopefully automated way to do this in Ubuntu
[14:16] <donofrio> leftyfb, nope - https://apaste.info/TozM
[14:17] <pavlos> donofrio: can you paste, ls -al .ssh/
[14:18] <oerheks> check the ssh keys and folders, folder 700 and public key 664 and private 600
[14:20] <donofrio> "pastebinit ls -al .ssh/" returned "Unable to read from: ls"
[14:21] <leftyfb> donofrio: pastebinit ls -al ~/.ssh/
[14:21] <donofrio> pastebinit ls -al ~/.ssh/ Unable to read from: ls
[14:21] <donofrio> going to use apaste one moment
[14:22] <leftyfb> donofrio: ls -al ~/.ssh/ |pastebinit
[14:22] <donofrio> https://apaste.info/W3GX
[14:22] <donofrio> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25759686/
[14:23] <leftyfb> I don't understand why you don't have an auth.log
[14:23] <leftyfb> donofrio: cat /etc/issue
[14:24] <donofrio> Ubuntu 17.04 \n \l
[14:26] <maddawg2> question... how come older kernels arent automatically removed from the /boot
[14:26] <maddawg2> it really should just keep only like 2 or 3 versions but instead i end up with tons that i have to remove manually
[14:26] <maddawg2> annoying
[14:27] <donofrio> maddawg2, try autoremove/autoclean options of apt-get
[14:27] <oerheks> maddawg2, that is why 17.04 is stored on 1 partition, no more full /boot errors, just 'full disk'
[14:28] <oerheks> there have been tons of discussions about this, ubuntu has no right to remove kernels by design?
[14:29] <pavlos> donofrio: can you change perms on authorized_keys to 600
[14:29] <leftyfb> I feel it should automatically remove kernels older than the current and previous kernel that were only installed from the official ubuntu repo's
[14:30] <mzKas> dumb question. if im using 17.10 beta2, when 17.10 gets out in 2 days, will it update normally to final version or i need to upgrade it somehow?
[14:30] <maddawg2> oerheks, i was not aware of that.. i have yet to upgrade to 17.04
[14:30] <maddawg2> i wont until it gets to an LTS release
[14:30] <oerheks> maddawg2, upgrade does not change partition layout, only fresh installs
[14:30] <maddawg2> oh yea i'll do a fresh install
[14:30] <maddawg2> i usually do it that way anyways
[14:30] <oerheks> i do both :-D
[14:30] <maddawg2> i've had shit luck upgrading
[14:31] <maddawg2> oops excuse my language
[14:31] <maddawg2> forgot what channel i was in
[14:33] <dax> ubottu: final | mzKas
[14:33] <mzKas> oh thanks
[14:34] <mzKas> didnt knew about the "full-upgrade" option
[14:35] <donofrio> pavlos, did that https://apaste.info/mKdo still cannot work ;(
[14:38] <pavlos> donofrio: authorized_keys should be a file, not a directory. Can you rename it to something else, cd ~; mv .ssh/authorized_keys .ssh/keys.bak
[14:40] <maddawg2> how come whenever i change my folder view to "Detailed view" or list it never keeps that setting
[14:41] <maddawg2> the next window i open is back in icon view
[14:41] <maddawg2> is there a way to make that the default view for all my windows
[14:42] <Oscillius> new to Ubuntu.  Q: what's the difference between an app packaged as a "snap" and one packaged as an "apt?"
[14:43] <donofrio> pavlos, "No Joy!" https://apaste.info/Hya8
[14:45] <pavlos> Oscillius: https://docs.snapcraft.io/snaps/intro
[14:46] <donofrio> pavlos, https://apaste.info/Hya8 ;(
[14:47] <pavlos> donofrio: cd ~; ssh -i .ssh/id_rsa localhost ... does it fail?
[14:47] <BeforeClick> how do you find ALL unmet dependencies? I seem to be runing in circles ...
[14:48] <donofrio> pavlos, yes it failed just like everytime so far this morning - "donofrio@WSAL0131:~/.ssh$  cd ~; ssh -i .ssh/id_rsa localhost" return "Permission denied (publickey)."
[14:49] <maddawg2> BeforeClick, try "sudo apt-get -f install
[14:49] <maddawg2> after you install the package and get an error about unmet dependencies
[14:49] <wook> "sudo apt-get -f install" seriously has saved my life many times
[14:49] <BeforeClick> hmm done that a number of times
[14:50] <maddawg2> you didnt add a package at the end did you?
[14:50] <maddawg2> just sudo apt-get -f install
[14:50] <maddawg2> no package
[14:50] <BeforeClick> no I didn't
[14:50] <BeforeClick> it keeps haning at some point tell me the file exists and when I look it's not there
[14:51] <BeforeClick> I tried a different version of the package already but to no avail
[14:51] <maddawg2> which package?
[14:52] <nacc> BeforeClick: what file? what version of ubuntu? use a pastebin
[14:52] <BeforeClick> hang on since I can't install patsbinit I need to catch the output manually
[14:53] <ducasse> BeforeClick: use 'command | nc termbin.com 9999' instead
[14:53] <BeforeClick> Oh I rattled the cage a little too much it now does somwehting new :), I'll update soonest
[14:54] <BeforeClick> that's the package that doesn't want to et installed "linux-libc-dev"
[14:56] <nacc> BeforeClick: use the nc commannd from ducasse and provide the exact command annd output
[14:56] <BeforeClick> ignore me I'll now do something drastic to the machine :)
[14:56] <BeforeClick> but thanks
[15:00] <BeforeClick> lxrun /uninstall /full
[15:00] <donofrio> I'm still hopeing this can work
[15:00] <BeforeClick> oh ww, sorry
[15:00] <Sbur3> Got a Vasco Digipass 905 ID card reader and Ubuntu 17.04.  I am trying to access an administration in Belgium, but am told that I need drivers for the access to be possible.  Anyone wanna help?  I looked at Vasco web site, but no mention of Linux-based help
[15:00] <pavlos> donofrio: cd .ssh; cat id_rsa.pub >> authorized_keys
[15:01] <pavlos> donofrio: and paste an ls -al .ssh/
[15:04] <lordcirth_work> Does ubottu have a !tell equivalent?  Sbur3 left before I could answer
[15:06] <oerheks> Sbur3 downlooad the .deb from vasco site : https://retail.vasco.com/install/how_to_install/905/installation_instructions_for_digipass_905.aspx#linux
[15:11] <Anticom> Hi all. Is there any way to add rar (and potentially even 7z) support for file-roller?
[15:11] <sYnfo> Hey, I'm trying to use aptdcon (to avoid issues with locking) on ubuntu 17.04 docker image, but I get the following error:
[15:11] <sYnfo> dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.FileNotFound: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory
[15:11] <sYnfo> What to do with it?
[15:12] <foca_> Hey guys. I've disabled NetworkManager on my system and now it cannot open system settings. Anyone could help me here ?
[15:13] <Scoop7> Ok I am confused, should I chown all my files/folder to user so that npm installs would not require sudo or is it normal for npm to be used with sudo ???
[15:14] <BeforeClick> foca_: how did you disable it
[15:18] <foca_> BeforeClick systemctl disable NetworkManager.service
[15:18] <donofrio> pavlos, second command output at http://paste.ubuntu.com/25759939/
[15:19] <Anticom> Scoop7: although it's offtopic (#npm !!) here's a quick solution: You can add an .npmrc in your ~ to point your global packages somewhere into your home dir, that way you won't need sudo anymore
[15:19] <Anticom> However packages won't be *global* anymore (on a multi-user system)
[15:19] <pavlos> donofrio: please change perms on authorized_keys to 600
[15:19] <donofrio> pavlos, k here is output so far - still not working https://apaste.info/KhD5 I'll rerun that chmod (ran it once already)
[15:20] <donofrio> that did it
[15:20] <donofrio> chmod 600 to the "file" called authorized_keys
[15:20] <donofrio> yah me!!!
[15:22] <pavlos> donofrio: ssh localhost works, right?
[15:22] <donofrio> yes sir
[15:22] <pavlos> donofrio: good deal!
[15:22] <donofrio> yep wsl ubuntu rockin I am ;)
[15:23] <BeforeClick> is that just me but pastebinit is not returning a valid URL
[15:24] <BeforeClick> with -b the only one working I found so far is slexy.org
[15:24] <pavlos> BeforeClick: ls | pastebinit
[15:24] <donofrio> BeforeClick, "just you" cause I used it and it works (but I also use apaste.info when I need to)
[15:24] <BeforeClick> pavlos read what I wrote
[15:24] <donofrio> BeforeClick, oh didn't catch -b till you said something
[15:25] <nicomachus> BeforeClick: what url is it returning?
[15:25] <nicomachus> mine is working fine.
[15:25] <BeforeClick> root@BTIS1000003883:/# ls / |pastebinit http://paste.ubuntu.com/ root@BTIS1000003883:/#
[15:25] <BeforeClick> hmm that doesn't look nice
[15:25] <nicomachus> why are you root
[15:26] <BeforeClick> https://slexy.org/view/s21Pchtgc6
[15:26] <BeforeClick> just to ensure there is nothing in between, I normally don't do that
[15:27] <BeforeClick> oh ignore it, I found it
[15:28] <nicomachus> what was it?
[15:28] <BeforeClick> this is command line box and it will appear http://paste.ubuntu.com/ is blocked by my firewall ...
[15:28] <nicomachus> lol
[15:28] <BeforeClick> slexy isn't :)
[15:28] <BeforeClick> ok let me fix that and thanks for bouncing it
[15:29] <sYnfo> So I figured out the issue is that D-Bus is not running, how can I start it on the server?
[15:30] <Wreckedzador> That isn't the only pastebin you can use, you know :)
[15:31] <pavlos> BeforeClick: pastebinit -s will list the supported sites ...
[15:31] <pavlos> BeforeClick: pastebinit -l will list the supported sites ...
[15:31] <pavlos> l not s
[15:42] <dserodio> "Software updater" is telling me I need to reboot to finish installing updates. How can I find out which updates are these?
[15:42] <ezio> how do i install https://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/core/artful/universe/base/php7.1-fpm in 16.04
[15:45] <kostkon> dserodio, probably this https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3455-1/
[15:46] <pavlos> dserodio: if this exists, /var/run/reboot-required there is another file that lists the updates
[15:54] <ultimaq> Hello, i was just wondering if there was anyone who could help me out? Currently I have ubuntu 16.04 running on my computer but it seems to freeze on boot, it lets me decrypt my hdd but it freezes, usually upon loading samba, and either freezes there or just at the text login for the tty
[16:00] <dserodio> kostkon: thanks, I had already installed that update yesterday
[16:00] <tomeaton17> How do I force apt to get a package from a ppa not the default repo?
[16:01] <nacc> !pinning | tomeaton17
[16:02] <urgodfather> hello room, has anyone used rsync?
[16:03] <d0uglas> Hi. In the process of moving from an old hdd to a fresh and larger ssd. Tried clonezilla but couldn't get it to boot, so now I'm DDing one to the other. I assume I'm going to get, if it works at all, a 260GB clone of the old disk on the 1TB hard drive that I'll want to resize. Is my best bet as a non-genius to try to do that in gparted or with fdisk, or should I try harder to boot with clonezilla? Thanks.
[16:04] <d0uglas> (clonezilla kept counting down from 30s and jumping back to 30s, trying to change options didn't help)
[16:04] <dserodio> pavlos: thanks. why should updating gconf2 needs restarting thou...
[16:05] <pavlos> donofrio: I dont know ... maybe other packages trigger reboot
[16:05] <dbugger> Hello everyone. For some reason my laptop cant seem to recognize a monitor I am trying to connecto through the Display Port, but weird enough it works through DVI. Can someone give me a hand how could I make it work through DisplayPort?
[16:05] <pavlos> dserodio: I dont know ... maybe other packages trigger reboot
[16:05] <pavlos> donofrio: sorry
[16:05] <d0uglas> and when using dd to clone my active root partition, is that bad, do I need to be unmounted and booted with something else?
[16:05] <dserodio> pavlos: /var/run/reboot-required.pkgs only mentions gconf2
[16:10] <ultimaq> does anyone have a possible fix for a boot issue with 16.04? my work desktop is in need of assistance
[16:10] <EriC^^> ultimaq: what's the issue?
[16:11] <BluesKaj> d0uglas, I've used dd to clone both / and /home successfully, but the target partitions have to be slightly larger then the source. Then after finishing use gparted live media to check the the target p[artition(s)
[16:11] <ultimaq> on boot, after decrypting hdd, it freezes and the screen starts to flicker, it seems to be freezing once trying to start Samba SMB/CIFS daemon
[16:11] <BluesKaj> then=than
[16:15] <mitmf> how can i know standrary library path?
[16:15] <anddam> hello
[16:16] <anddam> on xenial should I have an actual "$vt_handoff" bit as kernel parameter or should it be a "vt.handoff=[…]" piece?
[16:19] <foca_> a
[16:21] <nszceta> Is there a guide on how to install CUDA with the standard ubuntu repositories?
[16:21] <nszceta> Everything I see online involves 3rd party repos
[16:21] <EriC^^> !cuda | nszceta
[16:21] <nszceta> What
[16:21] <EriC^^> nevermind
[16:21] <nszceta> No worries.
[16:22] <pavlos> nszceta: look at the developer.nvidia site
[16:22] <nszceta> That site wants me to download directly from nvidia
[16:22] <nszceta> I want to use the CUDA in the ubuntu repos
[16:23] <nszceta> I want the old one on purpose because of some old code I am debugging
[16:23] <nszceta> I am working with ubuntu 14.04
[16:24] <nszceta> Every single "guide" online ignores the elephant in the room: the CUDA and nvidia driver that comes with ubuntu in the repos!
[16:27] <nszceta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25760274/
[16:28] <nszceta> Maybe it is because of this level of insanity. Any ideas?
[16:28] <pavlos> nszceta: does this help, https://gist.github.com/mGalarnyk/f3b78fb90ca58855bba01738dd88ef2c
[16:28] <nszceta> I appreciate it pavlos but I want the cuda in the ubuntu repos
[16:28] <d0uglas> BluesKaj: Well my situation might be simpler, the HDD with Linux installed (and running now) is 261G, the target SSD 1TB, and I'm only dealing with one partition, didn't split up /home /var etc. So instead of fdisk I'll do what you did, use gparted live media. A little curious how I'm getting away with cloning from a source I'm using and, for example, writing logs to as the clone runs, maybe it's all loaded in memory?
[16:29] <nszceta> pavlos if I give up on this quest I will use your suggestion
[16:29] <nicomachus> i'm running a program called mpdscribble which scrobbles tracks from MPD to a couple services. I'm having a couple permissions issues. It's trying to create a pid file at /var/run/mpdscribble.pid and journals at /var/cache/mpdscribble/lastfm.journal and /var/cache/mpdscribble/librefm.journal, but it doesn't have permission to access /var/.
[16:29] <nicomachus> I've always been bad with permissions. Do I need to set a user for mpdscribble? run it as root?
[16:29] <foca__> System Setting is not working after disable NetworkManager. What's happening ?
[16:30] <EriC^^> d0uglas: if you don't have a live usb, you could always remount the rootfs as read-only and then clone
[16:30] <d0uglas> BluesKaj: though is gparted not an option (not the bootable gparted) with the target drive that I'm not yet using and is not mounted to resize?
[16:31] <nszceta> Why does ubuntu bother bundling nvidia and cuda if the packages in the repo are UTTER CRAP
[16:31] <nicomachus> nszceta: chill. relax.
[16:31] <nszceta> 100% of every guide on the internet tells you to immediately remove anything nvidia or cuda related and then to switch to the nvidia repos
[16:33] <BluesKaj> d0uglas, I would use gparted only after your dd copy was successful. I have no experience using gparted to actually copy a partition.
[16:34] <BluesKaj> d0uglas, sorry I have to leave for 20mins or so
[16:34] <d0uglas> Okay, so once dd is done I'll make sure I can boot up with the new drive, then go on to use gparted to try to expand the partition to fill up the new drive
[16:34] <d0uglas> thanks
[16:36] <BluesKaj> d0 no, I would set up the target partition to be slightly larger than the source with gparted first
[16:36] <BluesKaj> d0uglas,^
[16:36] <d0uglas> ohh. k
[16:36] <d0uglas> thanks
[16:41] <lfowlr> hi
[16:41] <lfowlr> so what is the ... software updater not asking me for root password?
[16:41] <lfowlr> it's just uppdates without it ????
[16:41] <lfowlr> why don't i need root to update my system?
[16:42] <EriC^^> lfowlr: sometimes it uses older confirmations, you would have pressed the password but it never got to finish
[16:42] <kostkon> lfowlr, that's the default behavious since... ages ago
[16:42] <kostkon> behaviour*
[16:43] <EriC^^> it does ask for the root password, just not always, it hit me as a surprise too, it's continuing an older update that's all
[16:43] <otaviojr> ifowlr: maybe your user can do sudo without password. check /etc/sudoers
[16:43] <kostkon> lfowlr, it only asks when new pacakges are about to be installed, e.g. new kernel updates
[16:44] <lfowlr> no it installed new security update packages.
[16:44] <kostkon> lfowlr, not kernel ones I assume
[16:44] <lfowlr> EriC^^: I didn't feed the old password, it's fresh reboot fro yesterday. i never fed the passowrd
[16:45] <lfowlr> otaviojr: on ubuntu the default account always needs password. idiot
[16:45] <lfowlr> I checked /etc/sudoers
[16:46] <Elminster> Hi folks -- Webserver newbie question: So, I want to build a webpage accessible on the internet, but hosted on my webserver. I set up an old pc with ubuntu server and set a LOCAL static ip for my internal network. But now, how do I have it accessible to the internet? DO I absolutely have to pay my ISP for a static ip? DIrections are most welcome.
[16:47] <tgm4883> lfowlr: calling people idiot is an interesting way to try and get help
[16:47] <lordcirth_work> Elminster, if you don't need constant reliability, you can get a free dynamic DNS (DDNS) service, where your router or server will inform the DNS whenever your IP changes
[16:48] <Elminster> Lordcirth_work: Services such as DYN DNS?
[16:48] <CarlGauss> Elminster: besides what lordcirth_work said, remember that you need to set up your router to correctly forward port 80/443
[16:49] <Elminster> CarlGauss: Thanks. noted.
[16:49] <lordcirth_work> Elminster, yeah, I use noip myself.  And yeah, gotta forward ports, and I recommend using TLS with LetsEncrypt
[16:49] <bigpic> trying to use zfs on ubuntu for the first time..  I pulled a tried from the chasis and zpool status is saying it’s still online?
[16:49] <bigpic> it’s suspended the IO on the pool
[16:50] <bigpic> a drive*
[16:55] <foca__> Can't open system settings after disable NetworkManager
[16:56] <nicomachus> foca__: how are you trying to open it?
[16:56] <lfowlr> hi
[16:56] <lfowlr> i get error? system error? how should i solve it?
[16:56] <lfowlr> and also trace it
[16:56] <nicomachus> lfowlr: gonna need some more detail about the error...
[16:56] <lfowlr> i just don't want to disable the pop up.
[16:57] <lfowlr> so i clsed that window. how do i fetch more details
[16:57] <lfowlr> does apt has error checkingj
[16:58] <nicomachus> check 'dmesg | tail'
[16:58] <otaviojr> lfowlr: sudo apt-get -f install
[16:59] <lordcirth_work> bigpic, what kind of pool?  raidz?
[16:59] <bigpic> yep
[16:59] <bigpic> i’m going to destroy the pool and try it again
[17:00] <lordcirth_work> bigpic, probably the chassis does not hotplug properly and the OS is blocking on the drive rather than seeing it's gone
[17:00] <lordcirth_work> Look at dmesg and lsblk -f
[17:00] <lfowlr> https://ptpb.pw/_5io
[17:00] <lfowlr> nicomachus:
[17:01] <nicomachus> lfowlr: a little info about what you're trying to do that caused the error would be helpful as well. This just looks like a bluetooth problem.
[17:01] <nicomachus> !pm | foca__
[17:01] <lfowlr> i did that nothing it showed otaviojr
[17:02] <lfowlr> nicomachus: ok which info do you want? I already gave you dmesg
[17:02] <nicomachus> foca__: try to open system settings from command line and see if it throws any errors.
[17:02] <lfowlr> upon boot it shows that annoying error message, and doesn't show the error itself?
[17:02] <lfowlr> not my fault
[17:03] <nicomachus> lfowlr: what we don't know what the "annoying error message" is so... not our fault either.
[17:04] <ironhoof> I am ubuntu 14.04 and after using -reinstall in the package manager I now have 2 init, dbus daemons, and 2 upstarts is there a way to correct this?
[17:05] <lordcirth_work> ironhoof, 2 packages of each?  2 running? or what?
[17:05] <ironhoof> 23 running
[17:05] <nacc> lfowlr: presumably you mean you logged in and got a "system error" popup. Rather than providing only a sample of dmesg, can you provide the full output.
[17:05] <ironhoof> 2*
[17:05] <lordcirth_work> ironhoof, after a reboot?
[17:05] <ironhoof> Yes
[17:06] <ironhoof> They all always startup
[17:06] <lfowlr> nacc: yes upon every boot i get that error? but dmesg full output you want?
[17:06] <lfowlr> do you even understand it's ouput?
[17:07] <lfowlr> but hte output of the pop up window error is different.
[17:08] <lfowlr> https://ptpb.pw/f7yh
[17:09] <nacc> lfowlr: yes, I understand dmesg's output.
[17:09] <nacc> lfowlr: what do you mean "the output of the pop up window is different"? Different from what?
[17:10] <lfowlr> but it's the system in the package management of ubuntu, not dmesg.
[17:10] <lfowlr> it's some broken deps or soemthing. ?
[17:10] <nacc> lfowlr: what?
[17:11] <nacc> lfowlr: "but it's the system..." what is it?
[17:11] <ironhoof> lordcirth_work, I had a power outage and I got a corrupted package manager list. I followed some directiion using dpkg with the reinstall option. It corrected the list, but doubled those three items on every boot.
[17:11] <nacc> lfowlr: dmesg is just a command that dumps the kernel log buffer.
[17:11] <lordcirth_work> ironhoof, I see, that's odd.  Not sure how to fix it.  I'm using systemd on 16.04 myself
[17:12] <ironhoof> right, I do have that one too on a seperate drive, but my AMD machine I need the gpu support so im hanging on to it kind of important for now.
[17:17] <alkisg> ironhoof: which items are doubled?
[17:18] <ironhoof> Init, dbus-daemon, and upstart-dbus-bridge
[17:18] <alkisg> They run twice?
[17:18] <ironhoof> Together yes.
[17:19] <alkisg> Can you paste the `ps faux` lines for the double entries?
[17:19] <alkisg> (or all of it...)
[17:20] <ironhoof> One moment:
[17:23] <ironhoof> All of right here in chat?
[17:23] <alkisg> !pastebin
[17:23] <ironhoof> ook
[17:24] <ironhoof> https://pastebin.com/Ex2JMfk2
[17:25] <ioria> ironhoof, it's normal having 2 instances of init (it's not the old init, it's the upstart - init)
[17:26] <alkisg> And 2 dbus too, one for system and one for session
[17:26] <ioria> ironhoof, when a user logs in, a new init process is created for that user session
[17:26] <ioria> ironhoof,   118:  init --user
[17:27] <bigpic> lordcirth_work: is it better to use the labels under /dev/disk/by-id/ over the /dec/sd*?
[17:27] <ironhoof> Ok, so its just forked then... Maybe I just never noticed, but since I had a problem I am looking harder.
[17:27] <alkisg> Not really forked, one runs as root and the other as the user
[17:28] <ironhoof> Oh, I see!
[17:28] <lfowlr> OHMY GOD
[17:28] <lfowlr> I get that famous boot error. adn no one tells me how to corrrect. it
[17:28] <lfowlr> or trace it
[17:29] <nacc> lfowlr: "that famous boot error"?
[17:29] <ironhoof> I was just concearned that they might conflict, but geuss its just a false alarm. Well thank you anyways I will put it out of my mind.
[17:29] <nacc> lfowlr: i asked you followup questions, which you have ignored.
[17:29] <nicomachus> "no one tells me how to correct" the error that I can't define or explain any further
[17:29] <lfowlr> nacc: that error which says report to canonical ...
[17:30] <nacc> lfowlr: ok, let's clarify some basic terminology, then. There was an error (for some definnition of error). A monitoring tool (I believe this is apport) detected that and is trying to let you know that something was detected. That is the popup you are seeing. Did you click yes, report it?
[17:32] <lfowlr> yes aport
[17:32] <lfowlr> yes i reported it
[17:32] <lfowlr> but it did't tell what that error is, and how to removeit
[17:32] <lfowlr> it's a infamous ubuntu eror
[17:32] <ioria> yea, very infamous
[17:32] <nicomachus> "infamous"
[17:32] <nacc> lfowlr: how can you know if the error is "infamous" if you don't know what the error is?
[17:33] <lfowlr> http://www.binarytides.com/ubuntu-fix-system-program-problem-error/
[17:33] <lfowlr> ok it is very famous
[17:33] <nacc> lfowlr: do you mean the popup is infamous?
[17:33] <nacc> lfowlr: the popup is *not* the error.
[17:33] <lfowlr> yes
[17:33] <ioria> lfowlr, ls -al /var/crash
[17:33] <lfowlr> I know it is errors or better said a famous family of erros
[17:34] <nacc> lfowlr: what?
[17:34] <nacc> lfowlr: i don't think you know that.
[17:34] <lfowlr> drwxrwsrwt  2 root whoopsie 4096 Oct 17 22:11 .
[17:34] <lfowlr> drwxr-xr-x 14 root root     4096 Aug  1 17:04 ..
[17:34] <nacc> lfowlr: you don't know what the error is yet.
[17:35] <lfowlr> who is that whoopsie user. i never created it
[17:35] <nicomachus> lol
[17:35] <lfowlr> how do i see all the users.
[17:35] <nicomachus> lfowlr: that is a user the system users for apport
[17:35] <nacc> lfowlr: you didn't create most of the users that probably exist on your system
[17:35] <lfowlr> ok good to know i thought i got hacked
[17:35] <nicomachus> but I do love that it's "whoopsie"
[17:37] <lfowlr> i'd reinstall the infamous system
[17:37] <ironhoof> First time I saw whoopsie I nearly fell off my chair.
[17:37] <lfowlr> but are the bugs old in this ubuntu? so if they are known it's not secure? xenial?
[17:37] <lfowlr> is the default installation secure?
[17:37] <tgm4883> lfowlr: yes
[17:37] <lfowlr> nacc: on ubuntu security  there was several bugs..
[17:37] <nacc> lfowlr: you seem to be jumping all over the place. Do you want help figuring out what the error is or ot?
[17:37] <nacc> *not
[17:38] <nacc> lfowlr: "on ubuntu security"?
[17:38] <lfowlr> nacc: yes, but no helped me.
[17:38] <nacc> lfowlr: what?
[17:38] <lfowlr> on security listings.
[17:38] <nacc> lfowlr: we have been asking you questions, which you seem to not be answering.
[17:38] <lfowlr> ubuntu.com/usn or something
[17:38] <nacc> lfowlr: so ... the security team reported security fixes and you think that makes you insecure?
[17:38] <tgm4883> lfowlr: if you format your questions in complete sentences someone might actually know what you're talking about
[17:40] <lfowlr> how to correct the apport error
[17:40] <lfowlr> sudo apt-get -f install didn't wokr
[17:40] <tgm4883> lfowlr: fix the problem
[17:40] <lfowlr> fix ? i don't even know what the problem is !!!
[17:40] <lfowlr> ubuntu is infamous for these errors
[17:41] <tgm4883> look at it
[17:41] <nicomachus> lfowlr: stop saying that, it's wrong.
[17:41] <nacc> lfowlr: ok, please stop saying that. You are referring to a popup, not an error.
[17:41] <nacc> lfowlr: the popup might be annoying, but on its own is unrelated to the error detected.
[17:43] <lfowlr> is it a security risk?
[17:43] <nacc> lfowlr: is what a security risk?
[17:43] <tgm4883> no
[17:43] <ironhoof> lfowlr, a popup window is just a report from a problem without the popup you might not even know what the problem is. Like a seg fault will just close the program, but it reports it to you so you know why. A popup is a helper not the problem.
[17:44] <lfowlr> nacc: programs crashes are a severe risk
[17:44] <nacc> lfowlr: how is that an answer to my question
[17:44] <tgm4883> lfowlr: no they are not
[17:44] <nacc> lfowlr: i feel like you're perhaps missing some basic bits of conversation
[17:44] <nacc> lfowlr: I asked "is what a security risk?" Was your answer "program crashes"?
[17:45] <lfowlr> those family of errors
[17:45] <nacc> lfowlr: *what* family of errors?
[17:45] <nacc> lfowlr: you don't know what the error is!
[17:45] <tgm4883> lfowlr: that's not a family of errors
[17:45] <lfowlr> it's not just one error- but a "family" of errors that ubuntu is infamous for
[17:45] <tgm4883> lfowlr: please stop trolling
[17:45] <lfowlr> generalised erorrs, that apport reports.
[17:45] <nacc> lfowlr: ok, you're a troll, i'm done helping. Good luck learning about Linux.
[17:45] <lfowlr> nacc: i don't want your "help"
[17:46] <TJ-> lfowlr: When you shutdown the system, do you have to manually power off?
[17:46] <TJ-> ahhh, good answer :)
[17:46] <nacc> lol
[17:50] <vishal_golcha> have a pc build issue here . is intel z270 still facing ethernet issues on ubuntu installation ?
[17:51] <ironhoof> What kind?
[17:51] <ironhoof> sorry, what kind of issues?
[17:52] <vishal_golcha> several forums show z270 having ethernet problems becuase of lack of drivers and some NVMsum check problem
[17:52] <vishal_golcha> those posts date back to april or before
[17:54] <Term1nal> Is there a way to keep the updater from over-writing a .destop file in the package when updated?
[17:55] <Term1nal> VSCode uses a really terrible icon, and every time I update the package, I have to go back and change the icon. Can I in some way keep the file from being over-written when the rest of the package is updated?
[17:55] <alkisg> !dpkg-divert
[17:56] <nicomachus> !info dpkg-divert | alkisg
[17:56] <TJ-> Term1nal: "sudo dpkg-divert --divert /path/to/file.diverted --rename /path/to/file"
[17:57] <Term1nal> TJ-: what does that do exactly?
[17:57] <TJ-> Term1nal: Tells dpkg the file has been diverted, and renames it to ..../file.diverted. Any future package upgrades will affect .../file.diverted, not .../file
[17:58] <Term1nal> I see, so I can divert it to /dev/null ?
[17:58] <TJ-> Term1nal: thus preserving your .../file
[17:58] <hosas> ironhalik: he's trying to build a system, and he noticed his chosen motherboard seems to have drivers issues as shown here: https://superuser.com/questions/1104537/how-to-repair-the-checksum-of-the-non-volatile-memory-nvm-of-intel-ethernet-co so, he's wondering if it has been resolved, so that he won't need to patch it or something like that
[17:58] <foca__> nicomachus I've tried to run using terminal unity-control-center, but it shows with no icons on it
[17:58] <TJ-> Term1nal: I wouldn't recommend that! usually it gets renamed to /path/to/file.distrib so you could use that format
[17:58] <ducasse> wouldn't a copy of the .desktop file in ~/.local/share/applications just override it?
[17:58] <ikonia> TJ-: are there any restrictions around dpkg-divert ?
[17:59] <nicomachus> foca__: try 'unity-control-center -v' and then paste the output of that to a pastebin and link here please.
[17:59] <Term1nal> ducasse: I haven't tried that actually.
[17:59] <TJ-> ikonia: it won't create non-existent paths. I wrote a wrappe a few weeks ago to do that for me, so I move all diverted files to /etc/dpkg-divert/orig/path/to/file
[17:59] <nicomachus> foca__: you ARE using Unity and not Gnome, right?
[17:59] <ikonia> TJ-: thats interesting and useful
[17:59] <TJ-> ikonia: makes it easy to see all diverts, and to know where they came from
[18:00] <foca__> nicomachus I'm using gnome
[18:01] <TJ-> ikonia: see http://iam.tj/projects/ubuntu/dpkg-divert
[18:02] <nicomachus> foca__: ok, that's a different package name. One sec lemme find it
[18:03] <nicomachus> foca__: gnome-control-center
[18:03] <TJ-> ducasse: usually (my experience with Firefox) is it'll create duplicates
[18:05] <hosas> ioria: can I pm you? thanks
[18:06] <foca__> nicomachus I tried to install that package but it installs NetworkManager again and it's causing some problem here
[18:06] <ikonia> TJ-: useful, thank you
[18:06] <nicomachus> foca__: well maybe we should work on fixing the NetworkManager problems?
[18:10] <foca__> nicomachus The only way that my system stops to get log errors was using WICD instead NetworkManager. When NetworkManager is installed it returns this error NetworkManager[907]: nm_device_get_device_type: assertion 'NM_IS_DEVICE (self)' failed
[18:11] <TJ-> bug #1568560
[18:12] <nicomachus> well, TJ-, get to fixin
[18:12] <nicomachus> :D
[18:12] <TJ-> pfft, I'm only the butler :)
[18:13] <nicomachus> foca__: is that you on the very bottom there? looks like it. diegofoca123
[18:14] <foca__> ubottu I wrote the solution there, was the same that I did here using WICD instead NetworkManager
[18:15] <foca__> nicomachus yes it's me :D
[18:15] <vishal_golcha> can someone suggest motherboards that install with all drivers flawlessly for ubuntu 16.04 , for deep learning
[18:15] <nicomachus> vishal_golcha: this channel generally doesn't do hardware recommendations.
[18:15] <TJ-> foca__: What is the make/model of the PC with the problem?
[18:17] <vishal_golcha> foca__ it's asus strix z270f ,16gb ram , gigabyte gtx 1070 oc
[18:17] <TJ-> foca__: the thing is, "assertion 'NM_IS_DEVICE (self)' failed" isn't a report related to the actual issue, but that can be generated as a result of an underlying issue.
[18:20] <foca__> TJ- Intel® Desktop Board DH67BL
[18:21] <TJ-> foca__: this is on 16.04 is it?
[18:22] <Capprentice> Hi! Left click on touchpad not working. Ubuntu 16.04, MSI CX62 7QL
[18:22] <Capprentice> where do I start looking?
[18:23] <foca__> TJ- 17.04
[18:24] <pmitros> I have a program which often fails on startup. It's not an Ubuntu package (it's a wonky rabbit-mq thing which came with an enterprise piece of junk). I'd periodically like to try to restart it if it fails. What's the best way to do that?
[18:24] <pmitros> I wrote a short script with a loop: service rmq status && service rmq restart; sleep 5s;
[18:25] <pmitros> But that seems (1) unclean. (2) For some reason, service rmq status goes into less (even if not at a terminal)
[18:26] <TJ-> foca__: Are you using that PC right now on IRC? If so can you show us "pastebinit <( lspci -nnk; ip link show)"
[18:27] <TJ-> pmitros: if the init system is systemd you can create a unit file for it and tell systemd to restart it automatically
[18:27] <pmitros> TJ: Can you point me to a doc or similar? I'm not quite sure what a unit file is.
[18:28] <pmitros> TJ: Is that the name of the files in etc/init.d?
[18:28] <nacc> pmitros: `man systemd.unit`
[18:28] <TJ-> pmitros: what version of Ubuntu is it? 16.04 ?
[18:28] <nacc> pmitros: and no, it's not, to the particular questio you just had :)
[18:29] <nacc> pmitros: (note also that service is a 14.04-ism, I believe)
[18:29] <pmitros> TJ: 16.04
[18:29] <pmitros> Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
[18:29] <pmitros> The script is /etc/init.d/rmq
[18:29] <TJ-> pmitros: so the default is systemd, so you can use a .unit service file. Let me find the help wiki page for this
[18:30] <MannyLNJ> Is this a Ubuntu or a Virtual Box issue?  Virtual Box 5.1.30 on Ubuntu. Guest is Windows 7. System sees my iphone and starts to install drivers but the install fails. Any help is appreciated
[18:30] <foca__> TJ- http://paste.ubuntu.com/25760899/
[18:31] <nicomachus> MannyLNJ: which system is trying to read the iPhone?
[18:31] <MannyLNJ> nicomachus, I assume Windows 7 guest because I want to use itunes to backup the phone
[18:32] <nacc> MannyLNJ: "install fails"?
[18:32] <nicomachus> MannyLNJ: then that's probably a Windows issue, but it's tough to tell for sure. Is USB pass-through enabled on the Vbox?
[18:32] <TJ-> pmitros: see https://github.com/rabbitmq/rabbitmq-server/issues/1359
[18:32] <pmitros> Neat! I'll try that.
[18:33] <pmitros> Thank you!
[18:33] <MannyLNJ> nacc, I get a code 10 in the windows system, nicomachus I beliebe USB Pass through is enabled because there is the check mark newxt to Apple Iphone
[18:34] <nicomachus> MannyLNJ: sounds like a Windows issue installing the driver then? I'm not sure. Windows + iPhone is the opposite of my specialty
[18:34] <pmitros> Actually, hold on. That might be a bit complex. There's a pretty big init.d script already. Converting that would be a bit of work....
[18:34] <TJ-> foca__: the PC has 2 wired interfaces (Intel 82579V and Realtek 8111/8168/8411) - which one is it you're using
[18:34] <nacc> MannyLNJ: yeah that sounds like an ubuntu issue
[18:34] <stochastix> has 17.10 done away with Unity already?
[18:35] <nicomachus> stochastix: yes. Also, see #ubuntu+1 for 17.10 questions
[18:35] <stochastix> Ahh, ok thanks. for the +1
[18:35] <foca__> TJ- Realtek 8111/8168/8411
[18:35] <MannyLNJ> nacc, I just tried to pass through another USB device and it failed. I think there is an underling issue.
[18:36] <TJ-> foca__: is the Intel device not used, or used for something else?
[18:36] <TJ-> foca__: there have, historically, been a few issues with RTL8168 type devices where the wrong driver loads. I'm wondering if that might be at the root of your inconsistent network IF issues
[18:37] <TJ-> MannyLNJ: check /var/log/auth.log and /var/log/kern.log for clues - maybe permissions issues, or a driver-in-use type thing
[18:38] <foca__> TJ- no, I just installed other network card to check if that problem could gone, but it occurs with both networks
[18:40] <TJ-> foca__: That's a useful datapoint. Did the issue occur during the current boot cycle? If so can you show us "pastebinit <( dmesg )"
[18:42] <foca__> TJ- That error was happening before I've installed WICD, now that error is gone, These command is still useful to check that ?
[18:43] <MannyLNJ> TJ-, thank you. I have no idea what to look for in the log
[18:44] <TJ-> MannyLNJ: I'd look for any errors/denied messages at the end of each log file which should relate to when you last tried to initiate the pass through
[18:45] <TJ-> foca__: no, it would only help if the problem occurred during this boot cycle. What we may be able to do is identify an older syslog file that will cover a time when the issue did happen, and read that. Can you show us "pastebinit <( ls -ltr /var/log/syslog* )"
[18:49] <foca__> TJ- http://paste.ubuntu.com/25761016/
[18:51] <TJ-> foca__: when was the last date when you had the issue with NetworkManager?
[18:51] <nicomachus> bug report was 10/11
[18:52] <foca__> TJ- 06/11
[18:52] <foca__> TJ- 06/10 sorry
[18:53] <nicomachus> foca__: October60th or June 10th?
[18:53] <TJ-> hehehe 6th October (in English)
[18:53] <nicomachus> October 6th*
[18:53] <TJ-> So if it's still there it'll be in the syslog.4.gz which was saved on the 10th. I've a feeling that won't contain the messages from the 6th though, those will have been deleted.
[18:54] <TJ-> foca__: show us "pastebinit <( zcat /var/log/syslog.4.gz ) "
[18:54] <foca__> TJ- yes kkk, so bad English here
[18:56] <jscatala> hello im trying to configure cgroups on ubuntu 14-04 LTS. As far as I can see, cgroup-mount is not available, that means I cannot run the daemon script. This is a know issue or any reason why this happen ? thanks in advance
[18:56] <slipttees> hi guys... i have little issue.  Common users run applications in the wine. But, Active directory users can not run any aplications. I never see this before :-(
[18:58] <foca__> TJ- I have to go, talk to you again tomorrow, thanks for helped
[18:59] <slipttees> hi guys... i have little issue.  Common users run applications in the wine. But, Active directory users can not run any aplications. I never see this before :-( pastebin.com/fFn5CsKp
[18:59] <alkisg> slipttees: and what's the error message?
[18:59] <nacc> !patience | slipttees
[18:59] <TJ-> jscatala: are you using cgroup-lite ?
[18:59] <slipttees> nacc: add link for paste!
[18:59] <slipttees> nacc: no repeat msg
[19:00] <flying_sausages> Hey guys, is off-topic allowed here?
[19:00] <nacc> !ot | flying_sausages
[19:00] <nacc> slipttees: uh, you verbatim repeated the text up until the paste. So next time, just say, "Here's the paste..."
[19:01] <flying_sausages> nacc, cheers
[19:01] <jscatala> TJ-: yes, I want to add all tasks from a certain user to a memory limit.
[19:01] <slipttees> nacc: Ok. Master of galaxies!
[19:02] <alkisg> slipttees: can they run winecfg?
[19:02] <slipttees> alkisg: yes
[19:02] <alkisg> slipttees: can they run other programs that are not in /opt? Maybe permissions issues?
[19:03] <akf> Hi all, I've upgraded to ubuntu 17.04 recently and now audio isn't working. I only have digital audio output available -- all other ports are marked as unavailable, despite the system recognizing the device. Any ideas?
[19:03] <slipttees> alkisg: i try install adobe reader inside Active directory user. Same problem.... but common user open all. wine 2.0.2 stable!
[19:03] <TJ-> jscatala: cgroups-mount is in cgroup-lite. Is there a specific error you're seeing?
[19:04] <alkisg> slipttees: try asking in #winehq as well
[19:04] <jscatala> TJ-: I cannot restart the daemon because does not exists
[19:04] <TJ-> jscatala: what doesn't exist? can you show us the error?
[19:04] <slipttees> alkisg: ok bro. thanks you!
[19:04] <alkisg> np
[19:05] <slipttees> nacc: kiss ;-)
[19:05] <jscatala> TJ-: and when I try to enter into the /etc/init/cgroup-lite.conf I see that there is a pre-start test -x /bin/cgroups-mount || { stop; exit 0; }
[19:06] <jscatala> TJ-: I don't have an specific error,  service cred status cred: unrecognized service
[19:09] <TJ-> jscatala: "unrecognized service" means there's no "/etc/init.d/cred"
[19:09] <akf> nvm, figured it out. Thanks anyways!
[19:10] <jscatala> TJ-: ok. so how could I apply the current changes then if I have no service?
[19:11] <alkisg> I'm frequently booting systems just to run `apt update; apt dist-upgrade` on them. And I have to wait for unattended-upgrades (apt locked), without any visual indication of when it'll finish. Isn't that annoying as a default? Isn't it supposed to run some random time after boot, and not immediately?
[19:11] <TJ-> jscatala: I feel like we're talking at cross purposes here. if you're issuing the command "service cred status" that implies you previously installed a package or service called 'cred', and it installed a /etc/init.d/cred start/stop script. The error says that file doesn't exist. Where did you get the command from?
[19:12] <ignoo> hey there folks, running ubuntu GNOME 16.04. any good text editor to view any files as text even if not properly text files? or any good extention for Gedit?
[19:13] <alkisg> `less file` prompts "might be binary, open anyway?" and it allows you to do so
[19:14] <ignoo> need to inspect some code, as gnome user the world impossible is a bit too much to me to stand.
[19:14] <ignoo> *word
[19:14] <ioria> !info ghex
[19:15] <ioria> ignoo, ah, you mean source  ?
[19:15] <ignoo> is there a xenial version too? not switched to zesty as new ubuntu official would be gnome and i don't agree with some features so i'd rather stay on last LTS as long as LTS is supported.
[19:16] <acevic> I was looking for a solution to install git on Ubuntu 16.04. I tried using sudo apt install git. However, I got an error that says,
[19:16] <acevic> "The following packages have unmet dependencies: git : Depends: liberror-perl but it is not installable E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages."
[19:16] <acevic> I have tried running
[19:16] <acevic> "sudo apt-get update",
[19:16] <acevic> "sudo apt-get -f dist-upgrade" and
[19:16] <acevic> "sudo apt-get -f install".
[19:16] <acevic> However, I'm getting the same error. Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong?
[19:16] <alkisg> acevic: try sudo apt install liberror-perl
[19:16] <jscatala> TJ-: ok so let me start again, sorry. I want to use cgroups to limit the access to certain user to all the resources so the machine does not get halted. until now I have http://paste.ubuntu.com/25761171/. can you guide me to what do I still have not done yet? thanks !
[19:17] <ioria> ignoo, what you need exactly ?
[19:18] <ignoo> ioria, yeah just to see source of files, but even those not properly free, or with some restrictions...
[19:19] <ioria> ignoo, what's the problem with gedit ?
[19:19] <acevic> @alkisg Just tried. It says "E: Package 'liberror-perl' has no installation candidate"
[19:19] <ignoo> it works good with free and open source, i need something for non free or non open stuff. possibly free and open.
[19:20] <alkisg> acevic: what's the output of this? sudo apt update; apt policy liberror-perl
[19:20] <TJ-> jscatala: I'm afraid I have to leave now, sorry. I'm wondering if you might get more targeted assistance from the #lxcontainers or #lxc #lxd or similar channels since cgroups at their core
[19:21] <ioria> ignoo, sy, can you give me an example of non-free source ?
[19:21] <jscatala> thanks
[19:23] <acevic> alkisg: It's downloading a bunch of stuff, apparently.
[19:24] <alkisg> acevic: copy/paste all the output to paste.ubuntu.com and give us the link
[19:24] <ignoo> ioria: (namefile.something) - gedit” is not responding.You may choose to wait a short while for it to continue or force the application to quit entirely.
[19:24] <acevic> alkisg: Might be a while. Connection is sluggish.
[19:24] <ignoo> ioria: any files gedit can't process as text
[19:25] <mertyildiran> Hi, I'm looking for people who are interested in Speech Recognition & Synthesis, NLP topics to collaborate in Dragonfire open-source virtual assistant project. (https://github.com/DragonComputer/Dragonfire) I'm also curious to hear your feedbacks.
[19:26] <ioria> ignoo,  source IS text .... maybe you are processing a not-text file
[19:26] <ignoo> ioria: ghex anyway is for sure more complete than gedit.
[19:26] <ignoo> ioria: and yes. i want to see non-text files as text.
[19:26] <ioria> ignoo,  ghex is  for binary
[19:27] <ioria> ignoo,  if it's not text ... what it is ?
[19:27] <ignoo> if i open a .mp3 with text editor it doesn't matter if useless code, i want to see it.
[19:27] <ioria> ignoo,  ok, let's try an hex editor, then :þ
[19:28] <oerheks> mertyildiran, normally i would say: no ads please, but this is an interesting project
[19:28] <oerheks> let me read
[19:28] <lesshaste> is there a tool to do a diff at the byte level?I have two text files that look the same but I suspect there are hidden differences
[19:28] <alkisg> diff file1 file2
[19:29] <lesshaste> will that show non-print differences too?
[19:29] <ioria> ignoo,  you have an hamburger, now you want the cow again  ... :)
[19:29] <alkisg> lesshaste: yes
[19:29] <mertyildiran> oerheks: thanks :) it's a completely non-commercial project. I'm looking for friends.
[19:29] <lesshaste> alkisg, thanks
[19:29] <alkisg> lesshaste: if those are text files, "meld" can do it visually as well
[19:29] <alkisg> It has options to not-ignore white space etc
[19:31] <oerheks> mertyildiran, maybe it is good to talk about this in #ubuntu-discuss, this is technical support
[19:31] <oerheks> or hmm, maybe it is technical
[19:32] <EriC^^> lesshaste: diff <(xxd file1) <(xxd file2)
[19:32] <ignoo> even if crypted, or difficult to read. i need something that does not return errors when opening non-text files, and that is able to change character encoding as well in more practical way
[19:33] <ignoo> ghex not so good for that.
[19:35] <ioria> ignoo, http://www.multiweb.cz/twoinches/mp3inside.htm
[19:36] <ignoo> maybe should use some multi-purpose program for coding instead of a viewer? any suggestion? is geany capable of doing what i need to do?
[19:36] <ignoo> and i not need to open specifically mp3s..totally pointless :P
[19:37] <mertyildiran> oerheks: I'm developing this project for ~2 years. It aims to fill the missing virtual assistant in Linux. But it's a challenging project. Even between the Ubuntu's own versions packages differs. This project desperately needs more people to become widely available.
[19:38] <ignoo> just need something that open files as text and don't need to know extension of file to open it.
[19:38] <ioria> ignoo,  geany is a good ide (editor) , but for code
[19:39] <mertyildiran> oerheks: maybe looking for Speech Recognition & Synthesis, NLP people in here was not the best idea though I need to find more Ubuntu super users for sure.
[19:39] <ignoo> i used textpad under windows.. but it is not in official repositories for obvious reasons.
[19:40] <ignoo> being on gnome and feel the need of propertary programs is totally against nature of gnome.
[19:41] <enzogorlomi> what about gedit?
[19:41] <leftyfb> vim
[19:41] <ignoo> that is the reason why too i will not install next version of ubuntu, wich will use gnome but have features that are not in gnome philosophy...just to say.
[19:42] <ignoo> as a ubuntu gnome user i feel betrayed a bit but that is another matter. don't talk about this now.
[19:42] <ignoo> enzo gedit unable to process files which doesn't know the extensions...
[19:43] <enzogorlomi> wow really? i didnt know that
[19:43] <ignoo> or not fitted to be text files.
[19:43] <ignoo> enzogrlomi : well now you know.
[19:43] <ignoo> :P
[19:43] <leftyfb> gedit can open files without extension just fine
[19:44] <oerheks> mertyildiran, #ubuntu-accessibility and #ubuntu-app-devel
[19:44] <mertyildiran> ignoo: oh are they migrating from Unity desktop to GNOME desktop? That's a good news and a bad new at the same time :)
[19:45] <ignoo> yes bad news because ubuntu gnome is not just ubuntu with gnome.
[19:45] <oerheks> unity will be available next release.. but not the default on the 'ubuntu-iso'
[19:45] <ignoo> and now ubuntu gnome will be deleted because of ubuntu with gnome is the official version? whoot? are you kidding me canonycal?
[19:46] <oerheks> ignoo, ??? that is not what it says
[19:46] <mertyildiran> oerheks: Dragonfire's scope beyond accessibility though I will try #ubuntu-app-devel thanks!
[19:46] <leftyfb> ignoo: gnome is open source software. It is completely acceptable for anyone to take it, modify it and incorporate it into their software solution. Expected even.
[19:46] <oerheks> gnome3 will be default.
[19:47] <mindofmateo> Hi.  I'm (still) having problems with my system intermittently freezing.  Still don't know what to do.  My question is this, is it a dumb or bad idea (ie would not be helpful) to add this to my crontab to try to see what happens?  I'm at a loss because the only thing I've been able to do is hold the power button down to do a hard reset, not even Al
[19:47] <mindofmateo> t+SysRq+R-E-I-S-U-B nor Alt+SysRq+F or K does anything.   Job in crontab:  https://thepasteb.in/p/0ghJwvVp6o1C5
[19:47] <akik> mertyildiran: what's the current status for dragonfire?
[19:47] <ignoo> take back your commercial amazon features and your non gnome phylosophy compatible files and then maybe i could be happy to upgrade to new version...
[19:47] <leftyfb> "non gnome phylosophy compatible files"   huh?
[19:47] <mertyildiran> akik: with status, in terms of what?
[19:47] <ignoo> in my opinion cancel ubuntu-gnome is a big fail.
[19:48] <oerheks> ignoo, do you have a support issue, or just to rant and spread FUD?
[19:48] <ignoo> i don't care consider it just an opinion. i don't need to give more explainations, you may like or may not like that decision. and i disagree.
[19:48] <akik> mertyildiran: is it usable for day-to-day usage?
[19:49] <ignoo> oerheks: i have a support question, yes.
[19:49] <leftyfb> I want to know what a "non gnome phylosophy compatible file" is
[19:50] <mindofmateo> People have asked for `dmesg` output before, so by logging its output minute by minute (hopefully) when it happens again (when, not if) there will be `dmesg` output leading up to that moment.
[19:50] <ignoo> GNome have an history. and reasons to be. You can't just say who the hek cares.
[19:51] <mertyildiran> akik: Speech recognition part is not perfect as commercial speech services (such as Google Speech API) though it's fun to open nautilus (file manager) via a voice command for example :D
[19:53] <mertyildiran> akik: or with just a voice command automatically opening the target Wikipedia page and hearing the all text from your speakers.
[19:56] <ignoo> ubuntu too had.but last version is unrespectful to gnu in my opinion because they will accept to be compromised..ubuntu gnome was less compromised than ubuntu official..cause was just alternative version, now they made conditions to accept for gnome users and removed right to have an alternative to be that much official as official version is...
[19:56] <mertyildiran> akik: if non-commercial Speech Recognition would be able to compete with commercial ones today then everyone would be using Linux instead of Windows or macOS.
[19:56] <krytarik> ignoo: As indicated, you might want to drop this.
[19:56] <ignoo> i don't know if you can understand that feeling, that opinion. call me idealist call me however you want...it's not support topic so i drop this as indicated.
[19:57] <leftyfb> I didn't think RMS used IRC
[19:58] <akik> mertyildiran: try posting it to hacker news and reddit so you'll get more coverage
[19:58] <ignoo> it's just that someone decided ubuntu-gnome didn't make sense anymore...we didn't had amazon stuff before and other non-needed stuff.
[19:59] <ignoo> ubuntu business is not a matter of some gnome users. that's it.
[19:59] <alkisg> Broken record :)
[19:59] <mertyildiran> akik: I posted it in Reddit, in the past some other dude posted it in Reddit. HackerNews is a good suggestion I will do that. Do you have any other platform ideas to mention about Dragonfire?
[20:00] <oerheks> ignoo, unity will be available, ubuntu-gnome will not go but renamed to ubuntu-desktop. https://packages.ubuntu.com/artful/ubuntu-desktop --- https://packages.ubuntu.com/artful/unity
[20:01] <CarlGauss> @mertyildiran just spam it on r/linux
[20:01] <akik> mertyildiran: i thought whether you could combine it somehow with the leap motion gesture control
[20:01] <acevic> alkisg: Not sure what happened, but I could successfully run the sudo install git command and install git after running the commands you sent me
[20:01] <oerheks> so gnome3 will not go, if that is what your worry is.
[20:01] <acevic> alkisg: Thank you for the support. Saved me a whole night of trial and error.
[20:01] <ignoo> oerheks, you miss the point. ubuntu and ubuntu-gnome are not the same thing.
[20:02] <oerheks> ...
[20:02] <ignoo> it's blasphemy to me. that they removed us.
[20:03] <ignoo> and forced us to be official.
[20:03] <ignoo> T_T i feel like a native american in western era.
[20:03] <oerheks> ignoo, there is vanilla gnome too..  https://packages.ubuntu.com/artful/vanilla-gnome-desktop
[20:05] <mertyildiran> akik: Dragonfire is actually a part of a much bigger idea (http://dragon.computer/) I thought about using leap motion gesture control in Dragon Helmet though I haven't considered it as a rational option until you said.
[20:05] <mertyildiran> akik: could you give me a good use case scenario?
[20:06] <akik> mertyildiran: actually i meant to say the discussion about it doesn't belong on this channel
[20:06] <oerheks> ignoo, so get the mini iso, and wired internet and go wild
[20:07] <leftyfb> I think ignoo is looking for http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/cvs/gnome/gnome-desktop.html
[20:07] <mertyildiran> akik: OK if you want to discuss about leap motion gesture control then please come to our Gitter chat room. So we will avoid that discussion here.
[20:07] <leftyfb> or maybe some way to put gnome on top of herd :)
[20:07] <oerheks> yes, pure gnome
[20:07] <oerheks> that is what the vanilla package gives
[20:08] <oerheks> one can even consider -no-install-recommends
[20:08] <enzogorlomi> estimated disk space required 23 mb :)
[20:08] <oerheks> *pure gnome*
[20:09] <ignoo> run to the hills some would say, oh no ubuntu putting me in reserves..I tough ubuntu was democracy and civilization O_O that someway found a good compromise to the unlimitness and the you can't do that.
[20:09] <leftyfb> ignoo: ubuntu was never a democracy
[20:09] <ignoo> now they say just do it. but with nike commercial logo.
[20:10] <oerheks> ubuntu is not a democracy, it's a meritocracy
[20:11] <ignoo> meritocracy? because of scheduled bugs?
[20:11] <ignoo> don't make me laugh man.
[20:12] <oerheks> let me guess: you would vote for rolling release
[20:12] <TJ-> ignoo: this really is off-topic and not a support issue. Best way to influence events is to be onvolved in the development.
[20:12] <leftyfb> ignoo: https://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/conduct
[20:12] <leftyfb> "We are a meritocracy; we delegate decision making, governance and leadership from senior bodies to the most able and engaged candidates."
[20:12] <ignoo> ok. sorry for that.
[20:13] <oerheks> i cannot make a change, there is no i in team, but you can.
[20:14] <ignoo> i'm not a developer.. i'm just a user that someway had some reasons to stay ubuntu gnome instead of ubuntu official
[20:17] <ignoo> if i had skills and time to do linuxfromscratch i would have created my personal distro too.
[20:20] <ignoo> but i'm a nobody here, just a user. not that special to make something good, but i think you can't blame me to disagree.. if i would move to another distro or not it's only a matter of mine..don't want to influence none, i just think having an opinion is totally fair. don't want to go off-topic so i just stop talking about this here..
[20:20] <ignoo> can someone answer me to my support related question,instead?
[20:21] <tgm4883> did you have one?
[20:23] <tgm4883> ignoo: I just read 30 minutes of backlog and didn't see a question in there. Can you repost it?
[20:26] <ignoo> i can't open some non-free non-open non-text files with GEDIT  cause it crashes with some files which are not properly designed to be open as text but i just need to inspect some files to at least know what they refer too, they suggested me GHEX but i fear the lack of character encoding switch to satisfy any needs would not fit with any files...
[20:27] <ignoo> so i just need to do that and i need some good program to do that, do you know something that could be useful in that situation? something that opens any files as text without needing to know extensions and that someway overrides some restrictions?
[20:27] <Ben64> ghex sounds like what you want
[20:29] <ignoo> ghex,as said not the best because it doesn't allow to switch character encoding and i think it is a bit tricky to explore dependencies...
[20:30] <ignoo> (does not allow it by default)
[20:30] <Ben64> but you said the file isn't text
[20:31] <nacc> yeah, this seems like a rather circular request
[20:31] <nacc> I want a text editor that can open non-text files
[20:31] <nacc> (character encoding doesn't particularly make sense outside of text)
[20:31] <Ben64> gedit can do it though
[20:32] <Ben64> it just complains about invalid stuff (as it should)
[20:32] <ignoo> (hexcode is not so readable that's why usually hex editors translate hex to text)
[20:32] <nacc> right, that's what I would expect -- it's not clear to me where ignoo's crashes are stemming from
[20:35] <jhutchins_wk> https://regexper.com/
[20:36] <jhutchins_wk> nacc: vi
[20:36] <nacc> jhutchins_wk: yeah, I would use vi as well (it will presumably open it as raw)
[20:37] <nacc> jhutchins_wk: but i presume that would be for ignoo anyways. I don't mess with non-open non-free non-text files.
[20:39] <ignoo> i think even if i don't need to do really serious stuff, i just need some reverse engineering tools to do that...as i'm not practice with that as i come from years and years of windows experience (don't judge me for that,as it is just been part of my studies and this does not mean I don't embrace free software phylosophy)
[20:40] <ignoo> i just decided to never look back and go back to windows but i still feel the need sometimes to inspect some non-free non-open files cause that's my hobby.
[20:40] <ignoo> XD
[20:42] <jhutchins_wk> ignoo: THere are plenty of tools in OS/Linux.  That's where a lot of the Windows tools come from.
[20:42] <jhutchins_wk> !hexedit
[20:42] <jhutchins_wk> !hex
[20:43] <ignoo> i just would like what are the most proper softwares to do that in linux and if there are some good free software to do that.
[20:44] <lordcirth_work> ignoo, I'm not sure this is a really useful place to ask; might want to look somewhere more specific
[20:45] <lordcirth_work> !alis | ignoo
[20:45] <jhutchins_wk> ignoo: hexedit, vim.
[20:45] <jhutchins_wk> ignoo: It's up to you what option you like best.
[20:47] <jhutchins_wk> ignoo: aptitude search hex
[20:47] <jhutchins_wk> ignoo: aptitude search hex | grep edit
[20:47] <ignoo> lordcirth_work: thank you
[20:47] <ignoo> jhutchins_wk: thank you
[20:48] <jhutchins_wk> ignoo: Have fun!  I'm a former MSCP, but I don't touch windows these days.
[20:53] <ignoo> jhutchins_wk: i think usually men tend to fear the unknown, i chose to live without fear. ignore the unknown pushes you back to start someway. aknowledge the unknown instead, it's just a way to keep walking, and to be free of all lies of our times.
[20:56] <ignoo> for that reasons and some more, I think knowledge someway it's just part of freedom i embrace , it gives sense to my freedom. it satisfies it.
[20:58] <kostkon> ignoo, you've kinda overwhelmed the channel with your chatter, stick to support question if you can
[20:58] <kostkon> your*
[21:00] <strive> ignoo "the wise"
[21:07] <ignoo> strive: lmfao i don't deserve that title, really. I just reflect on things with some principles of coherence, this does not make me wise, this only makes me coherent with my way of thinking, in those terms when there's coherence any point of view can be considered wise only if you agree with the point of view,otherwise it's just something else , and coherence is not a matter of opinion. and coherence is not the same thing of wisdom.
[21:07] <strive> ignoo "the coherent"
[21:08] <ignoo> better XD
[21:08] <ignoo> well this is really off, so am I.
[21:08] <strive> ignoo " the off-topic coherent"
[21:08] <ignoo> strive "the funny guy"
[21:08] <ignoo> :D
[21:08] <strive> haha
[21:13] <linuxlove> hey guys
[21:13] <ignoo> ok i go, bye, an thank you for help.
[21:13] <linuxlove> i have ubuntu 16.04 installed in my pc
[21:13] <strive> Hello linuxlove !
[21:14] <linuxlove> i need to have double boot and install windows 10
[21:14] <linuxlove> i really cant imagine to lost my ubuntu after installing windows
[21:15] <linuxlove> is it possible for me in 100% to have both ?
[21:15] <strive> Very much so.
[21:15] <linuxlove> i need a functional solution for that
[21:16] <linuxlove> i am going to install windows now
[21:16] <strive> There are a multitude of guides online, here is one I have used in the past: https://www.tecmint.com/install-ubuntu-16-04-alongside-with-windows-10-or-8-in-dual-boot/
[21:17] <linuxlove> i had experience before
[21:17] <linuxlove> when i first installed windows
[21:17] <linuxlove> and then i installed ubuntu
[21:18] <strive> So it shouldn't be hard for you to follow that guide :)
[21:18] <linuxlove> but this time is difference and i have ubuntu installed and i want to install windows
[21:19] <vithiri> In my experience, Windows will find and nuke whatever else there's around. I always install anything else first. Hopefully, there are other ways.
[21:20] <vithiri> *last
[21:20] <strive> linuxlove: That sounds tricky. Normally, after Windows is installed it'll clear out the "MBR".
[21:20] <linuxlove> and how can i recover my linux?
[21:20] <strive> Windows then Ubuntu.
[21:21] <strive> Backup?
[21:21] <linuxlove> and while i dont want to lost this ubuntu
[21:21] <linuxlove> you mean there is no way ?
[21:22] <strive> That's not what I mean. Maybe there's an advanced way of doing it; I've never experieced that.
[21:22] <vithiri> Haven't found a way to fully prevent the Windows installer from messing up whatever else there may be around so far yet at least.
[21:22] <TJ-> linuxlove: is the PC using UEFI firmware, or BIOS?
[21:22] <Bashing-om> linuxlove: With Wondows installed last . will require that grub be RE-installed .
[21:22] <TJ-> linuxlove: if it is UEFI Windows will co-install with Ubuntu "nicely"
[21:22] <linuxlove> TJ-, how can i know that ?
[21:23] <strive> Yay! UEFI to the rescue.
[21:24] <TJ-> linuxlove: PC manual, or entering the firmware setup screens at boot-time, or if you're running Linux right now check that the EFI file-system exists with "ls /sys/firmware/efi/"
[21:24] <linuxlove> ls /sys/firmware/efi/
[21:24] <linuxlove> ls: cannot access '/sys/firmware/efi/': No such file or directory
[21:24] <strive> Uh oh.
[21:25] <TJ-> linuxlove: or check that "dpkg-query -l 'grub-efi*' " shows ^ii which means installed
[21:25] <TJ-> linuxlove: So, either the PC isn't using UEFI *or* you didn't install in UEFI mode (but the PC could still be UEFI)
[21:26] <linuxlove> https://pastebin.com/HRQEkhq2
[21:26] <linuxlove> it is what i see
[21:27] <linuxlove> what does it mean ?
[21:29] <TJ-> linuxlove: the "un" means UNinstalled - not installed, so no, not configured for UEFI
[21:29] <linuxlove> TJ-, it means that i cant install windows now?
[21:30] <TJ-> linuxlove: so you will need to deal with Windows wiping out GRUB. Tell me, is the boot disk using MBR or GPT disk label?
[21:30] <linuxlove> it is a bootable usb flash
[21:31] <linuxlove> i dont know it uses MBR or GPT
[21:32] <linuxlove> windows 10 is on a bootable usb flash
[21:32] <linuxlove> TJ-, how can i know?
[21:35] <linuxlove> TJ-, https://pastebin.com/ifz7xFpN
[21:38] <TJ-> linuxlove: are you planning on installing Windows into that drive (/dev/sda) ?
[21:38] <linuxlove> TJ-, https://pastebin.com/YdeGGHcw
[21:38] <linuxlove> TJ-, yess
[21:39] <TJ-> So you will install Windows into one of the existing partitions that currently is marked as a Linux ext4 file-system?
[21:39] <linuxlove> yess
[21:40] <linuxlove> i have ubuntu 14.04 and ubuntu 16.04
[21:40] <linuxlove> and i will install on one is free
[21:40] <TJ-> linuxlove: OK. I can give you a 'trick' that'll help you to quickly fix the lost GRUB once you've installed Windows. It'll still require you to boot from an Ubuntu LiveISO after installing Windows to apply the fix though
[21:41] <linuxlove> i have 2 bootable flash
[21:41] <TJ-> linuxlove: then once fixed you'll have to use GRUB to discover Windows and add it to the boot menu
[21:41] <linuxlove> one is include windows10
[21:42] <linuxlove> and one is include ubuntu 14.04
[21:42] <TJ-> linuxlove: I thought you said these devices are USB?
[21:42] <linuxlove> no
[21:43] <linuxlove> i can recover my linux OS after installing windows?
[21:43] <TJ-> linuxlove: earlier you said Windows 10 is on a bootable usb flash device
[21:43] <linuxlove> yess
[21:43] <TJ-> linuxlove: so if you just plug that in and choose that device to boot from, it won't affect the existing Linux install
[21:44] <TJ-> linuxlove: do you mean the Windows 10 *installer* is on the bootable USB flash?
[21:44] <linuxlove> it will effect
[21:44] <linuxlove> i tried on my laptop
[21:45] <linuxlove> i couldnt enter to my ubuntu after installing windows
[21:45] <linuxlove> grub diapeared
[21:45] <nacc> linuxlove: answer TJ-'s last question
[21:45] <TJ-> linuxlove: if you have 2 seperate bootable devices, 1 with Linux, 1 with Windows, and choose which to boot from using the motherboard's boot menu, you can boot to either device
[21:45] <TJ-> linuxlove: but if you *change* the *default* boot device in the motherboard setup to the Windows device, then it'll always boot to Windows
[21:46] <TJ-> linuxlove: in which case you'd need to press the motherboard's manual boot menu key at power-on to *manually* choose the device with Linux on
[21:46] <linuxlove> i need to have both linux and windows in grub
[21:47] <linuxlove> im really confused
[21:47] <linuxlove> in my laptop
[21:47] <TJ-> linuxlove: so, have both devices connected with the Linux device as the default set in the motherboard boot menu. Once Linux has started use "sudo update-grub" which will call "os-prober" which should discover the Windows installation and add it to the GRUB boot menu
[21:47] <linuxlove> i had ubuntu 14..04 installed
[21:48] <linuxlove> i installed windows and grup disapeared
[21:48] <linuxlove> okay
[21:48] <TJ-> linuxlove: if you install Windows after Linux on a single BIOS/MBR disk that is expected. Windows over-writes sector 0 of the disk which contains the bootstrap code of GRUB.
[21:49] <TJ-> linuxlove: so the fix is to boot from an Ubuntu LiveISO after Windows has been installed, and then repair the broken GRUB install.
[21:49] <linuxlove> great
[21:50] <linuxlove> you mean after installing windows i just need to have live boot in ubuntu and use sudo update-grub
[21:50] <TJ-> linuxlove: so as was said about 30 minutes ago, please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot#Installing_Windows_After_Ubuntu
[21:52] <TJ-> linuxlove: That, but mainly you save sector 0 of the boot disk before installing Windows, and then restore it from the LiveISO afterwards.
[21:52] <TJ-> linuxlove: you can do that now whilst you're still in Ubuntu. Save the file to a location you won't forget of course
[21:52] <linuxlove> TJ-, yess
[21:52] <linuxlove> i will note
[21:53] <linuxlove> dd if=/dev/sda of=/mbr.bin bs=446 count=1
[21:59] <linuxlove> TJ-, Mount your root partition in the LiveCD
[21:59] <linuxlove> what does it mean?
[22:04] <TJ-> linuxlove: let's assume whilst the LiveISO is booted it's know as /dev/sdb and the existing install disk is still /dev/sda
[22:06] <TJ-> linuxlove: if you run the "Try Ubuntu" option of the LiveISO you'll get a desktop. From there you start a command-line Terminal. Once there you'd do "udisksctl mount -b /dev/sda1" (since sda1 is the partition containing your current bootable Ubuntu).
[22:07] <linuxlove> okay got it
[22:07] <linuxlove> i have 2 partition include ubuntu
[22:07] <linuxlove> 14.04 and 16.04
[22:07] <TJ-> linuxlove: that will tell you where the device is mounted. If it tells you it's mounted at /media/sda then you can access the saved boot sector as /media/sda/mbr.bin. So running the command "sudo dd if=/media/sda/mbr.bin of=/dev/sda bs=446 count=1 will write the 1st 446 bytes of /media/sda/mbr.bin to sector 0 of the boot disk
[22:08] <TJ-> linuxlove: 2 installs doesn't matter, there's only one sector 0
[22:10] <linuxlove> TJ-, /dev/sda1 is ubuntu 16.04 that i am running now right?
[22:20] <baxx> how to view what version of something is in the repo?
[22:21] <TJ-> baxx: "apt-cache policy <package>"
[22:21] <nacc> baxx: apt-cache policy <pkgname>
[22:21] <nacc> baxx: or rmadison <pgkname> if you want to see the whole archive status
[22:22] <baxx> ok cool thanks
[22:24] <baxx> so running apt-cache policy default-jdk  doesn't seem to bring up the version number? The java version that Is
[22:25] <TJ-> baxx: you'd need to know the name of the package. "apt-cache search -n ^openjdk"
[22:25] <kus_ubuntui686> trying to install artful on a virtualbox vm inside xenial and it says it was not possible to install the bootloader at that location. what do?
[22:25] <baxx> also - do you use OPEN jdk or DEFAULT jdk , ?
[22:25] <baxx> TJ-: that was the package name i thought :/ I'll try with the other one, thanks
[22:25] <kus_ubuntui686> trying to install artful on a virtualbox vm inside xenial and it says it was not possible to install the bootloader at that location. what do? artful-beta-2 none of the buttons works
[22:25] <nacc> baxx: that is the package version
[22:26] <nacc> baxx: package version not necessarily = language version
[22:26] <nacc> baxx: default-jdk, in particular, is just a metapackage that helps install the default jdk
[22:26] <baxx> nacc: yeah it just had this though, there wasn't a language version there that i could see , from policy
[22:26] <baxx> nacc: ah ok
[22:26] <TJ-> kus_ubuntui686: sounds like the device being installed to isn't correctly partitioned, and hasn't left space for GRUB's core image
[22:27] <TJ-> kus_ubuntui686: did you allow the installer to choose partitioning automatically?
[22:29] <kus_ubuntui686> yes
[22:29] <baxx> Oh Ubuntu seems to have a current version of java in the repo :) cool
[22:29] <TJ-> kus_ubuntui686: and is there only a single logical 'disk' allocated to the VM?
[22:30] <kus_ubuntui686> yes I will try again
[22:31] <TJ-> kus_ubuntui686: I'd recommend checking the hash/checksum of the ISO installer image in case it is corrupted
[22:31] <TJ-> kus_ubuntui686: rule out all the obvious, easy, things first
[22:32] <TJ-> kus_ubuntui686: i've seen that issue with multiple disks connected where the installer has picked the wrong one to put the bootloader on
[22:32] <kus_ubuntui686> maybe because I chose LVM?
[22:33] <kus_ubuntui686> I will try without LVM
[22:35] <TJ-> No, with LVM it'll work fine usually. It still partitions automatically and makes one partition an LVM PV. It should still ensure sufficient space is reserved at the start of the disk. IS it installing to an MBR or GPT disk label?
[22:36] <kus_ubuntui686> md5 looks fine. Maybe because the disk wasn't a new one but I reused an old vm disk? not sure about mbr or gpt e47df00b078b5f9daed0871f0e90d33f e47df00b078b5f9daed0871f0e90d33f
[22:37] <baxx> oh the install failed. crap
[22:37] <baxx>  
[22:37] <baxx>  
[22:38] <baxx> ErrorMessage: trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/jvm/java-9-openjdk-amd64/include/linux/jawt_md.h', which is also in package openjdk-9-jdk-headless:amd64 9~b107-0ubuntu1  , hrm
[22:39] <TJ-> kus_ubuntui686: well that's good then. Did you use the "Try Ubuntu" option and then fire off the installer? I was wondering if therefore you can use the terminal to figure out what is wrong
[22:41] <TJ-> baxx: have you previously installed a similar java version from somewhere other than the archive?
[22:41] <baxx> TJ-: not to my knowledge, i just rm -rf'd the /usr/lib/jvm and tried again
[22:41] <baxx> which might not have been wise , it didn't work
[22:42] <TJ-> baxx: which ubuntu release are you using?
[22:42] <baxx> 16.04
[22:42] <TJ-> baxx: that kind of package-content conflict is not supposed to happen
[22:42] <TJ-> baxx: what was the 'apt install ...' command you issued that resulted in that error?
[22:42] <baxx> hrm, i have the full report
[22:42] <baxx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-9/+bug/1550950 < TJ-
[22:43] <TJ-> baxx: right, a bug!
[22:43] <baxx> TJ-: cool, not my fault then :')
[22:44] <TJ-> baxx: I'm dismayed that the bug-task for 16.04 (an LTS) has been left since February
[22:44] <baxx> surprised? Or just disappointed
[22:45] <oerheks> apt install -f ?
[22:45] <baxx> i'll try
[22:46] <baxx> if i upgrade now i get a bit error message :P
[22:46] <baxx> oerheks: no that doesn't seem to have worked
[22:46] <TJ-> I can think of a way to workaround it, using dpkg-divert
[22:46] <nacc> well, no one should be using openjdk 9 on xenial
[22:46] <nacc> it onnly went GA about a month ago
[22:47] <baxx> GA, ?
[22:47] <nacc> no one may be a bit strong, but you get the idea
[22:47] <nacc> general availability, actually released
[22:47] <nacc> http://openjdk.java.net/projects/jdk9/
[22:47] <baxx> right well if it's me  GA then it should work really on a LTS
[22:47] <baxx> i guess ? Idk, all good
[22:47] <nacc> baxx: you understand 16.04 came out more than a year before jdk9 went GA?
[22:48] <baxx> this is the apt upgrade error : http://vpaste.net/XrFyT
[22:48] <nacc> what you're asking for is an impossibliity
[22:48] <TJ-> the version in the archive is a beta but the package shouldn't contain a packaging bug
[22:48] <nacc> TJ-: the package bug was in debian and no one cared at the time, tbh
[22:48] <oerheks> ugly would be: sudo apt-get -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install openjdk-9-jdk
[22:48] <nacc> but yeah, it can be fixed, should be, but it's in universe :)
[22:48] <nacc> so if someone wants to fix it, it's presumably easy enough to do
[22:48] <baxx> so what do i do now? install 8 ?
[22:49] <TJ-> baxx: "sudo dpkg-divert --package openjdk-9-jdk-headless --divert /usr/lib/jvm/java-9-openjdk-amd64/include/linux/jawt_md.h.distrib --rename /usr/lib/jvm/java-9-openjdk-amd64/include/linux/jawt_md.h "
[22:49] <baxx> TJ-: i'm happy to use 8 instead btw
[22:49] <baxx> i'll try that
[22:49] <TJ-> baxx: that'll make all packages *except* opendk-9-jdj-headless install that file to a different filename
[22:49] <baxx> can i just delete everything openjdk-9-blah related?
[22:50] <TJ-> baxx: you mean as in "sudo apt remove openjdk-9*" ?
[22:50] <baxx> wasn't sure if it was purge or something
[22:51] <baxx> so i've removed that and i'll try 8, thanks
[22:51] <TJ-> baxx: purge is to also remove system configuration files (for services, etc.)
[22:51] <linuxlove> TJ-,
[22:51] <TJ-> linuxlove: ? did you get your dual-boot working?
[22:52] <linuxlove> i couldnt enter to my bootable flash
[22:52] <linuxlove> when i used f12
[22:52] <TJ-> linuxlove: you mean the device wasn't listed, or it was listed but trying to boot to it failed in some way?
[22:53] <linuxlove> no i couldnt see usb flash
[22:53] <linuxlove> it wasnt listed there
[22:53] <TJ-> linuxlove: then the device isn't bootable, or the motherboard firmware doesn't recognise it as bootable
[22:53] <linuxlove> i just saw atapi i think
[22:54] <baxx> java seems alright now, thanks
[22:54] <linuxlove> and a device that it was in the long words
[22:55] <TJ-> linuxlove: ATAPI is the interface to an ISO9660 CDROM device
[22:58] <linuxlove> TJ-,
[22:58] <TJ-> linuxlove: ATAPI is the interface to an ISO9660 CDROM device
[22:58] <linuxlove> i used usb3
[22:58] <linuxlove> i have two options now
[22:58] <linuxlove> toshiba transmemory
[22:58] <linuxlove> and uefi:toshiba transmemory
[22:59] <linuxlove> which should i choose?
[22:59] <TJ-> linuxlove: are you sure that PC doesn't have UEFI? listing a device as ATAPI hints that the form of the interface is important. Usually for BIOS it isn't and it'd just list CDROM
[22:59] <bazhang> linuxlove, please dont use enter as punctuation
[22:59] <TJ-> linuxlove: aha, so you DO have UEFI!
[22:59] <TJ-> linuxlove: I'm sure I asked earlier and got the answer that it isn't UEFI. That changes everything, again!
[23:00] <TJ-> linuxlove: With UEFI you can boot to multiple OSes independently without one affecting or overwriting another
[23:00] <linuxlove> TJ-, i sent for you output from command line
[23:00] <linuxlove> you mean i should choose UEFI?
[23:00] <TJ-> linuxlove: yes, which only showed that Linux was NOT installed in UEFI mode. I also told you to find out if the system is UEFI you have to check in the firmware setup at boot time. You've now confirmed it does have UEFI at boot time :)
[23:01] <linuxlove> about before steps
[23:01] <linuxlove> we should ignore them ?
[23:01] <TJ-> linuxlove: Whether you *can* boot those images in UEFI mode depends on if they are UEFI images or not. We know your ubuntu 16.04 in sda1 is NOT UEFI bootable. So the question is whether the device with Windows installed on it is UEFI bootable or not
[23:02] <TJ-> linuxlove: let's hold that question for now until we have complete information
[23:02] <linuxlove> what should i do at moment
[23:02] <ignoo> White man came across the sea He brought us pain and misery He killed our tribes, he killed our creed He took our game for his own need We fought him hard, we fought him well Out on the plains, we gave him hell But many came, too much for Cree Oh, will we ever be set free?
[23:03] <ignoo> :D to my dear ubuntu again.
[23:03] <TJ-> linuxlove: let me try to draw a picture that is easier to understand. Ideally what you need is [PC.UEFI]->[DISK.GPT]->[OS.UEFI]
[23:03] <linuxlove> i should choose uefi:toshibatransmemory ?
[23:03] <bazhang> ignoo, thats completely offtopic here
[23:03] <linuxlove> TJ-, okay
[23:03] <ignoo> there's no free gnome channel for ubuntu
[23:04] <ignoo> O_O
[23:04] <TJ-> linuxlove: but, we already know you have, for 16.04, [PC.UEFI]->[DISK.MBR]->[OS.BIOS]
[23:04] <linuxlove> yes
[23:04] <TJ-> linuxlove: now, if for the device with Windows on you have [PC.UEFI]->[DISK.GPT]->[Windows.UEFI] you could boot Windows using UEFI mode and Linux using BIOS mode
[23:06] <linuxlove> you mean i should change mode every time that i need to enter to difference OSs?
[23:06] <TJ-> linuxlove: *however*, if the Windows device is [DISK.MBR] then you can't boot it in UEFI mode. That then means to have a dual-boot with both devices connected you'll need to configure your UEFI firmware boot options to use BIOS/CSM mode *and* set the Linux device as the primary boot device.
[23:07] <TJ-> linuxlove: that way, the system will always boot from the device containing GRUB. So as long as update-grub discovers the Windows OS install and adds it to its menu, you can dual boot without Windows overwriting any GRUB files at all
[23:07] <linuxlove> TJ-, you have complete information
[23:08] <linuxlove> just tell me what should i do at moment to have dual boot
[23:08] <TJ-> linuxlove: BUT ... if you want to move/install Windows onto the same device as Linux is on, then you've got to potentially deal with that boot sector 0 save/restore workaround
[23:09] <linuxlove> i just want to change between linux and windows in one grub
[23:09] <TJ-> linuxlove: connect both devices, in the motherboard's boot options set the Linux device to be the primary boot device. Boot to it (as I assume you have done right now) and the use "sudo update-grub" which should discover Windows and add it to GRUB's boot menu
[23:10] <linuxlove> but if i can do some way
[23:10] <linuxlove> to separated both OSs to prevent from effect to each other
[23:10] <linuxlove> this is a better way
[23:11] <TJ-> linuxlove: That's just what I've described to you
[23:11] <linuxlove> yes you said
[23:11] <linuxlove> but please get this easy
[23:11] <linuxlove> i restart now and use f12
[23:12] <linuxlove> and i choose uefi:toshibatransmemory
[23:12] <linuxlove> right?
[23:13] <linuxlove> in the motherboard's boot options set the Linux device to be the primary boot device after installing windows??
[23:14] <TJ-> linuxlove: no, because that suggests you're asking to boot in UEFI mode. Doesn't the system boot into the Linux device by default already?
[23:15] <linuxlove> yess
[23:15] <linuxlove> it boots to grub
[23:15] <linuxlove> and i see ubuntu 14.04 and ubuntu 16.04
[23:15] <TJ-> OK, which is what you want. Does the PC still boot with GRUB when the Windows device is connected?
[23:16] <linuxlove> yes it is what i want
[23:16] <linuxlove> i want to move between linux and windows in same grub
[23:18] <TJ-> right, so with Linux booted "sudo update-grub" should add Windows to the GRUB boot menu.
[23:18] <linuxlove> okay
[23:19] <linuxlove> then i should choose toshibaransmemory without UEFi right?
[23:19] <TJ-> linuxlove: if you don't see Windows listed, then that is a problem with the os-prober tool that GRUB calls not finding it
[23:19] <linuxlove> i have not installed windows yet
[23:19] <TJ-> linuxlove: I think so, but not being able to see the PC I can't be 100% sure.
[23:20] <linuxlove> i really cant imagine that i lost my ubuntu
[23:21] <linuxlove> i can ignore windows if it is possible that i couldnt boot into my ubuntu
[23:21] <linuxlove> if you are sure that i can boot to my ubuntu i continue this way
[23:22] <linuxlove> just tell me whats your idea ?
[23:23] <linuxlove> TJ-, ignore or continue?
[23:25] <linuxlove> there?
[23:27] <linuxlove> what should i do ?
[23:27] <linuxlove> if i choose uefi mode
[23:28] <linuxlove> and install windows in UEFI
[23:28] <linuxlove> and change bios setting to uefi
[23:28] <linuxlove> i can just see windows
[23:29] <TJ-> linuxlove: I thought you said the USB device containing windows was a pre-installed Windows. Are you now saying that is just the Windows installer?
[23:29] <linuxlove> TJ-, yes
[23:30] <oerheks> install windows 1st, then ubuntu in uefi mode too, with the uefi manual, 100 mb fat32 partition, etc etc
[23:31] <linuxlove> it is a bootable flash usb that installs windows 10 on /dev/sda6 that i formatted it to ntfs with gparted already
[23:31] <TJ-> linuxlove: you'd have to completely repartition/reformat the disk that currently has Linux on it, if you want both Linux and Windows on it booting in UEFI mode
[23:32] <linuxlove> TJ-, i cant do it
[23:32] <linuxlove> and about other way ?
[23:32] <TJ-> linuxlove: if you're installing to the existing Linux disk, which is using [PC.BIOS]->[DISK.MBR]->{OS.BIOS] mode then Windows has to also install in BIOS/MBR mode, which means Windows installer *will* overwrite sector 0 of the disk
[23:32] <gswallow> Grr Oracle.
[23:33] <TJ-> linuxlove: so you'll need to save boot sector 0 as that wiki page shows, and restore it afterwards using the Ubuntu LiveISO.
[23:33] <linuxlove> TJ-, okay
[23:34] <linuxlove> then i should choose toshibatransmemory only
[23:34] <linuxlove> and install windows
[23:34] <linuxlove> then i enter to usb live ubuntu
[23:34] <oerheks> backup your important data :-)
[23:34] <linuxlove> oerheks, why??
[23:35] <TJ-> linuxlove: I believe so yes
[23:35] <TJ-> linuxlove: backup in case you make a silly mistake!
[23:35] <oerheks> oh wait, without backup, it is not important data.
[23:38] <ignoo> hello, running ubuntu GNOME 16.04, have some issue with ubuntu ArtfulAardvark: https://pastebin.com/W1tBbqpq . Thank you for your support.
[23:43] <fpapa> I am having issues installing oracle-java8-installer from ppa:webupd8team/java because of an Oracle resource that was apparently moved. Is this worth filing a bug on Launchpad?
[23:43] <linuxlove> TJ-,
[23:44] <linuxlove> i was in mistake usb flash
[23:44] <linuxlove> it was ubuntu
[23:44] <linuxlove> i changed usb flash
[23:44] <linuxlove> and there was just one option and siliconpower usb flash without UEFI
[23:45] <oerheks> fpapa, that happens , maybe your ubuntu distro is EOL, end of support,
[23:45] <linuxlove> it is usb flash of ubuntu 14.04
[23:45] <linuxlove>  i continued
[23:45] <linuxlove> and when i arrived to choosing partition for linux
[23:46] <linuxlove> for windows^^
[23:46] <linuxlove> i formatted the partition
[23:46] <linuxlove> and it was logical
[23:46] <fpapa> oerheks, I am using a Docker ubuntu 16.04 image
[23:46] <linuxlove> but windows couldnt installed on that partition
[23:46] <linuxlove> what should i do ?
[23:48] <linuxlove> Please unmount any logical partitions having a number higher than 6
[23:48] <linuxlove> TJ-, what should i do in this step ?
[23:49] <FrEtEgI> afternoon guys
[23:50] <FrEtEgI> so installed ubuntu-server.  trying to build a raid 1 with an encrypted lvm on it
[23:50] <linuxlove> why cant i delete a logical partition ?
[23:50] <FrEtEgI> dm-crypt the way to go on that?
[23:51] <oerheks> fpapa, maybe you need to set docker to accept the license, see https://github.com/mlaccetti/docker-oracle-java8-ubuntu-16.04/blob/master/Dockerfile
[23:51] <oerheks> RUN echo "oracle-java8-installer shared/accepted-oracle-license-v1-1 select true" | debconf-set-selections
[23:52] <Bashing-om> linuxlove: Windows will not intall to a logical partition . You must figure out another partitoning scheme .. OR delete the contents of a present primary partition .
[23:55] <TJ-> FrEtEgI: either DISK>PART>LUKS>PV... or DISK>PART>PV>VG>LV>LUKS>FS - depends how much FDE you want
[23:56] <FrEtEgI> TJ-: well just finished sync'ing the raid device.  starting with /dev/md0 completed
[23:57] <linuxlove> TJ-, i cant install windows and i failed
[23:57] <linuxlove> because of logical partition
[23:57] <FrEtEgI> TJ-: so guess just continue on building the the lvm, then luks, then fs...
[23:58] <oerheks> install windows 1st, then <linux> uefi mode too, with the uefi manual, 100 mb fat32 partition, etc etc
[23:59] <fpapa> oerheks, thanks for the suggestion, but I was accepting the license. The Docker file you pointed to errors out the same way: 404 code because the Oracle JDK resource cannot be found. My script worked this morning, so it seems something changed in the last few hours