[07:23] <flocculant> bluesabre: re artful plus ppa's - could we try and get together before bb is too old to plan that? 
[07:23] <flocculant> don't want to leave it too long - earlier people are using it the better for you :D
[07:33] <Unit193> Any ideas yet on the plan for that?
[09:50] <bluesabre> flocculant, Unit193: we could add some packages to xubuntu-staging since that's kind of it's purpose
[09:50] <bluesabre> Could also add a new template to xfpanel-switch to upgrade their panel
[09:51] <bluesabre> We also have a login script that runs (that's how templates get updated)
[09:54] <bluesabre> If we have any other ideas for what we want to do or how we want to do it, I'm game :)
[09:54] <Unit193> Still not sure exactly the goal, but at least currently I think the point of staging differs.
[09:56] <bluesabre> I kind of fits... "This is a staging PPA for Xubuntu. The packages and package versions in this PPA are being prepared for inclusion in Xubuntu. The packages are uploaded for the convenience of people testing these new package versions and features. Some of them are daily builds used in testing."
[09:57] <bluesabre> But I'm also cool with setting up a different one for this purpose
[10:07] <bluesabre> flocculant: tweaked the formatting on the release notes
[10:11] <bluesabre> Unit193: the basic goal is to get people testing and reporting bugs early for some of the new things we want to include
[10:28] <bluesabre> there we go, pretty happy with the release note now
[11:02]  * flocculant trots off to undo formatting on release note :D
[11:52] <knome> working on the release announcement
[11:56] <knome> draft: https://xubuntu.org/?p=4339&preview=true
[16:35] <flocculant> knome: thanks :)
[17:13] <knome> no worries
[17:13] <knome> i'll have time again tomorrow as situations changed
[17:13] <flocculant> also I did look
[17:14] <knome> anything silly?
[17:14] <flocculant> nope
[17:14] <knome> you happy with the picked highlights/issues?
[17:14] <flocculant> yep - iirc :D
[17:14] <knome> haha
[17:15] <knome> well i'm sure if you weren't, you'd remember and remind me :P
[17:15] <flocculant> definitely happy with the encrypt one :D
[17:15] <knome> :)
[17:16] <flocculant> yep - just checked 
[17:16] <flocculant> any of the other listed ones are a bit 'appearancy'
[17:16] <flocculant> or parole
[17:16] <knome> also a slight change from the 17.04 announcement; now pointing out that users might want to wait until 18.04
[17:17] <flocculant> yea saw that - good call
[17:18] <flocculant> knome: might be worth mentioning parole - believe that generally issue there is 32 bit rather than both arch's
[17:18] <knome> oh
[17:18] <flocculant> but - not bug #'s, just comment
[17:18] <knome> well you're editing
[17:18] <knome> :P
[17:18] <knome> anyway, bbl
[17:18] <flocculant> no I'm not :D
[17:19] <flocculant> and yep - cya later
[19:33] <ochosi> does anyone here have a gtk2 panel handy for testing?
[19:38] <flocculant> not me - unless in a vm?
[19:39] <flocculant> not even sure whether we gtk2 or 3 panel in current image
[19:39]  * flocculant is totally lost on what's what now :)
[19:42] <flocculant> ochosi: could boot a 16.04 iso if that helps
[19:43] <ochosi> hehe
[19:44] <ochosi> nobody has a gtk3 panel in any distro yet afaik
[19:44] <flocculant> oh well - then yea :)
[19:44] <ochosi> the main part i would like to ask you to check is when using "autohide" or "intelligent hiding" whether there is a small delay when showing/hiding the panel
[19:45] <flocculant> in my daily - small delay when showing/hiding 
[19:46] <flocculant> in 16.04 live and 17.10 live - small delay when showing/hiding
[21:08] <ochosi> flocculant: ok, good to know. that delay is broken in gtk3 :/
[21:25] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-notifyd 0.4.0 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-xfce4-notifyd-0-4-0-released-tp49931.html (by Simon Steinbeiss)
[22:23] <bluesabre> evening all
[22:27] <bluesabre> knome: announcement looks good