[00:56] <luisoliv> em guys, is ubuntu 17.10 already out there?
[00:57] <TJ-> !release
[00:57] <TJ-> !beta
[00:57] <TJ-> drat! what's the factoid for the release date?
[00:57] <luisoliv> ty, i needed that last command
[00:57] <TJ-> end of month I think
[00:58] <luisoliv> oh i see
[02:36] <hggdh> !isitout
[08:48] <liuxg> when I run a command inside a container like "ssh root@$IPADDR lxc-attach -P /usr/lib/lm_containers -n ivi -- ls *.rpm", it complains "ls: *.rpm: No such file or directory". does it mean that I cannot use * inside the command? If I remove the *, it runs well. what should I do? thanks
[08:50] <Faux> You can sometimes use sh -c 'ls *.rpm'
[08:51] <Faux> Quoting / commands over ssh is a *nightmare*, it's almost always easier to write a script and pipe it into "ssh root@host bash".
[08:52] <liuxg> Faux, thanks for your tips. I will have a try for it
[08:54] <Faux> printf '#!/bin/sh\nprintf "== %%s ==\\n" "$@"\n' > debug-args.sh && chmod a+x debug-args.sh && ssh localhost ./debug-args.sh foo 'bar baz' quux
[08:55] <liuxg> Faux, thanks your method works.
[12:16] <rebbel1> good day
[12:17] <rebbel1> i deleted sda with windows 10 on it, installed ubuntu 17.04 on sdb2 from Live CD, no bootable device found
[12:20] <freakyy> rebbel1: u have to install grub ... on the right device
[12:20] <freakyy> try putting grub on /dev/sda
[12:38] <rebbel1> thanks freaky
[12:38] <rebbel1> thanks freakyy
[12:39] <rebbel1> can i create a new sda with grub in Gparted ?
[17:23] <v3n0m> ubuntu 17.10 slow boot 
[17:26] <lordcirth_work> v3n0m, "systemd-analyze critical-chain" ?
[17:26] <v3n0m> where's the bin?
[17:26] <v3n0m> pastebin?
[17:26] <lordcirth_work> !paste
[17:27] <lordcirth_work> pastebinit is handy
[17:27] <v3n0m> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25767102/
[17:27] <v3n0m> Also, sometimes it took once almost 50 seconds in systemd-analyze 
[17:27] <v3n0m> kernel boot + user space
[17:29] <oerheks> is that slow?
[17:29] <lordcirth_work> v3n0m, look through dmesg for errors; are you on a hard drive, if so, what rpm?
[17:29] <v3n0m> command please
[17:30] <lordcirth_work> dmesg | grep -i error | less
[17:30] <lordcirth_work> Ought to catch most things
[17:30] <v3n0m> Its 5-6 seconds longer than usual from ubuntu 17.04
[17:30] <v3n0m> and it once took almost 50 seconds
[17:31] <v3n0m> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25767140/
[17:31] <v3n0m> here it is
[17:32] <lordcirth_work> v3n0m, so, is the OS installed on a hard drive or SSD?
[17:32] <v3n0m> I think when I shut the computer down and turn it on it takes more time. Rebooting I guess take less. I don't seem to notice the difference but systemd-analyze tells me.
[17:32] <v3n0m> hard drive.
[17:32] <lordcirth_work> So, 50s is not absurdly long for a full desktop boot on a hard drive.
[17:33] <v3n0m> But that wasn't the case on ubuntu 17.04
[17:33] <v3n0m> you are not getting the point.
[17:34] <lordcirth_work> v3n0m, 5 seconds longer than 17.04?
[17:34] <v3n0m> Yeah, and it once took 50 seconds
[17:34] <v3n0m> I mean the kernel takes only 3 seconds or so
[17:34] <v3n0m> the user space programs take time
[17:34] <lordcirth_work> v3n0m, are you on wifi or ethernet?  I notice networkmanager is taking a long time
[17:34] <v3n0m> wifi
[17:35] <lordcirth_work> 50% chance it's wifi causing the delay
[17:35] <v3n0m> Yeah, I had a network not connecting problem in my university campus. Can be because of that
[17:35] <v3n0m> But still, is there a way to decrease the boot time even more?
[17:36] <v3n0m> some grub config maybe? I know that has nothing to do with systemd-analyze but I just like my machine booting up fastly.
[17:36] <lordcirth_work> v3n0m, yeah, I get that :) I once spent a day tweaking Gentoo to get 28s from grub to login.
[17:37] <v3n0m> Yeah.
[17:37] <lordcirth_work> v3n0m, if your grub is showing a menu during boot, and you don't need that, you can skip that
[17:37] <v3n0m> Also, the logo appears like just for a second. Its just pink screen. No, it's hidden. The hidden thing is enabled I guess.
[17:38] <lordcirth_work> If you aren't using snapd - most people don't - you can run 'systemctl disable snapd'
[17:38] <v3n0m> its the Ubuntu snaps feature?
[17:39] <lordcirth_work> Personally I remove the 'quiet splash' text from the grub settings.  Probably doesn't speed up much but it's cooler and better for troubleshooting
[17:39] <v3n0m> lordcirth_work: the drive is fine right no problems? I gave you a pastebin of it.
[17:39] <v3n0m> I just like the ubuntu logo
[17:40] <lordcirth_work> v3n0m, I don't see a paste of drive info? 'smartctl -a /dev/sda' will get drive health
[17:40] <v3n0m> actually, I am talking about the demsg errors
[17:40] <v3n0m> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25767140/
[17:41] <lordcirth_work> Oh yeah nothing there.
[17:42] <oerheks> lloks like sda2 is flaulty, mounted read-only
[17:42] <oerheks> c/looks
[17:43] <v3n0m> Anyone used tor here? I had done proxy settings in torrc file since my campus has proxy set up but I used to do an https proxy and it would work in archlinux but I haven't been able to make it work in 17.04. Not tested in this one. But the tor process just gets active (exited) by seeing the status of the tor service.
[17:43] <v3n0m> what sort of problem?
[17:43] <v3n0m> sda2 is my root partition. How can it be read only?
[17:44] <oerheks> ..
[17:44] <v3n0m> why are you saying it's faulty?
[17:45] <nacc> oerheks: the prior paste just shows that the option to remount ro on errors is set, it doesn't say it is mounted ro yet
[17:45] <oerheks> oh oke, then why posting the message..
[17:45] <v3n0m> so why is this behaviour?
[17:46] <v3n0m> is it trouble worthy nacc?
[17:46] <oerheks> and quick change subject to tor. ..
[17:47] <v3n0m> ??
[17:48] <v3n0m> what do you mean oerheks? I wasn't changing subject. I had that problem too but you sort of put me wondering that is there a problem with sda2?
[17:48] <lordcirth_work> v3n0m, no, it's fine.
[17:48] <lordcirth_work> v3n0m, for TOR you'll probably need a different channel
[17:49] <v3n0m> okay
[17:49] <v3n0m> So is that error to everybody?
[17:50] <v3n0m> btw, I am on the devlopment release. Tomorrow, when Ubuntu 17.10 is released officialy, I will update to the point release right? No need to reinstall?
[17:50] <lordcirth_work> v3n0m, ? the second line there is just saying that your filesystem was mounted with a setting that will go read-only if there's an error
[17:51] <lordcirth_work> v3n0m, yeah just updating works I think
[17:51] <v3n0m> I mean that thing comes in everybody's demsg error or not?
[17:52] <vithiri> Anyone else experiencing that the battery status icon doesn't update to reflect the actual battery levels currently? If I click the indicators, the actual level displays in the menu.
[17:52] <lordcirth_work> v3n0m, the command I gave is not finding all errors, it's looking for all messages that contain the word "error".  Slight difference.
[17:52] <v3n0m> okay
[17:52] <lordcirth_work> And yeah, it's normal.
[17:52] <v3n0m> so its fine
[17:53] <v3n0m> Alright. You think that I will be updated to the point release or are you sure? There is a big different between these two.
[17:54] <v3n0m> btw, tweaks isn't present by default?
[17:55] <jbicha> v3n0m: there are no point releases for non-LTS releases like Ubuntu 17.10
[17:56] <jbicha> the Tweaks app is not installed by default but it's easy to install
[17:56] <v3n0m> so what's the 17.10 release called then?
[17:56] <jbicha> Ubuntu 17.10
[17:56] <v3n0m> haha
[17:57] <v3n0m> but still if a person upgrades from 17.04 won't it be a point release then?
[17:57] <jbicha> but the most recent LTS is Ubuntu 16.04.3
[17:57] <jbicha> we use the term "point release" to talk about that final 3rd part of the number which is only present for LTS releases
[17:57] <v3n0m> Actually, I was wondering that whether the pacakges in 16.04.3 gets updated
[17:58] <jbicha> all Ubuntu releases get security and bug fixes
[17:58] <v3n0m> Like seriously it will be like really long about 2 years to get new versions
[17:58] <jbicha> but if you want brand new versions of software, you (usually) have to upgrade to a new Ubuntu release
[17:58] <v3n0m> like some software might have changed or devloped much
[17:58] <jbicha> or you can use snap's
[17:58] <v3n0m> does a point release provide updated software?
[17:59] <jbicha> no, it's just regular security and bug fixes (and an updated kernel and some graphics drivers)
[17:59] <oerheks> LTS gives stable packages, not the *newest* , yet it gets security updates backported
[17:59] <jbicha> it's just more convenient to install from a point release that has a lot of those bug fixes pre-installed instead of having to download as much afterwards
[17:59] <lordcirth_work> newer minor versions, not major versions, in general
[18:00] <v3n0m> 2 years is a long time and software change a lot in that time
[18:00] <lordcirth_work> v3n0m, yep, that's what ppas are for
[18:00] <v3n0m> so that's what I am asking. Like is the software never updated.
[18:00] <lordcirth_work> I have haproxy 1.7 from a ppa, for example
[18:00] <v3n0m> But I don't really trust ppas.
[18:01] <v3n0m> They can break my system.
[18:01] <oerheks> " Like is the software never updated" is not true
[18:01] <lordcirth_work> v3n0m, well you shouldn't automatically trust them; but when the developer is the one making them, they are safe
[18:01] <v3n0m> So yeah, but still you have the worry of dependency conflict
[18:01] <v3n0m> And some dependencies which migh be newer
[18:01] <lordcirth_work> v3n0m, depends on what software you are installing
[18:01] <v3n0m> and cause problems to your software
[18:02] <lordcirth_work> Don't ever install glibc from ppa, lol
[18:02] <v3n0m> already installed or ones you want to install
[18:02] <v3n0m> not much. I would prefer nvidia drivers and some programming ides etc
[18:02] <lordcirth_work> Well, if you want newer stuff, then upgrade every 6 months instead of using LTS's.
[18:03] <v3n0m> nvidia drivers from ppa are safe?
[18:03] <v3n0m> how about backports?
[18:03] <v3n0m> in lts
[18:04] <oerheks> backports are tested, sure
[18:04] <oerheks> i just wonder why you ask if they are 'safe'..
[18:04] <v3n0m> so safe then.
[18:05] <v3n0m> I mean that won't really cause problems to my system in terms of dependency
[18:06] <lordcirth_work> v3n0m, the great thing about digital systems is that it's trivial to reinstall and load your backups
[18:09] <v3n0m> well can you answer my question please?
[18:10] <lordcirth_work> v3n0m, I don't know everything, most ppas don't break things, use common sense and have backups
[18:10] <lordcirth_work> I use nvidia ppa drivers, as do many others, and they are generally pretty stable
[18:31] <oerheks> proposed repo, is what you should avoid, unless you have a *reason* for it.
[18:31] <oerheks> backports are fine
[18:32] <oerheks> but you will find no backports in 17.10, it is not out yet.
[18:52] <ignoo> Hello,running ubuntu GNOME 16.04, have some issues with ubuntu Artful Aardvark: https://pastebin.com/BgBHExes ; Thank you for your Support.
[23:07] <ke-esc> Hello all. I have 17.10 running on my PC with an nvidia card. The monitors won't power off after delay. I tried running 'vbetool dpms off' but it throws an error that open/dev/mem is not permitted
[23:07] <ke-esc> Any thoughts?
[23:09] <nacc> ke-esc: did you try with sudo?
[23:09] <ke-esc> nacc, yes, ran that with sudo