| luisoliv | em guys, is ubuntu 17.10 already out there? | 00:56 |
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| TJ- | !release | 00:57 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 9 months (non-LTS) or 5 years (LTS). More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases | 00:57 |
| TJ- | !beta | 00:57 |
| ubottu | If you install a development version of Ubuntu Artful and keep up with package updates, then you will be upgraded to the official release of 17.10 when it comes out. To make sure, type « sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade » in a terminal. | 00:57 |
| TJ- | drat! what's the factoid for the release date? | 00:57 |
| luisoliv | ty, i needed that last command | 00:57 |
| TJ- | end of month I think | 00:57 |
| luisoliv | oh i see | 00:58 |
| hggdh | !isitout | 02:36 |
| ubottu | Nope, it's not out yet. Check back on Thursday! | 02:36 |
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| liuxg | when I run a command inside a container like "ssh root@$IPADDR lxc-attach -P /usr/lib/lm_containers -n ivi -- ls *.rpm", it complains "ls: *.rpm: No such file or directory". does it mean that I cannot use * inside the command? If I remove the *, it runs well. what should I do? thanks | 08:48 |
| Faux | You can sometimes use sh -c 'ls *.rpm' | 08:50 |
| Faux | Quoting / commands over ssh is a *nightmare*, it's almost always easier to write a script and pipe it into "ssh root@host bash". | 08:51 |
| liuxg | Faux, thanks for your tips. I will have a try for it | 08:52 |
| Faux | printf '#!/bin/sh\nprintf "== %%s ==\\n" "$@"\n' > debug-args.sh && chmod a+x debug-args.sh && ssh localhost ./debug-args.sh foo 'bar baz' quux | 08:54 |
| liuxg | Faux, thanks your method works. | 08:55 |
| rebbel1 | good day | 12:16 |
| rebbel1 | i deleted sda with windows 10 on it, installed ubuntu 17.04 on sdb2 from Live CD, no bootable device found | 12:17 |
| freakyy | rebbel1: u have to install grub ... on the right device | 12:20 |
| freakyy | try putting grub on /dev/sda | 12:20 |
| rebbel1 | thanks freaky | 12:38 |
| rebbel1 | thanks freakyy | 12:38 |
| rebbel1 | can i create a new sda with grub in Gparted ? | 12:39 |
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| v3n0m | ubuntu 17.10 slow boot | 17:23 |
| lordcirth_work | v3n0m, "systemd-analyze critical-chain" ? | 17:26 |
| v3n0m | where's the bin? | 17:26 |
| v3n0m | pastebin? | 17:26 |
| lordcirth_work | !paste | 17:26 |
| ubottu | For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. | 17:26 |
| lordcirth_work | pastebinit is handy | 17:27 |
| v3n0m | http://paste.ubuntu.com/25767102/ | 17:27 |
| v3n0m | Also, sometimes it took once almost 50 seconds in systemd-analyze | 17:27 |
| v3n0m | kernel boot + user space | 17:27 |
| oerheks | is that slow? | 17:29 |
| lordcirth_work | v3n0m, look through dmesg for errors; are you on a hard drive, if so, what rpm? | 17:29 |
| v3n0m | command please | 17:29 |
| lordcirth_work | dmesg | grep -i error | less | 17:30 |
| lordcirth_work | Ought to catch most things | 17:30 |
| v3n0m | Its 5-6 seconds longer than usual from ubuntu 17.04 | 17:30 |
| v3n0m | and it once took almost 50 seconds | 17:30 |
| v3n0m | http://paste.ubuntu.com/25767140/ | 17:31 |
| v3n0m | here it is | 17:31 |
| lordcirth_work | v3n0m, so, is the OS installed on a hard drive or SSD? | 17:32 |
| v3n0m | I think when I shut the computer down and turn it on it takes more time. Rebooting I guess take less. I don't seem to notice the difference but systemd-analyze tells me. | 17:32 |
| v3n0m | hard drive. | 17:32 |
| lordcirth_work | So, 50s is not absurdly long for a full desktop boot on a hard drive. | 17:32 |
| v3n0m | But that wasn't the case on ubuntu 17.04 | 17:33 |
| v3n0m | you are not getting the point. | 17:33 |
| lordcirth_work | v3n0m, 5 seconds longer than 17.04? | 17:34 |
| v3n0m | Yeah, and it once took 50 seconds | 17:34 |
| v3n0m | I mean the kernel takes only 3 seconds or so | 17:34 |
| v3n0m | the user space programs take time | 17:34 |
| lordcirth_work | v3n0m, are you on wifi or ethernet? I notice networkmanager is taking a long time | 17:34 |
| v3n0m | wifi | 17:34 |
| lordcirth_work | 50% chance it's wifi causing the delay | 17:35 |
| v3n0m | Yeah, I had a network not connecting problem in my university campus. Can be because of that | 17:35 |
| v3n0m | But still, is there a way to decrease the boot time even more? | 17:35 |
| v3n0m | some grub config maybe? I know that has nothing to do with systemd-analyze but I just like my machine booting up fastly. | 17:36 |
| lordcirth_work | v3n0m, yeah, I get that :) I once spent a day tweaking Gentoo to get 28s from grub to login. | 17:36 |
| v3n0m | Yeah. | 17:37 |
| lordcirth_work | v3n0m, if your grub is showing a menu during boot, and you don't need that, you can skip that | 17:37 |
| v3n0m | Also, the logo appears like just for a second. Its just pink screen. No, it's hidden. The hidden thing is enabled I guess. | 17:37 |
| lordcirth_work | If you aren't using snapd - most people don't - you can run 'systemctl disable snapd' | 17:38 |
| v3n0m | its the Ubuntu snaps feature? | 17:38 |
| lordcirth_work | Personally I remove the 'quiet splash' text from the grub settings. Probably doesn't speed up much but it's cooler and better for troubleshooting | 17:39 |
| v3n0m | lordcirth_work: the drive is fine right no problems? I gave you a pastebin of it. | 17:39 |
| v3n0m | I just like the ubuntu logo | 17:39 |
| lordcirth_work | v3n0m, I don't see a paste of drive info? 'smartctl -a /dev/sda' will get drive health | 17:40 |
| v3n0m | actually, I am talking about the demsg errors | 17:40 |
| v3n0m | http://paste.ubuntu.com/25767140/ | 17:40 |
| lordcirth_work | Oh yeah nothing there. | 17:41 |
| oerheks | lloks like sda2 is flaulty, mounted read-only | 17:42 |
| oerheks | c/looks | 17:42 |
| v3n0m | Anyone used tor here? I had done proxy settings in torrc file since my campus has proxy set up but I used to do an https proxy and it would work in archlinux but I haven't been able to make it work in 17.04. Not tested in this one. But the tor process just gets active (exited) by seeing the status of the tor service. | 17:43 |
| v3n0m | what sort of problem? | 17:43 |
| v3n0m | sda2 is my root partition. How can it be read only? | 17:43 |
| oerheks | .. | 17:44 |
| v3n0m | why are you saying it's faulty? | 17:44 |
| nacc | oerheks: the prior paste just shows that the option to remount ro on errors is set, it doesn't say it is mounted ro yet | 17:45 |
| oerheks | oh oke, then why posting the message.. | 17:45 |
| v3n0m | so why is this behaviour? | 17:45 |
| v3n0m | is it trouble worthy nacc? | 17:46 |
| oerheks | and quick change subject to tor. .. | 17:46 |
| v3n0m | ?? | 17:47 |
| v3n0m | what do you mean oerheks? I wasn't changing subject. I had that problem too but you sort of put me wondering that is there a problem with sda2? | 17:48 |
| lordcirth_work | v3n0m, no, it's fine. | 17:48 |
| lordcirth_work | v3n0m, for TOR you'll probably need a different channel | 17:48 |
| v3n0m | okay | 17:49 |
| v3n0m | So is that error to everybody? | 17:49 |
| v3n0m | btw, I am on the devlopment release. Tomorrow, when Ubuntu 17.10 is released officialy, I will update to the point release right? No need to reinstall? | 17:50 |
| lordcirth_work | v3n0m, ? the second line there is just saying that your filesystem was mounted with a setting that will go read-only if there's an error | 17:50 |
| lordcirth_work | v3n0m, yeah just updating works I think | 17:51 |
| v3n0m | I mean that thing comes in everybody's demsg error or not? | 17:51 |
| vithiri | Anyone else experiencing that the battery status icon doesn't update to reflect the actual battery levels currently? If I click the indicators, the actual level displays in the menu. | 17:52 |
| lordcirth_work | v3n0m, the command I gave is not finding all errors, it's looking for all messages that contain the word "error". Slight difference. | 17:52 |
| v3n0m | okay | 17:52 |
| lordcirth_work | And yeah, it's normal. | 17:52 |
| v3n0m | so its fine | 17:52 |
| v3n0m | Alright. You think that I will be updated to the point release or are you sure? There is a big different between these two. | 17:53 |
| v3n0m | btw, tweaks isn't present by default? | 17:54 |
| jbicha | v3n0m: there are no point releases for non-LTS releases like Ubuntu 17.10 | 17:55 |
| jbicha | the Tweaks app is not installed by default but it's easy to install | 17:56 |
| v3n0m | so what's the 17.10 release called then? | 17:56 |
| jbicha | Ubuntu 17.10 | 17:56 |
| v3n0m | haha | 17:56 |
| v3n0m | but still if a person upgrades from 17.04 won't it be a point release then? | 17:57 |
| jbicha | but the most recent LTS is Ubuntu 16.04.3 | 17:57 |
| jbicha | we use the term "point release" to talk about that final 3rd part of the number which is only present for LTS releases | 17:57 |
| v3n0m | Actually, I was wondering that whether the pacakges in 16.04.3 gets updated | 17:57 |
| jbicha | all Ubuntu releases get security and bug fixes | 17:58 |
| v3n0m | Like seriously it will be like really long about 2 years to get new versions | 17:58 |
| jbicha | but if you want brand new versions of software, you (usually) have to upgrade to a new Ubuntu release | 17:58 |
| v3n0m | like some software might have changed or devloped much | 17:58 |
| jbicha | or you can use snap's | 17:58 |
| v3n0m | does a point release provide updated software? | 17:58 |
| jbicha | no, it's just regular security and bug fixes (and an updated kernel and some graphics drivers) | 17:59 |
| oerheks | LTS gives stable packages, not the *newest* , yet it gets security updates backported | 17:59 |
| jbicha | it's just more convenient to install from a point release that has a lot of those bug fixes pre-installed instead of having to download as much afterwards | 17:59 |
| lordcirth_work | newer minor versions, not major versions, in general | 17:59 |
| v3n0m | 2 years is a long time and software change a lot in that time | 18:00 |
| lordcirth_work | v3n0m, yep, that's what ppas are for | 18:00 |
| v3n0m | so that's what I am asking. Like is the software never updated. | 18:00 |
| lordcirth_work | I have haproxy 1.7 from a ppa, for example | 18:00 |
| v3n0m | But I don't really trust ppas. | 18:00 |
| v3n0m | They can break my system. | 18:01 |
| oerheks | " Like is the software never updated" is not true | 18:01 |
| lordcirth_work | v3n0m, well you shouldn't automatically trust them; but when the developer is the one making them, they are safe | 18:01 |
| v3n0m | So yeah, but still you have the worry of dependency conflict | 18:01 |
| v3n0m | And some dependencies which migh be newer | 18:01 |
| lordcirth_work | v3n0m, depends on what software you are installing | 18:01 |
| v3n0m | and cause problems to your software | 18:01 |
| lordcirth_work | Don't ever install glibc from ppa, lol | 18:02 |
| v3n0m | already installed or ones you want to install | 18:02 |
| v3n0m | not much. I would prefer nvidia drivers and some programming ides etc | 18:02 |
| lordcirth_work | Well, if you want newer stuff, then upgrade every 6 months instead of using LTS's. | 18:02 |
| v3n0m | nvidia drivers from ppa are safe? | 18:03 |
| v3n0m | how about backports? | 18:03 |
| v3n0m | in lts | 18:03 |
| oerheks | backports are tested, sure | 18:04 |
| oerheks | i just wonder why you ask if they are 'safe'.. | 18:04 |
| v3n0m | so safe then. | 18:04 |
| v3n0m | I mean that won't really cause problems to my system in terms of dependency | 18:05 |
| lordcirth_work | v3n0m, the great thing about digital systems is that it's trivial to reinstall and load your backups | 18:06 |
| v3n0m | well can you answer my question please? | 18:09 |
| lordcirth_work | v3n0m, I don't know everything, most ppas don't break things, use common sense and have backups | 18:10 |
| lordcirth_work | I use nvidia ppa drivers, as do many others, and they are generally pretty stable | 18:10 |
| oerheks | proposed repo, is what you should avoid, unless you have a *reason* for it. | 18:31 |
| oerheks | backports are fine | 18:31 |
| oerheks | but you will find no backports in 17.10, it is not out yet. | 18:32 |
| ignoo | Hello,running ubuntu GNOME 16.04, have some issues with ubuntu Artful Aardvark: https://pastebin.com/BgBHExes ; Thank you for your Support. | 18:52 |
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| ke-esc | Hello all. I have 17.10 running on my PC with an nvidia card. The monitors won't power off after delay. I tried running 'vbetool dpms off' but it throws an error that open/dev/mem is not permitted | 23:07 |
| ke-esc | Any thoughts? | 23:07 |
| nacc | ke-esc: did you try with sudo? | 23:09 |
| ke-esc | nacc, yes, ran that with sudo | 23:09 |
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