[00:56] em guys, is ubuntu 17.10 already out there? [00:57] !release [00:57] Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 9 months (non-LTS) or 5 years (LTS). More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases [00:57] !beta [00:57] If you install a development version of Ubuntu Artful and keep up with package updates, then you will be upgraded to the official release of 17.10 when it comes out. To make sure, type « sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade » in a terminal. [00:57] drat! what's the factoid for the release date? [00:57] ty, i needed that last command [00:57] end of month I think [00:58] oh i see [02:36] !isitout [02:36] Nope, it's not out yet. Check back on Thursday! === lotuspsychje_ is now known as lotuspsychje [08:48] when I run a command inside a container like "ssh root@$IPADDR lxc-attach -P /usr/lib/lm_containers -n ivi -- ls *.rpm", it complains "ls: *.rpm: No such file or directory". does it mean that I cannot use * inside the command? If I remove the *, it runs well. what should I do? thanks [08:50] You can sometimes use sh -c 'ls *.rpm' [08:51] Quoting / commands over ssh is a *nightmare*, it's almost always easier to write a script and pipe it into "ssh root@host bash". [08:52] Faux, thanks for your tips. I will have a try for it [08:54] printf '#!/bin/sh\nprintf "== %%s ==\\n" "$@"\n' > debug-args.sh && chmod a+x debug-args.sh && ssh localhost ./debug-args.sh foo 'bar baz' quux [08:55] Faux, thanks your method works. [12:16] good day [12:17] i deleted sda with windows 10 on it, installed ubuntu 17.04 on sdb2 from Live CD, no bootable device found [12:20] rebbel1: u have to install grub ... on the right device [12:20] try putting grub on /dev/sda [12:38] thanks freaky [12:38] thanks freakyy [12:39] can i create a new sda with grub in Gparted ? === opti_ is now known as opti === tomaw_ is now known as tomaw [17:23] ubuntu 17.10 slow boot [17:26] v3n0m, "systemd-analyze critical-chain" ? [17:26] where's the bin? [17:26] pastebin? [17:26] !paste [17:26] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [17:27] pastebinit is handy [17:27] http://paste.ubuntu.com/25767102/ [17:27] Also, sometimes it took once almost 50 seconds in systemd-analyze [17:27] kernel boot + user space [17:29] is that slow? [17:29] v3n0m, look through dmesg for errors; are you on a hard drive, if so, what rpm? [17:29] command please [17:30] dmesg | grep -i error | less [17:30] Ought to catch most things [17:30] Its 5-6 seconds longer than usual from ubuntu 17.04 [17:30] and it once took almost 50 seconds [17:31] http://paste.ubuntu.com/25767140/ [17:31] here it is [17:32] v3n0m, so, is the OS installed on a hard drive or SSD? [17:32] I think when I shut the computer down and turn it on it takes more time. Rebooting I guess take less. I don't seem to notice the difference but systemd-analyze tells me. [17:32] hard drive. [17:32] So, 50s is not absurdly long for a full desktop boot on a hard drive. [17:33] But that wasn't the case on ubuntu 17.04 [17:33] you are not getting the point. [17:34] v3n0m, 5 seconds longer than 17.04? [17:34] Yeah, and it once took 50 seconds [17:34] I mean the kernel takes only 3 seconds or so [17:34] the user space programs take time [17:34] v3n0m, are you on wifi or ethernet? I notice networkmanager is taking a long time [17:34] wifi [17:35] 50% chance it's wifi causing the delay [17:35] Yeah, I had a network not connecting problem in my university campus. Can be because of that [17:35] But still, is there a way to decrease the boot time even more? [17:36] some grub config maybe? I know that has nothing to do with systemd-analyze but I just like my machine booting up fastly. [17:36] v3n0m, yeah, I get that :) I once spent a day tweaking Gentoo to get 28s from grub to login. [17:37] Yeah. [17:37] v3n0m, if your grub is showing a menu during boot, and you don't need that, you can skip that [17:37] Also, the logo appears like just for a second. Its just pink screen. No, it's hidden. The hidden thing is enabled I guess. [17:38] If you aren't using snapd - most people don't - you can run 'systemctl disable snapd' [17:38] its the Ubuntu snaps feature? [17:39] Personally I remove the 'quiet splash' text from the grub settings. Probably doesn't speed up much but it's cooler and better for troubleshooting [17:39] lordcirth_work: the drive is fine right no problems? I gave you a pastebin of it. [17:39] I just like the ubuntu logo [17:40] v3n0m, I don't see a paste of drive info? 'smartctl -a /dev/sda' will get drive health [17:40] actually, I am talking about the demsg errors [17:40] http://paste.ubuntu.com/25767140/ [17:41] Oh yeah nothing there. [17:42] lloks like sda2 is flaulty, mounted read-only [17:42] c/looks [17:43] Anyone used tor here? I had done proxy settings in torrc file since my campus has proxy set up but I used to do an https proxy and it would work in archlinux but I haven't been able to make it work in 17.04. Not tested in this one. But the tor process just gets active (exited) by seeing the status of the tor service. [17:43] what sort of problem? [17:43] sda2 is my root partition. How can it be read only? [17:44] .. [17:44] why are you saying it's faulty? [17:45] oerheks: the prior paste just shows that the option to remount ro on errors is set, it doesn't say it is mounted ro yet [17:45] oh oke, then why posting the message.. [17:45] so why is this behaviour? [17:46] is it trouble worthy nacc? [17:46] and quick change subject to tor. .. [17:47] ?? [17:48] what do you mean oerheks? I wasn't changing subject. I had that problem too but you sort of put me wondering that is there a problem with sda2? [17:48] v3n0m, no, it's fine. [17:48] v3n0m, for TOR you'll probably need a different channel [17:49] okay [17:49] So is that error to everybody? [17:50] btw, I am on the devlopment release. Tomorrow, when Ubuntu 17.10 is released officialy, I will update to the point release right? No need to reinstall? [17:50] v3n0m, ? the second line there is just saying that your filesystem was mounted with a setting that will go read-only if there's an error [17:51] v3n0m, yeah just updating works I think [17:51] I mean that thing comes in everybody's demsg error or not? [17:52] Anyone else experiencing that the battery status icon doesn't update to reflect the actual battery levels currently? If I click the indicators, the actual level displays in the menu. [17:52] v3n0m, the command I gave is not finding all errors, it's looking for all messages that contain the word "error". Slight difference. [17:52] okay [17:52] And yeah, it's normal. [17:52] so its fine [17:53] Alright. You think that I will be updated to the point release or are you sure? There is a big different between these two. [17:54] btw, tweaks isn't present by default? [17:55] v3n0m: there are no point releases for non-LTS releases like Ubuntu 17.10 [17:56] the Tweaks app is not installed by default but it's easy to install [17:56] so what's the 17.10 release called then? [17:56] Ubuntu 17.10 [17:56] haha [17:57] but still if a person upgrades from 17.04 won't it be a point release then? [17:57] but the most recent LTS is Ubuntu 16.04.3 [17:57] we use the term "point release" to talk about that final 3rd part of the number which is only present for LTS releases [17:57] Actually, I was wondering that whether the pacakges in 16.04.3 gets updated [17:58] all Ubuntu releases get security and bug fixes [17:58] Like seriously it will be like really long about 2 years to get new versions [17:58] but if you want brand new versions of software, you (usually) have to upgrade to a new Ubuntu release [17:58] like some software might have changed or devloped much [17:58] or you can use snap's [17:58] does a point release provide updated software? [17:59] no, it's just regular security and bug fixes (and an updated kernel and some graphics drivers) [17:59] LTS gives stable packages, not the *newest* , yet it gets security updates backported [17:59] it's just more convenient to install from a point release that has a lot of those bug fixes pre-installed instead of having to download as much afterwards [17:59] newer minor versions, not major versions, in general [18:00] 2 years is a long time and software change a lot in that time [18:00] v3n0m, yep, that's what ppas are for [18:00] so that's what I am asking. Like is the software never updated. [18:00] I have haproxy 1.7 from a ppa, for example [18:00] But I don't really trust ppas. [18:01] They can break my system. [18:01] " Like is the software never updated" is not true [18:01] v3n0m, well you shouldn't automatically trust them; but when the developer is the one making them, they are safe [18:01] So yeah, but still you have the worry of dependency conflict [18:01] And some dependencies which migh be newer [18:01] v3n0m, depends on what software you are installing [18:01] and cause problems to your software [18:02] Don't ever install glibc from ppa, lol [18:02] already installed or ones you want to install [18:02] not much. I would prefer nvidia drivers and some programming ides etc [18:02] Well, if you want newer stuff, then upgrade every 6 months instead of using LTS's. [18:03] nvidia drivers from ppa are safe? [18:03] how about backports? [18:03] in lts [18:04] backports are tested, sure [18:04] i just wonder why you ask if they are 'safe'.. [18:04] so safe then. [18:05] I mean that won't really cause problems to my system in terms of dependency [18:06] v3n0m, the great thing about digital systems is that it's trivial to reinstall and load your backups [18:09] well can you answer my question please? [18:10] v3n0m, I don't know everything, most ppas don't break things, use common sense and have backups [18:10] I use nvidia ppa drivers, as do many others, and they are generally pretty stable [18:31] proposed repo, is what you should avoid, unless you have a *reason* for it. [18:31] backports are fine [18:32] but you will find no backports in 17.10, it is not out yet. [18:52] Hello,running ubuntu GNOME 16.04, have some issues with ubuntu Artful Aardvark: https://pastebin.com/BgBHExes ; Thank you for your Support. === JanC_ is now known as JanC === Night___ is now known as |Night| === elky is now known as el [23:07] Hello all. I have 17.10 running on my PC with an nvidia card. The monitors won't power off after delay. I tried running 'vbetool dpms off' but it throws an error that open/dev/mem is not permitted [23:07] Any thoughts? [23:09] ke-esc: did you try with sudo? [23:09] nacc, yes, ran that with sudo