[02:01] <Bashing-om> rebooting to see what is in recovery for graphic's driver .
[02:14] <Bashing-om> Mind more at ease now . Verified that 'recovery' also loads the nvidia driver :)
[02:28] <lotuspsychje> !isitoutyet
[02:28] <lotuspsychje> morning guys
[02:28] <lotuspsychje> !party
[02:29] <lotuspsychje> tnx for the edit dax
[02:33] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-adds-last-minute-finishing-touches-to-ubuntu-17-10-artful-aardvark-518062.shtml
[02:40] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: How is wayland going to work with the nvidia graphic's driver ?
[02:41] <lotuspsychje_> Bashing-om: we will see tomorrow in main mate lol
[02:41] <lotuspsychje_> Bashing-om: ive tested an nvidia laptop, but that was before wayland, aka xwayland
[02:43] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje_: https://wayland.freedesktop.org/xserver.html . Think we are going to have issues !
[02:44] <lotuspsychje_> im sure we will..
[05:07] <EriC^^> morning all
[05:35] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[05:37] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> all good there EriC^^ ?
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> almost artful day :p
[06:08] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> hey lordievader & ducasse
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> all good there?
[06:09] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje
[06:09] <lordievader> Doing good here
[06:09] <lordievader> How are you?
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> great here, coffee
[06:13] <lordievader> That doesn't sound like a bad idea.
[06:17] <Bashing-om> ' Nuf - do this more later o/
[06:26] <ducasse> morning everyone
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[06:29] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[07:09] <EriC^^> back
[07:13] <EriC^^> how's it going lotuspsychje ?
[07:13] <EriC^^> morning ducasse lordievader o/
[07:14] <lordievader> Hey EEriC^^ , how are you doing?
[07:14] <EriC^^> good thanks, yourself?
[07:15] <ducasse> morning EriC^^
[07:15] <lordievader> Doing good here :)
[07:15] <EriC^^> :)
[07:17] <lordievader> What is on the program for you guys today?
[07:20] <ducasse> good question :)
[12:29] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:51] <pauljw> mornin' BluesKaj :)
[12:57] <BluesKaj> 'Morning pauljw
[15:22] <oerheks> cron.daily issues on a live iso, not sure it is trolling ..
[15:32] <nicomachus> oerheks: I didn't even bother with that one
[15:43] <oerheks> .. didn't update .. my faith in humanity climbed 3 points
[15:45] <BluesKaj> Hey oerheks, nicomachus
[15:46] <oerheks> hi BluesKaj :-D
[15:46] <oerheks> welcome to the support jungle
[15:46] <BluesKaj> ready for the big release tomorrow?
[15:47] <BluesKaj> think I'm mostly up to date already
[15:47] <oerheks> yes, backupped and backupped the backup
[15:48] <oerheks> incl https://www.dropbox.com/s/0f25drf283kmjup/2017Pien%26Drabber.JPG?dl=0
[15:48] <oerheks> Pien Hijacked the couch, Drabber is not amuzed
[15:49] <BluesKaj> kitties !
[17:19] <nipoc> Hey guys anyone know what time 17.10 is being released tomorrow, a quick google didn't help? thx
[17:20] <TJ-> depends on when the images have all built and been put in place
[17:21] <daftykins> nipoc: all the cool kids use LTS
[17:22] <nipoc> TJ: thanks
[17:22] <nipoc> daftykins: haha, I just want shiny new gnome
[17:23] <TJ-> You're wanting to do a fresh install? Otherwise a do-releae-upgrade will do it
[17:23] <nipoc> TJ: yea I was trying out elemental for a bit, but want to return to the fold
[17:24] <daftykins> wise decision, no fakers!
[17:24] <TJ-> well you can install from the daily/beta ISO too, then full-upgrade in case any packages have been upgraded since
[17:25] <nipoc> TJ: that's the solution I was looking for, the froze most packages a couple of days ago anyway, right. I'll do that, thanks TJ
[17:25] <TJ-> nipoc: yes, that's correct
[18:46] <Bashing-om> Back on :) .. Bright eyed now and bushy tailed .. we do Wensday support .
[19:04] <daftykins> welcome back!
[19:04]  * daftykins hands Bashing-om his Ubuntu mug of tea/coffee
[19:05] <Bashing-om> daftykins: :) That ^ is a good thing .. brain cell lubrication .
[19:05] <daftykins> :D
[19:06] <oerheks> * now with 1 free braincell every cup, collect them all!
[19:07] <daftykins> :O!
[19:08] <Bashing-om> Then - there are those times that even when all brain cells are corraled - still ain't got enough :(
[19:09] <oerheks> Tomorrow release, friday payday, then weekend support ..
[19:09] <Bashing-om> oerheks: wayland ! .. It will be a learning experience .
[19:10] <oerheks> ai ai ai
[19:10] <daftykins> weyhey the band is back together (:
[19:13] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Feels Good ^ even EriC^^ and TJ- are in residence :)
[19:13] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[19:14] <daftykins> welcome back \o Ubuntu logo'd coffee/tea mugs are over by the door, help yourself!
[19:14] <daftykins> :D
[19:15] <leftyfb> oh right, 17.10 is finally doing wayland
[19:15] <leftyfb> can't say I'm excited about that in the lease. No more X forwarding :(
[19:17] <daftykins> it seems big changes in Linux-land are far too often about "what can you no longer do" until things catch back up again (if at all)
[19:19] <leftyfb> it's because people rewrite solutions from scratch and then find out why the original solution became stagnant and bloated to begin with and don't want to put in the effort to get back to feature parity
[19:19] <daftykins> heh yep that makes sense
[19:20] <daftykins> probably bogged-down with bugs and edge cases in the meantime too
[19:20] <TJ-> I was chatting to someone in ##linux yesterday who's running the 17.10 dailies and pointed out Wayland doesn't support screenshots. He was adamant it does and he'd done it. He then tried to prove it worked. Iasked to see the process list, and there was XWayland - Xorg running atop Wayland, so providing screenshoting. He then changed it to start with pure Wayland and lost screenshoting
[19:20] <leftyfb> people who come up with new solutions have a great 10% POC and love saying "oh, adding in the other features will be easy and will come soon enough" ... then don't realize that most of the work in the solution was all those features working together. Not the 10% you already came up with.
[19:21] <Bashing-om> leftyfb: How large has the kernel code base now become ?
[19:22] <leftyfb> I hope we don't drop xorg before wayland is closer to feature complete
[19:22] <leftyfb> Bashing-om: I think the kernel is a bit of a different beast. Mainly due to drivers who do in fact come and go (mostly come).
[19:22] <TJ-> we're at something like 20 million lines of code
[19:22] <daftykins> sheesh
[19:23] <daftykins> and no screenshots ;D
[19:23] <leftyfb> it's doing something right though if it's basically running the world at the moment
[19:26] <TJ-> Indeed, a monolithic yet extremely modular kernel. It's why most microkernels haven't really taken off for mainstream use
[19:29] <Bashing-om> When one sits down to read the kernel source, best have more than one cup of coffee handy :P
[19:29] <TJ-> better a hose
[19:29] <daftykins> XD
[19:30] <TJ-> it's actually quite readable. The problem is understanding and sometimes finding all the inter-relationships since so much is done via deferred work queues and so on. You can necessarily follow a simple call stack to figure it out
[19:30] <TJ-> s/can/cannot/