[06:08] <vlt> nemo: Good morning!
[06:09] <vlt> nemo: Yes, \x00 seems to be perfectly valid utf-8, though it might not comply with what is considered a "string".
[06:10] <alkisg> vlt: he said exactly the opposite, (04:25:49 μμ) nemo: alkisg: \x00 is definitely invalid utf-8
[06:10] <alkisg> invalid, not valid
[06:12] <vlt> alkisg: Yes, he said that but it doesn't seem to be correct.
[06:13] <alkisg> vlt: you should have said "no, ..." then, not "yes, ..." :)
[06:13] <vlt> alkisg: Damn, I never get this right :-D
[06:13] <alkisg> :)
[06:13] <vlt> alkisg: In my native language we have a third word for exactly this case.
[06:14] <alkisg> Hehe
[06:14] <vlt> We have "ja" for "yes", "nein" for "no" and "doch" to contradict a negative statement.
[06:15] <alkisg> That should translate to "but"...
[06:15] <alkisg> nevertheless etc
[06:16] <vlt> alkisg: "Doch" can be used completely by itself.
[06:16] <chanstar> hello
[06:16] <chanstar> anybody?
[06:16] <alkisg> 82 persons here :)
[06:16] <alkisg> !ask
[06:16] <chanstar> How to support chinese input method/
[06:17] <alkisg> vlt: btw I agree that "0" is valid utf8, but not valid text file
[06:17] <alkisg> chanstar: this one? https://askubuntu.com/questions/792154/how-to-install-cangjie-traditional-chinese-input-for-ubuntu-mate-16-04-powerpc
[06:17]  * vlt too
[06:18] <chanstar> OK thanks
[06:18] <alkisg> np
[06:38] <krishnakarkera>  hello
[06:39] <diogenes_> hare krishna
[08:06] <alumno> alguien hay por hay
[08:08] <alkisg> !es
[09:12] <gabe> tes
[09:12] <gabe> helo anyone
[13:22] <hans_> hello, i'm brandnew with ubuntu mate on a raspi 2, and have some problems finding the right settings
[13:22] <hans_> the date text is in french and i want to have it in english... i'm livuing in France so the time zone is paris...
[13:23] <hans_> have already experience with ubuntu on a intel laptop...but i don't find the right setting menu
[13:23] <hans_> here on the raspi
[13:26] <hans_> has somebody a clue?
[13:26] <_Anna_> hans_ You want only the date/clock in english or the whole interface?
[13:27] <hans_> the whole interface can be in english, while the install i choosed english as language
[13:28] <hans_> the interface is ok in english...
[13:29] <_Anna_> I'm confused. Which version of Ubuntu MATE have you installed? The english one or the french one?
[13:30] <hans_> I installed english ubuntu mate, set my timezone to paris, because living in France,
[13:30] <hans_> the days ,month etc are shown in French
[13:31] <hans_> all the rest of the interface is in English already
[13:32] <hans_> ... should i write_Anna_ in front of each row i post?...
[13:32] <diogenes_> lol
[13:32] <diogenes_> try that'
[13:32] <_Anna_> That's weird. I live in a non english-speaking country too, but date/clock is in english as the rest of my interface.
[13:33] <hans_> oh no, i'm a bit confused, this chat is new for me...
[13:34] <diogenes_> hans_, in one sentence, what's your problem?
[13:35] <hans_> I installed mate in english,living in France, so set the timezone to paris.Now the days, month are in french, want them in english
[13:35] <diogenes_> wait till I finish my chess
[13:36] <hans_> i think i found it...language and regional formats setup
[13:36] <diogenes_> good job
[13:37] <hans_> i have to reboot to change i guess...
[13:37] <hans_> thanks anyway. see you all back after reboot
[13:40] <_Anna_> OK my question: If linux is installed in a logical partition, does swap have to be under the same extended partition?
[13:41] <_Anna_> In another words, can I have the distro installed in a primary and swap in one of the logicals?
[13:43] <hans_> ... all is ok now.I changed the settings in control center,language support,regional format, set to english, and apply system wide.
[13:44] <hans_> interface and time,date texts are in english.Just the currency stys in Dollar...anyway, thats fine for me.
[13:45] <_Anna_> Just being curious, hans_ , were you logged in as guest before?
[13:45] <hans_> no, just logged in as hans as before
[13:46] <hans_> from the pop up menu after booting
[13:46] <hans_> and as far as i understood is the chat taking over the username of the login
[13:46] <hans_> from ubuntu
[14:55] <Canoe> Looking forward to 17.10 UM tomorrow, the quality of font rendering compared to other platforms never ceases to amaze me, so much more legible.
[14:57] <marosg`> _Anna: yes, swap partition can be anywhere
[15:00] <_Anna_> I thought so marosg. Thanks for verifying.
[15:36] <alon> bonjour, nouveau sur Ubuntu mate installé sur Raspberry 3
[15:37] <alon> je souhaiterais savoir comment faire pour que le bluetooth soit activer avant de me logger car j utilise un clavier et souris bluetooth
[15:40] <alon> du coup je dois pour le moment utiliser un clavier usb avant d'utiliser mon clavier et souris bluetooth, donc pas super genial ;-)
[16:26] <nemo> vlt: yeah, I was obsessing about strings
[16:27] <nemo> vlt: he's right, I was wrong - I was mixing two definitions
[16:27] <nemo> vlt: it's a valid code point, it isn't a valid string
[16:27] <nemo> vlt: pluma is reasonably obsessed with strings, so that's what causes it (and file) to fail to detect the encoding
[16:27] <nemo> vlt: for very short sequences it assume it must be a text string that allows that, I guess - which is how I end up w/ what is presumably UTF-16 CJK
[17:28] <Canoe> Is there a specific time tomorrow for 17.10's release?
[17:40] <dinoman> habe kodi auf meinen paspberry mit ubuntu-mate installiert. kodi will aber nicht starten. hat jemand einen tipp?
[17:41] <diogenes_> dinoman, starten kodi im der terminal und sehen was ist loss
[19:22] <eddyelectron> Good afternoon
[19:23] <eddyelectron> just finished installing Mate on an old (10 years) Macbook Pro
[19:24] <eddyelectron> successful, runs hot though
[19:25] <Canoe> @eddyelectron That's still an impressive achievement.
[19:25] <eddyelectron> there was a pair of scripts to run in the old version of OS X to turn the fan faster
[19:26] <eddyelectron> I dunno if I can pull that off inside of Mate though
[19:27] <eddyelectron> Wasn't that difficult. I gave it a try after 5 instals of Debian 8 & 9 failed
[19:28] <eddyelectron> Mate was easy in comparison
[19:28] <eddyelectron> always have good luck with Mate
[19:28] <eddyelectron> Great distro!
[19:29] <eddyelectron> happy to see there is a chatroom
[19:29] <Canoe> Yep it's supremely usable! Have it running across 3 generations of hardware.
[19:31] <edison>  The Debian folks told me I could run OpenMediaVault from inside Debian... wondering if I can do that from inside Mate?
[19:32] <Canoe> @edison not tried that, but I have it on a Raspberry Pi. It's potentially doable though.
[19:33] <edison> I'm waiting till I get a Pi3 before I try that
[19:33] <edison> running inside of Jesse?
[19:34] <edison> I always just installed an OMV iso to a disk and went from there
[19:35] <Canoe> No, just a standard OMV iso
[19:35] <edison> on a 3?
[19:36] <Canoe> Pi2
[19:36] <edison> I bought a USB to SATA cable to do OMV... doesn't work with older SATA drives... too much power, my guess
[19:37] <edison> is it pokey?
[19:37] <Canoe> Yeah it's the size of an old matchbox :) Just use a large microSSD
[19:37] <edison> wish I could afford a big SSD
[19:39] <edison> I mostly work with 4+ year old hardware that I acquire on the cheap
[19:41] <edison> But I have like six laptops, three desktops, two tablets, an iPhone
[19:41] <edison> All good fun, great to learn with....
[19:42] <Canoe> Somewhat comforting to see how long kit lasts, we've come a long way in the last 20 years alone
[19:42] <edison> edison = eddyelectron dunno how the nick got swapped
[19:42] <edison> Linux lets us keep that old hardware
[19:44] <edison> Acquired a 13 yr old PowerPC Macbook Pro recently.... that will go on Mate soon
[19:44] <Canoe> The only real issue I've had is with the power-efficiency of older cpus and psus. Switching from a 2009 machine to one I built last year practically halved power consumption. Also AMD -> Intel
[19:45] <Canoe> I don't think PowerPC is supported any more unfortunately, recently taken off.
[19:45] <tsimonq2> edison: Except that Ubuntu MATE stops supporting all PPC machines within the next 2 years (following the PPC removal from the archive)...
[19:45] <tsimonq2> Yeah
[19:46] <Canoe> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2016/10/msg00008.html
[19:46] <edison> I understand that... Yeah, then that box will go to the recycler for a proper burial
[19:46] <edison> the isos are still around
[19:47] <edison> The PPC mac still has great battery life... incredible
[19:48] <tsimonq2> edison: Additionally, since it's all free software, nothing is stopping you (or anyone else) from doing package builds and publishing on a different server for powerpc ;)
[19:48] <Canoe> If it's running on the original battery, that's surprising for a decade-old machine
[19:48] <edison> the browsers in the old OS V versions don't render modern websites worth a darn
[19:49] <edison> came with two batteries one good, the other not so much
[19:49] <edison> OS X
[19:50] <edison> anyway, it is all good fun... keeps me away from Television
[19:51] <edison> gaming is uninteresting to me...
[19:51] <Canoe> :) I think mine gets turned on twice a year
[19:51] <edison> when there is breaking news?
[19:51] <Canoe> Find what fascinates you, and enjoy the journey :)
[19:52] <edison> Exactly! And earn some grocery money along the way, helping others
[19:52] <Canoe> Nope, Christmas ;)
[19:52] <edison> There is that too
[19:53] <edison> I help lots of seniors out of jams with their computers
[19:54] <edison> Have flash drives will travel...
[19:54] <Canoe> Since switching my Dad to Mate, I've gone from monthly, if not weekly issues with malware and visues, to servicing it a couple of times a year.
[19:55] <Canoe> The tipping point was a scam call that ended with him getting out his credit card. So frustrating.
[19:56] <edison> I've fliped some folks from monster desktops to chromebooks... and don't hear from them anymore
[19:56] <Canoe> "Your pc is broken, call this number to fix it. We're Microsoft, honest!"
[19:56] <Canoe> It's ridiculous how stable they are, not that I'm complaining.
[19:57] <edison> I was off to Nebraska for the eclipse.. one of my reulars got the "DON"T TURN OFF YOUR COMPUTER call this 800 number or you are hosed... $300 they dinged her card for
[19:58] <Canoe> Ouch :(
[19:59] <edison> I was so angry with her! They robbed her with her permission
[19:59] <edison> Anyway, the eclipse was astounding!
[20:01] <Canoe> Hopefully the cc company allowed a chargeback on account of fraudulent transactions.
[20:01] <Canoe> Can imagine, saw a couple of travelog videos from people who were there, looked incredible!
[20:01] <edison> 2800 mile journey for 2 minutes 36 seconds of totality... worth every penny
[20:01] <Canoe> It's not something you forget, well, ever.
[20:01] <edison> we drove from California to Nebraska
[20:02] <edison> I've seen ten partials in my lifetime... Totality was a million times better
[20:02] <edison> Don't miss the 2024 Eclipse!!
[20:03] <Canoe> Only seen two full totality, lunar and solar
[20:03] <Canoe> I'll stick it in my diary, hopefully still alive lol.
[20:03] <edison> yeah, same here
[20:04] <edison> Hey I gotta run, nice chatting with you. I will return
[20:04] <edison> thanks!
[20:04] <Canoe> You too!