| oSoMoN | good morning desktoppers! | 05:29 |
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| duflu | Morning oSoMoN | 05:37 |
| didrocks | good morning | 05:45 |
| oSoMoN | hey duflu | 05:45 |
| oSoMoN | salut didrocks | 05:45 |
| didrocks | salut oSoMoN, hey duflu | 05:46 |
| duflu | Hi didrocks | 05:53 |
| * duflu runs away for a while | 05:53 | |
| Trevinho | hey guys... | 05:58 |
| oSoMoN | hey Trevinho | 05:59 |
| Trevinho | hi oSoMoN | 06:00 |
| didrocks | hey Trevinho | 06:24 |
| Trevinho | hey didrocks I've been following the ATI thing, nice work | 06:25 |
| didrocks | thanks Trevinho ;) | 06:29 |
| didrocks | was… quite timely | 06:29 |
| Trevinho | yeah, unfortunately I went to bed quite late last night as I wanted to finish patch for another crash, so i missed most of the party | 06:30 |
| didrocks | Trevinho: I have another definition of party that you have it seems ;-) | 06:32 |
| Trevinho | ahaha, well... You know, this kind of things when you see them the day after are just a funny rush | 06:32 |
| didrocks | Trevinho: no worry, glad that we found the guilty commits. I'm now asking the guy to test the proper patch (preparing gnome-shell+mutter packages) | 06:32 |
| Trevinho | not in that moment though | 06:32 |
| didrocks | yep ;= | 06:32 |
| Trevinho | didrocks: oh, if you want then this one might be nice to have too https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=788908 | 06:33 |
| ubot5 | Gnome bug 788908 in st "gnome-shell crashed with SIGSEGV in clutter_actor_get_allocation_box (from _st_create_shadow_pipeline_from_actor)" [Normal,New] | 06:33 |
| didrocks | was a little bit like old unity times, near 11.04 release ;) | 06:33 |
| Trevinho | didrocks: it's not yet upstreamed but confirming fixing it, or in any case something similar will be there | 06:33 |
| didrocks | Trevinho: hum, it's just a test for a ppa, but we can get that one in a SRU we will surely do with the proper fix if confirmed to work | 06:33 |
| didrocks | Trevinho: mind turning your one in a SRU bug? | 06:33 |
| Trevinho | didrocks: sure, that was the idea anyway | 06:34 |
| Trevinho | didrocks: we're doing a sru0? | 06:34 |
| didrocks | wouldn't be sru0 at that time, but just a normal sru | 06:34 |
| didrocks | (we need to let it live a little bit in -proposed) | 06:34 |
| didrocks | there is still time, I think I'll upload this sru tomorrow, so just drop me a link if you want it in | 06:35 |
| willcooke | is it out yet? | 07:11 |
| willcooke | morning all :) | 07:11 |
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| didrocks | good morning willcooke | 07:20 |
| flocculant | willcooke: ha ha ha | 07:29 |
| duflu | Morning willcooke. I hear it cures all ailments | 07:29 |
| duflu | didrocks, I was confused about the upstream fix being mutter and downstream gnome-shell. Is that a temporary workaround? | 07:37 |
| c-lobrano | morning all :) | 07:38 |
| duflu | Morning c-lobrano | 07:38 |
| c-lobrano | morning duflu | 07:39 |
| didrocks | duflu: what we got is a workaround, reverting headless mode | 07:39 |
| didrocks | duflu: the fix in mutter is to avoid triggering headless mode | 07:39 |
| didrocks | duflu: don't touch at this bug anymore I think. For the real SRU, we will open a new one | 07:39 |
| duflu | didrocks, was it amdgpu only? I read some more and yes only newer GPUs get that driver | 07:39 |
| didrocks | nope, radeon | 07:39 |
| didrocks | and the cards were 2010-2013 | 07:39 |
| duflu | Yeah the original reporter had older hardware that should have been radeon | 07:39 |
| didrocks | (at least, for 2 of the 4 impacted users reporting it) | 07:40 |
| didrocks | I don't know for the 2 others, even if they have amd/ATI | 07:40 |
| didrocks | but yeah, I want as well a 900Mdpi screen ;) | 07:40 |
| didrocks | (which is what the driver reported) | 07:40 |
| * didrocks files an expense :p | 07:41 | |
| seb128 | good morning desktopers | 07:41 |
| didrocks | hey seb128! Happy release day | 07:42 |
| duflu | Morning seb128 | 07:42 |
| seb128 | hey Trevinho, didrocks, willcooke, duflu | 07:42 |
| jibel | morning seb128 | 07:42 |
| seb128 | didrocks, thanks, to you too :) | 07:42 |
| duflu | Hi jibel | 07:42 |
| seb128 | hey jibel | 07:42 |
| didrocks | salut jibel | 07:42 |
| Trevinho | hi seb128 | 07:42 |
| Trevinho | and jibel | 07:42 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, wb! we missed you yesterday | 07:42 |
| jibel | didrocks, how much time would it take to draw a frame on such a monitor | 07:43 |
| jamesh | morning seb128, jibel | 07:43 |
| seb128 | hey jamesh | 07:43 |
| jibel | morning all | 07:43 |
| didrocks | jibel: 0.00001 FPS? ;) | 07:43 |
| Trevinho | seb128: I read the backlog on systems, but too late | 07:43 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, in what tz are you atm? | 07:43 |
| * duflu is also curious :) | 07:44 | |
| Trevinho | seb128: I'm in Playa del Carmen, so... Quintana Roo, it has q bit different tz than other parts of mexico from what I heard from | 07:44 |
| Trevinho | anyway it's 2:44 here now :) | 07:44 |
| seb128 | lol | 07:44 |
| duflu | "Where in the world is Trevinho?" ... there's a game in that | 07:45 |
| seb128 | yeah, but then his own tz doesn't mach the one he's staying in :p | 07:45 |
| seb128 | he had 0 overlap with Europe yesterday | 07:46 |
| seb128 | which means he was living on .nz standards :p | 07:46 |
| seb128 | at least Robert gets company on his work hours! :) | 07:46 |
| jamesh | TZ=Trevinho date | 07:47 |
| Trevinho | actually this was an Idea I had few days ago... | 07:47 |
| Trevinho | I should use in all my devices my own Tz depending on when I go to bed... | 07:48 |
| Trevinho | :-D | 07:48 |
| duflu | Wait long enough and he'll be working out of Mars. The TZ question won't even make sense | 07:48 |
| Trevinho | ahah | 07:48 |
| jamesh | and all it would require is to push out a new tzdata every time you fly somewhere | 07:48 |
| Trevinho | seb128: yes I had overlap yesterday.. in the early morning | 07:49 |
| Trevinho | and well your EOD or sort of | 07:49 |
| Trevinho | this was 10 utc https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=788908#c6 :) and was my last thing before stopping I think | 07:50 |
| ubot5 | Gnome bug 788908 in st "gnome-shell crashed with SIGSEGV in clutter_actor_get_allocation_box (from _st_create_shadow_pipeline_from_actor)" [Normal,New] | 07:50 |
| duflu | didrocks, in related news - https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1724732 | 08:03 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1724732 in mutter (Ubuntu) "Wayland login options are missing when a radeon card is installed" [Undecided,New] | 08:03 |
| didrocks | duflu: yeah, this is to be expected | 08:04 |
| didrocks | duflu: they were already using Xorg anyway | 08:04 |
| didrocks | duflu: do you want to test upstream fix btw? To see if that makes them wayland-compatible | 08:04 |
| didrocks | or just fallback to Xorg, but without crashes? | 08:04 |
| duflu | didrocks, I'm confused. The card does support Wayland and is the only active GPU. I wouldn't say "expected" :) | 08:05 |
| Laney | morning | 08:05 |
| duflu | didrocks, no thanks. I'm back to Intel and have other bugs to finish | 08:05 |
| duflu | Morning Laney | 08:05 |
| didrocks | duflu: won't know if upstream fixed it for you thus, but when you have time to go back at this… | 08:05 |
| didrocks | hey Laney | 08:05 |
| duflu | didrocks, will gdm3 automatically hide Wayland on all hybrids? | 08:07 |
| duflu | It appears my BIOS won't let me use hybrid to test | 08:07 |
| didrocks | duflu: no, they will if the session crashes for any reason | 08:07 |
| didrocks | or if you don't have drm support (which isn't your case) | 08:08 |
| duflu | didrocks, ah yes. I remember now - it did that when I was testing changes to mutter and crashed | 08:08 |
| seb128 | hey Laney | 08:10 |
| seb128 | Laney, how are things today? | 08:11 |
| duflu | didrocks, what's the simplest way to tell users to enable mutter logging on a live system? | 08:12 |
| andyrock | hey all! | 08:16 |
| didrocks | duflu: on a live? hem… I think breaking in casper-bottom isn't an option… do you think changing a file in a shell command, loging out and login back in is an option? | 08:16 |
| didrocks | (that would mean they first end up in a working session) | 08:17 |
| duflu | didrocks, Yeah G_DEBUG...? | 08:17 |
| didrocks | yep, in the .session file | 08:17 |
| didrocks | /usr/share/wayland-sessions/ubuntu.desktop -> Exec line | 08:17 |
| didrocks | (I'm already exporting the ubuntu mode there) | 08:18 |
| didrocks | duflu: there are more env variables for mutter, one sec | 08:18 |
| didrocks | duflu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25770966/ | 08:18 |
| didrocks | (writing here the logs in a temporary file) | 08:19 |
| duflu | Thanks didrocks | 08:19 |
| * didrocks is tempted to create a package to install to add those to the global environment | 08:19 | |
| didrocks | yw | 08:19 |
| duflu | didrocks, yeah that and gnome-shell in general but mostly for mutter startup problems. I have a bug for that already | 08:20 |
| didrocks | I guess i'll do it for 18.04, it's just a question of shipping a file in /usr/lib/environment.d | 08:20 |
| duflu | didrocks, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1696030 | 08:20 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1696030 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell logging is too brief to be useful" [Undecided,New] | 08:20 |
| * didrocks adds a tab | 08:20 | |
| Laney | seb128: getting cold now, autumn is really here :-o | 08:25 |
| Laney | but release day, so happy | 08:25 |
| Laney | you? | 08:25 |
| Laney | hey andyrock, how's it going? | 08:25 |
| duflu | andyrock, I'm almost sad the PS4 rotation bug is getting fixed | 08:25 |
| duflu | It was a handy test tool | 08:25 |
| andyrock | duflu: ahahah | 08:25 |
| andyrock | hey Laney good good | 08:25 |
| duflu | Plenty of laptops don't have (supported) accelerometers | 08:26 |
| andyrock | looking for a new latop battery | 08:26 |
| andyrock | mine is completetly gone | 08:26 |
| seb128 | Laney, I'm good thanks, it's cold but sunny here which is nice! | 08:28 |
| Laney | oh those are good days | 08:28 |
| Laney | we just have grey mist | 08:28 |
| seb128 | :-/ | 08:30 |
| didrocks | Trevinho: for https://github.com/ubuntu/gnome-shell-extension-appindicator/pull/97, do you have a ready-to-go SRU bug ref? | 08:30 |
| willcooke | andyrock, re: laptop battery, in my limited experience, the cheap ebay copies offer < 50% the advertised capacity | 08:32 |
| seb128 | ricotz, hey, do you know who bug #1724773 should be reported to? it seems an issue with the libreoffice/libreoffice-5-4/ubuntu ppa | 08:32 |
| ubot5 | bug 1724773 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Some packages of LO 5.4.2 conflict with each other" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1724773 | 08:32 |
| andyrock | willcooke: I thinking about the original one | 08:32 |
| andyrock | but it's not easy to find here in Italy | 08:33 |
| seb128 | andyrock, willcooke, I've changed my Dell latitude one for the 3rd time and decided to take a cheap one this time, I can recommend not doing that. I had my laptop giving me the "battery empty led" and powering down a few time while the battery was charged, some bits are getting of the back and capacity is less good | 08:33 |
| Trevinho | didrocks: 1 sec | 08:34 |
| didrocks | willcooke: yeah, once I'll change my own battery, thanks to you, I know that I should buy only the original one | 08:35 |
| Trevinho | didrocks: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-appindicator/+bug/1719192 | 08:35 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1719192 in gnome-shell-extension-appindicator (Ubuntu) "Some Top Icons Disappear After Screen Locks - 17.10" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 08:35 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, bug #1714989 seems to have to do with dash-to-panel | 08:35 |
| ubot5 | bug 1714989 in GNOME Shell "gnome-shell crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_check_instance_cast() from st_label_set_text() (dash-to-panel specific?)" [Critical,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1714989 | 08:35 |
| didrocks | Trevinho: mind turning it to a SRU bug? | 08:35 |
| Trevinho | seb128: yeah, I give a quick read but I wanted to move on that bug once I'm done with the other | 08:36 |
| Trevinho | didrocks: ok | 08:36 |
| didrocks | thx! ;) | 08:36 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, I just updated the title to say that | 08:36 |
| seb128 | lol, wth https://launchpadlibrarian.net/340950618/GsettingsChanges.txt | 08:36 |
| didrocks | "soft config" | 08:36 |
| didrocks | :) | 08:36 |
| didrocks | waow, there are even duplicates in the list | 08:36 |
| seb128 | right, that seems weird/buggy | 08:38 |
| seb128 | it's good that we have those info including by apport though | 08:38 |
| didrocks | yep | 08:38 |
| seb128 | it made it easy to see that the segfault mentioned reports are all using dash to panel | 08:38 |
| Trevinho | didrocks: done, bug is actually https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-appindicator/+bug/1712866 | 08:51 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1712866 in gnome-shell-extension-appindicator (Ubuntu) "icons from qt applications disappear after screen lock/sleep" [High,In progress] | 08:51 |
| duflu | http://releases.ubuntu.com/17.10/ | 08:52 |
| didrocks | Trevinho: meraviglioso! | 08:53 |
| krashekspress | got strande problem with rx580 after boot to 17.10 | 09:57 |
| krashekspress | https://photos.app.goo.gl/CxHgKE9PvEQRM37g2 | 09:57 |
| krashekspress | screenshot from ubuntu is fine | 09:57 |
| willcooke | krashekspress, can you try with an Xorg session and see if that makes any difference? (https://ubuntucommunity.s3-us-east-2.amazonaws.com/original/1X/a9e5b475501e411707b336e592249ddc7600a6e8.gif) | 10:05 |
| krashekspress_2 | Xorg works fine | 10:05 |
| krashekspress_2 | but screen is like this onlo on prompt for disk decrypt password | 10:06 |
| krashekspress_2 | *also | 10:06 |
| willcooke | krashekspress_2, please could you log a bug against "gnome-shell" https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs | 10:07 |
| krashekspress_2 | are you sure it is gnome-shell bug, same problem is right after I choose Ubuntu on boot (screen where I need to enter disk decrypt password) | 10:08 |
| krashekspress_2 | anyway, will fill bug, sure | 10:08 |
| willcooke | thanks krashekspress_2, we can always move it to the correct place later | 10:09 |
| andyrock | didrocks is this a known issue? i mean the weird progress bar https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/t1Oz0hk7/IMG_20171019_120817.jpg | 10:10 |
| andyrock | sorry for the low quality picture | 10:10 |
| andyrock | was not easy to capture with a screenshot | 10:11 |
| andyrock | with adwaita the scrollbar looks nice | 10:11 |
| didrocks | andyrock: ah, first time I'm seeing it | 10:11 |
| andyrock | I can fix this buuuuut I've no idea where to start | 10:11 |
| andyrock | :D | 10:12 |
| didrocks | I'm tempted to blame Trevinho on any theme's regression ofc! ;) | 10:12 |
| krashekspress_ | willcooke, I just logged out and choose wayland and logged back in, no error, is there easy way to check on which session I'm on? | 10:12 |
| andyrock | ahahaha | 10:12 |
| andyrock | it has been there for a while | 10:12 |
| didrocks | andyrock: the position is the same? | 10:12 |
| didrocks | with adwaita? | 10:12 |
| andyrock | didrocks: yeah on the top | 10:12 |
| Trevinho | didrocks: no I didn't touch progress bars :) | 10:12 |
| andyrock | but with adwaita there is no border | 10:12 |
| didrocks | ok, only the width though | 10:12 |
| andyrock | and the width is smaller | 10:12 |
| andyrock | should be easy to fix but I don't know which component is this | 10:13 |
| didrocks | Trevinho: more seriously, it could be we never adapted to new layouts IMHO | 10:13 |
| willcooke | krashekspress_, not sure what the best way is, but I do "alt-f2" and then type "r" and hit enter. If it says that you cant restart because of Wayland, then Wayland, if it does restart the session then its xorg | 10:13 |
| Laney | echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE | 10:13 |
| didrocks | andyrock: with the pickler in the inspector? | 10:13 |
| willcooke | krashekspress_, see comment from Laney ^ | 10:13 |
| krashekspress_ | according to alt+f2 it is wayland | 10:13 |
| andyrock | I can try, but it's hard to use because it's fast!! | 10:14 |
| andyrock | let me try to make it slower | 10:14 |
| krashekspress_ | willcooke, definitely wayland, gonna restart to see if problem returns | 10:15 |
| didrocks | andyrock: buttons on the left, seriously? :p | 10:15 |
| Laney | andyrock: start the inspector, select the view, find the progress bar widget and manually set the visible property to true | 10:15 |
| andyrock | didrocks: it's on xenial | 10:15 |
| andyrock | running from a chroot | 10:15 |
| andyrock | with same user settings I'm using | 10:15 |
| andyrock | I need to create another user with artful settings | 10:16 |
| andyrock | next week :P | 10:16 |
| didrocks | ;) | 10:16 |
| didrocks | but yeah, if they don't create the progress bar on the spot, tweaking the property as L_aney said is a good way | 10:16 |
| andyrock | I'll take a look | 10:17 |
| andyrock | I tried yeasterday but I got lost inside the inpector | 10:17 |
| didrocks | the serach doesn't work in the view pane btw, you need to go through the hierarchy manually | 10:18 |
| didrocks | like "box" doesn't match gtkbox | 10:18 |
| krashekspress__ | last update: after restart decrypt password, gdm, and gnome desktop are scrambled, relog to xorg, gnome-desktop is normal, relog back to wayland, gnome-desktop is normal and running on wayland | 10:18 |
| krashekspress__ | nice | 10:18 |
| didrocks | you need to type "gtkb…" | 10:18 |
| krashekspress__ | no restart for me | 10:18 |
| andyrock | didrocks: found... it's a GtkProgressBar under WebkitWebView | 10:19 |
| andyrock | I'll try to tweak it | 10:19 |
| didrocks | great! | 10:19 |
| andyrock | it's a small fix but annoying | 10:19 |
| andyrock | I mean the bug is annyoing | 10:20 |
| didrocks | I have the simple-scan regression (really from Marco this time!) which is a little bit more annoying to my taste :p | 10:20 |
| didrocks | we have a patch now to review from a contributor | 10:20 |
| Trevinho | yes, i've seen it... c-lobrano said would check it, if he can't ill jump oni t | 10:20 |
| Trevinho | ah, ok | 10:20 |
| didrocks | maybe Trevinho you want to review it, it's on bug #1721102 | 10:21 |
| ubot5 | bug 1721102 in ubuntu-themes (Ubuntu) "Thin line at the left of Simple Scan's "Scan" headerbar button" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1721102 | 10:21 |
| didrocks | Trevinho: no hurry, if we can stash andyrock's fix in as well… | 10:21 |
| andyrock | Trevinho: still awake or already awake? :D | 10:23 |
| andyrock | it's 5am there... isn't it? | 10:23 |
| didrocks | I guess as he was awake in our morning, it's a "still" | 10:24 |
| Trevinho | still :) | 10:30 |
| Laney | andyrock: I think the "/* OSD overlays */" bits are applying too broadly | 10:31 |
| krashekspress__ | how to completely remove unity after upgrade? | 10:32 |
| willcooke | krashekspress__, sudo apt remove unity-session | 10:37 |
| andyrock | didrocks: is there a gtk widget gallery application? | 10:41 |
| krashekspress__ | willcooke, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1724796 hope this is enough | 10:44 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1724796 in xorg (Ubuntu) "Picture is heavily malformed" [Undecided,New] | 10:44 |
| willcooke | andyrock, if you install gtk-3-examples, and then run gtk3-widget-factory - is that what you need? | 10:44 |
| willcooke | thanks krashekspress__ | 10:44 |
| andyrock | willcooke: thanks :) | 10:45 |
| Laney | not sure the levalbar in there is supposed to be green | 10:50 |
| Laney | levelbar | 10:50 |
| simosx | Is Ubuntu 17.10 (final) out? At http://releases.ubuntu.com/17.10/ it looks to be, but the ISO date is from yesterday. | 10:52 |
| andyrock | Laney: yeah I saw that too | 10:54 |
| andyrock | we can fix that too | 10:54 |
| andyrock | and I think you're right regarding the osd | 10:55 |
| andyrock | themes are hard | 10:55 |
| andyrock | :D | 10:55 |
| andyrock | poor didrocks | 10:55 |
| toto_la_praline | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/10/ubuntu-17-10-release-features | 11:00 |
| seb128 | andyrock, we still have a bunch of themes bugs indeed :-/ | 11:31 |
| seb128 | bug #1724651 is quite visible | 11:31 |
| ubot5 | bug 1724651 in ubuntu-themes (Ubuntu) "Nautilus progress spinner indicator is covered by a white rect in the beginning" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1724651 | 11:31 |
| andyrock | I'll push a safe fix for the osd progressbar soon | 11:31 |
| andyrock | *propose | 11:31 |
| seb128 | hopefully we have more polish on those next cycle | 11:31 |
| seb128 | bug #1707606 as well | 11:32 |
| ubot5 | bug 1707606 in ubuntu-themes (Ubuntu) "[nautilus] no sidebar mouseover selection displayed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1707606 | 11:32 |
| andyrock | we should start from adwaita | 11:32 |
| seb128 | let's see how the new theme projects goes | 11:36 |
| andyrock | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/dZv3UcQV/ | 11:40 |
| chrisccoulson | new theme project? | 11:40 |
| andyrock | this should be enough and safe | 11:40 |
| andyrock | to get this... (uploading video) | 11:40 |
| andyrock | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Zv4nR8bt/VID_20171019_133537.mp4 | 11:41 |
| andyrock | seb128, didrocks ^^^ | 11:41 |
| andyrock | Trevinho ^^^ | 11:41 |
| andyrock | it affects just osd progressbar | 11:41 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, the theme needs to be refreshed, we are discussing option but are probably going to try to work with the community on a new theme and see how it goes | 11:42 |
| andyrock | it's the same thing they're doing in adwaita | 11:42 |
| andyrock | if you're ok with that I can do a MP | 11:42 |
| seb128 | andyrock, result looks good but I can't tell from your css if that might impact other progressbars in a way it should not | 11:43 |
| seb128 | Laney might have a comment, he usually has an eye for potential issues that can come from css tweaks | 11:43 |
| andyrock | so ephipany has the same bug | 11:44 |
| andyrock | I'm opening a bug on lp | 11:45 |
| andyrock | waiting for didrocks and Laney to comment | 11:45 |
| seb128 | k | 11:45 |
| Laney | on the video? | 11:54 |
| Laney | the effect looks good ;-) | 11:54 |
| andyrock | https://code.launchpad.net/~azzar1/ubuntu-themes/fix-osd-progressbar/+merge/332491 | 11:55 |
| andyrock | I've to go for lunch now | 11:56 |
| andyrock | I'll be back in one hour | 11:56 |
| seb128 | andyrock, enjoy! | 11:57 |
| didrocks | andyrock: yeah, looking good! | 13:02 |
| * didrocks is back from a run, listened to Linux Unplugged giving very nice reviews of Ubuntu 17.10! | 13:03 | |
| seb128 | nice | 13:05 |
| willcooke | Nice! | 13:25 |
| willcooke | I hope we can see them again at the next rally, assuming there is one | 13:25 |
| didrocks | yep, so do I! | 13:26 |
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| * Laney stabs json | 13:40 | |
| Laney | this no-trailing-comma thing is the worst | 13:40 |
| krashekspress | is freeze bug known (when I press shut down icon in top panel gnome freezes for 10 sec before prompting me with shutdown dialog)? | 13:42 |
| vithiri | Who decided to put the dock at the bottom of the screen at https://www.ubuntu.com/? I suspect that's not the default desktop experience. :) | 13:43 |
| krashekspress | also suspend option is missing :( | 13:43 |
| seb128 | krashekspress, that freeze is not known/reported afaik | 13:44 |
| seb128 | vithiri, indeed that's not the default | 13:44 |
| Laney | meh, didn't see that | 13:44 |
| * Laney goes to hassle | 13:44 | |
| jbicha | yay, it's new but it's the same but it's amazing :) | 13:46 |
| Laney | duly hassled | 13:49 |
| jbicha | there's a video on https://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/1710 but the share links don't work. Maybe the video isn't public on vimeo? | 13:51 |
| jbicha | well this link works but not the twitter link https://player.vimeo.com/video/236987486 | 13:52 |
| didrocks | oSoMoN: how much do you want for removing the libreoffice start desktop file (I think putting it in its own package for people wanting it?) | 13:58 |
| didrocks | - the look is horrible and unthemed | 13:59 |
| didrocks | - opening any other app matches to this one in the Shell (there isn't the nice bamf heuristic we had) | 13:59 |
| didrocks | - the icon is… meh ;) | 13:59 |
| didrocks | - I don't think a lot of people are using it as a start page | 13:59 |
| jbicha | didrocks: LP: #1696250 | 14:01 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1696250 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Please hide Start Center and Math" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1696250 | 14:01 |
| ricotz | AA \o/ | 14:09 |
| xnox | didrocks, oooh, did we rotate the sidebar to be a taskbar? | 14:12 |
| xnox | didrocks, i must be out of date | 14:12 |
| xnox | didrocks, looking at https://www.ubuntu.com/ | 14:12 |
| didrocks | xnox: yeah, we discussed about it here ^ | 14:12 |
| didrocks | xnox: sounds like web team decided for us ;) | 14:12 |
| didrocks | (they are already aware by L_aney, let's see once that's fixed) | 14:12 |
| xnox | didrocks, lol Peter is savage | 14:12 |
| didrocks | heh | 14:12 |
| oSoMoN | didrocks, that's fine by me, we can put it in a separate package, or simply have it not shown by default | 14:44 |
| jbicha | oSoMoN: NoDisplay=true for both Start Center and Math then? | 14:44 |
| oSoMoN | yeah, that would do it | 14:46 |
| didrocks | I would prefer a separate package | 14:46 |
| didrocks | so that if they are fans of this, they can install it | 14:46 |
| didrocks | and it's not much maintenance (actually, it's 0 patch compared to NoDisplay) | 14:46 |
| oSoMoN | good point | 14:47 |
| oSoMoN | suggested package name? | 14:47 |
| didrocks | libreoffice-start-center? | 14:47 |
| didrocks | (and probably libreoffice-math for the math one) | 14:48 |
| didrocks | interestingly, there is already libreoffice-math | 14:48 |
| didrocks | I guess we need to install it to have formula support in writer? | 14:48 |
| didrocks | libreoffice-math-launcher (or -desktop?) | 14:48 |
| jbicha | I'm really skeptical whether there are people who want to run Math separately and can't just start Writer or whatever first and click File>New>Formula | 14:52 |
| didrocks | I don't have opinions on Math, I think the start center can still have some use case though | 14:53 |
| xnox | jbicha, wouldn't people use Math app to generate formulas and copy&paste them elsewhere? into e.g. google doc, email, etc? | 14:56 |
| jbicha | if you want to match the .desktop name it's libreoffice-startcenter and it looks like the binary which isn't needed elsewhere(?) is just /usr/bin/libreoffice | 14:56 |
| jbicha | xnox: are you one of those people? I'm ok with us just hiding Math until we get a bug report from a real user first :) | 14:57 |
| * xnox recalls doing that on Mac with a LatexIt app & Mac OS Keynote app | 14:57 | |
| xnox | jbicha, i'm not s real person, i am a *replicant* | 14:57 |
| * xnox goes to cry in a corner | 14:57 | |
| jbicha | xnox: it's ok, I'm using "people" broadly. You still count in my opinion! :) | 14:58 |
| jbicha | oops, nope you can't move /usr/bin/libreoffice it's required by the other .desktop's :( | 14:59 |
| didrocks | moving the .desktop alone is good enough IMHO (+ the correct dep, ofc ;)) | 15:00 |
| jbicha | anyway, the File>New>Formula works from Impress too | 15:00 |
| oSoMoN | I think Math is a valid use case (even though probably not so common), the generic start center on the other hand can be moved to a separate package | 15:00 |
| jbicha | Pop!_OS makes a custom folder in the Activities Overview and sticks all the LO stuff there | 15:04 |
| jbicha | 6 is just too many to show by default -- it takes up a whole row for me on the front page of Show Applications (25% of the apps on the front page are LO) | 15:06 |
| vithiri | didrocks: Was someone working on getting the picture at ubuntu.com changed, if it's supposed to show the left side dock instead? I can see that some news outlets are starting to source it now for their own announcements. :) | 15:08 |
| didrocks | vithiri: as Laney, he was the one poking the web team apparently | 15:09 |
| didrocks | ask* | 15:09 |
| vithiri | Laney: Was someone working on getting the picture at ubuntu.com changed, if it's supposed to show the left side dock instead? I can see that some news outlets are starting to source it now for their own announcements. :) (https://urbantecno.com/noticia/ubuntu-17-10-disponible-descargar) | 15:09 |
| Laney | yes | 15:10 |
| vithiri | Laney: \o/ | 15:11 |
| Laney | there's a pull request and all :-) | 15:14 |
| oSoMoN | jbicha, the folder idea sounds good to me | 15:14 |
| oSoMoN | didrocks, xnox: what do you guys think of the folder idea, to group all LO launchers? | 15:25 |
| didrocks | I'm not a big fan of folders, it's a little bit contrary to what GNOME wants by default | 15:26 |
| didrocks | so I would be vary of this | 15:26 |
| didrocks | (the only upstream one is the "utilities") | 15:27 |
| oSoMoN | didrocks, there's nothing on https://wiki.gnome.org/HowDoI/AppFolders that says it's contrary to GNOME guidelines | 15:28 |
| oSoMoN | not the default ≠ contrary to guidelines | 15:28 |
| didrocks | oSoMoN: well, talking to GNOME people | 15:29 |
| oSoMoN | (just exploring options here, not pushing for that solution in particular, but it sounds like an elegant solution to the problem) | 15:29 |
| jbicha | I was thinking about proposing that change to gnome-menus anyway | 15:30 |
| jbicha | gnome-menus hasn't had a release in 3 years, anyone want to be its maintainer? ;) | 15:30 |
| didrocks | I still think that would be a bad move, GNOME devs I know really prefers a flat hierarchy and are against those folders in general | 15:33 |
| jbicha | mcatanzaro has really been urging me to drop the extra LO icons by default like Fedora does (they only show the big 3) | 15:34 |
| oSoMoN | didrocks, fair enough, let's just hide the extra icons then | 15:44 |
| oSoMoN | I’ll mention the folder idea on the bug report for completeness | 15:45 |
| didrocks | yes ;) | 15:45 |
| didrocks | oSoMoN: well, hiding -> moving the start center to its own package, correct? (then, do whatever you want for Math) | 15:45 |
| oSoMoN | didrocks, yes, by hiding I meant that | 15:46 |
| oSoMoN | I'm still undecided about math | 15:46 |
| didrocks | same | 15:46 |
| oSoMoN | there's no UI in gnome that allows overriding a NoDisplay=true with a local desktop file, right? | 15:47 |
| didrocks | nothing upstream, there are 3rd party ones to create yours, ofc, but I don't think there is any listing expliciting the NoDisplay=true ones | 15:47 |
| jbicha | GNOME 2 used to offer alacarte. I assume it still works but I haven't used it in years | 15:51 |
| didrocks | yeah, last time I used it should be in… 2007-2008? | 15:51 |
| didrocks | man 10 years… /me goes crying in a corner | 15:52 |
| jibel | ah interesting bug, I was using an external monitor, unplugged it, resumed my laptop and it thinks the external monitor is still connected | 16:02 |
| oSoMoN | didrocks, you're old, get over it :) | 16:02 |
| didrocks | nooooooooooooooooo | 16:03 |
| didrocks | on this, going to a meetup to feel… well… old as well ;) | 16:04 |
| didrocks | see you tomorrow guys! | 16:04 |
| mbiebl | jbicha: https://people.debian.org/~biebl/close-button.png | 16:11 |
| mbiebl | trying out the gnome-session in 17.10 | 16:11 |
| mbiebl | the close button looks wrong | 16:11 |
| mbiebl | (too thin/small) | 16:11 |
| mhall119 | hey, can anyone give me a ballpark average for the build time of an application package? | 16:15 |
| mhall119 | can be order of magnitude scale, 1min 10min, 100min, etc | 16:18 |
| Laney | a deb? | 16:19 |
| mhall119 | yeah | 16:19 |
| mbiebl | jbicha: nvm, apparently org.gnome.desktop.interface icon-theme was set to "'ubuntu-mono-dark" | 16:19 |
| mbiebl | gsettings reset org.gnome.desktop.interface icon-theme fixed it | 16:19 |
| mbiebl | not sure why it was set like this | 16:20 |
| jbicha | might as well reset-recursively org.gnome.desktop.interface while you're at it :) | 16:20 |
| mbiebl | maybe I had changed that manually, don't remember | 16:20 |
| mbiebl | jbicha: those already are | 16:20 |
| mbiebl | $ gsettings list-recursively | grep Adwaita | 16:20 |
| mbiebl | org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences theme 'Adwaita' | 16:20 |
| mbiebl | org.gnome.desktop.interface icon-theme 'Adwaita' | 16:20 |
| mbiebl | org.gnome.desktop.interface gtk-theme 'Adwaita' | 16:20 |
| mbiebl | that looks ok now | 16:20 |
| * mgedmin wishes gsettings could list only those settings that have non-default values | 16:21 | |
| jbicha | by resetting the defaults, you should get the right settings whether you use ubuntu-session or gnome-session assuming you like defaults | 16:21 |
| mgedmin | (iirc 'dconf dump /' does exactly that, but I prefer the more-greppable gsettings output format) | 16:21 |
| mbiebl | jbicha: figured as much | 16:21 |
| mbiebl | so the problem is for users which had manually changed the theme in the past | 16:21 |
| mbiebl | e.g. to radiance or so | 16:22 |
| jbicha | mbiebl: do you think Debian is interested in cherry-picking Ubuntu's glib2.0 patches for per-desktop session or do you just want to wait for those to land upstream for GNOME 3.28? | 16:22 |
| mbiebl | but I guess there is not much you can do about that | 16:22 |
| mbiebl | If they land upstream anyway, I don't mind much if you cherry-pick them | 16:22 |
| mbiebl | (if that simplifies your work) | 16:22 |
| jbicha | Debian taking those patches won't matter too much for Ubuntu now. The patches still haven't landed in git master so maybe we should wait then? | 16:24 |
| mbiebl | nod | 16:25 |
| Laney | mhall119: sorry, forgot to reply | 17:04 |
| Laney | doesn't take too long for most things - you can see on launchpad e.g. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-calculator/1:3.25.92-0ubuntu1/+build/13571197 | 17:04 |
| Laney | night all, see you monday(!) | 17:05 |
| xnox | something odd has started to happen with my vga screen | 17:05 |
| xnox | it's no longer is identified as widescreen 1080, but as 1024x768 thing | 17:05 |
| xnox | is there anything i can do, to get support on this for xenial? | 17:05 |
| xnox | not sure if this is a kernel bug or just user config..... | 17:06 |
| oSoMoN | EOD here, good night all! | 17:23 |
| Trevinho | Hola | 17:44 |
| amano | TNX desktopers for fixing bug 1723577. Even for me (nouveau) that is fixed :) | 18:13 |
| ubot5 | bug 1723577 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "No login screen (mutter silently goes headless) on some AMD GPUs" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1723577 | 18:13 |
| amano | What a nastie: A mutter crash that leads to the startup of the X.org fallback session which can't be displayed due to a gnome-shell regression. Wow. No wonder that this was so hard to diagnose. And timely cropping up just before final freeze to keep the fun alive. | 18:14 |
| amano | 😎 | 18:15 |
| v3n0m | hey ! | 19:28 |
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