[05:29] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers!
[05:37] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[05:45] <didrocks> good morning
[05:45] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[05:45] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[05:46] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN, hey duflu
[05:53] <duflu> Hi didrocks
[05:53]  * duflu runs away for a while
[05:58] <Trevinho> hey guys...
[05:59] <oSoMoN> hey Trevinho
[06:00] <Trevinho> hi oSoMoN
[06:24] <didrocks> hey Trevinho
[06:25] <Trevinho> hey didrocks I've been following the ATI thing, nice work
[06:29] <didrocks> thanks Trevinho ;)
[06:29] <didrocks> was… quite timely
[06:30] <Trevinho> yeah, unfortunately I went to bed quite late last night as I wanted to finish patch for another crash, so i missed most of the party
[06:32] <didrocks> Trevinho: I have another definition of party that you have it seems ;-)
[06:32] <Trevinho> ahaha, well... You know, this kind of things when you  see them the day after are just a funny rush
[06:32] <didrocks> Trevinho: no worry, glad that we found the guilty commits. I'm now asking the guy to test the proper patch (preparing gnome-shell+mutter packages)
[06:32] <Trevinho> not in that moment though
[06:32] <didrocks> yep ;=
[06:33] <Trevinho> didrocks: oh, if you want then this one might be nice to have too https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=788908
[06:33] <didrocks> was a little bit like old unity times, near 11.04 release ;)
[06:33] <Trevinho> didrocks: it's not yet upstreamed but confirming fixing it, or in any case something similar will be there
[06:33] <didrocks> Trevinho: hum, it's just a test for a ppa, but we can get that one in a SRU we will surely do with the proper fix if confirmed to work
[06:33] <didrocks> Trevinho: mind turning your one in a SRU bug?
[06:34] <Trevinho> didrocks: sure, that was the idea anyway
[06:34] <Trevinho> didrocks: we're doing a sru0?
[06:34] <didrocks> wouldn't be sru0 at that time, but just a normal sru
[06:34] <didrocks> (we need to let it live a little bit in -proposed)
[06:35] <didrocks> there is still time, I think I'll upload this sru tomorrow, so just drop me a link if you want it in
[07:11] <willcooke> is it out yet?
[07:11] <willcooke> morning all :)
[07:20] <didrocks> good morning willcooke
[07:29] <flocculant> willcooke: ha ha ha
[07:29] <duflu> Morning willcooke. I hear it cures all ailments
[07:37] <duflu> didrocks, I was confused about the upstream fix being mutter and downstream gnome-shell. Is that a temporary workaround?
[07:38] <c-lobrano> morning all :)
[07:38] <duflu> Morning c-lobrano
[07:39] <c-lobrano> morning duflu
[07:39] <didrocks> duflu: what we got is a workaround, reverting headless mode
[07:39] <didrocks> duflu: the fix in mutter is to avoid triggering headless mode
[07:39] <didrocks> duflu: don't touch at this bug anymore I think. For the real SRU, we will open a new one
[07:39] <duflu> didrocks, was it amdgpu only? I read some more and yes only newer GPUs get that driver
[07:39] <didrocks> nope, radeon
[07:39] <didrocks> and the cards were 2010-2013
[07:39] <duflu> Yeah the original reporter had older hardware that should have been radeon
[07:40] <didrocks> (at least, for 2 of the 4 impacted users reporting it)
[07:40] <didrocks> I don't know for the 2 others, even if they have amd/ATI
[07:40] <didrocks> but yeah, I want as well a 900Mdpi screen ;)
[07:40] <didrocks> (which is what the driver reported)
[07:41]  * didrocks files an expense :p
[07:41] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:42] <didrocks> hey seb128! Happy release day
[07:42] <duflu> Morning seb128
[07:42] <seb128> hey Trevinho, didrocks, willcooke, duflu
[07:42] <jibel> morning seb128
[07:42] <seb128> didrocks, thanks, to you too :)
[07:42] <duflu> Hi jibel
[07:42] <seb128> hey jibel
[07:42] <didrocks> salut jibel
[07:42] <Trevinho> hi seb128
[07:42] <Trevinho> and jibel
[07:42] <seb128> Trevinho, wb! we missed you yesterday
[07:43] <jibel> didrocks, how much time would it take to draw a frame on such a monitor
[07:43] <jamesh> morning seb128, jibel
[07:43] <seb128> hey jamesh
[07:43] <jibel> morning all
[07:43] <didrocks> jibel: 0.00001 FPS? ;)
[07:43] <Trevinho> seb128: I read the backlog on systems, but too late
[07:43] <seb128> Trevinho, in what tz are you atm?
[07:44]  * duflu is also curious :)
[07:44] <Trevinho> seb128: I'm in Playa del Carmen, so... Quintana Roo, it has q bit different tz than other parts of mexico from what I heard from
[07:44] <Trevinho> anyway it's 2:44 here now :)
[07:44] <seb128> lol
[07:45] <duflu> "Where in the world is Trevinho?" ... there's a game in that
[07:45] <seb128> yeah, but then his own tz doesn't mach the one he's staying in :p
[07:46] <seb128> he had 0 overlap with Europe yesterday
[07:46] <seb128> which means he was living on .nz standards :p
[07:46] <seb128> at least Robert gets company on his work hours! :)
[07:47] <jamesh> TZ=Trevinho date
[07:47] <Trevinho> actually this was an Idea I had few days ago...
[07:48] <Trevinho> I should use in all my devices my own Tz depending on when I go to bed...
[07:48] <Trevinho> :-D
[07:48] <duflu> Wait long enough and he'll be working out of Mars. The TZ question won't even make sense
[07:48] <Trevinho> ahah
[07:48] <jamesh> and all it would require is to push out a new tzdata every time you fly somewhere
[07:49] <Trevinho> seb128: yes I had overlap yesterday.. in the early morning
[07:49] <Trevinho> and well your EOD or sort of
[07:50] <Trevinho> this was 10 utc https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=788908#c6 :) and was my last thing before stopping I think
[08:03] <duflu> didrocks, in related news - https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1724732
[08:04] <didrocks> duflu: yeah, this is to be expected
[08:04] <didrocks> duflu: they were already using Xorg anyway
[08:04] <didrocks> duflu: do you want to test upstream fix btw? To see if that makes them wayland-compatible
[08:04] <didrocks> or just fallback to Xorg, but without crashes?
[08:05] <duflu> didrocks, I'm confused. The card does support Wayland and is the only active GPU. I wouldn't say "expected" :)
[08:05] <Laney> morning
[08:05] <duflu> didrocks, no thanks. I'm back to Intel and have other bugs to finish
[08:05] <duflu> Morning Laney
[08:05] <didrocks> duflu: won't know if upstream fixed it for you thus, but when you have time to go back at this…
[08:05] <didrocks> hey Laney
[08:07] <duflu> didrocks, will gdm3 automatically hide Wayland on all hybrids?
[08:07] <duflu> It appears my BIOS won't let me use hybrid to test
[08:07] <didrocks> duflu: no, they will if the session crashes for any reason
[08:08] <didrocks> or if you don't have drm support (which isn't your case)
[08:08] <duflu> didrocks, ah yes. I remember now - it did that when I was testing changes to mutter and crashed
[08:10] <seb128> hey Laney
[08:11] <seb128> Laney, how are things today?
[08:12] <duflu> didrocks, what's the simplest way to tell users to enable mutter logging on a live system?
[08:16] <andyrock> hey all!
[08:16] <didrocks> duflu: on a live? hem… I think breaking in casper-bottom isn't an option… do you think changing a file in a shell command, loging out and login back in is an option?
[08:17] <didrocks> (that would mean they first end up in a working session)
[08:17] <duflu> didrocks, Yeah G_DEBUG...?
[08:17] <didrocks> yep, in the .session file
[08:17] <didrocks> /usr/share/wayland-sessions/ubuntu.desktop -> Exec line
[08:18] <didrocks> (I'm already exporting the ubuntu mode there)
[08:18] <didrocks> duflu: there are more env variables for mutter, one sec
[08:18] <didrocks> duflu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25770966/
[08:19] <didrocks> (writing here the logs in a temporary file)
[08:19] <duflu> Thanks didrocks
[08:19]  * didrocks is tempted to create a package to install to add those to the global environment
[08:19] <didrocks> yw
[08:20] <duflu> didrocks, yeah that and gnome-shell in general but mostly for mutter startup problems. I have a bug for that already
[08:20] <didrocks> I guess i'll do it for 18.04, it's just a question of shipping a file in /usr/lib/environment.d
[08:20] <duflu> didrocks, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1696030
[08:20]  * didrocks adds a tab
[08:25] <Laney> seb128: getting cold now, autumn is really here :-o
[08:25] <Laney> but release day, so happy
[08:25] <Laney> you?
[08:25] <Laney> hey andyrock, how's it going?
[08:25] <duflu> andyrock, I'm almost sad the PS4 rotation bug is getting fixed
[08:25] <duflu> It was a handy test tool
[08:25] <andyrock> duflu: ahahah
[08:25] <andyrock> hey Laney good good
[08:26] <duflu> Plenty of laptops don't have (supported) accelerometers
[08:26] <andyrock> looking for a new latop battery
[08:26] <andyrock> mine is completetly gone
[08:28] <seb128> Laney, I'm good thanks, it's cold but sunny here which is nice!
[08:28] <Laney> oh those are good days
[08:28] <Laney> we just have grey mist
[08:30] <seb128> :-/
[08:30] <didrocks> Trevinho: for https://github.com/ubuntu/gnome-shell-extension-appindicator/pull/97, do you have a ready-to-go SRU bug ref?
[08:32] <willcooke> andyrock, re: laptop battery, in my limited experience, the cheap ebay copies offer < 50% the advertised capacity
[08:32] <seb128> ricotz, hey, do you know who bug #1724773 should be reported to? it seems an issue with the libreoffice/libreoffice-5-4/ubuntu ppa
[08:32] <andyrock> willcooke: I thinking about the original one
[08:33] <andyrock> but it's not easy to find here in Italy
[08:33] <seb128> andyrock, willcooke, I've changed my Dell latitude one for the 3rd time and decided to take a cheap one this time, I can recommend not doing that. I had my laptop giving me the "battery empty led" and powering down a few time while the battery was charged, some bits are getting of the back and capacity is less good
[08:34] <Trevinho> didrocks:  1 sec
[08:35] <didrocks> willcooke: yeah, once I'll change my own battery, thanks to you, I know that I should buy only the original one
[08:35] <Trevinho> didrocks: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-appindicator/+bug/1719192
[08:35] <seb128> Trevinho, bug #1714989 seems to have to do with dash-to-panel
[08:35] <didrocks> Trevinho: mind turning it to a SRU bug?
[08:36] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, I give a quick read but I wanted to move on that bug once I'm done with the other
[08:36] <Trevinho> didrocks: ok
[08:36] <didrocks> thx! ;)
[08:36] <seb128> Trevinho, I just updated the title to say that
[08:36] <seb128> lol, wth https://launchpadlibrarian.net/340950618/GsettingsChanges.txt
[08:36] <didrocks> "soft config"
[08:36] <didrocks> :)
[08:36] <didrocks> waow, there are even duplicates in the list
[08:38] <seb128> right, that seems weird/buggy
[08:38] <seb128> it's good that we have those info including by apport though
[08:38] <didrocks> yep
[08:38] <seb128> it made it easy to see that the segfault mentioned reports are all using dash to panel
[08:51] <Trevinho> didrocks: done, bug is actually https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-appindicator/+bug/1712866
[08:52] <duflu> http://releases.ubuntu.com/17.10/
[08:53] <didrocks> Trevinho: meraviglioso!
[09:57] <krashekspress> got strande problem with rx580 after boot to 17.10
[09:57] <krashekspress> https://photos.app.goo.gl/CxHgKE9PvEQRM37g2
[09:57] <krashekspress> screenshot from ubuntu is fine
[10:05] <willcooke> krashekspress, can you try with an Xorg session and see if that makes any difference? (https://ubuntucommunity.s3-us-east-2.amazonaws.com/original/1X/a9e5b475501e411707b336e592249ddc7600a6e8.gif)
[10:05] <krashekspress_2> Xorg works fine
[10:06] <krashekspress_2> but screen is like this onlo on prompt for disk decrypt password
[10:06] <krashekspress_2> *also
[10:07] <willcooke> krashekspress_2, please could you log a bug against "gnome-shell"  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[10:08] <krashekspress_2> are you sure it is gnome-shell bug, same problem is right after I choose Ubuntu on boot (screen where I need to enter disk decrypt password)
[10:08] <krashekspress_2> anyway, will fill bug, sure
[10:09] <willcooke> thanks krashekspress_2, we can always move it to the correct place later
[10:10] <andyrock> didrocks is this a known issue? i mean the weird progress bar https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/t1Oz0hk7/IMG_20171019_120817.jpg
[10:10] <andyrock> sorry for the low quality picture
[10:11] <andyrock> was not easy to capture with a screenshot
[10:11] <andyrock> with adwaita the scrollbar looks nice
[10:11] <didrocks> andyrock: ah, first time I'm seeing it
[10:11] <andyrock> I can fix this buuuuut I've no idea where to start
[10:12] <andyrock> :D
[10:12] <didrocks> I'm tempted to blame Trevinho on any theme's regression ofc! ;)
[10:12] <krashekspress_> willcooke, I just logged out and choose wayland and logged back in, no error, is there easy way to check on which session I'm on?
[10:12] <andyrock> ahahaha
[10:12] <andyrock> it has been there for a while
[10:12] <didrocks> andyrock: the position is the same?
[10:12] <didrocks> with adwaita?
[10:12] <andyrock> didrocks: yeah on the top
[10:12] <Trevinho> didrocks: no I didn't touch progress bars :)
[10:12] <andyrock> but with adwaita there is no border
[10:12] <didrocks> ok, only the width though
[10:12] <andyrock> and the width is smaller
[10:13] <andyrock> should be easy to fix but I don't know which component is this
[10:13] <didrocks> Trevinho: more seriously, it could be we never adapted to new layouts IMHO
[10:13] <willcooke> krashekspress_, not sure what the best way is, but I do "alt-f2" and then type "r" and hit enter.  If it says that you cant restart because of Wayland, then Wayland, if it does restart the session then its xorg
[10:13] <Laney> echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE
[10:13] <didrocks> andyrock: with the pickler in the inspector?
[10:13] <willcooke> krashekspress_, see comment from Laney ^
[10:13] <krashekspress_> according to alt+f2 it is wayland
[10:14] <andyrock> I can try, but it's hard to  use because it's fast!!
[10:14] <andyrock> let me try to make it slower
[10:15] <krashekspress_> willcooke, definitely wayland, gonna restart to see if problem returns
[10:15] <didrocks> andyrock: buttons on the left, seriously? :p
[10:15] <Laney> andyrock: start the inspector, select the view, find the progress bar widget and manually set the visible property to true
[10:15] <andyrock> didrocks: it's on xenial
[10:15] <andyrock> running from a chroot
[10:15] <andyrock> with same user settings I'm using
[10:16] <andyrock> I need to create another user with artful settings
[10:16] <andyrock> next week :P
[10:16] <didrocks> ;)
[10:16] <didrocks> but yeah, if they don't create the progress bar on the spot, tweaking the property as L_aney said is a good way
[10:17] <andyrock> I'll take a look
[10:17] <andyrock> I tried yeasterday but I got lost inside the inpector
[10:18] <didrocks> the serach doesn't work in the view pane btw, you need to go through the hierarchy manually
[10:18] <didrocks> like "box" doesn't match gtkbox
[10:18] <krashekspress__> last update: after restart decrypt password, gdm, and gnome desktop are scrambled, relog to xorg, gnome-desktop is normal, relog back to wayland, gnome-desktop is normal and running on wayland
[10:18] <krashekspress__> nice
[10:18] <didrocks> you need to type "gtkb…"
[10:18] <krashekspress__> no restart for me
[10:19] <andyrock> didrocks: found... it's a GtkProgressBar under WebkitWebView
[10:19] <andyrock> I'll try to tweak it
[10:19] <didrocks> great!
[10:19] <andyrock> it's a small fix but annoying
[10:20] <andyrock> I mean the bug is annyoing
[10:20] <didrocks> I have the simple-scan regression (really from Marco this time!) which is a little bit more annoying to my taste :p
[10:20] <didrocks> we have a patch now to review from a contributor
[10:20] <Trevinho> yes, i've seen it... c-lobrano said would check it, if he can't ill jump oni t
[10:20] <Trevinho> ah, ok
[10:21] <didrocks> maybe Trevinho you want to review it, it's on bug #1721102
[10:21] <didrocks> Trevinho: no hurry, if we can stash andyrock's fix in as well…
[10:23] <andyrock> Trevinho: still awake or already awake? :D
[10:23] <andyrock> it's 5am there... isn't it?
[10:24] <didrocks> I guess as he was awake in our morning, it's a "still"
[10:30] <Trevinho> still :)
[10:31] <Laney> andyrock: I think the "/* OSD overlays */" bits are applying too broadly
[10:32] <krashekspress__> how to completely remove unity after upgrade?
[10:37] <willcooke> krashekspress__, sudo apt remove unity-session
[10:41] <andyrock> didrocks: is there a gtk widget gallery application?
[10:44] <krashekspress__> willcooke, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1724796 hope this is enough
[10:44] <willcooke> andyrock, if you install gtk-3-examples, and then run gtk3-widget-factory - is that what you need?
[10:44] <willcooke> thanks krashekspress__
[10:45] <andyrock> willcooke: thanks :)
[10:50] <Laney> not sure the levalbar in there is supposed to be green
[10:50] <Laney> levelbar
[10:52] <simosx> Is Ubuntu 17.10 (final) out? At http://releases.ubuntu.com/17.10/ it looks to be, but the ISO date is from yesterday.
[10:54] <andyrock> Laney: yeah I saw that too
[10:54] <andyrock> we can fix that too
[10:55] <andyrock> and I think you're right regarding the osd
[10:55] <andyrock> themes are hard
[10:55] <andyrock> :D
[10:55] <andyrock> poor didrocks
[11:00] <toto_la_praline> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/10/ubuntu-17-10-release-features
[11:31] <seb128> andyrock, we still have a bunch of themes bugs indeed :-/
[11:31] <seb128> bug #1724651 is quite visible
[11:31] <andyrock> I'll push a safe fix for the osd progressbar soon
[11:31] <andyrock> *propose
[11:31] <seb128> hopefully we have more polish on those next cycle
[11:32] <seb128> bug #1707606 as well
[11:32] <andyrock> we should start from adwaita
[11:36] <seb128> let's see how the new theme projects goes
[11:40] <andyrock> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/dZv3UcQV/
[11:40] <chrisccoulson> new theme project?
[11:40] <andyrock> this should be enough and safe
[11:40] <andyrock> to get this... (uploading video)
[11:41] <andyrock> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Zv4nR8bt/VID_20171019_133537.mp4
[11:41] <andyrock> seb128, didrocks ^^^
[11:41] <andyrock> Trevinho ^^^
[11:41] <andyrock> it affects just osd progressbar
[11:42] <seb128> chrisccoulson, the theme needs to be refreshed, we are discussing option but are probably going to try to work with the community on a new theme and see how it goes
[11:42] <andyrock> it's the same thing they're doing in adwaita
[11:42] <andyrock> if you're ok with that I can do a MP
[11:43] <seb128> andyrock, result looks good but I can't tell from your css if that might impact other progressbars in a way it should not
[11:43] <seb128> Laney might have a comment, he usually has an eye for potential issues that can come from css tweaks
[11:44] <andyrock> so ephipany has the same bug
[11:45] <andyrock> I'm opening a bug on lp
[11:45] <andyrock> waiting for didrocks and Laney to comment
[11:45] <seb128> k
[11:54] <Laney> on the video?
[11:54] <Laney> the effect looks good ;-)
[11:55] <andyrock> https://code.launchpad.net/~azzar1/ubuntu-themes/fix-osd-progressbar/+merge/332491
[11:56] <andyrock> I've to go for lunch now
[11:56] <andyrock> I'll be back in one hour
[11:57] <seb128> andyrock, enjoy!
[13:02] <didrocks> andyrock: yeah, looking good!
[13:03]  * didrocks is back from a run, listened to Linux Unplugged giving very nice reviews of Ubuntu 17.10!
[13:05] <seb128> nice
[13:25] <willcooke> Nice!
[13:25] <willcooke> I hope we can see them again at the next rally, assuming there is one
[13:26] <didrocks> yep, so do I!
[13:40]  * Laney stabs json
[13:40] <Laney> this no-trailing-comma thing is the worst
[13:42] <krashekspress> is freeze bug known (when I press shut down icon in top panel gnome freezes for 10 sec before prompting me with shutdown dialog)?
[13:43] <vithiri> Who decided to put the dock at the bottom of the screen at https://www.ubuntu.com/? I suspect that's not the default desktop experience. :)
[13:43] <krashekspress> also suspend option is missing :(
[13:44] <seb128> krashekspress, that freeze is not known/reported afaik
[13:44] <seb128> vithiri, indeed that's not the default
[13:44] <Laney> meh, didn't see that
[13:44]  * Laney goes to hassle
[13:46] <jbicha> yay, it's new but it's the same but it's amazing :)
[13:49] <Laney> duly hassled
[13:51] <jbicha> there's a video on https://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/1710 but the share links don't work. Maybe the video isn't public on vimeo?
[13:52] <jbicha> well this link works but not the twitter link https://player.vimeo.com/video/236987486
[13:58] <didrocks> oSoMoN: how much do you want for removing the libreoffice start desktop file (I think putting it in its own package for people wanting it?)
[13:59] <didrocks> - the look is horrible and unthemed
[13:59] <didrocks> - opening any other app matches to this one in the Shell (there isn't the nice bamf heuristic we had)
[13:59] <didrocks> - the icon is… meh ;)
[13:59] <didrocks> - I don't think a lot of people are using it as a start page
[14:01] <jbicha> didrocks: LP: #1696250
[14:09] <ricotz> AA \o/
[14:12] <xnox> didrocks, oooh, did we rotate the sidebar to be a taskbar?
[14:12] <xnox> didrocks, i must be out of date
[14:12] <xnox> didrocks, looking at https://www.ubuntu.com/
[14:12] <didrocks> xnox: yeah, we discussed about it here ^
[14:12] <didrocks> xnox: sounds like web team decided for us ;)
[14:12] <didrocks> (they are already aware by L_aney, let's see once that's fixed)
[14:12] <xnox> didrocks, lol Peter is savage
[14:12] <didrocks> heh
[14:44] <oSoMoN> didrocks, that's fine by me, we can put it in a separate package, or simply have it not shown by default
[14:44] <jbicha> oSoMoN: NoDisplay=true for both Start Center and Math then?
[14:46] <oSoMoN> yeah, that would do it
[14:46] <didrocks> I would prefer a separate package
[14:46] <didrocks> so that if they are fans of this, they can install it
[14:46] <didrocks> and it's not much maintenance (actually, it's 0 patch compared to NoDisplay)
[14:47] <oSoMoN> good point
[14:47] <oSoMoN> suggested package name?
[14:47] <didrocks> libreoffice-start-center?
[14:48] <didrocks> (and probably libreoffice-math for the math one)
[14:48] <didrocks> interestingly, there is already libreoffice-math
[14:48] <didrocks> I guess we need to install it to have formula support in writer?
[14:48] <didrocks> libreoffice-math-launcher (or -desktop?)
[14:52] <jbicha> I'm really skeptical whether there are people who want to run Math separately and can't just start Writer or whatever first and click File>New>Formula
[14:53] <didrocks> I don't have opinions on Math, I think the start center can still have some use case though
[14:56] <xnox> jbicha, wouldn't people use Math app to generate formulas and copy&paste them elsewhere? into e.g. google doc, email, etc?
[14:56] <jbicha> if you want to match the .desktop name it's libreoffice-startcenter and it looks like the binary which isn't needed elsewhere(?) is just /usr/bin/libreoffice
[14:57] <jbicha> xnox: are you one of those people? I'm ok with us just hiding Math until we get a bug report from a real user first :)
[14:57]  * xnox recalls doing that on Mac with a LatexIt app & Mac OS Keynote app
[14:57] <xnox> jbicha, i'm not s real person, i am a *replicant*
[14:57]  * xnox goes to cry in a corner
[14:58] <jbicha> xnox: it's ok, I'm using "people" broadly. You still count in my opinion! :)
[14:59] <jbicha> oops, nope you can't move /usr/bin/libreoffice it's required by the other .desktop's :(
[15:00] <didrocks> moving the .desktop alone is good enough IMHO (+ the correct dep, ofc ;))
[15:00] <jbicha> anyway, the File>New>Formula works from Impress too
[15:00] <oSoMoN> I think Math is a valid use case (even though probably not so common), the generic start center on the other hand can be moved to a separate package
[15:04] <jbicha> Pop!_OS makes a custom folder in the Activities Overview and sticks all the LO stuff there
[15:06] <jbicha> 6 is just too many to show by default -- it takes up a whole row for me on the front page of Show Applications (25% of the apps on the front page are LO)
[15:08] <vithiri> didrocks: Was someone working on getting the picture at ubuntu.com changed, if it's supposed to show the left side dock instead? I can see that some news outlets are starting to source it now for their own announcements. :)
[15:09] <didrocks> vithiri: as Laney, he was the one poking the web team apparently
[15:09] <didrocks> ask*
[15:09] <vithiri> Laney: Was someone working on getting the picture at ubuntu.com changed, if it's supposed to show the left side dock instead? I can see that some news outlets are starting to source it now for their own announcements. :) (https://urbantecno.com/noticia/ubuntu-17-10-disponible-descargar)
[15:10] <Laney> yes
[15:11] <vithiri> Laney: \o/
[15:14] <Laney> there's a pull request and all :-)
[15:14] <oSoMoN> jbicha, the folder idea sounds good to me
[15:25] <oSoMoN> didrocks, xnox: what do you guys think of the folder idea, to group all LO launchers?
[15:26] <didrocks> I'm not a big fan of folders, it's a little bit contrary to what GNOME wants by default
[15:26] <didrocks> so I would be vary of this
[15:27] <didrocks> (the only upstream one is the "utilities")
[15:28] <oSoMoN> didrocks, there's nothing on https://wiki.gnome.org/HowDoI/AppFolders that says it's contrary to GNOME guidelines
[15:28] <oSoMoN> not the default ≠ contrary to guidelines
[15:29] <didrocks> oSoMoN: well, talking to GNOME people
[15:29] <oSoMoN> (just exploring options here, not pushing for that solution in particular, but it sounds like an elegant solution to the problem)
[15:30] <jbicha> I was thinking about proposing that change to gnome-menus anyway
[15:30] <jbicha> gnome-menus hasn't had a release in 3 years, anyone want to be its maintainer? ;)
[15:33] <didrocks> I still think that would be a bad move, GNOME devs I know really prefers a flat hierarchy and are against those folders in general
[15:34] <jbicha> mcatanzaro has really been urging me to drop the extra LO icons by default like Fedora does (they only show the big 3)
[15:44] <oSoMoN> didrocks, fair enough, let's just hide the extra icons then
[15:45] <oSoMoN> I’ll mention the folder idea on the bug report for completeness
[15:45] <didrocks> yes ;)
[15:45] <didrocks> oSoMoN: well, hiding -> moving the start center to its own package, correct? (then, do whatever you want for Math)
[15:46] <oSoMoN> didrocks, yes, by hiding I meant that
[15:46] <oSoMoN> I'm still undecided about math
[15:46] <didrocks> same
[15:47] <oSoMoN> there's no UI in gnome that allows overriding a NoDisplay=true with a local desktop file, right?
[15:47] <didrocks> nothing upstream, there are 3rd party ones to create yours, ofc, but I don't think there is any listing expliciting the NoDisplay=true ones
[15:51] <jbicha> GNOME 2 used to offer alacarte. I assume it still works but I haven't used it in years
[15:51] <didrocks> yeah, last time I used it should be in… 2007-2008?
[15:52] <didrocks> man 10 years… /me goes crying in a corner
[16:02] <jibel> ah interesting bug, I was using an external monitor, unplugged it, resumed my laptop and it thinks the external monitor is still connected
[16:02] <oSoMoN> didrocks, you're old, get over it :)
[16:03] <didrocks> nooooooooooooooooo
[16:04] <didrocks> on this, going to a meetup to feel… well… old as well ;)
[16:04] <didrocks> see you tomorrow guys!
[16:11] <mbiebl> jbicha: https://people.debian.org/~biebl/close-button.png
[16:11] <mbiebl> trying out the gnome-session in 17.10
[16:11] <mbiebl> the close button looks wrong
[16:11] <mbiebl> (too thin/small)
[16:15] <mhall119> hey, can anyone give me a ballpark average for the build time of an application package?
[16:18] <mhall119> can be order of magnitude scale, 1min 10min, 100min, etc
[16:19] <Laney> a deb?
[16:19] <mhall119> yeah
[16:19] <mbiebl> jbicha: nvm, apparently org.gnome.desktop.interface icon-theme was set to "'ubuntu-mono-dark"
[16:19] <mbiebl> gsettings reset org.gnome.desktop.interface icon-theme fixed it
[16:20] <mbiebl> not sure why it was set like this
[16:20] <jbicha> might as well reset-recursively org.gnome.desktop.interface while you're at it :)
[16:20] <mbiebl> maybe I had changed that manually, don't remember
[16:20] <mbiebl> jbicha: those already are
[16:20] <mbiebl> $ gsettings list-recursively | grep Adwaita
[16:20] <mbiebl> org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences theme 'Adwaita'
[16:20] <mbiebl> org.gnome.desktop.interface icon-theme 'Adwaita'
[16:20] <mbiebl> org.gnome.desktop.interface gtk-theme 'Adwaita'
[16:20] <mbiebl> that looks ok now
[16:21]  * mgedmin wishes gsettings could list only those settings that have non-default values
[16:21] <jbicha> by resetting the defaults, you should get the right settings whether you use ubuntu-session or gnome-session assuming you like defaults
[16:21] <mgedmin> (iirc 'dconf dump /' does exactly that, but I prefer the more-greppable gsettings output format)
[16:21] <mbiebl> jbicha: figured as much
[16:21] <mbiebl> so the problem is for users which had manually changed the theme in the past
[16:22] <mbiebl> e.g. to radiance or so
[16:22] <jbicha> mbiebl: do you think Debian is interested in cherry-picking Ubuntu's glib2.0 patches for per-desktop session or do you just want to wait for those to land upstream for GNOME 3.28?
[16:22] <mbiebl> but I guess there is not much you can do about that
[16:22] <mbiebl> If they land upstream anyway, I don't mind much if you cherry-pick them
[16:22] <mbiebl> (if that simplifies your work)
[16:24] <jbicha> Debian taking those patches won't matter too much for Ubuntu now. The patches still haven't landed in git master so maybe we should wait then?
[16:25] <mbiebl> nod
[17:04] <Laney> mhall119: sorry, forgot to reply
[17:04] <Laney> doesn't take too long for most things - you can see on launchpad e.g. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-calculator/1:3.25.92-0ubuntu1/+build/13571197
[17:05] <Laney> night all, see you monday(!)
[17:05] <xnox> something odd has started to happen with my vga screen
[17:05] <xnox> it's no longer is identified as widescreen 1080, but as 1024x768 thing
[17:05] <xnox> is there anything i can do, to get support on this for xenial?
[17:06] <xnox> not sure if this is a kernel bug or just user config.....
[17:23] <oSoMoN> EOD here, good night all!
[17:44] <Trevinho> Hola
[18:13] <amano> TNX desktopers for  fixing bug 1723577.  Even for me (nouveau) that is fixed :)
[18:14] <amano> What a nastie: A mutter crash that leads to the startup of the X.org fallback session which can't be displayed due to a gnome-shell regression. Wow. No wonder that this was so hard to diagnose. And timely cropping up just before final freeze to keep the fun alive.
[18:15] <amano> 😎
[19:28] <v3n0m> hey !