[05:29] good morning desktoppers! [05:37] Morning oSoMoN [05:45] good morning [05:45] hey duflu [05:45] salut didrocks [05:46] salut oSoMoN, hey duflu [05:53] Hi didrocks [05:53] * duflu runs away for a while [05:58] hey guys... [05:59] hey Trevinho [06:00] hi oSoMoN [06:24] hey Trevinho [06:25] hey didrocks I've been following the ATI thing, nice work [06:29] thanks Trevinho ;) [06:29] was… quite timely [06:30] yeah, unfortunately I went to bed quite late last night as I wanted to finish patch for another crash, so i missed most of the party [06:32] Trevinho: I have another definition of party that you have it seems ;-) [06:32] ahaha, well... You know, this kind of things when you see them the day after are just a funny rush [06:32] Trevinho: no worry, glad that we found the guilty commits. I'm now asking the guy to test the proper patch (preparing gnome-shell+mutter packages) [06:32] not in that moment though [06:32] yep ;= [06:33] didrocks: oh, if you want then this one might be nice to have too https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=788908 [06:33] Gnome bug 788908 in st "gnome-shell crashed with SIGSEGV in clutter_actor_get_allocation_box (from _st_create_shadow_pipeline_from_actor)" [Normal,New] [06:33] was a little bit like old unity times, near 11.04 release ;) [06:33] didrocks: it's not yet upstreamed but confirming fixing it, or in any case something similar will be there [06:33] Trevinho: hum, it's just a test for a ppa, but we can get that one in a SRU we will surely do with the proper fix if confirmed to work [06:33] Trevinho: mind turning your one in a SRU bug? [06:34] didrocks: sure, that was the idea anyway [06:34] didrocks: we're doing a sru0? [06:34] wouldn't be sru0 at that time, but just a normal sru [06:34] (we need to let it live a little bit in -proposed) [06:35] there is still time, I think I'll upload this sru tomorrow, so just drop me a link if you want it in [07:11] is it out yet? [07:11] morning all :) === Guest49249 is now known as fredp === fredp is now known as Guest63426 [07:20] good morning willcooke [07:29] willcooke: ha ha ha [07:29] Morning willcooke. I hear it cures all ailments [07:37] didrocks, I was confused about the upstream fix being mutter and downstream gnome-shell. Is that a temporary workaround? [07:38] morning all :) [07:38] Morning c-lobrano [07:39] morning duflu [07:39] duflu: what we got is a workaround, reverting headless mode [07:39] duflu: the fix in mutter is to avoid triggering headless mode [07:39] duflu: don't touch at this bug anymore I think. For the real SRU, we will open a new one [07:39] didrocks, was it amdgpu only? I read some more and yes only newer GPUs get that driver [07:39] nope, radeon [07:39] and the cards were 2010-2013 [07:39] Yeah the original reporter had older hardware that should have been radeon [07:40] (at least, for 2 of the 4 impacted users reporting it) [07:40] I don't know for the 2 others, even if they have amd/ATI [07:40] but yeah, I want as well a 900Mdpi screen ;) [07:40] (which is what the driver reported) [07:41] * didrocks files an expense :p [07:41] good morning desktopers [07:42] hey seb128! Happy release day [07:42] Morning seb128 [07:42] hey Trevinho, didrocks, willcooke, duflu [07:42] morning seb128 [07:42] didrocks, thanks, to you too :) [07:42] Hi jibel [07:42] hey jibel [07:42] salut jibel [07:42] hi seb128 [07:42] and jibel [07:42] Trevinho, wb! we missed you yesterday [07:43] didrocks, how much time would it take to draw a frame on such a monitor [07:43] morning seb128, jibel [07:43] hey jamesh [07:43] morning all [07:43] jibel: 0.00001 FPS? ;) [07:43] seb128: I read the backlog on systems, but too late [07:43] Trevinho, in what tz are you atm? [07:44] * duflu is also curious :) [07:44] seb128: I'm in Playa del Carmen, so... Quintana Roo, it has q bit different tz than other parts of mexico from what I heard from [07:44] anyway it's 2:44 here now :) [07:44] lol [07:45] "Where in the world is Trevinho?" ... there's a game in that [07:45] yeah, but then his own tz doesn't mach the one he's staying in :p [07:46] he had 0 overlap with Europe yesterday [07:46] which means he was living on .nz standards :p [07:46] at least Robert gets company on his work hours! :) [07:47] TZ=Trevinho date [07:47] actually this was an Idea I had few days ago... [07:48] I should use in all my devices my own Tz depending on when I go to bed... [07:48] :-D [07:48] Wait long enough and he'll be working out of Mars. The TZ question won't even make sense [07:48] ahah [07:48] and all it would require is to push out a new tzdata every time you fly somewhere [07:49] seb128: yes I had overlap yesterday.. in the early morning [07:49] and well your EOD or sort of [07:50] this was 10 utc https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=788908#c6 :) and was my last thing before stopping I think [07:50] Gnome bug 788908 in st "gnome-shell crashed with SIGSEGV in clutter_actor_get_allocation_box (from _st_create_shadow_pipeline_from_actor)" [Normal,New] [08:03] didrocks, in related news - https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1724732 [08:03] Ubuntu bug 1724732 in mutter (Ubuntu) "Wayland login options are missing when a radeon card is installed" [Undecided,New] [08:04] duflu: yeah, this is to be expected [08:04] duflu: they were already using Xorg anyway [08:04] duflu: do you want to test upstream fix btw? To see if that makes them wayland-compatible [08:04] or just fallback to Xorg, but without crashes? [08:05] didrocks, I'm confused. The card does support Wayland and is the only active GPU. I wouldn't say "expected" :) [08:05] morning [08:05] didrocks, no thanks. I'm back to Intel and have other bugs to finish [08:05] Morning Laney [08:05] duflu: won't know if upstream fixed it for you thus, but when you have time to go back at this… [08:05] hey Laney [08:07] didrocks, will gdm3 automatically hide Wayland on all hybrids? [08:07] It appears my BIOS won't let me use hybrid to test [08:07] duflu: no, they will if the session crashes for any reason [08:08] or if you don't have drm support (which isn't your case) [08:08] didrocks, ah yes. I remember now - it did that when I was testing changes to mutter and crashed [08:10] hey Laney [08:11] Laney, how are things today? [08:12] didrocks, what's the simplest way to tell users to enable mutter logging on a live system? [08:16] hey all! [08:16] duflu: on a live? hem… I think breaking in casper-bottom isn't an option… do you think changing a file in a shell command, loging out and login back in is an option? [08:17] (that would mean they first end up in a working session) [08:17] didrocks, Yeah G_DEBUG...? [08:17] yep, in the .session file [08:17] /usr/share/wayland-sessions/ubuntu.desktop -> Exec line [08:18] (I'm already exporting the ubuntu mode there) [08:18] duflu: there are more env variables for mutter, one sec [08:18] duflu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25770966/ [08:19] (writing here the logs in a temporary file) [08:19] Thanks didrocks [08:19] * didrocks is tempted to create a package to install to add those to the global environment [08:19] yw [08:20] didrocks, yeah that and gnome-shell in general but mostly for mutter startup problems. I have a bug for that already [08:20] I guess i'll do it for 18.04, it's just a question of shipping a file in /usr/lib/environment.d [08:20] didrocks, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1696030 [08:20] Ubuntu bug 1696030 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell logging is too brief to be useful" [Undecided,New] [08:20] * didrocks adds a tab [08:25] seb128: getting cold now, autumn is really here :-o [08:25] but release day, so happy [08:25] you? [08:25] hey andyrock, how's it going? [08:25] andyrock, I'm almost sad the PS4 rotation bug is getting fixed [08:25] It was a handy test tool [08:25] duflu: ahahah [08:25] hey Laney good good [08:26] Plenty of laptops don't have (supported) accelerometers [08:26] looking for a new latop battery [08:26] mine is completetly gone [08:28] Laney, I'm good thanks, it's cold but sunny here which is nice! [08:28] oh those are good days [08:28] we just have grey mist [08:30] :-/ [08:30] Trevinho: for https://github.com/ubuntu/gnome-shell-extension-appindicator/pull/97, do you have a ready-to-go SRU bug ref? [08:32] andyrock, re: laptop battery, in my limited experience, the cheap ebay copies offer < 50% the advertised capacity [08:32] ricotz, hey, do you know who bug #1724773 should be reported to? it seems an issue with the libreoffice/libreoffice-5-4/ubuntu ppa [08:32] bug 1724773 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Some packages of LO 5.4.2 conflict with each other" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1724773 [08:32] willcooke: I thinking about the original one [08:33] but it's not easy to find here in Italy [08:33] andyrock, willcooke, I've changed my Dell latitude one for the 3rd time and decided to take a cheap one this time, I can recommend not doing that. I had my laptop giving me the "battery empty led" and powering down a few time while the battery was charged, some bits are getting of the back and capacity is less good [08:34] didrocks: 1 sec [08:35] willcooke: yeah, once I'll change my own battery, thanks to you, I know that I should buy only the original one [08:35] didrocks: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-appindicator/+bug/1719192 [08:35] Ubuntu bug 1719192 in gnome-shell-extension-appindicator (Ubuntu) "Some Top Icons Disappear After Screen Locks - 17.10" [Undecided,Confirmed] [08:35] Trevinho, bug #1714989 seems to have to do with dash-to-panel [08:35] bug 1714989 in GNOME Shell "gnome-shell crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_check_instance_cast() from st_label_set_text() (dash-to-panel specific?)" [Critical,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1714989 [08:35] Trevinho: mind turning it to a SRU bug? [08:36] seb128: yeah, I give a quick read but I wanted to move on that bug once I'm done with the other [08:36] didrocks: ok [08:36] thx! ;) [08:36] Trevinho, I just updated the title to say that [08:36] lol, wth https://launchpadlibrarian.net/340950618/GsettingsChanges.txt [08:36] "soft config" [08:36] :) [08:36] waow, there are even duplicates in the list [08:38] right, that seems weird/buggy [08:38] it's good that we have those info including by apport though [08:38] yep [08:38] it made it easy to see that the segfault mentioned reports are all using dash to panel [08:51] didrocks: done, bug is actually https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-appindicator/+bug/1712866 [08:51] Ubuntu bug 1712866 in gnome-shell-extension-appindicator (Ubuntu) "icons from qt applications disappear after screen lock/sleep" [High,In progress] [08:52] http://releases.ubuntu.com/17.10/ [08:53] Trevinho: meraviglioso! [09:57] got strande problem with rx580 after boot to 17.10 [09:57] https://photos.app.goo.gl/CxHgKE9PvEQRM37g2 [09:57] screenshot from ubuntu is fine [10:05] krashekspress, can you try with an Xorg session and see if that makes any difference? (https://ubuntucommunity.s3-us-east-2.amazonaws.com/original/1X/a9e5b475501e411707b336e592249ddc7600a6e8.gif) [10:05] Xorg works fine [10:06] but screen is like this onlo on prompt for disk decrypt password [10:06] *also [10:07] krashekspress_2, please could you log a bug against "gnome-shell" https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs [10:08] are you sure it is gnome-shell bug, same problem is right after I choose Ubuntu on boot (screen where I need to enter disk decrypt password) [10:08] anyway, will fill bug, sure [10:09] thanks krashekspress_2, we can always move it to the correct place later [10:10] didrocks is this a known issue? i mean the weird progress bar https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/t1Oz0hk7/IMG_20171019_120817.jpg [10:10] sorry for the low quality picture [10:11] was not easy to capture with a screenshot [10:11] with adwaita the scrollbar looks nice [10:11] andyrock: ah, first time I'm seeing it [10:11] I can fix this buuuuut I've no idea where to start [10:12] :D [10:12] I'm tempted to blame Trevinho on any theme's regression ofc! ;) [10:12] willcooke, I just logged out and choose wayland and logged back in, no error, is there easy way to check on which session I'm on? [10:12] ahahaha [10:12] it has been there for a while [10:12] andyrock: the position is the same? [10:12] with adwaita? [10:12] didrocks: yeah on the top [10:12] didrocks: no I didn't touch progress bars :) [10:12] but with adwaita there is no border [10:12] ok, only the width though [10:12] and the width is smaller [10:13] should be easy to fix but I don't know which component is this [10:13] Trevinho: more seriously, it could be we never adapted to new layouts IMHO [10:13] krashekspress_, not sure what the best way is, but I do "alt-f2" and then type "r" and hit enter. If it says that you cant restart because of Wayland, then Wayland, if it does restart the session then its xorg [10:13] echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE [10:13] andyrock: with the pickler in the inspector? [10:13] krashekspress_, see comment from Laney ^ [10:13] according to alt+f2 it is wayland [10:14] I can try, but it's hard to use because it's fast!! [10:14] let me try to make it slower [10:15] willcooke, definitely wayland, gonna restart to see if problem returns [10:15] andyrock: buttons on the left, seriously? :p [10:15] andyrock: start the inspector, select the view, find the progress bar widget and manually set the visible property to true [10:15] didrocks: it's on xenial [10:15] running from a chroot [10:15] with same user settings I'm using [10:16] I need to create another user with artful settings [10:16] next week :P [10:16] ;) [10:16] but yeah, if they don't create the progress bar on the spot, tweaking the property as L_aney said is a good way [10:17] I'll take a look [10:17] I tried yeasterday but I got lost inside the inpector [10:18] the serach doesn't work in the view pane btw, you need to go through the hierarchy manually [10:18] like "box" doesn't match gtkbox [10:18] last update: after restart decrypt password, gdm, and gnome desktop are scrambled, relog to xorg, gnome-desktop is normal, relog back to wayland, gnome-desktop is normal and running on wayland [10:18] nice [10:18] you need to type "gtkb…" [10:18] no restart for me [10:19] didrocks: found... it's a GtkProgressBar under WebkitWebView [10:19] I'll try to tweak it [10:19] great! [10:19] it's a small fix but annoying [10:20] I mean the bug is annyoing [10:20] I have the simple-scan regression (really from Marco this time!) which is a little bit more annoying to my taste :p [10:20] we have a patch now to review from a contributor [10:20] yes, i've seen it... c-lobrano said would check it, if he can't ill jump oni t [10:20] ah, ok [10:21] maybe Trevinho you want to review it, it's on bug #1721102 [10:21] bug 1721102 in ubuntu-themes (Ubuntu) "Thin line at the left of Simple Scan's "Scan" headerbar button" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1721102 [10:21] Trevinho: no hurry, if we can stash andyrock's fix in as well… [10:23] Trevinho: still awake or already awake? :D [10:23] it's 5am there... isn't it? [10:24] I guess as he was awake in our morning, it's a "still" [10:30] still :) [10:31] andyrock: I think the "/* OSD overlays */" bits are applying too broadly [10:32] how to completely remove unity after upgrade? [10:37] krashekspress__, sudo apt remove unity-session [10:41] didrocks: is there a gtk widget gallery application? [10:44] willcooke, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1724796 hope this is enough [10:44] Ubuntu bug 1724796 in xorg (Ubuntu) "Picture is heavily malformed" [Undecided,New] [10:44] andyrock, if you install gtk-3-examples, and then run gtk3-widget-factory - is that what you need? [10:44] thanks krashekspress__ [10:45] willcooke: thanks :) [10:50] not sure the levalbar in there is supposed to be green [10:50] levelbar [10:52] Is Ubuntu 17.10 (final) out? At http://releases.ubuntu.com/17.10/ it looks to be, but the ISO date is from yesterday. [10:54] Laney: yeah I saw that too [10:54] we can fix that too [10:55] and I think you're right regarding the osd [10:55] themes are hard [10:55] :D [10:55] poor didrocks [11:00] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/10/ubuntu-17-10-release-features [11:31] andyrock, we still have a bunch of themes bugs indeed :-/ [11:31] bug #1724651 is quite visible [11:31] bug 1724651 in ubuntu-themes (Ubuntu) "Nautilus progress spinner indicator is covered by a white rect in the beginning" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1724651 [11:31] I'll push a safe fix for the osd progressbar soon [11:31] *propose [11:31] hopefully we have more polish on those next cycle [11:32] bug #1707606 as well [11:32] bug 1707606 in ubuntu-themes (Ubuntu) "[nautilus] no sidebar mouseover selection displayed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1707606 [11:32] we should start from adwaita [11:36] let's see how the new theme projects goes [11:40] https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/dZv3UcQV/ [11:40] new theme project? [11:40] this should be enough and safe [11:40] to get this... (uploading video) [11:41] https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Zv4nR8bt/VID_20171019_133537.mp4 [11:41] seb128, didrocks ^^^ [11:41] Trevinho ^^^ [11:41] it affects just osd progressbar [11:42] chrisccoulson, the theme needs to be refreshed, we are discussing option but are probably going to try to work with the community on a new theme and see how it goes [11:42] it's the same thing they're doing in adwaita [11:42] if you're ok with that I can do a MP [11:43] andyrock, result looks good but I can't tell from your css if that might impact other progressbars in a way it should not [11:43] Laney might have a comment, he usually has an eye for potential issues that can come from css tweaks [11:44] so ephipany has the same bug [11:45] I'm opening a bug on lp [11:45] waiting for didrocks and Laney to comment [11:45] k [11:54] on the video? [11:54] the effect looks good ;-) [11:55] https://code.launchpad.net/~azzar1/ubuntu-themes/fix-osd-progressbar/+merge/332491 [11:56] I've to go for lunch now [11:56] I'll be back in one hour [11:57] andyrock, enjoy! [13:02] andyrock: yeah, looking good! [13:03] * didrocks is back from a run, listened to Linux Unplugged giving very nice reviews of Ubuntu 17.10! [13:05] nice [13:25] Nice! [13:25] I hope we can see them again at the next rally, assuming there is one [13:26] yep, so do I! === willcooke changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/lsBmkzPY/ubuntu-desktop-1804-cycle | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | pink killer → lots of help [13:40] * Laney stabs json [13:40] this no-trailing-comma thing is the worst [13:42] is freeze bug known (when I press shut down icon in top panel gnome freezes for 10 sec before prompting me with shutdown dialog)? [13:43] Who decided to put the dock at the bottom of the screen at https://www.ubuntu.com/? I suspect that's not the default desktop experience. :) [13:43] also suspend option is missing :( [13:44] krashekspress, that freeze is not known/reported afaik [13:44] vithiri, indeed that's not the default [13:44] meh, didn't see that [13:44] * Laney goes to hassle [13:46] yay, it's new but it's the same but it's amazing :) [13:49] duly hassled [13:51] there's a video on https://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/1710 but the share links don't work. Maybe the video isn't public on vimeo? [13:52] well this link works but not the twitter link https://player.vimeo.com/video/236987486 [13:58] oSoMoN: how much do you want for removing the libreoffice start desktop file (I think putting it in its own package for people wanting it?) [13:59] - the look is horrible and unthemed [13:59] - opening any other app matches to this one in the Shell (there isn't the nice bamf heuristic we had) [13:59] - the icon is… meh ;) [13:59] - I don't think a lot of people are using it as a start page [14:01] didrocks: LP: #1696250 [14:01] Launchpad bug 1696250 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Please hide Start Center and Math" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1696250 [14:09] AA \o/ [14:12] didrocks, oooh, did we rotate the sidebar to be a taskbar? [14:12] didrocks, i must be out of date [14:12] didrocks, looking at https://www.ubuntu.com/ [14:12] xnox: yeah, we discussed about it here ^ [14:12] xnox: sounds like web team decided for us ;) [14:12] (they are already aware by L_aney, let's see once that's fixed) [14:12] didrocks, lol Peter is savage [14:12] heh [14:44] didrocks, that's fine by me, we can put it in a separate package, or simply have it not shown by default [14:44] oSoMoN: NoDisplay=true for both Start Center and Math then? [14:46] yeah, that would do it [14:46] I would prefer a separate package [14:46] so that if they are fans of this, they can install it [14:46] and it's not much maintenance (actually, it's 0 patch compared to NoDisplay) [14:47] good point [14:47] suggested package name? [14:47] libreoffice-start-center? [14:48] (and probably libreoffice-math for the math one) [14:48] interestingly, there is already libreoffice-math [14:48] I guess we need to install it to have formula support in writer? [14:48] libreoffice-math-launcher (or -desktop?) [14:52] I'm really skeptical whether there are people who want to run Math separately and can't just start Writer or whatever first and click File>New>Formula [14:53] I don't have opinions on Math, I think the start center can still have some use case though [14:56] jbicha, wouldn't people use Math app to generate formulas and copy&paste them elsewhere? into e.g. google doc, email, etc? [14:56] if you want to match the .desktop name it's libreoffice-startcenter and it looks like the binary which isn't needed elsewhere(?) is just /usr/bin/libreoffice [14:57] xnox: are you one of those people? I'm ok with us just hiding Math until we get a bug report from a real user first :) [14:57] * xnox recalls doing that on Mac with a LatexIt app & Mac OS Keynote app [14:57] jbicha, i'm not s real person, i am a *replicant* [14:57] * xnox goes to cry in a corner [14:58] xnox: it's ok, I'm using "people" broadly. You still count in my opinion! :) [14:59] oops, nope you can't move /usr/bin/libreoffice it's required by the other .desktop's :( [15:00] moving the .desktop alone is good enough IMHO (+ the correct dep, ofc ;)) [15:00] anyway, the File>New>Formula works from Impress too [15:00] I think Math is a valid use case (even though probably not so common), the generic start center on the other hand can be moved to a separate package [15:04] Pop!_OS makes a custom folder in the Activities Overview and sticks all the LO stuff there [15:06] 6 is just too many to show by default -- it takes up a whole row for me on the front page of Show Applications (25% of the apps on the front page are LO) [15:08] didrocks: Was someone working on getting the picture at ubuntu.com changed, if it's supposed to show the left side dock instead? I can see that some news outlets are starting to source it now for their own announcements. :) [15:09] vithiri: as Laney, he was the one poking the web team apparently [15:09] ask* [15:09] Laney: Was someone working on getting the picture at ubuntu.com changed, if it's supposed to show the left side dock instead? I can see that some news outlets are starting to source it now for their own announcements. :) (https://urbantecno.com/noticia/ubuntu-17-10-disponible-descargar) [15:10] yes [15:11] Laney: \o/ [15:14] there's a pull request and all :-) [15:14] jbicha, the folder idea sounds good to me [15:25] didrocks, xnox: what do you guys think of the folder idea, to group all LO launchers? [15:26] I'm not a big fan of folders, it's a little bit contrary to what GNOME wants by default [15:26] so I would be vary of this [15:27] (the only upstream one is the "utilities") [15:28] didrocks, there's nothing on https://wiki.gnome.org/HowDoI/AppFolders that says it's contrary to GNOME guidelines [15:28] not the default ≠ contrary to guidelines [15:29] oSoMoN: well, talking to GNOME people [15:29] (just exploring options here, not pushing for that solution in particular, but it sounds like an elegant solution to the problem) [15:30] I was thinking about proposing that change to gnome-menus anyway [15:30] gnome-menus hasn't had a release in 3 years, anyone want to be its maintainer? ;) [15:33] I still think that would be a bad move, GNOME devs I know really prefers a flat hierarchy and are against those folders in general [15:34] mcatanzaro has really been urging me to drop the extra LO icons by default like Fedora does (they only show the big 3) [15:44] didrocks, fair enough, let's just hide the extra icons then [15:45] I’ll mention the folder idea on the bug report for completeness [15:45] yes ;) [15:45] oSoMoN: well, hiding -> moving the start center to its own package, correct? (then, do whatever you want for Math) [15:46] didrocks, yes, by hiding I meant that [15:46] I'm still undecided about math [15:46] same [15:47] there's no UI in gnome that allows overriding a NoDisplay=true with a local desktop file, right? [15:47] nothing upstream, there are 3rd party ones to create yours, ofc, but I don't think there is any listing expliciting the NoDisplay=true ones [15:51] GNOME 2 used to offer alacarte. I assume it still works but I haven't used it in years [15:51] yeah, last time I used it should be in… 2007-2008? [15:52] man 10 years… /me goes crying in a corner [16:02] ah interesting bug, I was using an external monitor, unplugged it, resumed my laptop and it thinks the external monitor is still connected [16:02] didrocks, you're old, get over it :) [16:03] nooooooooooooooooo [16:04] on this, going to a meetup to feel… well… old as well ;) [16:04] see you tomorrow guys! [16:11] jbicha: https://people.debian.org/~biebl/close-button.png [16:11] trying out the gnome-session in 17.10 [16:11] the close button looks wrong [16:11] (too thin/small) [16:15] hey, can anyone give me a ballpark average for the build time of an application package? [16:18] can be order of magnitude scale, 1min 10min, 100min, etc [16:19] a deb? [16:19] yeah [16:19] jbicha: nvm, apparently org.gnome.desktop.interface icon-theme was set to "'ubuntu-mono-dark" [16:19] gsettings reset org.gnome.desktop.interface icon-theme fixed it [16:20] not sure why it was set like this [16:20]