[04:49] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:49] <lotuspsychje> !isitoutyet
[04:50] <EriC^^> morning lotuspsychje
[04:51] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[04:52] <lotuspsychje> artful day :p
[04:52] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/10/ubuntu-17-10-whats-new-video
[06:16] <lordievader> Good mornign
[06:16] <lordievader> morning even
[06:20] <lotuspsychje> morning lordievader
[06:23] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje
[06:23] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> fine here, artful day
[06:26] <lordievader> Yeah, I saw that.
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> krashekspress: welcome
[06:29] <EriC^^> any idea on 17.10 eta?
[06:31] <lordievader> The answer usually was, when it is ready.
[06:31] <lordievader> I suppose [1] gives some kind of indication. [1] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/383/builds
[06:32] <lordievader> Lubuntu is marked ready.
[06:33] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: The release channel says mid afternoon UTC .
[06:42] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: ah thanks
[06:42] <EriC^^> lordievader: cool site
[06:43] <UB08-08> Hi
[06:43] <EriC^^> so 17.10 will have 32bit support? i had read in a website that 32bit is being dropped in 17.10?
[06:43] <EriC^^> hi UB08-08
[06:44] <UB08-08> When is ubuntu release time? here in Spain it's 08:44AM now, 19/10/17
[06:45] <lordievader> EriC^^: The 'Ubuntu' category on the QA page only lists 64bit. Other releases do list 32bit versions.
[06:45] <EriC^^> lordievader: oh i see
[06:47] <Bashing-om> UB08-08: The release channel says mid afternoon UTC .
[06:47] <UB08-08> Ok, Thanks!
[08:15] <Bashing-om> I leave it to uall to awaut 17.10's arrival - o/
[11:09] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:41] <nicomachus> trying to decide if I should do this upgrade.
[14:42] <nicomachus> I wanna check out the newest version of Gnome but at the same time I've spent a good deal of time customizing my own Gnome env over here.
[14:48] <TJ-> nicomachus: install into a container maybe?
[14:48] <TJ-> or install into a separate LVM LV and then add a GRUB boot entry to it
[14:55] <nicomachus> TJ-: you're getting outside my comfort zone. :P
[14:55] <nicomachus> I've never done any of that. I've done VMs in Virtualbox and that's about it
[14:57] <TJ-> nicomachus: for hardware testing LVM LVs is the way, and it's very easy to do.
[14:57] <TJ-> and those same LVs can be built/installed via a VM first
[15:02] <nicomachus> LV?
[15:02]  * nicomachus is reminded of Elon Musk's ASS memo
[15:05] <TJ-> In Logical Volume Management (LVM) we go RAW_BLOCK_DEVICE -> Physical Volume (PV) -> device for -> Volume Group (VG) -> parent of -> Logical Volumes (LV) -> File-System
[15:06] <TJ-> nicomachus: in real terms: pvcreate /dev/sda9; vgcreate My_VG /dev/sda9; lvcreate -L 4G -n My_LV My_VG; mkfs.ext4 -L My_LV /dev/mapper/My_VG-My-LV;
[17:46] <nicomachus> TJ-: do you not like piping or what? lol
[17:46] <nicomachus> pastebinit <( rfkill list) instead of rfkill list | pastebinit
[17:47] <nicomachus> I've noticed you do that a lot.
[17:52] <TJ-> nicomachus: always. Having "pastebinit" first makes it clear thats the command to run. Also, I can do "pastebinit <( command 1) <(command 2) <(command 3) if I want to; can't do that with pipes
[17:52] <nicomachus> I see. interesting.
[17:52] <leftyfb> hm, interesting
[17:53] <leftyfb> never knew you could do that
[17:54] <leftyfb> hm
[17:54] <leftyfb> you can't
[17:54] <leftyfb> multiple <()'s will give you multiple pastebins
[17:54] <leftyfb> not a single one
[17:54] <nicomachus> I think multiple is the point
[17:54] <leftyfb> I guess if that's what you're looking for that works
[17:54] <TJ-> correct
[17:54] <nicomachus> but it's all in one command
[17:55] <leftyfb> still nifty
[17:55] <TJ-> When I'm working with a SLOW responder I can batch up several commands and get logical pastebins all in one go
[17:55] <TJ-> what should take 2 mins can otherwise take an hour
[17:55] <TJ-> also why I surround all commands with " to make it clear what is my commentary, and what is a command
[17:56] <TJ-> Can never have enough precision in this medium.
[17:57] <leftyfb> what about that tool I can never remember the name of .... basically outputs a ton of hardware data and logs
[17:58] <daftykins> if it's not installed in a base image it's often useless
[17:58] <daftykins> trying to get a user to add something before giving you info, especially if that system is hosed, eek
[17:58] <nicomachus> I go for ` to denote commands instead of ", just because ` is usually the formatting code in markdown languages.
[18:03] <nicomachus> someone set ubottu to send PMs instead of channel messages on pipe?
[18:03] <nicomachus> !info apt | nicomachus
[18:04] <nicomachus> !bootinfo | nicomachus
[18:04] <nicomachus> interesting
[19:12] <nicomachus> poor v3n0m just getting pounced on. lol
[19:12] <daftykins> o0
[19:12] <nicomachus> daftykins:
[19:12] <nicomachus> 14:10 < v3n0m> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get
[19:12] <nicomachus>                dist-upgrade && sudo apt full-upgrade && sudo do-release-upgrade
[19:13] <nicomachus>                -c
[19:13] <daftykins> oh dear oh dear oh dear
[19:13] <nicomachus> is how he just told someone to go 17.04 -> 17.10
[19:13] <oerheks> v3nom surely acts like his name
[19:14] <nicomachus> lol
[19:15] <nicomachus> clogging up the channel with is endless 'enter's
[19:15] <oerheks> heya lotus
[19:15] <lotuspsychje> hey hey
[19:15] <lotuspsychje> just upgraded to final
[19:15] <oerheks> yay\0/
[19:15] <oerheks>  i am still on 17.04
[19:15] <lotuspsychje> you seeding oerheks ?
[19:17] <oerheks> no, just recieved the upgrade button in updates
[19:17] <lotuspsychje> cool
[19:17] <lotuspsychje> !isitoutyet
[19:17] <oerheks> i am a little musslepain, sniffy, cold .. going to bed again
[19:18] <lotuspsychje> ohhh have a nice warm gingertea oerheks
[19:18] <nicomachus> aaaaand there he goes
[19:18] <lotuspsychje> not gonna stay long neither
[19:18] <lotuspsychje> just in and out tonight
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> still got that launch bug and windows buttons missing hmmm
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> i blame wayland :p
[19:19] <dax> there's an xorg session in the login manager, if you'd like to test that theory :3
[19:20] <lotuspsychje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1718653
[19:20] <lotuspsychje> dax: tnx for the idea lemme try that
[19:21] <nacc> i struggle sometimes with people like v3nom. They know enough, practically, to answer questions. But they don't seem to konw why they konw what they know. Or why what they are suggesting works.
[19:21] <nacc> e.g., throwing every apt subcommand at a wall and a release upgrade check, just to see if you're current??
[19:21] <nacc> yes, that will do ... something
[19:21] <oerheks> there is no i in team..
[19:21] <dax> it's the stackoverflow problem
[19:22] <nacc> but it's not "right" or efficent
[19:22] <nacc> dax: absolutely
[19:22] <dax> people google their problem, find some command on SO, and throw it into their notes without any comprehension of what it's doing
[19:22] <dax> much worse in actual programming
[19:22] <nacc> yep
[19:22] <nacc> because "it works"
[19:22] <nacc> but that's so insufficient in the long-term
[19:22] <nacc> it's crazy :)
[19:22] <daftykins> it's pretty amazing they haven't even worked out the repetition in their own commands
[19:22] <dax> until it doesn't, and then you're SOL because you don't know what it does
[19:22] <nacc> dax: yep
[19:22] <dax> at least this example is Mostly Harmless
[19:23] <oerheks> re-install is so much fun :-D
[19:23] <nacc> yep
[19:23] <lotuspsychje> dax: yep, working again in xorg
[19:23] <lotuspsychje> tnx for the headsup
[19:24] <dax> *nod* points to wayland indeed, then
[19:24] <dax> didrocks has a nice article on sessions in 17.10 and who gets what on upgrade/reinstall, btw: https://didrocks.fr/2017/10/18/ubuntu-gnome-shell-in-artful-day-16/
[19:25] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[19:25] <dax> somebody said their ubuntu gnome upgrade went a little screwy though, so maybe still some kinks to work out on the upgrade case
[19:26] <lotuspsychje> interesting
[19:27] <TJ-> I guess there's going to be a lot of difficult-to-diagnose GUI issues with the switch to the Gnome wayland compositor
[19:27] <oerheks> interesting article, as extra to the releasenotes.. no screenshot utility available?
[19:28] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/ReleaseNotes/#screenshot
[19:29] <oerheks> this is nice one too: Graphical applications can't be run as root from terminal
[19:29] <TJ-> going to be some howls from folks using VNC etc too
[19:30] <daftykins> no more config breakage by amateurs!?
[19:30] <lotuspsychje> yay
[19:30] <daftykins> about time they dumped that plaintext fiend :)
[19:30] <daftykins> lotus heya \o
[19:31] <lotuspsychje> i wonder how many 'unsupported' hardware there will be on wayland
[19:31] <oerheks> and: Ctrl+Alt+Shift+R keyboard shortcut to start video recording of the whole desktop, 30 second, placed in ~/Videos
[19:31] <lotuspsychje> hey hey daftykins
[19:31] <TJ-> I'm glad I work from terminal not GUI!
[19:31] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:32] <lotuspsychje> soo xorg aint dead yet
[19:33] <TJ-> it's sad how much functionality is being torn out in the pursuit of 'progress'.
[19:33] <lotuspsychje> think we gonna need it the comming days$
[19:33] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys, tv time for now
[19:33] <TJ-> I think 2104 was about the high point, since then I've lost track of the regressions across the entire stack
[19:33] <lotuspsychje> have a nice1
[20:10] <nicomachus> >press Ctrl-H
[20:10] <nicomachus> 15:07 < piraye> press: command not found
[20:10]  * nicomachus facepalms, parts channel, quits irssi, sudo poweroff's, and goes home
[20:10] <TJ-> I'm leaving... new release == madhouse
[20:10] <TJ-> snap
[20:10] <TJ-> I'm going to just run the huskies to the north pole and back... I may be a while
[20:10] <daftykins> TJ-: enjoy :)
[20:11] <nicomachus> I should probably just throw in an rm -rf / while I'm at it
[20:11] <daftykins> nicomachus: it'll never be enough
[20:11] <nicomachus> I'm actually just gonna go back to trying to find a way to access the images assets of this icon pack
[20:11] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Looking for that rabbit hole :P
[20:12] <dax> nicomachus: nah, you need sudo rm -rf / && sudo rm -rf /* && sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda1 && sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1M && sync && sync && sync && sudo dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda
[20:13] <nicomachus> lol
[20:13] <nicomachus> maybe a && sudo apt clean on there for good measure
[20:13] <nicomachus> just to be safe
[20:20] <TJ-> I wish I had a £ for every fix I've done with acpi_osi!
[20:20] <TJ-> i'd be able to afford pie&chips :D
[20:21] <Bashing-om> TJ-: Not counting all the times I have directed per your instruction.
[20:23] <TJ-> What's worse is we cannot blame Microsoft. This is all down to the firmware authors in the manufacturers, mostly Chinese/Asian teams that still seem to only know Windows
[20:24] <daftykins> TJ-: hey i thought you were overstocked on pie ;D
[20:24] <TJ-> only Apple
[20:25] <TJ-> I and the Huskies could eat a pallet of steak pies
[20:28] <TJ-> poor lordcirth :)
[20:29] <Bashing-om> Hummm .. Beef Pot Pies ... Good things :D
[20:46] <nicomachus> TJ-: found a minor drawback to your method of pastebinit. But maybe it's a bonus.
[20:46] <nicomachus> It shows the output in terminal. Piping to pastebinit doesn't, just throws the link
[20:48] <TJ-> nicomachus: what command did you test it with? that'd only happen if there was output to stderr
[20:50] <nicomachus> tree
[20:50] <nicomachus> tree >(pastebinit)
[20:50] <nicomachus> err
[20:50] <nicomachus> scratch that. reverse it.
[20:50] <nicomachus> pastebinit >(tree)
[20:50] <TJ-> wrong way, you're sending into the sub-process. it should be pastebinit <(tree)
[20:51] <nicomachus> oh right. whooops.
[20:51] <TJ-> LOL
[20:51] <TJ-> it's shell redirection of a sub-process output