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grahamperrin[m]Back to basics for a moment. With FreeBSD, I know that hibernate e.g. suspend to disk is not possible. With Kubuntu, I'm surprised to find a notebook with a flat battery after a period of sleep.03:06
grahamperrin[m]Must I set a preference, for Kubuntu to automatically hibernate when the battery drops below some level?03:07
DarinMillergrahamperrin[m]: System settings -> Power Mang.  -> Energy Savings -> On low battery (tab)03:14
DarinMilleralthough, i am not sure it will wake from suspend to hibernate....03:14
DarinMillerhibernation has never been a strong point for Linux, so don't be surprised if you encounter issues. i.e. Ensure to save any work before testings.03:15
grahamperrin[m]DarinMiller: thanks03:35
grahamperrin[m]Digging deeper, in retrospect maybe it was not a flat battery. I charged it for a while, still no boot; removed the battery and it would not boot with the power adapter alone; reinserted the batter, removed the adapter, still no boot. Eventually rekindled by pressing and holding the power button probably whilst without the battery or power adapter.03:37
grahamperrin[m](I had previously pressed and held the power button, without effect.)03:37
grahamperrin[m]Just one of those things. I had similar misbehaviour with the hardware (Ergo Vista 621) a handful of times in the past.03:38
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lordievaderGood morning06:01
freakyyhi ;D06:09
freakyywhat do u guys think, should i try out kde? ... i currently only have ubuntu gnome installed and i wonder how kde looks like now with 17.10 ;D06:09
freakyyif i install kubuntu-desktop, will it also install plymouth theme or just install but not switch default?06:10
hateballYep!06:10
freakyyok so then - i need to install kubuntu-desktop right?06:10
freakyyhateball:06:11
hateballfreakyy: Yeah, to get all associated applications etc06:12
freakyyok installing. download at 1,5MB/s means, around 4 mins 30 secs to download everything ;D06:12
hateball:)06:12
freakyyi wonder, is the default theme good or should i try something like06:13
freakyyadapta06:13
hateballfreakyy: Personally I use look&feel to pick breeze-dark06:13
lordievaderWhat you could also do, if you don't want to mess with your current install, is download a live image.06:13
hateballfreakyy: installing kubuntu-desktop will also change your login manager to sddm instead of.. whatever vanilla ubuntu uses now06:14
freakyynah, i can easily switch back plymouth and i guess, what does gdm use as login manager?06:14
hateballwell, you'll get asked which you want to use06:14
freakyyi mean, gnome06:14
freakyygdm right? and not kdm?06:14
freakyyhateball: ok ;D06:14
hateballit used to be lightdm, but I am not sure if they switched back to gdm06:15
freakyyi think they switched back to gdm06:15
freakyyas gdm is installed06:15
freakyylightdm isnt06:16
freakyyhow do i switch display manager lager on?06:18
freakyyif i wanna try sddm but wanna switch back to gdm too?06:18
freakyyits installin now06:18
freakyysudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm06:19
freakyyfound out ;D06:19
freakyythx06:19
freakyyit will take another 5 minutes i guess to install06:19
freakyyhateball:  hm ok (about breeze-dark)06:27
freakyy1/3 left06:29
freakyyim installing on my laptop so everythins a bit slow06:29
freakyybut i might like kde but still, gnome is good06:29
freakyydoes kde have something like these windows 10 features, where, only the icon is in the bottom bar and u can "stick" it to the panel?06:29
lordievaderKDE goes very far in customizing it how you like it. I think that what you describe is possible.06:31
freakyyok thanks06:33
freakyythe install is soon finished06:33
freakyyill then - switch desktops06:33
freakyywahts the default console für kde? still konsole?06:33
freakyyit finished installing06:33
freakyyswitching, brb06:33
hateballfreakyy: you can rightclick running apps and "pin a launcher when not running" or some such06:34
* hateball only uses hotkeys or krunner to launch things, has no icons06:34
* lordievader same here06:35
freakyyyay06:58
freakyyi like kde06:58
freakyyit looks good06:58
freakyythe dark theme06:58
freakyyetc.06:59
freakyythough i dont like konsole better than gnome terminal06:59
freakyyhm kubuntu has many features07:01
freakyyi must say07:01
freakyyit looks nice07:01
freakyyis it possible that its slower than gnome? oO07:01
freakyyi mean takes longer to bood07:02
hateballwhat do you mean by boot?07:03
hateballfrom the time you enter password until desktop shows?07:03
hateballfreakyy: also note that the first time you run, baloo will index your ~/ so that slows it down a bit07:03
hateballwell, not only the first time, continously, but the first time will be noticeable..07:04
freakyyhateball: yes ... the desktop takes long to load. especially, firs tsteam is displayed, then discord ... and later first the desktop07:05
freakyyi like kde connect07:05
hateball:)07:05
freakyybut dont know where my music files are free-hand ;D07:05
freakyyhow can i make the bottom bar default size07:06
freakyyi played with it now its too smal07:06
freakyyl07:06
hateballwell... resize it?07:07
hateballthe way you made it smaller, make it bigger :p07:07
valoriehit the "hamburger" menu and resize07:07
freakyyhateball: hm, id like to stick with the default07:09
freakyya pitty u cant reset to default07:09
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freakyyhm07:12
freakyyis there anything in kde i should check out? :D07:12
freakyyim already usin breeze dark07:12
freakyy;D07:12
freakyycan i uninstall ubuntu desktop im wondering07:13
freakyyor should i do a fresh install07:13
freakyybut then id have to do it on 2 pcs07:13
freakyyand install lots of stuff again07:13
hateballfreakyy: well... if you uninstall ubuntu-desktop I guess it might have common deps with kubuntu-desktop and that would cause unwanted breakage07:14
freakyyok07:14
freakyythen il just keep ubuntu07:14
hateballso if you want "clean" then installing clean is the only way I'd say07:14
hateballleast painful, at any rate07:15
hateballunless you're strapped for disk space there's not much point in removing the gnome stuff07:15
freakyyok ;D07:15
hateballsuppose it saves time during upgrades etc07:15
freakyynah i have lots of disk space07:15
freakyydoesnt matter07:15
freakyyi used kde back before plasma07:17
freakyy;D07:17
freakyynice how it evolved ;D07:17
freakyyhope they continue adding cool features07:17
hateballI think that's the general idea :p07:18
hateballbut yeah, a "restore fresh session" option might be something nice, but it does not exist for now07:18
hateballfreakyy: you can however rightclick a "broken" panel and remove it, then rightclick the workspace and add a new default panel07:18
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freakyyi have another question. google chrome doesnt have like, the normal close/minimzie etc. buttons but instead the default kde ones. usually chrome doesnt use system window decorations?07:23
freakyyoh wait07:24
freakyynow it doesnt but07:24
freakyyit doesnt display minimize/close etc at all now07:24
freakyywant a screenshot?07:27
freakyyif i maximize the window it wont work07:27
freakyyno more close/maximize/minimize07:27
freakyyhow to make screenshots in kde?07:28
freakyyhttps://i.imgur.com/9G8QBPX.png07:30
freakyyalso on the lower right u can see, 2 icons not visible - thats steam and owncloud07:35
freakyyhow can i make them visible?07:35
freakyyi might need to change something dunno one moment relogging in07:35
freakyyah nm not now07:35
freakyylater07:35
oerhekswhat is that 'Uwe' label ?07:36
freakyythats my name07:36
freakyyits logged in into google chrome - and synchronization07:36
oerheksoke, so logged in on your google account, it displays over the min-max-close?07:36
hateballfreakyy: you can rightclick chrome title bar and tell it to use system decorations or not07:37
hateballit's the same with chromium, and in for example incognito mode as well (not logged in)07:38
hateballit started a while back, I forgot about filing a bug for it07:38
hateballfreakyy: you should see the window controls if Chrome isnt maximized tho07:38
freakyyyes but i dont want to use system-bar and if i dont use system bar, it shows like on the screenshot07:39
freakyyyes then i see them07:39
hateballfreakyy: https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=37565007:40
freakyythats a real pitty07:41
freakyythat it doesnt work like this07:41
freakyyit should work ;(07:42
freakyyand that since 2013?07:42
hateballlol there's older chromium bugs than that xD07:42
oerheksor it is the " That button which appears next to the min/max/close button is called "Enable new profile management "07:43
freakyyi voted for the bug07:44
freakyybrb restart07:49
hateballfreakyy: as you can see it is duplicate of https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=594490 tho, and that seems like it should be fixed in 6307:51
freakyyim using chrome beta but still the problem ;D08:01
freakyybtw, every time i try to shutdown or restart, the lower right thing says: "Shutdown canceled by """08:02
freakyyand if i do it again it works then08:02
jonathan_xAnyone have a clue how I can get LVM to ignore a physical volume that was previously activated?08:04
jonathan_xI mean how can I completely remove a physical volume from the memory of the system?08:04
jonathan_xFiltering doesn't work, it is still using the volume group and its volumes, even after I deactivated the vg.08:05
jonathan_xOh apologies, I used "filter" instead of "global_filter"08:08
freakyyhateball? :)08:11
hateballfreakyy: What?08:12
freakyyhateball: do u know about the problem that when u click shutdown, it stops with message: Shutdown canceled by "" ?08:13
freakyybecause i have to click twice every time08:13
hateballprobably caused by some app you've got running08:14
freakyyyea :(08:15
hateballtrial and error is all I can suggest, not sure if there's a way to enable some verbose logging of plasmashell08:16
freakyyok but i want to use all programs that i have running08:17
freakyyoh and i dont need ibus panel08:17
freakyycan i stop it from beeing displayed?08:17
freakyyhm, id like a better font for konsole let me check08:20
hateballfreakyy: I mean that if you kill apps 1 by 1 before shutdown you'd find out which one prevents proper shutdown, and then you can troubleshoot that08:21
freakyyi know08:21
freakyyyea i will have to do that08:21
freakyynow i have a nice font08:21
freakyyi like ubuntu mono08:22
freakyy:)08:22
freakyyas console font08:22
freakyy:D08:22
freakyybetter than "Hack" ;D08:22
hateballfor instance Steam used to prevent proper shutdown, so it had to be closed first08:22
freakyyyes i have steam installed08:22
freakyycant they do anything bout that08:22
freakyywith gnome it works08:22
hateballI said used to, it should be fixed08:28
freakyydoes kde have a bluelight filter08:28
hateballIt was just an example, I don't know what applications you run08:28
freakyyok thanks :D08:29
freakyydo u know if kde has a bluelight filter?08:29
valoriefreakyy: it's coming08:29
freakyyawkay ;D08:29
valorieif it's not already in plasma 5.11.108:29
freakyythx ^^08:29
valoriewhich is what I'm running08:29
freakyyvalorie: r u on kubuntu 17.10?08:29
freakyyim on kubuntu 17.1008:29
valoriewill soon be available in backports for Artful08:29
freakyyok ;D08:29
freakyyhow do i enable backports with kde?08:30
valorieoh yes, have been since the alpha08:30
valorie!backports08:30
ubottuIf new updated packages are built for an application, they may go into Kubuntu Backports, which is one of the official Kubuntu PPAs. See https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/PPAs for more information.08:30
daxthere's a plasma widget for redshift, if plasma doesn't have it built in yet08:30
valorieyup08:30
hateballlike valorie said, it will come with kwin in 5.1108:30
dax!info plasma-applet-redshift-control08:30
ubottuplasma-applet-redshift-control (source: plasma-applet-redshift-control): Adjusts the color temperature of your screen. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.17-1 (zesty), package size 10 kB, installed size 68 kB08:30
valorieredshift works pretty well these days08:30
freakyyoh i have to add an extra ppa?08:30
valoriebackports is a PPA, yes08:31
valorieonly tested stuff goes in there08:31
valorieI've always run backports and never had a problem08:31
valoriefor like 7 years08:31
freakyyawkay thx ;D08:32
valoriewe might wait until Plasma 5.11.2 because there is one bugfix we want to get in there08:33
freakyyok :) adding backports on my laptop now too08:33
freakyyis there any integration with owncloud in kde?=08:35
hateballfreakyy: you can install the owncloud client if you like08:37
hateballlast time I did it wiped my kwallet without asking, but that was a while ago08:38
hateballI've only used it through a browser since08:38
freakyyok then ill use the one from their website, thx ;D08:38
valorienextcloud might be a better bet08:38
valoriethe original maintainer went there08:39
freakyynah i have an owncloud server08:39
freakyyno, it's steam :(08:42
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hateballfreakyy: hmmm, maybe only fixed in beta then08:50
hateballfreakyy: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/330108:51
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hateballiirc it was fixed at some point, maybe it's re-broken. whatever, I just kill it manually prior to shutdown :p08:51
freakyyok thank you09:00
DrinfeldI have Kubuntu 17.04 AMD64 installed and I am using the nvidia driver. Can I upgrade to 17.10 without problems or do I have to disable the nvidia driver first?09:20
hateballDrinfeld: You can upgrade just fine09:23
hateballDrinfeld: if you are using the nvidia ppa it will get disabled tho, so you'll need to fix that after upgrade09:24
hateballif you're just using default repos, nothing special will happen09:25
Drinfeldhateball: OK, thanks!09:25
user|26263hello09:28
jonathan_xWhat would be the best VM for running Linux from within Windows, and without considering VirtualBox?09:29
jonathan_xAnd I mean mostly: pleasant integration within Windows for full desktop switching.09:30
hateballjonathan_x: ask ##windows10:16
jonathan_xI'm asking here.10:17
hateballI can see that10:18
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hateballAnd we don't support questions about what hypervisor to run on a Windows host10:18
jonathan_xI'm not asking you.10:29
BluesKajHi folks12:49
user|1682Hello12:57
user|1682Anybody here?12:57
user|1682Who can help me with the hold mouse in Kubuntu 16.04? Also known as "Simulate secondary click"12:58
hateballhmm13:03
hateballI'm not familiar with that term I am afraid13:03
hateballuser|1682: oh, like hold down the left mousebutton simulates clicking the right mousebutton?13:04
hateballI guess this is it https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/a11y-right-click.html ?13:07
hateballNo idea how to achieve that using Plasmas accessibility things I'm afraid13:07
user|72686yeah it is  https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/a11y-right-click.html13:09
user|72686i need to disable that in kubuntu 16 0413:09
user|72686but i haven't found that in system settings13:09
hateball*disable* ? how is it enabled in the first place?13:09
user|72686When I installed my Kubuntu, i've found that when I click right button and hold its down, automaticly clicking the action13:12
user|72686I've searched that in Google13:13
user|72686And found which function in the system settings I need13:13
user|72686but i haven't found that function in the system settings of kubuntu13:13
user|72686So what can I do?13:16
user|72686with the problem13:16
hateballwait, now you're talking about holding down the right button?13:21
user|72686look at this function https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/a11y-right-click.html13:22
user|72686in the article talking about how to ENABLE that function13:22
user|72686but in Kubuntu 16.04 that HAS ALREADY ENABLED13:23
user|72686And I need to disable that13:23
o_aHello, all. Is there something wrong with the Kubuntu servers? I'm running the update process and it's slow as hell13:49
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o_aThe download even stops at times13:50
o_aIs this happening only at my end or it's also happening for someone else?13:50
hateballo_a: Try switching mirrors13:51
acheronuknot heard anything specific today, but it's not unusual for the servers and mirrors to be under heavy load and have a bit of a go slow the few days after release.13:51
D0U91EI installed 17.10 installed some packages successfully edited my fstab and now my 17.10 boots to cli login where I need to maintenence somethning'13:51
D0U91Eany advice?13:52
D0U91EYes D0U91E remove you nfs mount in fstab...13:55
D0U91EHow do you mount samba shares like in 17.04?13:55
edward__KUBUNTU 17.10 doesn't load pulseaudio.14:33
edward__any clues?14:33
o_aacheronuk: Thanks14:34
acheronukedward__: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu#pulseaudio_-_devices_not_showing.2Fpulseaudio_crash14:35
stanleyhi14:35
o_aHow do I switch mirrors mid-update? I'm running the do-release-update graphical tool14:35
stanleyi have a question about cantata.14:35
o_aI'm afraid to break something14:35
stanleydoes cantata can set a socks5 proxy?14:35
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stanley#kubuntu-cn14:36
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dougiel17.10 does not mount my network shares anymore .04 works flawlessly14:42
user|92456hey all14:44
user|92456having a bit of an issue with kubuntu14:44
user|92456i have it installed in an external drive sled.  can't get my wireless card to be recognized14:45
freakyyhi. is it normal that the app-starter icon on the lower left is NOT animated? i mean it doesnt give any response wheni hover over it.15:54
terroriпривет15:55
freakyyis kubuntu going to implement windows-10 like application-panel? where each application has just an icon and not font written?16:03
EvilRoeyhi16:10
EvilRoeyis kubuntu 17.10 with wayland by defualt or with x.org ?16:10
vrmuppallaxorg, not wayland AFAIK16:12
EvilRoeyok16:13
EvilRoeythanks!!16:13
freakyyEvilRoey: it has Wayland default, but if u have some properity driver installed like nvidia, it will automatically stick to xorg - it did that for me ;D16:24
EvilRoeyfreakyy: SEEE that's what I was wondering16:26
EvilRoeyso thanks :)16:26
EvilRoeybecause I also have an NVidia card16:26
freakyyEvilRoey: yea np ;D16:26
freakyyEvilRoey: wait im talkin about ubuntu16:27
freakyyi dont know how it is with kubuntu (plasma)16:27
freakyywait lemme check if i have any options16:27
freakyystrangely it has Ubuntu (Wayland) Ubuntu (Xorg) and Plasma but no Plasma (wayland) or Plasma (Xorg) ...16:30
freakyyits a good question EvilRoey16:30
freakyycan anyone help us here?16:30
freakyy:D16:30
freakyyok vrmuppalla says kubuntu uses xorg ... that might be the reason why theres only 1 menu entry ... and its not using wayland at all ;D16:32
EvilRoeyok16:37
EvilRoeywell then! problem solved16:37
EvilRoeyvrmuppalla, freakyy: thanks for your assistance!16:37
freakyynp EvilRoey16:37
freakyybut it should work ... the upgrade even with nvidia drivers16:38
EvilRoeyok16:38
EvilRoeyyou mean, in Waylnd?16:38
freakyyelse u dont have nvidia drivers running16:38
freakyyno, in wayland nvidia drivers dont work16:38
EvilRoeyok16:38
freakyyi think16:38
freakyy(yet)16:38
freakyyim not sure about it, for me the perfect set up is working ;D16:38
EvilRoey:)16:38
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IrcsomeBot<DGUERRERO> Good day everyone!20:31
IrcsomeBot<DGUERRERO> can anyone recommend me a good pfd editor for kubuntu?20:32
IrcsomeBot<DGUERRERO> apart from libreoffice off course20:32
valorieokular20:32
valorieda best!20:32
IrcsomeBot<DGUERRERO> @valorie, Hi valorie! i use okular for viewing but i have never been able to edit with it, i want to delete some text in a pdf specifically20:34
valoriethe underlying permissions have to be there to allow that20:35
valoriebut I suppose there are ways to crack in *some* of them20:35
valoriethere is #okular for more in-depth info20:36
IrcsomeBot<DGUERRERO> @valorie, will ask there, thank you20:36
valoriebest of luck!20:37
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> @DGUERRERO, https://code-industry.net/free-pdf-editor/20:41
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> not open source, but free version always worked ok for me20:41
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> okular can only annotate, not edit as far as I know20:42
IrcsomeBot<DGUERRERO> @acheronuk, I'll check it out, thank you20:43
IrcsomeBot<DGUERRERO> ram20:44
vrmuppallamasterpdf https://code-industry.net/masterpdfeditor/  has free and paid ($50) versions.20:55
viewer|57484hello all.  really digging kubuntu but am having a hard time adjust to the theme engine.  please no flaming but how can i make it more user friendly and dare i say a little more like windows?20:58
viewer|57484or at least change the taskbar at the bottom20:58
valoriedunno what windows is like but everything is configurable21:00
valorieand look at store.kde.org for some theming choices21:00
IrcsomeBot<DGUERRERO> @viewer|57484, kubuntu by default is very much windows-alike in apperance, which feature are you looking for?21:03
viewer|57484DGUERRERO21:14
viewer|57484thanks for your response.  i just want themes really21:14
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viewer|57484valorie pointed me to the store which i installed but i believe Kubuntu uses kde3 themes?21:15
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valorie!21:16
valorieno21:16
valoriewe're very up-to-date21:16
sparker781well i am new to Kubuntu21:16
valorieand what we release is stock plasma21:16
valorieno special theming21:17
sparker781you need to not be so harsh21:17
valorie!21:17
sparker781I have no idea what i am doing21:17
valorieI'm trying to give you information21:17
valoriewelcome to Kubuntu, always lovely to have a new user21:17
sparker781thank you21:17
IrcsomeBot<DGUERRERO> @viewer|57484, i think it's the opposite, in the kde store you will find quite a lot old themes, maybe not compatible anymore21:18
sparker781im trying its for my work21:18
valorie@DGUERRERO is right, you need to be choosy21:18
sparker781that might be an issue.  I clicked on find new themes in the desktop theme in settings and downloaded it but it's not showing up to choose it21:18
valorieI wish they would figure out a way to shunt the old stuff to the bottom of the lists or something21:18
valorietag them by what versions they work with, or something21:19
sparker781why am i not seeing the theme i downloaded21:21
sparker781this is so frustrating21:21
IrcsomeBot<DGUERRERO> how are you dowloading them? from the web page or directly from the theme settings?21:24
sparker781i figured it out.  sometimes i dont have patience21:25
sparker781LOL21:25
sparker781how can i space out the task bar to look like windows.  sorry but the options i have kind of suck.  LOL21:31
IrcsomeBot<DGUERRERO> @sparker781, what do you mean by space? do yow want the icons-only appareance of win7?21:35
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sparker781@IrcsomeBot21:54
sparker781yes similar to how windows does it if possible21:54
sparker781the rest im cool with as far as how it operates and what not.  just the look is just meh21:54
valorieright-click in an empty area and change to icons-only22:04
valorieyou always have choices if you can find the place to make 'em22:04
valorieif you google for "how to make plasma 5 look like windows" I'm sure you will get lots of hits22:06
martingHi. So, I installed kubuntu 17.10 today, and noticed that with netextender (VPN solution of SonicWall), I have a major memory leak (java). How do I debug this? Any suggestions?22:25
martingAre there any alternatives to netExtender for sonicwall vpn?22:26
martingit is eating about 8 MB per second22:27
martingFunny thing: On another machine, running Fedora, and the exact same version of java (openjdk 1.8.0._144, build 18.0_144_b01), and the exact same version of netextender (8.6.801), there is no memory leak. It is stable at ~130MB22:31
clivejomarting: probably best to ask in Ubuntu channel22:32
martingclivejo: ok, will go there22:32
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