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| mattyw | hey folks, now that ubuntu has stopped releasing 32bit versions of desktop is lubuntu going to go the same way shortly? | 08:39 |
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| LioneLL | magnet:?xt=urn:btih:218aaaa43c0f7b8f3ebc6e69cf2571922a944620&dn=lubuntu-17.10-desktop-i386.iso | 08:40 |
| dax | mattyw: as I understand it from watching devs talk about it: no, not any time soon | 08:47 |
| mattyw | dax, that's good news, certainly the next lts should support i386? | 08:47 |
| dax | mattyw: 18.04? yes, i would expect so | 08:48 |
| mattyw | dax, that would be great news thanks | 08:48 |
| qswz | 17.10 is using LXQt? I don't see a big diff visuallly | 09:27 |
| Mastus | Would appreciate a bit of help | 12:27 |
| Mastus | So is there 17.10 LubuntuNext (with LXQT) release or not | 12:28 |
| Mastus | "we do NOT recommend that people use it in production unless they are aware of the somewhat critical bugs associated (which are more than 10 at the point of writing this)" <- Where is the bug tracker, https://launchpad.net/lubuntu-next shows only 1 critical bug | 12:34 |
| Mastus | http://lubuntu.me/artful-released/ -> "You can install Lubuntu Next by using the links available on the cdimage server" -> link is for daily-build | 12:35 |
| qswz | you're usng what currently? | 12:42 |
| qswz | it's avail in solftware updater | 12:43 |
| Mastus | well I'm "using" 14.10, but its going to an new build (new HW etc.) | 12:45 |
| Mastus | I thought that 17.10 would be released as the LXDE and LXQT variant | 12:46 |
| Mastus | So is my best bet the daily build or the mini-image? | 12:51 |
| agaida | lubuntu should be LXDE, the Lubuntu Next image should be LXQt iirc | 12:55 |
| Mastus | But where is the Lubuntunext image? | 12:55 |
| Mastus | Aaargh, there is no minimal iso image for 17.10, though this post states it as option how to install http://lubuntu.me/artful-released/ | 12:56 |
| agaida | as announced: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu-next/daily-live/pending/ | 12:57 |
| Mastus | Aand that's the daily build | 12:58 |
| agaida | Next is still work in progress - and i guess that there will be an image with the final 17.10 too - but it is no bad thing to have work in progress in a current state | 13:00 |
| * agaida think: with my LXQt hat on | 13:00 | |
| Mastus | So the only option is the daily build... | 13:02 |
| iiGhostX | How do you install .deb files? | 13:03 |
| Mastus | dpkg -i ? | 13:04 |
| agaida | apt install | 13:04 |
| agaida | and for local files: apt install ./$foo.deb | 13:05 |
| agaida | dpkg -i is a bit to low level and not really recommend | 13:05 |
| agaida | ed | 13:05 |
| Mastus | true | 13:06 |
| Mastus | oh well, time to download the daily build then. I just wish that the home page would be a little clearer about the status of the lubuntunext, especially when you have been reading all summer that "Finally 17.10 Lubuntu will arrive with lxqt" | 13:07 |
| agaida | But thats a good thing - LXQt is new and has many rough edges - with the upcoming release many of them are polished. Sometimes it is better to wait a little bit longer - remember KDE 4? :P | 13:11 |
| Mastus | Oh yeah, that was bad | 13:47 |
| agaida | And i guess thats the point: Lesson learned - never ever switch to fast. And it isn't wasted time - LXQt is the first time in debian stable (since 9), there are many bugfixes and improvements since than - beside a brand new Qt (many bugfixes) and new KF5 (some bugfixes) - so the upcoming LXQt release will fit for Lubuntu much better than 0.11.2 | 13:50 |
| qswz | too | 13:52 |
| qswz | it'll be ready for 18.04 then? | 13:53 |
| agaida | And sometimes it is just the sum of small things that make a good DE bad - maybe no show stopper for bleeding edge people - but for the normal user who "just want to use it" | 13:53 |
| agaida | qswz: I really don't know - i'm "only" upstream | 13:54 |
| qswz | ok | 13:54 |
| agaida | imho it would be fine to make a rock stable main image with LXDE - one should not forget that it wil have five years of support - and a next image as polished as can be with support until .10 - LXQt is still unter heavy development and five years are a long time | 13:57 |
| qswz | are there other distros that have already released a version with LXQt? | 13:58 |
| qswz | I seeLXQt integrates with gentoo, fedora, debian, .. | 13:59 |
| agaida | siduction since 2014 - based on debian sid - i guess some other sid based distros too - manjaro has an LXQt spin, newly fedora has a LXQt spin - but all have one thing in common | 14:00 |
| agaida | they are less or more rolling so they will catch up with the latest development - and thats a fine thing if one decide to live on the cutting or bleeding edge | 14:01 |
| qswz | yea I see | 14:01 |
| agaida | and it helps a lot to get LXQt more mature | 14:02 |
| agaida | and this is a real benefit for the users of so called stable or release based environments | 14:03 |
| agaida | in other words - the answer: Yes we know there was a bug - it's fixed in commit #0815 don't fit very well for release based binary distributions :D | 14:05 |
| bryanfrommacau | hi | 14:59 |
| Anti-Pizza | hi | 15:00 |
| bryanfrommacau | quick question: I would like to change a power management setting - when I close lid, I would like it to "do nothing" - no sleep or lock screen or anything | 15:00 |
| bryanfrommacau | is there an easy way to add that option? | 15:00 |
| bryanfrommacau | and nevermind.....I just realized that switch off display won't actually switch off the display for an external display.....sorry sorry no question | 15:02 |
| Mastus | OK, dailybuild Lubuntunext installed. Now need to change the GPU from this machine. "BRB" :) | 15:37 |
| tsimonq2 | agaida is exactly right | 16:19 |
| * agaida knows nothing about linux nor LXQt | 16:21 | |
| tsimonq2 | agaida: No but you | 16:22 |
| tsimonq2 | *you're right with what you said | 16:22 |
| tsimonq2 | That's my plan. | 16:22 |
| agaida | and it is a good plan | 16:22 |
| tsimonq2 | I agree. | 16:27 |
| tsimonq2 | :P | 16:27 |
| Mastus | LubuntuNext now installed from the dailybuild - so far only one hardlock :P | 17:35 |
| Mastus | qupzilla annoyingly does not work at all with the default nvidia drivers (after installing binary drivers all is ok) | 17:37 |
| tsimonq2 | Mastus: And that's expected. | 17:38 |
| tsimonq2 | Mastus: That is why we didn't release it as a final ISO. | 17:39 |
| Mastus | Well, so far the experience has been very good. Keep up the goood work | 17:44 |
| tsimonq2 | \ | 17:53 |
| tsimonq2 | \o/ | 17:53 |
| agaida | :) | 17:56 |
| Kamilion | huh | 18:08 |
| Kamilion | is that a bug in qupzilla or lower in QT? | 18:08 |
| dax | probably qtwebengine, if my experience with qupzilla elsewhere is anything to go by | 18:57 |
| dax | i had to do somethingorother to disable GPU rendering on my AMD card or <canvas> stuff didn't work, and i remember seeing stuff about nvidia scroll by while i was researching that | 18:58 |
| Kamilion | thanks, that's helpful. Assume that only happens in qupzilla 2.x+? | 19:10 |
| dax | i don't have experience with pre-2.x/qtwebkit | 19:11 |
| dax | i think so | 19:11 |
| Kamilion | thanks. I've been sticking xenial's qupzilla on ISOs for a long time now | 19:11 |
| Kamilion | which was using an older QT5 that (iirc) didn't yet have qt3d (and possibly missing some of the qtgl stuff as well) | 19:12 |
| Kamilion | which I think showed up in 5.8 or 5.9, something like that | 19:12 |
| dfsfgasd | what aout krack | 21:03 |
| dfsfgasd | what about krack | 21:03 |
| wxl | don't do it | 21:04 |
| dfsfgasd | wxl: are you talking to me? | 21:05 |
| wxl | yes, crack is bad | 21:06 |
| dfsfgasd | why? | 21:06 |
| wxl | well, it's highly addictive | 21:07 |
| dfsfgasd | I mean the krackattacks wi-fi | 21:07 |
| wxl | oh yes, that's a thing | 21:07 |
| dfsfgasd | so what about krackattacks | 21:07 |
| wxl | they're bad too | 21:08 |
| dfsfgasd | I am vilified online | 21:08 |
| wxl | wow, that must be hard | 21:09 |
| dfsfgasd | it was | 21:09 |
| wxl | bummer | 21:10 |
| dfsfgasd | who are you wxl and what is your position here? | 21:10 |
| wxl | i am that i am | 21:10 |
| dfsfgasd | but you must tell who you are | 21:10 |
| wxl | i must not, actually | 21:11 |
| dfsfgasd | tsimonq2: | 21:11 |
| dfsfgasd | tsimonq2: who is wxl ? | 21:11 |
| dfsfgasd | why would you not reveal yourself | 21:11 |
| wxl | why should i? | 21:11 |
| wxl | you tell me your street address and then i'll think about it | 21:12 |
| dfsfgasd | home street | 21:12 |
| wxl | yeah | 21:12 |
| dfsfgasd | do you believe in God? | 21:13 |
| wxl | that's a weird address | 21:13 |
| dfsfgasd | God | 21:14 |
| dfsfgasd | h | 21:15 |
| dfsfgasd | I need to talk to Adrian Lamo | 21:16 |
| wxl | well, i'm pretty sure he's not here | 21:16 |
| dfsfgasd | someone might know | 21:16 |
| wxl | also this is a support channel. if you're looking to chat about things unrelated to lubuntu support, you would need to go elsewhere | 21:17 |
| dfsfgasd | I contacted him before it happen | 21:17 |
| dfsfgasd | now you're talking | 21:17 |
| dfsfgasd | I want to know the measure taken on krackattacks | 21:17 |
| wxl | https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3455-1/ | 21:17 |
| dfsfgasd | a patch? | 21:17 |
| dfsfgasd | is it patched? | 21:18 |
| wxl | did you read the link? | 21:18 |
| Kamilion | there's a difference between reading and understanding, apparently. | 21:19 |
| dfsfgasd | I'm not very clever | 21:19 |
| wxl | fixed | 21:20 |
| Kamilion | dfsfgasd: there's already a fixed wpa_supplicant package out for supported stuff | 21:20 |
| dfsfgasd | but y did it happen? | 21:20 |
| Kamilion | i just got the fixed wpa_supplicant on xenial about an hour ago on one of my systems, i don't know how long ago the package was released. | 21:20 |
| dfsfgasd | for how long did it happen? | 21:20 |
| Kamilion | what? | 21:20 |
| wxl | it's always been there | 21:20 |
| dfsfgasd | do I need to change all my password? | 21:20 |
| Kamilion | the 4 way handshake problem? | 21:20 |
| wxl | or at least has been there for a long time | 21:20 |
| Kamilion | That has nothing to do with passwords | 21:21 |
| wxl | here's how to fix it: | 21:21 |
| wxl | 1. turn wifi off everywhere | 21:21 |
| Kamilion | Someone can put up a fake second Access point with the same name as yours, and force vulnerable clients to load an null encryption key | 21:21 |
| wxl | 2. when updates are available, update your system | 21:21 |
| wxl | 3. when the system is updated, turn it back on | 21:21 |
| dfsfgasd | do you mean off wifi on my phone? | 21:21 |
| wxl | every device capable of wifi, period | 21:22 |
| Kamilion | why? Do you expect someone to bring a wifi pineapple around you? | 21:22 |
| Kamilion | Do you live near a coffee shop that would likely be exploited by some jerk with an AP in a bag? | 21:22 |
| dfsfgasd | I'm a target | 21:22 |
| wxl | then follow the above instructions | 21:22 |
| dfsfgasd | I have a problem with some group | 21:22 |
| Kamilion | Then stop using computers. | 21:22 |
| dfsfgasd | anonymous | 21:22 |
| wxl | at this point the discussion is outside the bounds of lubuntu support | 21:22 |
| dfsfgasd | they are anonymous | 21:22 |
| Kamilion | I'm anonymous. | 21:22 |
| dfsfgasd | but not anonymous group hacktivist | 21:22 |
| wxl | so i would kindly ask you to continue this conversation elsewhere | 21:22 |
| wxl | got it, dfsfgasd ? | 21:23 |
| dfsfgasd | I still have questions | 21:23 |
| wxl | questions about krack, or questions about your lubuntu installation? | 21:23 |
| Kamilion | I still have answers for valid support questions. | 21:23 |
| Kamilion | Krack can be considered harmless unless you have a physical adversary within range. | 21:24 |
| dfsfgasd | I am targeted | 21:24 |
| Kamilion | upgrade your router with LEDE which already has the 4 way handshake fix. | 21:24 |
| Kamilion | only one side of the connection needs to be fixed | 21:24 |
| Kamilion | AP or client. | 21:25 |
| Kamilion | also, get rid of any android 6 devices | 21:25 |
| dfsfgasd | I read they can seepasswords | 21:25 |
| Kamilion | or upgrade them to android 7 | 21:25 |
| dfsfgasd | my android is 6 | 21:25 |
| dfsfgasd | they can see even with VPN connected | 21:25 |
| wxl | any other questions about lubuntu? | 21:26 |
| Kamilion | then someone can force your phone to use a key of all 00000000000, rendering everything in plaintext even though encryption says it's on. | 21:26 |
| dfsfgasd | is there no safe place online? | 21:26 |
| Kamilion | that's something you'll have to take up with google or your handset manufacturer, we can't support that | 21:26 |
| Kamilion | there has never been a safe place online. | 21:26 |
| wxl | dfsfgasd: any other questions about lubuntu? | 21:26 |
| Kamilion | dfsfgasd: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/04/duncan_campbell_christmas_gchq_lecture/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJfFOJVRMNU | 21:27 |
| Kamilion | The only thing I trust these days is openssh. It's one of the few remaining trustworthy protocols. | 21:28 |
| Kamilion | also, using HTTPS will prevent unencrypted data from leaking even if KRACK is used to attack. (Again, which requires an active adversary with a wireless access point of it's own) | 21:29 |
| dfsfgasd | https can still be decrypted | 21:30 |
| dfsfgasd | even passwords | 21:30 |
| Kamilion | ... Well, of course... If it couldn't be decrypted, it would just be meaningless random data. | 21:31 |
| agaida | wxl, Kamilion - please don't forget to sell our famous thin-foil-hats, please | 21:31 |
| Kamilion | ... did you spell that right? | 21:31 |
| Kamilion | thin foil? | 21:31 |
| Kamilion | or tin foil? | 21:31 |
| agaida | tin | 21:31 |
| Kamilion | because tin foil isn't ferromagnetic | 21:31 |
| Kamilion | copper foil is what you want | 21:31 |
| agaida | menno Aluhüte | 21:31 |
| agaida | :P | 21:32 |
| Kamilion | sorry, I don't speak spanish | 21:32 |
| dfsfgasd | I'm hearing voices | 21:32 |
| Kamilion | Buy an mp3 player | 21:32 |
| Kamilion | it's okay, the patents have expired now. | 21:32 |
| cry0xen | can we expect a stable version of lxqt release in 18.04? | 21:35 |
| Kamilion | i havn't gotten an answer on that either. | 21:35 |
| wxl | cry0xen: the likelihood increases with time, but nothing's official until it is. | 21:35 |
| wxl | much headway was made this last cycle | 21:36 |
| wxl | but there's still hurdles to overcome | 21:36 |
| Kamilion | ... since when has Anonymous been in Shah Alam, Selangor, Malaysia? | 21:36 |
| dfsfgasd | they have always been one | 21:37 |
| wxl | if you two want to talk security, please move elsewhere | 21:37 |
| wxl | this is the last time i ask nicely | 21:37 |
| dfsfgasd | wait | 21:37 |
| Kamilion | okay, I am now three inches to the left. | 21:37 |
| wxl | you can join #lubuntu-offtopic and discuss it there, for example | 21:38 |
| wxl | but not here. | 21:38 |
| Kamilion | pretty sure I'm already in there | 21:38 |
| Kamilion | probably detached from znc though | 21:38 |
| Kamilion | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNO6G4ApJQY https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Buy_A_Dog , because that's the only thing that'll save you from anonymous. | 21:40 |
| cry0xen | wxl, isn't it efficient to focus on lxqt solely... rather than focusing on both? I dont have any coding skill but to my understanding, updating qt version takes a lot of bug fixing... I noticed with a software and it was a mess... the whole OS is going to be huge .... | 21:40 |
| * Kamilion wanders off on internets | 21:40 | |
| Kamilion | cry0xen: lxqt's a different group of devs | 21:40 |
| Kamilion | the list of names between lxde and lxqt is not identical | 21:41 |
| wxl | cry0xen: qt is no more problematic than gtk | 21:41 |
| cry0xen | aah.. | 21:41 |
| Kamilion | and we still have to maintain the packages in the repository either way | 21:41 |
| Kamilion | plus lubuntu's a lot more than just the lxde packages. | 21:42 |
| Kamilion | Themes, default settings, xsessions... | 21:42 |
| cry0xen | thats why... | 21:42 |
| agaida | cry0xen: and you know the true words about stable - There's this special biologist word we use for "stable". It's "dead". ~ Jack Cohen | 21:42 |
| Kamilion | some of that can be reused; some of it must be remade (eg, some theme elements, in some cases) | 21:42 |
| Kamilion | more recent versions have had hi-dpi theme elements included, for example. | 21:43 |
| agaida | cry0xen: but one can expect a more polished version of LXQt in 18.04 - with less rough edges and better integrated | 21:43 |
| dean63 | hola | 22:00 |
| dean63 | halo! | 22:01 |
| dean63 | what is this channel for? | 22:01 |
| Kamilion | Channel topic is: Lubuntu support | About: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu | Docs: http://tinyurl.com/LubuntuHelp | Lubuntu 17.10 is out: http://lubuntu.me/artful-released/ | Offtopic: #lubuntu-offtopic | 22:03 |
| dean63 | i am looking 4 somebody | 22:05 |
| Kamilion | [15:05:51] somebody: No such nick/channel | 22:05 |
| Kamilion | [15:05:51] somebody WHOIS info from sinisalo.freenode.net | 22:05 |
| Kamilion | somebody is not on freenode right now. | 22:05 |
| dean63 | i think his name is tsimon like that | 22:05 |
| dean63 | like digimon | 22:06 |
| Kamilion | i thought it was simon, like simon. | 22:06 |
| Kamilion | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 22:06 |
| dean63 | do u think its funny | 22:06 |
| dean63 | do i look like i want a piece of your joke | 22:07 |
| dean63 | do i? | 22:07 |
| dean63 | LOL | 22:17 |
| dean63 | gotcha!! | 22:17 |
| dean63 | isnt it funny | 22:17 |
| dean63 | hahahahaha lolololol | 22:17 |
| dean63 | u mustve dropped ur pizza | 22:18 |
| dean63 | omg its fucking funny | 22:21 |
| dean63 | nobody replied lololol | 22:22 |
| mpmc | dean63: You're after tsimonq2 ? | 22:22 |
| dean63 | not really | 22:22 |
| dean63 | who is that | 22:22 |
| mpmc | "i think his name is tsimon like that" | 22:22 |
| dean63 | Kamilion: lolololol | 22:22 |
| dean63 | i dont remember | 22:23 |
| dean63 | mpmc: are you tsimon? | 22:23 |
| mpmc | Seriously.. | 22:23 |
| dean63 | why so serious | 22:24 |
| * mpmc smells a troll. | 22:24 | |
| krytarik | dean63: Please stop this now. | 22:24 |
| dean63 | ok ok im leaving | 22:24 |
| Kamilion | :3 | 22:41 |
| Kamilion | Sometimes walking away from the computer ends up being a lot funnier than I assumed it would be | 22:41 |
| mr-day | morning guys | 23:03 |
| Kamilion | ohayo | 23:04 |
| mr-day | ;) | 23:04 |
| mr-day | btw guys i got issue on my flash firefox plugin | 23:04 |
| wxl | you haven't heard about the flash vulnerability? | 23:04 |
| wxl | i wouldn't even bother with it at this point, frankly. | 23:04 |
| mr-day | wxl: yup i head read about that | 23:05 |
| mr-day | but i used some site who required to run flash | 23:05 |
| wxl | then don't use it! XD | 23:05 |
| wxl | it's on its way out | 23:05 |
| wxl | they've already called it discontinued | 23:05 |
| mr-day | my issue it always crash when i right click on their website who required flash | 23:06 |
| mr-day | wxl: haha yeah | 23:06 |
| mr-day | so how i can run it perfectly without flash 0,o | 23:06 |
| wxl | ask the website | 23:07 |
| wxl | they're doing you a disservice by forcing you to use it | 23:07 |
| Kamilion | use shumway | 23:07 |
| mr-day | hah lol | 23:07 |
| mr-day | Kamilion: what is it | 23:07 |
| Kamilion | http://mozilla.github.io/shumway/ | 23:07 |
| mr-day | nice will go there | 23:08 |
| Kamilion | works great for older flash stuff like albinoblacksheep.com's collection of flash3-flash7 swfs | 23:08 |
| Kamilion | wxl: yeah, practicefusion requires flash, and the hilarious thing is, they were targeting doctors with ipads | 23:09 |
| mr-day | sounds good ^^ ok will trying it now | 23:09 |
| Kamilion | to extort extra money out of said doctors; they offered a subscription remote desktop service, purely to allow a single flash app to run on an ipad. | 23:09 |
| Kamilion | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Practice_Fusion | 23:10 |
| * Kamilion was the jerk that had to get said subscription remote desktop service working | 23:11 | |
| Kamilion | all so they could have some styled buttons in their forms | 23:12 |
| mr-day | i had installed shumway | 23:15 |
| mr-day | btw how to configure it out, is it automatically? | 23:16 |
| mr-day | i try to open some site required flash but it still crash when i try to right click | 23:17 |
| wxl | what is this terrible site you're using, mr-day ? | 23:17 |
| mr-day | wxl: haha it just online photo editor | 23:17 |
| mr-day | lol | 23:17 |
| wxl | which one? | 23:17 |
| dasdsf | krack | 23:17 |
| mr-day | wxl: https://www.befunky.com this | 23:18 |
| dasdsf | a group of kid scarer is following me online | 23:18 |
| mr-day | owhya btw it just only crash on my firefox, all its going ok on my chrome | 23:18 |
| wxl | dasdsf: are you done or do i need to kick you? | 23:18 |
| wxl | mr-day: so use chrome, right? | 23:19 |
| mr-day | wxl: yes and no xD | 23:19 |
| mr-day | bec chrome look like laggy | 23:19 |
| mr-day | is mozilla have irc channel ? maybe i want to ask their (sorry OOT btw, but it still related to main question i thought xD) | 23:24 |
| mr-day | brb restart my firefox | 23:33 |
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