=== him-cesjf is now known as himcesjf [08:39] hey folks, now that ubuntu has stopped releasing 32bit versions of desktop is lubuntu going to go the same way shortly? [08:40] magnet:?xt=urn:btih:218aaaa43c0f7b8f3ebc6e69cf2571922a944620&dn=lubuntu-17.10-desktop-i386.iso [08:47] mattyw: as I understand it from watching devs talk about it: no, not any time soon [08:47] dax, that's good news, certainly the next lts should support i386? [08:48] mattyw: 18.04? yes, i would expect so [08:48] dax, that would be great news thanks [09:27] 17.10 is using LXQt? I don't see a big diff visuallly [12:27] Would appreciate a bit of help [12:28] So is there 17.10 LubuntuNext (with LXQT) release or not [12:34] "we do NOT recommend that people use it in production unless they are aware of the somewhat critical bugs associated (which are more than 10 at the point of writing this)" <- Where is the bug tracker, https://launchpad.net/lubuntu-next shows only 1 critical bug [12:35] http://lubuntu.me/artful-released/ -> "You can install Lubuntu Next by using the links available on the cdimage server" -> link is for daily-build [12:42] you're usng what currently? [12:43] it's avail in solftware updater [12:45] well I'm "using" 14.10, but its going to an new build (new HW etc.) [12:46] I thought that 17.10 would be released as the LXDE and LXQT variant [12:51] So is my best bet the daily build or the mini-image? [12:55] lubuntu should be LXDE, the Lubuntu Next image should be LXQt iirc [12:55] But where is the Lubuntunext image? [12:56] Aaargh, there is no minimal iso image for 17.10, though this post states it as option how to install http://lubuntu.me/artful-released/ [12:57] as announced: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu-next/daily-live/pending/ [12:58] Aand that's the daily build [13:00] Next is still work in progress - and i guess that there will be an image with the final 17.10 too - but it is no bad thing to have work in progress in a current state [13:00] * agaida think: with my LXQt hat on [13:02] So the only option is the daily build... [13:03] How do you install .deb files? [13:04] dpkg -i ? [13:04] apt install [13:05] and for local files: apt install ./$foo.deb [13:05] dpkg -i is a bit to low level and not really recommend [13:05] ed [13:06] true [13:07] oh well, time to download the daily build then. I just wish that the home page would be a little clearer about the status of the lubuntunext, especially when you have been reading all summer that "Finally 17.10 Lubuntu will arrive with lxqt" [13:11] But thats a good thing - LXQt is new and has many rough edges - with the upcoming release many of them are polished. Sometimes it is better to wait a little bit longer - remember KDE 4? :P [13:47] Oh yeah, that was bad [13:50] And i guess thats the point: Lesson learned - never ever switch to fast. And it isn't wasted time - LXQt is the first time in debian stable (since 9), there are many bugfixes and improvements since than - beside a brand new Qt (many bugfixes) and new KF5 (some bugfixes) - so the upcoming LXQt release will fit for Lubuntu much better than 0.11.2 [13:52] too [13:53] it'll be ready for 18.04 then? [13:53] And sometimes it is just the sum of small things that make a good DE bad - maybe no show stopper for bleeding edge people - but for the normal user who "just want to use it" [13:54] qswz: I really don't know - i'm "only" upstream [13:54] ok [13:57] imho it would be fine to make a rock stable main image with LXDE - one should not forget that it wil have five years of support - and a next image as polished as can be with support until .10 - LXQt is still unter heavy development and five years are a long time [13:58] are there other distros that have already released a version with LXQt? [13:59] I seeLXQt integrates with gentoo, fedora, debian, .. [14:00] siduction since 2014 - based on debian sid - i guess some other sid based distros too - manjaro has an LXQt spin, newly fedora has a LXQt spin - but all have one thing in common [14:01] they are less or more rolling so they will catch up with the latest development - and thats a fine thing if one decide to live on the cutting or bleeding edge [14:01] yea I see [14:02] and it helps a lot to get LXQt more mature [14:03] and this is a real benefit for the users of so called stable or release based environments [14:05] in other words - the answer: Yes we know there was a bug - it's fixed in commit #0815 don't fit very well for release based binary distributions :D [14:59] hi [15:00] hi [15:00] quick question: I would like to change a power management setting - when I close lid, I would like it to "do nothing" - no sleep or lock screen or anything [15:00] is there an easy way to add that option? [15:02] and nevermind.....I just realized that switch off display won't actually switch off the display for an external display.....sorry sorry no question [15:37] OK, dailybuild Lubuntunext installed. Now need to change the GPU from this machine. "BRB" :) [16:19] agaida is exactly right [16:21] * agaida knows nothing about linux nor LXQt [16:22] agaida: No but you [16:22] *you're right with what you said [16:22] That's my plan. [16:22] and it is a good plan [16:27] I agree. [16:27] :P [17:35] LubuntuNext now installed from the dailybuild - so far only one hardlock :P [17:37] qupzilla annoyingly does not work at all with the default nvidia drivers (after installing binary drivers all is ok) [17:38] Mastus: And that's expected. [17:39] Mastus: That is why we didn't release it as a final ISO. [17:44] Well, so far the experience has been very good. Keep up the goood work [17:53] \ [17:53] \o/ [17:56] :) [18:08] huh [18:08] is that a bug in qupzilla or lower in QT? [18:57] probably qtwebengine, if my experience with qupzilla elsewhere is anything to go by [18:58] i had to do somethingorother to disable GPU rendering on my AMD card or stuff didn't work, and i remember seeing stuff about nvidia scroll by while i was researching that [19:10] thanks, that's helpful. Assume that only happens in qupzilla 2.x+? [19:11] i don't have experience with pre-2.x/qtwebkit [19:11] i think so [19:11] thanks. I've been sticking xenial's qupzilla on ISOs for a long time now [19:12] which was using an older QT5 that (iirc) didn't yet have qt3d (and possibly missing some of the qtgl stuff as well) [19:12] which I think showed up in 5.8 or 5.9, something like that [21:03] what aout krack [21:03] what about krack [21:04] don't do it [21:05] wxl: are you talking to me? [21:06] yes, crack is bad [21:06] why? [21:07] well, it's highly addictive [21:07] I mean the krackattacks wi-fi [21:07] oh yes, that's a thing [21:07] so what about krackattacks [21:08] they're bad too [21:08] I am vilified online [21:09] wow, that must be hard [21:09] it was [21:10] bummer [21:10] who are you wxl and what is your position here? [21:10] i am that i am [21:10] but you must tell who you are [21:11] i must not, actually [21:11] tsimonq2: [21:11] tsimonq2: who is wxl ? [21:11] why would you not reveal yourself [21:11] why should i? [21:12] you tell me your street address and then i'll think about it [21:12] home street [21:12] yeah [21:13] do you believe in God? [21:13] that's a weird address [21:14] God [21:15] h [21:16] I need to talk to Adrian Lamo [21:16] well, i'm pretty sure he's not here [21:16] someone might know [21:17] also this is a support channel. if you're looking to chat about things unrelated to lubuntu support, you would need to go elsewhere [21:17] I contacted him before it happen [21:17] now you're talking [21:17] I want to know the measure taken on krackattacks [21:17] https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3455-1/ [21:17] a patch? [21:18] is it patched? [21:18] did you read the link? [21:19] there's a difference between reading and understanding, apparently. [21:19] I'm not very clever [21:20] fixed [21:20] dfsfgasd: there's already a fixed wpa_supplicant package out for supported stuff [21:20] but y did it happen? [21:20] i just got the fixed wpa_supplicant on xenial about an hour ago on one of my systems, i don't know how long ago the package was released. [21:20] for how long did it happen? [21:20] what? [21:20] it's always been there [21:20] do I need to change all my password? [21:20] the 4 way handshake problem? [21:20] or at least has been there for a long time [21:21] That has nothing to do with passwords [21:21] here's how to fix it: [21:21] 1. turn wifi off everywhere [21:21] Someone can put up a fake second Access point with the same name as yours, and force vulnerable clients to load an null encryption key [21:21] 2. when updates are available, update your system [21:21] 3. when the system is updated, turn it back on [21:21] do you mean off wifi on my phone? [21:22] every device capable of wifi, period [21:22] why? Do you expect someone to bring a wifi pineapple around you? [21:22] Do you live near a coffee shop that would likely be exploited by some jerk with an AP in a bag? [21:22] I'm a target [21:22] then follow the above instructions [21:22] I have a problem with some group [21:22] Then stop using computers. [21:22] anonymous [21:22] at this point the discussion is outside the bounds of lubuntu support [21:22] they are anonymous [21:22] I'm anonymous. [21:22] but not anonymous group hacktivist [21:22] so i would kindly ask you to continue this conversation elsewhere [21:23] got it, dfsfgasd ? [21:23] I still have questions [21:23] questions about krack, or questions about your lubuntu installation? [21:23] I still have answers for valid support questions. [21:24] Krack can be considered harmless unless you have a physical adversary within range. [21:24] I am targeted [21:24] upgrade your router with LEDE which already has the 4 way handshake fix. [21:24] only one side of the connection needs to be fixed [21:25] AP or client. [21:25] also, get rid of any android 6 devices [21:25] I read they can seepasswords [21:25] or upgrade them to android 7 [21:25] my android is 6 [21:25] they can see even with VPN connected [21:26] any other questions about lubuntu? [21:26] then someone can force your phone to use a key of all 00000000000, rendering everything in plaintext even though encryption says it's on. [21:26] is there no safe place online? [21:26] that's something you'll have to take up with google or your handset manufacturer, we can't support that [21:26] there has never been a safe place online. [21:26] dfsfgasd: any other questions about lubuntu? [21:27] dfsfgasd: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/04/duncan_campbell_christmas_gchq_lecture/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJfFOJVRMNU [21:28] The only thing I trust these days is openssh. It's one of the few remaining trustworthy protocols. [21:29] also, using HTTPS will prevent unencrypted data from leaking even if KRACK is used to attack. (Again, which requires an active adversary with a wireless access point of it's own) [21:30] https can still be decrypted [21:30] even passwords [21:31] ... Well, of course... If it couldn't be decrypted, it would just be meaningless random data. [21:31] wxl, Kamilion - please don't forget to sell our famous thin-foil-hats, please [21:31] ... did you spell that right? [21:31] thin foil? [21:31] or tin foil? [21:31] tin [21:31] because tin foil isn't ferromagnetic [21:31] copper foil is what you want [21:31] menno Aluhüte [21:32] :P [21:32] sorry, I don't speak spanish [21:32] I'm hearing voices [21:32] Buy an mp3 player [21:32] it's okay, the patents have expired now. [21:35] can we expect a stable version of lxqt release in 18.04? [21:35] i havn't gotten an answer on that either. [21:35] cry0xen: the likelihood increases with time, but nothing's official until it is. [21:36] much headway was made this last cycle [21:36] but there's still hurdles to overcome [21:36] ... since when has Anonymous been in Shah Alam, Selangor, Malaysia? [21:37] they have always been one [21:37] if you two want to talk security, please move elsewhere [21:37] this is the last time i ask nicely [21:37] wait [21:37] okay, I am now three inches to the left. [21:38] you can join #lubuntu-offtopic and discuss it there, for example [21:38] but not here. [21:38] pretty sure I'm already in there [21:38] probably detached from znc though [21:40] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNO6G4ApJQY https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Buy_A_Dog , because that's the only thing that'll save you from anonymous. [21:40] wxl, isn't it efficient to focus on lxqt solely... rather than focusing on both? I dont have any coding skill but to my understanding, updating qt version takes a lot of bug fixing... I noticed with a software and it was a mess... the whole OS is going to be huge .... [21:40] * Kamilion wanders off on internets [21:40] cry0xen: lxqt's a different group of devs [21:41] the list of names between lxde and lxqt is not identical [21:41] cry0xen: qt is no more problematic than gtk [21:41] aah.. [21:41] and we still have to maintain the packages in the repository either way [21:42] plus lubuntu's a lot more than just the lxde packages. [21:42] Themes, default settings, xsessions... [21:42] thats why... [21:42] cry0xen: and you know the true words about stable - There's this special biologist word we use for "stable". It's "dead". ~ Jack Cohen [21:42] some of that can be reused; some of it must be remade (eg, some theme elements, in some cases) [21:43] more recent versions have had hi-dpi theme elements included, for example. [21:43] cry0xen: but one can expect a more polished version of LXQt in 18.04 - with less rough edges and better integrated [22:00] hola [22:01] halo! [22:01] what is this channel for? [22:03] Channel topic is: Lubuntu support | About: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu | Docs: http://tinyurl.com/LubuntuHelp | Lubuntu 17.10 is out: http://lubuntu.me/artful-released/ | Offtopic: #lubuntu-offtopic [22:05] i am looking 4 somebody [22:05] [15:05:51] somebody: No such nick/channel [22:05] [15:05:51] somebody WHOIS info from sinisalo.freenode.net [22:05] somebody is not on freenode right now. [22:05] i think his name is tsimon like that [22:06] like digimon [22:06] i thought it was simon, like simon. [22:06] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [22:06] do u think its funny [22:07] do i look like i want a piece of your joke [22:07] do i? [22:17] LOL [22:17] gotcha!! [22:17] isnt it funny [22:17] hahahahaha lolololol [22:18] u mustve dropped ur pizza [22:21] omg its fucking funny [22:22] nobody replied lololol [22:22] dean63: You're after tsimonq2 ? [22:22] not really [22:22] who is that [22:22] "i think his name is tsimon like that" [22:22] Kamilion: lolololol [22:23] i dont remember [22:23] mpmc: are you tsimon? [22:23] Seriously.. [22:24] why so serious [22:24] * mpmc smells a troll. [22:24] dean63: Please stop this now. [22:24] ok ok im leaving [22:41] :3 [22:41] Sometimes walking away from the computer ends up being a lot funnier than I assumed it would be [23:03] morning guys [23:04] ohayo [23:04] ;) [23:04] btw guys i got issue on my flash firefox plugin [23:04] you haven't heard about the flash vulnerability? [23:04] i wouldn't even bother with it at this point, frankly. [23:05] wxl: yup i head read about that [23:05] but i used some site who required to run flash [23:05] then don't use it! XD [23:05] it's on its way out [23:05] they've already called it discontinued [23:06] my issue it always crash when i right click on their website who required flash [23:06] wxl: haha yeah [23:06] so how i can run it perfectly without flash 0,o [23:07] ask the website [23:07] they're doing you a disservice by forcing you to use it [23:07] use shumway [23:07] hah lol [23:07] Kamilion: what is it [23:07] http://mozilla.github.io/shumway/ [23:08] nice will go there [23:08] works great for older flash stuff like albinoblacksheep.com's collection of flash3-flash7 swfs [23:09] wxl: yeah, practicefusion requires flash, and the hilarious thing is, they were targeting doctors with ipads [23:09] sounds good ^^ ok will trying it now [23:09] to extort extra money out of said doctors; they offered a subscription remote desktop service, purely to allow a single flash app to run on an ipad. [23:10] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Practice_Fusion [23:11] * Kamilion was the jerk that had to get said subscription remote desktop service working [23:12] all so they could have some styled buttons in their forms [23:15] i had installed shumway [23:16] btw how to configure it out, is it automatically? [23:17] i try to open some site required flash but it still crash when i try to right click [23:17] what is this terrible site you're using, mr-day ? [23:17] wxl: haha it just online photo editor [23:17] lol [23:17] which one? [23:17] krack [23:18] wxl: https://www.befunky.com this [23:18] a group of kid scarer is following me online [23:18] owhya btw it just only crash on my firefox, all its going ok on my chrome [23:18] dasdsf: are you done or do i need to kick you? [23:19] mr-day: so use chrome, right? [23:19] wxl: yes and no xD [23:19] bec chrome look like laggy [23:24] is mozilla have irc channel ? maybe i want to ask their (sorry OOT btw, but it still related to main question i thought xD) [23:33] brb restart my firefox