[08:39] <mattyw> hey folks, now that ubuntu has stopped releasing 32bit versions of desktop is lubuntu going to go the same way shortly?
[08:40] <LioneLL> magnet:?xt=urn:btih:218aaaa43c0f7b8f3ebc6e69cf2571922a944620&dn=lubuntu-17.10-desktop-i386.iso
[08:47] <dax> mattyw: as I understand it from watching devs talk about it: no, not any time soon
[08:47] <mattyw> dax, that's good news, certainly the next lts should support i386?
[08:48] <dax> mattyw: 18.04? yes, i would expect so
[08:48] <mattyw> dax, that would be great news thanks
[09:27] <qswz> 17.10 is using LXQt? I don't see a big diff visuallly
[12:27] <Mastus> Would appreciate a bit of help
[12:28] <Mastus> So is there 17.10 LubuntuNext (with LXQT) release or not
[12:34] <Mastus> "we do NOT recommend that people use it in production unless they are aware of the somewhat critical bugs associated (which are more than 10 at the point of writing this)"  <- Where is the bug tracker, https://launchpad.net/lubuntu-next shows only 1 critical bug
[12:35] <Mastus> http://lubuntu.me/artful-released/ -> "You can install Lubuntu Next by using the links available on the cdimage server"  -> link is for daily-build
[12:42] <qswz> you're usng what currently?
[12:43] <qswz> it's avail in solftware updater
[12:45] <Mastus> well I'm "using" 14.10, but its going to an new build (new HW etc.)
[12:46] <Mastus> I thought that 17.10 would be released as the LXDE and LXQT variant
[12:51] <Mastus> So is my best bet the daily build or the mini-image?
[12:55] <agaida> lubuntu should be LXDE, the Lubuntu Next image should be LXQt iirc
[12:55] <Mastus> But where is the Lubuntunext image?
[12:56] <Mastus> Aaargh, there is no minimal iso image for 17.10, though this post states it as option how to install http://lubuntu.me/artful-released/
[12:57] <agaida> as announced: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu-next/daily-live/pending/
[12:58] <Mastus> Aand that's the daily build
[13:00] <agaida> Next is still work in progress - and i guess that there will be an image with the final 17.10 too - but it is no bad thing to have work in progress in a current state
[13:00]  * agaida think: with my LXQt hat on
[13:02] <Mastus> So the only option is the daily build...
[13:03] <iiGhostX> How do you install .deb files?
[13:04] <Mastus> dpkg -i ?
[13:04] <agaida> apt install
[13:05] <agaida> and for local files: apt install ./$foo.deb
[13:05] <agaida> dpkg -i is a bit to low level and not really recommend
[13:05] <agaida> ed
[13:06] <Mastus> true
[13:07] <Mastus> oh well, time to download the daily build then. I just wish that the home page would be a little clearer about the status of the lubuntunext, especially when you have been reading all summer that "Finally 17.10 Lubuntu will arrive with lxqt"
[13:11] <agaida> But thats a good thing - LXQt is new and has many rough edges - with the upcoming release many of them are polished. Sometimes it is better to wait a little bit longer - remember KDE 4? :P
[13:47] <Mastus> Oh yeah, that was bad
[13:50] <agaida> And i guess thats the point: Lesson learned - never ever switch to fast. And it isn't wasted time - LXQt is the first time in debian stable (since 9), there are many bugfixes and improvements since than - beside a brand new Qt (many bugfixes) and new KF5 (some bugfixes) - so the upcoming LXQt release will fit for Lubuntu much better than 0.11.2
[13:52] <qswz> too
[13:53] <qswz> it'll be ready for 18.04 then?
[13:53] <agaida> And sometimes it is just the sum of small things that make a good DE bad - maybe no show stopper for bleeding edge people - but for the normal user who "just want to use it"
[13:54] <agaida> qswz: I really don't know - i'm "only" upstream
[13:54] <qswz> ok
[13:57] <agaida> imho it would be fine to make a rock stable main image with LXDE - one should not forget that it wil have five years of support - and a next image as polished as can be with support until .10 - LXQt is still unter heavy development and five years are a long time
[13:58] <qswz> are there other distros that have already released a version with LXQt?
[13:59] <qswz> I seeLXQt integrates with gentoo, fedora, debian, ..
[14:00] <agaida> siduction since 2014 - based on debian sid - i guess some other sid based distros too - manjaro has an LXQt spin, newly fedora has a LXQt spin - but all have one thing in common
[14:01] <agaida> they are less or more rolling so they will catch up with the latest development - and thats a fine thing if one decide to live on the cutting or bleeding edge
[14:01] <qswz> yea I see
[14:02] <agaida> and it helps a lot to get LXQt more mature
[14:03] <agaida> and this is a real benefit for the users of so called stable or release based environments
[14:05] <agaida> in other words - the answer: Yes we know there was a bug - it's fixed in commit #0815 don't fit very well for release based binary distributions :D
[14:59] <bryanfrommacau> hi
[15:00] <Anti-Pizza> hi
[15:00] <bryanfrommacau> quick question: I would like to change a power management setting - when I close lid, I would like it to "do nothing" - no sleep or lock screen or anything
[15:00] <bryanfrommacau> is there an easy way to add that option?
[15:02] <bryanfrommacau> and nevermind.....I just realized that switch off display won't actually switch off the display for an external display.....sorry sorry no question
[15:37] <Mastus> OK, dailybuild Lubuntunext installed. Now need to change the GPU from this machine. "BRB" :)
[16:19] <tsimonq2> agaida is exactly right
[16:21]  * agaida knows nothing about linux nor LXQt
[16:22] <tsimonq2> agaida: No but you
[16:22] <tsimonq2> *you're right with what you said
[16:22] <tsimonq2> That's my plan.
[16:22] <agaida> and it is a good plan
[16:27] <tsimonq2> I agree.
[16:27] <tsimonq2> :P
[17:35] <Mastus> LubuntuNext now installed from the dailybuild - so far only one hardlock :P
[17:37] <Mastus> qupzilla annoyingly does not work at all with the default nvidia drivers (after installing binary drivers all is ok)
[17:38] <tsimonq2> Mastus: And that's expected.
[17:39] <tsimonq2> Mastus: That is why we didn't release it as a final ISO.
[17:44] <Mastus> Well, so far the experience has been very good. Keep up the goood work
[17:53] <tsimonq2> \
[17:53] <tsimonq2> \o/
[17:56] <agaida> :)
[18:08] <Kamilion> huh
[18:08] <Kamilion> is that a bug in qupzilla or lower in QT?
[18:57] <dax> probably qtwebengine, if my experience with qupzilla elsewhere is anything to go by
[18:58] <dax> i had to do somethingorother to disable GPU rendering on my AMD card or <canvas> stuff didn't work, and i remember seeing stuff about nvidia scroll by while i was researching that
[19:10] <Kamilion> thanks, that's helpful. Assume that only happens in qupzilla 2.x+?
[19:11] <dax> i don't have experience with pre-2.x/qtwebkit
[19:11] <dax> i think so
[19:11] <Kamilion> thanks. I've been sticking xenial's qupzilla on ISOs for a long time now
[19:12] <Kamilion> which was using an older QT5 that (iirc) didn't yet have qt3d (and possibly missing some of the qtgl stuff as well)
[19:12] <Kamilion> which I think showed up in 5.8 or 5.9, something like that
[21:03] <dfsfgasd> what aout krack
[21:03] <dfsfgasd> what about krack
[21:04] <wxl> don't do it
[21:05] <dfsfgasd> wxl: are you talking to me?
[21:06] <wxl> yes, crack is bad
[21:06] <dfsfgasd> why?
[21:07] <wxl> well, it's highly addictive
[21:07] <dfsfgasd> I mean the krackattacks wi-fi
[21:07] <wxl> oh yes, that's a thing
[21:07] <dfsfgasd> so what about krackattacks
[21:08] <wxl> they're bad too
[21:08] <dfsfgasd> I am vilified online
[21:09] <wxl> wow, that must be hard
[21:09] <dfsfgasd> it was
[21:10] <wxl> bummer
[21:10] <dfsfgasd> who are you wxl and what is your position here?
[21:10] <wxl> i am that i am
[21:10] <dfsfgasd> but you must tell who you are
[21:11] <wxl> i must not, actually
[21:11] <dfsfgasd> tsimonq2:
[21:11] <dfsfgasd> tsimonq2: who is wxl ?
[21:11] <dfsfgasd> why would you not reveal yourself
[21:11] <wxl> why should i?
[21:12] <wxl> you tell me your street address and then i'll think about it
[21:12] <dfsfgasd> home street
[21:12] <wxl> yeah
[21:13] <dfsfgasd> do you believe in God?
[21:13] <wxl> that's a weird address
[21:14] <dfsfgasd> God
[21:15] <dfsfgasd> h
[21:16] <dfsfgasd> I need to talk to Adrian Lamo
[21:16] <wxl> well, i'm pretty sure he's not here
[21:16] <dfsfgasd> someone might know
[21:17] <wxl> also this is a support channel. if you're looking to chat about things unrelated to lubuntu support, you would need to go elsewhere
[21:17] <dfsfgasd> I contacted him before it happen
[21:17] <dfsfgasd> now you're talking
[21:17] <dfsfgasd> I want to know the measure taken on krackattacks
[21:17] <wxl> https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3455-1/
[21:17] <dfsfgasd> a patch?
[21:18] <dfsfgasd> is it patched?
[21:18] <wxl> did you read the link?
[21:19] <Kamilion> there's a difference between reading and understanding, apparently.
[21:19] <dfsfgasd> I'm not very clever
[21:20] <wxl> fixed
[21:20] <Kamilion> dfsfgasd: there's already a fixed wpa_supplicant package out for supported stuff
[21:20] <dfsfgasd> but y did it happen?
[21:20] <Kamilion> i just got the fixed wpa_supplicant on xenial about an hour ago on one of my systems, i don't know how long ago the package was released.
[21:20] <dfsfgasd> for how long did it happen?
[21:20] <Kamilion> what?
[21:20] <wxl> it's always been there
[21:20] <dfsfgasd> do I need to change all my password?
[21:20] <Kamilion> the 4 way handshake problem?
[21:20] <wxl> or at least has been there for a long time
[21:21] <Kamilion> That has nothing to do with passwords
[21:21] <wxl> here's how to fix it:
[21:21] <wxl>  1. turn wifi off everywhere
[21:21] <Kamilion> Someone can put up a fake second Access point with the same name as yours, and force vulnerable clients to load an null encryption key
[21:21] <wxl>  2. when updates are available, update your system
[21:21] <wxl>  3. when the system is updated, turn it back on
[21:21] <dfsfgasd> do you mean off wifi on my phone?
[21:22] <wxl> every device capable of wifi, period
[21:22] <Kamilion> why? Do you expect someone to bring a wifi pineapple around you?
[21:22] <Kamilion> Do you live near a coffee shop that would likely be exploited by some jerk with an AP in a bag?
[21:22] <dfsfgasd> I'm a target
[21:22] <wxl> then follow the above instructions
[21:22] <dfsfgasd> I have a problem with some group
[21:22] <Kamilion> Then stop using computers.
[21:22] <dfsfgasd> anonymous
[21:22] <wxl> at this point the discussion is outside the bounds of lubuntu support
[21:22] <dfsfgasd> they are anonymous
[21:22] <Kamilion> I'm anonymous.
[21:22] <dfsfgasd> but not anonymous group hacktivist
[21:22] <wxl> so i would kindly ask you to continue this conversation elsewhere
[21:23] <wxl> got it, dfsfgasd ?
[21:23] <dfsfgasd> I still have questions
[21:23] <wxl> questions about krack, or questions about your lubuntu installation?
[21:23] <Kamilion> I still have answers for valid support questions.
[21:24] <Kamilion> Krack can be considered harmless unless you have a physical adversary within range.
[21:24] <dfsfgasd> I am targeted
[21:24] <Kamilion> upgrade your router with LEDE which already has the 4 way handshake fix.
[21:24] <Kamilion> only one side of the connection needs to be fixed
[21:25] <Kamilion> AP or client.
[21:25] <Kamilion> also, get rid of any android 6 devices
[21:25] <dfsfgasd> I read they can seepasswords
[21:25] <Kamilion> or upgrade them to android 7
[21:25] <dfsfgasd> my android is 6
[21:25] <dfsfgasd> they can see even with VPN connected
[21:26] <wxl> any other questions about lubuntu?
[21:26] <Kamilion> then someone can force your phone to use a key of all 00000000000, rendering everything in plaintext even though encryption says it's on.
[21:26] <dfsfgasd> is there no safe place online?
[21:26] <Kamilion> that's something you'll have to take up with google or your handset manufacturer, we can't support that
[21:26] <Kamilion> there has never been a safe place online.
[21:26] <wxl> dfsfgasd: any other questions about lubuntu?
[21:27] <Kamilion> dfsfgasd: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/04/duncan_campbell_christmas_gchq_lecture/   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJfFOJVRMNU
[21:28] <Kamilion> The only thing I trust these days is openssh. It's one of the few remaining trustworthy protocols.
[21:29] <Kamilion> also, using HTTPS will prevent unencrypted data from leaking even if KRACK is used to attack. (Again, which requires an active adversary with a wireless access point of it's own)
[21:30] <dfsfgasd> https can still be decrypted
[21:30] <dfsfgasd> even passwords
[21:31] <Kamilion> ... Well, of course... If it couldn't be decrypted, it would just be meaningless random data.
[21:31] <agaida> wxl, Kamilion - please don't forget to sell our famous thin-foil-hats, please
[21:31] <Kamilion> ... did you spell that right?
[21:31] <Kamilion> thin foil?
[21:31] <Kamilion> or tin foil?
[21:31] <agaida> tin
[21:31] <Kamilion> because tin foil isn't ferromagnetic
[21:31] <Kamilion> copper foil is what you want
[21:31] <agaida> menno Aluhüte
[21:32] <agaida> :P
[21:32] <Kamilion> sorry, I don't speak spanish
[21:32] <dfsfgasd> I'm hearing voices
[21:32] <Kamilion> Buy an mp3 player
[21:32] <Kamilion> it's okay, the patents have expired now.
[21:35] <cry0xen> can we expect a stable version of lxqt release in 18.04?
[21:35] <Kamilion> i havn't gotten an answer on that either.
[21:35] <wxl> cry0xen: the likelihood increases with time, but nothing's official until it is.
[21:36] <wxl> much headway was made this last cycle
[21:36] <wxl> but there's still hurdles to overcome
[21:36] <Kamilion> ... since when has Anonymous been in Shah Alam, Selangor, Malaysia?
[21:37] <dfsfgasd> they have always been one
[21:37] <wxl> if you two want to talk security, please move elsewhere
[21:37] <wxl> this is the last time i ask nicely
[21:37] <dfsfgasd> wait
[21:37] <Kamilion> okay, I am now three inches to the left.
[21:38] <wxl> you can join #lubuntu-offtopic and discuss it there, for example
[21:38] <wxl> but not here.
[21:38] <Kamilion> pretty sure I'm already in there
[21:38] <Kamilion> probably detached from znc though
[21:40] <Kamilion> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNO6G4ApJQY   https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Buy_A_Dog , because that's the only thing that'll save you from anonymous.
[21:40] <cry0xen> wxl, isn't it efficient to focus on lxqt solely... rather than focusing on both? I dont have any coding skill but to my understanding, updating qt version takes a lot of bug fixing... I noticed with a software and it was a mess... the whole OS is going to be huge ....
[21:40]  * Kamilion wanders off on internets
[21:40] <Kamilion> cry0xen: lxqt's a different group of devs
[21:41] <Kamilion> the list of names between lxde and lxqt is not identical
[21:41] <wxl> cry0xen: qt is no more problematic than gtk
[21:41] <cry0xen> aah..
[21:41] <Kamilion> and we still have to maintain the packages in the repository either way
[21:42] <Kamilion> plus lubuntu's a lot more than just the lxde packages.
[21:42] <Kamilion> Themes, default settings, xsessions...
[21:42] <cry0xen> thats why...
[21:42] <agaida> cry0xen: and you know the true words about stable - There's this special biologist word we use for "stable". It's "dead". ~ Jack Cohen
[21:42] <Kamilion> some of that can be reused; some of it must be remade (eg, some theme elements, in some cases)
[21:43] <Kamilion> more recent versions have had hi-dpi theme elements included, for example.
[21:43] <agaida> cry0xen: but one can expect a more polished version of LXQt in 18.04 - with less rough edges and better integrated
[22:00] <dean63> hola
[22:01] <dean63> halo!
[22:01] <dean63> what is this channel for?
[22:03] <Kamilion> Channel topic is: Lubuntu support | About: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu | Docs: http://tinyurl.com/LubuntuHelp | Lubuntu 17.10 is out: http://lubuntu.me/artful-released/ | Offtopic: #lubuntu-offtopic
[22:05] <dean63> i am looking 4 somebody
[22:05] <Kamilion> [15:05:51] somebody: No such nick/channel
[22:05] <Kamilion> [15:05:51] somebody WHOIS info from sinisalo.freenode.net
[22:05] <Kamilion> somebody is not on freenode right now.
[22:05] <dean63> i think his name is tsimon like that
[22:06] <dean63> like digimon
[22:06] <Kamilion> i thought it was simon, like simon.
[22:06] <Kamilion> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[22:06] <dean63> do u think its funny
[22:07] <dean63> do i look like i want a piece of your joke
[22:07] <dean63> do i?
[22:17] <dean63> LOL
[22:17] <dean63> gotcha!!
[22:17] <dean63> isnt it funny
[22:17] <dean63> hahahahaha lolololol
[22:18] <dean63> u mustve dropped ur pizza
[22:21] <dean63> omg its fucking funny
[22:22] <dean63> nobody replied lololol
[22:22] <mpmc> dean63: You're after tsimonq2 ?
[22:22] <dean63> not really
[22:22] <dean63> who is that
[22:22] <mpmc> "i think his name is tsimon like that"
[22:22] <dean63> Kamilion: lolololol
[22:23] <dean63> i dont remember
[22:23] <dean63> mpmc: are you tsimon?
[22:23] <mpmc> Seriously..
[22:24] <dean63> why so serious
[22:24]  * mpmc smells a troll.
[22:24] <krytarik> dean63: Please stop this now.
[22:24] <dean63> ok ok im leaving
[22:41] <Kamilion> :3
[22:41] <Kamilion> Sometimes walking away from the computer ends up being a lot funnier than I assumed it would be
[23:03] <mr-day> morning guys
[23:04] <Kamilion> ohayo
[23:04] <mr-day> ;)
[23:04] <mr-day> btw guys i got issue on my flash firefox plugin
[23:04] <wxl> you haven't heard about the flash vulnerability?
[23:04] <wxl> i wouldn't even bother with it at this point, frankly.
[23:05] <mr-day> wxl: yup i head read about that
[23:05] <mr-day> but i used some site who required to run flash
[23:05] <wxl> then don't use it! XD
[23:05] <wxl> it's on its way out
[23:05] <wxl> they've already called it discontinued
[23:06] <mr-day> my issue it always crash when i right click on their website who required flash
[23:06] <mr-day> wxl: haha yeah
[23:06] <mr-day> so how i can run it perfectly without flash 0,o
[23:07] <wxl> ask the website
[23:07] <wxl> they're doing you a disservice by forcing you to use it
[23:07] <Kamilion> use shumway
[23:07] <mr-day> hah lol
[23:07] <mr-day> Kamilion: what is it
[23:07] <Kamilion> http://mozilla.github.io/shumway/
[23:08] <mr-day> nice will go there
[23:08] <Kamilion> works great for older flash stuff like albinoblacksheep.com's collection of flash3-flash7 swfs
[23:09] <Kamilion> wxl: yeah, practicefusion requires flash, and the hilarious thing is, they were targeting doctors with ipads
[23:09] <mr-day> sounds good ^^ ok will trying it now
[23:09] <Kamilion> to extort extra money out of said doctors; they offered a subscription remote desktop service, purely to allow a single flash app to run on an ipad.
[23:10] <Kamilion> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Practice_Fusion
[23:11]  * Kamilion was the jerk that had to get said subscription remote desktop service working
[23:12] <Kamilion> all so they could have some styled buttons in their forms
[23:15] <mr-day> i had installed shumway
[23:16] <mr-day> btw how to configure it out, is it automatically?
[23:17] <mr-day> i try to open some site required flash but it still crash when i try to right click
[23:17] <wxl> what is this terrible site you're using, mr-day ?
[23:17] <mr-day> wxl: haha it just online photo editor
[23:17] <mr-day> lol
[23:17] <wxl> which one?
[23:17] <dasdsf> krack
[23:18] <mr-day> wxl: https://www.befunky.com this
[23:18] <dasdsf> a group of kid scarer is following me online
[23:18] <mr-day> owhya btw it just only crash on my firefox, all its going ok on my chrome
[23:18] <wxl> dasdsf: are you done or do i need to kick you?
[23:19] <wxl> mr-day: so use chrome, right?
[23:19] <mr-day> wxl: yes and no xD
[23:19] <mr-day> bec chrome look like laggy
[23:24] <mr-day> is mozilla have irc channel ? maybe i want to ask their (sorry OOT btw, but it still related to main question i thought xD)
[23:33] <mr-day> brb restart my firefox