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jibelgood morning05:28
Trevinhomorning jibel06:13
oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers06:19
Trevinhohi oSoMoN06:21
jibelhi Trevinho oSoMoN and all06:27
Trevinhojibel: do you have handy that crash you had on recover from suspend with different monitor settings?06:28
jibelTrevinho, no, and I don't have a multimontor setup at home06:30
didrocksgood morning06:30
Trevinhomorning didrocks06:31
didrockshey Trevinho!06:32
dufluHello all06:34
duflu(and then duflu runs to the post office)06:34
didrockshey duflu06:42
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dufluHmm, I've seen some complaints from people that 'ubuntu-bug' itself crashes and fails to log bugs. Looks like there are a few common reasons: https://errors.ubuntu.com/?package=apport&period=month07:25
didrocksduflu: 16.04 apparently?07:26
dufludidrocks, no the top 4 apport crashes are in 17.10 too07:26
didrockshum, not what I see… "Last seen" is 16.04 for me07:27
didrocksoh, not anymore07:27
didrocksafter a refresh07:27
didrockscache? :/07:27
krashekspresshitting logout/shutdown in gnome-shell topbar most of times results in 10-25 seconds freeze of DE, is there any way I can figure out why is it happening?07:33
duflukrashekspress, 25 seconds happens to be the default dbus timeout. You can usually track it down looking at the log by running 'journalctl'07:35
krashekspressduflu, can you take a look ->> https://pastebin.com/WJ0Tn8Ds07:37
duflukrashekspress, please attach that log in a new bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+filebug07:48
andyrockgood morning!07:49
dufluMorning andyrock07:50
willcookeahoy07:54
didrockshey willcooke !07:54
didrockshappy post-release day :)07:54
willcooke:)07:54
krashekspresshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/172516307:54
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1725163 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell freezes when logout/shutdown" [Undecided,New]07:54
* didrocks is preparing the SRU for our ATI revert fix07:55
willcookedidrocks, is the root cause fixed now?07:55
didrockswillcooke: duflu: interestingly, I got other reports like amano for who the revert fixed it for him as well. I think it really fixed for "all users that were fallbacked to Xorg due to driver/card", could have been huge07:55
dufludidrocks, cool, thanks07:56
didrockswillcooke: yep, upstream, I prepared some packages in a ppa (mutter/gnome-shell) and I got 3 confirmations of their system keeps working07:56
willcookekrashekspress, out of interest, can you try and open cheese and see if you have a similar lag there?07:56
willcookedidrocks, neat, thanks07:56
krashekspresswillcooke, lol, cheese is starting 25 seconds Č=07:59
krashekspress:)07:59
duflu25 seconds08:00
dufluAlways 25 seconds08:00
dufludbus FTW08:00
dufluwhere W is delayed by 25 seconds08:00
krashekspressthat was wild guess, just tested with stopwatch, 33 seconds exactly08:01
willcookeso my guess is that it's related to: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78378908:01
ubot5Gnome bug 783789 in User Accounts "User accounts panel is slow to open" [Normal,Resolved: duplicate]08:01
willcookewhich is related to: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78262708:02
ubot5Gnome bug 782627 in general "Cheese starts slowly" [Normal,Needinfo]08:02
andyrocknice that there is already a fix for the most reported bug08:02
andyrockhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/172040008:02
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1720400 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "/usr/bin/gnome-control-center:11:update_buffers:image_get_buffers:intel_update_image_buffers:intel_update_renderbuffers:intel_prepare_render" [High,In progress]08:02
andyrock:D08:02
krashekspressI also have logitech camera08:03
krashekspressso theoretically if I disable camera, problem should go away08:03
willcookekrashekspress, I think the camera is a red herring, I think, as duflu said, it's probably a dbus issue08:04
willcookebut I think the root cause of the camera, and the users panel, and the slow shutdown is all the same08:04
krashekspressjust for sanity I unpluged the camera, cheese starts instantly, shutdown/logout works also instantly08:05
krashekspresscan I do anything?08:06
didrockshow come the camera can make gnome-session-binary not responding on dbus…08:06
willcookekrashekspress, good detective skills :)  Could you comment to that effect on the bug please?08:06
didrocksapart if it the camera is spamming dbus08:06
didrocksand preventing any other traffic…08:06
jibelwillcooke, not sure it is a red herring. without an external webcam, cheese starts in in 4s, with the external camera it starts in 34s08:07
willcookefair point08:08
didrocksdbus-monitor --session08:08
didrocksdo you have a lot more traffic when you plug those external webcams?08:08
willcookekrashekspress, ^08:08
jibelI don't08:09
didrocks(gdbus monitor doesn't seem to allow global monitoring as the retired dbus-monitor)08:09
didrockshum, so not that08:09
willcookeI can reproduce on my test laptop, but the webcam is not pluggable08:09
willcookethe cheese issue at least08:10
dufluMore likely the app at the other end is hung or crashed for krashekspress ...08:10
dufluOct 20 09:35:59 MegaHulk at-spi2-registr[11456]: Failed to send session response Timeout was reached08:10
dufluOct 20 09:36:23 MegaHulk gsd-power[11521]: Failed to acquire idle monitor proxy: Timeout was reached08:10
didrockswillcooke: you probably have an USB internal webcam08:10
didrocksduflu: well, if gnome-session-binary is hung/crashed, you won't be able to do a lot :p08:10
didrocksif crash -> session is closed08:10
dufluMaybe we need to look for .crash files instead of a hang08:10
didrocksif hung -> maybe??? but how can it unblocks when unplugging the camera08:10
jibeldidrocks, http://paste.ubuntu.com/25777611/ this is the dubs traffic for unplug/plug the camera, launch cheese and wait until it starts08:11
didrocksahhh, inhibit signal08:11
didrocksjibel: hum, where is the camera traffic? can you only take that one08:12
didrocks(without cheese)08:12
didrocks   string "type='signal',sender='org.freedesktop.DBus',interface='org.freedesktop.DBus',member='NameOwnerChanged',path='/org/freedesktop/DBus',arg0='org.gnome.SessionManager'"08:12
didrocksmethod return time=1508486997.823203 sender=org.freedesktop.DBus -> destination=:1.122 serial=13 reply_serial=1108:12
jibeldidrocks, what do you mean?08:12
didrocks-> hum, NameOwnerChanged…08:13
jibeldidrocks, just plug/unplug?08:13
didrocksjibel: just print the traffic with plug/unplug, without cheese running08:13
didrocksyes08:13
jibelk08:13
jibelhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/25777619/08:14
* didrocks tries something which may crash my session, brb if that's the case08:14
krashekspressupdated big08:14
jibeldidrocks, ^08:14
krashekspress*bug08:14
krashekspresshahaha08:14
willcookethanks krashekspress08:14
jibelit crashed :)08:14
willcookelol08:14
krashekspressI should be working, but this is fun :)08:14
didrocksok, confirming, gnome-session launches gnome-session-binary, but even if this latter is killed (or it crashed), your session terminates08:15
didrocksso, it's not a crash of that component at least08:15
didrocksjibel: ok, no traffic for inhibiting or towards gnome-session-binary08:15
jibelinterested by an strace of cheese?08:17
dufludidrocks, FYI those MUTTER env vars actually cause the interesting logging to happen in journalctl. The one in /tmp is not useful08:18
didrocksjibel: sure (I need to jump on the SRU though), but also, mind trying "systemd-inhibit echo foo"08:18
didrocksduflu: well, they could for some case, but yeah, agreed08:18
didrocksjibel: and tell me if "foo" is printed right away08:18
duflualso, you need to remember to look for gdm3 messages before gnome-shell. Sincew gdm3 is also a mutter shell08:19
didrocksor there is a delay08:19
didrocksduflu: hum, gdm3 is launching g-s, no?08:19
dufludidrocks, yes. But gdm3 is also a standalone "shell" of sorts, using mutter08:19
jibeldidrocks, it's printed immediately08:20
dufluCall it a DM then. I don't mind08:20
didrocksduflu: interesting, I didn't see this part of code, I only looked at gdm3 launching gnome-session, which launch gnome-shell as the gdm user in the "gdm" mode08:20
jibeldidrocks, http://people.canonical.com/~j-lallement/junk/cheese.strace08:20
didrocksjibel: which line is it blocking during the delay?08:20
dufludidrocks, I realize when I was doing the font work... it instantly improved the login screen too08:21
didrocksgreat!08:21
vithiriHmm. We've still got a task bar at ubuntu.com today. :)08:21
duflu(but only because Ubuntu introduces more sane defaults for hinting and subpixel)08:21
willcookevithiri, yeah :(  working on getting that fixed08:21
vithiriwillcooke: Ah, sounds great!08:22
dupondjemmm. Upgraded to 17.10, but seems like there is some minor bug that causes me to be unable to save OpenVPN settings in gnome-control-center. When running in verbose mode it gives me 'Invalid setting IPv4'. Works fine with nm-connection-editor. I file a bug against gnome-control-center right?08:28
andyrockdupondje: yes please. In case we can always change the target project later on08:29
jibeldidrocks, nothing is blocking it's repeating the same sequence over and over again08:31
jibeldidrocks, something like http://paste.ubuntu.com/25777697/08:31
didrocksjbicha: I'm removing your restore dep commit in gnome-shell, it doesn't reference any bug, so not suitable for a SRU08:31
jibelminus the inotify call08:31
didrocksjibel: hum, I guess it has some retry logic08:31
didrocksjbicha: please restore it with the correct bug # for a later SRU (don't want to block current SRU on this)08:32
didrocksjibel: have you tried "systemd-inhibit echo foo", does it blocks as well?08:32
didrocks(if so, could be an easier test case)08:32
jibeldidrocks, no it doesn't block08:33
didrocksargh :/08:34
jibeldidrocks, sequences are not identical, it tries different format08:34
jibelfmt.pix={width=1280, height=800 .... changes between each call08:34
jibelmaybe the external webcam has more capabilities than the internal one and it takes much longer to check them08:35
jibeljust a guess08:35
jibeldoesn't sound dbus relaed to m08:35
jibelrelated*08:35
didrockscould be… so we would have 2 different issues08:35
Guest34021Hello, sabdfl is Mark Shuttleworth ?09:22
oSoMoNhttps://askubuntu.com/questions/1020/who-is-sabdfl-what-does-he-do09:26
jibeldowngraded the kernel then cheese and no difference09:28
jibelmore than 30s to launch with an external webcam09:29
dokodidrocks, are there any transitions you would like to start with for b?09:51
didrocksdoko: nothing that I know of at least. gjs was the big one and already in a09:52
jibelI think the cheese issue has nothing to do the other slowness. It's just that cheese spends more time probing the webcam for its capabilities and the external camera support 36 formats against 12 for the internal10:23
willcookethat probing shouldn't take 20+ seconds though10:29
jibelindeed, there is definitely room for optimization10:30
jibelcould be something in gstreamer10:31
willcookeBut then why would disconnecting the web cam also make shutting down quicker10:31
willcookekrashekspress_, when you get a moment, can you open the users panel in control center with and without the camera attached?10:32
jibelno idea, shutting down is fast for me with or without the webcam10:33
jibeljust cheese is slow when the webcam is attached10:33
willcookelemme try and rmmode the webcam driver and see if that fixes opening users for me10:33
krashekspress_willcooke, with camera 12sec, without camera instant10:34
willcookeKamilion, thanks10:35
willcookejibel, yeah, rmmod uvcvideo and users opens instantly for me too10:35
willcookevery very odd10:35
jibelstrange10:35
krashekspress_that is one strange correlation10:35
willcooke:)10:36
krashekspress_smells like spaghetti ;)10:36
jibellet me try on another machine10:38
willcookevithiri, website fixed10:40
willcookedesktoppers ^10:40
jibelwillcooke, ah I've the problem on my other machine10:53
jibelwith the webcam attached the accounts panel takes a while to open10:54
krashekspress_funny thing, I had this problem on 17.04 (and probably 16.10, can't remember), but it wasn't reproducable 100% of the time10:55
krashekspress_now it works like a feature 10/10 :)10:55
jibelkrashekspress_, and you were running unity or gnome-shell?10:55
krashekspress_that problem was only on gnome-shell10:55
krashekspress_doesn't matter what distro10:55
krashekspress_well only other distro I tried on desktop with gnome-shell was Arch10:57
jibelI'm wondering if the account panel is using gstream for the mugshot10:57
krashekspress_and it was suffering from same behavior10:57
willcookejibel, oooooh, interesting10:57
krashekspress_one more thing, I think it didn't affect account panel on old settings, but I can't be sure10:58
jibelwhich would probe the webcam and that would be the same problem than cheese startup time10:58
krashekspress_old settings from 3.24 (i think)10:58
ogra_jibel, it should really only init the cam when actullay taking the mugshot though ...11:02
ogra_*actually11:02
popeyHm, in 17.10 under wayland, can someone (in firefox) go to http://snapcraft.io/atom and click the install button and tell me what happens?11:04
jibelwillcooke, that's a win11:04
jibel0:00:00.952296320 ^[[333m 2276^[[00m 0x562201c56720 ^[[37mDEBUG  ^[[00m ^[[00m                v4l2 gstv4l2object.c:2577:gst_v4l2_object_probe_caps_for_format:<v4l2deviceprovider0>^[[00m Enumerating frame sizes for YUYV11:04
jibel0:00:06.381870733 ^[[333m 2276^[[00m 0x562201c56720 ^[[37mDEBUG  ^[[00m ^[[00m                v4l2 gstv4l2object.c:2602:gst_v4l2_object_probe_caps_for_format:<v4l2deviceprovider0>^[[00m done iterating discrete frame sizes11:04
jibel6s to enumerate the frame sizes with the camera attached11:04
popeyfor me, firefox says "The address wasn't understood" (the snap:// url scheme seems broken11:04
popey(just want to make sure it's not just my pc before I file a bug)11:04
krashekspress_if I can offtopic a bit, why there is no suspend button? Is there some other option I can use when leaving pc for few hours? shutdown is not an option :)11:04
krashekspress_popey, for me too11:05
popeykrashekspress_: hold ALT and press the indicator area, shutdown becomes suspend (pause icon)11:05
jibelkrashekspress_, willcooke what is the bug #?11:05
willcookepopey, confirmed. But xdg-open is working, which is odd.  Please log and ping me the #11:05
popeykk11:05
krashekspress_jibel, 172516311:05
popeywillcooke: file against what? gnome-software?11:05
jibelkrashekspress_, thx11:05
willcookepopey, Firefox I think11:05
popeykk11:05
jibelkrashekspress_, yeah but that's for the shutdown not the user panel11:06
krashekspress_popey, thanks, now I wonder what was wrong with just adding one more icon :)11:06
jibelI can reproduce the user panel issue but not the shutdown11:06
jibelmaybe it's different11:06
popeykrashekspress_: (I agree)11:06
popeyPretty sure elementaryOS add the icon in there. But I never click it, I just slam the lid of the laptop shut, so doesn't affect me so much :)11:07
willcookepopey, FYI Chromium works11:07
krashekspress_jibel, 783789 ?11:07
popeyk11:07
jibelkrashekspress_, thanks11:10
krashekspress_popey, haha, slamming is also not an option on desktop, well maybe in certain moments11:12
popeywillcooke: http://pad.lv/172523811:15
ubot5Launchpad bug 1725238 in firefox (Ubuntu) "Clicking snap:// urls doesn't work " [Undecided,New]11:15
willcookepopey, ta, assigned11:16
oSoMoNwillcooke, I'll take a look11:34
willcookethanks oSoMoN, this used to work, so I think it's a change in the new ffox11:34
vithiriwillcooke: Yes, I noticed that from my phone earlier when visiting it. Awesome. :)11:59
didrocksvithiri: I think you can see that https://www.ubuntu.com/ has now the dock in the correct place! :)12:00
didrockswillcooke: hum, the software center isn't the correct icon, and there is no "apps" button at the bottom (nor it's our default launchers) ^12:07
didrocksI think they cut the button and mess with the sessions :p12:08
willcookegood spot didrocks12:08
willcookepoked on web-team12:12
mdeslaurif only there was a way to actually take a screenshot on the real product! ;)12:14
willcooke:)12:14
didrocksthey probably tried with shutter on wayland ;)12:15
Guest34021Hello12:16
Guest34021What is the codename for Ubuntu 18.04LTS ?12:17
mgedminnot decided yet afaik12:20
Guest34021When will it be decided?12:24
ogra_once mark has an epiphany12:29
Guest34021ok12:31
oSoMoNchrisccoulson, are you looking into distro-patching the fix for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1382323 ?13:17
ubot5Mozilla bug 1382323 in Security: Process Sandboxing "Firefox 54 on Fedora 26 doesn't launch custom protocol handler" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]13:17
kenvandinepopey, do you have the mojo to trigger a rebuild of the corebird snap?14:51
oSoMoNchromium snap promoted from candidate to stable, I'll write about it shortly14:51
kenvandinepopey, i want it to pick up the desktop helpers fix so it works on fedora :)14:51
kenvandineoSoMoN, awesome!14:51
oSoMoNand launching a new build with the latest upstream stable version14:51
kenvandineoSoMoN, ah... time to repeat the process :)14:51
popeykenvandine: good question!14:52
kenvandineit's snapcrafters, so i think you do :)14:52
kenvandineoSoMoN, have you tested your chromium snap on fedora?14:52
popeykenvandine: https://github.com/snapcrafters/corebird/blob/master/snap/snapcraft.yaml14:53
popeythats the yaml, is it actually using the desktop launcher?14:54
kenvandineyes14:54
kenvandine    after: [desktop-gnome-platform]14:54
kenvandineso it should work on fedora after a rebuild14:54
popeyok14:54
popeythe only way I can do that is change the yaml14:54
popeywe don't have a manual trigger option14:55
kenvandinethat's annoying :)14:55
kenvandinebut a no change commit should work right?14:55
popeyyes, I'll try14:55
kenvandineoh wait though14:55
kenvandinei might need you to change something in it14:55
kenvandine :)14:55
popeyhah14:55
popeyyou can :D14:55
kenvandineit isn't autoconnecting and it should14:55
kenvandineoh... i can?14:55
popeyI'll gladly accept a PR :D14:56
kenvandinegreat14:56
kenvandinei'll do that14:56
willcookethanks oSoMoN14:57
* kenvandine tests corebird fix14:59
oSoMoNhttps://plus.google.com/+OlivierTilloy/posts/fC3SUKPZm4w15:01
oSoMoNjbicha, thanks for verifying the SRU for bug #171844615:13
ubot5bug 1718446 in gdm3 (Ubuntu Artful) "Ensure wayland -> xorg fallback to the corresponding session" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/171844615:13
oSoMoNdo I need to ping the release team to have the update promoted from -proposed to -updates?15:14
kenvandineoSoMoN, just tested your chromium snap on fedora, seems to work fine15:15
jbichayes, usual procedure is to wait 7 days before SRUs go to -updates but Release Team grants exceptions some times15:15
kenvandineoSoMoN, but the fonts look terrible.  Not on the rendered sites, but the UI fonts15:15
kenvandinemenus, address bar, etc15:16
jbichakenvandine: what Fedora version?15:17
kenvandine2615:17
popeyoSoMoN: have you tested this on nvidia hardware?15:19
oSoMoNpopey, no, I still don't own nvidia hw15:20
popeyoSoMoN: its broken15:20
oSoMoNdarn15:20
oSoMoNpopey, how much broken?15:20
popeywont start, grey screen15:20
oSoMoNkenvandine, right, most likely because the default system font on fedora is not included in the snap15:20
oSoMoNpopey, that's not a regression compared to the previous stable version of the snap however?15:21
oSoMoNpopey, I need to seriously look into that issue (and try to get my hands on nvidia hw)15:21
popeyindeed, revision 9 is equally broken15:22
oSoMoNkenvandine, I've added a solus-specific font to the snap to get the UI to display correctly on that distro, I could probably do the same for fedora, but this doesn't really scale, what we need is the work jam_esh did on using system-wide fonts in snapd to be released15:22
kenvandineyeah15:23
kenvandineit's fine :)15:23
oSoMoNpopey, not much comfort, but at least it's not a regression so no good reason to revert15:24
jbichait makes sense to add Cantarell as a workaround since nearly all GNOME distros default to that15:24
popeyRight, but this wouldn't fly with a deb15:24
oSoMoNagreed15:24
oSoMoNkenvandine, can you confirm that the default UI font on fedora is cantarell? I can add it to the snap for the next iteration15:25
kenvandineoSoMoN, checking15:29
didrocksyeah, Cantarell is default fedora font15:31
didrocks(actually, default GNOME font, which is now default fedora one)15:31
oSoMoNack, thanks15:31
oSoMoNadding it to the snap15:31
popeyAre we adding every distro default font? :)15:31
kenvandineit is15:31
oSoMoNpopey, only distros we care about I guess :)15:32
oSoMoNI mean I won't go over all supported distros and add their fonts one by one, but if I get a report and it's easy enough to fix by simply adding a stage package, I don't mind15:33
oSoMoNthe solus font was a fun one, because it's not available as a deb, so I'm fetching the solus package and unpacking it in the right place15:34
oSoMoNgood that font files are architecture-independent :)15:34
* popey wonders what font Pop!?!?!_OS uses.15:35
kenvandinei've added some of those to the gnome platform snap, so not everyone needs too15:35
oSoMoNthe chromium snap is not using the gnome platform snap though15:36
kenvandineright15:36
oSoMoNpopey, quick question re-nvidia brokenness: does it work any better with a more recent snapd (i.e. with the core snap from the candidate or edge channel) by any chance?15:38
kenvandineso confusing... corebird still won't autoconnect to the platform snap15:39
kenvandineso weird15:39
kenvandinepopey, https://github.com/snapcrafters/corebird/pull/1415:41
kenvandinemaybe installing it from the store will work better :)15:41
* kenvandine is out of ideas15:42
popeymerged15:43
kenvandinepopey, thx15:43
kenvandinehttps://github.com/system76/pop-gtk-theme#recommendations15:43
kenvandinetheir fonts are Fira and Roboto15:43
oSoMoNfonts-firacode appears to be monospace, so I guess only roboto would be needed to get the UI to display properly?15:49
didrockswell, parts of some apps UI could force monospace15:51
oSoMoNI don't think chromium does, but I can add firacode just for safety, the size overhead will be minimal compared to the CJK fonts we ship already15:54
oSoMoNInstalled-Size: 1 559 kB15:54
oSoMoNshould be fine15:54
didrocksyeah, I don't know what it's using if some webfonts are not available and trying to use monospace, so better to be safe, as you told, the size isn't relevant15:55
popeykenvandine: corebird finished building and should be in edge16:05
oSoMoNadded, the next automatic build will have cantarell, fira and roboto16:06
oSoMoNthe chromium snap is quickly becoming a fonts-collection snap16:06
willcookeoSoMoN, once jamesh's font fixes land in snapd that should go away \o/16:16
* oSoMoN EOW, have a great week-end everyone!16:30
kenvandineoSoMoN, have a great weekend16:35
willcookeright, I'm calling it a day as well.  Night all16:55
willcookehave a great weekend, lots to do next week ;)16:55
mhall119congrats on the big release everyone!18:57

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