[02:44] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[02:44] <lotuspsychje> hows the artful night been?
[02:47] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: \o artful, so far smooth - no real new issues identified :)
[02:48] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om nice2hear
[02:50] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Been on pins, awaiting the hammer to fall . No impact to this time :)
[02:52] <lotuspsychje> great
[02:52] <lotuspsychje> my artful performs best on xorg
[02:55] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Seen a few incidences where xorg reversion was recommended :(
[02:56] <lotuspsychje> ok tnx
[03:18] <lotuspsychje> welcome bordy
[03:18] <lotuspsychje> oerheks: can you paste that link from dax again here
[03:18] <lotuspsychje> from yesterday
[03:18] <bordy> Evenin folks
[03:19] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/ReleaseNotes/
[03:19] <oerheks> err https://didrocks.fr/ ?
[03:19] <lotuspsychje> didrocks yeah
[03:19] <lotuspsychje> take a look at that Bashing-om
[03:20] <lotuspsychje> the upgrade to artfull page
[03:21] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: look'n .
[03:22] <oerheks> and from the releasenotes, to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_Wayland_problems#Known_issues.2C_frequent_complaints.2C_fundamental_changes
[03:22] <oerheks> gives valuable information too
[03:22] <oerheks> s Ctrl+Alt+Shift+R keyboard shortcut to start video recording of the whole desktop , and lands in ~/Videos
[03:24] <lotuspsychje> cool
[03:51] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: oerheks : I say again ^^ We have a lot to learn :D
[03:52] <lotuspsychje> yeah lil complicated on wayland..
[04:02] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Developers are throwing a lot of changes at us - fast ! systemd, netwworking, wayland ( GUI graphics ), logging ......... ouch !
[04:08] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[04:54] <Guy1524> hey guys, theoretically, would it be possible to upgrade an Ubuntu 4.10 installation to 17.10, and if so, how would it differ from a fresh install
[04:54] <lotuspsychje> !eolupgrade
[04:55] <lotuspsychje> Guy1524: fresh install is very recommended
[04:55] <Guy1524> I don't actually have 4.10 installed, I am just curious, because it would be interesting
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> Guy1524: why is an eol version interesting?
[04:57] <Guy1524> just to see how robust the upgrade system is in Ubuntu
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> Guy1524: check the eolupgrade link
[04:58] <Guy1524> k
[06:01] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> hey lordievader
[06:12] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje
[06:12] <lordievader> How are you today?
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> great here
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> almost having breakfast
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> its artful news all over
[06:18] <lordievader> I'm sure it is.
[06:34] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: IRT Cosec__  ' sudo find / -name "NVIDIA-Linux-*" ' there is a uninstall script .
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> cool
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:12] <oerheks> Happy 13th Birthday, Ubuntu!
[13:13] <oerheks> my lucky number
[13:14] <pauljw> hi BluesKaj, everyone.
[13:15] <oerheks> get 10% off XPS 13 developer edition w/the code "SAVE10XPS" til 7amCT 10/26
[13:16] <pauljw> that's nice, but they're still too expensive for me.
[13:31] <BluesKaj> Hi pauljw
[13:31] <pauljw> :)
[13:34] <BluesKaj> already have a decent laptop, and 13" screen for that kind of money is too expensive, despite the portability factor
[13:34] <BluesKaj> and you're still paying for useless W10 on top
[13:35]  * BluesKaj is in a crirtical mood this morning ...pissed off at a few things
[13:38] <BluesKaj> BBl
[13:43] <pauljw> :(
[15:48] <daftykins> i love my XPS 13 (:
[15:53] <nicomachus> too small for me.
[15:53] <nicomachus> screens should be 15+
[15:53] <nicomachus> no smaller
[15:54] <daftykins> i prefer portability above all else
[15:54] <daftykins> well, battery life is the true priority
[16:16] <nicomachus> 15 inch screen is portable.
[16:17] <daftykins> not to me as a cyclist
[17:19] <oerheks> 4 inch and full hd  .. wait
[17:57] <nicomachus> This guy basalt is having some issues with the ath10k driver if anyone wants to dive into kernel stuff.
[18:10] <daftykins> ;D
[18:10] <daftykins> 'get a new one'
[18:11] <daftykins> (kernel)
[18:15] <TJ-> We've got a major issue for Nvidia users coming up as soon as Ubuntu adopts v4.14 kernel. A key kernel symbol in the memory-manager has been made GPL-only, and it breaks the nvidia (and other out-of-tree non-GPL module) builds entirely
[18:17] <nicomachus> oh great
[18:18] <TJ-> In this current v4.14 development round AMD introduced Secure Memory Encryption facilities and enabled it by default to support their new CPU facilities. Because the memory-management functions are core to almost all drivers it's caused a new GPL-only symbol, sme_me_mask, to be imported into almost all modules. As a result, nvidia drivers fail to modpost when being linked
[18:19] <TJ-> Got a response from the kernel's MM sub-system maintainer today after reporting this last weekend with the RC2 build. They won't change it (I don't blame them). However, unless the SME functions are disabled entirely - which means AMD devices with SME cannot make use of it - the generic Ubuntu kernels will fail with proprietary drivers
[18:20] <nicomachus> So is this just an Ubuntu issue or going to be linux-wide?
[18:21] <TJ-> Linux wide if kernels are built with SME enabled to support AMD devices. For people/distros that build CPU-specific kernels it won't be an issue, but for distros like Debian and Ubuntu RedHat etc., it'll be an issue because we build a single kernel that is capable of supporting all devices
[18:22] <TJ-> The CONFIG enables it by default in mainline too, so anyone trying mainline kernels (as I do and discovered it) will hit this
[20:29] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[20:30] <nicomachus> o/
[20:30] <daftykins> wb o/
[20:31] <Bashing-om> pauljw: \o
[20:33] <pauljw> :)
[20:34] <nicomachus> !recs
[22:38] <nacc> what in the actual f
[22:38] <nacc> sorry for the language
[22:39] <nacc> but serious, connorkmc must be trolling right?
[22:40] <pauljw> seems like it to me, nacc
[22:40]  * nacc should know better, but I get so much madder at people wasting my time on a Friday
[22:41] <nacc> on a happier note, git-ubuntu 0.4 released, and a test snap branch created that has the ability to take an upstream fix, cherry-pick it and make a quilt patch out of it for testing (incl. building a .deb)
[22:41] <pauljw> :)
[22:42] <pauljw> that's pretty nice
[22:43] <nacc> i'm sure it will break for some cases, but it should help a lot of people learn to contribute
[22:43] <nacc> and eventually get us to a git-only workflow
[22:43] <nacc> hopefully we'll start importing all packages in the next month or so