| teddy-dbear | Morning peoples, critters and everything else | 09:52 |
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| waltman | Do I want to upgrade to artful today? | 13:17 |
| waltman | I'm a bit concerned about the printer issue in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/ReleaseNotes | 13:34 |
| pleia2 | oh yuck | 13:38 |
| waltman | I'm not sure if that will affect me | 13:43 |
| waltman | And waiting for the systemd folks to decide whose fault it is could take awhile. | 13:44 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 13:44 |
| * waltman decides to go for it. | 13:51 | |
| jedijf | report back with pencil and paper | 13:51 |
| waltman | jedijf: It's a shame I don't have my ham license! | 14:04 |
| pleia2 | waltman: ugh, yeah, got to the end of that printer bug where I see them forward it upstream to systemd /o\ | 14:14 |
| pleia2 | I do find them to be responsive to bug reports, just don't always have the answer I want to hear | 14:14 |
| Pennth | waltman: https://tcf.pages.tcnj.edu/ should have a ham cram again | 14:14 |
| Pennth | re Artful, there's apparently an Nvidia issue so I don't plan to upgrade the desktop until 18.04. Laptop booted back into Unity :} | 14:16 |
| waltman | oh, that would be bad. | 14:17 |
| waltman | even if I'm using the closed-source driver? | 14:19 |
| Pennth | Not sure, I haven't gone looking for the details, just repeating omgubuntu | 14:19 |
| Pennth | had a migraine yesterday afternoon, so once I got home all I did was take naprosyn and benadryl and collapse | 14:21 |
| waltman | omgbuntu? | 14:24 |
| waltman | never mind, just found it. | 14:25 |
| waltman | Seems like a cool site | 14:27 |
| Pennth | yeah, they and webupd8.org are good sources for ubuntu news | 14:29 |
| Pennth | or webupd8 was, because they haven't had any new posts since August :/ | 14:29 |
| waltman | Still unpacking packages. | 14:34 |
| waltman | I haven't even rebooted yet, but someone the install unmapped my capslock->ctrl setting. | 14:44 |
| waltman | OK, time to reboot. Wish me luck! | 14:53 |
| Pennth | lick! | 14:54 |
| Pennth | s/lick/luck/ <face color="red" /> | 14:54 |
| waltman | Printing works. Nvidia driver works. New window manger: will take some getting used to. | 15:12 |
| Pennth | ok good. | 15:27 |
| Pennth | I'm actually used to gnome from having it at work on the Fedora boxen. Had to add some Unity shortcuts (Ctrl-Alt-T) to make it worth using. Did Ubuntu include those by default? | 15:28 |
| waltman | I somehow had the old desktop setup in a 2x2 grid. Doesn't seem possible now without an extension. | 15:31 |
| Pennth | Oh, the vertical workspace thing. Yeah, I miss that | 15:32 |
| waltman | You get 3 desktops in a vertical setup. You can't add a 4th without running gnome-tweak-tool. | 15:32 |
| waltman | Having 3 desktops without any obvious way to add a 4th seems like a terrible design decision to me. | 15:33 |
| Pennth | No, you get additional ones automatically by having a window open on the bottom-most. It adds a blank, cf andriod panels | 15:33 |
| waltman | Wait, every time you add one on the nth screen, it adds an n+1st? | 15:33 |
| Pennth | But having to scroll vertically is a stupid pita and bad design decision for a desktop | 15:33 |
| Pennth | yes | 15:33 |
| waltman | I liked my grid! | 15:34 |
| waltman | I was really confused where that 3rd window came from. | 15:34 |
| Pennth | Yeah, I mean there are four arrow keys for a good reason! | 15:34 |
| waltman | on macOS I can use ctrl-1, ctrl-2, ctrl-3, etc to switch between desktops. | 15:35 |
| Pennth | oh, I've always used ctrl-alt-arrow | 15:35 |
| waltman | tor is also broken, but I don't feel like trying to fix that atm. | 15:35 |
| waltman | Another odd thing. Sometimes when I start an application from the command line, the window appears partially behind my terminal. Is there a setting to have them always appear on top? | 15:46 |
| waltman | Apparently the only way is to drill down 6 levels in dconf-editor. Is this a joke? | 15:57 |
| waltman | Say what you want about Unity, but at least for me it mostly stayed out of my way. Gnome seems to actively have it out for me. | 16:06 |
| jedijf | lol opposite world | 17:38 |
| jedijf | i want UNITY back says waltman | 17:38 |
| jedijf | let's see, we have mate, cinnamon.....time for oregano? legacy_unity | 17:40 |
| teddy-dbear | Xubuntu | 17:56 |
| waltman | I had no strong opinions on unity | 18:21 |
| waltman | I basically just use my window manager to manage a few terminal windows and chrome. | 18:21 |
| waltman | I save all my GUI stuff for the mac. On Linux I'm all about the command line. | 18:22 |
| waltman | I just installed ubuntu a few years ago when Unity was already standard. I'd experimented with gnome and kde a little years ago, but for a long time I'd just used windowmaker debian. | 19:22 |
| waltman | My only real issue with unity was fonts, but I finally found a solution that worked ok for me. | 19:23 |
| waltman | 18.04 should be bashful bear | 19:24 |
| waltman | I posted my issue to the forums, but so far no response. | 19:25 |
| waltman | Speaking of updates, Apple still hasn't provided one for KRACK on any of its platforms. | 19:46 |
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| waltman | Turns out it's a *feature*! https://major.io/2015/07/06/allow-new-windows-to-steal-focus-in-gnome-3/ | 21:32 |
| waltman | More fun -- I don't have a kvm, so when I wanted to work on my mac this afternoon on the big monitor, I swapped over the keyboard and monitor connection. When I came back just now, it had killed my entire X session! | 21:42 |
| jthan | waltman: You could use synergy | 22:11 |
| waltman | Hmm, maybe. Or maybe Gnome could just not kill my entire session. | 22:16 |
| waltman | That tweak didn't work for me btw, and it's not clear to me how I'm supposed to install third-party extensions. | 22:16 |
| waltman | Also unclear to me is how much of this mess is stock gnome vs changes ubuntu's made. | 22:17 |
| jthan | I can verify that on my stock gnome3 if I launch something from the terminal it jumps to front. | 22:17 |
| jthan | that's on Arch | 22:18 |
| waltman | for everything? | 22:18 |
| jthan | I only tried a few things, but I couldn't find an exception | 22:18 |
| jthan | I tried gedit (a gnome application), spotify, and the qt interface for pass to see if qt vs. gtk made a difference | 22:18 |
| waltman | what does it say when you run "gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences focus-new-windows"? | 22:20 |
| jthan | 'smart' | 22:21 |
| waltman | huh. | 22:21 |
| jthan | jonathan@demasi:~$ gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences focus-new-windows | 22:21 |
| jthan | 'smart' | 22:21 |
| waltman | Maybe someone in arch fixed it? | 22:21 |
| waltman | I changed it from 'smart' to 'strict' at the recommendation of that page, but it didn't help. | 22:22 |
| jthan | did you log out and back in? | 22:22 |
| waltman | no. | 22:22 |
| jthan | Might be a cached setting set at login | 22:22 |
| waltman | that page said it would take effect immediately. | 22:22 |
| waltman | also with systemd, logging out has a tendency to kill things | 22:22 |
| waltman | like my tmux session | 22:23 |
| waltman | but who knows? it seems like I was logged out when I disconnected my monitor. | 22:23 |
| jthan | seems like people are reporting issues with more than one display | 22:23 |
| jthan | do you have just one monitor? | 22:24 |
| waltman | under unity it never cared if I unplugged my monitor | 22:24 |
| waltman | Yes. And sometimes I've got 0 monitors plugged in. | 22:24 |
| waltman | like this afternoon. | 22:24 |
| waltman | I may very well be switching to a different wm, because I really hate this. | 22:25 |
| r00t^2 | gnome3's working for me fine when i add/remove an additional display, power on/off add'l display, etc. i'm willing to bet this is an ubuntu thing; one of the reasons i didn't stick with it very long is they tend to overpatch | 22:25 |
| jthan | i3wm is the way to go | 22:25 |
| waltman | I don't want tiles. I just want the windows I create to stay where they are, and to be on top and with focus when I create them. | 22:26 |
| waltman | like every other wm I've ever used in 25+ years of using gui operating systems. | 22:27 |
| waltman | I mean, I'm sure I could eventually tweak it to a state when I'm ok with it, but the default settings just seem idiotic. | 22:28 |
| waltman | Anyhow, I need to run out. Sorry for all my whining. | 22:28 |
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