[00:01] <th34lch3m1st> Sorry, connection problem...
[00:02] <th34lch3m1st> https://paste.ubuntu.com/25775827/
[00:03] <th34lch3m1st> I don't get what's wrong...
[00:03] <Bashing-om> th34lch3m1st: Is not the syntax " rsync -nrv --include="Full_path"  ?
[00:03] <oerheks> no no use $USER, not 'user'
[00:04] <oerheks> capital leters
[00:04] <oerheks> so that script run under all users
[00:05] <oerheks> else use your true username, ofcourse
[00:05] <oerheks> 'whoami' in tty will tell
[00:06] <th34lch3m1st> oerheks yes, I use my username but still doesn't work....
[00:07] <th34lch3m1st> so, I don't need a source path, --include-from works like a source, right?
[00:07] <th34lch3m1st> or nto?
[00:07] <th34lch3m1st> or not?
[00:09] <Sven_vB> I'm trying to install Xenial from a live USB. when I try to install openssh, apt fails: "Aborted (core dumped)¶ Fetched 43.8 MB in 1min 4s (678 kB/s)¶ Reading package lists...¶ E: Problem executing scripts APT::Update::Post-Invoke-Success 'if /usr/bin/test -w /var/cache/app-info -a -e /usr/bin/appstreamcli; then appstreamcli refresh > /dev/null; fi'¶ E: Sub-process returned an error code" – I temporarily fixed it by ren
[00:09] <Sven_vB> aming /usr/bin/appstreamcli , should I make this the default for my installer helper program or is there a better fix?
[00:11] <acme> hey
[00:11] <oerheks> th34lch3m1st, good question, this post says use" --files-from=_filename" https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/174674/rsync-a-list-of-directories-with-absolute-path-in-text-file
[00:11] <acme> any way to add ahci modules to a diskless install? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DisklessUbuntuHowto
[00:12] <oerheks> th34lch3m1st, then you don't need the exclude file
[00:22] <shakermaker> 16.04.3 lts. recently my wired connected mouse cursor will be super fast after system wakes. i can slow it down using xinput but I am wondering the root cause. anyone know.
[00:22] <luxio> is it safe to uninstall sudo? I don't like it
[00:23] <kostkon> luxio, for real?
[00:23] <luxio> yea
[00:23] <kostkon> luxio, right
[00:23] <luxio> ?
[00:24] <JohnnyR030T> hi peeps :)
[00:24] <luxio> hi
[00:25] <JohnnyR030T> I'm making my 17.10 usb now :)
[00:25] <JohnnyR030T> Very excited to try it out
[00:26] <debsan> luxio, you can remove everyone from /etc/sudoers
[00:26] <JohnnyR030T> It's kinda funny that I'm using the Fedora Media Writer to make my Ubuntu Bootable USB.. lol
[00:26] <luxio> can I uninstall it though?
[00:27] <luxio> if it's effectively useless after I do that it just feels like bloat
[00:27] <kostkon> JohnnyR030T, well you need to use a image write app somehow
[00:27] <kostkon> writer*
[00:27] <JohnnyR030T> @kostkon, yep. And I gotta say their works pretty well :)
[00:33] <debsan> luxio, I wouldn't recommend it. Did you set a root account ? This probably may help https://askubuntu.com/questions/434525/can-sudo-be-reinstalled-after-being-removed
[00:46] <th34lch3m1st> this works: rsync -auv --delete ---exclude=Desktop/pictures Desktop .config .font /media/myname/mydisk/backup/......
[00:47] <th34lch3m1st> --include-from was overengineering for my case...
[00:49] <JohnnyR030T> And I'm on Ubuntu 17.10 ladies and gentlemen. :)
[00:50] <Bashing-om> th34lch3m1st: :) Pleased to see the working example .
[00:53] <th34lch3m1st> Bashing-om yes, thanks for hints
[00:59] <JohnnyR030T> ccccccevjjtecfgtfbhehdbigudjnuldcnihctberdvv
[01:01] <FurretUber> Hi, I have just upgraded my notebook from Xubuntu 17.04 to Xubuntu 17.10. Apparently it's working fine, but there are dmesg messages with problems: https://pastebin.com/7FA69dme
[01:03] <FurretUber> It's really repeating every two minutes
[01:04] <FurretUber> Regarding the upgrade, I upgraded using the terminal (tty1) and one package made the upgrade stop, then I had to use a sudo apt upgrade to finish
[01:05] <dbclk> anyone can assist? -> https://gist.github.com/dclarke-modus/77d28706c7e439d42478f0755b0b6d31
[01:05] <FurretUber> Ok, the package that caused the problem was cracklib-runtime
[01:07] <dbclk> I tried most of the stuff on the net and still doesn't work. Any ideas?
[01:09] <Bashing-om> FurretUber: OK .. how did you determine  as I could not see ... ?
[01:10] <FurretUber> That the system is working? I'm using it now and it appears OK. About the dmesg message is because it is repeating
[01:10] <FurretUber> Ah, about the cracklib
[01:11] <FurretUber> It's because there was a error and it spammed a error message that it could not create the apport
[01:11] <FurretUber> And it's the only file at /var/crash
[01:11] <FurretUber> I could not send it before
[01:11] <FurretUber> Because I was not using graphical interface
[01:12] <FurretUber> I will try to send it now
[01:14] <Bashing-om> FurretUber: I was just curious and wanted to learn how you determined that cracklib was at fault :)
[01:15] <Bashing-om> dbclk: Mixing repositories . I do not know that there is much to help this situation .
[01:16] <dbclk> Bashing-om: not sure what you mean..this is the commands I'm running -> https://gist.github.com/dclarke-modus/d88f3989b532024d0f816a9f82e9189a
[01:17] <sirru5h> Hello Everyone
[01:17] <Bashing-om> dbclk: UNgood: "  http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu trusty InRelease ---- http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-updates InRelease " .
[01:18] <dbclk> hmm...ok let me try that repo
[01:19] <dbclk> what's the difference between trusty and xenial-updates Bashing-om ?
[01:19] <hggdh> dbclk: different releases
[01:20] <Bashing-om> dbclk: The thing is that " sudo add-apt-repository 'deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu trusty universe" on xenial . Rge seoendencies will ALL be different . and really really mess up the system beyond easy repair :(
[01:20] <dbclk> ok
[01:20] <Bashing-om> the dependencies*
[01:32] <dbclk> Bashing-om: Xenial doesn't have mysql-server-5.6
[01:32] <dbclk> it has mysql 5.7 but, I can't upgrade
[01:32] <dbclk> any ideas?
[01:34] <FurretUber> About the dmesg messages my system is showing ( https://pastebin.com/7FA69dme ) should I report against linux-firmware?
[01:34] <Bashing-om> dbclk: Sorry, no . If mysql 5.7 is not doable for your use case, I do not have the experience to advise else .
[01:35] <dbclk> ok
[02:06] <Guest54081> Hey all — in this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq under the heading "Example of making a swap file", there's a lot of instructions around a file "1GiB.swap", and then one of the commands is: "echo '/mnt/4GiB.swap swap swap defaults 0 0' | sudo tee -a /etc/fstab"
[02:07] <Guest54081> Am I correct in assuming that's a typo, and it should be "echo '/mnt/1GiB.swap swap swap defaults 0 0' | sudo tee -a /etc/fstab" instead?
[02:07] <Guest54081> (about halfway down the page)
[02:14] <tgm4883> Guest54081: I believe you're correct. No way to mount a 4GiB swap file if it doesn't exist
[02:15] <Guest54081> tgm4883 - thanks, that's what I assumed. Interestingly, in the process of asking the question, my swap memory took affect without having to run that command (or any of the subsequent ones)
[02:16] <Guest54081> didn't have to restart or anything
[02:17] <demophobia> Can 32 bit ubuntu run 64 bit chrome? https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/index.html
[02:19] <Bashing-om> demophobia: No . while 32 bit can run on 64 bit ,,, the oposite of 64 on 32 is not possible .
[02:20] <ArMedic> Nice job on 17.10 guys. It looks great!
[02:20] <ubone> hi i just used the mini.iso to install but at the end the MBR was written to /dev/sdb because /dev/sda was the usb stick/install iso, now after reboot the root file system device can't be found, what to do?
[02:21] <ubone> wrong channel sorry
[02:24] <deaninous> i
[02:24] <demophobia> Bashing-om, right ... So is Google simply not interested in 32-bit chrome? Must I use chromium?
[02:24] <demophobia> or is Firefox secure such that Chrome is not needed for more security?
[02:24] <demophobia> i'm looking to protect my gmail account, etc
[02:25] <deaninous> mine hs already been cmped
[02:25] <sirru5h> Hey guys has anyone here installed java 8/9 jdk
[02:25] <phelix> Could anyone help me install java 8? I am getting weird errors and don't know what i am possibly doing wrong.
[02:25] <deaninous> i did jumped through some loops. seems like a dream
[02:26] <phelix> Keeps telling me download failed
[02:26] <FurretUber> Are you using the WebUpd8 PPA?
[02:26] <FurretUber> It didn't work to me. I had to download the RPM and use alien to install Java
[02:26] <phelix> FurretUber, yes
[02:27] <sirru5h> FurretUber, I tried that no luck here either
[02:27] <sirru5h> FurretUber, that is an awesome idea
[02:27] <sirru5h> I'm gonna try that
[02:28] <sirru5h> FurretUber, I'll tell ya how it does
[02:28] <Bashing-om> demophobia: Google droped all 32 bit support some time ago .
[02:32] <luxio> how do I decide whether or not I should use ubuntu?
[02:33] <demophobia> luxio, think about your goals and whether the software helps you meet them.
[02:34] <Bashing-om> kurros: Make up a liveUSB and see if it meets your expectations .
[02:44] <ArMedic> I'm having trouble getting OpenVpn to work on 17.10 however.
[02:45] <ArMedic> Error: The plugin does not support import capability.
[02:48] <phelix> Anyone able to help me get Java installed? It keeps telling me download failed
[02:49] <Pinkamena_D> Can anyone recommend and good book or preferably online tutorial for learning c++ when already very familiar with programming concepts and higher level languages?
[02:54] <deaninous> There is a C++ class on coursera for c programmers
[02:54] <Crazyzurfer> Hello, im trying to boot ubuntu 17.10 from usb and gets stuck at lightdm
[02:56] <FurretUber> To download and install Java (ignoring WebUpd8 as it is not working now): https://www.java.com/pt_BR/download/linux_manual.jsp Download the RPM, then use alien to convert the package from RPM to DEB, then install the DEB
[02:57] <krytarik> Any of such is completely unsupported here btw.
[02:58] <ArMedic> anyone else been able to get openvpn to work on 17.10?
[03:01] <ArMedic> Nevermind I got it.  network-manager-openvpn-gnome wasn't installed.
[03:03] <rfleming|home> Greetings
[03:03] <rfleming|home> I've mucked my DNS settings somehow, need some advice on fixing it
[03:04] <rfleming|home> Every reboot, /etc/resolv.conf points to 127.0.0.1 and nothing resolves... yet NetworkManager shows the right DNS servers
[03:04] <rfleming|home> temporarily I'm modifying resolv.conf so I can get onto the web, but I don't know how to fix
[03:05] <oerheks> with networkmanager enabled, don't fix resolv.conf
[03:05] <rfleming|home> yes, I know... but I don't know how to fix without using resolv.conf
[03:07] <rfleming|home> oerheks, DNS shows 'Automatic' and in Details shows the right server
[03:07] <oerheks> put them in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base ? https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/128220/how-do-i-set-my-dns-when-resolv-conf-is-being-overwritten
[03:07] <oerheks> not sure this is still valid for17.10 ..
[03:07] <rfleming|home> this is on an upgrade from 17.04 to 17.10
[03:07] <Sveta`> rfleming|home: the issue started happening after an upgrade, or it happens every time?
[03:08] <Sveta`> ok
[03:09] <Sveta`> rfleming|home: does your /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf have any lines with 'dns' in them?
[03:10] <rfleming|home> Sveta`, nope.
[03:11] <rfleming|home> three sections, main, ifupdown and device
[03:11] <rfleming|home> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25776664/
[03:12] <phelix> Anyone able to help me get Java installed? It keeps telling me download failed? I am not sure why this is happening
[03:12] <rfleming|home> phelix, can you paste the error?
[03:13] <rfleming|home> pastebin the error
[03:13] <phelix> rfleming,  https://pastebin.com/pQ8SxG9q
[03:15] <oerheks> webupd8 gives 8u144 .. https://launchpad.net/~webupd8team/+archive/ubuntu/java
[03:16] <rfleming|home> was just going to mention that
[03:16] <phelix> There something wrong with oracle?
[03:16] <rfleming|home> phelix, yes and no... they've pulled the download for 8u60
[03:16] <alfian> Hello
[03:16] <Bashing-om> rfleming|home: My 16.04 file for your considertion: http://termbin.com/wm4s .
[03:16] <oerheks> how did you get that 8u60 ?
[03:16] <Sveta`> rfleming|home: do you have a /etc/systemd/resolved.conf file?
[03:17] <leptone> Is anyone seeing this message?
[03:17] <Sveta`> leptone: yes
[03:17] <leptone> thank you
[03:17] <phelix> I am not sure,. I have just been using the apt-get install command and added the correct ppa
[03:17] <bazhang> leptone, whats the ubuntu issue
[03:17] <vin3> out?
[03:17] <bazhang> vin3 17.10 is out
[03:17] <Sveta`> hello alfian
[03:17] <phelix> Is there any other way to get this installed? Tried to do it manually but doesn't seem to be working either.
[03:18] <rfleming|home> phelix, the best place I know for simple Oracle java is the WebUpd8 team
[03:18] <oerheks> phelix, on what ubuntu version exactly?
[03:18] <rfleming|home> the ppa is ppa:webupd8team/java
[03:18] <rfleming|home> OK, I'm going to reboot.  brb
[03:18] <phelix> 16.04 LTS
[03:18] <phelix> Yes, that is the ppa that I have added
[03:20] <vin3> hy guys, how can I update to 17.10 from 17.10 beta 2?
[03:20] <vin3> sorry... upgrade
[03:20] <bazhang> !final | vin3
[03:21] <oerheks> i read more complaints about that ppa + 16.04 .. did you update before installing?
[03:21] <vin3> ty baz
[03:21] <bazhang> np
[03:21] <rfleming|home> yeah, no
[03:21] <rfleming|home> no joy
[03:22] <phelix> rfleming|home, you have any ideas how I can get this installed?
[03:22] <phelix> same error trying to get oracle-java9-installer
[03:22] <rfleming|home> what version of ubuntu?
[03:22] <phelix> 16.04 LTS
[03:23] <rfleming|home> what PPA are you using?
[03:23] <phelix> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:webupd8team/java
[03:23] <rfleming|home> what's the line read in the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/webupdate file?
[03:23] <oerheks> odd, for xenial you would get the same 8u144 .. https://launchpad.net/~webupd8team/+archive/ubuntu/java?field.series_filter=xenial
[03:23] <alfian> excuse me, i have some questions
[03:23] <rfleming|home> webupd8team file
[03:23] <rfleming|home> whatever
[03:24] <rfleming|home> alfian, query away
[03:24] <alfian> can i make a chat server. What should I do?
[03:24] <phelix> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/java/ubuntu xenial main
[03:24] <phelix> this is hte file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/webupd8team-ubuntu-java-xenial.list
[03:24] <oerheks> alfian, see the wiki https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/irc-server.html
[03:25] <rfleming|home> phelix, try sudo apt remove oracle-java* --purge --auto-remove
[03:25] <oerheks> alfian, or make your own channel here @ Freenode
[03:25] <phelix> I have recently removed it
[03:25] <phelix> so its not there anymore
[03:26] <rfleming|home> yeah, but this is purging everything
[03:26] <rfleming|home> what other ppa do you have?
[03:26] <phelix> zsh: no matches found: oracle-java*
[03:26] <phelix> that is the only one for java
[03:27] <alfian> thanks for your help :D
[03:27] <rfleming|home> phelix, ok, make sure you sudo apt update
[03:27] <phelix> i have
[03:28] <rfleming|home> then pastebin the result of apt-cache policy oracle-java9-jre
[03:28] <phelix> same error with java8 and java9
[03:28] <Sveta`> rfleming|home: I asked you before your reboot, do you have a /etc/systemd/resolved.conf file?
[03:28] <oerheks> phelix, run updates again, sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade # where full-upgrade might give newer packages, that are held back
[03:28] <rfleming|home> Sveta`, I didn't see your message
[03:28] <rfleming|home> let me look
[03:28] <phelix> rfleming|home, https://pastebin.com/TMGCzVUy
[03:28] <Sveta`> yes I thought so that you missed it
[03:28] <rfleming|home> Sveta`, yes, I do
[03:29] <vin3> how can I know if the new 17.10 is installed?
[03:29] <rfleming|home> and a resolved.conf.back and resolved.conf.dpkg-old
[03:29] <Sveta`> is DNSSEC mentioned in that file?
[03:29] <rfleming|home> vin3, cat /etc/issue
[03:29] <vin3> ty
[03:29] <alcyonv647> ewe
[03:29] <Sveta`> Hi alcyonv647.
[03:29] <rfleming|home> everything is commented out in resolved.conf
[03:30] <rfleming|home> resolved.conf.dpkg-old has two lines, DNS and FallbackDNS
[03:30] <rfleming|home> DNS points to 127.0.1.1
[03:30] <Sveta`> rfleming|home: you could add `DNSSEC=off` to resolved.conf and reboot. the resolved.conf.dpkg-old is a backup, the program does not read it currently
[03:30] <phelix> oerheks, it gave me that download failed again when running sudo apt full-upgrade
[03:30] <vin3> "Ubuntu 17.10 \n \l"      is that correct?
[03:30] <Sveta`> rfleming|home: (without the backticks)
[03:30] <Sveta`> vin3: yes it is
[03:31] <vin3> ty
[03:31] <alcyonv647> hi
[03:31] <rfleming|home> Sveta`, everything in resolved.conf is commented out
[03:32] <rfleming|home> Sveta`, there's #DNSSEC=no
[03:33] <Sveta`> rfleming|home: you could add DNSSEC=off and reboot and see what happens (I am drawing from https://github.com/cpriego/valet-linux/issues/7 which may or may not be relevant)
[03:33] <Sveta`> rfleming|home: not sure why it has 'no' and not 'off', you might have to try both
[03:33] <rfleming|home> phelix, sorry... wrong package.  Which are you trying to install?
[03:33] <phelix> java8 preferable
[03:34] <rfleming|home> ok, apt-cache policy oracle-java8-installer
[03:34] <ArMedic2> is there a way to display a battery meter..with the numerical output..
[03:34] <rfleming|home> Sveta`, I'll reboot in a sec.
[03:34] <rfleming|home> Sveta`, I'm going to take the backup copy and see what happens
[03:34] <rfleming|home> since that was created during the upgrade process
[03:34] <phelix> rfleming|home, https://pastebin.com/cWy1N1zA
[03:35] <rfleming|home> phelix, OK, java 8u144
[03:35] <Sveta`> ok
[03:35] <phelix> do I need to manually download that?
[03:36] <rfleming|home> phelix: can you run 'sudo apt-get install oracle-java8-installer'
[03:36] <phelix> yes, that is what I have been running and I keep getting the download error.
[03:36] <rfleming|home> paste the whole process
[03:37] <phelix> k
[03:37] <rfleming|home> something is missing as it shows 8u144-1 in the version, but your error shows 8u60
[03:37] <rfleming|home> brb, rebooting
[03:39] <rfleming|home> Sveta`, success.
[03:39] <phelix> rfleming|home, https://pastebin.com/PRCf2GZ1
[03:41] <rfleming|home> phelix, I think oracle is having a bad time
[03:41] <rfleming|home> let me try on mine
[03:41] <phelix> k
[03:42] <rfleming|home> are you agreeing to their license?
[03:42] <rfleming|home> yeah, I'm getting 404 error on their binary
[03:42] <rfleming|home> The problem is Oracle, not you
[03:43] <rfleming|home> You may be able to manually download Oracle JAVA from their website
[03:43] <phelix> But its not htat same version? Why is it trying to install that instead of 8u151 ?
[03:43] <phelix> that is newest version 8 on their website
[03:43] <rfleming|home> that's why the 404
[03:43] <rfleming|home> they upgraded, and the PPA is behind
[03:44] <phelix> Is there any way to get this installed?
[03:44] <rfleming|home> yes, but not from PPA
[03:44] <phelix> how can I do it manually? I tried that but also had issues.
[03:44] <rfleming|home> go to https://www.java.com/en/download/linux_manual.jsp
[03:44] <rfleming|home> download the right one for you (Linux x64)
[03:44] <rfleming|home> and follow the instructions they provide
[03:45] <rfleming|home> there's an instruction for each download
[03:45] <phelix> I have.. still issues.
[03:45] <phelix> I tried that before i came in here.
[03:45] <rfleming|home> are you changing names?
[03:45] <phelix> no
[03:46] <ubuntu_user> hi
[03:46] <rfleming|home> phelix, you need to change the name of jre-8-73-linux-x64.tar.gz to jre-8u151-linux-x64.tar.gz
[03:46] <ArMedic> cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/capacity displays it, but no indicator in the bar
[03:46] <ubuntu_user> i need help regarding ubuntu upgrade
[03:46] <phelix> rfleming|home, yes that is the name of the file that i downloaded
[03:47] <rfleming|home> phelix, and what is the issue then?
[03:47] <rfleming|home> phelix, https://www.java.com/en/download/help/linux_x64_install.xml is Oracle's instructions
[03:47] <ubuntu_user> i am currently using development release
[03:47] <rfleming|home> substitute the name of your download with what the document says
[03:47] <ubuntu_user> i couldn't upgrade to latest stable release
[03:47] <rfleming|home> it tells you how to install
[03:48] <rfleming|home> ubuntu_user, what happened?
[03:48] <ArMedic> Perhaps, that option was forgotten about, or something crashed here.
[03:48] <rfleming|home> ubuntu_user, oh, you already had 17.10 as a development release?
[03:48] <ubuntu_user> no idea, whether it was development release or something
[03:49] <rfleming|home> ubuntu_user, what does /etc/issue say?
[03:49] <ubuntu_user> i saw demo videos, nope it doesn't look like 17.10
[03:49] <ubuntu_user> @rfleming how do i check /etc/issue ?
[03:49] <rfleming|home> ubuntu_user, from a terminal... cat /etc/issue
[03:50] <ubuntu_user> Ubuntu 17.10 \n \l
[03:50] <rfleming|home> ubuntu_user, you're using Ubuntu 17.10
[03:50] <ubuntu_user> lsb_release -a
[03:50] <ubuntu_user> No LSB modules are available.
[03:50] <ubuntu_user> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[03:50] <ubuntu_user> Description:	Ubuntu 17.10
[03:50] <ubuntu_user> Release:	17.10
[03:50] <ubuntu_user> Codename:	artful
[03:50] <ubuntu_user> nope, it doesn't look like 17.10
[03:50] <phelix> rfleming|home, https://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/technotes/guides/install/linux_jdk.html#BJFJJEFG
[03:51] <phelix> There is no rpm and that is not for ubunutu
[03:51] <rfleming|home> do you want jdk or jre?
[03:51] <phelix> jdk
[03:51] <ubuntu_user> DE is still unity 7
[03:52] <phelix> There has to be more than just extracting it
[03:52] <rfleming|home> phelix, so download the jdk-8u151-linux-x64.tar.gz file
[03:52] <phelix> i have and extracted it
[03:53] <phelix> /home/phelix/Downloads/jdk1.8.0_151
[03:53] <ubuntu_user> who is
[03:53] <ubuntu_user> who is armedic
[03:53] <ubuntu_user> exit
[03:54] <phelix> Why does it not say what to do after you extract it?
[03:55] <ArMedic> A guy that can't find an answer, thats who.
[03:55] <wudo_honour> where can i find the high quality pdf
[03:56] <bazhang> wudo_honour, how is this ubuntu related
[03:56] <rfleming|home> phelix, it does
[03:56] <phelix> Where? seems I am missing it
[03:57] <phelix> it tells you to extract it hten jumps to rpm insructions
[03:57] <rfleming|home> phelix, you need to move to the folder you want Java installed (like /usr) then you tar xvf in /usr and it creates /usr/jdk_8_xxxxxx whatever
[03:57] <rfleming|home> then you have to add it to your path and stuff
[03:57] <rfleming|home> or create symlinks
[03:57] <phelix> hmm. instructions don't show how to do this
[03:57] <rfleming|home> it's not an intuitive process
[03:58] <rfleming|home> that's why the PPA
[03:58] <rfleming|home> But, do you have a need for Oracle Java?
[03:59] <rfleming|home> phelix, can you use openjdk?
[03:59] <rfleming|home> or must it be oracle?
[03:59] <phelix> yes I need it to run this program
[03:59] <sirru5h> oh geez another java issue
[04:00] <sirru5h> ppa repository not working for you either phelix ?
[04:00] <rfleming|home> phelix, I don't know who this dude is but he wrote instructions
[04:00] <rfleming|home> http://ibraransari.blogspot.ca/2017/06/solved-how-to-manually-install-oracle-java-ubuntu-in-easy-way.html
[04:01] <Sveta`> rfleming|home: congratulations!
[04:01] <rfleming|home> sirru5h, PPA doesn't have the new version of oracle java, and oracle pulled 144
[04:01] <sirru5h> rfleming|home, that looks new I been trying since last night
[04:02] <sirru5h> rfleming|home, yes it was always a download error
[04:02] <sirru5h> rfleming|home, well I will give it a try you rock thank you
[04:02] <rfleming|home> sirru5h, yeah, ppa doesn't have 151 and oracle pulled 144 ... so phelix has to manually install
[04:02] <rfleming|home> sirru5h, and I guess so do you
[04:02] <rfleming|home> Sveta`, yea!  thanks for pointing me in the right direction
[04:03] <sirru5h> lol yes I have to
[04:04] <rfleming|home> that link I sent phelix is how do install manually
[04:04] <rfleming|home> looks about right
[04:04] <sirru5h> I used alien to be honest and I think it messes with the environment like it forgot to do that
[04:04] <rfleming|home> I hate java and avoid all apps that depend upon it
[04:05] <phelix> I normally do.. but this app needs it and I have to have it
[04:05] <sirru5h> rfleming|home, yeah I know what you mean trust me
[04:05] <sirru5h> yup my app also needs java 8
[04:05] <rfleming|home> I'd rather find an inferior alternative
[04:05] <phelix> ok seems that I got it going now
[04:05] <rfleming|home> phelix, good stuff
[04:05] <phelix> ok working!! thank oyu!!
[04:05] <sirru5h> no way around it I tried with openjdk it was buggy
[04:05] <rfleming|home> phelix: now, you must stick around here and become the java expert
[04:05] <phelix> haha yeah right!
[04:06] <sirru5h> brb I'll give it a shot
[04:06] <rfleming|home> remember... apt-cache policy oracle-java8-installer to check the version... if it stillsays 8u144 then manual install and that link
[04:06] <rfleming|home> phelix, ubuntu-users are depending upon you in the future
[04:06] <phelix> I hate java though lol
[04:07] <rfleming|home> (most) everyone hates java
[04:08] <rfleming|home> OK, I need sleep
[04:08] <rfleming|home> Sveta`, thanks once again.
[04:08] <rfleming|home> phelix, glad you got Java going
[04:08] <rfleming|home> sirru5h, remember to ask phelix for help when you get home
[04:09] <rfleming|home> phelix & sirru5h: either wait for 8u151 to show up in the ppa or remove the ppa
[04:10] <rfleming|home> cheers!
[04:21] <sirru5h> phelix, u got java working
[04:23] <phelix> sirru5h, yea i did
[04:23] <sirru5h> hmm let me try again I guess
[04:28] <sirru5h> phelix I had to use update-alternatives --config java  then on to javac
[04:28] <phelix> Yes, that is what I had to do
[04:29] <phelix> and manually download it
[04:31] <sirru5h> Yup it is set for me as well
[04:32] <pezdispenser> Hey recomendatiobs on a distro for an older macbook 2.1 ?
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> !mac | pezdispenser
[04:33] <pezdispenser> I dont nees help installing
[04:33] <pezdispenser> Just wondering if anyone has a recommendation for a distro to run snoothly.   I dont want supet bare bones.    Mayve lubuntu ?
[04:34] <aaap> hello guys
[04:38] <aaap> may i know what is a good text editor which you use?
[04:38] <sirru5h> Well do you want a gui or are you comfortable with a terminal ?
[04:39] <sirru5h> I generally tend to use Leafpad for gui and in terminal it is nano
[04:41] <sirru5h> Often times the best thing to do is just test various text editors and see which one you feel the most comfortable with, as this is a preference type of decision
[04:41] <aaap> gui
[04:41] <aaap> just curious what you guys using
[04:42] <sirru5h> aaap, yeah I tend to find myself taking notes with nano more than anything
[04:42] <aaap> haha
[04:42] <aaap> i used nano too
[04:43] <aaap> on desktop, i will use gui based text editor
[04:43] <sirru5h> Well I know for myself I always have a terminal open soon as I get onto my machine.
[04:45] <sirru5h> Well I gotta get going thanks rfleming|home the guy is a great source of information.  cya phelix
[04:49] <mm_> 有人吗
[04:49] <PotatoBloxx> Errr
[04:50] <PotatoBloxx> :P
[04:51] <PotatoBloxx> MMMM
[04:52] <lotuspsychje> PotatoBloxx: can we help you?
[04:58] <sysman18>  Hi everybody!!!, I have a question, I install Ubuntu 17.10 and my desktop changed automatically to cinnamon, I been hacked?
[05:03] <rootine> No, hackers don't let you know it this way.
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> sysrage: 17.10 has gnome by default now
[05:33] <aaap> may i know is there is a portable lamp for linux?
[05:34] <alkisg> what's the benefit of portable apps for linux, when you have package management?
[05:34] <JanC> you can buy portable lamps in most hardware stores
[05:35] <vane04> :)
[05:35] <aaap> alkisg, can run it anywhere
[05:35] <aaap> JanC, lol
[05:36] <alkisg> aaap: a usb stick with linux can run "anywhere"
[05:36] <alkisg> what does "anywhere" mean for you?
[05:37] <kfei> beep beep
[05:40] <aaap> alkisg, independent on top of current OS
[05:40] <aaap> doesn't bind to the current OS library
[05:41] <alkisg> aaap: of course apps for linux are depended to linux
[05:42] <alkisg> What's your actual use case?
[05:42] <aaap> run it as portable app
[05:42] <alkisg> I'm asking because I was using portable apps for windows, and saw that in linux there's no need for that
[05:42] <alkisg> So, if you state your actual requirements, maybe you'll understand that too
[05:44] <alkisg> For example, if you install linux to a usb stick, you can then install lamp on it, and run it in any pc
[05:44] <alkisg> xampp does have a linux version, but noone here will tell you to use that, as it's not convenient
[05:47] <Tadassssss> hey #ubuntu, I am trying to launch python scripts through bash, but getting command not found, any ideas? https://paste.pound-python.org/show/vIDPWiIE1x9B4Cbajqfh/ Im totally new in bash scripting
[05:48] <alkisg> Tadassssss: configure your editor to use linux line endings \n instead of mac \r
[05:48] <alkisg> (or windows, \r\n)
[05:48] <Tadassssss> alkisg, I'm using Ubuntu 14.04, so the problem is in my text editor?
[05:49] <alkisg> Tadassssss: in how you configured your text editor. Which one are you using?
[05:49] <alkisg> (or, in how you got your files)
[05:49] <Tadassssss> alkisg, just simple notepad for this one, I just want to run 10 python scripts at the same time
[05:49] <alkisg> Tadassssss: ubuntu doesn't have notepad
[05:49] <alkisg> It has gedit
[05:49] <alkisg> ...you're not using wine's notepad, are you?!
[05:50] <hateball> :D
[05:50] <Tadassssss> wine's? I dont know whats that, Im on windows machine just using notepad to write this script, sorry im totally new on ubuntu...
[05:50] <alkisg> Tadassssss: eh, are you on windows or on ubuntu 14.04?
[05:50] <Tadassssss> I'm on windows, but I upload the files to ubuntu via putty
[05:51] <Tadassssss> via filezilla*
[05:51] <Tadassssss> and launch them through putty
[05:51] <hateball> Tadassssss: then you need to use a sane text editor, like notepad++
[05:51] <alkisg> Eh... too many issues there to list :D
[05:51] <hateball> Tadassssss: or just ssh in to the machine and edit with nano or vim or whatever
[05:51] <Tadassssss> alkisg, why everything has to be so complicated with linux >.>
[05:51] <zomberout> hello
[05:51] <alkisg> Tadassssss: no, that's windows
[05:51] <alkisg> You're using windows + filezilla + ubuntu, instead of plain ubuntu
[05:51] <alkisg> You are the one making things complicated
[05:52] <Tadassssss> alkisg, how do you upload files then without some kind of file transferrer like filezilla?
[05:52] <alkisg> Tadassssss: I'm using ubuntu as the os, so I don't have windows, so I don't need to "upload" anything
[05:52] <Tadassssss> well in that case yeah, but this is a VPS...
[05:53] <sardonicTurd> does ubuntu still collect personal data?
[05:53] <alkisg> Tadassssss: why are you learning python in a vps instead of in windows or in a vm?
[05:53] <hateball> sardonicTurd: if you configure it to do so
[05:53] <Tadassssss> alkisg, I know python, I just need to run very resource extensive scripts and I need a powerful server for that
[05:54] <alkisg> Tadassssss: ok... you can still use ubuntu as your host os, and use sshfs to mount the remote dir, so that it feels completely native
[05:54] <sardonicTurd> that sounds sketchy uhm why would i configure something to spy on me ?
[05:54] <Tadassssss> alkisg, you said, the problem is in /n, would this work? https://paste.pound-python.org/show/0S1cyWRZykkTFjoSfzfk/
[05:55] <alkisg> Tadassssss: so anyway to the point, don't use notepad, but notepad++ or some other editor that can properly save files
[05:55] <alkisg> Windows' notepad is not a proper editor
[05:55] <alkisg> You need "unix line ending" and "utf8 encoding"
[05:55] <alkisg> Notepad can only do "utf8 with bom", and it doesn't support unix line endings
[05:55] <alkisg> So download another editor like notepad++
[05:56] <sardonicTurd> uhm so it still does. got my answer ;)
[05:56] <Tadassssss> alkisgg, kk even though I hate notepad++, I will download it...
[05:56] <hateball> sardonicTurd: Surely you can troll better than this
[05:56] <alkisg> Tadassssss: download scite then
[05:56] <alkisg> There are thousands of editors
[05:57] <Tadassssss> alkisg, ok, so notepad++ gives me a choice to save file as filename.bash, is it ok, or should it be filename.sh instead?
[05:58] <alkisg> Tadassssss: ubuntu doesn't care at all about extensions
[05:58] <Tadassssss> alkisg, alright
[05:58] <alkisg> Usually we don't use extensions at all for shell files
[05:58] <alkisg> In the rare case we do, we name them .sh
[05:59] <Tadassssss> alkisg, still the same thing... https://paste.pound-python.org/show/jF7cQKvmy8G5UfplD85a/
[05:59] <Tadassssss> with the /r
[06:00] <sardonicTurd> you know what i find rather revolting shallow people like yourself who rushes to stamp the troll stamp on every a bit clever way of writing. this or what you saw above is how i sound and always have now calling it trolling is really pejorative and will do me no good to get my answers but only leads to me getting kicked by the so ever erect mods. pl
[06:00] <sardonicTurd> ease buzz away im here ask questions not play around
[06:00] <alkisg> Tadassssss: try "save as", and search for "line encoding"
[06:00] <alkisg> Not for "extension"
[06:01] <sardonicTurd> anyway i dont use ubuntu
[06:04] <Tadassssss> alkisg, kk finally managed to run it, found an option in notepad++ to convert the lines, thanks a lot...
[06:04] <alkisg> np
[06:04] <alkisg> Btw, that was  a #windows question, not an #ubuntu question :)
[06:05] <hateball> Tadassssss: You'd do well to learn basic file editing on a linux shell if you intend to run things using linux...
[06:05] <Tadassssss> hateball, yeah, probably, and now I noticed my python scripts dont launch when launched through bash >.>
[06:06] <hateball> Well they probably carry the same disease
[06:06] <hateball> As the script calling them, that is
[06:06] <Tadassssss> they work perfect when launched seperately
[06:07] <hateball> Oh
[06:07] <Tadassssss> oh sry, stupid me, I scheduled these scripts...
[06:07] <Tadassssss> so they will run in a few mins
[06:08] <freakyy> i still wonder, if i should install kubuntu ...
[06:08] <Tadassssss> is it possible to cancel the bash script without restarting the server?
[06:08] <freakyy> last time i tried it, i went into kde, klicked a few thigns, switched back to gnome
[06:08] <hateball> freakyy: We don't bite over in #kubuntu if you're interested
[06:10] <alkisg> Tadassssss: sudo apt install htop; htop
[06:10] <alkisg> htop will show you a process list, you can kill anyone you like from there
[06:11] <Tadassssss> alkisg, nice thanks
[06:20] <cosec_> hellp
[06:20] <cosec_> hello
[06:20] <cosec_> i need some help
[06:20] <cosec_> so here is the problem
[06:21] <cosec_> my ubuntu starts up a really low resolution login screen
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> cosec_: ubuntu version?
[06:21] <cosec_> and when i login, it jumps right back to the login screen
[06:21] <cosec_> 16.04
[06:21] <cosec_> so i have to go to tty
[06:22] <cosec_> and reinstall my graphics driver
[06:22] <cosec_> and then it works
[06:22] <cosec_> i am not sure whats making this happen
[06:22] <cosec_> this just happens randomly
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> cosec_: wich graphics card and driver?
[06:22] <cosec_> i am using a nvidia driver
[06:22] <cosec_> geforce 1070
[06:22] <cosec_> so i go to Downloads
[06:23] <cosec_> sudo ./n.run
[06:23] <cosec_> it install
[06:23] <cosec_> and everything go back to normal
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> cosec_: where did you get that driver?
[06:23] <cosec_> and next time the entire thing goes kaput randomly
[06:23] <cosec_> i got it from nvidia website
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> cosec_: did you system boot fine with the opensource driver?
[06:24] <cosec_> yes it did. even grub looked good with opensource driver
[06:25] <cosec_> i wanna go back
[06:25] <cosec_> what do i do ?
[06:25] <cosec_> something keeps breaking the driver
[06:25] <cosec_> for some reason
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> cosec_: go into recovery with terminal and sudo apt purge nvidia*
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> cosec_: better test the ubuntu driver ppa for better drivers (if needed)
[06:26] <cosec_> that should restore the opensource driver ?
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> cosec_: yes
[06:26] <cosec_> ok
[06:26] <cosec_> lemme do this
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> cosec_: if things go bad or black, you can do the nomodeset also to get in
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset | cosec_
[06:28] <cosec_> okok
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> cosec_: to see available drivers on your system you can also check: ubuntu-drivers list
[06:30] <Cosec__> Hey
[06:30] <Cosec__> I am.in recovery
[06:31] <Cosec__> I am in root shell prompt
[06:31] <Cosec__> I typed sudo apt remove Nvidia*
[06:31] <Cosec__> It's lists all the Nvidia packages
[06:31] <Cosec__> And then says did not remove because not installed
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> Cosec__: you said you installed it?
[06:32] <Cosec__> lotuspsychje ??
[06:32] <Cosec__> I did install.it 2 mins bavk
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> Cosec__: try ubuntu-drivers list
[06:32] <Cosec__> And it worked fine
[06:33] <Cosec__> It says nvidia-375
[06:33] <Cosec__> Intel-microcode
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> Cosec__: try ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[06:35] <Cosec__> Which option to select in recovery mode ?
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> Cosec__: did it install drivers after that command?
[06:51] <ViStefan> Does anybody know, if possibility to use buttons in notify-osd notifications is removed from Ubuntu 16.04 (bottins like next/close or play/pause with custom actions)? How to use it?
[06:58] <Cosec__> Lotuspsychje I got out of recovery
[06:58] <Cosec__> I could not install in recovery. It can't connect to the internet
[06:59] <Cosec__> I ran Ubuntu drivers autoinstall in normal desktop
[07:00] <Cosec__> lotuspsychje
[07:00] <Cosec__> ?
[07:02] <kr5odb4> Do i need the package libapache2-mod-php5 to be able to use php on my apache server? cause apt-get wont find it
[07:04] <Flannel> kr5odb4: it's libapache2-mod-php now (or libapache2-mod-php7.0 or 7.1) (because it's php7)
[07:04] <kr5odb4> oh wow, Im outdated af, ty
[07:04] <Flannel> kr5odb4: No worries.  I had to double check
[07:05] <jink> But you don't want mod_php.
[07:07] <jink> Use php-fpm instead.
[07:07] <vishesh> Just upgraded to 17.10. The Ubuntu Dock is missing. I had Dash to Dock installed earlier and I suspect it may have something to do with stale leftover config. Any ideas on how I can get the Ubuntu Dock ?
[07:08] <kr5odb4> @jink does apache auto detect it and use it?
[07:08] <jink> kr5odb4: It does what you tell it to do.  It's a computer, not a sentient being.
[07:10] <kr5odb4> my question is do I have to do something else than installing it for apache to use it, because in that case I prefer to install mod_php
[07:10] <kr5odb4> that one works with no need for configuration
[07:11] <jink> I think the Ubuntu package does a fair job, but YMMV.  I don't know your setup.
[07:12] <kr5odb4> ok I'll try, havent slept in 2 days thats why I'm extra lazy rn
[07:12] <jink> kr5odb4: ^__^
[08:07] <zoli__> hello, after upgradeing to 17.10, i cannot connect to vpn with NetworkManager, however it works with nmcli. In the logs I see: Failed to request VPN secrets #3: No agents were available for this request.
[08:08] <zoli__> looks like NetworkManager cannot talk to the keyring?
[08:08] <zoli__> how can I solve this?
[08:08] <zoli__> where it the communication between NM and keyring configured?
[08:08] <zoli__> what keyring does it use? Ubuntu keyring or gnome keyring?
[08:12] <oerheks> zoli__, did you install network-manager-openvpn-gnome ?
[08:12] <oerheks> !info network-manager-openvpn-gnome
[08:12] <oerheks> = optional, you need that for VPN
[08:13] <oerheks> after that, systemctl network-manager restart
[08:13] <zoli__> oerheks: yes it is installed
[08:13] <zoli__> i tried to reinstall already networkmanager and restart several times
[08:14] <oerheks> oh oke :-(
[08:14] <McSvenst1> Hello, did someone get calendar working with Exchange throug online-accounts (17.10, gnome)? I can add my exchange account, but no calendar (and no contacts) show up.
[08:14] <zoli__> btw I am trying to use pptp, but network-manager-pptp(-gnome) is also isntalled
[08:15] <arunkumar413> some times the font are showing up as square boxes for non-english languages
[08:15] <arunkumar413> in firefox browser
[08:15] <arunkumar413> how do i fix this
[08:22] <McSvenst1> help
[08:23] <McSvenst1> sory ;-)
[08:25] <zoli__> McSvenst1: I dont know if this helps: https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/stable/mail-account-manage-microsoft-exchange.html.en
[08:27] <McSvenst1> zoli__: Thank you, but i do not have evolution installed. It's a clean install of 17.10 with gnome.
[08:29] <McSvenst1> It offeres online-accounts in "settings" and there "Microsoft Exchange", but when I add my Exchange account it shows thre options (contacts, calendar and email), all three enabled
[08:29] <McSvenst1> But nothing happens, no matter if I enable or disable calendar
[08:37] <McSvenst1> just installed evolution... it shows only two of three accounts: my owncloud (type GOA:webdav) and my google-account (type GOA:google), but not my exchange account.
[08:37] <wisam> How can one change Gnome Shell theme and GTK theme on 17.10? There doesn't seem to be a version of Tweak Tool for Aardvark.
[08:44] <brainwash> wisam: you mean the version in 17.10 is not compatible, or that there is no gnome-tweak-tool package available at all?
[08:44] <wisam> brainwash, no package for 17.10 on launchpad.
[08:45] <brainwash> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-tweak-tool
[08:46] <dax> wisam: gnome-tweak-tool is in artful. check that you have the universe repository enabled and have updated your package lists (sudo apt-get update) recently
[08:47] <McSvenst1> SOLVED: To make "Microsoft Exchange" work in online-accounts, one has to install "evolution-ews"
[08:48] <rud0lf> please help: sftp://user@(lan_ip)/ takes very long (1-2 minutes) to be opened in file browser/web browser, but in filezilla it opens in a moment
[08:48] <rud0lf> browser doesn't hang
[08:48] <rud0lf> i don't really know how to troubleshoot
[08:49] <rud0lf> in ssh server log, any action (including connection) also appears after 1~2 minutes
[08:49] <McSvenst1> I find it a bit missleading to have the option to configure an exchange account, but this will do nothing untill one installs some special packages.
[08:53] <ragr> hi, I'm new to this ubuntu support channel, so pardon if I ask this in the wrong forum :)
[08:54] <ragr> I have encounteres an issue with Ubuntu not prompting me for a encryption passphrase during bootup
[08:54] <wisam> brainwash, dax: OK, thanks. Added universe to sources.list and installed gnome-tweak-tool.
[08:55] <McSvenst1> rud0lf: No help, just for information: sftp in nautilus works like a charm on my system (clean install 17:10)
[08:55] <cerion> ragr: what ubuntu version ? what is tour setup ? do you have /etc/crypttab filled up ?
[08:58] <rud0lf> gvfs has no log file
[08:58] <rud0lf> at last not by its name :/
[08:58] <ragr> I'm running Ubuntu 16.04, I have /etc/cryptotab filled with : cryptoswap UUID=<some hex> /dev/urandom swap,offset=1024, cipher=aes-xts-plain64
[09:06] <ragr> cerion: I'm running Ubuntu 16.04, I have /etc/cryptotab filled with : cryptoswap UUID=<some hex> /dev/urandom swap,offset=1024, cipher=aes-xts-plain64
[09:07] <cerion> ragr: well then there is only crypted swap defind there so it does not know about your encrypted partition. You have to fill the details in /etc/crypttab
[09:08] <Guest94309> hi
[09:10] <cyphase> happy 13th birthday to ubuntu!
[09:10] <cyphase> Ubuntu: The Teenage Years
[09:10] <ragr> cerion: thanks, though this is really strange, I installed ubuntu yesterday, choosing to make the whole harddrive encrypted, worked like expected up until today
[09:11] <cerion> ragr: strange
[09:11] <Simas> hi, this is support channel?
[09:13] <znull> n Linux, is there a way to find out which PCI card is plugged into which PCI slot?
[09:13] <Simas> Got a but or idk, when I open terminal I can't use shortcuts. ex, f12 for guake writs ~ in terminal - this bug is present only at wayland session
[09:13] <Simas> anyone else have similar issue on wayland like me?
[09:14] <cerion> znull: with soft like hwinfo or hardinfo may be
[09:15] <escrooge1> znull, lspci
[09:16] <znull> escrooge1, i know about that.. but im not sure on which pci lane is my video card.. i can see it lol, but its wrong on lspci
[09:16] <znull> escrooge1, for example i know pci 0 is near the cpu..
[09:17] <ragr> cerion: pardon for asking, I'm new to this support forum :) is this the right place to ask for that kind of question or is there a more suitable channel/forum?
[09:17] <cerion> znull: look at the motherboard manual then
[09:17] <znull> escrooge1, https://paste.ubuntu.com/25777869/
[09:17] <cerion> ragr: this is ok
[09:18] <znull> cerion, i have 2 video cards, and 5 pci lanes total ( and Pci_2=nvidia and PCI_4=amd )
[09:19] <znull> cerion, trying to figure out.. how linux associates pci_lanes with video cards
[09:23] <escrooge1> znull, maybe ordering is set in bios at boot time
[09:24] <ragr> cerion: though it does not make sense :/ I encrypted the whole disk when prompted for this during Ubuntu installation, how can it possiblybe that I can use my computer at all if /etc/crypttab is where the system gets the unlock information from? If this file somehow had been corrupted/changed, it would have made more sense if my computher had become a brick, but now I can use the system as if there was no
[09:24] <ragr> ecryption at all
[09:27] <Anthaas> are there any terminals which support a non-Monospaced font?
[09:30] <alkisg> Anthaas: how would editors and other ncurses-based programs appear in non-monospaced fonts?
[09:38] <Dani-hp> hey guys, is there a way to show all packages installed from a 3rd party repo?
[09:39] <Lachezar> Hey all. On Xubuntu I'm having the following issue: programs started from the desktop do not have SSH_AGENT_PID and SSH_AUTH_SOCK set, although the terminal emulator does. (x-post #linux)
[09:41] <alkisg> Dani-hp: https://serverfault.com/questions/252333/list-all-packages-from-a-repository-in-ubuntu-debian
[09:43] <khangeek> I can't seem to install pycharm from software center. Gives me an error about snap packages.
[09:46] <Sveta`> khangeek: what is the error text?
[09:55] <crtcji> Hello. Does anybody know what are the minimal requirements for the Canonical's Landscape? I would like to run it in a VPS. Google did not helped me. Thank you.
[09:57] <khangeek> failed to read froms snapd : Error Recieving Data : Connection reset by peer , Sveta`
[10:02] <Sveta`> khangeek: does it ask you to authenticate (before or after showing the error)?
[10:05] <tomreyn> crtcji: i dont know (never used it), but you could give it a try: https://askubuntu.com/questions/549809/how-do-i-install-landscape-for-personal-use#answers
[10:06] <toolz> hello, we have just updated to 17.10 and our gnome does not start anymore after a clean succesfull update from gnome as it popped out - https://pastebin.com/UzdgARap
[10:13] <khangeek> Sveta`: nope
[10:14] <Sveta`> khangeek: what version of snapd-glib have you got?
[10:14] <ut2k3> Hi guys, does the latest SSHD support "HOME_OF_USER/.ssh./authorized_keys.d/" because in my case it doesn't work ... public keys inside the folder are not being read. Do I have to enable it?
[10:15] <khangeek> How to check that?
[10:15] <crtcji> tomreyn: thank you. found it here https://landscape.canonical.com/static/doc/user-guide/ch03.html . I was a little impatient when searching :)
[10:16] <tomreyn> crtcji: glad you found it then :)
[10:17] <khangeek> its ubuntu 17.10
[10:19] <tomreyn> ut2k3: i haven't come across this path, yet. i'm used to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys{,2} only
[10:19] <Sveta`> khangeek: in terminal i know of 'apt-cache show snapd-glib' to see version
[10:20] <tomreyn> ut2k3: there is an open debian feature reauest on what you suggest https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=481251 - which makes me thiunk ubuntu probably doesn't have it either. unless this was newly introduced upstream?
[10:25] <Sveta`> khangeek: i am asking because there is bug 1722195 in gnome-software, i need to leave, so once you figure it out you may want to ask the whole question one more time including all detail (error message text, that it doent ask for auth, and the version)
[10:29] <Seveas> I have a systemd unit file that consistently fails to start, without logging anything except "Starting [description of unit file here]...". Running the command in it by hand, as the appropriate user, with the appropriate environment variable sset, works. How do I debug this?
[10:30] <khangeek> how to find the glib version?
[10:34] <Seveas> khangeek:  dpkg -l libglib-2.0-0
[10:41] <khangeek> there is no package
[10:42] <khangeek> called snapd-glib
[10:45] <nf0> Sorry if this is a silly question, but how do I set a static IP address in Ubuntu Server 17.10? Editing /etc/network/interfaces seems to be deprecated?
[10:47] <hateball> nf0: use nmcli
[10:48] <nf0> I need to install a package just to change my network config?
[10:48] <nf0> What if I'm not connected to a network?
[10:48] <hateball> If you have network-manager it should already be installed
[10:49] <hateball> if you don't then interfaces should work just fine
[10:49] <hateball> deprecated doesnt mean dead, yet
[10:50] <nf0> My interfaces file only has the loopback interface in it
[10:50] <nf0> But ifconfig shows my ens160 interface
[10:51] <nf0> And I'd rather not use the deprecated method in favor of the new, intended one
[11:09] <aaap> hello guys
[11:10] <aaap> what music player do you guys use?
[11:13] <nf0> @hateball Figured it out, had to edit a file under /etc/netplan/ and do "netplan apply". Interesting of Ubuntu to make such a change with so little documentation.
[11:14] <hateball> nf0: interesting
[11:14] <hateball> nf0: to be honest I havent used ubuntu-server newer than 16.04, as i prefer LTS on servers
[11:25] <dbhelp> Hello, I used this tutorial (https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/install-apache-with-php-and-mysql-on-ubuntu-16-04-lamp/ ) to install LAMP and it works just fine except in python where i get an error : https://pastebin.com/Bj6HDmea . Why ?
[11:26] <dbhelp> Also I ask the question here because I  think it might be ubuntu specific since the same script worked fine with a lamp install on another OS.
[11:31] <akik> dbhelp: it's a mysql permission problem. you might not have the correct password or the database has wrong definition for access
[11:32] <dbhelp> akik: "mysql -u root -p" works just fine with the "dummy" password that I set that's why I don't get it.
[11:32] <akik> dbhelp: how about if you access the IMDb database?
[11:33] <CVirus> Good day .. jusdt finished the upgrade to 17.10 and there are a few things that are annoying me .. I use 3 screens and the window switcher (alt+tab) only shows up on the primary screen .. how can I make it show on all of them?
[11:34] <dbhelp> akik: The same there is no problem, it's only when i try to access via Python.
[11:35] <akik> dbhelp: "mysql -u root -p dummy IMDb"
[11:35] <akik> or without the password there
[11:35] <akik> dbhelp: "mysql -u root -p IMDb"
[11:36] <dbhelp> akik: Yes that works fine (on your first command you should have removed the space between -p and dummy for it to work).Also I installed the "python3-mysql.connector" to do this. Is it the good one ?
[11:38] <akik> dbhelp: sorry don't know. the error message seems to be clear but then it's not
[11:39] <dbhelp> akik: Ok, thanks for your time
[11:40] <akik> dbhelp: actually on superuser.com "The non-obvious implication of the UNIX_SOCKET Authentication Plugin being enabled (which is now the default) is that one's ability to authenticate as the root database user with a password is disabled. "
[11:40] <akik> https://superuser.com/questions/957708/mysql-mariadb-error-1698-28000-access-denied-for-user-rootlocalhost
[11:41] <dbhelp> akik: Ok that fixed it ! https://stackoverflow.com/questions/39281594/error-1698-28000-access-denied-for-user-rootlocalhost
[11:41] <akik> dbhelp: how did you fix it?
[11:41] <dbhelp> The first answer https://stackoverflow.com/questions/39281594/error-1698-28000-access-denied-for-user-rootlocalhost
[11:42] <akik> dbhelp: the one with 94 points? which option?
[11:42] <dbhelp> akik: First option sorry forgot to mention it
[11:43] <akik> you learn something new every day :P
[11:43] <dbhelp> akik: yes indeed, yes indeed. thanks for your assistance
[11:45] <akik> https://www.percona.com/blog/2016/03/16/change-user-password-in-mysql-5-7-with-plugin-auth_socket/
[11:46] <Matej1987> Hi, people. Do You have any idea, when new MBP will be released?
[11:48] <Mathisen> Matej1987, #apple
[11:49] <blacknred0> hi folks.... I had a somewhat smooth upgrade from 17.04 to 17.10.... my ubuntu (gnome) is stuck at login.  it is kind of a weird behavior... if i type a letter it goes crazy by typing a bunch of them
[11:50] <blacknred0> i can't get to other ttl's by doing ctrl+atl+f#
[11:50] <blacknred0> any thoughts?
[11:50] <Matej1987> Mathisen Is there any apple chaat?
[11:55] <tomreyn> blacknred0: i don't know about the issue itself but you can still access a terminal using the other -> emergency option from boot menu.
[11:56] <tomreyn> actually 'emergency' may be 'recovery'
[11:56] <tomreyn> blacknred0: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode
[11:56] <blacknred0> tomreyn: let me try.... anything that I should look for?
[11:56] <tomreyn> Matej1987: what is "MBP"'?
[11:58] <Matej1987> tomreyn, MacBook Pro
[11:58] <oslobystorm> hi
[11:58] <tomreyn> Matej1987: okay, well this channel is about ubuntu support only.
[11:59] <Matej1987> tomreyn: Yes, I know, but I want to get 16.04 LTS on latest MPB.
[11:59] <tomreyn> Matej1987: okay, what's failing about it?
[12:00] <oslobystorm> Description:	Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS Release:	16.04 Codename:	xenial -> i have set manual proxy in network proxies applied system wide and after i changed mode to none and applied to system wide -> ISSUE is that i still have the proxy set, in the terminal
[12:00] <oslobystorm> i have to export http_proxy="" and https_proxy="" each time i open up the terminal
[12:01] <tomreyn> oslobystorm: try logging out entirely and in again
[12:01] <Matej1987> tomreyn: m not sure about compatibility.
[12:01] <oslobystorm> i had 2-3 restarts as well
[12:01] <tomreyn> Matej1987: me neither, have you tried searching the web about it?
[12:01] <blacknred0> oslobystorm: have you try having it as part of the system (permanently) always when you login?
[12:01] <tomreyn> Matej1987: ...or just give it a try.
[12:02] <oslobystorm> no
[12:02] <oslobystorm> i don't want the proxy if is not set to manual or automatic, and is set to none
[12:03] <Matej1987> tomreyn: Yes and they wrote about RHEL only
[12:03] <tomreyn> oslobystorm: replace HOSTNAME by the proxy hostname or IP address and run: sudo grep -rlFI 'HOSTNAME' /etc 2>/dev/null
[12:04] <tomreyn> oslobystorm: this will list any system configuration files which still have the proxy set.
[12:04] <tomreyn> Matej1987: RHEL is also liunx, which means it should also work on ubuntu, if maybe not on the latest LTS.
[12:05] <tomreyn> Matej1987: note that RHEL refers to the server OS, though, so it doesn't refer to desktop use.
[12:06] <Matej1987> tomreyn: I know, but I never worked in RHEL
[12:06] <tomreyn> !pastebin | oslobystorm: in case you'd like to show the output of the above command, use this:
[12:07] <tomreyn> Matej1987: i'm not suggesting to use RHEL.
[12:07] <Matej1987> tomreyn: Yes, They refered on Red Hat and RHEL on official Apple site.
[12:07] <akik> tomreyn: there's also rhel desktop or rhel workstation
[12:07] <tomreyn> akik: oh were those renamed then, i'm used to "RHED"
[12:08] <Matej1987> tomreyn: I need some solid machine. I'm rendering 4K videos.
[12:09] <Matej1987> tomreyn: That's the reason, why I choosed MBP.
[12:11] <Matej1987> tomreyn: Some people suggested me centOS as a free Red Hat alternative. What do You think about it?
[12:12] <oerheks> Matso that site does not tell you when it comes out? and now you ask us? and try to get info about other linux distro's?
[12:12] <oerheks> please join #ubuntu-offtopic, this is technical support :-)
[12:12] <akik> Matej1987: or better yet, #centos
[12:12] <Matej1987> oerheks OK, thank You
[12:13] <oerheks> or ##linux?
[12:13] <Matej1987> akik Or something like Redhat<
[12:18] <CVirus> Good day .. jusdt finished the upgrade to 17.10 and there are a few things that are annoying me.. 1) I use 3 screens and the window switcher (alt+tab) only shows up on the primary screen .. how can I make it show on all of them? 2) My laptop pad touch pad no longer scrolls with 2 fingers .. How can I re-enable that?
[12:22] <jeroenpraat> No legacy systray icons for me in 17.10 (no Telegram, no Nextcloud, Electrum, etc in the tray). I upgrade from UbuntuGnome 17.04. I removed TopIconsPlus, tried TopIcons, reinstalled appindicator extension, reboot, etc. I only saw the icons once, but after relogin they were gone.
[12:25] <oerheks> CVirus, maybe gnome-tweak-tool gives that option?
[12:25] <oerheks> !info gnome-tweak-tool
[12:29] <tomreyn> Matej1987: this channel is about ubuntu support, not about ##hardware or #apple or #centos
[12:30] <tomreyn> * ##apple
[12:32] <daedeloth> greetings. my nvidia drivers doesn't seem to work after upgrading to 17.10, any tips?
[12:33] <CVirus> the screen re-arrangment changes everytime I dock/undock my laptop :(
[12:34] <oerheks> daedeloth, naming what nvidiacard, and what driver version, helps?
[12:35] <CVirus> wtf .. when did gnome be that awful .. i wanna go back to unity
[12:35] <oerheks> no need for that language, CVirus
[12:35] <blacknred0> ok, what's the easiest way to boot in recovery when uefi? i'm trying to run live ubunt 17.10 and it is ridiculously slow in celeron processor (i'm taking like 5 minutes if i right click)
[12:36] <blacknred0> literaly
[12:37] <oerheks> blacknred0, hold shift @ boot to enter grub menu, or esc, depending on the hardware
[12:37] <daedeloth> oerheks, actually have to search for that :D
[12:37] <daedeloth> ok card is GeForce GTX 1070
[12:37] <blacknred0> oerheks: ok, thanks mate... let me try that. i've been trying right shift but is not working
[12:38] <daedeloth> driver was the latest binary one
[12:38] <daedeloth> euh
[12:38] <daedeloth> 384.90
[12:39] <daedeloth> installed it through the "software and updates" gui
[12:43] <oerheks> should work from 367.27 and up.. did you try the nomodeset option ?
[12:43] <oerheks> !nomodeset
[12:45] <daedeloth> hm actually i think i'm going to do a clean install
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:51] <rndstrjkjrlkj329> Hi, I had a question that feels kind of noobish, but it is still frustrating me a bit. I recently compiled vim following these instructions: https://github.com/Valloric/YouCompleteMe/wiki/Building-Vim-from-source And it was successful, but it seems like when my computer shuts down or something, it resets back to vim 7.4, despite me using apt to remove them.
[12:51] <rndstrjkjrlkj329> Apt or apt-get keep reinstalling them and I'm not sure what to do about that
[12:52] <oerheks> hmm is it a bug, or is it a feature?
[12:52] <rndstrjkjrlkj329> Probably a feature I don't understand very well
[12:53] <ezra-s> rndstrjkjrlkj329: check with "dpkg -l | grep vim" if its installed through pre-compiled and if so remove it or it may be a thing of paths, if you have the same binary in /usr/bin and in /usr/local/bin you may be catching the first when running without path
[12:53] <ezra-s> rndstrjkjrlkj329: or even generate an alias for yourself pointing to the correct vim alias vim='/usr/local/bin/vim' or similar
[12:54] <oerheks> you missed step 2  remove vim vim-runtime gvim ??
[12:54] <rndstrjkjrlkj329> I did go through and remove them
[12:54] <rndstrjkjrlkj329> Unless I did it the wrong way
[12:55] <ezra-s> rndstrjkjrlkj329: do re-check now
[12:55] <seifer_almasy> Hello
[12:56] <rndstrjkjrlkj329> So I am seeing the 7.4 versions of vim in dpkg -l
[12:56] <oerheks> and the python workaround, that ends up with python 3.3 and 16.04 gives 3.5 ...
[12:56] <rndstrjkjrlkj329> I edited the python stuff so it's only python 2
[12:56] <oerheks> shady build howto
[12:56] <rndstrjkjrlkj329> at least I think it is
[12:57] <rndstrjkjrlkj329> it was at the top of google results
[12:58] <ezra-s> rndstrjkjrlkj329: where did you install the manually compiled vim then?
[12:58] <ezra-s> I repeat, either purge it or make yourself an alias pointing to the manually compiled one
[12:59] <rndstrjkjrlkj329> I ran the make/config stuff while it was in ~/vim and then used checkinstall
[12:59] <seifer_almasy> i search help for my spacewalk server. The repo sync works on command line but not in webUI
[12:59] <rndstrjkjrlkj329> I know it is at least partially correct in that after doing that it will be vim 8 version
[13:00] <seifer_almasy> can someone help me ? or have an idea ?
[13:00] <C_minus> My laptop just froze randomly (I can't figure out what catalysed it, except maybe being under high CPU load?) and now it refuses to boot. First time trying to boot I got a Dell bios error saying "invalid configuration time and date not set" and now it only gets as far as (initramfs)
[13:00] <toolz> anyone here knows how to help into a gnome issue, my 3rd monitor appears yellow in the nvidia x server config and I cant have image on that display
[13:01] <nomike> hi
[13:01] <toolz> I got 3 monitors
[13:02] <C_minus> It said "ALERT UUID=... does not exist"
[13:03] <nomike> I'm trying to migrate from the traditional .deb based version of pac (perl auto connect; a terminal emulator) to the snappy based version. However when I run the snappy based version it seems to be in some kind of jail, which doesn't allow it to access resources outside of '/home/nomike/snap/pac-vs'. While I get the general Idea of this and can totally see the benefits, for a terminal emulator this just doesn't make sense.
[13:03] <nomike> Is there a way to turn this jail off?
[13:04] <oerheks> C_minus, sounds like an empty bios battery
[13:05] <C_minus> oerheks: wish i could pastebin you the output but I'm on a different machine to use IRC
[13:06] <oerheks> C_minus, sounds like, as you clock is reset, your boot info is wiped too, and set to sda1..
[13:06] <C_minus> It was running with power supply plugged in.
[13:06] <C_minus> oerheks: actually Windows can't boot either it doesn't appear to be an ubuntu problem :(
[13:07] <ezra-s> rndstrjkjrlkj329: you can keep going in circles
[13:08] <rndstrjkjrlkj329> ?
[13:08] <ezra-s> rndstrjkjrlkj329: meaning I already told you what you can do, but you can do the same you've done so far over and over until you decide to do something else that will solve your "issue"
[13:09] <daedeloth> is the "reinstall ubuntu" feature in the installer safe?
[13:09] <daedeloth> i kindof always just format the hard drive that contains the root directory
[13:10] <rndstrjkjrlkj329> I've been kind of trying to figure out how to do that stuff because I wasn't sure where the binaries get placed when you run those commands
[13:10] <alkisg> C_minus: boot with a live usb stick to check your disk
[13:11] <ezra-s> rndstrjkjrlkj329: config/configure scripts usually allow you specify default install path, I assume the binaries went to /usr/local... but I can only guess
[13:22] <ninjaaron> Is there some form of Ubuntu desktop ISO that can be written with dd.
[13:24] <ninjaaron> unetbootin seems to be borken on Arch. The last time I installed Ubuntu proper, I had to boot an Ubuntu MATE live image (which can be created with dd) and use the disk creator that to create the install media.
[13:25] <demophobia> anyone else unable to get netflix playing in firefox?
[13:25] <ninjaaron> Casper and whatever it is Ubuntu is doing is wonderful, I'm sure, but it would be convinient to have an iso that works with regular unix tools.
[13:26] <rndstrjkjrlkj329> So I ran apt purge and apt-get purge on the vim packages that I found and then did another check install, hopefully it sticks and doesn't reinstall it
[13:27] <demophobia> does netflix work in firefox 56 in ubuntu?
[13:27] <rndstrjkjrlkj329> Thank you for taking the time to help me
[13:27] <dyre17> Does anyone know if there is a legal reason the Canonical is able to ship Ubuntu with zfs kernel module installed, but not the zfs tools? Or if it is just a way to minimize the size of a new installation?
[13:28]  * demophobia checks https://askubuntu.com/questions/882692/netflix-on-firefox-ubuntu-16-04
[13:28] <ninjaaron> dyre17: If I understand correctly, the zfs module is added at install-time.
[13:28] <ninjaaron> They aren't *technically* shipping it.
[13:30] <demophobia> do we really have to get netflix to think firefox is chrome?
[13:30] <blacknred0> oerheks: could part of the issue be that i had ubuntu-gnome (which i just realized it hasn't been released for 17.10) and it upgraded to ubuntu-desktop?
[13:31] <blacknred0> trying recovery, but it is freezing as i try to access the menu :/
[13:31] <rndstrjkjrlkj329> Just checked with my firefox and ran netflix just fine
[13:31] <rndstrjkjrlkj329> without user agent switcher
[13:32] <demophobia> rndstrjkjrlkj329, 64 bit computer?
[13:32] <demophobia> firefox 56?
[13:32] <JediMaster> Hi everyone, is there a way to stop bind mounts being transferred in rsync, as -x doesn't pick them up? I'm nearly doubling the size of backups due to bind mounts being copied. This goes for about 50 servers, so ideally something easily scriptable would help. Thanks
[13:32] <rndstrjkjrlkj329> 64 bit yes, let me check version
[13:32] <rndstrjkjrlkj329> yes 56
[13:32] <demophobia> i've got 32 bit
[13:32] <demophobia> dunno if that makes a difference, but given that chrome no longer supports 32 bit, perhaps it might ...
[13:33] <C_minus> oerheks, alkisg: In case you're interested I fixed it (I vaguely remembered something like this had happened in the past) It had somehow reset itself to RAID mode instead of AHCI, and was thus unable to detect the hard drive. I have had lots of problems relating to RAID/AHCI in the past, especially when I first got the computer and needed to switch to AHCI mode to install Ubuntu.
[13:33] <zoli__> Hello, after deleting /etc/NetworkManager/ and reinstalling then restarting networkmanager and rebooting, I didnt have eth0, not even if I edit its config and changing to: managed=true
[13:33] <dyre17> ninjaaron: Do you mean 'install time' as in after installing the packages?
[13:33] <C_minus> So I just went into BIOS settings and flicked that switch back to AHCI.
[13:33] <zoli__> how can I make it work again? I could only get back internet with manually configiration of eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces
[13:35] <rndstrjkjrlkj329> I have to go afk for a bit but the drm setting in preferences would also be a possible thing that makes a difference
[13:35] <cristian_c> hi
[13:36] <cristian_c> when I use mozplugger, opening pdf files, I notice a strange behaviour about input events. If I use arrow keys on keyboard, they don't work, but if I use the mouse wheel scrolling, it works, instead
[13:36] <cristian_c> How could I fix the issue for embedded pdf files using it?
[13:36] <cristian_c> Any ideas?
[13:39] <sruli> my ssh key on remote machine is in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys ?
[13:42] <ninjaaron> dyre17: I mean I'm pretty sure there is some kind of dkms thing going on in the background, so the ZFS code isn't even loaded into the kernel unless you choose to use it for your filesystem.
[13:42] <tomreyn> sruli: that's where you'll place it to authenticate against it, yes
[13:42] <ninjaaron> i.e. it's loaded as part of the install process.
[13:42] <sruli> tomreyn: so if i misplaced my ssh key that what i delete, right?
[13:43] <dyre17> ninjaaron: On a fresh install of 16.04 or later , do a 'modprobe zfs' then 'lsmod | grep zfs'
[13:43] <dyre17> You'll see zfs
[13:44] <tomreyn> sruli: yes, or you'd restore your ssh secret key from your backup and keep using it.
[13:45] <sruli> tomreyn: might be compromised.. need to delte
[13:45] <tomreyn> thatmakes sense then, yes
[13:45] <sruli> thanks
[13:47] <blacknred0> if i wanted to roll back from 17.10 to 17.04... is my best solution to do a clean install?
[13:48] <hateball> blacknred0: it's the only way to land you in a releas that goes EOL in 3 months
[13:48] <sruli> ubuntu yet released security update for krackattack?
[13:48] <hateball> sruli: It was released on monday
[13:48] <sruli> thanks
[13:49] <blacknred0> hateball: ok, thanks! i'm going to wait until ubuntu-gnome team releases 17.10 .... i think since packages were not available it reverted to ubunt-desktop and everything literally takes 10 mins :O
[13:54] <ninjaaron> dyre17: oh my.
[13:54] <sruli> hateball: i read the krackattacks.com site and there seems to be a contradiction .. in Q & A end of first paragraph it states "/...both the client and AP must be patched to defend against all attacks!" however later in paragraph "What if there are no security updates for my router?" it states "...and does not exploit access points, but instead targets clients. So it might be that your router does not require security updates." which is true or what am i misund
[13:56] <Minnen> https://www.rmit.edu.au/news/all-news/2017/oct/liquid-metal-breakthrough
[14:04] <sruli> i read the krackattacks.com site and there seems to be a contradiction .. in Q & A end of first paragraph it states "/...both the client and AP must be patched to defend against all attacks!" however later in paragraph "What if there are no security updates for my router?" it states "...and does not exploit access points, but instead targets clients. So it might be that your router does not require security updates." which is true or what am i misunderstanding
[14:06] <kusfedora> is there a way to do --no-install-recommends with the desktop live iso as opposed to installing minimal iso and installing gnome later?
[14:07] <zoli__> hello, the wired section is completely missing from my gnome-control-center / Network  settings
[14:07] <zoli__> i have only vpn and proxy
[14:07] <zoli__> how can i add it back?
[14:07] <oerheks> sruli, it is true,  updates will assure a key is only installed once, preventing our attack. despite the router is patched or not
[14:08] <zoli__> maybe I deleted a pacakge? which one does contain the wired section?
[14:08] <zoli__> i have tried already to reinstall network-manager
[14:08] <sruli> oerheks: so the first statement is false? ("...both the client and AP must be patched to defend against all attacks!")
[14:09] <zybell> sruli: The keyword is 'all'. There are attacks against the router.
[14:09] <zybell> But they steal only connections
[14:09] <sruli> zybell: obviously but the key here is this particular attack
[14:11] <oerheks> sruli, it is conflicting, this info. if the router must be patched too, there should be lists available of routers that are not patched, all i read is about the client
[14:12] <sruli> on Draytek site info page "If you use a DrayTek wireless product (router or access point) and you are only using it as the wireless base, (i.e. to provide WiFi to your portable devices) then it is not vulnerable to 'Krack' and a patch/update is not necessary for that operation.
[14:12] <sruli>  Wireless WAN is a feature of more recent DrayTek routers whereby the router gets its Internet access not from Broadband but from a secondary WiFi feed/hotspot/base. If you are using Wireless WAN then the vulnerability will be present as the router is a WiFi client in that scenario.  "
[14:12] <zybell> This particular attack is 4 attacks of the same principle. Agains different targets. Some of them routers.
[14:13] <sruli> question is if i update my client but connect to a public wifi (dont know if its patched) am i vulnerable? can i use public wifi again?
[14:13] <zybell> yes
[14:14] <oerheks> not vulnerable, yes you can use it, but open wifi, use a VPN for serious work
[14:14] <sruli> not according to the article.. that's why its confusing
[14:14] <zybell> Obviously not to both Questions
[14:15] <troozers> Hi Guru's... couple of issues with Ubuntu 17.10; first is no icons on desktop.  I have 3 monitors attached with nvidia card, and no desktop icons are appearing. have configured them in Gnome Tweaks
[14:15] <sruli> thanks all
[14:16] <zybell> If its your AP and you dont want porns with your name on the net, YOU SHOULD PATCH!
[14:18] <sruli> and if no patch is available, dump the AP?
[14:19] <zybell> YES or love the porns:)
[14:19] <sruli> love the porns
[14:19] <leftyfb> Wireless AP's do not need to be patched against KRACK unless you are utilizing FT-PSK.
[14:20] <sruli> now i am confused again
[14:21] <leftyfb> If you look at the patches, that is the only patch that applies to AP's (hostap)
[14:21] <leftyfb> If you're not using FT-PSK (you're not), then don't worry about your router/AP
[14:21] <leftyfb> That said, keeping your wireless devices up to date is always a good idea
[14:22] <kusfedora> what is ft-psk?
[14:23] <kusfedora> can my router update itself?
[14:24] <leftyfb> kusfedora: FT is for Fast Roaming. Typically in an environment where you have people/devices moving between multiple wireless AP's
[14:24] <kusfedora> ah I just have one
[14:24] <leftyfb> kusfedora: as for your router updating itself, that's dependent on your router. Read it's documentation.
[14:24] <leftyfb> or contact it's support
[14:24] <leftyfb> all of which are beyond the scope of this support channel
[14:24] <kusfedora> it is a verizon fios router but it seems I am unaffected anyway
[14:25] <leftyfb> kusfedora: you aren't
[14:25] <zybell> dont look at the patches. Read the source. That is the academic article. There is a far-fetched (the timing is tricky) possibility against DHCP over WLAN.
[14:25] <leftyfb> I mean, your router isn't affected
[14:25] <kusfedora> btw, any idea about the --no-install-recommends?
[14:25] <kusfedora> is there a way to do --no-install-recommends with the desktop live iso as opposed to installing minimal iso and installing gnome later?
[14:26] <leftyfb> zybell: right, all the researches said it's too difficult to implement and isn't worth the time of exploit writers to attempt
[14:27] <zybell> And we  know that someday theexploits turn up (aircrack)
[14:28] <leftyfb> zybell: This of course pertains to the average consumer. Nobody is going to spend the time trying to exploit joe shmoe outside their house. Now as for enterprise systems, I do recommend patching when available.
[14:29] <troozers> Is anyone else seeing weird logitech keyboard issues with Ubuntu 17.10?  Sometimes it seems to lag a second behind typing and then repeats the last key typed
[14:29] <bigpic> any idea when ubuntu will roll in the latest builds for ZFS/ZOL ?  We’re getting far behind
[14:29] <zybell> leftyfb: Wardriving? If the tool is avail, script kiddies will use it.
[14:30] <akik> bigpic: what's the zfs.ko version on 17.10 do you know?
[14:31] <bigpic> v0.6.5.6
[14:31] <leftyfb> zybell: from my understanding, the exploit takes too long for wardriving to work properly
[14:31] <zybell> It may be that the tool will be developed against enterprise, but used?
[14:32] <joem86> Hello. I've noticed that my workstation has mouse/keyboard input issues with the "lowlatency" kernel (as if the polling rate becomes extremely slow). The standard kernel works fine. What is the best way to report this issue?
[14:32] <akik> bigpic: on 16.04 it's already 0.6.5.9-2
[14:32] <joem86> Sorry, ubuntu 17.10
[14:32] <fa> fa
[14:33] <fa> fa
[14:33] <zybell> leftyfb: that was the defense against aircrack too? And now?
[14:33] <bigpic> zol is at 0.7.3
[14:33] <bigpic> there are some bug fixes that i need
[14:34] <oerheks> bigpc but 'stable' is 0.6.5.11
[14:34] <de-facto> what is the recommended upgrade path from "Ubuntu Gnome 17.04 amd64" to 17.10?
[14:34] <troozers> Hi joem86 i am also having keyboard issues, but that's on the normal kernel
[14:34] <leftyfb> zybell: By the time the exploit is perfected to the point of being usable, most routers would have been patched or thrown out because most routers are complete garbage to begin with :)
[14:34] <oerheks> Defaultti, just hit updates, you have an extra button to upgrade to 17.10
[14:34] <de-facto> is it all automagically taken care of, or would i have to switch from ubuntu gnome to normal ubuntu?
[14:35] <oerheks> de-facto, ^^
[14:35] <de-facto> so its all taken care of in background with no extra fiddling?
[14:35] <leftyfb> my point is, people don't need to freak out if there's no patch for their router because at the moment, nobody is going to exploit it using anything involved with KRACK
[14:35] <oerheks> bigpic, then build it yourself?
[14:36] <bigpic> yea i’m going to have to go that route
[14:37] <oerheks>  https://launchpad.net/~zfs-native/+archive/ubuntu/daily gives 7.1.1 and  https://launchpad.net/~jonathonf/+archive/ubuntu/zfs 0.7.3
[14:37] <de-facto> I am asking because of this here : https://ubuntugnome.org/blog/#post-972
[14:37] <de-facto> ..."As a result of this decision there will no longer be a separate GNOME flavor of Ubuntu. The development teams from both Ubuntu GNOME and Ubuntu Desktop will be merging resources and focusing on a single combined release, that provides the best of both GNOME and Ubuntu. "...
[14:38] <bigpic> oerhecks: thx
[14:38] <de-facto> ..."For normal release users, this upgrade should happen with the release of 17.10."...
[14:38] <de-facto> so I just hit upgrade with nothing extra to be done in advance?
[14:39] <oerheks> de-facto, jups, and if you want the more upstream version, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/ReleaseNotes/#install
[14:40] <oerheks> Install gnome-session or if you want 'plain' gnome,  install the vanilla-gnome-desktop metapackage.
[14:41] <oerheks> too much choise :-D
[14:41] <de-facto> so will this switch me from GNOME flavor to plain Ubuntu flavor then?
[14:41] <oerheks> ehm, technical yes, ubuntu's gnome
[14:42] <de-facto> ok thx
[14:43] <akik> oerheks: isn't gnome-session already the vanilla gnome?
[14:44] <oerheks> akik i thought gnome-session is the old ubuntu-gnome?
[14:44] <akik> i just remember reading about it earlier
[14:44] <pmitros> I have a funny situation. I have an Ubuntu server. It's running dnsmasq. If I plug into it with a wire, my laptop does fine both connecting to it and accessing web pages on it (gets a DHCP lease, etc.). If I plug in a UniFi wireless access point to it, the access point connects via DHCP. A laptop on wifi gets DHCP, but cannot access any resources on it.
[14:44] <pmitros> If I try to connect to port 80, it just times out.
[14:45] <pmitros> Any idea how I'd go about debugging?
[14:45] <nicomachus> pmitros: make sure the port's open. sounds like an issue for ##networking though
[14:46] <akik> "Of course it's possible to use default GNOME shell on Ubuntu. Simply install the gnome-session package via apt or gnome-software, logout and choose the "GNOME" session from the login manager." https://wiki.gnome.org/UbuntuMigrationToGNOME
[14:47] <pmitros> The port is open on the server. Again, if I just plug in an ethernet wire, it works fine.
[14:47] <nicomachus> pmitros: but you're talking about a separate AP that doesn't work, which probably has it's own firewall rules.
[14:48] <nicomachus> pmitros: you can check your iptables rules but beyond that it's probably not an ubuntu issue.
[14:49] <pmitros> I'm looking around the AP to see if there's a firewall.
[14:52] <elena_> qwe
[14:56] <caibilmg> hi
[14:57] <MacroMan> Is it possible to make my user a root user so I don't need to keep typing sudo before commands? (I'm aware of the risks, this is on an isolated virtual machine only)
[14:58] <nicomachus> MacroMan: you could just log in as root
[14:58] <MacroMan> Is there a default password for root? I don't recall setting it when I installed the machine
[14:59] <ansivirus> MacroMan, you would need to set one or sudo su
[14:59] <oerheks> It is possible, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[15:00] <linuxconformer> am I a bad boy?
[15:00] <caibilmg> Hi, somobody can help me?
[15:00] <oerheks> i am not helping than giving you the wiki
[15:00] <nicomachus> !ask | caibilmg
[15:00] <oerheks> !ot > linuxconformer
[15:04] <rohan_> anyone else getting checksum mismatch on updates and security? Tried on Zesty and Aartful. Local mirrors and ubuntu archives.
[15:04] <nacc> MacroMan: you can also just do `sudo -s -H` to become root temporarily
[15:05] <nacc> rohan_: Artful is working for me
[15:05] <oerheks> rohan_, known issue when the mirror is being updated, try again in a few minutes
[15:05] <MacroMan> I've been doing 'sudo -i', but I lose all auto colours in the terminal and some autocomplete no longer seems to work
[15:05] <caibilmg> Thx! I have the issue that I installed the Ubuntu 17.10 on my Asus TP201SA and de screen is turn on left (my laptop is a tablet too and has acelerometer) so the only way I can see my screen normal y turn the laptop right and block the rotation, ¿what can I do for have my screen in normal position when my laptop is en normal position? I speak spanish, so sorry for my bad engilsh
[15:06] <MacroMan> So really I was looking for a method to make my user have the same power as logging in as root.
[15:06] <lordcirth_work> MacroMan, does sudo -s work better?
[15:07] <MacroMan> lordcirth_work: Ah cool. It's kept my aliases from bashrc too
[15:07] <MacroMan> That works nicely. Thank you
[15:08] <rohan_> well you can run sudo -s or su command as startup command in terminal
[15:08] <lordcirth_work> MacroMan, nice.  Yeah, so -i opens a root shell as if you had logged in as root; whereas -s is equivalent to 'sudo $SHELL' ie 'sudo /bin/bash'
[15:08] <MacroMan> I see.
[15:08] <lordcirth_work> rohan, that could break other things, files would get created as root, etc
[15:09] <MacroMan> Actually, trying to login as a root user was overkill, sudo -s is perfect
[15:09] <lordcirth_work> MacroMan, good.  I use it a lot
[15:11] <MacroMan> I've spent hours trying to get a collectd, influxdb and grafana setup working. Really need a break.
[15:13] <C_minus> My friend just switched from Nvidia drivers to Intel integrated graphics drivers. Then after rebooting he is unable to get into Ubuntu. It hangs on a black screen with a tiny cursor at the top left, and doesn't seem to respond to keys
[15:13] <darkad> Hi all
[15:14] <maszlo> I have a strange issue after upgrade to 17.10.   The notebook only fully boots when AC powered. on first attempt to boot while on battery i get this https://s1.postimg.org/70a965z0sf/IMAG2859.jpg and on following attempts to boot on battery get these https://s1.postimg.org/4lejsacu5r/IMAG2860.jpg
[15:15] <darkad> Could be "ubuntu server" a starting point to install most minimal ubuntu on a desktop computer?
[15:15] <maszlo> Yesterday was directed by TJ to try and force the acpi_osi to use windows, but not seeing any change in the results today
[15:15] <nicomachus> maszlo: looks like a kernel panic
[15:16] <nicomachus> darkad: yes. There's also a minimal install
[15:16] <MacroMan> darkad: Sure. Nothing stopping you if you know what packages to install
[15:16] <nicomachus> darkad: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[15:17] <MacroMan> darkad: Or if you want to get your hands dirty with a very minimal install, take a look at http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
[15:17] <darkad> nicomachus, I agree but I have to wait the download of every single package
[15:17] <lordcirth_work> MacroMan, any tips for that?
[15:17] <lordcirth_work> MacroMan, grafana etc, I mean
[15:17] <nicomachus> darkad: yea it does download a lot of packages after install, but IIRC you can stop those.
[15:18] <maszlo> nicomachus: any ideas why it would only do this on battery power?  I have updated the bios and added acpi_os1=! acpt_osi=Windows 2015 to the Grub_cmdline_linux
[15:18] <MacroMan> lordcirth_work: It's failry new to me, so I'm mainly trying to understand all the teminology etc
[15:18] <nicomachus> maszlo: low power from the battery would be my guess, but that's tough
[15:18] <rohan_> maszlo on the second image looks like your system is having issues bringing up network services. That isn't issue here. But it also has issue bringing up colord.service.. Can you login to console?
[15:19] <MacroMan> lordcirth_work: I'm working off some guides atm: http://www.techietown.info/2016/12/monitoring-servers-with-collectd-influxdb-grafana/ https://sweetcode.io/getting-started-grafana-influxdb/
[15:19] <codepython777> how do i add a path to /etc/environment - if that path is not already there - in bash?
[15:19] <lordcirth_work> MacroMan, thanks
[15:19] <maszlo> rohan_: yeah i can get to another tty and login but not everything is up, almost appears that stuff is readonly
[15:19] <basalt> hi, since 17.10 my network-mananger timedout on shutdown, also on close the laptop and open again there is no connection only a hard reboot will solve, any hints?
[15:19] <darkad> MacroMan, I was wondering about lfs but it's a little bit longer than ubuntu server
[15:19] <lordcirth_work> codepython777, you want an automated way that will only run if it needs to?
[15:20] <MacroMan> darkad: lfs is for when you have a lot of spare time to learn
[15:20] <nicomachus> darkad: server is a great place to start. It has all the necessary stuff, and then you can just install a minimal DE if you want.
[15:20] <rohan_> what does the log say if you manually try to bring up thing? maszlo
[15:20] <maszlo> nicomachus: not a dead battery, both internal and external on the lenovo T450s are charged
[15:20] <codepython777> lordcirth_work: yes, thanks
[15:20] <maszlo> rohan_:  it complains about things being in read only
[15:20] <nicomachus> maszlo: not dead, but maybe not providing enough voltage.
[15:20] <rohan_> emergency terminal?
[15:21] <lordcirth_work> codepython777, can you give me an example path you want to add?
[15:21] <waltman> I just upgraded to artful and I'm figuring out the new desktop. Is it possible to organize virtual desktops in a grid like before?
[15:21] <maszlo> rohan_: like i said though i can boot as long as AC cable is attached
[15:21] <maszlo> not sure what i would be doing in emergency term
[15:21] <waltman> Or at least add more than 3?
[15:22] <nicomachus> waltman: try hitting your windows key
[15:22] <nicomachus> waltman: they should be on the right side pane over there
[15:22] <codepython777> lordcirth_work: /opt/bin
[15:22] <waltman> I've got a mac keyboard
[15:22] <nicomachus> waltman: well then whatever the Super key is
[15:23] <nicomachus> is it CMD on Macs or something?
[15:23] <waltman> OK, the command key shows them, but doesn't indicate how to add more or to organize them differently.
[15:23] <nicomachus> drag and drop to re-order
[15:24] <nicomachus> I'm not sure about adding another. I've never used workspaces.
[15:24] <waltman> Drag and drop doesn't do anything
[15:24] <waltman> I looked for something in the release notes about this, but couldn't find anything.
[15:24] <darkad> nicomachus, are there the same repositories with ubuntu desktop?
[15:24] <nicomachus> darkad: yes.
[15:25] <nicomachus> darkad: it's the same OS, it just doesn't have xorg/wayland or a DE or WM
[15:25] <nicomachus> no graphical stuff.
[15:25] <lordcirth_work> codepython777, so, files placed as /etc/profile.d/*.sh are read by new shells.  So you could drop the file in there, only if it doesn't exist.
[15:25] <maszlo> waltman: i think you might want to check extensions to see if someone developed what you are dreaming up https://extensions.gnome.org/
[15:25] <basalt> anybody else has problems with network manager after 17-10 update?
[15:25] <rohan_> maszio whats your GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX(_DEFAULT) params?
[15:25] <lordcirth_work> Or be lazy and > it every time; technically it wouldn't hurt :P
[15:25] <nicomachus> basalt: try telling us what your problem is instead of taking a poll. Maybe someone here can help.
[15:26] <waltman> maszlo: I'm not "dreaming it up". This was trivial to set up in the old window manager.
[15:27] <basalt> nicomachus: since 17.10 my network-mananger timedout on shutdown, also on close the laptop and open again there is no connection only a hard reboot will solve
[15:27] <darkad> nicomachus, MacroMan , thank you!
[15:27] <maszlo> rohan_: currently its still at what TJ- pointed me to yesterday.  its GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=" acpi_osi=! \"acpi_osi=Windows 2015\""
[15:27] <nacc> waltman: to do grid, you need an extension
[15:27] <caibilmg> any way to rotate my screen? after installin ubuntu 17.10 my screen is on its left side like this https://photos.app.goo.gl/xQBEcAZR08sfqxPJ2
[15:27] <waltman> How about to just add a 4th desktop?
[15:28] <nacc> waltman: search for one from the tweak tool
[15:28] <nicomachus> basalt: ok, let's check out the driver you're running. What does `lshw -C network` show? Can you paste the output to a pastebin (paste.ubuntu.com) and link here?
[15:28] <nacc> waltman: i believe by default, worksapces are dynamic, make it static and change the number
[15:28] <waltman> So you get 3 and that's it?
[15:28] <maszlo> waltman: sorry for those choice of words.  for customizability of that stuff in gnome extensions is still good place to look
[15:28] <nacc> waltman: again, in the tweak tool
[15:28] <waltman> what's the tweak tool?
[15:28] <nacc> !info gnome-tweak-tool
[15:29] <nicomachus> caibilmg: maybe this can help: https://askubuntu.com/questions/95812/how-can-i-rotate-my-display-in-the-most-easy-way#95825
[15:29]  * nacc wonders if that should get updated to artful now
[15:29] <codepython777> lordcirth_work: Thank you. Let me try that!
[15:29] <nicomachus> nacc: yea probably.
[15:30] <waltman> ah, there we go.
[15:30] <waltman> Having 3 desktops with no obvious way to add more seems a really poor design.
[15:30] <nicomachus> waltman: gnome-tweak-tool and extensions.gnome.org are going to be your new best friends.
[15:30] <maszlo> waltman: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/820/minimum-workspaces/ is it setting the min the issue you have?
[15:31] <basalt> nicomachus: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25779466/
[15:31] <waltman> Thanks, I found that setting
[15:32] <nicomachus> basalt: ok, and this is the wireless device that's giving you trouble, right
[15:32] <basalt> nicomachus: jap
[15:32] <rohan_> try removing acpi_osi line or with =Linux maszlo although i dont think that should be an issue, A try never hurts...
[15:33] <nicomachus> basalt: ok. And this worked before you upgraded to 17.10?
[15:34] <maszlo> rohan_:  Okay will give that a shot.  i was using this http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html which TJ- provided yesterday.  never had an issue like this in the previous years of owning this notebook, new to 17.10
[15:34] <maszlo> bugs are just undocumented features i suppose
[15:34] <basalt> nicomachus: it took around 20 seconds after open the laptop to reconnect, but it worked. also shutdown took long, but it finished, but after upgrade its not working anymore even if i wait long
[15:35] <nicomachus> basalt: ok. That's a new-ish driver so there may still be some bugs to work out, but let's make sure everything is properly installed and up to date.
[15:35] <Guest26442> I can't make my network brother scanner to work on ubuntu 17.10 and 16.04. can anyone help me?
[15:36] <nicomachus> basalt: `sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade && sudo apt install build-essential`
[15:38] <basalt> nicomachus: 0 aktualisiert, 0 neu installiert, 0 zu entfernen und 0 nicht aktualisiert. looks fine, so nothing to update or install
[15:38] <maszlo> rohan_: I know that it does the same thing with the line blank as that is where i started from.  I changed the acpi_osi=Linux and does similar thing, black screen after grub, can crtl+alt+F7 to where it stopped
[15:39] <nicomachus> basalt: are you on that machine now or a different one?
[15:41] <nicomachus> basalt: I want to try to replicate the problem and then see if dmesg shows us any useful error messages.
[15:41] <basalt> nicomachus: i am on the box so reproduce will disconnect me from this channel
[15:42] <basalt> nicomachus: but i can try and provide you the infos afterwards, just tell me how to do
[15:43] <maszlo> rohan_: with its set to linux this is the point where it stops. https://s1.postimg.org/8qcg9sygbz/IMAG2862.jpg
[15:44] <nicomachus> basalt: ok. Do whatever you need to do to replicate the problem, then whenever the firmware has crashed or whatever it is, type `dmesg`. You will get a lot of output. Save that somewhere, and then whenever you get the connection back again upload to a pastebin and link here.
[15:44] <rohan_> The problem must lie somewhere else cause if it worked fine previously then DSDT shouldnt be an issue but i would set it to windows 2012 nonetheless.
[15:44] <nicomachus> basalt: `dmesg` in a terminal, obviously.
[15:45] <waltman> Another odd thing. Sometimes when I start an application from the command line, the window appears partially behind my terminal. Is there a setting to have them always appear on top?
[15:46] <basalt> nicomachus: thx, cu soon
[15:46] <maszlo> rohan_: when its two words, should I have that in quotes or what?  was not seeing an example
[15:47] <nicomachus> waltman: I believe that's in tweak tool too.
[15:47] <nicomachus> lemme check
[15:47] <maszlo> also have not figured this one out.. my grub is set to a 3 second time out.  once this irregularity happens it will boot with it 30 second time out for a single boot.  I am not sure why its changing at all or if this means something
[15:48] <nicomachus> waltman: I think it's in Tweak Tool under Windwos > Automatically Raise Windows
[15:49] <waltman> nicomachus: I don't see that as an option. There's "Raise window when focused"
[15:49] <rohan_> AFAIK no quotes should work maszlo
[15:50] <rohan_> if it doesn't you can remove it in grub edit mode. Not actually sure about it.
[15:51] <foca__> CRITICAL: Unable to create a DBus proxy for GnomeScreensaver: Error calling StartServiceByName for org.gnome.ScreenSaver: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildExited: Process org.gnome.ScreenSaver exited with status 1
[15:51] <nicomachus> waltman: maybe it's in dconf-editor then. org > desktop > wm > preferences > "auto-raise", "focus mode", and "focus new windows" takes care of that functionality.
[15:51] <foca__> What this error could be ?
[15:51] <foca__> GNOME Shell 3.26.1 Ubuntu 17.10
[15:53] <nicomachus> foca__: looks like it's related to gdm
[15:53] <rohan_> your screensaver manager exited. Probably invalid args due to update. reconfigure your screensaver should fix.
[15:53] <waltman> nicomachus: org and desktop are at the same level in dconf-editor
[15:54] <nicomachus> waltman: I typed that as a tree. org then desktop
[15:54] <nicomachus> there's a "desktop" nested under org
[15:54] <nicomachus> waltman: oh shoot my bad. org > gnome > desktop
[15:54] <waltman> Do you mean org/gnome/desktop?
[15:54] <basalt> nicomachus: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25779551/
[15:54] <maszlo> rohan_: same thing :(
[15:56] <waltman> It's "smart", which is an odd way to spell "dumb".
[15:56] <foca__> nicomachus: Maybe, after upgraded it is taking a little longer to start
[15:58] <rohan_> can you paste your systemd log in pastebin maszlo?
[15:58] <nicomachus> basalt: looking.
[15:58] <maszlo> rohan-:will need to be after reboot while on AC, but yes
[15:59] <waltman> So the only way to not have some of my new windows appear behind my desktop is to install dconf-editor, drill down 6 levels, then change the setting from "smart" to something else? This sounds like a bad joke.
[16:01] <nicomachus> basalt: I'm not really seeing any errors that are out of the ordinary here... this is a head scratcher.
[16:01] <rohan_> have you tried ACPI=off yet maszlo?
[16:01] <nicomachus> waltman: welcome to gnome. like it or not. not our problem. This is Linux, you can switch whenver you want.
[16:02] <maszlo> rohan_: i have not tried that, where would that be set?
[16:02] <basalt> nicomachus: i captured the dmesg while offline and while the network manager tries to startup/shutdown
[16:03] <nicomachus> basalt: I see the shutdown, but there aren't any errors for the wifi chipset, driver, nothing.
[16:03] <rohan_> in GRUB_CMDLINE
[16:03] <rohan_> insstead of acpi_osi try with acpi=off
[16:03] <rohan_> but that might result in something else breaking. If nothing breaks, well and good!
[16:04] <nicomachus> basalt: I can see where network manager timed out on shutdown, but that shouldn't be a real problem.
[16:04] <basalt> nicomachus: i closed the laptop. wait 1 min open laptop, and was frozen for 1 minute, than enter terminal and do the dmesg
[16:05] <basalt> nicomachus: i guess if i close the laptop, the manager tries to shutdown, and this take forever, and if i open again, the manager is in an "wrong" state
[16:05] <maszlo> rohan_: at first i worried about this killing my battery, but was not hard in testing.  It does the same thing.
[16:06] <maszlo> rohan_: going back in for log, this is just the syslog, or looking for something else with systemd.  sorry if is stupid question, thought they were tied together
[16:07] <rohan_> so even acpi=off has same issue? weird.
[16:07] <rohan_> journalctl > /some/file
[16:07] <rohan_> and then upload the file
[16:07] <basalt> nicomachus: i also tried to capture what happen on normal shutdown, and networkmanager and WPA supplicant had problems to shutdown correclty
[16:07] <nicomachus> yes I see that.
[16:08] <waltman> nicomachus: I get it, but I find it hard to believe the gnome community thinks this is how things are supposed to work.
[16:08] <basalt> nicomachus: i also tried "echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs" disables this message. but this was only preventing the message but not the root cause
[16:08] <nicomachus> waltman: believe it or not, the gnome community knows what they're doing and the things you're complaining about are not a high priority. You're getting used to the difference between Unity and Gnome. You'll be fine.
[16:09] <nicomachus> basalt: yea we don't want to hidethe system without treating the disease first. :D
[16:09] <waltman> I've been using X for over 20 years, and I've never seen a window manager that intentionally puts new windows behind the terminal.
[16:09] <waltman> Not even CDE did that!
[16:10] <the-dingo> Im getting 'timed out waiting for IPv6 router advertisement' from NetworkManager logs after getting a random wired disconnection. Some help with that?
[16:10] <scootergrisen> Can someone tell me where in the translations the follow string from the ubuntu installer can be found/translated: "Install third-party softwarea for graphics and Wi-Fi hardware, MP3 and
[16:10] <scootergrisen> other media"
[16:10] <rohan_> its the gnome way (TM)
[16:11] <basalt> nicomachus: and in need the network manager? or is there a way to pass by it, hardcoded entries in some configs? I only use 1 wlan endpoint or at most 3 but not very often
[16:11] <maszlo> rohan_: here is the log https://pastebin.com/zqLxRDYJ  yeah same result with it turned off
[16:11] <nicomachus> basalt: there are alternatives to network-manager but I'm not familiar with them. You can try to rebuild the driver, I'm seeing some intersting ways of doing that.
[16:12] <nicomachus> basalt: this is interesting: https://askubuntu.com/questions/790765/wi-fi-firmware-crashing-in-ubuntu-16-04?rq=1
[16:12] <nicomachus> basalt: I'd like to get a second pair of eyes on your dmesg just in case I missed something, but none of the usual suspects are here at the moment.
[16:13] <nicomachus> scootergrisen: what is your native language? or what are you trying to translate to?
[16:13] <scootergrisen> danish danish
[16:14] <nicomachus> !danish | scootergrisen maybe they can help here? if anyone is in there.
[16:14] <rohan_> was this boot with all flags removed? i see no kernel flags in the args passed
[16:15] <maszlo> rohan_: i am making the change in /etc/default/grub and then running update-grub  is this not the correct way to do this?
[16:15] <maszlo> the last boot still has GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="acpi=off"
[16:16] <nicomachus> basalt: I'm stepping out for lunch. keep an eye out for nacc or TJ- in here, they're good with driver problems IIRC
[16:16] <rohan_> yup that is the right way. do you have any arguments in GRUB_CMDLINE (& _DEFAULT)? Cause the paste has none of those...
[16:16] <basalt> nicomachus: thx a lot, and enjoy the lunch
[16:16] <maszlo> rohan_: i have nothing in the DEFAULT line
[16:19] <maszlo> rohan_: this is current grub https://pastebin.com/vefpj2CP
[16:19] <rohan_> Oct 20 12:06:06 T450s kernel: Command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.8.0-37-generic.efi.signed root=UUID=9cf758af-3aa8-4e6c-a489-ada9b4e38736 ro Nothing is applied. That might be the issue
[16:19] <scootergrisen> Are there some easy way to download all the ubuntu translation files or search them all online?
[16:19] <rohan_> yup///
[16:19] <rohan_> try update-grub2 instead.
[16:20] <akik> update-grub2 is the same as update-grub (sym link)
[16:21] <maszlo> akik: was just going to report got the same thing so that makes sense
[16:22] <akik> maszlo: the syntax if /etc/default/grub is GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="acpi_osi=\"Windows 2015\""
[16:22] <Elminster> Hey folks. I'm wondering. I have to host my own website at home for privacy and content control. But I don't know how to make my IP static. Locally, on my network, yes, it's done. But for the rest of the Internet? I can't find out how... anyoine experienced in that?
[16:22] <maszlo> akik: should be on the DEFAULT line not the other?
[16:23] <adrian_1908> Hello, anyone here experienced with Nvidia proprietary drivers? I'd like to pass them to a container and was wondering if the contents of `/usr/lib/nvidia-384` (my version) suffice, or if the driver may need other files in some cases?
[16:23] <tomreyn> Elminster: that's something you'll need to discuss with your internet provider
[16:23] <akik> maszlo: not really sure, i use GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT. you can check after boot with "cat /proc/cmdline"
[16:23] <Kendo_Cocaine> or use ddns
[16:24] <maszlo> I dont have faith that grub is fully working after upgrade.  or accepting its config for that matter
[16:24] <tomreyn> Elminster: there are workarounds, as Kendo_Cocaine just suggested. 'ddns' or 'dyndns' is a term which is used to refer to a service which maps a static domain name to your (chaning) public ip address.
[16:24] <akik> maszlo: askubuntu.com page mentions that GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT would not be used for recovery modes in grub
[16:25] <akik> https://askubuntu.com/questions/575651/what-is-the-difference-between-grub-cmdline-linux-and-grub-cmdline-linux-default
[16:27] <rohan_> does the changes reflect in /boot/grub/grub.cfg after update-grub?
[16:27] <basalt> nacc: can you have a look on the http://paste.ubuntu.com/25779466/ and http://paste.ubuntu.com/25779551/ because my wireless network manager has problems in shutdown and restart
[16:27] <rohan_> or as akik said /proc/cmdline after boot
[16:28] <maszlo> akik: any idea what would not have grub listen to this at all?  maybe start with default and have update-grub process?
[16:28] <akik> maszlo: what do you mean grub listen? update-grub will read /etc/default/grub and create /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[16:29] <nacc> basalt: i'll look
[16:30] <rohan_> akik if you look at the paste above, the arguments weren't being passed to kernel by grub. only arguments was ro.
[16:30] <rohan_> also why ro?
[16:31] <akik> rohan_: could you check what's in /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grub.cfg ?
[16:31] <maszlo> akik: well i have tried quite a number of acpi_osi options and have checked cat /proc/cmdline and never saw anything change. after numerous reboots on battery and connect to AC it almost looks like it uses some other grub config as my timeout is not what it shows (my 3 sec vs it shows 30sec)
[16:31] <akik> rohan_: oh scratch that, sorry
[16:32] <akik> maszlo: on uefi systems there's /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grub.cfg. check what's in there
[16:32] <rohan_> just redirect to /boot/grub
[16:33] <akik> maszlo: you can re-install grub package if it's somehow now in a state that's not working
[16:34] <xzd> Hey, guys! My computer costs long time to start. I entered systemd-analyze. Output: Startup finished in 3.337s (firmware) + 2.758s (loader) + 13.997s (kernel) + 3min 2.920s (userspace) = 3min 23.014s
[16:34] <xzd> any one know the problem?
[16:35] <rohan_> xzd systemd-analyze blame to see what is taking time to start?
[16:36] <SchrodingersScat> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of grub-efi-amd64-signed:
[16:36] <SchrodingersScat> ^ during upgrade :(
[16:36] <xzd>        15.842s dev-sda9.device
[16:36] <xzd>          11.233s systemd-sysctl.service
[16:36] <xzd>           9.341s systemd-udevd.service
[16:36] <xzd>           4.227s mysql.service
[16:36] <xzd>           3.681s snapd.service
[16:36] <xzd>           3.577s ModemManager.service
[16:36] <alkisg> xzd: use paste.ubuntu.com
[16:36] <alkisg> SchrodingersScat: same, paste the whole output there
[16:36] <slyrus> so I'm running into the flickering display/no graphics/nvidia-driver-hell problem but I can't reinstall the drivers as nvidia-drm is already loaded.
[16:37] <slyrus> I've stopped gdm3 but something else is keeping me from loading the driver.
[16:37] <slyrus> oh, this is on artful, of course.
[16:37] <maszlo> akik: I just cannot determine what level this issue is on
[16:37] <rohan_> xzd 'systemd-analyze blame > ~/time' to save it to file and then upload that...
[16:38] <chealy>  /join #etnaviv
[16:38] <maszlo> 3 OS on here, others boot fine when on battery
[16:39] <rohan_> maszlo the changes to arguments to linux isnt being applied
[16:39] <maszlo> rohan_: should i just try to enter these before grub boots?  edit it, or see if it knows what to do from there?
[16:39] <rohan_> yeah try that
[16:40] <rohan_> if that works, we know the solution. we just need to find a way to apply it permanently
[16:40] <maszlo> which one should i try?  acpi=off?
[16:42] <basalt> nacc: nicomachus told something that the adapter is quite new
[16:42] <maszlo> because there are no extra parameters on the linux line
[16:43] <maszlo> well well, acpi=off did make it boot normal w/o AC power
[16:46] <akik> maszlo: you can also edit the linux boot command while in grub, press e
[16:46] <maszlo> rohan_: well other than powering it off :P
[16:47] <akik> maszlo: although the syntax is a bit different "acpi_osi=Windows 2015"
[16:47] <maszlo> akik: that is what i did on this test, added acpi=off and it booted
[16:50] <nacc> basalt: I'm not sure immediately, sorry
[16:50] <nacc> basalt: if it's newer hardware, it's certainly possible it does not work yet
[16:50] <akik> maszlo: i had a typo. while in grub, press e and then enter acpi_osi="Windows 2015"
[16:51] <hfp> Hi, is there a way to get notifications when a new stable Ubuntu is released (i.e. .04 and .10)? Is there a RSS feed or something like that?
[16:51] <agoodm> Hi, I installed 17.04 when it came out on my thinkpad, I gave Gnome a try so id know what I was in for when 17.10 landed but ultimately carried on using unity.  I've updated to 17.10 as I had network related issues with 17.04.  Largely everything in gnome is working however I've ended up with what appears to be my changes in 17.04 conflicting with changes made by canonical in 17.10 meaning im missing window control theme etc.  Can I
[16:51] <agoodm>  somehow 'default' my gnome install or try to fix this somehow?
[16:52] <agoodm> hfp, it happens every year in april and october?
[16:52] <nacc> agoodm: createa  dummy user and login as that user to see if it 'just works'. If so, probably backup your user's .config and .local directories and see if your user's session now 'just works'
[16:53] <agoodm> nacc, brb then!
[16:54] <basalt> nacc: is there any way to passby the network manager? some hardcoded config?
[16:55] <nacc> hfp: you could subscribe to ubuntu-announce?
[16:55] <basalt> nacc: i do only connect to a limited amount of access points (max 3)
[16:56] <nacc> basalt: you can configure wireless in /etc/network/interfaces (probably needs to use wpa_supplicant). However, if it's a driver issue, I don't think NM is relevant
[16:56] <maszlo> akik: so adding the Windows 2015 didnt let it boot fully.. dropped to a tty and logged in and see the quotes moved to "acpi_osi=Windows 2015" rather than how i entered them from the edit in grub
[16:57] <lidong> is anyone here?
[16:57] <rohan_> both work in my experience maszlo if you have an arg with spaces
[16:57] <agoodm> nacc, No fresh user doesnt get me the Ubuntu gnome shell theme customisations - looks like default gnome shell theme to me.
[16:58] <maszlo> rohan_: tried it with Linux without any luck, going to try 2012 now
[16:58] <akik> maszlo: yes i know it's strange how " moves to the front of acpi_osi
[16:59] <akik> maszlo: but now you can test with the other values from /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT
[16:59] <rohan_> if 2015 works, pretty sure 2012 should work too 2012 is for 8 (.1) and 2015 is for win10 level.
[16:59] <basalt> nacc: and i have the latest driver for this hardware? how can i verify this?
[17:00] <maszlo> akik: other than i dont know how to make any of them stick in the config
[17:00] <agoodm> akik, rohan_ kind of amusing you're discussing windows server in here
[17:00] <akik> agoodm: it's a result of laptop manufacturers not testing with linux
[17:00] <agoodm> understandable :)
[17:00] <maszlo> rohan_: win10 is one of the 3 os on here.. and that did not work
[17:01] <maszlo> rohan_:  i mean the Windows 2015 option did not work
[17:02] <nacc> agoodm: hrm, strange
[17:03] <agoodm> Another weird thing ive noticed since 17.10 is if the monitors on my docking station go into power save I seem to get a gnome shell crash when I wake them and sign in - I see what I was doing for a split second before screen blanks and I get dumped into a 'fresh' session
[17:04] <lidong> sorry to bother you, what is HexChat used for?
[17:04] <agoodm> brb
[17:04] <maszlo> so the acpi options Linux, Windows 2015, Windows 2012 do not work
[17:04] <rohan_> grep /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT for "Windows". It should show what are supported.
[17:05] <[n0mad]> lidong: hexchat is an irc client
[17:08] <rohan_> akik Linux is a option in my system's table. I think sony never supported anything remotely related to linux on their systems so this is surprising.. I assumed Lenovo (especially thinkpad) which are commonly popular in community (and i guess lenovo even supports some models in enterprise environments) would be linux texted
[17:08] <rohan_> tested*
[17:08] <SchrodingersScat> alkisg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25779981/
[17:10] <akik> rohan_: i have that too on an older acer
[17:11] <alkisg> SchrodingersScat: are you booted in efi mode? ls /sys/firmware/efi
[17:11] <maszlo> In the DSDT table i have Windows 2015, 2013, 2012, 2009, 2006, 2001. like i said tried 2015 and 2012.. is there only one of these that might work?
[17:12] <rohan_> hmm. Is there any way to easily access it on windows? i have an thinkpad (with windows)
[17:12] <yellabs-r2> what the most c ommen used ( beside VIM ;) ) programming language for programming applications for the ubuntu desktop ?
[17:12] <rohan_> try grepping for Linux. IS it there too?
[17:12] <alkisg> yellabs-r2: vim is an editor. Python is a programming language. Which one are you asking for?
[17:12] <maszlo> rohan_: yes linux is there
[17:13] <yellabs-r2> the python part
[17:13] <rohan_> so =Linux should work too
[17:13] <SchrodingersScat> alkisg: yes
[17:13] <maszlo> rohan_: using this command to search.. sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep -i windows | sort
[17:13] <alkisg> yellabs-r2: ok, then python is a commonly used programming language for ubuntu desktop. Also, C and C++ are.
[17:14] <rohan_> replace windows with linux. Does it return anything?
[17:14] <maszlo> rohan_:  but it doesnt.  i edit the line in grub before booting added it from Linux, 2015, 2012 and none of them booted.
[17:14] <alkisg> SchrodingersScat: is this output from upgrading 14.04 to 16.04?
[17:14] <maszlo> rohan_: only thing that booted was acpi=off
[17:14] <SchrodingersScat> alkisg: 17.04 to 17.10
[17:14] <yellabs-r2> ok, i did see a lot of python files , but did not notice , or see hwo they would be a desktop gui program, do you have examples ?
[17:15] <alkisg> SchrodingersScat: ok, since "the upgrade was completed", now press enter and try sudo dpkg --configure -a, to see the grub errors
[17:16] <alkisg> yellabs-r2: google for "pygtk" or "pyqt" examples, those are libraries for gui programs in python
[17:17] <SchrodingersScat> alkisg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25780025/
[17:17] <yellabs-r2> yes thanks
[17:17] <hfp> nacc: Thanks, that will work
[17:17] <nacc> hfp: yw
[17:17] <yellabs-r2> i am looking into that right now
[17:18] <alkisg> SchrodingersScat: eh, no error messages that could help in troubleshooting. Anything weird about your installation?
[17:18] <pankaj_> I googled about usenet  but it was not understoodable as a whole? Can anybody please tell me how is it different and how to install it?
[17:18] <SchrodingersScat> alkisg: not afaik, encrypted, that's about it
[17:19] <alkisg> SchrodingersScat: dpkg -l '*grub*' | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:19] <alkisg> (the redirection is to avoid clipping)
[17:19] <SchrodingersScat> alkisg: http://termbin.com/x9ik
[17:20] <akik> pankaj_: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_News_Transfer_Protocol (a client application would be slrn or thunderbird
[17:21] <pankaj_> akik: Does it offers same features as email client?
[17:22] <rohan_> maszlo you said you have multiple OSs installed. Any chance your grub is generated by some other installation?
[17:22] <alkisg> SchrodingersScat: sudo nano /var/lib/dpkg/info/grub-efi-amd64.postinst ==> change "set -e" on top of it, to "set -x", then sudo dpkg --configure -a, then put the output to pastebin
[17:22] <akik> pankaj_: no it has newsgroups which contain messages
[17:23] <pankaj_> akik: So, is there any good tutorial on it on the net?
[17:24] <SchrodingersScat> alkisg: huh, that...completed, why?
[17:24] <alkisg> SchrodingersScat: we removed the error checking, but do post the output to pastebin
[17:24] <alkisg> And restore the "-e" flag for future reruns of that script
[17:24] <SchrodingersScat> alkisg: well, now sudo dpkg --configure -a does nothing
[17:25] <alkisg> Yes now it's configured, but when you did it just after the editing, didn't it display things?
[17:26] <SchrodingersScat> alkisg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25780076/
[17:29] <alkisg> SchrodingersScat: eh, too long to read it to find the failed line :D For good measure, run this: sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub-efi-amd64
[17:29] <yellabs-r2> pygtk is the old and deprecated gtk Python api ? is that true ?
[17:30] <alkisg> SchrodingersScat: but restore "set -e" first
[17:31] <SchrodingersScat> alkisg: it's asking a bunch of questions
[17:31] <alkisg> SchrodingersScat:  just press enter on them
[17:31] <alkisg> You might need to use "tab" or "space" in some dialogs
[17:31] <maszlo> rohan_: no the grub is only on this install, this drive shares ubuntu and win10 and there is a M2 ssd that has kali which is more or less daisy chained
[17:31] <SchrodingersScat> alkisg: went fine, weird
[17:32] <alkisg> SchrodingersScat: cool, you should be fine then
[17:32] <moni> There
[17:33] <Term1nal> I upgraded from 17.04 to 17.10, and something happened where it said it completed with errors. I went into recovery mode and removed nvidia packages to get it loading up.
[17:34] <Term1nal> when I went to try and dpkg --configure -a
[17:34] <Term1nal> said nothing to do
[17:34] <rohan_> try running update-grub and checking if /boot/grub/grub.cfg is modified
[17:34] <Term1nal> any time I ran apt-get it would basically say that every package on the system should be removed
[17:34] <Term1nal> so I ran apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[17:35] <Term1nal> took about 3 seconds and didn't seem to change anything exactly.
[17:35] <Term1nal> now it's booting to desktop, which is great and all, but I have to now manually put my nameserver into resolv.conf every time just to get online.
[17:35] <Term1nal> so I think my DNS is all borked
[17:35] <Term1nal> how might I go about repairing that?
[17:37] <nicomachus> Term1nal: how did you upgrade to 17.10?
[17:37] <maszlo> rohan_: yes the modified date does update on /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[17:38] <rohan_> but not the contents? maszlo
[17:38] <Term1nal> nicomachus: it popped up saying there was an upgrade
[17:39] <rohan_> is anyone else still having issues with apt updates? It says last modification reported as 17th October. Apt clean doesnt work.
[17:39] <nicomachus> Term1nal: how opposed are you to backing up /home and reinstalling a clean version of 17.10? That's going to be the easiest way, especially if apt is that screwed up.
[17:39] <brainwash> rohan_: what issues?
[17:40] <maszlo> rohan_: the /boot/grub/grub.cfg does update contents, just does not translate to what i see when i reboot and edit the line
[17:40] <Term1nal> nicomachus: I think it's working now more or less, just trying to get my DNS to not be broken.
[17:40] <Term1nal> It wasn't getting DNS from DHCP
[17:41] <Term1nal> nicomachus: here's what I get when I run apt-get upgrade
[17:41] <Term1nal> https://ghostbin.com/paste/pra6z
[17:41] <nicomachus> Term1nal: what does /etc/network/interfaces show?
[17:42] <Term1nal> auto lo\n iface lo inet loopback
[17:42] <nicomachus> Term1nal: I'd rather have a 2nd or 3rd opinion on this... but those all look like Unity or Mir packages, which won't be needed anymore with ubuntu's Gnome/Wayland setup.
[17:43] <carmack> Hi! How to make icons in dock align center?
[17:43] <carmack> Ubuntu 17.10
[17:43] <Term1nal> carmack: use a different dock, most likely.
[17:43] <nicomachus> Term1nal: second thought, some of those are definitely needed.
[17:43] <Term1nal> carmack: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/307/dash-to-dock/
[17:43] <nicomachus> carmack: gnome-tweak-tool should show your extensions. Look for Dash-to-Dock and the setting should be in it's settings menu.
[17:43] <Term1nal> probably what you want
[17:44] <Rafaels> hello. I am trying to use my magnetic card reader on my ubuntu 17.10 and it takes too much to work once i plug it in. does anyone know how to fix that?
[17:44] <nicomachus> Term1nal: dash to dock is default in 17.10's gnome.
[17:44] <carmack> gnome-tweak-tool?
[17:44] <Term1nal> ah okay
[17:44] <nicomachus> !info gnome-tweak-tool | carmack
[17:44] <carmack> lol
[17:44] <carmack> I know
[17:44] <nicomachus> ok then, you're off to the races.
[17:45] <nicomachus> Term1nal: does /etc/network/interfaces show anything for nameservers?
[17:45] <Term1nal> no
[17:45] <nicomachus> something like dns-nameservers 8.8.8.8 8.8.4.4
[17:45] <Term1nal> just the loopback interface
[17:45] <nicomachus> ok, add that line then.
[17:45] <rohan_> brainwish http://termbin.com/dfjs security was not updated
[17:45] <Term1nal> I have 4 profiles for network manager
[17:45] <nicomachus> feel free to change the actual dns servers.
[17:45] <Term1nal> 3 static and one for DHCP
[17:46] <Term1nal> DHCP seems to just not acquire DNS
[17:47] <Term1nal> I find this "Activities" thing on the top bar completely pointless
[17:47] <nicomachus> Term1nal: remove it.
[17:47] <Term1nal> literally only shows one application at a time, and the only option ever is to quit.
[17:47] <DomingoMontoya> 17.10 - hit a few things that won't finish install. Where can I look to see what's causing it? So far lxd, libvirt-daemone-system, tftpd-hpa.
[17:48] <nicomachus> Term1nal: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/358/activities-configurator/
[17:48] <nicomachus> DomingoMontoya: sudo apt -f install
[17:49] <DomingoMontoya> nicomachus: There's more to it than that. They won't install at all. They just hang during install.
[17:49] <pankaj_> akik: Is their any text based newsreader which are easy to install.
[17:49] <nicomachus> DomingoMontoya: what's the terminal output? Can you link a pastebin?
[17:49] <cosmicfires> how can I upgrade from 16.04 to 17.10 without wiping the disk?
[17:50] <nicomachus> cosmicfires: upgrade to 17.04 then 17.10
[17:50] <akik> pankaj_: slrn
[17:50] <DomingoMontoya> nicomachus: https://pastebin.com/DmC67NXS
[17:50] <nicomachus> cosmicfires: apt do-release-upgrade
[17:50] <rohan_> nvm. fixed.'
[17:50] <DomingoMontoya> nicomachus: It just hangs like that.
[17:50] <nicomachus> DomingoMontoya: it says it's already installed.
[17:50] <cosmicfires> I need to do 17.04 first?
[17:50] <energizer> I'm having a problem with apt. https://dpaste.de/9vvK
[17:51] <pankaj_> akik: It has so complex setup. But I will try.
[17:51] <nicomachus> cosmicfires: wait, I'm wrong
[17:51] <DomingoMontoya> nicomachus: It says the user and directory exist, from failed previous attempts.
[17:52] <nicomachus> cosmicfires: you'll have to check in your system settings to make sure non-LTS upgrades are enabled, then run do-release-upgrade -c to check to see if there's an upgrade available.
[17:52] <Rafaels> hello. I am trying to use my magnetic card reader on my ubuntu 17.10 and it takes too much to work once i plug it in. does anyone know how to fix that?
[17:52] <cosmicfires> where do I enable non-LTS upgrades?
[17:53] <nicomachus> cosmicfires: trying to find it. are on Unity now?
[17:53] <cosmicfires> no I'm using ubuntu studio
[17:54] <energizer> I'm getting tons of errors from apt-get -f install https://dpaste.de/3Znp
[17:55] <nicomachus> cosmicfires: ok. in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades, do you see a line that says `Prompt=LTS`?
[17:55] <cosmicfires> looking
[17:55] <nacc> energizer: did you do some manually deletinng in /boot?
[17:55] <energizer> nacc: ashamed to say i did
[17:56] <cosmicfires> nicomachus, yes
[17:56] <nicomachus> oof
[17:56] <xan_IT> hi, there is anyone expert about snap?
[17:56] <nacc> xan_IT: #snappy
[17:56] <nicomachus> cosmicfires: ok. You'll have to change that line to `Prompt=normal`
[17:56] <oerheks> xan_IT, join #snappy for the experts
[17:56] <cosmicfires> I see how to change it now
[17:56] <cosmicfires> thanks
[17:56] <xan_IT> thz
[17:56] <xan_IT> all
[17:56] <nacc> energizer: yeah, so you need to do quite a bit of fixing
[17:56] <xan_IT> i love you all :)
[17:57] <energizer> nacc: is this worth reinstalling over?
[17:57] <nacc> energizer: that's up to you -- if you don't have a ton of data to worry about, that's pretty fast to do. If you do, then we can try and walk you back.
[17:57] <cosmicfires> thank you nicomachus
[17:58] <nicomachus> cosmicfires: all done?
[17:58] <nicomachus> cosmicfires: what does `do-release-upgrade -c` show now?
[18:03] <cosmicfires> nicomachus, New release '17.04' available.
[18:03] <basalt> TJ- : i have problem with the i have a problem since 17.10 update with my wifi QCA9377, if i shutdown, there are timeouts. if i suspend, the laptop will not go stop working (i can here it even the laptop is closed) if i resume the network is not connected and will not be connected again, until i press and hold the power button to "hard shutdown" or whatever the term for this is. than i can start the system again an the wifi is
[18:03] <basalt> connected.
[18:04] <nicomachus> cosmicfires: ok. it's gonna take you to 17.04 then 17.10 after that.
[18:04] <nicomachus> cosmicfires: BACK UP ANYTHING IMPORTANT FIRST
[18:04] <cosmicfires> ok
[18:04] <nicomachus> the 16.04 > 17.04 upgrade is always the shaky one.
[18:04] <nicomachus> because it's skipping over 16.10
[18:04] <cosmicfires> I'm going to do it later when I'm not working
[18:04] <TJ-> basalt: why was that aimed at me?
[18:05] <krypto_> lol
[18:05] <pankaj_> akik: I am setting up slrn. What shold I specify as NNTPSERVER in .bashrc; it is demanding the name of news server?
[18:05] <nicomachus> TJ-: because I made the mistake of telling him you were good with kernel stuff.... sorry. lol
[18:05] <basalt> TJ- can you help me getting the ubuntu working with this wifi adapter, because it was working better also with 17.04 (not perfect but working)
[18:05] <TJ-> nicomachus: basalt that's fine... I was just lost as to content since I just came in :)
[18:05] <akik> pankaj_: yes an nntp server
[18:05] <TJ-> basalt: what does "cat /proc/cmdline" show ?
[18:06] <basalt> TJ- BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.13.0-16-generic.efi.signed root=UUID=e9a0b188-7819-429b-83c1-bf85173a4360 ro quiet splash vt.handoff=7
[18:06] <pankaj_> akik: OK. I want to get informtaion about linux and unix. I do not what to write as newsserver url in this field>
[18:07] <TJ-> basalt: OK, the first thing I'm going to suggest is to ensure there are no ACPI problems. Follow my article solution here, test it. If you still have a problem after that, we'll dig some more. This solves 98% of suspend/resume/flakey platform device problems. http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[18:08] <basalt> TJ- thx i will give it a try
[18:08] <akik> pankaj_: the value should be the full hostname of the nntp server
[18:09] <pankaj_> akik: what is it?
[18:09] <oerheks> pankaj_, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/slrn maybe a help, or a recent guide http://www.andrews-corner.org/linux/slrn.html
[18:11] <codepython777> Is there a well maintained package that allows me to create a checkpoint/restore - so that I can go back to my Ubuntu install - when I am installing a brittle piece of software (which uses tons of apt-get and source installs)?
[18:11] <codepython777> I was looking at rsnapshot, but that doesnt look well maintained
[18:11] <cosmicfires> I'm using rsnapshot it works fine
[18:12] <codepython777> cosmicfires: on 16.04?
[18:12] <cosmicfires> yes 16.04
[18:13] <codepython777> cosmicfires: I am looking to create snapshots on the disc, before and after a complicated installer is fired. Is that something rsnapshot can do? I dont want to rsync data out from the machine
[18:13] <cosmicfires> yes you can make backups to any directory you choose
[18:13] <cosmicfires> you could make them on the same disk as the os you're running
[18:13] <pankaj_> oerheks: I am reading from the first one. The documentation is very well. But I am asking that what should I type in NNTPSERVER field. It is asking me to type the address of NNTPSERVER. But how to specify that. Can you tell me something about this address.
[18:13] <codepython777> cosmicfires: and restore from it as well? No reboots required?
[18:14] <TJ-> cosmicfires: you could use LVM snapshots, but for that I generally use either a chroot or container environment
[18:14] <cosmicfires> rsnapshot wouldn't require a reboot but depending on what you replace you might need to reboot
[18:14] <akik> pankaj_: it's the hostname of the nntpserver, either an open one or one that you pay for access
[18:14] <cosmicfires> I have never used it like that
[18:14] <cosmicfires> I've only restored files
[18:15] <pankaj_> akik: Can I get a list of them?
[18:15] <codepython777> cosmicfires: I need it almost to go back to a system checkpoint - link windows. I am not worried by user files
[18:15] <basalt> TJ- just for my understanding, you are setting "acpi_osi=Windows 2015" to the property GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX ??
[18:15] <akik> pankaj_: https://www.google.com/search?q=open+nntp+servers
[18:16] <cosmicfires> codepython777, a virtual machine might be easier, just copy a disk image file
[18:16] <TJ-> basalt: correct.
[18:16] <oerheks> pankaj_, no, you need an account with a nntp server, aka usenet
[18:16] <cosmicfires> rsnapshot backs up files, it doesn't restore them
[18:16] <codepython777> cosmicfires: In my case I have to work on the bare metal unfortunately
[18:16] <oerheks> pankaj_, not sure why you want a nntp service, good ones are paid
[18:16] <cosmicfires> you have to restore them
[18:16] <codepython777> that does not help in my case
[18:16] <pankaj_> oerheks: So, it means that I have to first sign in to usenet?
[18:17] <codepython777> cosmicfires: I am essentially looking to undo a bunch of apt-gets/make installs that might go wrong
[18:18] <cosmicfires> sounds like rsnapshot might not be the best tool for that
[18:18] <basalt> TJ- is this line ok in the file GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=" acpi_osi=! \"acpi_osi=Windows 2015\""
[18:18] <cosmicfires> I don't know much about LVM backups I'd look at that
[18:18] <codepython777> cosmicfires: I also need it while it is running
[18:19] <pankaj_> oerheks: I wanted to just get closer to open source community. Other then this (hexchat) are their any other services like daily emails from community or feedbacks that I can use?
[18:19] <cosmicfires> rsnapshot copies files while the system is running, restoring them is up to you
[18:19] <oerheks> pankaj_, i haven't used usenet for decades, all i know is these wiki's
[18:20] <tesss> Hello on the shutdown can instead of ubuntu log can i see logs ? like fedora if u use before
[18:20] <TJ-> basalt: looks correct to me
[18:20] <tesss> instead of ubuntu logo* can i see shutdown logs like fedora
[18:20] <tesss> how can i do this
[18:21] <tgm4883> tesss: always, or for troubleshooting?
[18:21] <tesss> always
[18:21] <pankaj_> oerheks: The installation of slrn is complicated. I think that purging the package will be better.
[18:22] <tgm4883> tesss: hmm, you could disable it, but it would disable it on boot as well I believe
[18:22] <tesss> because shutdown is not working on my laptop when i see the shutdown processes finished i will press power button to shutdown my laptop but with ubuntu
[18:22] <tesss> i cannot see if its finished
[18:22] <tesss> so it is important for me
[18:23] <tgm4883> tesss: well you can hit escape on that screen and it will show you the text
[18:23] <tesss> really ?
[18:23] <tesss> okay i will try now then :)
[18:24] <energizer> I'm reinstalling ubuntu. Looking at the partition screen. I would like to have one partition for HOME. What should I have on the screen? It currently has /dev/mapper/ubuntu-vg-root, /dev/mapper-ubuntu-vg-swap_1, /dev/sda, /dev/sdb
[18:24] <tgm4883> tesss: yes, if you want to disable it completely (including on boot) you'd need to https://askubuntu.com/questions/766973/16-04-how-to-uninstall-plymouth/766991#766991
[18:25] <tess> esc didnt work
[18:26] <ioria> tess, logout, switch to console, sudo service lightdm stop, sudo halt
[18:27] <tess> ioria, i cant do this always
[18:27] <ioria> why ?
[18:27] <ioria> oh, sy
[18:28] <tess>  ioria, will i do this for all shutdown
[18:28] <tess> its long
[18:28] <ioria> tess,  i thought you were  debugging something
[18:28] <TJ-> ioria: tess The 'failed to shutdown' issue may well be solved by my acpi_osi fix. Want to try it?
[18:28] <Term1nal> ubuntu tweak says "Shell user-theme extension not enabled"
[18:28] <Term1nal> how do I enable it so that I might skin the rest of my shell with Numix?
[18:29] <pacmanfan> i'm trying to use ssh-copy-id, and it is looking in ~/.pub, which does not exist
[18:29] <ioria> TJ-, gone
[18:29] <tess> ioria, i tried it actually adding kernel paramater right ?
[18:29] <TJ-> ioria: no, tesss left, not tess
[18:29] <pacmanfan> it looks like my public key is in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
[18:29] <ioria> ok
[18:29] <TJ-> tess: what does "cat /proc/cmdline" show?
[18:29] <pacmanfan> so what's up with ssh-copy-id?
[18:29] <ioria> tess, remove quiet splash, you mean ?
[18:30] <tess> TJ-:  BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.13.0-16-generic.efi.signed root=UUID=c393ad0a-2eda-441d-9e7e-a1fcb5bfe892 ro quiet splash vt.handoff=7
[18:30] <tess> no i tried many thing
[18:30] <tess> acpi=force
[18:30] <tess> acpi=off
[18:30] <TJ-> pacmanfan: YOUR ssh keys are ~/.ssh/id_rsa  (private) and ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub (public - the one that gets sent over)
[18:30] <ioria> tess, TJ-  suggesting his acpi_osi fix
[18:30] <TJ-> tess: "acpi=off" will DEFINITELY break things; ACPI is vital these days
[18:30] <TJ-> tess try this: http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[18:31] <tess> shutdown works on windows but not work on linux
[18:31] <ioria> TJ-, going to be in me bookmarks, tx
[18:31] <TJ-> ioria: I think that solved 10 issues yesterday alone!
[18:31] <ioria> good
[18:32] <basalt> TJ- the fix did not made any change in the behaviour
[18:33] <TJ-> We need to string up the motherboard firwmware dev's until they make the ACPI DSDT enable everything when the running OS reports as Linux. Currently, on almost all I've looked at, when the running OS is Linux DSDT enables bare minimum
[18:33] <pacmanfan> TJ-, i think mine may be a server-specific question...
[18:33] <TJ-> basalt: OK, well it's still worth having to ensure full ACPI support. Can you "pastebinit /var/log/kern.log"
[18:34] <pacmanfan> i normally use ssh-copy-id to copy a public key from existing servers onto my new ones
[18:34] <TJ-> pacmanfan: "man ssh-copy-id" - you can use the "-i" option to point to the location of your public key
[18:34] <energizer> "Choose a device to install the bootloader on:" /dev/sda, /dev/sda1
[18:34] <pacmanfan> it's always worked fine before, including on ubuntu server 16.04.... but all of a sudden it's complaining that ~/.pub doesn't exist :/
[18:34] <codepython777> is anyone using brtfs on ubuntu? Can I just use that for / at install?
[18:35] <energizer> which one should i pick?
[18:35] <tess> TJ-: i did those thing and updated grub conf now will reboot but i hope my laptop will boot because when i put acpi=off or force my laptop didnt boot
[18:35] <pacmanfan> so i'm thinking either something changed with how ssh-copy-id works, or else an update removed my ~/.pub files
[18:35] <energizer> nevermind its frozen
[18:36] <strive> pacmanfan: Have  you tried ~/.ssh
[18:36] <basalt> TJ- http://paste.ubuntu.com/25780462/
[18:36] <TJ-> pacmanfan: that suggests the identity file is not being provided.... that ".pub" suggests to me it the key-id isn't there so when it adds the ".pub" suffix you get that weird output
[18:36] <pacmanfan> strive, yeah, my public key is in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
[18:36] <tess> i'm going to reboot i dont have VNC dont say anything to me until i came :D
[18:36] <TJ-> pacmanfan: no, that isn't where you key is
[18:37] <pacmanfan> this is from the perspective of a server
[18:37] <TJ-> pacmanfan: ssh-copy-id by default looks for ~/.ssh/id_rsa, and then adds ".pub" to that to get the name of the public key to send
[18:37] <pacmanfan> oh, interesting
[18:38] <TJ-> pacmanfan: so if the *client* has no "~/.ssh/id_rsa" then you'll get it looking for "~/.ssh/.pub" which obviously doesn't exist
[18:38] <pacmanfan> my specific error is:  /usr/bin/ssh-copy-id: ERROR: failed to open ID file '/home/serveruser/.pub': No such file
[18:39] <TJ-> basalt: reading your kern.log now
[18:39] <TJ-> pacmanfan: what is the exact command you're typing to get the error?
[18:40] <pacmanfan> ssh-copy-id user@anotherserver
[18:41] <tess> TJ-: , no shutting down still not working here is my grub conf https://paste.ubuntu.com/25780484/
[18:41] <TJ-> pacmanfan: OK, read "man ssh-copy-id" in particular the two paragraphs starting with "Default behaviour without -i, is to check if ‘ssh-add -L’ provides any output, and if so those keys are used..."
[18:41] <pacmanfan> erm, my mistake. PEBKAC
[18:42] <pacmanfan> i was running ssh-add first, but i guess i had done it as sudo
[18:42] <TJ-> pacmanfan: doh! :)
[18:42] <pacmanfan> and then i was running ssh-copy-id as my regular user
[18:42] <pacmanfan> ewps!
[18:42]  * pacmanfan blushes
[18:42] <tess> may i should try Windows 2009 Windows 2012 Windows 2013
[18:42] <pacmanfan> i thought i had corrected that and run it again, but evidently not
[18:42] <Menzador> brb
[18:43] <kaili> Hello everyone :)
[18:43] <TJ-> tess: try booting to the Advanced > Recovery option, drop to a root shell, then type "systemctl shutdown" and see if that manages it. If it does, then we know the issue is to do with some service
[18:43] <TJ-> tess: no, no need to change acpi_osi at all, it's got the best setting
[18:43] <kaili> I've got a funny one : how would you install hplip 3.16.11 on ubuntu 11.04 (yeah I'm serious) ? :)
[18:44] <kaili> Trying to run hplip 3.16.11 but things don't look good, missing dependencies, ignored but I guess it's not going to work
[18:44] <kaili> The installer says it support up to 12.04, so ...
[18:46] <oerheks> kaili, no support.
[18:46] <kaili> Yeah I know, but I need to get around still...
[18:46] <oerheks> yes, it is funny.
[18:47] <kaili> Well when you have an old scientist that would rather throw his newly bought printer rather than changing ubuntu version, it's kinda funny
[18:47] <kaili> Still need to find a way to do that for him
[18:47] <TJ-> basalt: I can't see any clues there. Can you describe the symptoms again for me?
[18:49] <TJ-> basalt: and, can you show us "pastebinit <( lspci -nnk )" so we know the system PCI map
[18:52] <basalt> TJ- when i start the system, it boots fast, login, and wifi connected, no freeze, everything is fine. if i use the "shutdown" button, the system starts to shutdown and than a lot of 120 second timeout occures
[18:52] <TJ-> basalt: I'm seeing several reports that kernel v4.13.0 has the issue. You've got the latest Ubuntu kernel. Can I suggest you test it with an Ubuntu mainline kernel build for v4.13.8 ?
[18:52] <kaili> actually it might work out, what is missing doesn't seem bid deal, will try to fetch the debs from 12.04 and force install ... ;)
[18:52] <slee> hi, can someone tell me what's going on here? i installed discord from the repo a couple of months ago..i haven't used it in a couple of weeks, trying to run discord now fails...nothing opens...so i decide to remove it and i get this popup window asking for a Ubuntu One account password...i don't and never had one..why am i getting this now?
[18:53] <kaili> Most serious one is libtool-bin
[18:53] <oerheks> kaili, 12.04 is also dead, eol :-(
[18:53] <TJ-> !mainline | basalt
[18:53] <kaili> oerheks: yeah but the hplip 3.16.11 supports 12.04
[18:53] <slee> a screenshot of this 'ubuntu one': http://storage6.static.itmages.com/i/17/1020/h_1508525597_9573073_1db596f95f.jpeg
[18:53] <kaili> So with a bunch of tweaks, I need to get it work with 11.04
[18:54] <oerheks> kaili, 14.04 lts is the next supported ubuntu.. but  it was a newly bought printer, so please, make up your mind
[18:54] <basalt> TJ- the same behaviour is, when i close the laptop, the system is still working and working, and if i open it again the network is not connected and the system is forzen
[18:54] <kaili> oerheks: I'm not the old scientist and there is no way you will convince him ;)
[18:55] <TJ-> basalt: defintely test with the mainline kernel I've recommended as a first step. It's much easier to do A/B testing than it is to diagnose suspend/resume issues in-place
[19:01] <slyrus> OK, I eventually got gnome to launch, but how do I keep the dock on all the time?
[19:06] <RedPlosead1> irc.primorye.ru
[19:09] <basalt> TJ- do i also have to apply the patches http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.13.8/ before the deb install or after?
[19:12] <energizer> does unattended-upgrades automatically run autoremove?
[19:15] <oerheks> energizer, no update feature does that
[19:16] <energizer> oerheks: is there any reason i shouldnt put it in cron?
[19:16] <yokowka> hello
[19:17] <yokowka> hello everysoul
[19:18] <energizer> actually, how do i automatically remove old kernels regularly?
[19:19] <yokowka> русы есть?
[19:19] <Southern_Gentlem> energizer,  your machine will do that for you you
[19:19] <Southern_Gentlem> usually most distros keep 3 kernels by default
[19:21] <nicomachus> 2
[19:21] <nicomachus> !ru | yokowka
[19:21] <nacc> energizer: you can adjust the u-u settings
[19:25] <ioria> energizer, and maybe check    /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades
[19:25] <kaili> I fucking can't believe I just got it working
[19:25] <nicomachus> !language | kaili
[19:26] <kaili> nicomachus: sorry, scream of joy :x
[19:27] <nacc> Southern_Gentlem: i believe ubuntu keeps 2, and only if you keep the metapackage insntalled
[19:29] <nathanwildfire> hi
[19:29] <nathanwildfire> im new to ubuntu
[19:29] <Seveas> nathanwildfire: welcome to the dark side!
[19:30] <nathanwildfire> wow!!!
[19:31] <nathanwildfire> this looks like the shit from mr.robot
[19:31] <nicomachus> !language | nathanwildfire
[19:31] <lordcirth_work> nathanwildfire, lol.  Welcome.  Did you have a support question?
[19:31] <nicomachus> nathanwildfire: this channel is for Ubuntu support. Glad you've joined the ranks, but this channel is for support chat only. You can join #ubuntu-offtopic to just chat
[19:32] <nathanwildfire> sorry , ill keep that in mind
[19:32] <nicomachus> and yes, it's exactly the stuff from Mr. Robot. They used Freenode.
[19:33] <nathanwildfire> i have a question
[19:33] <nathanwildfire> im running ubuntu mate on my raspberry pi 3
[19:33] <nathanwildfire> and i cant get the sound to work
[19:33] <nicomachus> nathanwildfire: good choice on the setup!
[19:34] <nicomachus> nathanwildfire: do you have access to the machine right now, with a keyboard?
[19:34] <nathanwildfire> yes
[19:34] <nathanwildfire> im currently on it
[19:34] <nicomachus> can you open a terminal and type `aplay -l` then copy/paste the output to paste.ubuntu.com and link here?
[19:35] <nathanwildfire> ok
[19:37] <POGtastic> hi guys. I have a dual-monitor setup on 17.04. everything works great when logged in, but the login screen has the monitors reversed. googling it pulls up some solutions that seem to be outdated, as the lightdm files don't seem to be where the solution's description says that they are.
[19:37] <nathanwildfire> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25780749/
[19:37] <POGtastic> looking specifically at this answer: https://askubuntu.com/a/848282
[19:37] <nopea> as I am sure there are a few web developers here... how do you guys develop sites when everything is owned by www-data?  I connect via FTP but my own user
[19:38] <nicomachus> nathanwildfire: ok cool, looks like you have the aux jack and HDMI audio devices.
[19:39] <nathanwildfire> ok
[19:39] <nathanwildfire> so how do i get it to work
[19:40] <nicomachus> nathanwildfire: which device are you trying to get audio out of?
[19:40] <nathanwildfire> my monitor
[19:40] <nathanwildfire> which is the tv
[19:40] <nicomachus> so HDMI?
[19:41] <nathanwildfire> yep
[19:41] <nicomachus> ok. in a terminal, `sudo amixer cset numid=3 2`
[19:41] <nathanwildfire> ok
[19:41] <nathanwildfire> i typed in my password
[19:42] <nicomachus> and then it should have just gone to a fresh line. Does sound work now?
[19:43] <nathanwildfire> numid=3,iface=MIXER,name='PCM Playback Route'
[19:43] <nathanwildfire>   ; type=INTEGER,access=rw------,values=1,min=0,max=2,step=0
[19:43] <nathanwildfire>   : values=2
[19:44] <nathanwildfire> nope till not working
[19:44] <nathanwildfire> still*
[19:45] <nathanwildfire> you think there might be something wrong with the hdmi cable
[19:46] <nicomachus> nathanwildfire: possible but lets check a couple other things first.
[19:46] <nicomachus> does `pactl list` show anything?
[19:46] <nicomachus> should be similar output to aplay -l
[19:48] <nicomachus> nathanwildfire: type `pactl list` into a terminal. show me the output in a pastebin again.
[19:50] <Menzador> Hey! Got a problem. Just dropped 17.10 in. Installed vanilla-gnome-desktop. Now the only session I have is the "Ubuntu" session replaced by the default GNOME Shell and themes. I had to manually fix the Plymouth theme, but (a) how do I fix GDM so it uses the default Ubuntu theme, and (b) where is the Ambiance GNOME Shell theme located? Did I override those settings? Would installing one of the default settings metapackages help? (Sor
[19:50] <nathanwildfire> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25780818/
[19:50] <nicomachus> Menzador: you installed an additonal gnome desktop on top of the default?
[19:51] <nacc> Menzador: why did you install the "vaniall-gnome-desktop" package?
[19:51] <Jesse__> frag
[19:51] <nacc> Menzador: that's not something you need to do anymore, unless you want to be running more like what was Ubuntu Gnome before
[19:51] <Menzador> nacc: I probably should have just installed gnome-session, no? It's not the biggest deal in the world :P
[19:51] <nacc> Menzador: you shouldn't have isntalled anything
[19:51] <nacc> Menzador: just install ubuntu and you're on gnome
[19:52] <Menzador> Well, occasionally I like to switch layouts
[19:52] <nicomachus> nathanwildfire: lol at the hostname on your system... at least we have audio devices.
[19:52] <Menzador> (which theoretically I could do by just opening GNOME Tweaks) :P
[19:52] <nacc> Menzador: not sure what you mean by layouts, you mean desktop environments?
[19:52] <nicomachus> nathanwildfire: do you have a program called Pulse Audio Volume Control? if not, install from terminal with `sudo apt install pavucontrol`
[19:53] <nathanwildfire> no i dont
[19:53] <Menzador> No, I mean the layout of the shell itself (the Ubuntu dock vs. not the Ubuntu dock)
[19:53] <akik> nacc: it's used to install the vanilla gnome version instead of the ubuntu setup
[19:53] <nicomachus> ok, install that and it'll be a lot easier to make sure the proper audio device and volumes are set
[19:53] <Menzador> The documentation gave me the impression that installing one of these metas would give me 2 sessions
[19:53] <nacc> akik: i see
[19:54] <Menzador> Yes, what akik said
[19:54] <nacc> akik: it's not quite clear that's actually true :)
[19:54] <nacc> akik: give the package description
[19:54] <nacc> *given
[19:54] <Menzador> !info vanilla-gnome-desktop
[19:54] <Menzador> gahhhh, that's one for the ops
[19:54] <Menzador> !info vanilla-gnome-desktop artful
[19:55] <nacc> it's basically present to migrate ubuntu gnome users to ubuntu
[19:55] <nacc> (aiui)
[19:55] <Menzador> vanilla-gnome-desktop apparently still has all the old Ubuntu GNOME stuff in it :P
[19:55] <nathanwildfire> done
[19:55] <nicomachus> nathanwildfire: open that program up now, it should show which programs are playing audio and which audio device they're set to.
[19:55] <akik> actually it's gnome-session which gives you the gnome default stup
[19:55] <dax> !info hello
[19:55] <nicomachus> make sure whatever is playing audio is on HDMI
[19:55] <dax> oh i'm still opped
[19:56] <nicomachus> dax: you're just trying to intimidate, you can't fool us
[19:56] <dax> Menzador: the relevant human has been poked
[19:56] <nathanwildfire> ok
[19:56] <Menzador> akik: I know that know, but the release notes imply that vanilla-gnome-desktop doesn't change any settings
[19:56] <Menzador> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/ReleaseNotes#Ubuntu_Desktop
[19:56] <michelbelleville> Hi everybody ; I'm a bit new to IRC, and even newer when it comes to screens setting, and I'm encountering troubles to configure an HDMI screen on Ubuntu. Is there anyone that'd be interested to help?
[19:57] <akik> https://wiki.gnome.org/UbuntuMigrationToGNOME
[19:57] <Menzador> akik: "If you'd like to also install more core apps, ..." There's no indication that it will modify default settings
[19:57] <nicomachus> michelbelleville: better to just state the problem and then someone will help if they can.
[19:57] <michelbelleville> nicomachus: Sure (sorry for my IRC noobishness)
[19:57] <Menzador> I'll remember that for next time :)
[19:58] <Menzador> Thanks for showing the difference, but the release notes probably ought to reflect this
[19:58] <nicomachus> michelbelleville: no problem at all. welcome.
[19:58] <nathanwildfire> nicomachus: im getting the hang of this
[19:58] <nicomachus> \o/
[20:00] <michelbelleville> So, I have this laptop with an HDMI connector, and a screen that connects through HDMI. So far, so plugged. Trouble is, I'm under gnome3 and set my main laptop screen on a 2x scale (small pixels and all that) ; since the (bigger) secondary screen has 1/2 less pixel density, I wanted to set the scale factor only for the laptop screen...
[20:01] <nicomachus> michelbelleville: should be able to individually set screen resolutions with xrandr. it's going to be a command line job.
[20:01] <khangeek> can't install snap package from ubuntu software center. Connection reset by peer error
[20:01] <khangeek> Ubuntu version is 17.10
[20:02] <michelbelleville> Yes, khangeek ^^ I'm apt on the command line, at least ...only thing I find is tutorials explained to set various gnome3 variables, I tried a couple, and ended up with the secondary screen being not recognized anymore. I tried an xrandr and found that yes, the main laptop screen is properly configured (as it should) and no, the secondary screen is disconnected.
[20:02] <michelbelleville> (sorry, I meant yes nicomachus :)
[20:03] <nicomachus> michelbelleville: give this a quick read/scan and see if that helps, then ask any questions you might have: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution#How_to_setup_a_dual_monitor
[20:03] <khangeek> Any fix to my problem?
[20:03] <michelbelleville> nicomachus: Thanks, trying that right away.
[20:03] <ModFather> hi all
[20:03] <ModFather> i cant ping domains like name.academy on my box
[20:03] <ModFather> any clue?
[20:04] <maszlo> TJ-: you happen to be around?
[20:05] <Bashing-om> ModFather: What release ? and what shows ' ls -al /etc/resolv.conf ' ?
[20:06] <Menzador> nacc , akik: Thanks for the help anyway. I had just created a VM, so I'm taking the easier route and trashing the VM that was a few minutes old. I'll remember to install gnome-session instead.
[20:06] <ModFather> 16.04 LTS
[20:06] <ModFather> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 29 Jul 21 14:35 /etc/resolv.conf -> ../run/resolvconf/resolv.conf
[20:07] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: hello
[20:07] <michelbelleville> nicomachus: Erm, I'm bumping into an early problem: they say to click on the "detect monitors" button and use "gnome-display-properties" ; I see no "detect monitors" button on my screen settings screen, and there is no "gnome-display-properties" command (not it there any to install through apt). I'm using ubuntu 17.04
[20:07] <kostkon> khangeek, https://bugs.launchpad.net/software-center-agent/+bug/1617765
[20:08] <akik> are there people editing the wiki pages? that x config page is last edited in 2013
[20:08] <Bashing-om> ModFather: far so good . Who controls networking ' cat /etc/network/interfaces | nc termbin.com 9999 ' pass the resulting URL back here .
[20:08] <khangeek> The reason why it does not work is it does not ask me for a password or username
[20:08] <kostkon> khangeek, have a look at the comments, try out the workarounds mentioned in them
[20:08] <khangeek> since those snap packages have to work that way
[20:08] <ModFather> Bashing-om after a "restart" worked
[20:08] <ModFather> nowi can ping
[20:09] <kostkon> khangeek, it isn't supposed to ask you
[20:09] <ModFather> wierd isnt it?
[20:09] <Bashing-om> ModFather: :)  Great .
[20:09] <khangeek> not for an account on canonical? or ubuntu one something?
[20:09] <kostkon> khangeek, you can try installing it in the terminal with:   sudo snap install package_name
[20:10] <khangeek> ok
[20:11] <ModFather> Thanks Bashing-om !!! have a great night bro
[20:12] <kostkon> khangeek, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1581713
[20:14] <michelbelleville> nicomachus: Ok, so, I've read a bit further into the article, and tried ```xrandr --output DP-1-1 --mode 1920x1080 --rate 60``` ; it fails saying: ```xrandr: cannot find mode 1920x1080```.
[20:15] <michelbelleville> nicomachus: When I read the result of a ```xrandr``` there are many mode lines for my laptop display, and only ```DP-1-1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)``` for my other display.
[20:16] <N1ght0wl> based on this http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/zesty/man4/random.4freebsd.html it appears yarrow/fortuna has been ported to Ubuntu (for use as a PRNG /dev/urandom,/dev/random) can anyone provide more info on this?
[20:16] <michelbelleville> nicomachus: (which is started, but says that there is no signal on the HDMI plug when Ubuntu is running ; when I'm running windows, it works and detects the signal)
[20:27] <texla> I am trying to mount to the desktop ../dev/sda1 which is Ubuntu 16.04 I get the following result..https://pastebin.com/Rx6A9kQd..Any suggestions
[20:29] <michelbelleville> Can anyone provide any help getting a screen to be detected by an Ubuntu 17.04?
[20:29] <mattfly> Hey hello hello hello hi xD
[20:29] <mattfly> which is the best office package for linux?
[20:29] <mattfly> besides libreoffice
[20:29] <mattfly> doesnt need to be the full thing
[20:29] <Menzador> !best
[20:29] <mattfly> i just need to work with spreadsheets and write
[20:30] <nicomachus> michelbelleville: well, it may be a good time to update to 17.10 while you're at it.
[20:30] <mattfly> I dreamed with a spreadsheet gui with a python terminal on it where you could load arrays to columns or get from it by selecting on the gui and create an array
[20:30] <mattfly> something like this
[20:30] <nicomachus> probably won't fix the problem, but needs to be done anyway
[20:30] <mattfly> i saw pyspreasheet
[20:30] <mattfly> but sucks and is nothing like that
[20:30] <mattfly> pratical
[20:30] <michelbelleville> nicomachus: Well, I'm gonna do that and pray. Thanks ^^
[20:31] <nicomachus> mattfly: libreCalc allows macros in python
[20:31] <mattfly> does anything else exist like this ??? or will i have to do it myself?
[20:31] <mattfly> anyone interested on starting a project usin c++ qt + python for a fully functional spreasheet software
[20:31] <mattfly> maybe with R too
[20:31] <mattfly> Librecal kinda sucks too
[20:31] <KNUBBIG> Hello, I'm currently deciding between using MailScanner and amavisd-new: Comparisons I find online are at least eight years old, on first glimpse MailScanner code seems to be better maintained and I absolutely loathe the PERL configuration of amavisd-new. Any opinions on which does its job (spam/virus scanning) better?
[20:32] <nicomachus> mattfly: wrong channel for that.
[20:32] <Menzador> There are quite a few apps though
[20:32] <texla> The pastebin should be https://pastebin.com/VSBHxnvf
[20:32] <mattfly> yes?
[20:32] <mattfly> if it is already done i want it for sure
[20:32] <nicomachus> !ot | mattfly
[20:32] <mattfly> ubuntu support for searching software?
[20:32] <mattfly> thats what i am doing
[20:33] <nicomachus> mattfly: you're talkinga bout python spreadsheets, not Ubuntu support.
[20:33] <mattfly> a software for ubuntu im looking for
[20:33] <mattfly> anyone what are more advanced solutions for that on ubuntu ?
[20:34] <leftyfb> mattfly: libreoffice is the "best" office package for linux .... for those that libreoffice meets the standards for
[20:34] <leftyfb> mattfly: you're asking for opinions
[20:34] <mattfly> yes i am
[20:34] <mattfly> i use libroffice
[20:34] <Menzador> We used to have a factoid on this
[20:34] <mattfly> havent find anything better
[20:34] <nicomachus> mattfly: and this is the wrong channel for that.
[20:34] <leftyfb> mattfly: I just searched using apt.... try Calligra or gnumeric
[20:35] <mattfly> calligra is not exactly what i wanted and gnumeric?
[20:35] <mattfly> isnt that a calculator
[20:35] <mattfly> oh cool
[20:35] <leftyfb> mattfly: other than that, you'll have to find other linux spreadsheet software which might not necessarily be available in the official repos and therefore not supported
[20:35] <nicomachus> mattfly: you won't get another warning. this is the wrong channel for software recommendations.
[20:35] <nicomachus> please use #ubuntu-offtopic or something else entirely
[20:36] <mattfly> are you going to kick me?
[20:36] <shredding> hello
[20:36] <mattfly> there are 10 times less people on #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:36] <shredding> i have a full disk of 59 GB, but when i run "du -sch .[!.]* * |sort -h " it shows a total of 15GB
[20:37] <shredding> if i free space it get immediately eaten up
[20:37] <shredding> how can i find the source?
[20:37] <alkisg> shredding: sudo baobab or sudo mate-disk-usage-analyzer
[20:37] <shredding> ... it's not the logs
[20:37] <alkisg> it shows it graphically ,with subdirs and all
[20:38] <noni> it should be possible to "load python arrays to columns" in libreoffice, through its Python scripting interface. You need to know the function name and syntax though. Google for "libreoffice uno api" or ask in channel #libreoffice
[20:38] <shredding> dok, i need to install that
[20:38] <alkisg> shredding: which desktop environment?
[20:38] <kostkon> mattfly, this (maybe)? https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pyoo
[20:38] <alkisg> E.g. gnome?
[20:38] <shredding> alkisg: it's not a desktop env
[20:38] <shredding> it's a server
[20:38] <alkisg> OK, then stick with du
[20:38] <noni> alksig, use pkexec for GUI not sudo
[20:39] <alkisg> So, deleted files that are still in use take up space
[20:39] <shredding> alkisg: how can i find those?
[20:39] <mattfly> not exactly what i want pu quite cool kostkon
[20:39] <alkisg> noni, GUI apps need special entry for pkexec, otherwise they don't launch
[20:39] <alkisg> shredding: start with du -sh /*, how much space is missing from there?
[20:40] <texla> I am trying to mount to the desktop ../dev/sda1 which is Ubuntu 16.04 I get the following result..https://pastebin.com/Rx6A9kQd..Any suggestions
[20:40] <texla> The pastebin should be https://pastebin.com/VSBHxnvf
[20:40] <shredding> alkisg: roughly 40GB
[20:40] <shredding> I have a disk of 59 and.
[20:40] <shredding> 57 of them are in use
[20:41] <shredding> alkisg: would restarting the server free up the space?
[20:41] <alkisg> shredding: I've seen an askubuntu question about locating all deleted files that are still in use with lsof or something, and counting up that space etc
[20:41] <alkisg> shredding: sure
[20:41] <shredding> lemme try that
[20:42] <shredding> alkisg: that solved it
[20:43] <nicomachus> that was a quick reboot
[20:43] <shredding> i was surprised as well
[20:43] <Bashing-om> texla: ?? it says that sda1 is already mounted . What is the issue ?
[20:43] <shredding> alkisg: thank u
[20:44] <texla> bash
[20:44] <texla> Bashing-om, It is not showing on the desktop like the other /dev/sda3
[20:45] <kusfedora> I am on xenial inside virtualbox and do-release-upgrade -d fails any ideas? https://hastebin.com/idipumigix.sh
[20:46] <Menzador> kusfedora: Head for Software and Updates and make sure "For any new version" is selected. Ald
[20:46] <Menzador> *Also, there's no development release
[20:46] <Bashing-om> texla: That depends on how it is mounted . see how from ' cat /proc/mounts ' .
[20:47] <texla> Bashing-om, /dev/sda
[20:47] <alkisg> shredding: np
[20:49] <S1GM4> I wish any of you were near me lol
[20:49] <S1GM4> I would give you more better than DXM
[20:50] <texla> Bashing-om, https://pastebin.com/87rx9viQ
[20:50] <tcc> hi, quick question - has anyone install CUDA/Nvidia drivers and has had an issue where the usb keyboard/mouse does not work on reboot/login screen?
[20:51] <tcc> am stuck at the point because i can't edit files but I suspect changing grub splash screen settings to nomodeset might help, but i can't get in to edit files
[20:51] <TJ-> tcc: where it affects GRUB, I'd think that is because the firmware's "USB Legacy support" is disabled
[20:52] <texla> Bashing-om, /sda3 mounted /media/user/uuid
[20:52] <TJ-> tcc: however, by the time the Linux GUI greeter log-in is up USB should be running perfectly
[20:52] <tcc> hm
[20:53] <TJ-> tcc: unless the firmware can fully disable USB functions of course
[20:54] <tcc> i guess maybe i can wipe it and reinstall and try a few things
[20:54] <tcc> the nomodeset worked w/ the nvidia driver/LUKS incompatibility (it borked keyboard w/ LUKS password)
[20:54] <TJ-> tcc: enter the motherboard firmware setup first, check that it hasn't somehow disabled USB (legacy) functionality
[20:55] <tcc> ok that may also be one thing
[20:55] <tcc> maybe that's easier
[20:55] <TJ-> tcc: nomdeset has no affect for USB that I can imagine!
[20:55] <qswz> hmm, any pointer about how to set ArcGIS on ubuntu?
[20:55] <Bashing-om> texla: Again, what is the issue ? Be aware that sda1 is mounted from the /etc/fstab file .
[20:55] <qswz> please
[20:55] <tcc> the other question is - at the moment, what's the "best practice" way to put gnome on 16.04, what w/ the switch to gnome in 17.10?
[20:56] <nacc> tcc: install ubuntu gnome 16.04?
[20:56] <nicomachus> tcc: or just install the gnome package...
[20:56] <TJ-> tcc:  "apt install ubuntu-gnome-desktop" I guess
[20:57] <TJ-> tcc: then it'll be available as an alternative desktop at the greeter screen via the Cog icon
[20:57] <tcc> ubuntu-gnome-desktop over just gnome then?
[20:57] <nacc> tcc: although the two experiences won't be identical
[20:57] <nacc> tcc: and i'm ont sure what the switch in 17.10 has to do with 16.04?
[20:57] <tcc> the ubuntu-gnome folks are being absorbed into the official default desktop team?
[20:58] <nacc> tcc: just do what you want on 16.04 and when 18.04.1 comes out, upgrade to it
[20:58] <tcc> @nacc nothing, just wanted to switch from unity
[20:58] <tcc> true
[20:58] <tcc> thanks
[21:03] <texla> Bashing-om, https://pastebin.com/N8ctNnSt   sda3 another program show up on the desktop sda1 does not
[21:05] <kusfedora> can we please remove the dependency on evolution-*-factory? I don't want it. I don't need it.
[21:05] <texla> Bashing-om, /sda3 shows up as 37 gb volume icon
[21:05] <kusfedora> Menzador: I will try it thanks
[21:06] <kusfedora> how would you do this in a terminal btw
[21:06] <Bashing-om> texla: texla ??? the device sda1 will not show as sda1 .. will not ! It is your / , what does show is all that is in the / file system.
[21:07] <nacc> kusfedora: what package?
[21:08] <oerheks> evolution-calendar-factory is guess
[21:08] <nacc> no such package
[21:08] <oerheks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-datetime/+bug/1589605
[21:08] <Bashing-om> texla: All that I expect to show for sda1 on the desktop is maybe home . All else one accesses through the file manager or the terminal .
[21:09] <nacc> oerheks: ah, a program name, not a package name
[21:09] <nacc> oerheks: that's from evolution-date-server (it seems)
[21:09] <oerheks> jups
[21:09] <oerheks> notr fixed in 3.20, maybe 3.26 ?
[21:10] <kusfedora> Yes that one oerheks but it seems the solution is to remove google integration because I have lots of stuff on my google account. basically it is kike "it hurts when I do this" and the doctor says "don't do that"
[21:10] <oerheks> isn't there a proper service file for, on 16.04?
[21:10] <nacc> i don't see a lot of memory consumption on artful
[21:10] <kusfedora> ideally when I do sudo apt install ubuntu-gnome-desktop --no-install-recommends it doesn't install evolution stuff
[21:10] <nacc> (at least from those pacakges)
[21:10] <kusfedora> nacc you won't see it until you use evolution
[21:11] <nacc> kusfedora: ah, so you want to use evolution, but not these other programs?
[21:11] <texla> Bashing-om, Well finally after numerous post an answer that makes since...Thanks a lot!!
[21:11] <nacc> kusfedora: was not at all clear that was what you were doing, if so
[21:12] <oerheks> it is 3 processes, calendar, evolution-source-registry and evolution-addressbook-factor
[21:12] <kusfedora> no, I made the mistake of adding my google account and using evolution once. I'm saying that it is a poorly written program/service/whatever and we should not include it by default
[21:12] <Bashing-om> texla: glad2help . Learning the file system is a never ending process :)
[21:12] <oerheks> none are intrusive memory eaters here, i3 core 6 gb
[21:12] <kusfedora> oerheks they are VERY intrusive memory eaters friend
[21:12] <nacc> kusfedora: evolution is, i believe, a core gnome applicatio
[21:13] <nicomachus> evolution is accessiblity programs. On-screen keyboard, OCR, etc
[21:13] <nicomachus> IIRC
[21:13] <kusfedora> yes, so we can't actually solve it here. they have to remove it upstream but we need to raise our voice and demand it
[21:13] <nicomachus> I removed them from autostart
[21:13] <nicomachus> but not completely
[21:13] <kusfedora> yeah, we can't completely remove it
[21:13] <omiomi> Hello. I'm using ubuntu machines behind squid-deb-proxy, and everything works great EXCEPT I can't seem to add custom ppa the setup does absolutely nothing.
[21:13] <kusfedora> gnome is supposed to be the "good guys", right?
[21:13] <nacc> kusfedora: just disable them? as oerheks said they are systemd services
[21:14] <omiomi> Does anyone know if I'm missing something obvious OR it is not a supported configuration.
[21:14] <kusfedora> no, we should not include shitty software at all
[21:14] <nacc> kusfedora: please watch your language
[21:14] <kusfedora> there is no upper bound
[21:14] <nacc> kusfedora: there is plenty of bad software in ubuntu
[21:14] <nacc> kusfedora: help fix it
[21:14] <nacc> kusfedora: or don't use it
[21:14] <omiomi> *thumbsup*
[21:15] <kusfedora> come on, saying shitty software is shitty is not a personal attack
[21:15] <nacc> kusfedora: i never said it was
[21:15] <nacc> !ohmy | kusfedora: the channel has language policies.
[21:16] <kusfedora> sorry, I guess the word is poorly optimized software not [redacted] software
[21:16] <omiomi> There's MSFT
[21:16] <kusfedora> ? I am saying we should talk to Gnome to either remove it or fix it.
[21:17] <nacc> kusfedora: this is the support channel, feel free to do what you're saying
[21:17] <omiomi> use gnome2 , it's actually usable
[21:17] <kusfedora> y
[21:17] <nicomachus> omiomi: bad advice.
[21:18] <oerheks> kusfedora, you might want to build it yourself with -DENABLE_GOOGLE_AUTH=OFF and -DENABLE_UOA=OFF:  >> http://www.nl.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/systemd/gnome/evolution-data-server.html
[21:18] <oerheks> but what happens next..
[21:18] <kusfedora> oerheks the point isn't what I can do for myself. I am trying to make it a better experience for everyone :(
[21:18] <TJ-> Anyone ever seen command-line arguments in the shell field of /etc/passwd? 'man passwd' isn't clear if they're acceptable.
[21:19] <qswz> I never saw a worst doc, I just want to install it, it shows nowhere how to dowload it http://server.arcgis.com/en/server/latest/install/linux/welcome-to-the-arcgis-for-server-install-guide.htm
[21:19] <oerheks> so, why isn't there a proper service file to stop this? isn't that a possible fix?
[21:19] <oerheks> sytemd.. still learning
[21:19] <nacc> qswz: offtopic?
[21:20] <qswz> no, just problem solvin gon ubuntu
[21:20] <kusfedora> qswz if you want to see poor documentation, look at a company called dwolla.
[21:20] <qswz> ha
[21:20] <qswz> the site is nice at least
[21:22] <michelbelleville> Hi everybody. I'm having trouble getting my ubuntu to detect my secondary screen. When I plug it, it doesn't light up ; when I have a look at the screen, it says "hdmi no signal" ; when I use the command xrandr it says "disconnected" for the secondary monitor.
[21:22] <kusfedora> yeah and some of the documentation is up to date but some is not which makes me guess the software evolved and the documentation is lagging :P
[21:22] <omiomi> Hello. I'm using ubuntu machines behind squid-deb-proxy, and everything works great EXCEPT I can't seem to add custom ppa the setup does absolutely nothing. Is this a supported configuration or not?
[21:22] <michelbelleville> And when I use the configuration button "detect monitors": it doesn't do anything.
[21:22] <nacc> omiomi: https://askubuntu.com/questions/303150/apt-get-403-forbidden-but-accessible-in-the-browser
[21:23] <nacc> omiomi: first hit o google for 'squid-deb-proxy ppa' ?
[21:23] <qswz> michelbelleville: sure your graphic card can support it?
[21:23] <itp5> hi
[21:24] <michelbelleville> qswz: Positive ; it worked before, and it works on windows ; I'm using the nvidia driver.
[21:24] <omiomi> let me double check, I think I had that already.
[21:24] <qswz> on linux
[21:24] <qswz> check additional drivers
[21:24] <oerheks> hmm 2nd place .. https://www.bing.com/search?q=squid-deb-proxy+ppa
[21:25] <michelbelleville> qswz: Yep, it worked before, onlinux. It ceased to be detected when I tried to tweak something to get it to set another scale factor than my main screen.
[21:25] <nacc> oerheks: heh
[21:25] <qswz> wow a bing user
[21:25] <qswz> that's rare
[21:25] <mohhamad> hi
[21:25] <michelbelleville> qswz: indeed ^^
[21:25] <qswz> michelbelleville: check your resolution settings
[21:25] <qswz> or whatever to manage it
[21:25] <TJ-> michelbelleville: which GPU does the system have ("lspci -nnk -d ::0300") and which display driver is the system using ("cat /sys/class/graphics/fb?/name ") ?
[21:26] <akik> michelbelleville: create a new user and test with it if you don't remember the changes you made
[21:26] <mohhamad> what's up?
[21:26] <mohhamad> what?
[21:26] <mohhamad> exit
[21:26] <qswz>  /c
[21:26] <qswz>  /wc
[21:26] <oerheks> no, i have 2 browsers, 2 search engines. lots of fun
[21:26] <Menzador>  /laugh
[21:27] <michelbelleville> akik: may we talk in private? If I have to post the command results...
[21:27] <qswz> you can use a http://dpaste.com
[21:27] <akik> michelbelleville: no, keep the chat on the channel
[21:27] <TJ-> !paste | michelbelleville
[21:27] <michelbelleville> qswz: akik: ok, doing just that.
[21:27] <oerheks> paste.ubuntu.com please
[21:27] <qswz> the brand paste
[21:28] <qswz> anything not pastebin.com is nice
[21:28] <oerheks> true
[21:29] <oerheks> <command > | nc termbin.com 9999 # no need to install anything
[21:30] <michelbelleville> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25781319/
[21:30] <michelbelleville> akik: Did that already ; same problem apparently.
[21:31] <TJ-> michelbelleville: looks like the PC has Intel graphics, not Nvidia
[21:31] <qswz> VGA compatible
[21:31] <michelbelleville> TJ-: Oh. Though that's what the "additional pilots" says I'm using.
[21:31] <qswz> not sure hdmi
[21:32] <wonko> So, upgraded my 17.04 box to 17.10. Now the nVidia drivers won't load. :(
[21:32] <TJ-> michelbelleville: if the Xorg server isn't using the Intel driver that would explain why the second monitor cannot be found
[21:32] <TJ-> michelbelleville: show us "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[21:33] <wonko> https://gist.github.com/bhechinger/5f619264e47f5e3721d2341e81f07635
[21:33] <laszlo_> Hi guys. It seems that I have problem with new 17.10 and it's screensaver. I have done the usual: removed gnome-screensaver and apt installed xscreensaver and extras. But... there is still /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon/gsd-screensaver-proxy running, and I believe it blocks xscreensaver
[21:33] <michelbelleville> TJ-: (I don't seem to have the "pastebinit" command?)
[21:33] <TJ-> wonko: have you got the latest nvidia-dkms source package? the module for kernel 4.13 needs several patches applying
[21:33] <michelbelleville> TJ-: (or did you mean to copy the contents of the file?)
[21:33] <wonko> TJ-: so the stuff in the PPA isn't going to work?
[21:33] <TJ-> michelbelleville: Hmm. Which release of Ubuntu are you using? "lsb_release -a"
[21:34] <TJ-> wonko: "the PPA" - which PPA, edge?
[21:34] <wonko> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/graphics-drivers/ppa/ubuntu artful main
[21:34] <michelbelleville> TJ-:
[21:34] <TJ-> wonko: yes, I would expect those to work
[21:34] <TJ-> wonko: has the driver built but fails to load, loads but fails to init the display?
[21:35] <michelbelleville> TJ-: 17.10 (freshly upgraded, hoping it could solve the problem, from 16.04 then 17.04)
[21:35] <wonko> modprobe won't load it
[21:35] <TJ-> wonko: what error do you see?
[21:35] <wonko> modprobe: ERROR: ../libkmod/libkmod-module.c:832 kmod_module_insert_module() could not find module by name='nvidia_387'
[21:35] <TJ-> wonko: sounds like it's not installed
[21:36] <TJ-> wonko: try "find /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ -type f -name 'nvdia*'
[21:36] <michelbelleville> TJ-: And here's the content of /var/log/Xorg.0.log http://paste.ubuntu.com/25781341/
[21:36] <wonko> ii  nvidia-387                                                       387.12-0ubuntu0~gpu17.10.1                                 amd64        NVIDIA binary driver - version 387.12
[21:36] <michelbelleville> TJ-: the find says nothing.
[21:36] <wonko> that's installed direct from the PPA
[21:36] <nacc> TJ-: typo (nvdia)
[21:37] <wonko> /lib/modules/4.13.0-16-lowlatency/kernel/drivers/video/fbdev/nvidia/nvidiafb.ko
[21:37] <TJ-> nacc: michelbelleville Hmmm, Xorg log shows it's got Nvidia and Intel, so this is a Prime issue
[21:37] <laszlo_> damn got logged out of the session after killing gsd-screensaver-proxy ;)
[21:37] <michelbelleville> TJ- Ok. What should I do about that?
[21:41] <zwarag_> How can I tell Ubuntu (17.10) to do nothing when I close my laptop lid
[21:41] <TJ-> michelbelleville: I thought all the nvidia prime issues had been sorted out by now. It's not clear what's going on. There don't seem to be any clues in the log file
[21:42] <qswz> let it at least turn down screen
[21:42] <Kendo_Cocaine> zwarag_:https://askubuntu.com/questions/15520/how-can-i-tell-ubuntu-to-do-nothing-when-i-close-my-laptop-lid
[21:43] <qswz> pref > power manager
[21:43] <TJ-> michelbelleville: the log file seems to show the system has been suspended. Does the problem occur immediately after a fresh power-off restart?
[21:43] <michelbelleville> Yep. When I start the computer, the screen plugged, powered and on, it doesn't get detected by Ubuntu. It does, however, by windows when I start the dual boot.
[21:43] <zwarag_> Kendo_Cocaine: well thank you but Cntl+F that site and you will see nothing for 17.10
[21:43] <waltman> I don't have a kvm, so when I want to use my mac on my big monitor I swap over the keyboard and monitor cables. When I came back just now nothing was running in my X session! Is this another "feature" in Gnome?
[21:44] <michelbelleville> TJ- Yep. When I start the computer, the screen plugged, powered and on, it doesn't get detected by Ubuntu. It does, however, by windows when I start the dual boot. (sorry, I'm not very used to IRC either ^^°
[21:44] <waltman> I'd left things running! It shouldn't be killing them unless I tell it to!
[21:47] <TJ-> michelbelleville: hmmm.... I think this could be yet another acpi_osi issue! can you show us "cat /proc/cmdline"
[21:47] <michelbelleville> TJ-: Right away ^^
[21:47] <michelbelleville> TJ-: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.13.0-16-generic.efi.signed root=UUID=7ac9067a-cb16-4819-a5d0-48c74e036259 ro quiet splash vt.handoff=7
[21:47] <omi> nacc, re proxy. So yes, I had those two lines in. For some reason, (from logs) it fails from changelogs.ubuntu.com (which I have also added)
[21:48] <nacc> omi: i see, and it works onnce you did that?
[21:49] <TJ-> michelbelleville: OK... a bit of explanation. On some systems the ACPI DSDT has code to enable the GPU output ports and doing that  sometimes depends on the running OS being Windows. Read my article on this and apply the suggested fix and test it again. http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[21:49] <omi> nacc, nope
[21:49] <omi> that's what's puzzling me.
[21:49] <omi> https://pastebin.com/7r2Cm8RR
[21:49] <michelbelleville> TJ-: Thanks, I'll do that right away.
[21:49] <nacc> omi: those are the squid-deb-proxy logs?
[21:50] <omi> yes
[21:50] <nacc> omi: sorry, i don't know
[21:51] <michelbelleville> TJ-: (what's an ACPI DSDT by the way?)
[21:51] <omi> nacho, thnx anyways.
[21:51] <TJ-> michelbelleville: it's explained in the article
[21:51] <michelbelleville> TJ-: (right, I've arrived there ; sorry)
[21:52] <TJ-> michelbelleville: I've had to explain this so many times I've written it up!
[21:52] <nacc> omi: why does squid-deb-proxy proxy a non-deb request?
[21:52] <nacc> omi: and after adding it, did you restart squid-deb-proxy (nont just reload it)
[21:52] <omi> yes
[21:52] <nacc> omi: ok
[21:54] <michelbelleville> TJ-: Ok, I've used the command you provided and it seemed to do its job ; now I reboot and cross my fingers. Thanks for your help ^^
[21:58] <michelbelleville> TJ-: Well, looks like it FREAKING WORKED! TJ-, you're an -fing genius ^^ thank you so much (I spent about 3 nights googling that stuff).
[21:59] <TJ-> michelbelleville: That issue is causing more than 80% of all hardware/device/power issues currently
[21:59] <omi> naan, I see someone mention that ppa:maas/stable may be nonexistant
[21:59] <michelbelleville> TJ-: Yup. A wonder why Canonical hasn't adressed it already really ^^°
[22:00] <TJ-> michelbelleville: I think it's something we will have to
[22:00] <omi> nacho, I see someone mention that ppa:maas/stable may not exist actually.
[22:00] <nacc> !tab | omi
[22:00] <michelbelleville> TJ-: Anways, thanks a whole big bunch ^^d
[22:00] <TJ-> michelbelleville: you're welcome
[22:00] <nacc> omi: https://launchpad.net/~maas/+archive/ubuntu/stable
[22:01] <omi> Nacc, ok that's nice!
[22:06] <wonko> Ok, I may have fixed it. Won't know until I get home to check
[22:06] <connorkmc> hi
[22:06] <wonko> gdm is running though, which is promising
[22:06] <wonko> now to figure out what's wrong with apparmor
[22:07] <connorkmc> i cont run steam
[22:07] <connorkmc> i need help
[22:08] <connorkmc> im trying to run steam but it says libc6... has no instalation candidate
[22:09] <connorkmc> please help
[22:09] <nacc> connorkmc: what is the output of `lsb_release -sd`
[22:09] <nacc> connorkmc: and `apt-cache policy steam`
[22:09] <connorkmc> idk
[22:09] <nacc> connorkmc: seriously? run those and give them.
[22:10] <nacc> use a pastebin if needed
[22:10] <nacc> !pastebin | connorkmc
[22:11] <nacc> connorkmc: also 'running steam' won't say anything about installation candidates. Do you mean installing steam?
[22:12] <connorkmc> i installed the dep file with the installer and tryed to open the app then it brange me to package install the put in password and then in says cant install missing libc6
[22:12] <nacc> connorkmc: what? a .deb is something to install, not an installer. What installer?
[22:12] <kostkon> connorkmc, open the terminal and type those commands or even better c/p them into the terminal. It's that simple
[22:12] <nacc> connorkmc: you should have just installed 'steam' using either a package manager GUI or apt.
[22:13] <wonko> there, apparmor fixed
[22:13] <wonko> now there is nothing failing in systemctl
[22:14] <connorkmc> ok i used gdebi to install it then the package installer came up then said missing libc6
[22:14] <zoey> i'm a python developer. should i use lts or should i use the latest?
[22:14] <kostkon> connorkmc, so you haven't managed to install it
[22:14] <connorkmc> no
[22:14] <nacc> connorkmc: why did you use gdebi? it's a package in ubuntu.
[22:14] <nacc> connorkmc: use your package manager and innstall steam.
[22:14] <zoey> i'm okay with running upgrades every 6 months
[22:14] <nacc> zoey: totally up to you?
[22:14] <connorkmc> what should i use
[22:15] <zoey> nacc i know i mean i notice there are a lot of things like python 3.6 i have to add manually which i sad
[22:15] <oerheks> zoey, for pure python 3 development, yes.
[22:15] <wonko> he probably needs the i386 libc6
[22:15] <nacc> zoey: if you want the latest, use the latest, i'd say
[22:15] <zoey> ok
[22:15] <oerheks> python 2 is dropped in 17.10
[22:16] <wonko> but yes install from the system packages. easiest. :)
[22:16] <kostkon> zoey, if pypi isn't enough to cover your needs so yeah use the latest
[22:16] <wonko> oerheks: so Ubuntu is finally free of Python2?
[22:16] <zoey> uwu
[22:16] <zoey> thanks
[22:16] <nacc> oerheks: not entirely true
[22:17] <nacc> (at least afaik)
[22:17] <zoey> i'm donating to ubuuntu for the first time XD
[22:17] <nacc> !info python artful
[22:17] <kostkon> zoey, thumbs up for that
[22:17] <zoey> i like the sliders
[22:17] <nacc> oerheks: i believe we're close, though, to not needing it
[22:17] <nacc> connorkmc: please ask in the channel
[22:18] <connorkmc> k
[22:18] <nacc> connorkmc: just do `sudo apt update; sudo apt install steam`
[22:18] <connorkmc> k
[22:18] <nacc> connorkmc: although you still never told me the output of the commands i aksed for
[22:18] <nacc> connorkmc: it's really hard to help you if you don't provide that
[22:19] <wonko> nacc: will the steam package in the default repo auto-install the 32-bit stuff?
[22:19] <omi> nacc, apt-key was the issue.. for some reason, it wasn't using the http proxy setting in apt.conf.
[22:19] <wonko> dollars to donuts that's his issue
[22:19] <nacc> wonko: afaik, steam will install correctly, yes
[22:19] <JohnnyR030T> https://askubuntu.com/questions/40416/why-is-lib-libc-so-6-missing
[22:19] <omi> nacc,  apt-key adv --keyserver-options http-proxy=http://USER:PASSWORD@PROXY_URL:PORT/ --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys GPG_KEY solved it for me.
[22:19] <connorkmc> i have just stared with linux
[22:19] <nacc> wonko: if using the partner version
[22:19] <nacc> wonko: if they are using the one from steam, that's offtopic for here
[22:19] <nacc> omi: interesting
[22:20] <nacc> connorkmc: then you definitely should not have used gdebi :)
[22:20] <connorkmc> what im i suposed to use then
[22:20] <wonko> nacc: I just checked my system (Don't actually *use* steam on it, but it's installed) and it looks like I got it from the repo and it gave me no issue so it likely installs all the 32-bit stuff
[22:21] <JohnnyR030T> @connorkmc, yea, you should use the gnome software store than.
[22:21] <nacc> connorkmc: do you know what gdebi is doig?
[22:21] <nacc> connorkmc: use the UI package manager (software or wahtever it's called)
[22:21] <nacc> wonko: yeah, i've used it a few times here, in 16.04 and on without issue
[22:21] <connorkmc> no i fallowed a tutorial on youtube
[22:21] <nacc> connorkmc: yeah, don't do that either :)
[22:21] <connorkmc> by dave benet
[22:22] <wonko> oh god, youtube tutorials
[22:22] <JohnnyR030T> lol :)
[22:22] <nacc> connorkmc: unless you *know* the tutorial is current, it's probably wrong
[22:22] <nacc> sad to say
[22:22] <connorkmc> thats y i  got xchat
[22:22] <nacc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Valve
[22:22] <JohnnyR030T> Yea, I've broken quite a few installs that way.
[22:22] <kostkon> connorkmc, well it wasn't a good one otherwise you wouldn't be here asking for help
[22:22] <connorkmc> yah
[22:22] <nacc> the "Installation" section, in particular
[22:23] <JohnnyR030T> Great way to learn what not to do is on youtube tuts. lol
[22:23] <nacc> even if that is out of date (it is, it appears a bit), it's still more authoritative than a third-party youtube video
[22:23] <connorkmc> k
[22:24] <nacc> we might even have a faq for it
[22:24] <nacc> !steam
[22:24] <nacc> there you go :)
[22:25] <JohnnyR030T> Ah, nice! :)
[22:27] <connorkmc> i have the deb file for steam what now
[22:27] <nacc> connorkmc: why?
[22:27] <nacc> connorkmc: you don't need the .deb
[22:27] <nacc> connorkmc: i feel like you're not reading what we're saying
[22:28] <connorkmc> ok then what do
[22:28] <nacc> connorkmc: from a terminal, run `sudo apt update; sudo apt install steam`. Or from the UI package manager, search for steam and install it.
[22:30] <B105PH3RE> so inspircd I can't find where the "network name" or Welcome message is... I remember I had a console gui when I first setup the server... but where can I change this sinformation its not in /etc/inspircd/inspircd.conf
[22:30] <connorkmc> nothing happend
[22:30] <nacc> connorkmc: ok, so maybe it is already installed?
[22:30] <connorkmc> idk
[22:30] <nacc> connorkmc: why haven't you provided the output I asked for20 minutes ago?
[22:31] <connorkmc> im new what it the output comand
[22:31] <nacc> connorkmc: what is the output of `lsb_release -sd`
[22:31] <nacc> connorkmc: and `apt-cache policy steam`
[22:32] <connorkmc> idk
[22:32] <nacc> connorkmc: ok, you have to be kidding me or trolling
[22:32] <nacc> connorkmc: run those commands and c&p the output here
[22:32] <nacc> "idk" is not a valid response
[22:33] <marting> Hi, I asked in #kubuntu, but was transferred here: I installed kubuntu 17.10 today, and noticed that with netextender (VPN solution of SonicWall), I have a major memory leak (java). How do I debug this? Any suggestions?
[22:33] <marting> Are there any alternatives to netExtender for sonicwall vpn?
[22:33] <kostkon> connorkmc, you are gonna be deemed a lost cause and not get help anymore by anyone
[22:33] <marting> ‎ it is eating about 8 MB per second
[22:34] <marting> On another machine, running Fedora, and the exact same version of java (openjdk 1.8.0._144, build 18.0_144_b01), and the exact same version of netextender (8.6.801), there is no memory leak. It is stable at ~130MB
[22:34] <connorkmc> steam:i386 is already the newest version (1.0.0.54).
[22:34] <connorkmc> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 131 not upgraded.
[22:34] <connorkmc> (xenial)connorkmc@localhost:~$
[22:34] <kostkon> connorkmc, that's better
[22:34] <nacc> connorkmc: not at all the commands I asked for, but something
[22:34] <nacc> connorkmc: ok, do the same for the commands I *did* ask for
[22:35] <nacc> connorkmc: also that version of steam is not available in any supported ubuntu currently.
[22:35] <connorkmc> Reading package lists... Done
[22:35] <connorkmc> N: Skipping acquire of configured file 'non-free/binary-armhf/Packages' as repository 'http://repository.spotify.com stable InRelease' doesn't support architecture 'armhf'
[22:35] <connorkmc> N: Skipping acquire of configured file 'games/binary-armhf/Packages' as repository 'http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu xenial-getdeb InRelease' doesn't support architecture 'armhf'
[22:35] <connorkmc> N: Skipping acquire of configured file 'main/binary-armhf/Packages' as repository 'https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/ubuntu xenial InRelease' doesn't support architecture 'armhf'
[22:35] <connorkmc> E: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/glennric/dolphin-emu/ubuntu xenial Release' does not have a Release file.
[22:35] <connorkmc> N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
[22:36] <B105PH3RE> anyone able to help with my inspircd problem?
[22:36] <kostkon> !paste | connorkmc, not here, there→
[22:36] <nacc> connorkmc: also, not at all what we asked for!
[22:37] <nacc> connorkmc: please read the commands I gave you, and use those, don't provide random command outputs unless asked for
[22:37] <nacc> connorkmc: also are you on armhf??
[22:37] <nacc> connorkmc: i don't think steam supports anything other than i386
[22:38] <connorkmc> oh
[22:38] <nacc> connorkmc: and even if it did, I don't thinkn you're running a supported release
[22:38] <connorkmc> k
[22:38] <Jordan_U> connorkmc: What kind of computer do you have? Please post a link to the exact video you were following.
[22:39] <kostkon> connorkmc, what is your hardware, just wondering If you know, that is
[22:39] <nacc> and what version of ubuntu, I don't think it's actually xenial (based upon the apt output), but really would like to see the lsb_release and policy output
[22:40] <connorkmc> ok then i was trying to install synaptic  manager  and it worked till i tryed opinign it it didnt open
[22:41] <connorkmc> ?
[22:42] <nacc> connorkmc: I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not willing to help you until you provide the output of those two commands asked for, and probably the answer to Jordan_U / kostkon's question
[22:43] <connorkmc> i have tryed to run xfce on a chromebook
[22:43] <kostkon> connorkmc, there it is
[22:44] <Jordan_U> connorkmc: If you have an ARM based, rather than x86 based, chromebook then you cannot run steam.
[22:45] <connorkmc> k thx
[22:45] <nacc> connorkmc: as to the synaptic question, provide the output of the commands (at least lsb_release) and probably `apt-cache policy synaptic`
[22:46] <connorkmc> synaptic:
[22:46] <connorkmc>   Installed: 0.83
[22:46] <connorkmc>   Candidate: 0.83
[22:46] <connorkmc>   Version table:
[22:46] <connorkmc>  *** 0.83 500
[22:46] <connorkmc>         500 http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports xenial/universe armhf Packages
[22:47] <kostkon> yep, older arm based chromebook. It must be
[22:47] <connorkmc> there
[22:48] <kostkon> connorkmc, no steam for you on this hardware, I'm afraid
[22:48] <connorkmc> k
[22:49] <kostkon> connorkmc, it that all? for today at least
[22:49] <kostkon> connorkmc, anything else we can help you with
[22:49] <Jordan_U> connorkmc: Most Open Source games, those available in the Ubuntu software Center, should work on your hardware. Most closed source games (Almost all games you might buy) will not work on ARM.
[22:49] <connorkmc> the synaaptic
[22:50] <nacc> connorkmc: as to synaptic, what happens when you run `synaptic` from the commandlien?
[22:50] <nacc> connorkmc: annd again use a pastebin!
[22:50] <Jordan_U> connorkmc: I would recommend trying Ubuntu Software Center rather than synaptic. Ubuntu Software Center is much simpler to use.
[22:50] <nacc> Jordan_U: good call
[22:51] <connorkmc> synaptic:
[22:51] <connorkmc>   Installed: 0.83
[22:51] <connorkmc>   Candidate: 0.83
[22:51] <connorkmc>   Version table:
[22:51] <connorkmc>  *** 0.83 500
[22:51] <connorkmc>         500 http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports xenial/universe armhf Packages
[22:51] <nacc> connorkmc: no, you've already give us that, and agai you didn't use a pastebin.
[22:51] <oerheks> don't flood the servers please
[22:51]  * maheshpec 
[22:51] <nacc> connorkmc: actually run the command 'synaptic' and tell us what happens
[22:51] <dax> connorkmc: read what people in here and Drone in PM are telling you, thnaks.
[22:52] <dax> wait why am i opped again
[22:52] <nacc> lol
[22:52] <connorkmc> synaptic
[22:53] <oerheks> dax, weekend-fingers, totally op-toppic
[22:53] <connorkmc> it says comand not found
[22:53] <dax> oh that's right, i was banforwarding someone here. ok. i am not crazy. good.
[22:54] <oerheks> ubuntu xfce synaptic
[23:01] <Thunder_Tw> do people still talk on irc these days, or are it just zombies signing in and out?
[23:02] <nacc> Thunder_Tw: are you a zombie?
[23:03] <Thunder_Tw> I might be
[23:03] <nacc> Thunder_Tw: as in, yes, irc is still very active
[23:06] <Thunder_Tw> Back in my gaming days I only used irc for counter-strike, clans. I assumed there would be more activity with 1200 people if i compare back at channels that big back then
[23:07] <nacc> Thunder_Tw: this isn't a chat channel, it's a support channel.
[23:07] <Thunder_Tw> my mistake
[23:07] <nacc> Thunder_Tw: consider #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic depending on your goal
[23:08] <Thunder_Tw> thanks for the tip
[23:13] <cong> how do i remove the us keyboard from windows? i don't have it installed but it still shows up.
[23:13] <nacc> cong: windows as in the operating system?
[23:13] <cong> nah im talking about some other operating system
[23:14] <nacc> cong: you are in the ubuntu support channel, maybe you want ##windows or whatever
[23:14] <nacc> cong: so maybe take your snark elsewhere
[23:14] <Thunder_Tw> wundows from mucrosuft and bull gits xD
[23:14] <cong> yeah fucks windows hahaha
[23:16] <Gorwell> Hello, I have a problem with a ISO file I downloaded. If i want to execute cat/file/lsattr/sha1sum/etc <file_name> it doesn't seem that I don't have permissions to read the file. What could be causing this problem?
[23:16] <Gorwell> I already chmoded 777 it
[23:17] <nacc> Gorwell: can you pastebin the output of `ls -ahl /path/to/file; file /path/to/file` ?
[23:19] <Gorwell> nacc: sure, http://paste.ubuntu.com/25781796/
[23:19] <Gorwell> (I am running as root)
[23:19] <nacc> Gorwell: ok, the same but as the user who is getting th epermissio issue?
[23:20] <nacc> Gorwell: my guess is your user does ont have read access to the directroy the iso file is in (or some path above it)
[23:20] <Gorwell> nacc: yes, I am getting the problem as root and as any other user
[23:20] <nacc> Gorwell: hrm? it just worked as root
[23:21] <Gorwell> nacc: no, I don't have read permission to the file even as root
[23:21] <nacc> Gorwell: you just read the file.
[23:21] <codepython777> is there a way to put /boot and /swap inside / with a single fs for / eating all of the hard drive?
[23:21] <nacc> Gorwell: or `file` wouldn't have worked
[23:21] <nacc> codepython777: yes, just have a / when you setup your system
[23:21] <nacc> codepython777: and use swapfiles (not swap partitions)
[23:22] <Gorwell> nacc: I can't do cat <filename> or anything related to it. If I try cat <filename> I get: cat: <filename>: Operation not permitted
[23:22] <Gorwell> I get the same error while trying to do lsattr
[23:23] <codepython777> nacc: when i do the installer fails - could not install grub
[23:23] <nacc> Gorwell: you just did a `file <filename>` right?
[23:23] <nacc> Gorwell: cat'ing an iso is not probably waht you want to do anyways
[23:23] <nacc> codepython777: what installer (which version of ubuntu)?
[23:23] <Thunder_Tw> nacc was thinking that too
[23:24] <Gorwell> nacc: yes I did. I know I don't want to do that, I am just trying to figure why I can't read the file even as root
[23:24] <Thunder_Tw> cat just prints the content of the file to your screen
[23:24] <codepython777> nacc: 16.04.3 LTS
[23:24] <nacc> codepython777: hrm, it should work
[23:26] <nacc> Gorwell: it's also strange that it's saying your iso is a  'regular file' -- is it not an ISO?
[23:27] <Gorwell> nacc: I know. It is an ISO, I downloaded the exact same file in macOS and it came up fine, moved it to Ubuntu and still got this error
[23:27] <Thunder_Tw> Gorwell: I do not see why annyone with root acces and a file with read permission active can not be read either. But I'm no expert
[23:27] <codepython777> nacc: I am now trying to add boot (512Mb - reserved bios area type) + swap and see if that will work
[23:28] <nacc> codepython777: ah sorry, perhaps you do need a /boot still (i'm not 100% on that), due to the limits of what grub can address
[23:28] <nacc> codepython777: but you don't need a swap for sure
[23:28] <nacc> Gorwell: you moved it from macos to ubuntu? how did you move it?
[23:29] <codepython777> nacc: Does /boot have to be "reserved bios area type"?
[23:29] <Gorwell> nacc: I downloaded countless times from the web and then tried downloading it on my macOS and grabbing it with scp.
[23:29] <wonko> nope, didn't fix it. :(
[23:30] <nacc> codepython777: i don't think so
[23:30] <nacc> codepython777: my /boot is just a regular Linxu filesystem (ext2)
[23:30] <nacc> Gorwell: i really don't know, sorry
[23:30] <nacc> Gorwell: it's strnage that file is able to read it, when it says no read permission
[23:31] <Gorwell> nacc: it's okay, thanks anyway. I don't really know what might be causing this too.
[23:31] <Gorwell> I will download Ubuntu's ISO to run fsck now.
[23:31] <codepython777> nacc: even with /boot -> A bootable device has not been detected
[23:31] <nacc> codepython777:  a /boot partitio, right?
[23:32] <codepython777> nacc: I do have that
[23:32] <codepython777> i chose ext4 for it, ubuntu said it needed to be "reserved bios type" so i did that - now its not bootable
[23:32] <nacc> codepython777: you don't generally want a journal on /boot ... i don't know about any of that stuff
[23:33] <nacc> codepython777: i feel like you can just take the defaults for /boot
[23:33] <codepython777> I just need to manually parition before installing
[23:33] <codepython777> I want my / to be btrfs - I dont care about /boot - but the installer wont let me ignore it.
[23:34] <nacc> codepython777: why do you need to do it before installing?
[23:34] <nacc> codepython777: or , rather, why can't you do it from the installer?
[23:34] <codepython777> Isnt it cleaner to select FS before install?
[23:34] <nacc> not at all
[23:34] <nacc> it's rather abnormal, imo
[23:35] <codepython777> nacc: so install ubuntu, then change the parition fs to another type?
[23:36] <nacc> codepython777: in the installer do that
[23:36] <nacc> codepython777: i've never pre-partitioned a system, never had a reason to
[23:36] <nacc> codepython777: i just install it to an empty disk and choose what i want in the isntaller
[23:37] <rdh> you have to have a file system before putting files on it, changing a filesystem requires reinstalling files afterwards
[23:37] <nacc> rdh: i don't believe anyone said anything different
 nacc: so install ubuntu, then change the parition fs to another type? nacc
[23:38] <nacc> rdh: and i clarified that i meant in the installer
[23:38] <nacc> rdh: i see your point, though
[23:40] <alsetema> I am here again to ask for help, once again. I have decided to fully install ubuntu 17.10 on my laptop and remove windows. In the ubuntu instalation options I set it to erase everything and install ubuntu on my drive. Now when I boot, something weird happens. a UEFI box shows up telling me ubuntu boot failed, then I hit okay, then it tells me Windows boot manager failed to boot too, and then it will
[23:40] <rdh> nacc, setting up your partitions before installing ubuntu shouldn't be an issue, unless ubuntu's kernel doesnt have support for brtfs
[23:40] <alsetema> prompt me to an EFI shell. FOr me to be able to boot into ubuntu, i need to go into some kind of menu (hitting escape) > boot from file> select ubuntu drive> efi> boot file. then grub will show up. How can i fix this so when I boot  my pc it automatically loads grub and not to the efi shell?
[23:41] <nacc> rdh: right, but it also shouldn't be necessary
[23:41] <nacc> rdh: unless you're using zfs as root, i think
[23:41] <codepython777> rdh: Am still unable to boot from an install that I can get from manual partitions
[23:41] <codepython777> trying another one this time
[23:45] <nacc> alsetema: did you perhaps install non-efi ubuntu on a efi-enabled machine?
[23:45] <nacc> alsetema: or v.v.
[23:46] <alsetema> I don't think so, since the installer gave me a message saying expressively i was installing an EFI version, and asked me if I wanted to proceed
[23:47] <nacc> alsetema: ok
[23:47] <alsetema> And to boot from the USB i had to go through the same "boot from file" menu, go to the pendrive, then EFI folder, and there i found two files, apparently no matter what file i chose (grub or boot) it prompted me to the same screen, nacc
[23:48] <alsetema> It's like somehow the efi list of OS' is not being updated... it still shows windows boot manager as an "option" when it is no longer installed
[23:57] <codepython777> nacc: what is intereting -> if i just create a / -btrfs on the entire disk and then install ubuntu - it refuses to boot
[23:58] <codepython777> if i add a /boot - > 512MB + / - it still refuses to boot
[23:58] <codepython777> not sure what I am doing wrong