[00:01] <Thunder_Tw> codepython777: I'm an old user, no expert. But if i have to guess there's still some windows stuff on your computer somehow.
[00:02] <codepython777> Thunder_Tw: Another data point - when I do exactly the same partition - it works beautifully in VM
[00:03] <Thunder_Tw> in VM you have a blank BIOS and EUFI settings
[00:04] <Thunder_Tw> i don't know where or how to get there but somewhere in bios there's a program that tells what and where to boot. if that space was full when ubuntu tried to add it's grub then that would explain. but I'm no expert, i might be horribly wrong
[00:05] <alsetema> Thunder_Tw: I think that could be applicable to my problem too
[00:05] <alsetema> It's like old UEFI boot ooptions are still there but not the new ubuntu one I want
[00:06] <Thunder_Tw> Be carefull if you fiddle around the bios settings. if everything fails by fiddling though. (or first)try to find the bios-reset in the manual
[00:07] <rdh> alsetema, codepython777, efibootmgr can be used to manange efi entries
[00:07] <codepython777> Thunder_Tw: I think its the machine/bios - not the ubuntu installer
[00:07] <codepython777> rdh: Should I move to legacy instead of uefi ?
[00:08] <wonko> hmmm, I wonder if the onboard ASPEED video is causing me issues somehow
[00:10] <rdh> codepython777, im not sure if that will help.
[00:11] <slimetrap> hi! i just bought a new computer and i thought i could use um... the default backup util (the one with a black safe as icon) to restore the backup i made on my old laptop, but it turns out this is not so :( is this impossible?
[00:11] <slimetrap> it's just a backup of my home directory
[00:11] <Thunder_Tw> found an interesting read about EUFI and booting: https://www.happyassassin.net/2014/01/25/uefi-boot-how-does-that-actually-work-then/
[00:12] <shakermaker> slime, dont think backup works that way. its not like an image.
[00:12] <slimetrap> i just wanna grab some files darn
[00:12] <shakermaker> likely need to install the packages u use after backup
[00:13] <shakermaker> what files
[00:13] <slimetrap> i wanna use a different backup util then... i want to be able to grab my files even if my laptop is fried this seems like a really bad model
[00:13] <rdh> codepython777, btrfs seems to be more hands on then just partitioning it and installing.
[00:13] <slimetrap> just the files in my /home directory is what i backed up
[00:14] <slimetrap> i cannot seem to restore them or copy them onto new machine
[00:19] <alsetema> rdh: I am looking a bit at efibootmgr and it seems to be just what I need.
[00:20] <alsetema> If this works I will cry
[00:20] <shakermaker> slime, why cant you restore from deja dup backup
[00:20] <shakermaker> is that what you are trying to do
[00:25] <alsetema> People, efibootmgr shows this when I try to remove a boot entry Could not delete variable: Interrupted system call
[00:26] <Thunder_Tw> slimetrap: what you want to do is exactly what deja-dup exists for. What whent wrong? Did you remove the backup folder?
[00:26] <alsetema> Is there a way to overcome this?
[00:26] <slimetrap> Thunder_Tw, no it's on my usb drive
[00:27] <slimetrap> Thunder_Tw, the backup on the uusb drive is a deja-dup backup from my old laptop
[00:27] <Thunder_Tw> then you should be able to select "Restore" in the overview of that black box program
[00:27] <slimetrap> i'm not tho
[00:28] <slimetrap> it just ssees the one i made on this computer
[00:29] <Thunder_Tw> doesn't he ask "Restore from where?" and allow you to select your usb-folder as restore point?
[00:30] <slimetrap> wait!
[00:30] <slimetrap> it sees it now
[00:30] <slimetrap> ...
[00:30] <slimetrap> wtf
[00:30] <slimetrap> owo
[00:30] <connorkmc> hi
[00:30] <Thunder_Tw> oi
[00:31] <connorkmc> how do i get python on linux?
[00:31] <slimetrap> connorkmc, you can sudo apt install python3 if that's what you want
[00:31] <slimetrap> connorkmc, otherwise python2 is included by default
[00:31] <slimetrap> check version with python --version
[00:32] <connorkmc> it was not able to fine package
[00:33] <leftyfb> connorkmc: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[00:33] <connorkmc> i think 16.06
[00:33] <leftyfb> connorkmc: type: cat /etc/issue
[00:34] <Thunder_Tw> connorkmc: try uname -r
[00:34] <Thunder_Tw> oh damn sorry bad of me
[00:34] <leftyfb> Thunder_Tw: uname -r gives the kernel, not the distro release
[00:34] <leftyfb> connorkmc: lsb_release -r
[00:35] <Thunder_Tw> indeed my bad, i was thinking about the wrong command
[00:48] <bryanfrommacau> hi
[00:49] <bryanfrommacau> I want to change some content under /home/user/.local/share/openlp
[00:49] <Thunder_Tw> k
[00:50] <bryanfrommacau> but the permissions are set so that only the owner can change the content
[00:51] <bryanfrommacau> when I try to change the permissions, I get "operation not permitted"
[00:51] <Thunder_Tw> bryanfrommacau: also with sudo?
[00:51] <bryanfrommacau> I am trying to do this using PCManFM
[00:52] <bryanfrommacau> using a gui
[00:53] <bryanfrommacau> I'm not sure what command to type in the terminal....something about chmod?
[00:53] <connorkmc> i want python but i dont know how to get it
[00:54] <connorkmc> piz help
[00:54] <Thunder_Tw> bryanfrommacau: try: gksu PCManFM
[00:54] <Sven_vB> connorkmc, usually Python ships with Ubuntu
[00:54] <Thunder_Tw> bryanfrommacau: it wil open your file manager as root
[00:54] <connorkmc> oh i dont have it on mine
[00:55] <connorkmc> im on ver 16.04.2
[00:55] <bryanfrommacau> ok I'll try
[00:55] <connorkmc> for xfce
[00:55] <Thunder_Tw> connorkmc: try the command: sudo apt-get install python
[00:56] <connorkmc> it says python is set to manuly install and is newest ver
[00:56] <Bashing-om> connorkmc: sure that you have 2 versions of python installed . In terminal type ' dpkg -l python* ' . See what all is there !
[00:58] <connorkmc> i typed it
[00:58] <connorkmc> there lots
[00:58] <connorkmc> what do do
[00:58] <bryanfrommacau> That is working
[00:58] <bryanfrommacau> thanks~
[00:58] <bryanfrommacau> ! :)
[00:59] <Thunder_Tw> connorkmc: to reinstall: sudo apt-get purge python
[01:00] <Thunder_Tw> connorkmc: then install again and shoose python2 or python3 like: sudo apt-get install python3
[01:00] <connorkmc> k deleting it now
[01:02] <connorkmc> ok installed it
[01:02] <connorkmc> is says o installed 127 not upgraded
[01:03] <connorkmc> idk what to do
[01:03] <Thunder_Tw> try: sudo apt-get update      then: sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:03] <Thunder_Tw> then install python again
[01:04] <Thunder_Tw> no reinstall cause 0 installed sounds like not installed to me
[01:05] <Thunder_Tw> connorkmc: if succesfull, this command should confirm: python --version
[01:05] <connorkmc> k thx upgrading now
[01:05] <connorkmc> 5 more mins
[01:06] <jac76> can I ask questions about lubuntu here?
[01:07] <jac76> never mind, I just found a channel for that.
[01:07] <Thunder_Tw> jac76: I think you can. no punishments for asking stuff here as far as i know
[01:07] <mejnour> Hello everyone. I have a headset that's outputting my input. It's not leaking. Even if the volume is low, they can hear everything. Is there a way to solve this?
[01:08] <dax> jac76: Lubuntu is fine both here and in #lubuntu (though I'd stick to asking in one of the two at a time otherwise people end up duplicating effort)
[01:09] <Thunder_Tw> mejnour: right click that volume icon in the top right and go to options. If there is an option for that it's likely there
[01:09] <connorkmc> it says python 2.7.12
[01:09] <connorkmc>  how do i open pyhton
[01:11] <marijuana> hi, im running 16.04.  where has /var/log/messages gone?
[01:11] <mejnour> Thunder_Tw, I can't see an option, tho.
[01:11] <Thunder_Tw> connorkmc: for info about using the program pyhton try: man python
[01:12] <mejnour> Thunder_Tw, I mean, I'm in the sounds options right now and there isnt any sort of fine tunning regarding this. At least, none that I can spot.
[01:12] <jackle> you needs python3?
[01:13] <mejnour> Thunder_Tw, nonetheless, its odd that I have 3 hardware sound inputs...
[01:13] <marijuana> or some other place i can look for system messages/events/etc
[01:14] <mejnour> although I have only my PCs mic and my headset mic...
[01:15] <connorkmc> yah idk
[01:15] <Soltis> Are there any Ubuntu system scripts that enable read_only on mariadb/mysql for any reason?
[01:17] <Thunder_Tw> connorkmc: are you more like interested to learn how to use python try a tutorial, loads on the internet, even youtube vids i guess but you have a working pyhton on yout linux machine
[01:17] <connorkmc> k thx for all the help
[01:18] <Thunder_Tw> mejnour: I'm no expert, i was hoping it would be there
[01:23] <theablestman> hi
[01:23] <mejnour> Thunder_Tw, Ok then. I'll try to elaborate my problem and ask here again in a few
[01:23] <theablestman> i installed gnome and remove it still show logo before unity
[01:24] <Thunder_Tw> mejnour: yeah, seems like the best option for now :)
[01:24] <theablestman> grey screen then another grey screen with paws and loading
[01:26] <mejnour> Guys, when I connect a certain headset, my system starts to output all my inputs, even the ones that's not mic-related. Let's say I play a video on YT, people starts hear it even if It's not loud. So I think It's an audio leak, It's like the system is set to "hear everything". How do I change that?
[01:26] <mejnour> So I think it's NOT an audio leak* sorry
[01:26] <marijuana> where can i go to see system messages/events since ubuntu nuked /var/log/messages?
[01:27] <marijuana> id expect this kind of thing from fedora, but.. i guess we are talking about a debian dist, nm
[01:27] <theablestman> i install gnome and revert back to unity but when my system load it show grey blank screen then gnome logo loading screen then unity login
[01:29] <theablestman> how do i complete remove gnome?
[01:30] <Thunder_Tw> theablestman: did you use apt-get remove instead of apt-get purge perhaps?
[01:30] <theablestman> think so
[01:31] <Thunder_Tw> purge also removes configuration files
[01:31] <theablestman> everything is gone but that
[01:31] <theablestman> how?
[01:31] <Thunder_Tw> like: sudo apt-get purge <what you want removed, like gnome>
[01:31] <theablestman> k
[01:32] <kostkon> mejnour, you could try the following: install pavucontrol, open it and click on Recording and see if the input device for the app you are using the mic on is set to the monitor of your sound card
[01:33] <theablestman> did apt-get remover gnome and apt-get purge gnome it did nothing
[01:33] <pankaj_> Is the naming convention of devices (in /dev directory) on different linux distributions same? I searched on ubuntu community about this but the page is not present.
[01:44] <marijuana> pankaj_ nothing is the same in linux distributions
[01:44] <marijuana> sometimes yes.  but no guarantee.  and they like to change things a lot
[01:45] <pankaj_> marijuana: So, what is the naming convention of devices on ubuntu. I searched on ubuntu community wiki but found not answers.
[01:45] <marijuana> for example, almost every distro in the history of forever has had "/var/log/messages" but now somebody decided that we dont need that anymore
[01:45] <kk4ewt> kostkon,  what exactly are you looking for
[01:45] <marijuana> i dont know, im here for answers too
[01:46] <kk4ewt> pankaj_,  it depends on the device
[01:46] <pankaj_> marijuana: But logs are very much important. What about them now?
[01:47] <kk4ewt> pankaj_,  on some distros jounalctl takes care of the logs now
[01:48] <pankaj_> marijuana: I am talking about the naming convention. Sometimes the names are different but how can they depend on the device?
[01:48] <pankaj_> kk4ewt: What is it?
[01:48] <kk4ewt> pankaj_,  are you looking for like hd or what
[01:49] <kk4ewt> fdisk -l  may can answer your question on the hard drives
[01:49] <cong> are you looking for /dev/hda?
[01:49] <cong> dev is short for device
[01:49] <pankaj_> kk4ewt: Yes, because sometimes I read different linux books (not ubuntu sometimes) and their I get different naming so I am always confused. So, what about their naming like hd or sda on ubuntu and which device they represent.
[01:51] <pankaj_> cong: Yes, I know that. But is not there any list that represents that which device represents which file in /dev?
[01:51] <kk4ewt> fdisk -l
[01:51] <pankaj_> cong: And also helps me to understand about their 'n' numeric value at the last.
[01:52] <cong> i don't really use linux so here you go http://www.tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/dev-fs.html
[01:53] <cong> my world is filled with drives like c: and d:
[01:53] <pankaj_> kk4ewt: I can see 'ram1', 'ram2', 'ram3' ...........'ram15'. What do these n values represent. Are these the temporary memory partitions in the RAM ?
[01:53] <kk4ewt> top
[01:53] <pankaj_> cong: OK
[01:55] <pankaj_> cong: It is very nice.
[02:05] <mr_zeng> hello !
[02:07] <marijuana> i see libpng12 and libpng16 in apt but i need 14 why is it not there
[02:21] <marijuana> any takers?
[02:21] <marijuana> libping14?
[02:21] <marijuana> libpng rather
[02:27] <marijuana> well i guess ill build it myself
[02:27] <Pwnna> i noticed that when i launched xfce4-terminal my path get a mystical /snap/bin appended to it but when i'm using tty1, that path is not being appended
[02:28] <Pwnna> (using zsh)
[02:28] <Pwnna> but i can't find where/how it is being appeneded
[02:30] <Pwnna> nvm. it's coming from .profile but it's a part of my entire login
[02:35] <serotuna> where and which AMD drivers do I download? can't even get ubuntu to install normally on my gpu
[02:36] <Kerr-A> So I'm using ubuntu (server) LTS, and just upgraded from 14LTS to 16LTS and it upgraded JWM as well. I like everything so far but one thing: It used to be that the "TaskList" would only show applications running in the currently active virtual desktop. Now they always show regardless of what desktop is active. Is there a way to get the old function
[02:36] <Kerr-A> ality back?
[02:37] <Bashing-om> serotuna: AMD drivers are in the kernel now .
[02:37] <serotuna> i dunno what that means
[02:38] <jesse__> Hi!
[02:38] <jesse__> I am having an issue w/ fanctl and NetworkManager
[02:39] <Bashing-om> serotuna: There are no drivers ( not withstanding bleeding edge cards ) to be downloaded on 14.04.2++ releases .
[02:39] <serotuna> erm
[02:39] <serotuna> so 600x480 is desirable, then?
[02:39] <jesse__> wow that is low resolution
[02:40] <serotuna> lol
[02:40] <serotuna> i can't even get the install screen to show up on my 390
[02:40] <serotuna> so i'm definitely missing some sort of driver functionality
[02:40] <jesse__> sorry to jump in here - if I am having an issue what is a good way to report it
[02:40] <jesse__> or search to see if it has already been submitted?
[02:44] <ricardo_> There is any way to compile a graphic card to support a new version of openGL? I need a function from OpenGL 4.4 in my graphic card.
[02:45] <tatertots> jesse__: explain each of the two different issues, one at a time. Start with network manager, once you have made process on the network manager front, then and only then move into discussion of the fanctl issue.
[02:47] <Aldem> Hello there
[02:47] <Aldem> Currently messing with WSL
[02:54] <Kerr-A> My Issue is solved, was due to an atypical ubuntu default configuration
[03:07] <agarose> hi, I just installed Ubuntu (17.10 I think), is it possible to change the appearance of the bars above windows?
[03:07] <SomethignSpecial> I'm trying to install Ubuntu on a USB for persistent use. I am receiving the following error. Why? Thanks - "Busybox v1.222.1 Ubuntu 1:1.22.0-19ubuntu2 Built-in shell (ssh), Enter 'help" for a list of built-in commands, (intramfs) Unable to find a medium containing a live file system"
[03:08] <agarose> SomethignSpecial, what did you do to install Ubuntu on the USB so far?
[03:08] <mint_> I downloaded the ISO and tried to use Yumbi at first
[03:13] <SomethignSpecial> I'm recieving it at boot
[03:19] <pankaj_> What is meant that 'fd0' - first floppy drive, 'fd1' - second floppy drive. What is meant by first and second?
[03:19] <bcowan> pankaj_: yes
[03:20] <pankaj_> bcowan: What?
[03:21] <[n0mad]> First and second seem pretty self explanatory
[03:22] <[n0mad]> Primary and secondary are probably more appropriate
[03:22] <bcowan> Means drive a: and b: in old school talk or winblows
[03:23] <bcowan> Floppy a:
[03:26] <pankaj_> bcowan: OK. I understood. But my sda is named in order sda1,sda2,sda5. Why not serially sda1,sda2,sda3?
[03:28] <kristhian> i installed ubuntu on other device, and find out that if i dont try to set it on high contrast
[03:28] <bcowan> pankaj_: idk maybe primary and extended partitions or there are other partitions not mounted or hidden between them
[03:28] <kristhian> i cant see the screen where i could find 'try ubuntu' or 'install ubuntu'
[03:28] <kristhian> is there a better way to fix this?
[03:30] <SomethignSpecial> For more detail, Windows 10 crashed and I'm not able to access it properly due to HDD crashing, I'm using the Ubuntu as a persistent means of computing until my new HDD arrives.
[03:32] <SomethignSpecial> I used the method of Yumi on another Windows PC. One second I have an idea, maybe Windows is screwing up the normal boot by trying to do some kind of error correcting on rebooting (again can't do it because HDD is crashing).
[03:32] <SomethignSpecial> I"m going to test the pendrive on another laptop
[03:32] <SomethignSpecial> I don't know
[03:38] <pinemore> @search Masha Gessen
[03:50] <hata_ph> hi all....i have a lenovo ideapad Z485 and i want to install ubuntu on it
[03:51] <hata_ph> but i can install 32 bit but not 64 bit version...try disable UEFI still the same...is there anything i can do?
[03:53] <Sveta`> What happens when you try to install the 64bit version?
[03:54] <ironrat> can anyone tell me what I need to do to get my 390 working on ubuntu after installing via nomodeset?
[03:54] <hata_ph> it just show black screen...but when i use the 32bit iso...can install
[03:55] <hata_ph> i try use nomodeset...still not able to boot 64bit
[03:56] <hata_ph> able to boot and install windows 7 64bit
[03:56] <Sveta`> hata_ph: that has amd cpu, try the amd version
[03:57] <Sveta`> i may be wrong, but thats the first impression
[03:57] <hata_ph> Sveta`: do u mean the amd64 version?
[03:57] <Sveta`> yes
[03:57] <hata_ph> i am using amd64
[03:57] <bcowan> That’s funny
[03:58] <Sveta`> install ubuntu amd64, it gives you exactly the same stuff you expected from 64bit
[03:58] <hata_ph> ubuntu-16.04.2-desktop-amd64
[03:58] <Sveta`> yes that
[03:58] <hata_ph> that is the iso i download
[03:58] <hata_ph> same
[03:58] <Sveta`> if it works... so what is the problem?
[03:59] <hata_ph> i try ubuntu, fedora...all 64bit version will not boot...can boot on 32bit version
[03:59] <Sveta`> you just said amd64 boots. is this correct?
[03:59] <hata_ph> i mean will not boot meaning will not start the installation process
[04:00] <hata_ph> sorry no...64bit will not boot...if not mistaken amd64 is 64bit...there is not intel64...right?
[04:00] <Sveta`> ok
[04:00] <Sveta`> amd64 does not start the install process
[04:00] <Sveta`> does amd64 boot into live cd?
[04:00] <bcowan> you may have a 32 bit efi or your uefi settings are wrong
[04:00] <hata_ph> any idea? it is my laptop do not support 64bit?
[04:01] <hata_ph> amd64 will not boot to live cd...32bit can boot to live cd and install fine...
[04:01] <Sveta`> i'm trying to do web search on "AMD Trinity A4/A6/A8/A10/E2 series APU " but the results i get look irrelevant, maybe my search keywords are wrong
[04:01] <Sveta`> i would like to find out whether it's 32bit or 64bit
[04:01] <hata_ph> do ubuntu suport 32bit efi?
[04:02] <hata_ph> i try disable secure boot in bios...still the same
[04:02] <bcowan> 32 bit efi with 64 bit userland is a pain to install
[04:03] <hata_ph> :(
[04:03] <kristhian> hello i also have a problem installing ubuntu, i need to set it on high contrast first so i could see the 'try ubuntu' and 'install ubuntu' part
[04:04] <Sveta`> (sorry, i'll stop at this point, i do not know how to reinstall efi or change uefi settings)
[04:04] <hata_ph> so u all suspect is because of 32bit efi?
[04:04] <hata_ph> will disable secure boot help?
[04:04] <kristhian> what can i do to make easy?
[04:04] <bcowan> hata yes disable secure boot
[04:05] <roothorick> What's the easiest way to get a 4.13+ kernel on 16.04?
[04:05] <hata_ph> after disable secure boot still cannot boot to 64 bit os
[04:05] <roothorick> at least, something that apt will update over time
[04:08] <SomethignSpecial> So those who are still with me
[04:08] <SomethignSpecial> sorry for the wait
[04:09] <SomethignSpecial> I had to diagnose an acers secure boot/windows to even access the thumb and still same error
[04:09] <SomethignSpecial> The laptop I'm having this error on is non-secureboot
[04:10] <SomethignSpecial> So I'm not sure why I am receiving the error
[04:10] <bcowan> hata_ph: turn off fast boot also
[04:10] <SomethignSpecial> I'm going to try something else. I'll be back later. I really want to rule out Windows 10
[04:10] <SomethignSpecial> Ok I will
[04:10] <SomethignSpecial> Oh me
[04:10] <SomethignSpecial> sorry
[04:10] <SomethignSpecial> Thanks guys
[04:11] <hata_ph> don't think there is fast boot option in bios
[04:11] <hata_ph> bcowan: dun think there is fast boot option in bios
[04:11] <hata_ph> bcowan: i may try again later...is there any other option?
[04:13] <hata_ph> bcowan: could it be driver issue? but then that does not explain why it work on the 32bit iso too...
[04:14] <bcowan> hata_ph: does it boot at all or just nothing
[04:15] <bcowan> I see lots of video issues at boot time with that chipset
[04:15] <kristhian> can anyone help me out?
[04:15] <hata_ph> in 32bit...can boot and install. but in 64bit...can boot till the ubuntu grub menu...then black screen after that...
[04:16] <hata_ph> same happen with secure boot enable and disable
[04:18] <bcowan> hata_ph: I think it’s just a video driver issue especially if u can boot to grub
[04:19] <hata_ph> any way to confirm that? 32bit no problem thou
[04:46] <connorkmc> is there a way i can change my couser
[04:48] <mistform> Chinese hackers took over my ubuntu
[04:49] <connorkmc> is there a way
[04:49] <mistform> Okay, it's not as pressing as it sounds, but something fishy is going on
[04:49] <connorkmc> y
[04:50] <mistform> I have Ubuntu 14.pr
[04:50] <connorkmc> yes
[04:50] <mistform> 14.04 and when I try to change Firefox's homepage to "about:home" the field goes blank.
[04:50] <connorkmc> weird
[04:51] <mistform> I can type *anything* else into the homepage but as soon as I type the 'e' the field goes blank
[04:56] <mistform> I'm just going to get new Ubuntu version to install
[05:00] <connorkmc> i need help
[05:00] <connorkmc> is there a was to change your curser
[05:01] <connorkmc> is there anyone on
[05:02] <connorkmc> anyone
[05:04] <mistform>  /msg connorkmc yes, try it in mouse settings
[05:33] <sonu_nk> hi i am facing some issue https://paste.ubuntu.com/25783240/
[05:33] <sonu_nk> i just run update command
[05:33] <Hych> to get an executable file, will "make" do the job?
[05:33] <Hych> i don't want to install the file systemwide, just want an executable
[05:34] <Hych> ?
[05:45] <foobuntu> how do I run a bash script when I log in?
[05:46] <foobuntu> I want to add the startup script from a shell script, in an unattended and automated way
[05:46] <foobuntu> I don't want to need to use the GUI
[05:46] <foobuntu> I see that this GUI tool exists https://askubuntu.com/questions/48321/how-do-i-start-applications-automatically-on-login
[05:47] <foobuntu> but how would I do that on CLI
[05:47] <Mikeloveslinux> Hello
[05:47] <Mikeloveslinux> I am on Ubuntu 17,10 and ever since installing Ubuntu i am having issues with this laptop wifi
[05:47] <Mikeloveslinux> I can only get up to 1mbps on my 75mbps connection.
[05:47] <foobuntu> Mikeloveslinux: unfortunately with linux and laptops, that's probably unsurprising
[05:48] <Mikeloveslinux> My laptop uses Realtek wifi adapter drivers.. How do i get the device to get the full speed again
[05:48] <Mikeloveslinux> foobuntu is there any way to fix it?
[05:48] <foobuntu> Mikeloveslinux: I don't know, sorry
[05:51] <Jordan_U> Mikeloveslinux: Realtek's drivers have a bad reputation. You might be able to find newer drivers that perform better, but you also might not :(
[05:51] <Jordan_U> Mikeloveslinux: Please pastebin the output of "lspci".
[05:52] <Mikeloveslinux> Jordan_U https://paste.ubuntu.com/25783312/
[05:57] <Mikeloveslinux> I found something on github that says it makes it supported should i try it?
[06:00] <Jordan_U> Mikeloveslinux: Most likely no. If it's something claiming to make it supported then it's likely something from before the driver made it to the mainline kernel and is actually older than what you have. You want something that makes the support *better*.
[06:13] <Bashing-om> sonu_nk: As the systen advises: multiple sources - remove the duplicate entries ->cat -n /etc/apt/sources.list compated also to tail -v -n +1 /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* .
[06:30] <nightrain> Hello World
[06:31] <sirru5h> Hello nightrain
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> nightrain: welcome, what can we do for you?
[06:32] <nightrain> hanging out learn something new
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> nightrain: sure, idle here as you like, for chat try #ubuntu-offtopic & #ubuntu-discuss
[06:33] <nightrain> lotuspsychje: okay
[06:40] <littey> hi is there a way where we can find the various namespaces in a linux box
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> littey: you mean hostname?
[06:42] <littey>  lotuspsychje: no linux gives lxc containers and docker containers
[06:42] <littey> these containers work on namespaces
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> oh, ok not my cuppa teas sorry
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> !info namespaces
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> !info ip-netns
[06:47] <R-Smith> Is there a way to disable the transparency effect in the dock and menu bar in 1710?  If any window gets within a few pixels of the dock/menu bar it switches to non-transparent.  Really annoying.  It'd be better if it could just get disabled altogether
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> R-Smith: i think its possible with dconf-editor
[06:49] <R-Smith> Thanks, I'll check it out.  I was using the gnome tweak tool, but couldn't find the option in there
[06:58] <R-Smith> found half of it - /org/gnome/shell/extensions/dash-to-dock/transparency-mode
[06:59] <R-Smith> that'll let you disable the transparency shifting on the dock.  but the top menu bar still does that weird transparency shifting effect.  does anyone know if there's a way to control that?  can't find it in the dconf editor
[07:09] <vadi> I upgraded to Uuntu 17.10 as the dialog prompted me, restarted, but I'm back in 17.04: https://imgur.com/a/oOQx6
[07:09] <vadi> What is going on?
[07:14] <ducasse> vadi: looks like just a gui error, the text clearly says you're on 17.10
[07:14] <ducasse> no idea why the gui says that, though
[07:14] <vadi> GUI error? I'm still on Unity too
[07:15] <vadi> I thought that went the way of the dodo in 17.10.
[07:15] <ducasse> vadi: try logging out an see if you can select a gnome session
[07:16] <ducasse> unity still exists in 17.10, it's just no longer the default
[07:19] <vadi_> Yeah, I can select GNOME, but that doesn't help.
[07:19] <vadi_> Ubuntu still goes to 17.04 using Unity.
[07:20] <jangs> Hello
[07:21] <ducasse> vadi_: no, you definitely are on 17.10 - try 'sudo apt install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop'
[07:23] <vadi> I did that to no effect. The login screen also says 17.04, by the way
[07:25] <ducasse> vadi: this is odd, you should also be on a newer kernel... can you pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list?
[07:25] <syedomar> i cant autolof after update
[07:25] <syedomar> log
[07:26] <FMan> am I missing out on something significant by remaining on 16.04?
[07:27]  * opencw serves some coffee
[07:27] <vadi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25783683/
[07:29] <FMan> quo vadi?
[07:30] <Bashing-om> vadi: ducasse : I read this: https://didrocks.fr/2017/10/18/ubuntu-gnome-shell-in-artful-day-16/ that on an upgrade unity is not totally dead . still there .
[07:30] <ducasse> yes, it's still in the repos
[07:33] <ducasse> vadi: what does 'apt policy linux-image-generic' say?
[07:33] <vadi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25783711/
[07:37] <ducasse> vadi: try 'sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade'
[07:39] <vadi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25783739/
[07:39] <vadi> Should I try changing the mirror?
[07:40] <ducasse> yes, try that
[07:41] <ducasse> the one you're on might not be up to date
[07:41] <vadi> Yes, it has a whole lot of stuff to do now. That is worrying that such a flaw exist in the upgrade mechanism.
[07:42] <vadi> *exists
[07:44] <ducasse> it can't really know if your mirror is valid/updated except by comparing the contents to all the others'
[07:45] <nightrain> vadi: How do you change the mirror?
[07:45] <vadi> It's an option in Software Sources.
[07:45] <ducasse> notify the mirror maintainers in #ubuntu-mirrors, and they can sort it out
[07:48] <nightrain> vadi: oh okay thanks
[07:49] <vadi> sure, notified
[08:02] <damian> hrmph. am i going stupid, or does ubuntu 17.10 not listen to /etc/network/interfaces properly?
[08:04] <damian> https://pastebin.com/GT3A4ers .. looks the same compared to the other ubuntu's i've configured, but the ip doesn't go static
[08:04] <ducasse> damian: read the release notes - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/ReleaseNotes/#Network_configuration
[08:05] <damian> y'know, i completely forgot there were release notes with detail! i'm so used to windows
[08:05] <damian> thanks
[08:06] <TJ-> Using netplan to configure systemd-networkd now
[08:16] <ray__> Hi folks, just trying this out... is this an ubuntu help room or something? or have you all just downloaded 17.10 and need consoling?
[08:27] <Vadi> Help - Ubuntu went from half an upgrade to failing to boot. It does not show the login screen anymore, just black.
[08:27] <Vadi> This 17.10 upgrade is not going ok.
[08:27] <alkisg> Vadi: go to recovery mode and complete the installation
[08:28] <Vadi> How
[08:28] <alkisg> Wait, first, does alt+ctrl+f1 show a login terminal?
[08:29] <Vadi> No
[08:30] <alkisg> OK then do you know how to select the recovery mode in grub?
[08:30] <unix_> omfg
[08:30] <Vadi> It shows the four loading dots then nothing
[08:31] <kostkon> !recovery
[08:31] <Vadi> F1 doesn't work but f2 does give me a login
[08:31] <unix_> alkisg, google
[08:31] <alkisg> Vadi: nice, can you login there?
[08:31] <Vadi> Yes
[08:31] <alkisg> unix_: I know everything, I don't need google
[08:31] <ducasse> !google | unix_
[08:31] <Vadi> What can I do from here on?
[08:31] <alkisg> Vadi: run this: sudo -i
[08:31] <alkisg> Then, apt-get update
[08:32] <alkisg> then, apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:33] <Vadi> What then? It only affected one network manager package
[08:33] <alkisg> Vadi: so the result is one update with no errors etc?
[08:34] <Vadi> Yeah
[08:34] <alkisg> Vadi: ok, what does this show? ls /usr/share/xsessions
[08:34] <alkisg> Just ubuntu.desktop?
[08:35] <kostkon> Vadi, lsb_release -r ?
[08:35] <Vadi> Gnome flashback composition, gnome xorg, Ubuntu xorg, unity desktop, openbox desktop, gnome flashback metacity
[08:36] <alkisg> Ah, you have a lot there. Answer to kostkon too, it's a small command...
[08:36] <Vadi> Fyi I'm on a 780 Ti so I use the proprietorary drivers
[08:36] <alkisg> Is that nvidia?
[08:36] <Vadi> Release is 17.10.
[08:36] <Vadi> Yes, nvidia
[08:37] <alkisg> OK, what's the output of: ubuntu-drivers list
[08:37] <alkisg> And of: ubuntu-drivers devices
[08:37] <Vadi> Nvidia-381, 340, 384 and intel
[08:38] <Lee_J> Good morning all, I want to create a folder which is a shortcut to another server (via FTP)?  Can someone tell me what I should be Googling?
[08:38] <Vadi> That's a lot and I'm on a phone
[08:38] <alkisg> I'm not using nvidia so I don't know which one are the correcti drivers there, lets see if someone else knows
[08:38] <alkisg> What's the output of: cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[08:39] <alkisg> Lee_J: shortcuts can't cause network drive connetions. Maybe you want a .desktop file that will appear as an icon on your desktop, and execute the ftp connect command?
[08:39] <totoland> On Ubuntu 17.10, I use the nvidia-384 driver with a Geforce GT 730
[08:39] <Vadi> Gdm3
[08:40] <alkisg> Vadi: see what totoland said, do you have the 384 drivers insstalled?
[08:40] <Vadi> Dunno. I had it working before the upgrade
[08:40] <Vadi> How do I check?
[08:40] <alkisg> dpkg -l '*nvidia*'|grep ^ii
[08:40] <Lee_J> alkisg: I want to download a really big file from my very fast VPS but save it to another server, basically using VPS as a proxy I guess.
[08:40] <alkisg> This should tell which ones are installed
[08:41] <Lee_J> VPS only has 20GB HDD - File is 1TB
[08:41] <Vadi> I have W 381.22 per xorg log
[08:41] <alkisg> Vadi, try ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[08:42] <Vadi> That's installing 384 now
[08:42] <king> anybody?
[08:43] <kristhian> excuse me, i installed Ubuntu 16.04 LTS in my Desktop PC
[08:43] <kristhian> why do i need to set it on highlight contrast to see the 'try install' and 'install ubuntu'
[08:43] <alkisg> Lee_J: can you mount the ftp folder using nautilus?
[08:43] <kristhian> is there an easier way for that?
[08:44] <Lee_J> Perhaps, I will google and try, I'm more used to terminal (typically a redhat) - thanks
[08:44] <Vadi> I'll try rebooting.
[08:44] <alkisg> Lee_J: gvfs-mount will let you mount ftp
[08:44] <Lee_J> Nice, thank you
[08:44] <alkisg> Lee_J: then, you'll find the ftp folder in /run/user/1000(your id)/gvfs
[08:45] <Vadi> No luck, black screen
[08:45] <Lee_J> OK that sounds perfect
[08:45] <fturco> hello. i'm trying to download all iso images for the various ubuntu editions (17.10). i can't find ubuntu-17.10-desktop-i386.iso.torrent anywhere...
[08:45] <alkisg> Lee_J: so then, you run wget file -O/run/user/1000/gvfs/ftpmount
[08:45] <ducasse> fturco: doesn't exist
[08:45] <Vadi> 32 builds are gone
[08:45] <alkisg> fturco: you can only use the server or netinstall image for i386
[08:46] <Vadi> Just like my installation.
[08:46] <fturco> ducasse: did ubuntu drop 32-bit version for the desktop?
[08:46] <kostkon> fturco, yes
[08:46] <fturco> ok, thanks for the info
[08:46] <alkisg> Vadi: try this: sudo service gdm3 stop; sudo xinit ==> do these display an xterm?
[08:46] <alkisg> (11:46:01 πμ) fturco: ducasse: did ubuntu drop 32-bit version for the desktop? ==> afaik NO, just the iso
[08:46] <alkisg> They still have all 32bit packages in the repositories
[08:47] <alkisg> And ubuntu-mate, xubuntu etc all ship 32bit isos
[08:49] <Vadi> Failed to start NVIDIA persistence daemon
[08:49] <Vadi> The screen is flashing text (literally) and that's on there
[08:49] <alkisg> That would be something to google... sorry not using nvidia
[08:50] <alkisg> Btw you did reboot after installing 384, right?
[08:50] <Vadi> Man I'm loving Wayland already. Yeah.
[08:50] <Vadi> How can I get rid of Wayland?
[08:50] <alkisg> xinit doesn't use wayland
[08:50] <alkisg> (afaik)
[08:50] <alkisg> (not using wayland either :D)
[08:52] <ducasse> wayland doesn't run on proprietary nvidia afaik, you would be running xorg
[08:53] <Vadi> I can see that it doesn't!
[08:53] <Vadi> Nothing runs!
[08:56] <Vadi> Any other ideas on how to unfuck this thing?
[08:57] <bazhang> Vadi, no cursing here
[08:58] <Vadi_> It also says failed to load kernel modules
[08:59] <ducasse> what happens when you try to load it?
[09:00] <Vadi_> What do you mean by it?
[09:00] <ducasse> 'modprobe nvidia'
[09:03] <Vadi_> Could not find module by name nvidia_384
[09:03] <Vadi_> Among other errros
[09:05] <ducasse> look back for errors while installing it
[09:05] <Vadi_> Where?
[09:06] <TJ-> Vadi_: any hits with "find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -type f -name 'nvidia*.ko'  "
[09:07] <Vadi_> It lists one line for 4.10 kernel
[09:07] <Vadi_> A nvidiafb.ko file.
[09:08] <TJ-> Vadi_: ok, so missing. Now let's see what's supposed to be installed: "dkms status" ... any entries for nvidia module(s) ?
[09:08] <ducasse> are you still on 4.10? why is that?
[09:09] <Vadi_> Because I selected it at grub recovery
[09:09] <Vadi_> Yes, dmks says nvidia-384 installed
[09:10] <TJ-> Vadi_: for which kernel version(s)
[09:10] <Vadi_> Systemctl says load kernel modules failed. Not sure how to get the log of that
[09:10] <Vadi_> Oh 4.13
[09:10] <TJ-> Vadi_: right. so try ...
[09:11] <TJ-> Vadi_: ... "sudo dkms install nvidia-384/<version-number-from-dkms-status-output-above> -k $(uname -r)  "
[09:11] <TJ-> Vadi_: I assume the version number will be something like 384.x.y
[09:12] <Vadi_> Could not find source directory, I chose nvidia-384/90
[09:13] <Vadi_> soms status says nvidia-384, 384.90, 4.13...
[09:13] <Vadi_> Er, dkms.
[09:13] <TJ-> Vadi_: you need to use "sudo dkms install nvidia-384/384.90 -k $(uname -r) "
[09:15] <Vadi_> I found the systemd log, it said could not find module by name='nvidia_384'
[09:15] <Vadi_> Ol
[09:15] <TJ-> Vadi_: this will cause the module to be built for the currently running kernel. If it doesn't fail, you'll then have the nvidia_384.ko module. After install finishes "modinfo nvidia_384" should show you the module's details, then you can load it into the kernel with "sudo modprobe nvdia_384"
[09:16] <TJ-> Vadi_: typo :) "sudo modprobe nvidia_384"
[09:16] <Vadi_> That all worked ok
[09:16] <scorpiosec> sup all
[09:16] <Vadi_> Modprobe went through fine. What next?
[09:17] <TJ-> Vadi_: if the module is loaded you can now retry starting the GUI with "sudo systemctl start gdm3.service" (I think it's gdm3, not gdm - if you get an error, change that!)
[09:17] <scorpiosec> looking to join programming channel
[09:17] <ducasse> !alis | scorpiosec
[09:17] <bazhang>  /j ##programming scorpiosec
[09:18] <scorpiosec> what about penetration testing channels
[09:18] <Vadi_> It said ok
[09:18] <Vadi_> But now it's not fiviy the prompt back
[09:19] <Vadi_> Giving.
[09:19] <alkisg> Vadi_: try alt+ctrl+f7
[09:19] <ducasse> scorpiosec: try alis, read the factoid from ubottu
[09:19] <Vadi_> Nothing happens
[09:19] <TJ-> Vadi_: in which case the GUI ought to have started and the tty's switched to the one carrying the GUI. I think the GUI moved to tty1 for 17.10 Gnome, didn't it?
[09:20] <TJ-> Vadi_: check what happened with "journalctl -u gdm3.service" in case there were errors
[09:20] <mkwi> hello everyone
[09:20] <Vadi_> So ctrl+C to get prompt back?
[09:20] <alkisg> alt+ctrl+f1 then
[09:20] <Vadi_> I'm already on that - I booted into recovery mode
[09:21] <TJ-> Vadi_: ah, are you still operating from the root shell?
[09:21] <Vadi_> Y
[09:21] <Vadi_> No entries in the log
[09:21] <TJ-> Vadi_: so we need 'resume' standard start-up. Will Ctrl+D get you back to the friendly-recovery menu so you can "resume"
[09:22] <TJ-> Vadi_: did you earlier disable the gdm3 service whilst debugging this?
[09:23] <Vadi_> I don't think so. Screen is flashing loading log now, and it says failed to start NVIDIA persistence daemon
[09:23] <mkwi> do anyone have a problem with WIN(SUPER)+L lock screen shortcut after updating ubuntu to 17.10 from 17.04?
[09:23] <TJ-> Vadi_: hmmm, I can't recall if that is a fatal error or just a warning
[09:24] <bodom> Hi there! I'm updating my system!
[09:24] <TJ-> Vadi_: It might be easier as we're not sure what state the system is in to reboot to the normal mode with this same kernel version now the nvidia module is built. See if that improves things
[09:25] <cryptospider> helloo
[09:25] <lidong> hello
[09:25] <cryptospider> I need help with setting up an ubuntu server
[09:26] <bodom> cryptospider: you can start by downloading the install iso
[09:26] <Vadi> https://photos.app.goo.gl/YC5mu3QvtOtJaJXX2 is what it says
[09:26] <cryptospider> I have already downloaded it
[09:26] <Vadi> Unfortunately the browser closes the page on Android.
[09:27] <bodom> cryptospider: you now have to place it in an usb key or burn it to a dvd
[09:27] <scorpiosec> any one know about hacking irc ?
[09:28] <ducasse> !illegal | scorpiosec
[09:28] <cryptospider> bodom: when I am done with that what next?
[09:29] <scorpiosec> i mean ethical hacking
[09:29] <ikonia> scorpiosec: no you don't
[09:29] <ikonia> this channel is for ubuntu support discussion only
[09:29] <ikonia> please stick that topic only
[09:29] <ducasse> scorpiosec: also, this channel is for ubuntu support, not an irc directory
[09:29] <bodom> cryptospider: then you have to have the target machines efi/bios boot from your usb/cd
[09:29] <Vadi> It says failed to query NVIDIA devices
[09:29] <scorpiosec> ok
[09:29] <bodom> cryptospider: and follow the on-screen procedure, answering questions
[09:30] <TJ-> Vadi: is this a fresh reboot into 4.10 in normal mode?
[09:30] <cryptospider> bodom: Thanks for the answer. Will ask more questions if I get any problem
[09:30] <Vadi> I dont recall so I'll do that now
[09:30] <bodom> cryptospider: yw
[09:31] <Vadi> Black screen still in 4.10 normal mode
[09:31] <ducasse> !server | cryptospider see this, there are install instructions in the server guide
[09:32] <Vadi> And no ctrl+alt+f works
[09:32] <cryptospider> ducasse: Thanks
[09:32] <cryptospider> ubottu:Thanks
[09:33] <TJ-> Vadi: OK, during boot that suggests you need "nomodeset" initially on the kernel command-line. Once you've got a console you can figure out fixing the other issues.
[09:34] <TJ-> Vadi: is the system using UEFI firmware do you know?
[09:36] <Vadi> Yes, because I have to sign VirtualBox modules manually
[09:37] <ducasse> ...and nvidia :)
[09:37] <TJ-> Vadi: aha! so you're booting in Secure Boot mode? then you'll need to sign the nvidia and any other self-built modules
[09:37] <Vadi> I don't have to sign NVIDIA
[09:37] <Vadi> Ok
[09:37] <curiosity_freak> can we use linux as usb persistent?
[09:38] <curiosity_freak> like we do in kali linux?
[09:38] <Vadi> I'll go to 4.10 recovery mode
[09:38] <TJ-> Vadi: if the system is enforcing Secure Boot you would. But if you're using the shim loader then you can load a kernel that isn't signed and load unsigned modules too
[09:39] <Vadi> Recovery mode let's me run modprobe NVIDIA ok
[09:40] <m4t> hi, i noticed in 17.10 that 'less' isn't showing raw escape characters anymore. it shows them like "ESC[1mNAMEESC[m^O". i couldn't find anything in changelogs etc. 'less -r' fixes it. is there a way to restore old behaviour?
[09:41] <maheshpec> m4t: would alias ing less to less -r help
[09:42] <m4t> maheshpec: yeah i was hoping i could find the root cause though
[09:43] <xtron> how can we invoke an application from terminal but keeping it usable for other operations
[09:43] <xtron> it = terminal
[09:43] <alkisg> xtron: application &
[09:43] <alkisg> That & puts it to the background
[09:44] <xtron> alkisg: ok, let me check
[09:44] <m4t> hmm. perldoc is calling 'sensible-pager' while 'man' is calling 'pager'
[09:45] <m4t> i guess it's actually a change in perldoc somehow...or sensible-pager
[09:45] <akik> m4t: you can set the environment variable LESS with the options
[09:46] <m4t> yeah. i think 'less' is the same...
[09:46] <kalilinux> hello?
[09:46] <xtron> alkisg: thanks, so what it mean by &   ? if you can tell me
[09:46] <m4t> it's perldoc/sensible-pager whose behaviour have changed
[09:46] <xtron> and where else we can use it
[09:47] <m4t> looking at perl/perl-doc changelog...
[09:47] <ducasse> xtron: he already told you, it runs the command in the background
[09:47] <m4t>   * Fix visible escape sequences in perldoc output by passing the "-R"
[09:47] <alkisg> xtron: man bash, and search for "background"
[09:47] <m4t>     option to the "less" pager. (Closes: #758689)
[09:47] <m4t> i'll figure it out. something in the sequence between perldoc -> less changed to where it's not being called with -r/-R now
[09:47] <m4t> thanks
[09:48] <Thunder_Tw> xtron: you can only use the "& at the end" trick in terminals
[09:49] <xtron> alkisg: Thunder_Tw thanks
[09:50] <alkisg> Or in bash scripts. Or in the middle of a line, like cmd1 & cmd2.
[09:50] <TJ-> xtron: you might want to look at "nohup" which is designed for what you asked for
[09:50] <akik> m4t: did you try if setting LESS="-r" changed the behaviour?
[09:50] <m4t> akik: yes it does
[09:51] <akik> i've used it so that less will not wait for a key press to quit it
[09:51] <xtron> TJ-: method mentioned above it good
[09:51] <m4t> but default less behavior has always been to e.g. ESC[1mNAMEESC[m^O
[09:51] <xtron> TJ-: at least for now
[09:51] <m4t> it's perldoc that isn't passing raw escape now
[09:52] <m4t> less itself is still acting fine...
[09:58] <thiras> hello folks, I have a xenial on my laptop. It's little bit old. Should I change to artful? or do you recommend to wait until next LTS?
[09:59] <Thunder_Tw> thiras: recommended is to wait
[10:02] <m4t> i don't think going from 16.04->17.10 would be officially supported, but 16.04->18.04 should (lts to lts)
[10:05] <Thunder_Tw> m4t: It's not about the upgrade to 17.xx wouldn't be supported. But it is prone to have bugs
[10:06] <m4t> hence my wording of officially supported
[10:06] <m4t> 16.04->16.10->17.04->17.10 would be OK i guess
[10:07] <bazhang> Thunder_Tw, one step lts to lts
[10:07] <cryptospider> sup m4t
[10:07] <m4t> sup yo
[10:07] <m4t> n2m u
[10:07] <cryptospider> Cool man
[10:17] <gotogoat> hello
[10:17] <gotogoat> anyone there?
[10:18] <bazhang> ubuntu support yes gotogoat
[10:18] <Thunder_Tw> gotogoat: about 1197 ppl here
[10:18] <Thunder_Tw> 1196
[10:19] <gotogoat> that 1197 people wont count if they dont chat.
[10:19] <Thunder_Tw> details
[10:19] <Ben64> this isn't a chat channel
[10:19] <gotogoat> in my somewhat humble opinion.
[10:19] <bazhang> gotogoat, this is not the chit chat channel
[10:19] <anibic> Hi feel my 17.10 64 bit experiencing latency after upgrade from 17.04. Also Synaptic package manger would not launch after authentication.
[10:19] <anibic> I have a 4 GB DDR2 RAM 800MHz and a AMD Athlon X2 5200 processor.
[10:20] <anibic> Also adequate HDD space
[10:20] <Ben64> anibic: that's pretty slow, but should still work. pastebin the output from trying to run synaptic from command line
[10:21] <gotogoat> sorry guys ill let you get to it then.
[10:21] <Thunder_Tw> gotogoat: feel free to join #ubuntu-discuss
[10:22] <anibic> @Ben64: what command should i type in terminal
[10:22] <Ben64> sudo synaptic
[10:23] <anibic> I need to use the synaptic cause I saw a notification that 2 packages was not updated as after restart the internet got disconnected.
[10:23] <Ben64> well that doesn't mean you need synaptic
[10:23] <Thunder_Tw> need is a big word
[10:24] <anibic> sudo synaptic says: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyUnable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused
[10:24] <anibic> (synaptic:3817): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0
[10:25] <Thunder_Tw> anibic: "sudo apt-get update"  followed by "sudo apt-get upgrade" should fix your packages without synaptic
[10:26] <Ben64> full-upgrade
[10:26] <Ben64> not just upgrade
[10:27] <anibic> does the output make some sense
[10:27] <Ben64> yeah it can't open the display
[10:27] <anibic> what shall I do
[10:28] <Ben64> so either... 1. you don't have a desktop 2. it's because of wayland 3. you have messed up permissions
[10:28] <anibic> wayland ?
[10:29] <anibic> wahts that ?
[10:29] <Thunder_Tw> anibic: first we panick, then we blame cononical, and beg for micromercy
[10:29] <Ben64> replacement for xorg
[10:29] <Thunder_Tw> j/k
[10:29] <anibic> I am not in a panick I have all my files backed up.
[10:29] <m4t> someone in #perl pointed me to https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=870340. apparently Pod/Perldoc.pm was setting LESS=-R before, but that changed in 5.26 which 17.10 ships with. thanks
[10:31] <m4t> setting PAGER=less fixes it, so i am just going to: alias perldoc='PAGER=less perldoc'.
[10:39] <acresearch> wow ubuntu 17.10 has majore bugs, what is going on? was it rushed?
[10:39] <acresearch> is there an update we could expect?
[10:41] <acresearch> having it now for three days, i realise it is unusable, what happened? ubuntu used to be better than this.
[10:47] <Ben64> acresearch: you could stick to LTS releases
[10:47] <amir__> \
[10:49] <acresearch> Ben64: i am thinking of converting to another distro, ubuntu seems to have been buggy for quite a while now. what is happening with the company?
[10:50] <Ben64> acresearch: well you could use LTS releases or a different distro, complaining here doesn't help though
[10:51] <acresearch> Ben64: i just want to know if this is the trend in ubuntu from now on, or i should just wait for another 6 months
[10:53] <Ben64> acresearch: if what is the trend
[10:56] <acresearch> Ben64: a buggy os, Ben64 if you open libra office there are no buttons !    when you copy files no progress bar shows up    these are fundimental problems with the OS
[10:56] <ddoobb> Is it possible to upgrade Ubuntu version (16.10 to 17.04) using an iso of ubuntu? How? And will it retain my software?
[10:56] <Ben64> acresearch: well non-lts versions are usually more experimental, so again, if you want stability, stick to LTS
[10:56] <ddoobb> I have the 17.04 iso downloaded
[10:57] <TJ-> ddoobb: do you want to do an off-line release-upgrade? if the system has networking then "do-release-upgrade" is the preferred method
[10:58] <ddoobb> TJ- Yes I want to do offline upgrade with a  downloaded iso as this system has internet data transfer limits. And I have multiple systems so that will be a lot of data.
[10:59] <TJ-> ddoobb: Although the ISOs have some packages in proper archive format in the dist/ and pool/ directories, I don't believe everything is there to use them as a source for a release-upgrade
[11:00] <alkisg> ddoobb: one way would be to do "do-release-upgrade" somewhere else, and copy all the downloaded .deb files from /var/cache/apt/archives, to save the net bandwidth
[11:00] <alkisg> Then apt won't re-download them as they'll already be  there
[11:02] <TJ-> ddoobb: a couple of options. install and use apt-cacher-ng or squid-deb-proxy (I think I have the names correct but...!) so they cache all the packages needed. On each system to be upgraded configure it's Apt::Proxy:: ... to use the local caching server. That way the only calls out will be by the proxy to fetch any packages it doesn't already have. Therefore there should be no more than one download for each
[11:02] <TJ-> package (until upgrades start hitting artful-updates)
[11:02] <ddoobb> OK, so usually is the download done during upgrade the same size as the ISO (1.5GB or lesser?
[11:02] <TJ-> sorry - you said 17.04, so that'd be zesty-updates
[11:03] <alkisg> ddoobb: yes
[11:03] <TJ-> ddoobb: depends on what is already installed on the system
[11:04] <TJ-> ddoobb: the main thing is, if you've got the proxy configured correctly, from then only one request for a particular package/version will cause a download - forever, not just for the release-upgrade.
[11:05] <TJ-> !info squid-deb-proxy | ddoobb
[11:05] <ddoobb> TJ- that will require me to connect these systems in some sort of network right, but that's not the case here
[11:05] <TJ-> !info squid-deb-proxy-client| ddoobb
[11:05] <TJ-> !info squid-deb-proxy-client | ddoobb
[11:05] <TJ-> ddoobb: Yes it would. If they're mostly offline use apt-offline to move packages around.
[11:06] <TJ-> !info apt-offline | ddoobb
[11:06] <gotogoat> hey guys i need help with how to fuck my dog. it just wont sit still.
[11:07] <gotogoat> me?
[11:07] <gotogoat> it's a pitbull.
[11:09] <gotogoat> When i take it for walks yes. it gives me mixed messages.
[11:10] <gotogoat> male, 6 months.
[11:10] <gotogoat> i am 30.
[11:11] <gotogoat> i am male as well.
[11:11] <gotogoat> yes male.
[11:11] <cfhowlett> gotogoat, wrong channel.  for dating, hookups look elsewhere.
[11:12] <gotogoat> it barks and moves somewhere else in the room.
[11:18] <superKiller> hello. I just installed 17.10 . I've been having this issue where after my laptop goes to sleep when I wake it up again the touchpad stops working
[11:18] <superKiller> anybody got any ideas why it happens ?
[11:25] <TJ-> superKiller: try this; I wrote it up because it happens so often and the usualy cause is ACPI DSDT: http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[11:28] <akik> TJ-: have you tried including that to ubuntu proper? :)
[11:28] <TJ-> akik: I'm working on that
[11:29] <eb0t_> superKiller a temp fix wchic will possibly lead to point you in right direction is to type command  # sudo udevadm trigger once you start up from sleep and see if that fixes things
[11:29] <TJ-> akik: the hard part is deciding on where it goes and what depends on it and what triggers it. Ideally it needs to be used by the installer itself *before* it boots - that's a hard one - means either GRUB or isolinux have to do the same parsing of the ACPI DSDT and add the entry into the LiveISO boot menu entries in real-time.
[11:30] <TJ-> akik: in theory a hook into update-grub might we sufficient, but that doesn't do things to /etc/default/grub, and that's where this really needs to be so it is user-visible
[11:31] <cryptospider> join #setoolkit
[11:31] <dropkick100> when you connect your iphone via usb to serve as a hotspot and it works perfectly
[11:31] <akik> TJ-: btw what does acpi_osi=Linux change? i used it once together with acpi_backlight to make the brightness adjusting work
[11:32] <superKiller> eb0t_: okay the next time it happens I'll make sure I try that
[11:32] <eb0t_> yes
[11:34] <atomo> how's to affiliate ubuntu project???
[11:34] <TJ-> akik: The ACPI DSDT is byte-code executed by the running kernel (windows or Linux or *BSD). When the DSDT is initialised using the kernel's bytecode interpreter it passes the OSI name into the DSDT, and the DSDT code makes decisions on what to enable based on that OSI. Most DSDT's set up minimal default functionality and then enable more things based on matching the OS name. Unfortunately they also only
[11:34] <TJ-> usually check for various "Windows XXXX" version strings, so "Linux" only gets minimal functionality.
[11:34] <mdroid> hello .... hello I installed an ubuntu inside kvm(qemu) but I can't ssh to it from the host server. what should I do? is this need any trick? (right now it says no route to the host)
[11:35] <mdroid> ddg.gg
[11:36] <atomo> ifconfig
[11:36] <cfhowlett> !contribute | atomo
[11:36] <atomo> ssh the internet virtual machine
[11:37] <atomo> ok ty cfoch-al1
[11:37] <atomo> if not try IPv6
[11:37] <atomo> i apreciate very much the ubunut project ;)
[11:38] <psychodude> is this the right place to ask for ubuntu flavor pick advice?
[11:38] <akik> mdroid: i've used this with kvm to forward host port 2222 to kvm port 22 "-device e1000,netdev=user0 -netdev user,id=user0,hostfwd=tcp::2222-:22"
[11:38] <cfhowlett> psychodude, sure.  ask
[11:38] <cfhowlett> !flavors } psychodude
[11:38] <cfhowlett> !flavors | psychodude
[11:39] <akik> mdroid: the other option i used was to give kvm machine access to the same subnet i was using but in that case i couldn't connect to the kvm machine
[11:39] <psychodude> alright. i've used unity, gnome, gnome classic and kde plasma and think i like plasma the most. but i installed it on vanilla ubuntu and after a few months started experiencing kde modules crashing and having to restart often. is there a flavor that would be better out of the box?
[11:40] <mdroid> akik, I set my guest to use macvtap and it has a valid IP. but ssh from host says no route to host !!!
[11:40] <mdroid> :(
[11:41] <cfhowlett> psychodude, w/o knowing why it's failing?  Too hard to say.  that said, it's very east to test the different desktop environments.  sudo apt lxde xfce4             will add those 2 to your current system.  logout, choose one, login.  similar process on the other DE's.  See one you like?  install the full meal distro with sudo apt install [flavor name here]-desktop
[11:44] <mdroid> */mactapv/macvtap
[11:47] <psychodude> i have a feeling (im no linux expert obviously tho) that just throwing additional environments on top of my existing slightly customized setup results in some sort of dependency conflicts and shit like that and eventually things start crashing a lot, ive experienced that with every flavor. maybe im doing it wrong
[11:47] <psychodude> with every DE*
[11:49] <cfhowlett> psychodude, so long as you're installing and testing ONLY the DE, you should be good.  However, you can always install virtualbox and put whatever you like a VM.  break it, tweak it, delete it ...
[11:51] <psychodude> anyway im leaning towards kubuntu
[11:52] <akik> psychodude: i'm using kubuntu 16.04 with the update from backports https://kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5-8-4-and-kde-frameworks-5-8-0-now-available-in-backports-for-kubuntu-16-04-and-16-10/
[11:52] <akik> psychodude: it works really good
[11:52] <psychodude> whats the update?
[11:52] <akik> psychodude: it just updates kde to a newer release
[11:54] <psychodude> cool. i like plasma a lot, i need all my apps that i use a lot to be 1 click away on the bar and ive enjoyed desktop widgets for monitoring things since windows 7
[11:55] <lidong> hello linux is new to me,i want to konw which is the best linux os
[11:55] <cfhowlett> lidong, ubuntu
[11:56] <psychodude> ubuntu is the best -#ubuntu
[11:56] <psychodude> shocker
[11:56] <cfhowlett> :)
[11:56] <lidong> why ubuntu is better?
[11:56] <varaindemian> is ubuntu 17.10 good for programming and school projects? as in running a visual machine with windows?
[11:56] <cfhowlett> lidong, easier answer: install it, test it and see for yourself.  better than asking random people on the internet what is good for YOU.
[11:57] <cfhowlett> varaindemian, programming and projects, yes.  "visual" machine???
[11:57] <Thunder_Tw> varaindemian: if you are new to linux i would recommend the 16.10 (LTS: Long Term Stable) of ubuntu
[11:57] <varaindemian> virtual*
[11:57] <lidong> cfhowlett,thanks for your advice i will try
[11:57] <psychodude> whats the difference between 16.04 on 16.10?
[11:57] <cfhowlett> 16.04 is the LTS release, varaindemian
[11:57] <cfhowlett> !LTS     support
[11:57] <psychodude> and*
[11:58] <cfhowlett> lidong, are you a Chinese computer user?  if so, Ubuntu-kylin is worth investigating
[11:58] <lidong> thanks all you guys
[11:58] <cfhowlett> !lts
[11:58] <Thunder_Tw> lidong: that is for each person different. Commonly one could say Ubuntu is easy for the new user
[11:58] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:59] <lidong> Thunde_Tw: i see
[11:59] <psychodude> is installing gentoo like a rite of passage after a few years of using linux?
[12:00] <varaindemian> psychodude, nop
[12:00] <varaindemian> it's hard
[12:00] <varaindemian> try arch first
[12:01] <cfhowlett> all off-topic in this channel though
[12:01] <psychodude> but how else do i get my sysadmin friends to respect me
[12:03] <Thunder_Tw> psychodude: by giving them money if they do?
[12:04] <mort> so, I just upgraded my server from ubuntu server 17.04 to 17.10, and as a result, php (with nginx and php-fpm 7.1) doesn't work anymore, with no errors printed in php-fpm's or nginx' error logs.
[12:05] <mort> nginx just returns a 500 status code with no output, even for a file which just contains `<?php echo "hello";`
[12:12] <guest-efzvyt> is this the scout chat?
[12:12] <cfhowlett> guest-efzvyt, no
[12:14] <lidong> what is this chat used for?
[12:14] <cfhowlett> !topic | lidong,
[12:15] <cfhowlett> ubuntu support in this channel lidong
[12:15] <cristian_c> hi
[12:15] <lidong> thank you
[12:15] <cristian_c> when I use mozplugger, opening pdf files, I notice a strange behaviour about input events. If I use arrow keys on keyboard, they don't work, but if I use the mouse wheel scrolling, it works, instead
[12:16] <cristian_c> How could I fix the issue for embedded pdf files using it?
[12:16] <cristian_c> Any ideas?
[12:22] <b247> Hy
[12:22] <freakyy> https://www.freakyness.de/en/2017/10/21/kubuntu-kdeplasma-or-ubuntu-gnome/ <-- tell me what u think :) kubuntu or ubuntu :)
[12:23] <b247> How can i revert ubuntu 17.10 from gnome to unity?, just upgraded from 17.04
[12:23] <cfhowlett> unity is 17.10? nope
[12:23] <mort> I should've known better than to update my server from 17.04 to 17.10
[12:24] <Tin_man> yes, and you can use unity or unity 8
[12:24] <b247> It's a DE, not a server
[12:24] <b247> Ok, so how, if i apt install unity says it s already installed
[12:24] <mort> b247: it wasn't a comment on your situation; I said "I", not "you"
[12:25] <cfhowlett> b247, logout, at the login screen choose unity session, login
[12:26] <b247> No option to change the default session manager
[12:26] <Tin_man> 17.10 is both unity I believe, regular unity, and unity 8 , isn't it?
[12:27] <cfhowlett> unity has been dropped as a default DE.  you have to manually install it now.
[12:27] <cfhowlett> right Tin_man ??
[12:27] <b247> Ok, but how, cause if i run apt install unity says it s alrwady installed
[12:27] <Tin_man> yes, and well not be supported past the end of the year, except for security I believe..
[12:29] <b247> Anyone here using ubuntu 17.10?
[12:29] <Tin_man> I did like Unity 8 though, maybe some of the look will be integrated into gnome next year.
[12:29] <NaCl1> Hi, I need a 32 bit version of 17.10. Where on the site would this be?
[12:29] <Tin_man> i was up till a few days ago just to try it out..
[12:30] <Thunder_Tw> NaCl1: try lubuntu
[12:30] <cfhowlett> NaCl1, standard ubuntu is not available in 32 bit.  I believe the other flavors do offer it
[12:30] <NaCl1> ok thx
[12:32] <b247> I m using ubuntu starting 17.04 (coming from mint 15-18), now i have enjoyed the unity and want it ba k afyer upgrade, how can i do it?
[12:34] <ioria> !info  unity-session
[12:34] <cfhowlett> b247, you can install it.  expect it to fail at some point because it is no longer in development and is only minimally supported.
[12:34] <EriC^^> b247: in the login manager there might be a button to change the DE to the right of the username box or so
[12:39] <Frjd> I just Installed 17.10 and as I understand it python3 is the goto version, but why is it not symlinked to python?
[12:41] <ioria> Frjd, because it would cause a lot of troubles, i guess
[12:41] <Frjd> There is no python at all right now in the system
[12:41] <b247> @ubottu, i newer used gnome (only on kali but just few minutes until installed xfce), my laptop can handle gnome, it s a second genereation intel i5, but xfce have some drawbacks and unity is just perfect for my t420 laptop. The question is if i can install unity from shell just like xfce, shoul i add some custom repo or ppa ?
[12:42] <kirillkh> hi, is there a way to configure static ip for my laptop, but only when it's on my home network?
[12:43] <ioria> b247, unity is working now ?
[12:43] <ioria> Frjd, really ?
[12:44] <anibic> my 17.10 hangs when left idle
[12:44] <Frjd> Since python2.7 is not installed there is no `python` command, I guess since a user might install python2.7 manually the python command is still reserved for python2.7....
[12:45] <anibic> @Frjd: Please help
[12:46] <ioria> Frjd, ls -l /usr/bin/python  are you sue you have no python ?
[12:46] <Frjd> anibic, I don't use IDLE sorry
[12:46] <ioria> *sure
[12:46] <Frjd> yep, `no such file or directory`
[12:47] <Frjd> That's why I was a bit confused and wanted to hear if this is normal or if something happened to my installation
[12:48] <ioria> Frjd, which python
[12:48] <b247> @ioria, what OS are you running?
[12:48] <anibic> @Frjd: I am leaving my machine to dowload movies and its freezing.
[12:48] <ioria> b247, ubuntu :þ
[12:48] <Frjd> python3.6 is installed, symlinked to python3
[12:49] <cfhowlett> so the command would be python3  ?
[12:51] <Frjd> Yes, but I'm running manjaro on another machine where python3.6 is also symlinked to python so I was a bit confused
[12:51] <Frjd> I guess this is how it should be though
[12:52] <fly_> hi folks. im trying to use qemu-kvm to boot with uefi. the OS I'm booting seems to whine, I'm wondering if there's more things I need to do
[12:53] <fly_> im using "qemu-system-x86_64 -L /usr/share/qemu -hda disk.img -hdb file.img -bios /usr/share/qemu/OVMF.fd -enable-kvm" and variations
[12:55] <yu2010> hk
[12:55] <yu2010> m,
[12:55] <yu2010> halo
[13:02] <tomreyn> fly_: does it work without kvm?
[13:03] <b247> #ubuntu17.10, anyone using it or just upgraded?
[13:03] <tomreyn> b247: definitely someone here does. just ask your real question.
[13:03] <Thunder_Tw> e
[13:04] <fly_> tomreyn: it doesn't. but it goes a really long way
[13:04] <fly_> and the target im booting (I shoudl really try something else too for sanity sake)
[13:04] <Thunder_Tw> b
[13:04] <fly_> says:
[13:04] <fly_> LNKS: BIOS IRQ 10 for 0.1.INTA is invalid
[13:04] <fly_> LNKC: BIOS IRQ 11 does not match initial IRQ 10
[13:04] <fly_> so I'm wondering if the way I'm using -bios is wrong
[13:06] <tomreyn> fly_: there's a simple test case https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Using_UEFI_with_QEMU
[13:06] <tomreyn> this is probably more a topic for #qemu though
[13:06] <fly_> sure, thanks
[13:08] <chen__> hi
[13:09] <b247> @tomreyn: my question is how can i revert/install unity in 17.10, i just upgraded from 17.04 and gnome is not for me
[13:10] <tomreyn> b247: okay, i think (not sure really, maybe it's just no longer installed by default) unity is no longer part of ubuntu starting 17.10, but you may be able to find some PPA which still provides compatible builds.
[13:11] <cfhowlett> b247, install 16.04 Long Term Support release and you're good for 5 years
[13:12] <tomreyn> unity still seems to be available in 17.10 from the universe repositories
[13:13] <Thunder_Tw> i heard something like "sudo apt install unity" and it becomes an option at login to have a unity-session or gnome-session, is that correct?
[13:14] <tomreyn> probably
[13:14] <akik> mdroid: i was able to make the kvm vm access work through creating a bridge https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/QEMU#Create_network_bridge
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[13:20] <devin_> Hi there
[13:20] <b247> Thank you, apt install unity unity-session don t work, ... is already to the newest version, i already miss unity, i can of course go back to lts and miss all the stable features. Ill try first a reinstall of unity de
[13:27] <b247> Omg, i m so stupid, there was indeed a little cog  at the login screen :)
[13:39] <fly_> hi folks. I got an updated OVMF.fd and it worked :-)
[13:43] <lotuspsychje> !yay | fly_
[13:44] <fly_> :)
[13:50] <Fallenour> hey workign with ipmitools to set up a virtual ipmi instance, but I cant get the system to work, does installing and configuring ipmitools actually allow you to simulate a virtual ipmi device, or do you actually need the hardware?
[13:55] <lotuspsychje> afternoon alkisg
[13:55] <alkisg> Afternoon lotuspsychje, hi all! :)
[13:58] <rullie> 17.10 freezes a lot, anyone else notice that?
[13:58] <hlias> nah, rullie, no freezes here
[13:59] <rullie> hlias: gnome on wayland on nvidia card here
[13:59] <hlias> ah, intel wayland ;)
[13:59] <Fallenour> ugh
[13:59] <Fallenour> ipmi makin my day a rainy one
[14:00] <hlias> in fact, it's the most smooth experience. I guess it is due to wayland
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> rullie: try the xorg session at login plz
[14:04] <backbox> ciao a tutti
[14:06] <Artful_Aardvark> hello
[14:06] <lotuspsychje> Artful_Aardvark: welcome, how can we help?
[14:07] <Artful_Aardvark> i've recently switched from Xubuntu to the regular Ubuntu and i've found that i'm unable to create desktop launchers by right clicking in the mouse. is there any way to implement this feature like it exists on Xubuntu?
[14:08] <Artful_Aardvark> i mean, without the need to install another desktop environment
[14:08] <Artful_Aardvark> i've been searching around the web but seems there's not a native way to do it.
[14:10] <lidong> who use ubuntu 16.04, every time i open the software and install the OS updates, my computer crashes
[14:11] <lidong> how can i solve this problem
[14:12] <cristian_c> lidong: plasma discover?
[14:12] <cristian_c> gnome software?
[14:12] <lidong> yes, gnome software
[14:13] <cristian_c> I guess command line apt update/upgrade works well
[14:13] <lotuspsychje> Artful_Aardvark: wich ubuntu version are you on?
[14:14] <cristian_c> lidong: try to run gnome software from command line, when it crashes , paste output on pastebin
[14:14] <cristian_c> !paste | lidong
[14:15] <lidong> cristian_c: command line works very well
[14:15] <Artful_Aardvark> lotuspsychje, 17.10 :D
[14:16] <lidong> thanks all you guys, i will try
[14:16] <lotuspsychje> Artful_Aardvark: didnt test myself, but did you try drag n drop to desktop?
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> Artful_Aardvark: https://askubuntu.com/questions/64222/how-can-i-create-launchers-on-my-desktop
[14:21] <rullie> lotuspsychje: as in don't use wayland?
[14:22] <lotuspsychje> rullie: as in test and compare the difference to see if you can work properly?
[14:22] <rullie> lotuspsychje: the freeze can't be reliably reproduced from my 4 days of experience.  but ok, i'll switch to x to see if it differs
[14:23] <rullie> lotuspsychje: and what are we trying to gather from the experiment should the result differ?
[14:23] <lotuspsychje> rullie: if wayland doesnt work properly on your hardware, you could add it to a new/existing bug to help the community
[14:24] <Artful_Aardvark> lotuspsychje, hum, interesting. Using Alt +F2 doesn't work, but launching it from terminal it does
[14:24] <rullie> lotuspsychje: ok, thanks.
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> rullie: got a box with an old ati aswell, doesnt likes wayland too much neither, i also got a bug running
[14:26] <TJ-> rullie: when the system freezes can you ssh into it from another PC?
[14:30] <Mr_G42> test
[14:30] <Mr_G42> test
[14:35] <alkisg> I'm trying 17.10 in a vbox VM. When running xorg, I can see a lot of display resolutions. When running wayland, I only see 800x600.
[14:35] <alkisg> Normally I would do `xrandr --new mode 1440x900, xrandr --addmode XWAYLAND0 1440x900, xrandr --output XWAYLAND0 --mode 1440x900`, but this fails in wayland.
[14:35] <alkisg> So question, how can I set a custom resolution in the wayland era?
[14:37] <TJ-> alkisg: welcome to the future :)
[14:37] <alkisg> :D
[14:37] <alkisg> We'll certainly need time to adjust! :D
[14:38]  * alkisg tries passing the edid in the cmdline...
[14:38] <acresearch> people how do i add natural scrolling in ubuntu 16.04? it is not found in the setting under mouse/touchpad
[14:39] <TJ-> alkisg: does this help? https://superuser.com/questions/1137574/manually-add-a-resolution-to-gnome-with-wayland#1168914
[14:39] <acresearch> none of the commands in the forums seems to work i get packgae errors, is there a solution?
[14:39] <alkisg> TJ-: passing the edid in the cmdline worked, it even allowed the splash screen to be 1920x1080
[14:39] <alkisg> That's actually cool! :)
[14:40] <alkisg> Long story short, dpkg-reconfigure grub-efi-amd64, and drm_kms_helper.edid_firmware=edid/1920x1080.bin
[14:41] <akik> alkisg: is that a kernel parameter?
[14:41] <alkisg> akik: yes
[14:41] <TJ-> alkisg: that's neat; I need to remember that. Hell of a way to run a GUI though!
[14:42] <TJ-> Feels like we've gone back to 2005
[14:42] <akik> back.. back to the future
[14:42] <alkisg> It does make sense to use the same resolution in initramfs/plymouth/gdm/session though
[14:42] <TJ-> when we used to be adding vga=791 or whatever
[14:42] <alkisg> Haha, true
[14:43]  * alkisg tries to find the list of all available modes/edids...
[14:43] <TJ-> alkisg: yes, but the GUI should allow you to select from all the resolutions the monitor is capable of. Especially for hi-DPI screens some folks don't want to drive them at full res because the output is too fine/small
[14:43] <alkisg> Those seem limited: edid/1024x768.bin edid/1280x1024.bin edid/1600x1200.bin edid/1680x1050.bin edid/1920x1080.bin
[14:43] <alkisg> True
[14:44] <acresearch> people how do i add natural scrolling in ubuntu 16.04? it is not found in the setting under mouse/touchpad
[14:45] <TJ-> acresearch: what is natural scrolling?
[14:45] <alkisg> Ehrm. The bad thing is that it only lists that one resolution, not all common resolutions up to 1920x1080...
[14:46] <acresearch> TJ-: like the ipad,,, as if you are touching the screen, it is the reverse of the default setting (when moving up page goes down)
[14:47] <TJ-> acresearch: inverted axis?
[14:47] <acresearch> yes
[14:48] <alkisg> Heh. sudo -i. xrandr. No access to display. Nice future!
[14:49] <TJ-> alkisg: if there's no X there's no Xrandr
[14:49] <alkisg> TJ-: well, xrandr as the user works...
[14:49] <alkisg> (under xwayland)
[14:49] <TJ-> alkisg: to show all resolutions, or just the operative one?
[14:50] <alkisg> Just the operative one. But I mean, "sudo gedit" won't have access to the display now?
[14:50] <alkisg> There are many cases people are still using sudo gui...
[14:50] <lb_> Hello all! I'm trying to install intellij using the software center, but the install has been stuck on 99% for 15 minutes... How do I solve this?
[14:51] <TJ-> alkisg: right - because XWayland provides a socket but doesn't actually provide a way to configure anything, it's read-only
[14:51] <Rolfi01> Hallo tomreyn. Jetzt heiße ich Rolfi01
[14:51] <TJ-> alkisg: Apaprently, from what I've read, the Wayland designers deliberately don't want it running as UID 0
[14:51] <alkisg> TJ-: shouldn't the root user be able to access the display, even via socket or anything?
[14:51] <alkisg> Hrm
[14:52] <alkisg> The socket could be uid user, and still give access to root gedit over that...
[14:52] <alkisg> So what's the official way now to use gedit to edit e.g. /etc/addusers.conf?
[14:52] <TJ-> alkisg: There isn't one. you can try "xhost +si:localuser:root"
[14:54] <alkisg> TJ-: cool, that worked!
[14:54] <TJ-> alkisg: basically, the dev's have said any process that want's access to 'root'  capabilities should be using policykit calls
[14:54] <alkisg> Maybe gksu should use that... now it doesn't work
[14:54] <TJ-> alkisg: as usual the arch wiki is informative: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Running_X_apps_as_root
[14:55] <alkisg> Sure, that's a great design choice.... not :/ Instead of simplifying things, make them all tool-specific.
[14:55] <alkisg> ty, reading...
[14:59] <TJ-> alkisg: seems like this presciption thing comes from the companies behind the major distros where you've got management making directives rather than organic community development. We had it with Canonical and Unity, Mir; Redhat with pulseaudio, systemd, gnome, etc.
[15:02] <alkisg> TJ-: I can understand the need for sandboxing, but not the need to rewrite apps in a 'root backend/userland gui' seperation, that's just too much trouble for little benefit, the backend code won't be sandboxed then
[15:03] <alkisg> Anyways, nothing we can do to avoid that :)
[15:04] <TJ-> all the apps will get re-wrriten to use policykit, at which point someone will come up with a different solution and then it's all change once more :) I'm so glad I work in the terminal 95% of the time
[15:05] <alkisg> Exactly that. :)
[15:05] <alkisg> And I can't say policy kit is well designed, far from it
[15:07] <TJ-> Since 14.04 there have been so many major regressions that haven't been fixed I'm almost running a custom distro. Kernel's broke original bluetooth  standard devices so that means many of my BT keyboards won't work. several DE's broke multi-monitor support. systemd broke cryptsetup keyfile support (refuses to implement it)
[15:08] <TJ-> Thank goodness for virtual machines and containers
[15:12] <Fallenour> what desktop is easiest for a user to interact with?
[15:13] <oerheks> if you would ask"which not" the answer would be "none"
[15:14] <oerheks> all desktop environments need some time to explore, tweak and adjust
[15:14] <Syrenx> horrivel
[15:14] <ddoobb> I need some help. I adde this repo (https://launchpad.net/~teejee2008/+archive/ubuntu/ppa) and did 'sudo apt-get update' and tried to install conky-manager but it says package not found. But I can see the package right there on the web[age
[15:15] <FMan> it looks like there is no gopher server in Ubuntu repo
[15:15] <oerheks> ddoobb, on artful 17.10 ??
[15:15] <ddoobb> oerheks 16.10
[15:16] <hlias> ddoobb, there is no conky-manager on 16.10
[15:16] <hlias> on that ppa
[15:16] <oerheks> 16.10 is dead, EOL upgrade please
[15:16] <ddoobb> So no way to get conky-manager?
[15:16] <oerheks> else you could filter on your version https://launchpad.net/~teejee2008/+archive/ubuntu/ppa?field.series_filter=artful
[15:19] <oerheks> you would need gdebi to do it manually https://askubuntu.com/questions/932300/problem-in-installation-of-conky-on-ubuntu-17-04
[15:19] <ddoobb> Why do they go from n.04 to n.10 to (n+1).04. Aren't they wasting numbers?
[15:20] <oerheks> No, those are dates.
[15:21] <oerheks> 16.04 and next 18.04 are LTS releases, long term support = 5 years
[15:21] <Thunder_Tw> Ubuntu 17.10 is short for Ubuntu released on Oktober 2017
[15:21] <oerheks> aimed at stable, other releases are development stages, 9 months support
[15:26] <ddoobb> If I run this deb with the default software installer will that work? Or is gdeb necessary
[15:27] <Thunder_Tw> doubleclicking a .deb file works
[15:27] <varaindemian> show change to x11 instead of waylaid on 17.10 if I want stability everywhere?
[15:27] <ddoobb> will it also install dependencies?
[15:28] <Thunder_Tw> otherwise in console use sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[15:28] <Thunder_Tw> yes
[15:29] <oerheks> i guess you will fail, as it is written for an other ubuntu version, try it?
[15:29] <varaindemian> yes/no??
[15:29] <oerheks> ddoobb, no dependencies will be installed, your ubuntu repo server is dead
[15:30] <Derez> Can anyone confirm or deny that XRDP 9.0.1 is broke in Ubuntu/Lubuntu 17.04 ? XRDP worked great in 16.10.
[15:31] <ghoalee> join #political
[15:32] <skupra_> is ubuntu live?
[15:33] <ghoalee> chat?
[15:33] <MonkeyDust> skupra_  if you run it from a dvd/usb, then yes, it's called a live session
[15:33] <skupra_> :)
[15:33] <skupra_> not death :)
[15:34] <ghoalee> but, dont you have only a small amount of capabilites on live
[15:34] <ghoalee> like no nmap, wireshark, ect
[15:34] <skupra_> i am a dragon
[15:35] <ghoalee> love iptables
[15:35] <oerheks> skupra_, do you have an ubuntu support issue?
[15:35] <skupra_> no a am fake user
[15:35] <skupra_> a dont exist really
[15:35] <oerheks> !ot > skupra_
[15:36] <Lowas> Ubuntu 18.04 code name?
[15:37] <Lowas> Beautiful Buster?
[15:37] <ghoalee> barf bag
[15:37] <Lowas> sudo sed -i 's/artful/Buster/g' /etc/apt/sources.list
[15:37] <MonkeyDust> Lowas  stop
[15:37] <Lowas> sudo sed -i 's/ubuntu/Debian/g' /etc/apt/sources.list
[15:38] <Lowas> Joke...
[15:38] <oerheks> this is not a joke/chat channel guys, support only
[15:38] <MonkeyDust> Lowas  take your jokes elsewhere
[15:39] <ghoalee> is there a way to list channels for irc network?
[15:39] <skupra_> how to change username?
[15:39] <MonkeyDust> ghoalee  /msg alis list blah
[15:39] <MonkeyDust> skupra_  /nick blah
[15:40] <Lowas> But seriously?
[15:40] <Lowas> Code name ubuntu 18.04 LTS.
[15:40] <oerheks> Lowas, not announced yet.
[15:40] <skupra82> ta ta
[15:40] <Lowas> oerheks:sadly...
[15:43] <Vincent_> what exactly are frameworks in andoroid
[15:44] <Lowas> #Ubuntu-taking
[15:44] <oerheks> Vincent_, ask again in #android ??
[15:45] <Vincent_> oh sorry oerheks
[15:46] <skupra82> ubuntu ubuntu you my religion :)
[15:46] <skupra82> skupra.org/cover jouin me
[15:46] <oerheks> skupra82, don't spam here, you could get removed for that
[15:47] <mitmf> how can i unzip zip file?
[15:47] <skupra82> ok i be good
[15:47] <skupra82> very good
[15:47] <skupra82> a good boy
[15:47] <skupra82> good like linux mint
[15:47] <oerheks> mitmf, double click in your filemanager?
[15:48] <mitmf> i want to do it with terminal
[15:48] <mitmf> :)
[15:48] <mitmf> oerheks:
[15:48] <oerheks> mitmf, install unzip and see man unzip
[15:48] <zacktu> I'm trying to boot 17.10 from an iso on thumb drive.  On one computer I'm offered a selection that appears to be for uefi/non uefi.  On the computer where I really want to check out 17.10 there's only one selection for usb, but it is ignored.  Is there a setting that I need to do somewhere?
[15:48] <skupra82> dpkg -i  ?
[15:49] <mitmf> oerheks: i think that ubuntu is preinstalled unzip
[15:49] <mitmf> i think that unzip is preinstalled on ubuntu
[15:50] <connorkmc> is ther a way i can change my curser
[15:50] <mitmf> how can i unzip zip file? help me
[15:50] <mitmf> ubuntu user :(
[15:50] <MonkeyDust> !zip | mitmf
[15:50] <oerheks> zacktu, maybe fastboot is enabled on that machine? see the uefi manual
[15:50] <connorkmc> mitmf: right click and press extract here or extract to
[15:50] <oerheks> !uefi
[15:51] <mitmf> connorkmc: but i want to do it with terminal
[15:51] <alkisg> zacktu: how did you create the usb stick, with which tool?
[15:51] <oerheks> mitmf, time to learn to read te man pages
[15:51] <MonkeyDust> mitmf  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression#Command_Line_Usage
[15:52] <zacktu> oerheks: I used unetbootin
[15:52] <mitmf> unzip <filename>.zip
[15:53] <connorkmc> can i change my mouse in xfce
[15:53] <Durgeoble> hi
[15:53] <alkisg> zacktu: afaik unetbootin doesn't support uefi, so use the recommended rufus tool. https://github.com/unetbootin/unetbootin/issues/33
[15:53] <oerheks> zacktu, unetbootin is known for issues, but it worken on an other machine, so i guess it is oke
[15:53] <alkisg> (or better yet, "dd')
[15:53] <oerheks> dd would be my choise too
[15:54] <connorkmc> can i get help installing wine
[15:55] <oerheks> connorkmc, installing wine, yes, aps and game help, no
[15:55] <oerheks> !wine
[15:55] <Durgeoble> i tried to setup a local clone of repository but seems to be 171GB  there are anyway to clone a bit smaller set of debs? mayve 20 or 30 GB instead of the huge amount of nearly 200GB
[15:56] <zacktu> oerheks: I'll read some more and see what I can learn.  Thanks much.
[15:56] <connorkmc> whats the comande line
[15:57] <oerheks> connorkmc, comandline = tty = terminal
[15:58] <Derez> Can anyone confirm or deny that XRDP 9.0.1 is broke in Ubuntu/Lubuntu 17.04 ? XRDP worked great in 16.10.
[15:59] <oerheks> Derez, current is 0.9.1-9 in 17.04
[15:59] <oerheks> cannot confirm, ask again in #lubuntu ??
[15:59] <Derez> They sent me here.
[16:01] <ducasse> Derez: i doubt the package itself is broken, what sort of problems are you having?
[16:01] <zacktu> oerheks: I just want to be certain that I'm interpreting what I read correctly.  None of my computers has UEFI, and I've never had a problem burning an ISO before.  What should I be looking for now?
[16:01] <ducasse> Derez: and have you tried searching launchpad for bugs?
[16:02] <oerheks> zacktu, non uefi, then i have no idea why your usb does not show up
[16:02] <zacktu> The usb shows up -- even the brand name -- but it is ignored when selected.
[16:03] <Derez> if I use remotedesktop  to connect, I get the Black or Blue screen. Desktop never loads.
[16:03] <ddoobb> Can anyone explain what this means... " try exporting your $USER to the enviornment as every path in the conky files has /home/$USER/.. as path."
[16:04] <brunch> is there any gsetting to disable mouse acceleration?
[16:04] <TJ-> ddoobb: "export USER"
[16:05] <brunch> right now I use `xset m 0 0` but it doesn't persist across sessions and it's probably not wayland compatible
[16:05] <Pettis> ddoobb: if you want to find a tutorial search for something like "environment variables linux"
[16:06] <zacktu> I'll give rufus a try.  Thanks again.
[16:06] <skupra82> is this room for hacker?
[16:06] <ddoobb> TJ-, Pettis, If 'echo $USER' gives my home directory name, does that mean everything is OK
[16:07] <ducasse> skupra82: no
[16:07] <TJ-> ddoobb: USER should just be your username. HOME should be /home/$USER
[16:07] <skupra82> i want chanel for hacker i big hacker
[16:08] <oerheks> skupra82, if you were, you wound not need to ask
[16:08] <ddoobb> TJ- so files that use /home/$USER/... sshould work right?
[16:08] <ddoobb> it does give my username
[16:09] <ddoobb> trying to narrow down a problem because it's not working right now
[16:09] <Zeljko> Need some free alternative to cPanel for ubuntu
[16:10] <Pettis> ddoobb: it might be that the $USER var is not in the environment scope, just only been set in the shell you are using at the moment
[16:10] <TJ-> ddoobb: that's correct. type "env" to see all the environment variables currently set
[16:12] <Pettis> is anyone aware of some sort of IDE-like auto-complete for GNOME Terminal or similar?
[16:12] <ducasse> brunch: you can put that xset command in ~/.xsessionrc, but that won't help you with wayland.
[16:12] <TJ-> Pettis: many programs ship with bash-completion helpers
[16:12] <Pettis> e.g. that uses the man page to create a dropdown menu as you type from which you can see the available command options
[16:12] <ddoobb> Pettis, TJ- yeah env shows USER=<myusername>
[16:13] <ddoobb> So I assume this is not the problem?
[16:14] <TJ-> ddoobb: did you do "export USER" before calling the other script (in the same shell )
[16:15] <ddoobb> TJ- yes I did
[16:16] <drsasa> where did you make export command ? profile ? bashrc ?
[16:17] <ddoobb> bash shell
[16:18] <TJ-> ddoobb: so it is available then
[16:18] <Pettis> TJ-: I am thinking of a sort of GUI element as part of the terminal application itself...
[16:19] <drsasa> and whey you wrote echo $USER nothing ?
[16:19] <drsasa> when*
[16:19] <TJ-> Pettis: what's wrong with tab-completion?
[16:20] <luxio> does ubuntu have an openssh server running by default?
[16:20] <Pettis> TJ-: I'd like to be able to see the description of command options as I type so I don't have to go back to the man page
[16:20] <ducasse> luxio: server yes, desktop no
[16:21] <luxio> ok thank you
[16:21] <TJ-> Pettis: ahhh. Not sure how that'd work in a text terminal/console. And for GUI terminals they're just simple wrappers around the text terminals
[16:22] <oerheks> Pettis, something like upterm? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/08/upterm-terminal-ubuntu
[16:23] <Pettis> ...e.g. for pg_dump (https://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.1/static/app-pgdump.html) I would be able to see there is a "-F format" option and after I type "-F" the menu would then show "p plain \n c custom \n d directory \n t tar" etc.
[16:23] <kristhian> guys, i have a question. i am installing ubuntu 16.04 desktop in my pc
[16:23] <oerheks> next to wobbly windows, a nice ubuntu feature
[16:23] <ikonia> Pettis: thats the worst idea I can imagein
[16:23] <Pettis> oerheks: *click*
[16:23] <TJ-> Ouch! built on electron
[16:23] <ikonia> some commands have 200+ options
[16:23] <ikonia> how can you expect to display 200 options as you are typing
[16:23] <kristhian> problem is if i don't set it to 'high contrast' i cant view the 'try ubuntu' or 'install ubuntu'
[16:23] <kristhian> why do i have to set it on high contrast?
[16:23] <ikonia> just use the help flag or the man page, thats what it's there for
[16:24] <kristhian> is there a better way to make it easier
[16:24] <oerheks> kristhian, if you need high contrast, something wrond with your screen? eol ?
[16:24] <oerheks> c/wrong
[16:24] <mitmf> how can i extract img.xz file?
[16:24] <Pettis> ikonia: lol, I imagine it would display in a jump menu hovering over the cursor, as a intelligent auto-complete does in a programmer's IDE
[16:24] <kristhian> oerheks, yes
[16:24] <kristhian> i think so
[16:25] <mitmf> how can i extract img.xz file?
[16:25] <oerheks> kristhian, or maybe it needs a reset, with the menu on your monitor?
[16:25] <kristhian> or i think it is on the display, that i don't see the 'try ubuntu' and 'install ubuntu'
[16:25] <ducasse> mitmf: use unxz
[16:25] <kristhian> hmmm, i don't know about that
[16:25] <Pettis> oerheks: yes RE: upterm! this looks like exactly what I was looking for
[16:26] <mitmf> ducasse: unxz filename?
[16:26] <TJ-> Pettis: the problem is, if the commands you're using aren't in the upterm database, it won't be suggesting anything.
[16:26] <ikonia> Pettis: thats not how terminals work
[16:27] <TJ-> Pettis: check the db supports the apps you want help with
[16:27] <ikonia> oerheks: I suggest you fall in line with the way the world expects a terminal to work (not trying to be harsh but real)
[16:27] <ikonia> oerheks: oops, not you
[16:27] <ikonia> Pettis: ^
[16:27] <ducasse> mitmf: 'man unxz' if you're unsure
[16:27] <Pettis> TJ-: ah, so it is not using man pages
[16:27] <Maxulica> Hello
[16:27] <oerheks> ikonia, i know, it is fancy, it looks fun, and i see the educational part in it
[16:27] <Maxulica> I have a question.
[16:28] <TJ-> Pettis: no, that's be hard to do since there is no common format for them. it'd get caught out by different layouts, sections, etc.
[16:28] <Pettis> ikonia: I am not sure why a GUI terminal shouldn't be able to work that way?
[16:29] <plaindave> I just installed Ubuntu 17.10. Is there a way I can make the time at the top also show the date?
[16:30] <mitmf> ducasse: thanks i did it :)
[16:30] <Pettis> TJ-: ah, I didn't realise, I had a quick look at https://liw.fi/manpages/ and thought there was some sort of standard convention
[16:30] <[n0mad]> plaindave: gnome tweak tool > top bar is where it's configured on my 16.04
[16:31] <TJ-> Pettis: there is a rough organisation but there's no guarantee of layout. some tools don't use hyphen prefixes, for example
[16:31] <bolice> hi guys can anyone just quickly answer one question i have
[16:31] <ducasse> !ask | bolice
[16:32] <bolice> Ok, I just installed 17.04 a few days ago, not knowing that 17.10 is coming out and I set everything up like I want it and I'd really not upgrade, at least not until 18.04. Security wise, how supported for updates and software will I be with the 17.04?
[16:33] <ducasse> bolice: 17.04 is supported until january
[16:34] <Pettis> TJ-: fair point.  Do you know if there have been any attempts at creating a standard markup language for man pages?
[16:34] <drake01> Hi, how to compile dkms driver bcmwl for broadcom drivers?
[16:34] <ddoobb> How can I check installed version of a package
[16:34] <drake01> for latest kernel 4.14.0 rc5
[16:35] <bolice> ducasse: and what kind of support can I expect from January to April when 18.04 comes out? Nothing at all or will I still be able to update some stuff manually?
[16:35] <TJ-> Pettis: man-pages aren't even standard. The GNU project uses 'info' pages!
[16:36] <oerheks> bolice, you would need to upgrade to 17.10
[16:36] <TJ-> drake01: you mght find it fails to build - try the dkms package though
[16:37] <bolice> oerheks: ok thanks for the help guys
[16:38] <plaindave> n0mad Thanks
[16:38] <drake01> TJ-: even the dkms package fails to build. When I do dkms install log files show errors: initialization from incompatible pointer type
[16:38] <drake01> errors multiple time
[16:38] <drake01> *times
[16:39] <Pettis> TJ-: haha, damn, I'm out of my depth then.  I'm going to be looking at this upterm though, sound promising.
[16:39] <TJ-> drake01: right, because the v4.14 code has changed and bcmwl hasn't been patched. This is the problem with out-of-tree drivers.
[16:40] <TJ-> Pettis: it'd need a curated list of the options (and short snappy summaries) for every application to be useful, which is where the hard work and time is required
[16:42] <drake01> TJ-: yeah, that is the problem. I am wondering if broadcom chips are supported by opensource wireless drivers?
[16:42] <Pettis> TJ-: yeah, it's a fair point.  I wouldn't mind writing some myself because it's just a handful of applications I don't use frequently enough to be able to memorise the options
[16:43] <Pettis> yet do use frequently enough that forgetting the options is annoying
[16:43] <TJ-> drake01: well brcmwl is open-source, but it's out-of-tree so it doesn't get automatically updated as the kernel changes, it's down to it's devs or interested users to do that and share the patches
[16:44] <TJ-> Pettis: I use a terminal multiplexer (tmux) so when I need that I create a new pane to the right in the window and load the man-page their; then I can see both the command I'm building and navigaite the man-page
[16:44] <TJ-> s/their/there/
[16:45] <ikonia> Pettis: you don't need to memorise the options, thats the point
[16:45] <Pettis> TJ-: yeah, that's a good idea also, I should really start doing that.  I have used screen before, I just keep forgetting
[16:45] <ikonia> Pettis: if you need to reference the options as they are not fresh in your mind, most have a --help option for common options and the man page for details
[16:46] <ikonia> Pettis: just take a quick look before you use the command
[16:47] <drake01> TJ-: thanks for replying :) I hope am able to fix this wireless driver issue for the kernel by the end of weekend. life sucks without wireless.
[16:48] <TJ-> drake01: why not simply use an earlier kernel version for the time being?
[16:48] <Pettis> ikonia: thanks, I will try all these things
[16:49] <drake01> TJ-: yeah that's what I am using and able to connect. till 4.10 broadcom' dkms driver used to work but after
[16:49] <ikonia> Pettis: you're the only person I've ever seen requestthat sort of feature,
[16:50] <drake01> 4.10 it just does not work. I am testing latest kernel this weekend, if I can change dkms driver's code to work with latest kernel source
[16:52] <TJ-> drake01: building it here to check
[16:53] <drake01> TJ-: cool. THANKS a lot :)
[16:54] <Pettis> ikonia: cognitively my working memory tests below average so maybe I find it difficult to memorise options or something
[16:55] <Pettis> ikonia: if you check this out though it does seem I'm not the only one... https://github.com/railsware/upterm
[16:55] <drake01> TJ-: initial error is about last_rx being not there anymore that should be fixed by deleting: skb->dev->last_rx = jiffies in src/wl/sys/wl_linux.c
[16:56] <TJ-> drake01: yeah, looks like lots of changes have broken it. doesn't look trivial to fix up
[16:58] <drake01> TJ-: yeah lot of changes, am trying to see if I can understand changes done from 4.10 to 4.14 in those structs. It should be a fun weekend :)
[17:00] <kristhian> question, what is a good ip camera software for ubuntu?
[17:00] <TJ-> drake01: the artful package supports 4.12 but I don't see any patches anywhere for 4.13/4.14
[17:05] <Pettis> upterm issue #1029... 'Typing "git" triggers 724 system calls' :'''D
[17:07] <drake01> deb http://cz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial main restricted
[17:10] <oerheks> dragly, maybe you need to enable HWE
[17:10] <oerheks> !hwe
[17:11] <gowtham> hi
[17:14] <schnizel> hi everybody
[17:16] <Geo> Hi, when running apt-get update:  "W: The repository 'http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-security Release' does not have a Release file." along with several others of the same genre... any thoughts as to why? fresh install
[17:17] <Geo> E: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial-security/universe/source/Sources  404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.162 80]
[17:17] <Geo> etc etc
[17:18] <varaindemian> do I need refi partition on ubuntu?
[17:19] <varaindemian> ef*
[17:19] <varaindemian> efi*
[17:21] <vimes> varaindemian: install efi on Ubuntu? You should instasll ubuntu and link to it on the uefi bootloader, probably the same as windows is using if you have windows. Just boot your install USB in EFI/UEFI mode and the Ubuntu installer does this by itself https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[17:21] <CashDash123> Can I have multiple dist on an iso?
[17:22] <vimes>  why would you want that? yes you can, but it's complicated CashDash123 and probably not worth the time
[17:22] <LoveCoinz> https://cryptosrevolution.wixsite.com/beta
[17:22] <ducasse> LoveCoinz: no spam here, please
[17:23] <CashDash123> vimes, because I want to mess around with an EOL version,and want to add multiple dist to have upgraded packages
[17:23] <CashDash123> during the install
[17:23] <varaindemian> vimes, how can you I tell if it's booted in efi mode?
[17:24] <ducasse> varaindemian: see if /sys/firmware/efi/efivars exists and is non-empty
[17:24] <vimes> you shouldn't use packages for a newer distro on a EOL distro any how CashDash123, you *can*, but it's not tested. I'd rather download packages I needed manually and install instead of chrooting into (or pulling from iso) packages
[17:24] <CashDash123> vimes, I meant the archive
[17:25] <CashDash123> from the archive for lucid
[17:25] <varaindemian> ducasse, inside the graphical installer?
[17:26] <ducasse> varaindemian: start the installer in 'try ubuntu' mode, then check from a terminal to continue installing, just click the icon
[17:27] <Geo> Hi, when running apt-get update:  "W: The repository 'http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-security Release' does not have a Release file." along with several others of the same genre... any thoughts as to why? fresh install
[17:27] <ducasse> CashDash123: lucid is eol, so not supported here
[17:28] <CashDash123> ducasse, I meant adding the archived dist from http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists
[17:28] <Toba> it looks like Synergy which I think used to be totally open source, is now a pay for security model. https://symless.com/synergy/pricing
[17:28] <Toba> Is there an alternative for Ubuntu?
[17:29] <varaindemian> ducasse, and if it has refi/var populated can I restart and install?
[17:30] <ducasse> varaindemian: no need, read what i said again
[17:30] <varaindemian> ducasse, and if I want to manually create the partitions should I also create the onefor efi?
[17:33] <carnau> I'm trying to generate an executable from an asm code I did. Executing "gcc -g -o div div.o" returns "/usr/bin/ld: div.o: relocation R_X86_64_32 against `.data' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC"
[17:33] <carnau> Is there any repo to download an compile ld by myself with the required option?
[17:33] <ikonia> what ?
[17:34] <ikonia> recompile the linker ????
[17:34] <carnau> Yes
[17:34] <ikonia> that seems foolish
[17:35] <ikonia> are you sure it doesn't mean you need YOUR code to be compiled with -fPIC options
[17:35] <ikonia> rather than the linker
[17:35] <carnau> mmmmmm, going to dig it
[17:35] <ikonia> dig it ?
[17:35] <Geo> groovy, man
[17:36] <carnau> but as the linker is called from the gcc command, I don't know if I can change the options
[17:36] <ikonia> of course you can
[17:36] <ikonia> you set the linker options
[17:37] <carnau> *i'm going to dig into it
[17:38] <carnau> thanks :-)
[17:39] <ikonia> carnau: may I suggest joining some c programming channels and asking for help - rather than telling people the solution
[17:40] <ikonia> reaplcing and breaking the linker on your system (when there is no need to touch the linker) would cripple your system
[17:41] <varaindemian> ducasse, ?
[17:41] <varaindemian> ducasse, should I create the efi partition if I choose to manually create partitions?
[17:42] <ducasse> varaindemian: yes, manual partitioning requires you handle that
[17:42] <ducasse> varaindemian: (unless one exists already)
[17:43] <ddoobb> Can I move a partition that has ubuntu installed on it to somewhere else in the drive (I want to shrink/expand other partitions) with GParted on a liveUSB. Will I need to edit grub or anything like that after this?
[17:44] <varaindemian> ducasse, I have one from my previous arch install
[17:45] <BluesKaj> varaindemian, this tutorial is very straight forward easy to follow if you need a reference, https://fitzcarraldoblog.wordpress.com/2017/02/10/partitioning-hard-disk-drives-for-bios-mbr-bios-gpt-and-uefi-gpt-in-linux/
[17:46] <Jordan_U> ddoobb: Any time you repartition you should re-install grub. (There are times when it's needed, and times when not, but it's easiest just to always re-run grub-install after repartitioning)
[17:48] <Jordan_U> varaindemian: Then set that partition's mountpoint to be /boot/efi/. The two distros will share the EFI System Partition. You only have one EFI System Partition per drive.
[17:48] <theablestman> hi
[17:49] <vimart> hi
[17:49] <theablestman> i installed gnome and remove most of it when my system starts up i see gnome then unity how do i fix this?
[17:50] <varaindemian> Jordan_U, I just want one distro for my system. Should I use efi in this case?
[17:50] <varaindemian> should I create it in the ubuntu installer?
[17:50] <varaindemian> or just the /, /home and swap?
[17:50] <Jordan_U> varaindemian: Are you using the whole drive for your new Ubuntu install?
[17:51] <durzzzo> j #beast-chat
[17:51] <varaindemian> yes
[17:51] <varaindemian> Jordan_U,
[17:52] <Jordan_U> varaindemian: Then why not just let the installer automatically partition the drive for you?
[17:52] <varaindemian> Jordan_U, will I get the home partition afterwards?
[17:52] <varaindemian> and the swap?
[17:53] <Jordan_U> varaindemian: Why do you want a separate /home/?
[17:53] <carnau> ikonia, -fPIC on gcc command does nothing
[17:53] <varaindemian> Jordan_U, future reinstalls of os?
[17:53] <varaindemian> I will switch to 18.04 when its ready
[17:53] <ikonia> carnau: you don't just do that
[17:53] <vimart> Its good to have separate /home partition
[17:54] <hoe`> is there a program specifically for searching source code references? Like, I want to be able to enter the name of a method/function and get the file/line number.
[17:54] <vimart> make /, /home, /swap
[17:54] <hoe`> preferably without the use of ctags.
[17:55] <hoe`> There's cscope, but I'll mostly be searching C++, JS, and C#
[17:55] <Jordan_U> varaindemian: Ubuntu's installer allows you to re-install while preserving /home, even when it's not on a separate partition.
[17:56] <varaindemian> Jordan_U, why not have a separate partition for that?
[17:56] <Jordan_U> hoe`: Are you searching within a single project, or searching for references across many projects.
[17:56] <Jordan_U> ?
[17:56] <varaindemian> Jordan_U, How does he allocate memory for it?
[17:56] <varaindemian> swap memory*
[17:57] <hoe`> Jordan_U, I'm thinking of "recursively from my current directory"
[17:57] <Jordan_U> varaindemian: Because if you have /home/ be a separate partition you have to predict ahead of time how much of your space will be needed for / vs /home, possibly needing to resize later on.
[17:57] <Flannel> varaindemian: You could use a swap file, but a swap partition is pretty standard.  So yes, I agree with your /, swap, and /home
[17:58] <ddoobb> If any conky users are here please answer my questions on #conky
[17:59] <TJ-> varaindemian: if you use LVM you can reassign space as needed rather than trying to guess how much will be needed where. I have lvextend-ed the /home/ LV several times over the years
[17:59] <varaindemian> so LVM would be the best choice
[17:59] <Jordan_U> hoe`: grep -Rn "some_function" .
[18:00] <hoe`> I was worried that was the answer :) I can live with it tho.
[18:00] <varaindemian> ?
[18:01] <hoe`>  alias grepcf=grep --exclude ".git" --include "*.h" --include "*.hpp" --include "*.c" --include "*.cpp"  --include "*.m" --include "*.cs" --color -2 -IrizoE "(#DEFINE\s+$*)|([^\w_]$*\s*\([^\)]*\)\s*\{)" *
[18:01] <hoe`> that's what my current method definition searcher looks like.
[18:01] <varaindemian> TJ any downsides for LVM?
[18:02] <TJ-> varaindemian: the only problem with the installer in automatic mode is it allocates all the space immediately. I would only allocate what I expect to use for the next 12 months (generally 8GB rootfs, 8GB /var/ 1GB /boot/ /usr/local/ 2GB, and /home/ 50GB then the remainder is free space in the Volume Group (VG) that can be used to extend any of those LVs, or add new ones (for virtual machines, containers,
[18:02] <TJ-> etc.)
[18:02] <TJ-> varaindemian: LVM supports snapshots of LVs too, making it possible to roll back things like release-upgrades that go very wrong
[18:02] <Flannel> varaindemian: you need to understand how LVM works (it's not that complicated), and if things go south, your rescue disks need to understand LVM (which isn't as uncommon as it once was)
[18:03] <varaindemian> is lvm more secure and traditional installer?
[18:03] <Flannel> No.
[18:04] <TJ-> varaindemian: LVM is just containers - you still use regular file-systems inside the Logical Volumes
[18:04] <ducasse> hoe`: have you looked at 'ack'?
[18:04] <hoe`> I'm messing with silver searcher (ag) atm.
[18:04] <hoe`> have not used ack/ag before tho.
[18:04] <TJ-> varaindemian: think of LVs as individual partitions you can resize at will (given some free extents in their parent VG)
[18:05] <varaindemian> TJ-, just found an example here https://wiki.debian.org/LVM
[18:07] <TJ-> varaindemian: another useful feature is the ability to install different distros into separate LVs but all use the same /home/. (I do that and those LVs can be booted on bare-metal, in a virtual machine, or as containers (because I have a separate /boot/ containing the kernels)
[18:08] <liquidddd> hi. I want to ubuntu 17.04,since I like Unity. But in releases over 15.10, there is a visual glitch : when i drag a (small?) windows down on the screen,move it, the launcher and panel start flickering,and then they become completely invisible,but one could still see their shadow. Once I click anywhere on the desktop again,they become visible again. This is very annoying ,forcing me to stay on 15.10. There is any cure ? Thanks PS: I have Intel hd 4600
[18:08] <liquidddd> graphics
[18:08] <liquidddd> oh
[18:08] <liquidddd> irc ate my text
[18:08] <Jordan_U> varaindemian: I think it's good to think about what you're actually gaining by your choices though. If you plan to use LVM's snapshotting features, or multi device features, or plan to share /home/ between multiple distributions *at the same time*, then you gain a lot by using it. If not, then you're just gaining the freedom to manually resize your /home/ partition when needed, but it's a freedom you
[18:08] <liquidddd> hi. I want to ubuntu 17.04,since I like Unity. But in releases over 15.10, there is a visual glitch : when i drag a (small?) windows down on the screen,move it, the launcher and panel start flickering,and then they become completely invisible,but one could still see their shadow. Once I click anywhere on the desktop again,they become visible again. This is very annoying ,forcing me to stay on 15.10. There is any cure ? Thanks PS: I have Intel hd 4600
[18:08] <liquidddd> graphics
[18:09] <Jordan_U> don't need if you never need to resize anything (because when everything is in your root filesystem, things take up exactly the space they need and no more).
[18:09] <varaindemian> TJ  can I switch to LVM from traditional installer?
[18:09] <liquidddd> sorry for the messed up text..dunno what happen. Im not good at irc
[18:12] <BluesKaj> Jordan_U, using a / and /home partitions makes for much less work after upgrading to a new release , most of your settings and their config files are saved
[18:13] <alkisg> "or plan to share /home/ between multiple distributions *at the same time*" ==> how does lvm help there? Why is it different from just using a separate mbr/uefi ext4 partition for /home?
[18:13] <Guest48587> hi
[18:14] <TJ-> varaindemian: installer offers the option for LVM install
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[18:15] <hoe`> incase anyone wants it, here's that grep converted to ag: ag --ignore ".git" -G ".+\.(h|hpp|c|cpp|m|cs)" -i "(#DEFINE\s+$*)|([^\w_]$*\s*\([^\)]*\)\s*\{)"
[18:15] <hoe`> it will find a C/C++/C#/JS syntaxed function who's passed in as the first argument.
[18:16] <ghoalee> what is the best way to reduce ubuntu to a minimal system.. like just browser with plugins and transmission
[18:16] <varaindemian> TJ-, does encrypting the ubuntu installation affect the speed of the os?
[18:18] <alkisg> ghoalee: start with a minimal installation and then install the browser and transmission
[18:18] <ghoalee> kay
[18:18] <liquidddd> anyone ? Has any idea why newer unity releases are screwed on intel graphics ?
[18:19] <Dbugger> Hello eveyone
[18:19] <Dbugger> how are you all liking 17.10?
[18:19] <oerheks> liquidddd, an idea on your opinion ? this is technical support
[18:20] <liquidddd> oerheks, its not an opinion, its a fact. I see it tens of times .
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[18:20] <ducasse> ghoalee: you can use the lubuntu alternate installer to install just a minimal base, then add what you want
[18:20] <Flannel> guest-9DFWGQ: please stop that.
[18:21] <liquidddd> its not my pc, since versions till 15.10,as I said,works FINE. As well as other compiz based things
[18:21] <guest-9DFWGQ> hez are zou single
[18:21] <ducasse> liquidddd: it's not broken for everyone, i can assure you of that
[18:21] <guest-9DFWGQ> lolololololol9ol9olol0olo0ol90omd nz<hdmt
[18:21] <liquidddd> ok,maybe not everyone,but it is for me. And i seeked ''technical support''
[18:21] <oerheks> so it does not affect you, good
[18:22] <rdh> liquidddd, working fine here, on intel
[18:23] <liquidddd> oerheks, sorry man, your idea of 'technical support' is pathetic. If you're the guy who gives it, you better change your job.no offence.
[18:23] <liquidddd> rdh, i belive you,but i have an issue.
[18:23] <liquidddd> and its resolved by saying that its just an opinion
[18:23] <alkisg> In 17.10 Ubuntu/Gnome, where can I disable the screensaver locking feature?
[18:23] <Thunder_Tw> please, no1 is dooing their job here. no1 is getting payed
[18:24] <rdh> liquidddd, no, this is a specific issue that does not apply to ALL intel, as your statement implies: <liquidddd> anyone ? Has any idea why newer unity releases are screwed on intel graphics ?
[18:25] <liquidddd> okay maybe i generalized as an expression,a way of saying, but still the issue for me exist
[18:25] <ghoalee> @alkisg https://askubuntu.com/questions/177348/how-do-i-disable-the-screensaver-lock/817514
[18:26] <alkisg> ghoalee: do you have that option in 17.10? I don't seem to have it...
[18:26] <alkisg> I can use gsettings to do it from the console, but I can't find a gui for it
[18:27] <ghoalee> I don't run 17
[18:27] <rdh> liquidddd, besides... we do not know what "screwed" is as far as to what you are seeing
[18:27] <alkisg> I don't think your advice applies to 17.10...
[18:28] <alkisg> Thank you though
[18:28] <liquidddd> well guys,thanks for your help, at least i learned that if you dont use proper english, people will 'help' you to not generalize. But unity still sucks FOR ME. I'll stay with 15.10
[18:28] <ghoalee> can try xset command
[18:28] <ducasse> liquidddd: what exactly is broken?
[18:29] <alkisg> ghoah found it , they put it in the "privacy" tab
[18:29] <ghoalee> nice
[18:29] <liquidddd> ducasse, unity panel and launcher flicker untill they dissapear when i drag a window to the botoom of the screen. They reaper on the next mouse click
[18:29] <alkisg> *ghoalee, sorry, mistyped the name
[18:30] <liquidddd> rdh, if you dont understand proper english ,we can both go and take some classe,no worries.At least im not a native speaker. tc
[18:30] <liquidddd> classes*
[18:30] <rdh> liquidddd, lol screwed is not a technical term
[18:30] <liquidddd> but im not a technical dev either aint i haha
[18:30] <liquidddd> Im a normal user
[18:31] <xcvbxcvbxbcxbcbx> I am a normal user too
[18:31] <rdh> liquidddd, http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[18:33] <rdh> liquidddd, https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2088695 <- seems related.
[18:33] <liquidddd> rdh, thanks. I,ll put it on my christmas reading list-1228Christmas. I dont plan to lurk on irc till the rest of my life. Two times in my life,I dont need 'education' for irc questions. In any case, your help was invaluable, thanks.
[18:33] <xcvbxcvbxbcxbcbx> how to turn off some notifications in xchat?
[18:34] <akik> liquidddd: there's a suggestion to disable fading windows in ccsm
[18:35] <akik> liquidddd: ccsm = compiz config settings manager
[18:35] <liquidddd> akik, thanks.. i found something similar ..https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1283979
[18:37] <liquidddd> is that bug ,or can it be resolved ?
[18:38] <ducasse> liquidddd: try reading the comments, see if anyone found a solution
[18:39] <rdh> liquidddd, this is an nvidia related issue.
[18:39] <liquidddd> ducasse, thanks. I,ll also try to find that option in ccm,to disable fading windows. In a virtualbox,ofc
[18:39] <liquidddd> ccsm*
[18:40] <ghoalee> did you try the mesa stack updates
[18:40] <ghoalee> look up nvidia mesa stack update or something
[18:40] <rdh> liquidddd, https://askubuntu.com/questions/786046/unity-problem-missing-launch-bar-and-severe-flickering-of-windows-icons/787889
[18:41] <liquidddd> i just updated normally, ubuntu 17.04, 16.10, and 16.04 . They still have that annying behavior. While the Unity in ubuntu 15.10 doesnt.
[18:41] <liquidddd> also, I have Intel not Nvidia
[18:41] <liquidddd> :)
[18:44] <orogor> hi
[18:44] <liquidddd> In any case,thanks for the help. To all. I could always stay with 14.04, it doesnt show this behavior either,and it's still supported.
[18:44] <orogor> can i still get a passwordless login via single mode ?
[18:44] <orogor> after upgrade , mygraphics are in 640x480 and my sudo comamnd won t work
[18:45] <ducasse> liquidddd: you should also try filing a bug if you can't find one that matches
[18:45] <orogor> it just hangs ater typing the pass
[18:45] <ducasse> liquidddd: that way it can get fixed
[18:45] <ghoalee> liquid.. i think it might be something like you need to upgrade your mesa stack.. but you have to find.. there are like 4 or 5 things and they deal with open_gl and stuff
[18:45] <rdh> ghoalee, more than likely what the issue is
[18:45] <ghoalee> https://askubuntu.com/questions/643140/how-to-update-opengl-with-intel-graphics-card-ubuntu-14-04
[18:45] <ghoalee> kind of like that
[18:46] <liquidddd> thanks man, I'll take a look
[18:47] <Sven_vB> how can I configure my Ubuntu xenial to always use the latest 4.x version of bluez-tools, but avoid 5.x or later?
[18:50] <diskin> Sven_vB, https://askubuntu.com/questions/18654/how-to-prevent-updating-of-a-specific-package
[18:52] <Sven_vB> diskin, won't that hold or lock on to the exact current version? I'd prefer to still get 4.x updates if any are released. or is the latter impossible in apt's versioning scheme?
[18:56] <ducasse> Sven_vB: as you generally don't find v4 and v5 of a package in the same repo, i guess it doesn't come up often
[18:57] <ducasse> in the cases you do, the major number is usually part of the package name
[18:57] <Sven_vB> ducasse, thanks!
[18:57] <Sven_vB> so first I'll go check whether 4.x is actually available
[19:00] <knittel> hello
[19:01] <knittel> i am sorry maybe i ask a stupid question , but my wife want another background and i am in the hurry...
[19:01] <knittel> "howto"?
[19:01] <knittel> and good evening for everybody
[19:02] <ducasse> Sven_vB: if you have v4 in one repo and v5 in another, you should be able to prefer one of them via some clever apt configuration. which ubuntu version is this?
[19:02] <Sven_vB> ducasse, xenial 16.04.3
[19:02] <Sven_vB> ducasse, I'm not sure yet whether I do have a repo with 4.x
[19:03] <ducasse> Sven_vB: ok, so theoretical question so far :)
[19:04] <Sven_vB> yeah. I might even abandon the entire attempt because I just had an idea how I might be able to shim bt-audio with bluez 5.x :)
[19:04] <Sven_vB> then I won't have to consider whether the hold has security implications
[19:10] <varaindemian> [    0:000000] [Firmware Bug]: TSC_DEADLINE disabled due to Errata; please update microcode to version: 0x52 (or later)
[19:10] <varaindemian> 0x25 or later ****
[19:11] <varaindemian> anyone can help here?
[19:12] <tomreyn> varaindemian: install the micocode update utility which matches your cpu
[19:12] <varaindemian> I had this while trying to install ubuntu
[19:12] <Jordan_U> varaindemian: Is there an intel microcode update available in the "Additional Drivers" tool that comes with Ubuntu?
[19:12] <varaindemian> I tried ubuntu and after turning it off it appeared again
[19:12] <tomreyn> does it stop you from installing?
[19:13] <varaindemian> should I proceed with installation and see after that what can I do?
[19:13] <tomreyn> yes
[19:13] <varaindemian> tomreyn, nope
[19:13] <varaindemian> should this get fixed after installation?
[19:13] <tomreyn> the "additional drivers" GUI should allow you to do so post-installation
[19:14] <tomreyn> (as Jordan already pointed out)
[19:14] <varaindemian> alright
[19:15] <varaindemian> for fat32 type i see only dos and windows
[19:16] <varaindemian> whats the correspondent for /boot?
[19:22] <varaindemian> what do you recommend refi or legacy?
[19:22] <varaindemian> uefi*
[19:24] <Jordan_U> varaindemian: UEFI
[19:24] <varaindemian> can I update the bios without having windows?
[19:25] <krwq> hello, does anyone know how to check file size limit for a given partition? I've tried `ulimit -c` but I'm not sure what partition that limit is for or if this value is even ok (it gives me 0 which apparently is unlimited). I can only think of parsing df output and hard code mapping from partition type and block size to a max file size
[19:25] <akik> varaindemian: not in every case. there's a legal way to create a bootable windows iso which gives you a kind of live session
[19:25] <ducasse> varaindemian: depends, some can be updated from inside the firmware menus, and some even from ubuntu
[19:26] <akik> varaindemian: http://www.webupd8.org/2013/07/how-to-create-bootable-windows-pe-iso.html
[19:28] <Iarfen> hi!
[19:30] <Jordan_U> krwq: The primary file size limit I can think of is that imposed by the design of the filesystem itself, like the 2 GiB file size limit for any fat32 filesystem. So maybe you should just be checking the filesystem of the mountpoint in question? What problem are you having? What is your end goal?
[19:31] <acresearch> downgraded back to 17.04 could not handle the massive amount of bugs in 17.10
[19:31] <akik> fat32 max file size is 4 gigs
[19:33] <krwq> Jordan_U: when I'm doing backups on the usb device I'd like to detect if the zip will fit within limits. currently it depends on how partition is formatted
[19:34] <haze_> act 1
[19:34] <haze_> help
[19:35] <haze_> hello
[19:35] <haze_> someone here?
[19:35] <acresearch> haze_: ?
[19:35] <ducasse> !ask | haze_
[19:35] <haze_> just testing
[19:35] <krwq> ok, going with: df -PT <path> | awk '{print $2}' | tail -1
[19:36] <krwq> and checking what it returns and mapping that to some hard coded sizes
[19:36] <ducasse> haze_: wouldn't ##test be a better place for that?
[19:36] <mrhubrisje> question: is Peerguardian any good?
[19:37] <haze_> ducasse im fine
[19:39] <acresearch> are the bugs in 17.10 going to get fixed, or this is the way it is going to stay?
[19:39] <acresearch> what is the policy from canonical?
[19:39] <haze_> i'm new into  bash in windows
[19:39] <haze_> what can i do with this?
[19:39] <haze_> just manage my system as i doing with cmd? lol
[19:39] <ducasse> !ubuwin | haze_
[19:40] <ducasse> haze_: we don't support that, try ^^ that channel
[19:40] <haze_> ok, dude
[19:40] <haze_> thanks
[19:42] <Jordan_U> acresearch: Of course developers will try to fix bugs in Ubuntu 17.10. There will be many bug fix, and security update fix, updates for the supported life of the release. That said, I can't guarantee that the particular bugs you're facing will be fixed. Also, bug fixes that would require upgrading to a new major version of a package are not likely to happen unless they're particularly severe (and affect
[19:42] <Jordan_U> many users). Though, usually with such severe common bugs the fixes get backported so that new major versions aren't needed anyway.
[19:43] <acresearch> Jordan_U:  oh ok
[19:43] <acresearch> Jordan_U: i understand
[19:44] <ducasse> acresearch: bugs being fix depend on people actually filing them, though
[19:44] <ducasse> *fixed
[19:45] <krytarik> Also could help testing *before* a release.
[19:45] <mia> Hello there channel
[19:46] <mia> I've upgraded ubuntu 16.04 let to th latest, 17.10
[19:46] <acresearch> ducasse: well, i am not motivated to report bugs when i see each release worse then the one before.
[19:46] <mia> but I don't see the default (gnome) desktop environment, it logs me into unity
[19:46] <mia> when I log off, and relog, there is only the unity option there
[19:46] <ducasse> acresearch: so, how is it supposed to get better if nobody bothers to do that?
[19:46] <mia> So I'm wondering if it's possible to reinstall the current version of ubuntu without losing any data, (and if that would solve my problems)
[19:47] <acresearch> ducasse: if i feel my efforts are being addressed i would, but from experience bugs i reported remained
[19:48] <krytarik> So why even bring this up then?
[19:49] <acresearch> krytarik: maybe someone here would be motivated to report it instead of me
[19:49] <acresearch> or maybe the developer reads it
[19:49] <krytarik> But you aren't telling any details?
[19:49] <acresearch> krytarik: sorry, i think i discussed them earlier this morning
[19:49] <krytarik> Aha, ok.
[19:50] <Iberian> Hello everyone. I need help, please. I have a Macmini and I installed Ubuntu along with Mac Os. In order to dual boot, I installed rEFInd. The thing is I can boot both Mac Os and Ubuntu 17.10, but there are two ubuntu boot entries and one of them doesn't boot anything...
[19:50] <Iberian> How can I get rid of that one?
[19:51] <Jordan_U> mia: You can re-install without losing any data, but you have to be careful when installing to not accidentally select the "Erase Entire Drive" option.
[19:51] <acresearch> 1. global dark theme from tweek tools do not work. 2. progress bar for (copy/move files) non-existant. 3. all libra office programs has no buttons (these i found so far i down graded back to 17.04 so if there are more bugs i don't know of them)
[19:51] <acresearch> krytarik:
[19:51] <mia> Jordan_U, I will be careful about that, would that solve my problems ?
[19:52] <mia> Also --- is there any way to do this without downloading the image, writing it to usb, and going through all that ?
[19:52] <mia> I'm looking for (if possible) a terminal baased workaround, if not possible my second option would be to directly download and install rather than writing it to an external drive
[19:53] <Jordan_U> mia: https://didrocks.fr/2017/10/18/ubuntu-gnome-shell-in-artful-day-16/ This covers what sessions are available in Ubuntu 17.10, and when you would have multiple options.
[19:53] <Jordan_U> mia: How did you upgrade?
[19:54] <mia> Jordan_U, apt-get dist-upgrade was my method
[19:54] <mia> after setting my LTS to "all upgrades" rather than LTS only of course
[19:55] <Jordan_U> mia: Only running "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" won't ever upgrade you to a new Ubuntu releases, and is *not* even a part of upgrading the correct way.
[19:55] <Jordan_U> !upgrade | mia
[19:55] <mia> but at the end of my upgrade, my computer somehow restarted itself without any notification, I think that was related to some nvidia drivers, so I don't know if the installation was a success or not
[19:56] <mia> Jordan_U, yes, the software updatr says I don'T have any updates
[19:56] <mia> and when starting the machine it states 17.10
[19:56] <mia> so I believe it's updated (not sure if properly though)
[19:56] <mia> so I cna't do the software update method any more, as it ays, "no updates"
[19:57] <cristian_c> ok, then abother question
[19:57] <Jordan_U> mia: Did you perform any steps other than running "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"?
[19:57] <cristian_c> what command could I type in order to know if wayland is running?
[19:57] <mia> I've went into software updater first, and selected "for any new version"
[19:57] <cristian_c> any ideas?
[19:58] <mia> Jordan_U, before all that I did apt-get update and apt-get upgrde just to be safe
[19:58] <analogical> where can I find casual games for Ubuntu?
[19:58] <mia> so it's only sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade, selecting "for any new version" from the software and updates window, and then doing the dist-upgrade
[19:58] <Jordan_U> mia: You didn't edit /etc/apt/source.list? (You should *not* have, but many people think that's the correct way to upgrade).
[19:58] <cristian_c> analogical: software center
[19:59] <xtron> how to launch an application using ./app without going to app_location
[19:59] <mia> no I didn't do anything like that, I'm very beginner in all this, lets say "casual user"
[19:59] <mia> so I try not to mess up with anything
[19:59] <rbancroft> are there any tricks to get 17.10 3d acceleration as a vbox guest to work?
[20:00] <akik> xtron: just write the full path to the app
[20:00] <Jordan_U> xtron: Just provide the path to the executable, like "/home/xtron/myapp/foo/app" if you want to be able to run just "app" and have it run, you need to either move the executable to a directory listed in $PATH, or add the directory it's in to $PATH. What is your end goal though?
[20:01] <ducasse> cristian_c: try 'loginctl list-sessions', one line should list something under 'seat' - what's on that line under 'session'?
[20:01] <cristian_c> ducasse: oh, thanks
[20:02] <ducasse> cristian_c: then do 'loginctl show-session <velue-from-last-step> | grep ^Type'
[20:02] <orogor> anyone would know what would have broken sudo in 17.10 ?
[20:02] <xtron> akik: what will be the syntax like <./home/xtron/myapp>
[20:02] <cristian_c> ok
[20:02] <orogor> sudo just hangs after typing a good passwd
[20:02] <akik> xtron: read Jordan_U's message
[20:02] <Jordan_U> mia: The problem is that what you've done alone couldn't possibly have upgraded you, even partially, to Ubuntu 17.10.   . 
[20:03] <mia> Jordan_U, but seems like it did
[20:03] <mia> it took around 2 hours
[20:03] <mia> and I'm pretty sure I didn2T use any other commands
[20:03] <mia> (because I don't know anything else )
[20:03] <mia> if there is a way to check (and send you some sort of logs, etc) I can happily do it
[20:04] <Jordan_U> mia: What is the output of "lsb_release -d"?
[20:04] <mia> Ubuntu 17.10
[20:05] <Jordan_U> mia: I don't know what to tell you. That's simply not possible, so some part of the story is missing and I don't know what. Not knowing that, I don't know how to proceed.
[20:06] <mia> is there any way to learn what's missing*
[20:06] <ducasse> mia: you didn't click a button prompting the upgrade?
[20:06] <mia> Nope, I didn't
[20:06] <mia> sidenote: I also did dist-upgrade to my server through ssh and it's upgraded to 17.10 as well
[20:06] <mia> but since I don2t use graphical UI, I didn2t really care
[20:07] <mia> now I want gnome so I care
[20:07] <mia> ducasse ^
[20:07] <Jordan_U> mia: Still impossible. Only "sudo do-release-upgrade" would have done that (or manually messing with /etc/apt/sources.list).
[20:07] <mia> I have no idea about that command
[20:07] <mia> or no idea about that location
[20:08] <orogor> mia, logs are in /var/log/apt/term.log*
[20:08] <mia> I just did it nwow and it says "no new release found"
[20:08] <orogor> u can open .gz with zless
[20:08] <varaindemian> why is it arch so fucking well documented
[20:08] <ducasse> varaindemian: no swearing
[20:08] <orogor> they do copy pasta
[20:09] <Jordan_U> mia: On the assumption that whatever happened produced a sane system (which is *not* a safe assumption) you can just run "sudo apt install gnome-session" to get upstream gnome-shell defaults avaialble as a session at login.
[20:09] <varaindemian> ducasse, I was able to update the bios using geteltorito our package
[20:10] <Jordan_U> mia: Next time you want to upgrade to a new release of Ubuntu, follow the official upgrade procedure (which does *not* involve apt-get dist-upgrade).
[20:10] <varaindemian> I got answers here that I should update using Windows
[20:10] <mia> Jordan_U, without hacking anything in, is there any way to reinstall the whole ubuntu without losing data
[20:10] <varaindemian> so sad :(
[20:10] <mia> Jordan_U, I will!
[20:10] <orogor> well you can do dist-upgrade, it wont switch to a new release , that s all
[20:10] <Jordan_U> varaindemian: Multiple people told you that it would likely be possible via Ubuntu.
[20:11] <ducasse> varaindemian: no, you got told what your options likely were
[20:13] <Jordan_U> varaindemian: Looks like it wasn't multiple people but rather only one (ducasse), looking at the logs. I would have told you it was likely possible via Ubuntu had ducasse not already done so.
[20:14] <Scoop7> Hey         /usr/lib/python2.7 <-- If I give this dir a recursive owner of user, instead of root, so I can run some programs without sudo . That makes sense, or this dir should be owner by root ???
[20:15] <cristian_c> ducasse: weird
[20:15] <Jordan_U> Scoop7: NO. Do not change the permissions of any packaged binaries. That would make your system much less secure, and wouldn't get you any closer to running programs without sudo either.
[20:15] <Jordan_U> Scoop7: What is your end goal?
[20:17] <cristian_c> ducasse: 'command 'loginctl' not found. Maybe you mean: Command 'loginctl' from 'systemd' package (main). loginctl: command not found'
[20:17] <cristian_c> ducasse: on 17.10
[20:17] <Scoop7> I am running supervisor, and I get a error of a python file permission error if I try to lunch supervisor without sudo, So I thought that I maybe installed with sudo where it was not needed (did some bunch of commands with sudo(where it was not needed - and now fixing some things in my OS)
[20:18] <Jordan_U> Scoop7: How did you install supervisor?
[20:18] <ducasse> cristian_c: try '/bin/loginctl'
[20:18] <Scoop7> I don't remember
[20:18] <Scoop7> oh maybe i've installed python with sudo
[20:19] <cristian_c> ducasse: no such file or directory
[20:19] <cristian_c> *not exist
[20:20] <Jordan_U> Scoop7: You should only be installing things from the default repositories using apt, apt-get, or similar. That will always require using sudo, but that doesn't mean that those apps then can't be run by normal users. (Some apps however, by their nature, can't be run by normal users).
[20:20] <ducasse> cristian_c: ok, something is broken. try 'sudo apt install --reinstall systemd'
[20:20] <Jordan_U> Scoop7: What are you trying to use supervisor to accomplish? What is your end goal?
[20:21] <cristian_c> ok
[20:21] <Scoop7> Oh I don't think it's related, but just some laravel redis queues <-- everything works. I was just wondering if it was needed to access/start supervisor with sudo
[20:21] <cristian_c> ducasse: I say also: I've made a release upgrade
[20:21] <cristian_c> from 17.04
[20:23] <cristian_c> ducasse: systemd reinstalled
[20:24] <Jordan_U> Scoop7: To determine that we would need much more information about what you're trying to do than you've provided.
[20:24] <ducasse> cristian_c: try running loginctl now
[20:25] <Scoop7> I mean I don't have a real problem. I was just wondering about the standard workflow, but I got my answer - that sudo is perfectly normal here . Thanks Jordan_U
[20:25] <varaindemian> Jordan_U, I am sorry. Please let me know howI can update from ubuntu
[20:26] <varaindemian> ducasse, ^
[20:26] <ducasse> varaindemian: i mentioned a couple of options earlier
[20:28] <ducasse> varaindemian: but if you already updated, isn't the problem now solved?
[20:29] <cristian_c> ducasse: unfortunately , same reply
[20:29] <kostkon> cristian_c, you could do a   sudo apt-get clean   to make sure you the packages you are downloading are straight from the repos and not your cache
[20:29] <cristian_c> ok
[20:30] <varaindemian> ducasse, depends, some can be updated from inside the firmware menus, and some even from ubuntu"
[20:30] <cristian_c> kostkon: after clean, should I reinstall systemd?
[20:31] <cristian_c> *after apt-get clean
[20:31] <kostkon> cristian_c, give it another try
[20:31] <varaindemian> ducasse, I updated from the arch install that I have right now
[20:31] <varaindemian> ducasse, did you mention anything else?
[20:32] <oerheks> irc is awesome, one can readback
[20:32] <cristian_c> kostkon: unfrtunately, loginctl is still not detected
[20:32] <Sven_vB> I got bluetooth to work with xenial. however, each time I connect to my BT device, wifi seems to stop for a moment: I ping the BT computer from another one and the icmp_seq jumps by +8. a few seconds later I SIGINT ping and it reports some % packet loss. how to fix?
[20:33] <daniel331> hi all. i'm trying to troubleshoot a broken dist-update. i've booted into a 17.10 USB stick and chrooted into the laptop's encrypted filesystem. but apt-get update --fixing-missing cant find gb.archive.ubuntu.com. I cant ping from the chroot either. Did I do it wrong?
[20:34] <varaindemian> oerheks, I only see that he said that there are options inside ubuntu...
[20:34] <varaindemian> did I miss soemthing?
[20:34] <daniel331> (I mounted dev proc and sys into the laptop's root FS before I chrooted natch)
[20:35] <daniel331> another option would be if I take this oportunity to back up the user's files but I cant find them in their user directory because of ubuntu's crypt setup :-S *confused*
[20:35] <teward> daniel331: it sounds like networking isn't configured if you're getting a failure to find any given repository server domain.  (Especially if ping doesn't work)
[20:35] <varaindemian> ducasse, can you tell me the options inside ubuntu?
[20:35] <varaindemian> please
[20:36] <daniel331> networking's fine outside of the chroot tho
[20:36] <Squarism> so is the WPA2 hack possible to patch in 14.04 LTS? Have many drivers been fixed?
[20:36] <daniel331> and the weird thing is chrooted ping locks up the terminal!
[20:36] <kostkon> cristian_c, the cmd:  which loginctl   gives nothing?
[20:36] <teward> Squarism: it's not a driver level patch, it's a wpa_supplicant patch among others
[20:36] <Squarism> teward, so its bios?
[20:36] <ducasse> varaindemian: one of them is fwupd, which is a sort of common framework supported by some uefi firmwares
[20:36] <teward> Squarism: the second part is that it also affects access points and such, so it requires the other side of patching too
[20:36] <teward> Squarism: ... no?
[20:37] <ducasse> varaindemian: but again, you've already updated, right?
[20:37] <Squarism> Ok.. i dont know much about the technicalities - i just wanna fix the problem
[20:37] <teward> Squarism: there's no BIOS level or Driver-level involvement here, it's patched in a package which is the set of tools that make WPA communication possible - called `wpa_supplicant`
[20:37] <teward> Squarism: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[20:37] <dmmulroy> Hi guys, looking for some help with bluetooth.  I can't seem to detect a bluetooth speaker from ubuntu 17.10 on a Thinkpad Carbon X1 5th Gen.  I can see and successfully connect to my phone via bluetooth but not the speaker
[20:38] <cristian_c> kostkon: /bin/loginctl
[20:38] <Squarism> teward, thanks
[20:38] <varaindemian> ducasse, yes it is solved. and fwupd got mentioned only this time :)
[20:38] <teward> Squarism: just a standard update is what you need to do, but it only protects you if you're patched at both the access point *and* your computer/client
[20:38] <teward> Squarism: see https://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3455-1
[20:38] <Squarism> got it
[20:38] <teward> also refer to https://www.krackattacks.com/ for more on the vulnerability itself
[20:38] <ducasse> varaindemian: because the first time you only asked if you had to do it from windows
[20:39] <teward> Squarism: it's both wpa_supplicant and hostapd; but both have patched versions in the repos, so just do a standard update/upgrade.
[20:39] <teward> and that is all you need.
[20:39] <Squarism> thanks
[20:39] <teward> at least, to patch the computer side of things (access points are still vulnerable and that's the other half of the 'protection' thing that you can't really control)
[20:40] <cristian_c> kostkon: oddly, now it r
[20:40] <cristian_c> kostkon: oddly, now it works
[20:42] <cristian_c> ducasse: btw, I see: c2       the uid,         the user,       seat0
[20:42] <kostkon> cristian_c, good to hear. Have you done a   sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  since you upgraded to 17.10? do an apt-get clean again and then a apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:42] <cristian_c> instead, tty field is empty
[20:43] <kostkon> cristian_c, after you debug this probably
[20:43] <ducasse> cristian_c: 'loginctl show-session c2', look under Type
[20:44] <cristian_c> kostkon: after made release upgrade, update manager said system was updated
[20:44] <dax> teward: (access points are only vulnerable if they use 802.11r or roaming (or some other AP-is-client feature i'm not aware of), which is almost none of them)
[20:44] <kostkon> cristian_c, well you never know
[20:44] <kostkon> cristian_c, you may have some left overs
[20:45] <cristian_c> ok
[20:45] <dax> teward: s/roaming/repeater mode/
[20:45] <teward> dax: some of them may be, though, point is patching the endpoint machines is only half the security
[20:45] <dax> teward: "half" is what i take issue with, it's more like 99%
[20:45] <teward> dax: that being said a simple update to Ubuntu will help patch against the original KRACK problem.  It doesn't prohibit the clients from accessing a malicious access point though
[20:46] <cristian_c> system halted by mistake
[20:46] <teward> dax: fine, whatever, we can argue semantics later.  But we can't control the access points or routers, and if *any* of them are in such modes a user is still at risk.  Even if wpasupplicant is patched.
[20:46] <teward> that's why i said half.  Because you just *don't know* how some networks are set up, at least globally.
[20:46] <dax> teward: sure, and there are any number of more statistically likely exploits against APs
[20:46] <teward> you aren't wrong about 'almost none of them' but that only applies in the environments which we know of.
[20:47] <teward> dax: again, it's basically arguing over semantics.  We all have better things to do with our time :P
[20:47] <dax> well no, it's creating unnecessary worry for users
[20:47] <teward> ... like patch nginx for some HTTP/2 body corruption o.o
[20:47] <teward> dax: you forget i'm a paranoid security guy
[20:47] <teward> :P
[20:47] <dax> so am i. that mindset is often not appropriate in an end-user channel
[20:47] <dax> see, for example, the KRACK website:
[20:48] <dax> "Our main attack is against the 4-way handshake, and does not exploit access points, but instead targets clients. So it might be that your router does not require security updates. We strongly advise you to contact your vendor for more details. In general though, you can try to mitigate attacks against routers and access points by disabling client functionality (which is for example used in repeater modes)
[20:48] <dax> and disabling 802.11r (fast roaming). For ordinary home users, your priority should be updating clients such as laptops and smartphones."
[20:48] <cristian_c> ducasse:ok, x11
[20:48] <ducasse> cristian_c: then bingo, you're not in a wayland session
[20:49] <cristian_c> thanks
[20:49] <ducasse> cristian_c: np
[20:49] <cristian_c> so, a regression occurred from 17.04 about touch devices in xorg
[20:50] <cristian_c> *since
[20:50] <cristian_c> xorg.0.log gives a strange behaviour about detection
[20:51] <cristian_c> an user on askubuntu has desdribed the same issue (not answers)
[20:51] <cristian_c> *described
[20:51] <Bashing-om> cristian_c: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2374782 might be of interest to your case .
[20:51] <cristian_c> ok
[20:54] <varaindemian> ducasse, for fat32 file system I see that the options available are /dos and /windows. what should I choose if I want the mount point /boot. I am taking about the efi partition
[20:54] <Bashing-om> cristian_c: I have yet to determine with wayland that the Xorg file has any value .
[20:55] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: :O
[20:56] <ducasse> varaindemian: you don't want /boot, but /boot/efi
[20:56] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: ok, but loginctl tells wayland is not running, while x11 is
[20:57] <oerheks> lolz, logout, change, login
[20:58] <Bashing-om> cristian_c: Then in X11 i can accept that /etc/X11/xorg.conf is pertinent .
[20:58] <cristian_c> oerheks: I think just gnome supports wayland
[20:59] <varaindemian> ducasse, hmm here they say that I want /boot https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DiskSpace
[20:59] <oerheks> cristian_c, no, there are more options standard, 17.10
[20:59] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: I've crested xorg.conf because xbacklight didn't work
[21:00] <cristian_c> so, I've added intel-backlight string to xorg.conf, in order to tell xorg where to find stuff
[21:00] <ducasse> varaindemian: no, it doesn't.
[21:00] <ducasse> varaindemian: "EFI Partition - Mount point: /boot/efi"
[21:00] <alkisg> varaindemian: "Mount point: /boot/efi  (no need to set up this mount point as the installer will do it automatically) "
[21:00] <cristian_c> oerheks: unfortunately, I've not found that in lightdm
[21:00] <cristian_c> (gnome uses gdm, now)
[21:01] <Bashing-om> cristian_c: In the links from ^ there is a tutorial to create a stub .
[21:02] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: I'm afraid xorg.conf creation could have brought issues to xinput
[21:02] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: ok
[21:03] <cristian_c> I couldmtry to rename xorg.conf in order to see if proper input detection is restored
[21:03] <varaindemian> ducasse, boot flag?
[21:03] <varaindemian> It must be located at the start of a GPT disk, and have a "boot" flag.
[21:06] <varaindemian> are 25 gb enough for / ?
[21:06] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: the odd issue is that xorg.0.log detects the touch devive properly, after some lines it gets insane and cancel the previousnsetup, finally detefting the devive as mouse
[21:06] <cristian_c> so, giving missng scrolling property
[21:06] <cristian_c> *resulting in missing scrolling priperty
[21:07] <ducasse> varaindemian: "Root partition - Size: minimum is 8 GB. It is recommended to make it at least 15 GB."
[21:07] <Iberian> Hello everyone. Can grub2 boot both Mac Os and Ubuntu?
[21:07] <Iberian> I'm on a Macmini machine.
[21:07] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: scrolling works just in gedit, not other applications
[21:07] <Iberian> And trying to boot both operating systems with grub2
[21:08] <Bashing-om> cristian_c: I have observed that " device removed " I do not to this time understand what is taking place . I be in that learning mode .
[21:08] <cristian_c> I remember in 17.04 I could scrollling everywhere, also firefoc
[21:08] <cristian_c> *firefox
[21:08] <varaindemian> ducasse, also, regarding the mount point for EFI, the installer says that it won't use the partition unless I select a mount point...
[21:09] <ducasse> varaindemian: then just set it to /boot/efi
[21:09] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: if you look at xorg.0.log lines of another user. https://askubuntu.com/questions/943041/unable-to-calibrate-samsung-galaxy-book-touchscreen-with-xinput
[21:09] <EriC^^> iirc the installer only wants the type to be efi
[21:09] <EriC^^> varaindemian: ^
[21:09] <cristian_c> at a particular point, it says: 'ignoring device'
[21:10] <varaindemian> then the info telling the user that "no need to set up this mount point as the installer will do it automatically" is kinda missleading
[21:10] <varaindemian> I guess
[21:10] <heyres> selam
[21:10] <cristian_c> [ 10.994] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
[21:11] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: and it's totally insane because sime lines above the device is detected and configured properly
[21:11] <cristian_c> I've experienced the same type of issue
[21:11] <EriC^^> varaindemian: the installer needs an efi partition to be selected, but i remember it just taking the "type" as efi and not asking for a mountpoint
[21:12] <varaindemian> EriC^^, it asks for the mount point..
[21:12] <EriC^^> aha
[21:12] <varaindemian> EriC^^, and the type is FAT32
[21:12] <Bashing-om> cristian_c: yeah, exactly .. As said .. I do not understand what the logs are saying ..or what the source is . I do not have access to a 17.10 install to poke about .
[21:13] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: I understand. I talk just about xorg.0.log
[21:14] <varaindemian> EriC^^, is there a type called efi that miss?
[21:14] <EriC^^> varaindemian: in the "use as" field
[21:14] <cristian_c> before it adds the device properly, after some lines it cancel his decision and addamit again but as mouse
[21:15] <cristian_c> refuaing to accept the previous decision
[21:15] <EriC^^> varaindemian: this is how it used to be https://www.tecmint.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/EFI-System-Partition-Size.png
[21:15] <Bashing-om> cristian_c: Makes one wonder what udev is doing .
[21:15] <cristian_c> yeah
[21:15] <cristian_c> udev config lines are relevant
[21:15] <varaindemian> EriC^^, didn't see that type
[21:16] <cristian_c> (II) config/udev: Adding input device
[21:16] <EriC^^> maybe it's a 17.10 thing
[21:16] <varaindemian> EriC^^, you sure this would be the case for 17.10?
[21:16] <varaindemian> is 17.10 that buggy?
[21:16] <cristian_c> this lune occurs two times for the same input event
[21:16] <EriC^^> *shrug* maybe they're making it more free to choose the fs type and what not
[21:17] <cristian_c> the first time it says the proper device, the second time it says it's a mouse
[21:17] <cristian_c> making the wrong decision
[21:17] <Bashing-om> cristian_c: maybe open a bug and have the big boys explain ?
[21:17] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: that's the only thread I've found on internet about my same issue
[21:18] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: It could be an idea, I'm not sure btw, because usually bug reports are ignored by devs
[21:18] <cristian_c> (for my experience)
[21:19] <Bashing-om> cristian_c: Well, depends on IF enough info is provided to act on it .. garbage in is garbage out .
[21:20] <varaindemian> EriC^^, no EFI option
[21:20] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: yeah, but it's not automatic, reports are usually ignored also when they are full of detailed infornation
[21:20] <varaindemian> EriC^^, does that mean I do not have efi enabled in bios?
[21:20] <ducasse> varaindemian: no, it does not mean that
[21:21] <EriC^^> varaindemian: possibly, can you open a terminal and run "ls /sys/firmware/efi" ?
[21:21] <varaindemian> I am on 17.10
[21:21] <varaindemian> I only have ubuntu now
[21:21] <varaindemian> i am in the installer
[21:22] <EriC^^> varaindemian: press ctrl+alt+f1 , login with ubuntu and an empty password and type it
[21:22] <ratatata> trying to create an install usb (32gb drive formatted as ext4) with startup disk creator on ubuntu but i can't boot it
[21:23] <EriC^^> ratatata: try using "dd"
[21:23] <varaindemian> in bios I had UEFI/Legacy boot - both...
[21:23] <EriC^^> ratatata: sudo dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M && sync
[21:23] <varaindemian> maybe that was the case
[21:23] <EriC^^> replace /dev/sdX with your usb device
[21:24] <EriC^^> (not device not partition e.g. /dev/sdxY)
[21:24] <EriC^^> *note device
[21:24] <EriC^^> varaindemian: do you remember when the live usb booted if you got a white and black grub menu or a menu in the middle with a bunch of options?
[21:25] <varaindemian> grub v2
[21:25] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: I'll try a 17.04 live session, in order to confirm my suspects
[21:25] <ratatata> now when i open gparted i get a Libparted warning: The driver descriptor says the physical block size is 2048 bytes, but Linux says it is 512 bytes.
[21:25] <EriC^^> varaindemian: then it booted in uefi mode
[21:25] <ratatata> so somethings fucky with that usb
[21:25] <cristian_c> I mean: the fact 17.10 x server has broken things
[21:25] <EriC^^> ratatata: that's not a problem, that's just cause the blocksize used to transfer the data was different, nothing's wrong with the usb
[21:26] <kostkon> ratatata, dd is a safe bet but if you are looking for a better image writer gui app, check these out:  rufus and etcher (and unetbotin)
[21:26] <ratatata> i ran the dd thing, now what
[21:26] <kostkon> unetbootin*
[21:27] <varaindemian> EriC^^, eri partition size?
[21:27] <varaindemian> efi*
[21:27] <EriC^^> ratatata: once it returns the prompt back you can try the usb out
[21:27] <ratatata> its not returning for a while now
[21:27] <kostkon> ratatata, it might take some time to finish
[21:28] <ratatata> 381+1 records in
[21:28] <ratatata> 381+1 records out
[21:28] <ratatata> 1599602688 bytes (1,6 GB, 1,5 GiB) copied, 4,10268 s, 390 MB/s
[21:28] <ratatata> ah nvm its done
[21:28] <ratatata> alright thanks ima give this a shot again
[21:30] <varaindemian> size of efi partition?>
[21:35] <Mia> Hey all
[21:35] <varaindemian> size of efi partition?>
[21:35] <Mia> I tried to install ubuntu to another hdd than my windows, but looks like my windows bootloader is replaced
[21:35] <EriC^^> varaindemian: 300mb is good
[21:35] <Mia> I assumed ubuntu to install its boot manager to the second hdd instead opf the primary
[21:35] <ducasse> !patience | varaindemian
[21:36] <Mia> I do not wish to use ubuntu boot manager when I start my device, instead I want to pick ubuntu hdd when I need to start ubuntu
[21:36] <EriC^^> Mia: how did you let ubuntu installer the bootloader to the disk?
[21:37] <kostkon> Mia, so to clarify that: you want to use the windows bootloader and not grub?
[21:37] <Mia> EriC^^, I have no idea, ubuntu was already installed on another drive with its bootloader
[21:37] <Mia> I wanted to reinstall 17.10 s some component were broken, and when I ran the usb installer it gave me the option to "reinstall 17.10" and I picked that
[21:38] <EriC^^> Mia: aha
[21:38] <Mia> now 17.10 is installed but its bootloader is installed in my primary drive, that also replaced windows bootloader (now windos is just an option)
[21:38] <EriC^^> Mia: are you in ubuntu right now?
[21:38] <Mia> I wanted to have th primary hdd as is
[21:38] <Mia> nope, I'm in windows
[21:38] <Mia> (just needed to check if everything here is alright, had a small panic attack, lol)
[21:38] <EriC^^> Mia: boot into ubuntu and come back here
[21:39] <Mia> okay, will do so in a second!
[21:39] <EriC^^> yeah
[21:39] <Mia> see you
[21:39] <EriC^^> ok
[21:39] <Supreme-> hi, can someone help me convert a mbr drive to gpt without data loss on ubuntu?
[21:41] <ducasse> Supreme-: step one, create a backup
[21:54] <mia__> EriC^^: back
[21:54] <EriC^^> mia__: wb
[21:55] <mia__> on mobile atm, reinstalling Ubuntu, for some reason it didn't start
[21:55] <mia__> also I've realized I have two Ubuntu bootloader's on the BIOS disk select menu for the same hard drive
[21:55] <EriC^^> aha
[21:56] <mia__> how is that even possible? I see HDD name (as usual, it was going directly into windows) and I see two Ubuntu named entries, both seem to point to the primary hard drive, but Ubuntu is supposed to be installed in another hdd
[21:57] <mia__> Windows logs in fine, but Ubuntu is not. and now the USB installer didn't give me the option to "reinstall"
[21:58] <EriC^^> mia__: maybe it's uefi
[21:58] <EriC^^> once the installer is done, let me know, be sure not to overwrite the windows installation by mistake, i'd use the manual partitioning if you haven't started it already
[21:58] <mia__> so I be picked the mount points manually now, fro. the cp4rect hard drive, without formatting anything, so hopefully it will install fine and I will need your guidance to figure out what went wrong with the primary hdd
[21:58] <EriC^^> mia__: good job, ok
[21:58] <mia__> thank ypu
[21:59] <mia__> just a few more minutes remainşng hopefully
[22:06] <Blueking> how to check what are running before clean/remove stuff in /boot ?
[22:06] <varaindemian> how can I access the logs for this server?
[22:07] <EriC^^> Blueking: uname -r
[22:07] <EriC^^> !irclogs | varaindemian
[22:10] <mia> EriC^^, back
[22:10] <Mia_> ok this is better
[22:10] <Mia_> Now I'm in ubuntu
[22:11] <ObrienDave> \o/
[22:11] <EriC^^> Mia_: great
[22:12] <varaindemian> thank you
[22:12] <EriC^^> Mia_: open a terminal, type "sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999" and paste the link it gives you here
[22:12] <Mia_> what's the next step now
[22:12] <mattfly> what should i install to have libboost_system.so.1.58.0
[22:12] <mattfly> ?
[22:12] <EriC^^> !find libboost_system.so.1.58.0
[22:13] <Mia_> http://termbin.com/ykuvu EriC^^
[22:14] <mattfly> no results
[22:16] <EriC^^> Mia_: some of the installs are in uefi mode and some in legacy mode
[22:16] <EriC^^> Mia_: windows is on the 500gb ssd?
[22:16] <EriC^^> the rest are just data drives?
[22:17] <Mia_> EriC^^, yes, primary windows is there
[22:17] <Mia_> however there is also a windows 7 installation on the ubuntu hdd
[22:17] <Mia_> (which was accessible through the ubuntu grub (?) menu before)
[22:18] <ObrienDave> sudo update-grub
[22:19] <varaindemian> should I do something special for an ssd on ubuntu?
[22:19] <varaindemian> is trim enabled and all that?
[22:21] <EriC^> Mia_: i got dc
[22:21] <MortyTS> uh if i have radeon hd7870, should i get a proprietary driver?
 EriC^^, yes, primary windows is there
 however there is also a windows 7 installation on the ubuntu hdd
 (which was accessible through the ubuntu grub (?) menu before)
[22:22] <Mia_> last things I've posted ^^
[22:22] <ObrienDave> sudo update-grub
[22:23] <Mia_> pbriendave but then should I be able to get the default windows menu back
[22:23] <Mia_> I don't want the ubuntu grub to exist in the ssd
[22:23] <Mia_> ObrienDave, ^^
[22:23] <EriC^> Mia_: i see, so you want to boot windows when you switch to uefi mode, and when you switch to legacy mode you want to boot ubuntu?
[22:24] <ObrienDave> way too confusing for me LOL
[22:25] <Mia_> EriC^, when I turn on the pc, I want it to autoboot into the primary hard drive. If it's windows HD (SSD) then windows will boot as the boot manager is default windows boot manager. If I change the primary hard drive to ubuntu HDD (through bios settings, or pressing F8 to select primary boot drive temporarily) then ubuntu grub should start on that HD, which has windows 7 and ubuntu installation
[22:25] <Mia_> Not sure if all that ^ makes sense
[22:25] <EriC^> Mia_: right now what you can have is that when you switch to uefi mode you get windows on the 500gb ssd, and when you switch to legacy mode you can get grub and there choose ubuntu or windows 7
[22:25] <Mia_> I don2t wish to switch modes, I want it to work as it did before to be honest
[22:26] <Mia_> Where I only pick the primary HD and the drive would handle the rest
[22:30] <oerheks> 2 windows versions.. how would that have worked *before*, uefi and legacy?
[22:30] <EriC^> ubuntu is now in the mbr of the disk, so the windows bootloader is gone, also ubuntu needs an mbr to put grub since windows can't boot it, so you can't boot ubuntu unless you put it in some mbr, and if you want the windows 7 bootloader then you'd have to put ubuntu's grub in one of the data disks mbr, and then it wouldn't be a standalone install, you'd always need the data disk to be able to boot ubuntu
[22:31] <Mia_> oerheks, I would select which HD to start, that's all
[22:31] <Mia_> I don't want the windows 7 bootloader, I can pick it through the ubuntu disk
[22:31] <Mia_> ubuntu bootloader*
[22:31] <Mia_> But the SSD has windows 10 installed, which I don't want the ubuntu bootloader there
[22:32] <Mia_> because ubuntu is not even installed in the same hd
[22:32] <Mia_> Normally, this HD that has ubuntu installed (and windows 7) is not belonging to this machine I'm using
[22:32] <Mia_> so I will remove it when I'm done with it
[22:32] <EriC^> Mia_: i guess that's possible depending on if your bios knows what to do
[22:32] <EriC^> Mia_: right now when you select the windows ssd what happens?
[22:32] <Mia_> and the SSD that has windows 10 will still have ubuntu grub there, which is pointlss
[22:32] <oerheks> not sure grub supports uefi and legacy boot, in the same menu, i guess not
[22:33] <Mia_> EriC^, right now ifI select the ssd (windows 10 only) it gives me ubuntu grub menu
[22:33] <Mia_> there is windows there, and there is ubuntu (that's located on another hd)
[22:33] <Mia_> so simply ssd should have nothing to do with the ubuntu
[22:34] <Mia_> oerheks, I want to get rid of the grub alltogether
[22:34] <Mia_> in my windows HD it's not necessary
[22:34] <Mia_> ubuntu is installed on a separate physical hd anyway, and I can select it as the primary HD to get into it
[22:34] <Mia_> (through bios)
[22:35] <EriC^> Mia_: it shouldn't be there, try "sudo mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt && ls -lR /mnt | nc termbin.com 9999"
[22:36] <EriC^> Mia_: windows 7 is there?
[22:36] <Mia_> This is what ı get (no link this time) "mount: /mnt: /dev/sdb2 already mounted on /boot/efi."
[22:37] <Mia_> windows 7 is installed on the same hd as ubuntu, that's not vital at this point
[22:37] <Mia_> what's vital to me is that windows 10 hd has ubuntu menu. ubuntu is not even installed on that hd (ssd)
[22:37] <Mia_> I want windows 10 ssd to be standalone as before
[22:37] <EriC^> Mia_: in grub, do you get windows 7?
[22:37] <Mia_> just, purely, windows. no grub, no ubuntu boot menu, nothing related to ubuntu, shortly.
[22:38] <Mia_> No I don't, atm, but that's okay at this point
[22:38] <Mia_> that's the second thing to fix
[22:40] <Mia_> http://termbin.com/3m9y EriC^  (sudo was missing in your command I guess)
[22:41] <maheshpec> hi everyone.. i just upgraded to artful from zesty. I had auto login set in zesty. Now, when i boot my system, i'm dropped into unity. How do I make gnome the default?
[22:41] <EriC^> Mia_: ubuntu somehow found its way into the efi partition, i guess it was installed in uefi mode earlier?
[22:41] <EriC^> Mia_: try "ls /sys/firmware/efi"
[22:42] <Mia_> ls: cannot access '/sys/firmware/efi': No such file or directory
[22:42] <Mia_> ' EriC^
[22:42] <EriC^> Mia_: anyways just to be clear, windows isn't affect at all so no worries
[22:43] <Mia_> yes, but still, why/how is it there
[22:43] <Mia_> plus, when I open the bios disk select menu I see two <ubuntu< entries
[22:43] <Mia_> there were none before, there were only physical HD's listed
[22:43] <Mia_> if I wanted the ubuntu grub menu, I would pick the ubuntu HD (2 TB one)
[22:43] <Mia_> If I wanted windows I would pick the SSD
[22:44] <ObrienDave> maheshpec, try the gear icon at the login screen, upper right corner
[22:44] <EriC^> Mia_: it must have been booted in uefi mode earlier, and it saw the efi partition and installed itself there and added its entry to the uefi list
[22:45] <maheshpec> I was able to get to gnome after logout but unity came up by default
[22:45] <Mia_> Hmm, maybe, I've tried to update (and failed) my ubuntu to the latest version
[22:45] <Mia_> thats where I messed things up I believe
[22:45] <Mia_> Anyway, how can I fix this at this point ?
[22:46] <EriC^> Mia_: boot the live usb in uefi mode and click on try ubuntu, then come back here and we'll get you sorted out ;)
[22:46] <EriC^> Mia_: wait 1 sec
[22:46] <EriC^> Mia_: type "cat /etc/fstab | nc termbin.com 9999"
[22:46] <EriC^> i think ubuntu has the efi partition there, which isn't needed
[22:46] <EriC^> Mia_: also type "dpkg -l | grep grub | nc termbin.com 9999" to make sure of something
[22:46] <Mia_> http://termbin.com/7hnm first one
[22:47] <Mia_> http://termbin.com/4qony second one
[22:47] <Mia_> cc EriC^
[22:57] <EriC^^> dc again
[22:59] <EriC^^> i got dc
[22:59] <EriC^^> Mia: still there?
[23:03] <mia__> 6es here
[23:03] <mia__> eric^^
[23:06] <EriC^^> mia__: did you run the sed and apt-get commands?
[23:07] <mia__> > http://termbin.com/4qony second one
[23:07] <mia__> http://termbin.com/7hnm first one
[23:08] <mia__> sorry now I switched from mobile again, İ can try whatever you suggest, trying to repair windows default bootloader's from within windows atm
[23:08] <mia__> eric^^
[23:13] <mia__> EriC^^ you there?
[23:19] <daniel> HOLA
[23:21] <Guest46367> ALGUIEN PARA CHARLAR
[23:21] <Guest46367> SOY DE URUGUAY
[23:21] <krytarik> !alis | Guest46367
[23:22] <krytarik> I.e. not here.
[23:23] <kostkon> !uy
[23:23] <kostkon> nope
[23:23] <kostkon> !es | Guest46367
[23:29] <EriC^^> Mia: i got dc, did windows boot fine?
[23:31] <mia__> eric^^ windows boots fine
[23:31] <mia__> but there I see Ubuntu option in bios disk select
[23:32] <mia__> that's what I am trying to remove
[23:34] <Mia> EriC^^, going through this thread atm
[23:34] <Mia> https://askubuntu.com/questions/429610/uninstall-grub-and-use-windows-bootloader
[23:37] <EriC^^> Mia: that guide is for mbr not uefi
[23:38] <Mia> there are some efi related answers below
[23:38] <Mia> the top answeres are not related I know
[23:39] <EriC^^> Mia: as you wish
[23:40] <Mia> EriC^^, if you have an option to fix this windows ssd I would prefer to follow your guidance instead
[23:40] <EriC^^> Mia: ok, cool
[23:40] <EriC^^> Mia: boot the live ubuntu usb in uefi mode
[23:40] <Mia> okay
[23:41] <EriC^^> open a terminal and type "sudo efibootmgr -v | nc termbin.com 9999"
[23:41] <Mia> can I do this with the regular ubuntu installation where I have my irc and such
[23:41] <Mia> othrwise I'm stuck with the mobile irc
[23:41] <EriC^^> Mia: nope, we need it to be in uefi mode to access the uefi list
[23:42] <Mia> okay, doing so now .
[23:43] <mia__> loading live USB now
[23:43] <mia__> in "try Ubuntu" mode cc eric^^
[23:43] <mia__> I am in
[23:47] <EriC^^> mia__: ok, once it boots, you can access freenode from webchat.freenode.net
[23:47] <EriC^^> (in a browser)
[23:47] <EriC^^> mia__: type "sudo efibootmgr -v | nc termbin.com 9999"
[23:47] <aa2> Hi, just a quick question. I can't figure out how to install programs that I have installed. For example I have the file firefox but I don't know how to install that file so it becomes a program.
[23:48] <mia_temp> EriC^^: ok here
[23:48] <mia_temp> via browser
[23:48] <EriC^^> aa2: why are you not installing firefox from the repos?
[23:48] <EriC^^> mia_temp: great, run "sudo efibootmgr -v | nc termbin.com 9999"
[23:48] <aa2> Firefox is just an example I have a bunch of programs like that
[23:48] <EriC^^> aa2: what extension do they have?
[23:49] <aa2> .gz, .deb
[23:49] <mia_temp> http://termbin.com/kd9z EriC^^
[23:50] <EriC^^> aa2: for the .deb you do sudo dpkg -i /path/to/deb , for the .gz you need to do tar xzvf /path/to/tar.gz and follow the instructions in the README
[23:50] <EriC^^> aa2: you'll probably find a lot of them are already in the repos though
[23:51] <kostkon> aa2, which programs, gives us an example
[23:51] <EriC^^> !checkinstall | aa2 might take a look at this too for the tar.gz ones
[23:51] <kostkon> aa2, do you know how to install apps in ubuntu, i.e. use the software store which should be able to cover the majority of your needs
[23:51] <EriC^^> mia_temp: type "sudo efibootmgr -B -b 0002"
[23:51] <mia_temp> EriC^^: there, the two entries for ubuntu
[23:52] <EriC^^> mia_temp: also, sudo efibootmgr -B -b 0003
[23:52] <kostkon> aa2, besides firefox which comes with ubuntu, unless you are using some other flavour
[23:52] <mia_temp> did both EriC^^
[23:53] <EriC^^> mia_temp: ok, type "sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999"
[23:53] <aa2> I'm trying to install sophos-av
[23:53] <mia_temp> "Warning: The driver descriptor says the physical block size is 2048 bytes, but Linux says it is 512 bytes."
[23:53] <mia_temp> http://termbin.com/m7bw EriC^^
[23:54] <EriC^^> mia_temp: type "sudo parted -ls |& nc termbin.com"
[23:54] <EriC^^> !info sophos-av
[23:54] <kostkon> !find sophos
[23:55] <mia_temp> http://termbin.com/zvxd EriC^^
[23:57] <EriC^^> mia_temp: type "sudo mount /dev/sdc2 /mnt"
[23:58] <mia_temp> did
[23:58] <aa2> Also when using Unbuntu Software when I try to install something is starts the download and then stops
[23:58] <EriC^^> mia_temp: ls -lR /mnt | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:58] <MortyTS> uh after updating plasma through backports my system doesnt boot anymore, i see the kubuntu splash screen but then it goes to black with a blinking _
[23:58] <ulises> hola
[23:58] <ulises> hi
[23:59] <mia_temp> http://termbin.com/osga EriC^^
[23:59] <ulises> es la primera vez que uso esta herramienta
[23:59] <ulises> para que sirve?