| lotuspsychje | good morning to all | 03:26 |
|---|---|---|
| lotuspsychje | how was the night Bashing-om | 03:30 |
| Bashing-om | lotuspsychje: Started off frightful at the end of ducasse's shift - now quiet . just a couple of wayland issues outstanding . | 03:32 |
| lotuspsychje | Bashing-om: tnx for the headsup, good we have the xorg session as backup | 03:32 |
| Bashing-om | lotuspsychje: Yes, But wayland should work , Xorg for the times that some apps are not ported to wayland . | 03:35 |
| lotuspsychje | aha | 03:36 |
| lotuspsychje | unless on nvidia? | 03:36 |
| Bashing-om | lotuspsychje: Have not seen nearly as many nvidia/wayland issues as I had anticipated :) | 03:37 |
| lotuspsychje | good news then? | 03:38 |
| Bashing-om | well,, I still think optimus will not work as is . | 03:40 |
| lotuspsychje | ok | 03:42 |
| Bashing-om | Seems likely " Nvidia doesn't support VDPAU on Wayland. If you need video acceleration -> Xorg " | 03:50 |
| lotuspsychje | ah so the basics work | 03:53 |
| lotuspsychje | thats gonna b waiting for the vdpau support then | 03:54 |
| Bashing-om | lotuspsychje: :) Got 9 months to work out the kinks . | 03:55 |
| lotuspsychje | yess | 03:55 |
| lotuspsychje | hey luxio | 04:13 |
| luxio | hi | 04:13 |
| lotuspsychje | so you tried artful? | 04:13 |
| luxio | artful? | 04:14 |
| lotuspsychje | 17.10 | 04:16 |
| lotuspsychje | luxio: can we know wich graphics card you have? | 04:17 |
| luxio | lotuspsychje: NVIDIA GTX 750Ti | 04:18 |
| luxio | yes I'm running 17.10 | 04:18 |
| lotuspsychje | wow | 04:19 |
| lotuspsychje | luxio: did you test gaming on it? | 04:19 |
| luxio | well I'm playing Minesweeper right now LOL | 04:19 |
| luxio | nothing graphically intensive though | 04:19 |
| lotuspsychje | right | 04:20 |
| lotuspsychje | luxio: no graphic glitches on wayland? | 04:20 |
| luxio | anything in specific I should try out? | 04:20 |
| luxio | and no | 04:20 |
| lotuspsychje | luxio: sure a more graphic game | 04:24 |
| luxio | any game in specific? not sure what to try | 04:31 |
| lotuspsychje | any shooter in software center | 04:32 |
| lotuspsychje | luxio: can you try vdpauinfo dfrom a terminal also? | 04:32 |
| luxio | lotuspsychje: https://i.imgur.com/am6uXA5.png | 04:34 |
| lotuspsychje | luxio: ok tnx mate | 04:35 |
| lotuspsychje | luxio: what does show behind driver= when you sudo lshw -C video? | 04:35 |
| lotuspsychje | dont need the screenshot, just the driver= loaded | 04:36 |
| luxio | There's no line that says driver= | 04:37 |
| luxio | https://paste.ubuntu.com/25791115/ | 04:37 |
| luxio | oh, nouveau | 04:37 |
| lotuspsychje | driver=nouveau | 04:38 |
| lotuspsychje | yep | 04:38 |
| lotuspsychje | tnx for feedback luxio | 04:38 |
| luxio | np | 04:38 |
| luxio | lotuspsychje: as for games, OpenArena crashes when I start a match | 04:39 |
| lotuspsychje | aha | 04:39 |
| lotuspsychje | luxio: perhaps try that from a terminal to catch errors? | 04:39 |
| luxio | lotuspsychje: already done. https://paste.ubuntu.com/25791129/ | 04:40 |
| luxio | segfault | 04:40 |
| luxio | full logs: https://paste.ubuntu.com/25791136/ | 04:42 |
| lotuspsychje | tnx | 04:44 |
| lotuspsychje | luxio: might check another game as a test also | 04:44 |
| luxio | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ioquake3/+filebug/b2b57b98-b6e3-11e7-8007-68b5996a96c8/+login?field.title=ioquake3+crashed+with+SIGSEGV | 04:45 |
| luxio | ^ That link came up when it asked me to send a crash report | 04:45 |
| lotuspsychje | luxio: paste the bug # number plz? | 04:46 |
| luxio | not sure how to get it | 04:47 |
| luxio | tried another game, here are logs: https://paste.ubuntu.com/25791156/ | 04:48 |
| lotuspsychje | luxio: after you get in that bug launchpad it will create a bug number in link | 04:49 |
| luxio | I can't get the bug report to open again | 04:51 |
| lotuspsychje | hmm weird | 04:58 |
| lotuspsychje | cant find new bugs on ioquake3 neither | 04:58 |
| lotuspsychje | luxio: how about you try some 1080p trailers or mkv samples, to see quality? | 05:02 |
| luxio | Streamed, or downloaded M | 05:02 |
| luxio | ? | 05:02 |
| lotuspsychje | can choose | 05:02 |
| lotuspsychje | just to see how it would perform on wayland & your card | 05:03 |
| luxio | lotuspsychje: HD video playbacks works fine | 05:09 |
| lotuspsychje | great! | 05:11 |
| lotuspsychje | luxio: now another test, try that game from the xorg session? | 05:11 |
| luxio | how do I go to an xorg session? | 05:12 |
| lotuspsychje | luxio: logout, and click the gear icon to choose xorg | 05:16 |
| lotuspsychje | set back to wayland if you wanna go back again | 05:16 |
| luxio | lotuspsychje: Things are a lot faster in xorg | 05:18 |
| luxio | lotuspsychje: It also crashes on xorg | 05:19 |
| lotuspsychje | hmmm | 05:19 |
| lotuspsychje | might be not wyland related then | 05:20 |
| lotuspsychje | hi bordy | 05:36 |
| bordy | evenin | 05:44 |
| lotuspsychje | morning ducasse :p | 06:28 |
| lotuspsychje | morning sirru5h | 06:32 |
| sirru5h | Hey there lotuspsychje how are you doing | 06:33 |
| sirru5h | It's 2333 here still night time | 06:33 |
| lotuspsychje | ohh | 06:34 |
| lotuspsychje | late night visit? | 06:34 |
| sirru5h | Well I I work nights most of the time as not to interfere with a clients customers/employees | 06:35 |
| sirru5h | So night time usually is a good time | 06:35 |
| sirru5h | I'm guessing that you are from asia perhaps maybe Australia? | 06:36 |
| sirru5h | ooks like ubuntu 17.10 has been released | 06:39 |
| sirru5h | I may just upgrade right now how is it? stable? | 06:40 |
| sirru5h | Tell ya what wish me luck I'm gonna upgrade brb | 06:41 |
| lotuspsychje | :p | 06:41 |
| sirru5h | Howdy everyone | 08:18 |
| Thunder_Tw | Ahh! Gaming on Ubuntu and Linux in general is so much better than i could've hoped for 5 years ago <3 | 11:25 |
| BluesKaj | Howdy folks | 12:09 |
| lotuspsychje | good evening to all | 16:08 |
| lotuspsychje | luxio: did you get any wiser on your bug? | 16:09 |
| luxio | Not yet, I pretty much went to sleep after that and just woke up | 16:09 |
| lotuspsychje | oh cool, good morning :p | 16:10 |
| ducasse | hi lotuspsychje \o | 16:10 |
| lotuspsychje | luxio: at least your system works with nvidia & wayland | 16:10 |
| lotuspsychje | hey ducasse had a nice mate? | 16:11 |
| lotuspsychje | hi immu | 16:11 |
| immu | hi lotuspsychje | 16:12 |
| immu | i think i am in | 16:12 |
| lotuspsychje | immu: your on artful? | 16:12 |
| lotuspsychje | evening TJ- | 16:12 |
| immu | no Solus | 16:12 |
| immu | why? what happ | 16:12 |
| lotuspsychje | just curious | 16:12 |
| immu | ok | 16:12 |
| TJ- | G'evening | 16:14 |
| immu | lotuspsychje, you? | 16:14 |
| lotuspsychje | immu: xenial & artful | 16:15 |
| immu | 17.04 & 17.10 | 16:15 |
| lotuspsychje | TJ-: luxio here tested artful on nvidia both xorg & wayland working on it | 16:18 |
| TJ- | lotuspsychje: not for very much longer :) well, at least once we move to kernel v4.14 anyhow | 16:19 |
| lotuspsychje | TJ-: what will happen then? | 16:19 |
| TJ- | the proprietary driver will no longer build. | 16:20 |
| lotuspsychje | ouch | 16:20 |
| immu | who is TJ- did we meet earlier? | 16:20 |
| lotuspsychje | tj is the legend | 16:20 |
| immu | never met him or saw him here lotuspsychje tj | 16:21 |
| TJ- | AMD introduced Secure Memory Encryption API in this 4.14 cycle, and it's enabled by default (to support AMD devices that use it). It adds a GPL-only kernel symbol sme_me_mask. This is part of the kernel's core memory-management sub-system. It caused a failure to build any non-GPL modules - e.g. nvidia. I reported it at the rc2 stage. now at the rc5 stage and the kernel sub-system maintainer decided | 16:22 |
| TJ- | the GPL symbol will remain. | 16:22 |
| immu | 4.14 hmmm | 16:23 |
| TJ- | That means, if we're using genericly built kernels that support both AMD and Intel CPUs this has to be enabled, which means non-GPL modules cannot be linked in. The memory-management sub-system is so core to everything I cannot see a way it can be worked around. | 16:23 |
| immu | aah 4.14 :) | 16:23 |
| TJ- | I doubt anything serious will be done about this (by nvidia) until after 4.14 is released and lots of users start to be affected | 16:23 |
| immu | i was thinking on 4.4 line | 16:24 |
| lotuspsychje | TJ-: so good we still have xorg as backup? | 16:24 |
| TJ- | when this GPL-symbol issue has hit previously there's been some change and it's been fixable, but for this one I don't see how it'll be possible when SME is enabled | 16:24 |
| TJ- | lotuspsychje: nothing to do with Xorg - this means the nvidia kernel driver cannot be built/linked in | 16:25 |
| TJ- | nouveau will be fine obviously | 16:25 |
| lotuspsychje | TJ-: kk | 16:25 |
| lotuspsychje | its a kernel thing then | 16:25 |
| immu | brb | 16:25 |
| TJ- | I think some other out-of-tree non-GPL modules will be affected too. I can't think of any module that doesn't need to use the memory-management sub-system | 16:25 |
| lotuspsychje | evening sirru5h | 16:26 |
| sirru5h | lotuspsychje, I got 17.10 installed | 16:27 |
| lotuspsychje | artful succes? | 16:27 |
| sirru5h | Yeah I had an odd issue with trying to run a gui program from terminal | 16:27 |
| lotuspsychje | didnt they block that by default? | 16:27 |
| sirru5h | I would get Protocol not Specified | 16:27 |
| lotuspsychje | think i saw oerheks mention that | 16:28 |
| sirru5h | mm not sure I did a little work around | 16:28 |
| lotuspsychje | sneaky lol | 16:28 |
| ducasse | sirru5h: won't work under wayland | 16:28 |
| lotuspsychje | sirru5h: wich graphics card your on, just for feedback? | 16:28 |
| sirru5h | good question let me check | 16:29 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 16:29 |
| * lotuspsychje crosses fingers its not atari | 16:29 | |
| lotuspsychje | evening kostkon | 16:29 |
| kostkon | lotuspsychje, hey | 16:31 |
| TJ- | Here's the mailing-list discussion about the GPL symbol: https://marc.info/?t=150681105200001&r=1&w=2 | 16:31 |
| lotuspsychje | lets c | 16:31 |
| lotuspsychje | immu: https://www.deviantart.com/customization/screenshots/nix/newest/?q=solus not bad | 16:35 |
| sirru5h | lotuspsychje, product: Richland [Radeon HD 8550G] | 16:36 |
| sirru5h | and ducasse my work around does work for wayland btw ;) | 16:36 |
| lotuspsychje | sirru5h: no graphic glitches on wayland? | 16:36 |
| lotuspsychje | im having issues on my older ati X800 | 16:37 |
| lotuspsychje | lagging overall launching apps, mouse lags | 16:37 |
| sirru5h | mmm nothing too crazy but yes laggy very laggy | 16:37 |
| lotuspsychje | xorg performing better for that machine | 16:37 |
| lotuspsychje | hmmm | 16:37 |
| lotuspsychje | sirru5h: what cpu/ram? | 16:37 |
| ducasse | sirru5h: sorry, i misread what you wrote. just ignore me, i'm not really focusing :) | 16:38 |
| lotuspsychje | dax: alive mate? | 16:38 |
| sirru5h | it used to take about 6/7 seconds in unity on 17.04 now it's like 12 seconds from when I hit grub to login | 16:38 |
| lotuspsychje | sirru5h: how about the gnome desktop itself lag? | 16:39 |
| sirru5h | 8gb DDR3 product: AMD A8-5550M APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics | 16:39 |
| lotuspsychje | wow | 16:39 |
| sirru5h | mmm it really isn't too bad and it's not new or anything | 16:40 |
| sirru5h | I got a bit nervous to be honest on that first boot when I saw that it was taking nearly 2x the normal amount on boot | 16:41 |
| lotuspsychje | ouch | 16:42 |
| sirru5h | I was just expecting kernel panic at any moment and perhaps my dog might nuke this machine as well | 16:42 |
| sirru5h | lotuspsychje, on my netbook a 1.3 ghz celeron (no internal hd (external only)) it takes maybe 20 seconds | 16:45 |
| lotuspsychje | dog lol | 16:47 |
| lotuspsychje | !xubuntu | 16:47 |
| ubot5 | Xubuntu is Ubuntu with !Xfce as the desktop environment. More info at http://xubuntu.org/ - To install the Xubuntu environment from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop^ » - Join #xubuntu for support - See also: !xubuntu-channels | 16:47 |
| sirru5h | lotuspsychje, I had my dog who is a bit skittish jump onto the coffee table while I was trying to fix a VMware issue next thing I know coffee table to couch juice on the computer | 16:51 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 16:52 |
| sirru5h | lotuspsychje, I actually am using mate on that netbook now | 16:52 |
| immu | ubuntu mate is also good | 16:52 |
| sirru5h | I actually had left ubuntu for a few years used zenwalk | 16:54 |
| immu | i never resolved my self after unity was killed | 16:54 |
| sirru5h | Well I used ubuntu back in like 2003/2004 | 16:58 |
| sirru5h | And I switched to zenwalk in about 2008/2009 and came back to ubuntu less than a year ago but I saw other distro's become much more easy and friendly for users to use and ubuntu did that | 17:00 |
| lotuspsychje | oerheks: the flavors url's have http and redirect to https, think ops need to change that? | 17:14 |
| lotuspsychje | !xubuntu | 17:15 |
| ubot5 | Xubuntu is Ubuntu with !Xfce as the desktop environment. More info at http://xubuntu.org/ - To install the Xubuntu environment from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop^ » - Join #xubuntu for support - See also: !xubuntu-channels | 17:15 |
| lotuspsychje | hi Bashing-om | 17:52 |
| Bashing-om | o/ Ready to do this again :) Hey lotuspsychje - still same as I left it ? | 17:53 |
| lotuspsychje | Bashing-om: was bit crowdy :p | 18:05 |
| Bashing-om | lotuspsychje: Well, then - I best get caught up and get with it --- Huh ? | 18:12 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah jump in mate | 18:12 |
| lotuspsychje | im off for movie :p | 18:12 |
| Bashing-om | lotuspsychje: K, I do what I can :P | 18:13 |
| === not_phunyguy is now known as phunyguy | ||
| TJ- | Bashing-om: I think we're going to have to let mist go, it sounds like the thing is hosed and he's not being particularly clear or helpful | 22:49 |
| daftykins | user down! | 22:52 |
| Bashing-om | TJ-: `mist Went above my skill set some time back . I be struggling now to understand . | 22:53 |
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