[03:26] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[03:30] <lotuspsychje> how was the night Bashing-om
[03:32] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Started off frightful at the end of ducasse's shift - now quiet . just a couple of wayland issues outstanding .
[03:32] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: tnx for the headsup, good we have the xorg session as backup
[03:35] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Yes, But wayland should work , Xorg for the times that some apps are not ported to wayland .
[03:36] <lotuspsychje> aha
[03:36] <lotuspsychje> unless on nvidia?
[03:37] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Have not seen nearly as many nvidia/wayland issues as I had anticipated :)
[03:38] <lotuspsychje> good news then?
[03:40] <Bashing-om> well,, I still think optimus will not work as is .
[03:42] <lotuspsychje> ok
[03:50] <Bashing-om> Seems likely " Nvidia doesn't support VDPAU on Wayland. If you need video acceleration -> Xorg  "
[03:53] <lotuspsychje> ah so the basics work
[03:54] <lotuspsychje> thats gonna b waiting for the vdpau support then
[03:55] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: :) Got 9 months to work out the kinks .
[03:55] <lotuspsychje> yess
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> hey luxio
[04:13] <luxio> hi
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> so you tried artful?
[04:14] <luxio> artful?
[04:16] <lotuspsychje> 17.10
[04:17] <lotuspsychje> luxio: can we know wich graphics card you have?
[04:18] <luxio> lotuspsychje: NVIDIA GTX 750Ti
[04:18] <luxio> yes I'm running 17.10
[04:19] <lotuspsychje> wow
[04:19] <lotuspsychje> luxio: did you test gaming on it?
[04:19] <luxio> well I'm playing Minesweeper right now LOL
[04:19] <luxio> nothing graphically intensive though
[04:20] <lotuspsychje> right
[04:20] <lotuspsychje> luxio: no graphic glitches on wayland?
[04:20] <luxio> anything in specific I should try out?
[04:20] <luxio> and no
[04:24] <lotuspsychje> luxio: sure a more graphic game
[04:31] <luxio> any game in specific? not sure what to try
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> any shooter in software center
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> luxio: can you try vdpauinfo dfrom a terminal also?
[04:34] <luxio> lotuspsychje: https://i.imgur.com/am6uXA5.png
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> luxio: ok tnx mate
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> luxio: what does show behind driver= when you sudo lshw -C video?
[04:36] <lotuspsychje> dont need the screenshot, just the driver= loaded
[04:37] <luxio> There's no line that says driver=
[04:37] <luxio> https://paste.ubuntu.com/25791115/
[04:37] <luxio> oh, nouveau
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> driver=nouveau
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> yep
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> tnx for feedback luxio
[04:38] <luxio> np
[04:39] <luxio> lotuspsychje: as for games, OpenArena crashes when I start a match
[04:39] <lotuspsychje> aha
[04:39] <lotuspsychje> luxio: perhaps try that from a terminal to catch errors?
[04:40] <luxio> lotuspsychje: already done. https://paste.ubuntu.com/25791129/
[04:40] <luxio> segfault
[04:42] <luxio> full logs: https://paste.ubuntu.com/25791136/
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> luxio: might check another game as a test also
[04:45] <luxio> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ioquake3/+filebug/b2b57b98-b6e3-11e7-8007-68b5996a96c8/+login?field.title=ioquake3+crashed+with+SIGSEGV
[04:45] <luxio> ^ That link came up when it asked me to send a crash report
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> luxio: paste the bug # number plz?
[04:47] <luxio> not sure how to get it
[04:48] <luxio> tried another game, here are logs: https://paste.ubuntu.com/25791156/
[04:49] <lotuspsychje> luxio: after you get in that bug launchpad it will create a bug number in link
[04:51] <luxio> I can't get the bug report to open again
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> hmm weird
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> cant find new bugs on ioquake3 neither
[05:02] <lotuspsychje> luxio: how about you try some 1080p trailers or mkv samples, to see quality?
[05:02] <luxio> Streamed, or downloaded M
[05:02] <luxio> ?
[05:02] <lotuspsychje> can choose
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> just to see how it would perform on wayland & your card
[05:09] <luxio> lotuspsychje: HD video playbacks works fine
[05:11] <lotuspsychje> great!
[05:11] <lotuspsychje> luxio: now another test, try that game from the xorg session?
[05:12] <luxio> how do I go to an xorg session?
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> luxio: logout, and click the gear icon to choose xorg
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> set back to wayland if you wanna go back again
[05:18] <luxio> lotuspsychje: Things are a lot faster in xorg
[05:19] <luxio> lotuspsychje: It also crashes on xorg
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> hmmm
[05:20] <lotuspsychje> might be not wyland related then
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> hi bordy
[05:44] <bordy> evenin
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> morning ducasse :p
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> morning sirru5h
[06:33] <sirru5h> Hey there lotuspsychje how are you doing
[06:33] <sirru5h> It's 2333 here still night time
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> ohh
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> late night visit?
[06:35] <sirru5h> Well I I work nights most of the time as not to interfere with a clients customers/employees
[06:35] <sirru5h> So night time usually is a good time
[06:36] <sirru5h> I'm guessing that you are from asia perhaps maybe Australia?
[06:39] <sirru5h> ooks like ubuntu 17.10 has been released
[06:40] <sirru5h> I may just upgrade right now how is it? stable?
[06:41] <sirru5h> Tell ya what wish me luck I'm gonna upgrade brb
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> :p
[08:18] <sirru5h> Howdy everyone
[11:25] <Thunder_Tw> Ahh! Gaming on Ubuntu and Linux in general is so much better than i could've hoped for 5 years ago <3
[12:09] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[16:08] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[16:09] <lotuspsychje> luxio: did you get any wiser on your bug?
[16:09] <luxio> Not yet, I pretty much went to sleep after that and just woke up
[16:10] <lotuspsychje> oh cool, good morning :p
[16:10] <ducasse> hi lotuspsychje \o
[16:10] <lotuspsychje> luxio: at least your system works with nvidia & wayland
[16:11] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse had a nice mate?
[16:11] <lotuspsychje> hi immu
[16:12] <immu> hi lotuspsychje
[16:12] <immu> i think i am in
[16:12] <lotuspsychje> immu: your on artful?
[16:12] <lotuspsychje> evening TJ-
[16:12] <immu> no Solus
[16:12] <immu> why? what happ
[16:12] <lotuspsychje> just curious
[16:12] <immu> ok
[16:14] <TJ-> G'evening
[16:14] <immu> lotuspsychje, you?
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> immu: xenial & artful
[16:15] <immu> 17.04 & 17.10
[16:18] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: luxio here tested artful on nvidia both xorg & wayland working on it
[16:19] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: not for very much longer :) well, at least once we move to kernel v4.14 anyhow
[16:19] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: what will happen then?
[16:20] <TJ-> the proprietary driver will no longer build.
[16:20] <lotuspsychje> ouch
[16:20] <immu> who is TJ- did we meet earlier?
[16:20] <lotuspsychje> tj is the legend
[16:21] <immu> never met him or saw him here lotuspsychje tj
[16:22] <TJ-> AMD introduced Secure Memory Encryption API in this 4.14 cycle, and it's enabled by default (to support AMD devices that use it). It adds a GPL-only kernel symbol sme_me_mask. This is part of the kernel's core memory-management sub-system. It caused a failure to build any non-GPL modules - e.g. nvidia. I reported it  at the rc2 stage. now at the rc5 stage and the kernel sub-system maintainer decided
[16:22] <TJ-> the GPL symbol will remain.
[16:23] <immu> 4.14 hmmm
[16:23] <TJ-> That means, if we're using genericly built kernels that support both AMD and Intel CPUs this has to be enabled, which means non-GPL modules cannot be linked in. The memory-management sub-system is so core to everything I cannot see a way it can be worked around.
[16:23] <immu> aah 4.14 :)
[16:23] <TJ-> I doubt anything serious will be done about this (by nvidia) until after 4.14 is released and lots of users start to be affected
[16:24] <immu> i was thinking on 4.4 line
[16:24] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: so good we still have xorg as backup?
[16:24] <TJ-> when this GPL-symbol issue has hit previously there's been some change and it's been fixable, but for this one I don't see how it'll be possible when SME is enabled
[16:25] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: nothing to do with Xorg - this means the nvidia kernel driver cannot be built/linked in
[16:25] <TJ-> nouveau will be fine obviously
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: kk
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> its a kernel thing then
[16:25] <immu> brb
[16:25] <TJ-> I think some other out-of-tree non-GPL modules will be affected too. I can't think of any module that doesn't need to use the memory-management sub-system
[16:26] <lotuspsychje> evening sirru5h
[16:27] <sirru5h> lotuspsychje, I got 17.10 installed
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> artful succes?
[16:27] <sirru5h> Yeah I had an odd issue with trying to run a gui program from terminal
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> didnt they block that by default?
[16:27] <sirru5h> I would get Protocol not Specified
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> think i saw oerheks mention that
[16:28] <sirru5h> mm not sure I did a little work around
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> sneaky lol
[16:28] <ducasse> sirru5h: won't work under wayland
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> sirru5h: wich graphics card your on, just for feedback?
[16:29] <sirru5h> good question let me check
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:29]  * lotuspsychje crosses fingers its not atari
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> evening kostkon
[16:31] <kostkon> lotuspsychje, hey
[16:31] <TJ-> Here's the mailing-list discussion about the GPL symbol: https://marc.info/?t=150681105200001&r=1&w=2
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> immu: https://www.deviantart.com/customization/screenshots/nix/newest/?q=solus not bad
[16:36] <sirru5h> lotuspsychje,  product: Richland [Radeon HD 8550G]
[16:36] <sirru5h> and ducasse my work around does work for wayland btw ;)
[16:36] <lotuspsychje> sirru5h: no graphic glitches on wayland?
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> im having issues on my older ati X800
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> lagging overall launching apps, mouse lags
[16:37] <sirru5h> mmm nothing too crazy but yes laggy very laggy
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> xorg performing better for that machine
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> hmmm
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> sirru5h: what cpu/ram?
[16:38] <ducasse> sirru5h: sorry, i misread what you wrote. just ignore me, i'm not really focusing :)
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> dax: alive mate?
[16:38] <sirru5h> it used to take about 6/7 seconds in unity on 17.04 now it's like 12 seconds from when I hit grub to login
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> sirru5h: how about the gnome desktop itself lag?
[16:39] <sirru5h> 8gb DDR3 product: AMD A8-5550M APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> wow
[16:40] <sirru5h> mmm it really isn't too bad and it's not new or anything
[16:41] <sirru5h> I got a bit nervous to be honest on that first boot when I saw that it was taking nearly 2x the normal amount on boot
[16:42] <lotuspsychje> ouch
[16:42] <sirru5h> I was just expecting kernel panic at any moment and perhaps my dog might nuke this machine as well
[16:45] <sirru5h> lotuspsychje, on my netbook a 1.3 ghz celeron (no internal hd (external only)) it takes maybe 20 seconds
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> dog lol
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> !xubuntu
[16:51] <sirru5h> lotuspsychje, I had my dog who is a bit skittish jump onto the coffee table while I was trying to fix a VMware issue next thing I know coffee table to couch juice on the computer
[16:52] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:52] <sirru5h> lotuspsychje, I actually am using mate on that netbook now
[16:52] <immu> ubuntu mate is also good
[16:54] <sirru5h> I actually had left ubuntu for a few years used zenwalk
[16:54] <immu> i never resolved my self after unity was killed
[16:58] <sirru5h> Well I used ubuntu back in like 2003/2004
[17:00] <sirru5h> And I switched to zenwalk in about 2008/2009 and came back to ubuntu less than a year ago but I saw other distro's become much more easy and friendly for users to use and ubuntu did that
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> oerheks: the flavors url's have http and redirect to https, think ops need to change that?
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> !xubuntu
[17:52] <lotuspsychje> hi Bashing-om
[17:53] <Bashing-om> o/ Ready to do this again :) Hey lotuspsychje - still same as I left it ?
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: was bit crowdy :p
[18:12] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Well, then - I best get caught up and get with it --- Huh ?
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> yeah jump in mate
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> im off for movie :p
[18:13] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: K, I do what I can :P
[22:49] <TJ-> Bashing-om: I think we're going to have to let mist go, it sounds like the thing is hosed and he's not being particularly clear or helpful
[22:52] <daftykins> user down!
[22:53] <Bashing-om> TJ-: `mist Went above my skill set some time back . I be struggling now to understand .