[00:01] <R-Smith> does anyone know how to disable the transparency-shifting effect on the top menu bar in 17.10?
[00:01] <EriC^^> mia_temp: looks good, type "sudo umount /mnt"
[00:01] <R-Smith> I found the option to disable it for the dock in dconf editor, but I can't find an option to disable it in the menu bar
[00:02] <EriC^^> mia_temp: then type "sudo mount /dev/sdd2 /mnt"
[00:02] <mia_temp> EriC^^: done
[00:03] <EriC^^> mia_temp: type "sudo parted /dev/sdd set 1 boot on"
[00:04] <EriC^^> mia_temp: that sets the boot flag for the windows 7 partition
[00:04] <mia_temp> EriC^^: not needed
[00:04] <mia_temp> windows 7 is just VERY rare
[00:04] <mia_temp> if that disk is picked from the bios menu, ubuntu should start
[00:04] <mia_temp> (normally)
[00:05] <mia_temp> windows 7 is there just as a plan C, you know
[00:05] <EriC^^> yeah, doesn't windows not like it when it's not set though?
[00:05] <mia_temp> hm what do you mean
[00:05] <mia_temp> hat did that command do --- just add windows 7 to the menu?
[00:05] <EriC^^> no, it sets the "boot" flag for the windows 7 ntfs partition
[00:05] <mia_temp> (also gave me this notification: éInformation: You may need to update /etc/fstab.")
[00:06] <mia_temp> so it makes win7 the default?
[00:06] <EriC^^> no, it's just a requirement for some bios, and windows usually wants it for it to boot
[00:06] <mia_temp> oh okay
[00:07] <mia_temp> 99% of the things you told me to execute, I didn't get them anyway
[00:07] <EriC^^> np :D
[00:07] <mia_temp> so this seems to be fixed?
[00:07] <mia_temp> May I restart and try?
[00:07] <EriC^^> mia_temp: not yet, the ubuntu install is kind of wacky
[00:07] <mia_temp> oh okay
[00:07] <mia_temp> what should we do now
[00:08] <mia_temp> I can reinstall ubuntu btw -- if needed
[00:08] <EriC^^> mia_temp: type "for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done"
[00:09] <EriC^^> as you wish, we can fix it if you want, it needs to fix fstab and install the right grub package
[00:09] <mia_temp> that ubuntu install is kind of damaged if you ask me
[00:09] <mia_temp> mouse wheel is not working for some reason
[00:09] <mia_temp> and the screen drivers are messed up
[00:10] <mia_temp> it's updated from 16.04 lts
[00:10] <mia_temp> prob. that's what broke my things in the first place
[00:10] <EriC^^> ah, better to clean install then
[00:10] <mia_temp> But if you think fixing is a better option then let's fix
[00:10] <mia_temp> okay
[00:10] <mia_temp> so next question:
[00:10] <mia_temp> how can I clean install and keep my user data
[00:11] <mia_temp> also, is the boot configuration correct as it is now, I mean, / as the <boot< partition
[00:11] <mia_temp> is this how it should be normally ?
[00:11] <billythekid> Hello guys. It seems during installation I "managed" to installed both Luks and ecryptfs. If I see a ~/.encryptfs and a LVM _encrypt volume it means I'm double encrypting right???
[00:11] <EriC^^> mia_temp: well it doesn't matter really for linux, some bios need that there's a primary partition with a boot flag or they won't bother loading any bootloader code at all
[00:12] <mia_temp> oh so could I just use one partition for everything
[00:12] <mia_temp> I use two now, I guess
[00:12] <mia_temp> so user files should be in a bigger partition, 80 gigs or so
[00:12] <mia_temp> whereas the system is 20 gigs
[00:12] <EriC^^> mia_temp: yeah sure, the user data should be in the /home partition which is /dev/sdd3
[00:13] <mia_temp> ok, so I believe if I reinstall again, I'll check format for the / partition and leave the /me as is
[00:13] <mia_temp> and select / as /boot --- ?
[00:13] <mia_temp> would that work
[00:13] <mia_temp> (or ideal?)
[00:13] <mia_temp> Thank you very much EriC^^  for all your time and support, by the way, this is extremely helpful, you can't imagine what kind of a panic attack you've saved me from..
[00:15] <EriC^^> mia_temp: yeah just choose to format the "/" partition, it will put /boot in it no need to select that, about the /home i'd not touch it i dunno how the installer goes about stuff, then just add it in fstab later
[00:15] <mia_temp> fstab?
[00:17] <EriC^^> mia_temp: yeah add it to /etc/fstab
[00:17] <EriC^^> !home | mia_temp this has some info about /home and /etc/fstab
[00:18] <EriC^^> mia_temp: nevermind that guide
[00:19] <zamba> i want to set up vlan traffic towards my server
[00:19] <zamba> currently it's set up with a single untagged vlan
[00:20] <zamba> can i add the new vlan i want to access a as tagged vlan and still keep the untagged one? meaning i can use vconfig add eth0 <id>?
[00:21] <EriC^^> mia__: still there?
[00:33] <efefe> hey, can I just copy past everything inside install.sh file into the cmd?
[00:37] <kostkon> efefe, I guess you can, if it's free of conditional statements and such or you can and willing to properly escape multiple lines of code. why though?
[00:40] <stdafx> 1
[00:50] <wonko> finally got it
[00:50] <wonko> not sure what I did exactly, but it works now, so whatevs. :)
[00:54] <bodom> Hi there! When i try to umount a cifs share, it looks like something quickly remounts it. How can i ovveride this behavior?
[01:24] <tick> Hi, just installed 17.10, generally it has been great but i've had a couple of issues.
[01:25] <tick> firefox doesn't seem to recognize magnet links any more... anyone else else notice this? how would i fix it?
[01:28] <tick> and synaptic package manager doesn't seem to run... the password dialog box pops up but synaptic doesn't start after that. any one else experiece this? any fixes?
[01:31] <above_the_clouds> @tick: Strange. Have you tried to apply any updates to see if that would resolve the issue? Example: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade\
[01:31] <above_the_clouds> The slash at the end was a typo.
[01:36] <tick> above_the_clouds: is that for the magnet links or for synaptic? has there been any major update since the release?
[01:40] <above_the_clouds> @tick: I don't know if there have been any significant updates. Personally, I am running 16.04 LTS. What I wrote just checks for new packages and then installs which ones were updated.
[01:43] <tick> above_the_clouds: okay, thanks. i will give it a shot
[01:45] <above_the_clouds> @tick: No problem. Let us know if you still have problems after that.
[01:46] <hylian> has anyone else noticed that there is no clipboard manager installed for 17.10? I had to install parcellite myself.
[01:55] <devslash> i installed 17.10 and rebooted and now it doesnt boot. it gets stuck on the ubuntu logo with the 5 dots
[01:57] <tick> devslash: i had that problem, i manually powered down and restarted and it booted fine but a bit slow. although i have a few glitches now and i wonder if they relate to that somehow
[01:58] <devslash> i dunno
[01:59] <devslash> its been on the boot screen for 10 minutes now
[01:59] <rdh> devslash, pressing an arrow key at the ubuntu logo will show console output
[01:59] <tick> devslash: did you try manually powering it down and restarting?
[01:59] <devslash> yes
[02:00] <devslash> pressing arrow key doesnt do anything
[02:02] <devslash> i tried removing quiet ad splash from the boot params and i dont see any output
[02:02] <devslash> justa blank purple screen
[02:03] <eb0t_> in general how is 17.10 going for those that have dared to upgrade
[02:03] <devslash> bad
[02:03] <rdh> eb0t_, well for me
[02:03] <devslash> dont unless you want to reinstall
[02:03] <eb0t_> ah ..ok
[02:03] <devslash> it hosed my ubuntu installation
[02:03] <eb0t_> so its a bit shaky right now for some
[02:04] <SKSMajalengka_ri> assalamualaikum
[02:05] <eb0t_> is reinstallation gonna be a big inconvenience for you devslash
[02:06] <devslash> yes
[02:06] <eb0t_> if you have all your stuff saved ..might be a good option
[02:06] <eb0t_> ah sorry to hear that
[02:07] <devslash> im at root console
[02:07] <devslash> i did ifconfig eth0 up and it says no such device
[02:08] <devslash> did the device naming change in 17.10 ?
[02:08] <eb0t_> try sudo udevadm trigger
[02:08] <eb0t_> then type ip addr
[02:09] <devslash> weird
[02:09] <devslash> it shows i have an ip but i cant ping google
[02:10] <eb0t_> what is the name of the interface
[02:10] <eb0t_> that it shows
[02:10] <devslash> enp10s0
[02:10] <eb0t_> cool so no longer eth0
[02:10] <eb0t_> ping 8.8.8.8
[02:10] <devslash> works
[02:11] <devslash> dns issue
[02:11] <eb0t_> ok so dns is not work
[02:13] <devslash> what can i do
[02:14] <eb0t_> you can look in /etc/resolv.conf to see if you have any nameservers declared
[02:14] <eb0t_> if not
[02:14] <SKSMajalengka_ri> my name is rival, what is your name
[02:14] <eb0t_> just type put nameserver 8.8.8.8 and save it
[02:14] <eb0t_> then dns will work
[02:14] <devslash> what do i put in there exactly
[02:15] <eb0t_> exactly what i wrote
[02:15] <devslash> put nameserver 8.8.8.8
[02:15] <eb0t_> nameserver 8.8.8.8
[02:16] <eb0t_> for some reason your upgrade has removed your resolv.conf file ..or replaced it with a blank one
[02:16] <eb0t_> then try ping www.google.com
[02:16] <devslash> ok that worked
[02:17] <devslash> im able to ping google.com
[02:17] <eb0t_> good
[02:17] <eb0t_> then you are now up and running
[02:17] <devslash> no
[02:17] <devslash> i have internet connection in root console
[02:17] <devslash> but otherwise my install is still currently screwed up
[02:17] <eb0t_> switch user to your username and type startx
[02:18] <eb0t_> in fact that probably wont work
[02:18] <eb0t_> i think ubuntu is now using wayland
[02:18] <eb0t_> but you can try
[02:18] <eb0t_> i know nothing of wayland
[02:18] <eb0t_> startx is for starting x environment
[02:18] <eb0t_> god only knows how you initiate wayland
[02:19] <devslash> can anyone help me out
[02:19] <devslash> hmm i just noticed something interesting
[02:19] <devslash> teamviewer just started up on this desktop but console f1 shows blank purple screen
[02:21] <devslash> so its running in the background
[02:21] <eb0t_> try ctrl alt f1 then same with f2 etc
[02:21] <eb0t_> you will eventually come back to where you are now
[02:22] <eb0t_> there is a possibility wayland is running somewhere
[02:22] <devslash> no it isnt
[02:23] <eb0t_> you could also from root ps aux | grep ayland
[02:27] <eb0t_> dbus-run-session -- gnome-shell --display-server --wayland
[02:27] <eb0t_> type that from root
[02:28] <eb0t_> maybe lose the space between -- and gnome-shell
[02:28] <devslash> doesnt work
[02:29] <eb0t_> what error is it giving you
[02:29] <devslash> no such option gnome-shell
[02:29] <eb0t_> try without the space then
[02:29] <eb0t_> and with the space
[02:29] <devslash> no go
[02:29] <eb0t_> ok then cd /etc
[02:29] <eb0t_> no dont bother with that
[02:29] <eb0t_> type whereis wayland
[02:30] <devslash> its in /usr/share/wayland
[02:30] <eb0t_> gnome-session --session gnome-wayland
[02:30] <eb0t_> try that
[02:31] <devslash> ok hang on i need to install gnome-session
[02:32] <devslash> it says Trace/breakpoint trap
[02:34] <devslash> any idea what to do ?
[02:35] <eb0t_> if i were you i would just run an update again
[02:36] <devslash> how
[02:36] <devslash> i mean what would i run
[02:37] <eb0t_> sudo apt-get update
[02:38] <devslash> ok
[02:38] <devslash> it updatred the repos
[02:38] <devslash> afdter that i did apt-get upgrade and dist-upgrade but theres nothing to update
[02:38] <eb0t_> hmm ...maybe reboot then
[02:39] <devslash> i found an eror in xorg.log
[02:39] <eb0t_> cool
[02:39] <devslash> failed to connect to dbus
[02:40] <eb0t_> see i am not sure about this you see...im not sure if wayland is a complete different beast...not sure it uses xorg
[02:40] <devslash> with yhe ath /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket
[02:43] <eb0t_> are you in virtual box or something
[02:43] <devslash> when i do startx it says couldnt insert nvidia_304 no such device
[02:43] <devslash> no
[02:44] <eb0t_> well it seems like the upgrade didnt work fully..not sure if you were using wayland before
[02:45] <devslash> it did work art first
[02:45] <eb0t_> do you remember what you were doing before it stopped working
[02:45] <devslash> just trying to set a wallpaper
[02:45] <eb0t_> hmm ..display kind of stuff
[02:45] <devslash> the screen went all blue and didnt respond so i rebooted
[02:46] <devslash> never worked after that
[02:46] <eb0t_> so you were booted into gnome and then you went into settings to modify wallpaper and thats when it stopped working
[02:46] <devslash> yes
[02:48] <dar123> i am trying to add some variables available after boot. added them to my Sxx scripts. export foo=bar but they don't show up
[02:49] <devslash> are you adding environment variables
[02:49] <dar123> yes
[02:49] <devslash> why not add that to /etc/environment?
[02:49] <eb0t_> gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.background draw-background false
[02:50] <eb0t_> try that to clear out any nonsense that may have got into the gnome background wallpaper thingy
[02:50] <dar123> hmm, let me see if i can do that. I see a note in comments not to add there. Company policy i guess
[02:50] <eb0t_> have you tried loggin out and then back in dar123
[02:55] <devslash> i get a warning failed to commit changes to dconf cannot autolaunch D-Bus without X11 display
[02:55] <devslash> im in single user console so maybe thats not a big deal cause there is no x display
[02:55] <eb0t_> yes
[02:56] <devslash> no i get a blank purple display and thats it
[02:56] <devslash> now
[02:56] <eb0t_> but you dont get the gnome desktop
[02:56] <devslash> no
[02:56] <devslash> cant change to different console either
[02:57] <eb0t_> its hanging somewhere
[02:59] <eb0t_> so ctrl alt f1 etc isnt working
[03:00] <devslash> no
[03:00] <eb0t_> may be something to do with single user console
[03:00] <devslash> no
[03:01] <eb0t_> then you have no option but reboot
[03:01] <devslash> when i reboot it gets stuck on a purple splash screen
[03:01] <devslash> when i boot normally
[03:02] <devslash> can anyone else help me out here
[03:02] <eb0t_> https://askubuntu.com/questions/138700/ubuntu-12-04-blank-purple-splash-screen-after-live-install
[03:05] <devslash> doersnt fix the [problem
[03:12] <devslash> is anyone else here
[03:16] <devslash> i will send someone BC if you can help me fix this
[03:27] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[03:32] <ledeni> devslash, can you boot in recovery mode?
[03:32] <ReedK0> guys how do you load the vim tutorial
[03:32] <devslash> yes
[03:32] <devslash> single user recovery
[03:33] <devslash> when i press ctrl d it hangs after smdb.service
[03:33] <lotuspsychje> !man | ReedK0
[03:33] <ReedK0> i'm reading the vim manual. :P
[03:36] <ledeni> do you see gdm or hang before that
[03:36] <ReedK0> it's vimtutor
[03:37] <ledeni> devslash,^^^
[03:39] <devslash> no
[03:55] <huo> i need useing fcitx
[04:12] <luxio> I've been distro hopping for a while now, and just recently installed Ubuntu. I love it!
[04:12] <luxio> Especially now that it uses GNOME
[04:12] <lotuspsychje> luxio: welcome to the community
[04:12] <luxio> :)
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | luxio most welcome to talk about here
[04:28] <harish_> hi
[04:29] <R-Smith> howdy
[04:49] <harish_> 😂
[04:51] <reisio> 'face with tears of joy'
[05:10] <Yaser_Amiri> Hi, I have some physical interfaces and some pppoe connection on their, now when I execute "ifconfig" there is some virtual interfaces (ppp0-1 ). How can I get map of this virtual interfaces to their physical interfaces?
[06:43] <theG0ldeng0d> is there a way to use an animated gif as my desktop wallpaper
[06:48] <yokowka> hello every soul! i have such problem: broken loader of ubuntu 17.04 and then was installed ubuntu 16.04 to the same place so and 17.04/ For a moment system not loads from 16.04 but hangs on from 17.04... Help me please!
[06:49] <lotuspsychje> theG0ldeng0d: i think there are packages that can set animated wallpapers somehow
[06:49] <lotuspsychje> !details | yokowka
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> yokowka: at wich step are you right now?
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> yokowka: try to explain what happens at wich point?
[06:51] <yokowka> i'm trying to fix grub 2
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> !recovergrub | yokowka
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> yokowka: what did you do to brake it?
[06:52] <yokowka> i ve installed and used ubuntu 17.04 . then clear from synaptic some pockets so system crashed
[06:53] <yokowka> give me link for photos it will be more clear
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> yokowka: imgur.com
[06:56] <redCOAT_> How do I remote connect from Unbuntu to Windows and vice versa?
[06:57] <redCOAT_> Is there any software that is free and easy to use to accomplish this task besides installing wine on unbuntu
[06:58] <yokowka> lotuspsychje https://imgur.com/a/6kY4f https://imgur.com/a/vMJhR
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> redCOAT_: one time or all time?
[06:59] <redCOAT_> one time
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> redCOAT_: teamviewer
[06:59] <redCOAT_> great thanks
[07:00] <redCOAT_> one of the first remote desktop apps I used lol
[07:01] <lotuspsychje> redCOAT_: openssh for secure work remote
[07:03] <redCOAT_> thanks lotuspsychje  openssh won't provide a gui right?
[07:04] <alkisg> yokowka: now ubuntu 16.04 loads and 17.10 hangs?
 17.04 hangs , 16.04 not loads
[07:05] <alkisg> yokowka: so you are in a live cd?
 yes i'm
[07:06] <alkisg> yokowka: the picture says sda6 is mounted as /
[07:06] <alkisg> So this isn't a live cd...
[07:07] <hellrazor> hi all
[07:08] <alkisg> Hello
 this photos made for the second time trying installing of ubuntu 16.04 from live cd
[07:08] <ReedK0> yokowka, what's your hardware?
[07:09] <alkisg> yokowka: this photo is not from a live cd because sda6 is mounted as /
[07:09] <alkisg> Did you manage to boot 16.04, and this is from the hard disk installation?
[07:09] <ReedK0> Checks out.  Maybe it isn't burned properly.   What tool did you use to make your liveCD?
[07:09] <hellrazor> i am having a question
[07:10] <hellrazor> https://pastebin.com/r7W4khcb
[07:10] <hellrazor> it looks like some package files are broken
[07:10] <yokowka> alkisg not i don't know how to manage boot of 16.04
[07:10] <hellrazor> any way to solve this?
[07:11] <yokowka> reedK0 dell 3537inspiron
[07:11] <alkisg> hellrazor: what's the output of `apt policy lvm2` ?
[07:11] <ReedK0> Someone help me make an ubuntu script please. :D
[07:11] <ReedK0> It's kinda a keylogger.
[07:11] <ikonia> ReedK0: we will not help with that
[07:11] <ikonia> this channel is for ubuntu support - not scripting or exploit development
[07:11] <yokowka> ReedK0 i used burned program recomended ubuntu
[07:11] <hellrazor> apt policy lvm2
[07:11] <ReedK0> it's not an exploit.
[07:11] <hellrazor> E: Invalid operation policy
[07:11] <hellrazor> You have new mail in /var/mail/root
[07:11] <alkisg> !bootinfo | grep yokowka:
[07:12] <alkisg> yokowka: can you do that? ^
[07:12] <hellrazor> @ alkisg
[07:12] <ReedK0> Do you know a good scripting language for ubuntu desktop?
[07:12] <Toba> So, in unity - how can I make windows stop trying to "snap" to various other shapes when I resize them?
[07:12] <alkisg> hellrazor: which distro/version is that?
[07:12] <hellrazor> Invaled operation policy
[07:12] <Toba> I want to set the sizes of my windows the way i set them and have nothing automatic happen
[07:12] <ikonia> ReedK0: there are many scripting and programming langauges, what matters is the one you can write in
[07:12] <hellrazor> alkisg: ubuntu 14.04 but it start as 12.10 or so
[07:12] <hellrazor> has a few dist upgrades behind it
[07:12] <alkisg> hellrazor: it sounds like you have bad sources.list. What's the output of lsb_release -r ?
[07:13] <hellrazor> Release: 14.04 @ alkisg
[07:13] <yokowka> alkisg i'm trying
[07:13] <yokowka> alkisg to do that
[07:14] <hellrazor> alkisg: so fixing the sources.list might help
[07:14] <alkisg> hellrazor: egrep -rv '^#|^$' /etc/apt/sources.list* | nc termbin.com 9999
[07:14] <hellrazor> alkisg: http://termbin.com/k9mz
[07:15] <hellrazor> what a mess
[07:15] <cristian_c> hello
[07:15] <alkisg> hellrazor: apt-cache policy lvm2
[07:16] <cristian_c> when I use mozplugger, opening pdf files, I notice a strange behaviour about input events. If I use arrow keys on keyboard, they don't work, but if I use the mouse wheel scrolling, it works, instead
[07:16] <alkisg> (why ftp instead of http there in the sources...)
[07:16] <cristian_c> How could I fix the issue for embedded pdf files using it?
[07:16] <cristian_c> any ideas?
[07:17] <ReedK0> ikonia, i can't write any of them for ubuntu.  Isn't there like an ubuntu equivalent of batch?
[07:17] <hellrazor> alkisg: http://termbin.com/dsx6
[07:17] <hellrazor> thats bad its inconsistend
[07:17] <hellrazor> i presume this is also the case for all the other packages
[07:18] <ikonia> ReedK0: the most common is the shell scripts
[07:19] <alkisg> hellrazor: the problem is that you enabled the proposed repository
[07:20] <alkisg> hellrazor: this is used to *check* new packages that *might* end up in updates
[07:20] <alkisg> You are supposed to only installed a few packages from there, the ones that you need to check
[07:20] <hellrazor> ok makes sense
[07:20] <alkisg> But now you updated from there, and you cannot redownload packages that were removed from the proposed queue
[07:20] <hellrazor> :D
[07:21] <alkisg> So the correct way forward, is to remove proposed from your sources, and downgrade the packages affected
[07:21] <alkisg> hellrazor: run software-properties-gtk, and remove proposed
[07:21] <hellrazor> that would be remove trusty-proposed?
[07:21] <alkisg> Yes
[07:21] <alkisg> But that's not enough
[07:21] <alkisg> Then run sudo apt-get update
[07:21] <hellrazor> in sources.list?
[07:21] <hellrazor> of course i know
[07:22] <alkisg> Eeeh you can do it from a GUi
[07:22] <alkisg> From software-properties-gtk
[07:22] <alkisg> But if you want to directly edit sources.list, sure
[07:22] <hellrazor> it already open in vim =)
[07:22] <alkisg> OK
[07:22] <alkisg> Then run apt-get update
[07:22] <alkisg> And then I'll send you a script
[07:24] <hellrazor> alkisg: ok i guess have to change the apt-cache policy i presume
[07:25] <alkisg> No, this only shows things, it doesn't change them
[07:26] <alkisg> Give me a moment to optimize the script...
[07:26] <hellrazor> ok so how can i reinstall them?
[07:27] <alkisg> hellrazor: wget http://termbin.com/wjsc -Ο /tmp/official-package-versions; chmod +x /tmp/official-package-versions; /tmp/official-package-versions
[07:27] <alkisg> What's the output of that?
[07:31] <yokowka> alkisg this command sudo ~/Downloads/bootinfoscript need password of superuser, i don't know it...
[07:31] <alkisg> yokowka: it's your own password
[07:31] <alkisg> The password of the user
[07:32] <yokowka> alkisg ok i'll tru
[07:32] <yokowka> try
[07:32] <alkisg> hellrazor: you may need to change "apt policy" to "apt-cache policy" in line 12:  LANG=C.UTF-8 LANGUAGE= apt-cache policy '*' 2>/dev/null | (
[07:33] <hellrazor> jeah their is a error
[07:33] <hellrazor> ok correcting
[07:35] <yokowka> alkisg my pass is wrong, sudo ~/Downloads/bootinfoscript not find such command...
[07:36] <alkisg> yokowka: run "sudo -i", does that work?
[07:36] <yokowka> alkisg trying
[07:36] <hellrazor> alkisg: i do not get anything back except the printf msg in the beginning
[07:37] <alkisg> hellrazor: wait for 10-20 secs
[07:37] <alkisg> Did you get back to the prompt?!
[07:37] <hellrazor> alkisg: nope only the printf
[07:37] <yokowka> alkisg works - now in root
[07:37] <alkisg> hellrazor: did the script finish, do you see hellrazor@pc$ ?
[07:38] <alkisg> yokowka: ok, where did you put the bootinfoscript?
[07:39] <hellrazor> alkisg: nothing
[07:39] <yokowka> alkisg i unpaked it to downloads folder
[07:40] <alkisg> yokowka: ok, go to the downloads folder and see what the path is, it might be russian or something instead of "downloads"
[07:40] <yokowka> alkisg path is?
[07:40] <alkisg> yokowka: the list of directories to go there, e.g. /home/yokowka/Λήψεις/bootinfoscript
[07:41] <alkisg> It displays it in the bar on top
[07:41] <alkisg> hellrazor: nothing means it finished and you see the command prompt, or that it didn't finish?
[07:41] <hellrazor> it did finished and set me backto the command prompt without erros
[07:43] <alkisg> hellrazor: You're supposed to see something like this, and we want the last line: http://termbin.com/bnsb
[07:43] <piraye> hi, can anyone help me, please? https://paste.pound-python.org/show/egQlrYG7MB8ajz50688Q/
[07:43] <alkisg> Are you sure you properly fixed the apt-cache policy line?
[07:43] <hellrazor> alkisg: yes
[07:45] <hellrazor> alkisg: http://termbin.com/veu8
[07:46] <alkisg> hellrazor: apt-cache policy '*' > /tmp/aptpolicy
[07:46] <alkisg> This will generate a big file, e.g. 20 MB
[07:46] <alkisg> Do you have anywhere to upload it and give us the link?
[07:46] <alkisg> Maybe my script needs fixing for 14.04...
[07:46] <hellrazor> alkisg: i can put it on dropbox if thats ok
[07:46] <alkisg> Sure
[07:47] <hellrazor> alkisg: actually the problem contists for two machines here
[07:47] <yokowka> alkisg /home/downloads/bootinfoscript
[07:47] <alkisg> yokowka: nice, so run that one with sudo
[07:47] <yokowka> alkisg now i'm in root
[07:48] <yokowka> alkisg what command is?
[07:48] <hellrazor> apt-cache policy '*'
[07:48] <hellrazor> N: Unable to locate package *
[07:48] <yokowka> alkisg to run
[07:48] <hellrazor> no wildcard here
[07:49] <alkisg> hellrazor: change * to .*
[07:49] <crc32> in Ubuntu 17.10 metacity how do I get the left and bottom borders back in gnome-terminal?
[07:49] <alkisg> I think that's the issue with the script,in 14.04
[07:49] <alkisg> In line 12 again
[07:50] <hellrazor> alkisg: now the script seems to be running
[07:50] <alkisg> Cool, put the output to pastebin to see if it's sane
[07:50] <alkisg> We basically need to check the last apt-get install command there
[07:51] <hellrazor> i do not get any output
[07:51] <alkisg> Did the script finish running?
[07:51] <hellrazor> it just drops me back to the shell
[07:51] <alkisg> Hrm
[07:51] <alkisg> Can you run this first? "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade; apt-cache policy lvm2"
[07:51] <alkisg> I tried the script in a 14.04 VM and it worked fine
[07:51] <alkisg> (with the .* change)
[07:52] <hellrazor> executing
[07:52] <alkisg> Latest version: http://termbin.com/t6mt
[07:53] <hellrazor> alkisg: no change for the lvm2 policy
[07:53] <alkisg> hellrazor: output of the above commands?
[07:53] <alkisg> Put all of it to pastebin
[07:54] <hellrazor> gimme a second
[07:55] <latenite> Hi folks, I installed the package "libvirt-daemon".But I can not find any systemd service files for it. What am I missing here?
[07:56] <hellrazor> alkisg: this is the Laptop: https://pastebin.com/ZFtuRYbC
[07:56] <alkisg> hellrazor: the laptop doesn't have the issue
[07:56] <alkisg> hellrazor: the installed version is not the one from proposed, but from normal updates
[07:57] <alkisg>   Installed: 2.02.98-6ubuntu2 ==> previously you had 6ubuntu3 installed
[07:57] <cfhowlett> hellrazor, pretty sure the command is sudo do-release-upgrade
[07:57] <hellrazor> alkisg: two maschine here
[07:57] <alkisg> (I assume in the second machine)
[07:57] <hellrazor> laptop and desktop
[07:57] <hellrazor> lets fokus on desktop
[07:57] <alkisg> hellrazor: yes, so run the script in the desktop, right
[07:57] <cfhowlett> if that's what you're after
[07:57] <latenite> In other words, how do I start libvirtd on Ubuntu?
[07:58] <alkisg> cfhowlett: no, he wants to revert the version of some packages to the official ones, instead of the ones from -proposed that he accidentally enabled
[07:58] <hellrazor> alkisg: DEsktop: https://pastebin.com/krTrKimq
[07:58] <cfhowlett> ah.  I stand corrected, alkisg.  good looking out.
[07:58] <hellrazor> and he still has the issue
[07:59] <alkisg> hellrazor: yup, now run the script there. Latest version: http://termbin.com/t6mt
[07:59] <alkisg> It should give you an apt-get install command in the desktop pc
[08:00] <hellrazor> we will see
[08:01] <hellrazor> alkisg: i have to fix your newest version script again apt-ache etc.. ;D
[08:01] <alkisg> No
[08:01] <yokowka> alkisg such new problem: bootinfoscript(~/Downloads/bootinfoscript-061)-gedit     - bash... mistake newline
[08:01] <hellrazor> ok your right
[08:01] <hellrazor> but no command prompt or install msg or whatever
[08:01] <alkisg> hellrazor: wait 10-20 secs, it's a big file (20 mb) to be parsed by bash
[08:02] <hellrazor> alkisg: it shoudl generate cpuload
[08:03] <alkisg> Yes,it should...
[08:03] <hellrazor> it is definitely parsing
[08:03] <hellrazor> then ends
[08:03] <alkisg> apt-cache and official-package-versions should take a lot of cpu in `top`
[08:03] <alkisg> Did it spit an apt-get install line?
[08:03] <hellrazor> nope
[08:03] <hellrazor> it did not
[08:03] <alkisg> yokowka: I'll need to leave in a few minutes so I don't think I have time to walk you through this,wait for someone else
[08:04] <alkisg> hellrazor: can you upload the big file to dropbox?
[08:04] <alkisg> apt-cache policy '.*' > /tmp/aptpolicy
[08:04] <alkisg> From the desktop pc
[08:06] <latenite> Hi, Is this the Ubuntu support channel?
[08:06] <cfhowlett> latenite, yes it is.
[08:09] <latenite> cfhowlett, ok cool. How do I pose a question so I get an answer?
[08:09] <cfhowlett> like this ^^^
[08:09] <cfhowlett> !ask
[08:09] <Triffid_Hunter> latenite: http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ;)
[08:09] <hellrazor> alkisg: Dekstop: https://www.dropbox.com/s/fb2pfbqful9963d/aptpolicy-desktop?dl=0  Laptop: https://www.dropbox.com/s/7ozb9nkr0w8wxfz/aptpolicy-laptop?dl=0
[08:10] <cfhowlett> Triffid_Hunter, the easy version ... https://inkscape.org/media/cms_page_media/56/ask-smart-questions.pdf
[08:10] <crc32> in Ubuntu 17.10 metacity how do I get the left and bottom borders back in gnome-terminal?
[08:11] <crc32> its 2017 and its still a pain in the ass to get even 1 pixel borders to show up
[08:11] <crc32> i only see solutions for unity but non for metacity
[08:11] <hellrazor> cfhowlett: do-release-upgrade installs all these packages i do not want ... running xfce4/i3wm combo
[08:12] <hellrazor> and removes all the packages i want
[08:12] <hellrazor> and it would force thesystem to use systemd
[08:12] <hellrazor> sooo
[08:12] <cfhowlett> hellrazor, yes, I was corrected on that earlier.  sorry for giving advice without the pertinent facts.
[08:13] <alkisg> hellrazor: ah, I see the issue, apt in 14.04 doesn't show as candidate the version from the repository, so my script needs fixing. No time to do that now though, so if you don't fix it, ping me another day...
[08:13] <latenite> Question: how do I start 'libvirtd' on Ubuntu 17? I can not find any systemd service files or scripts in /etc/init.d/
[08:13] <hellrazor> ok at least i now know what the problem is
[08:13] <hellrazor> so i can somehow fiy it manually
[08:14] <alkisg> hellrazor: you'd end up with an apt-get install lvm2=2.02.98-6ubuntu2 line, with the stock versions there
[08:14]  * alkisg waves, later...
[08:14] <hellrazor> alkisg: there are a lot of packages
[08:14] <alkisg> Yes, it would be a long line :)
[08:14] <hellrazor> which this issue applies to
[08:14] <alkisg> E.g. 50 packages in one line
[08:15] <hellrazor> around 30
[08:15] <alkisg> You can also do it manually... bb!
[08:15] <hellrazor> hm..
[08:15] <hellrazor> i know
[08:15] <hellrazor> fixing script is better ^^
[08:20] <latenite> Hi folks, I am on 17.04 and there is no service file for libvirtd. Only a init.d script: https://gist.github.com/kaipoeritz/d059715c59161fb04b05be58c91f3410
[08:20] <latenite> Why is that?
[08:20] <akik> latenite: systemd includes sysv init compatibility
[08:20] <latenite> I see lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Jun 21 17:33 /sbin/init -> /lib/systemd/systemd
[08:21] <latenite> so why are the services not managed by .service files?
[08:21] <latenite> akik, I know systemd can handle sysv stuff. But why is Ubuntu not providing the service files in the packages?
[08:22] <akik> latenite: i guess your guess is as good as mine
[08:27] <latenite> akik, maybe efford was missing to write the files?
[08:27] <akik> latenite: do you have /lib/systemd/system/libvirt-bin.service?
[08:28] <Huskar> Hi! I've updated to 17.10 yesterday, and since ubuntu closes all open applications if it goes into standby....... I dont know where I can configure this.
[08:30] <crc32> is there a schema file for metacity-theme-1.xml cause this invisible border crap sucks
[08:32] <sirru5h> Hey is anyone else having issues with 17.10 and synaptic ?
[08:34] <crc32> suspend worked for me. I wonder if its an ACPI bug
[08:43] <sirru5h> Just wondering if anyone here has had issues with synaptic ( yes I am using sudo)
[08:44] <latenite> akik, I made a mistake. I was wrong. I have /lib/systemd/system/libvirtd.service
[08:44] <latenite> akik, I am sorry
[08:51] <supay> hey guys. how do i go about fixing unmet dependencies? i'm unable to install vlc media player :( i have googled and tried a couple of solutions, but nothing seems to fix this. please help! this is what the error looks like: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25792181/
[08:54] <sirru5h> supay, what version of ubuntu ?
[08:55] <supay> sirru5h: 16.04
[08:55] <supay> sirru5h: and the funny thing is, i'm trying to find which package(s) is/are broken, but can't
[08:56] <supay> super weird tbh
[08:56] <hellrazor> broken packages are bad
[08:56] <hellrazor> i am just forced to cleanup stuff manually not really a pleasure here...
[08:57] <supay> hellrazor: yeah. but i can't seem to find what's broken. that's my biggest problem
[08:59] <hellrazor> apt-cachy policy packagename?
[08:59] <hellrazor> in your case vlc
[09:00] <crc32> for real how do you get a 1px border for gnome terminal. I'm using metacity on ubuntu 17.10.
[09:01] <xtron> all the ubuntu versions share the same version of a package (for example gcc) or it is some thing update with ubuntu upgrade ?
[09:01] <supay> hellrazor: https://paste.ubuntu.com/25792233/
[09:03] <crc32> this is bullshit. Why does ubuntu keep pushing borderless windows
[09:11] <supay> any help guys?
[09:13] <Ben64> supay: apt-cache policy vlc browser-plugin-vlc libgles1-mesa libgles1 libgles2-mesa libgles2
[09:14] <supay> Ben64: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25792304/ :)
[09:15] <hellrazor> i must say i reallly really starting to hate ubuntu right now
[09:16] <supay> hellrazor: me too, and i've only had it one day :D
[09:16] <supay> i'm pretty sure i fcuked up. but ubuntu is not making this easy
[09:16] <hellrazor> dude i am currently manually reinstalling packages...
[09:18] <Ben64> supay: sudo apt install libgles2-mesa
[09:19] <supay> Ben64: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25792318/  :(
[09:20] <hellrazor> supay: manually downgrade the package in question
[09:20] <supay> Ben64: it just goes on and on
[09:20] <supay> hellrazor: what do you mean?
[09:21] <Ben64> don't do that
[09:21] <hellrazor> apt-cache policy libgles2-mesa
[09:21] <supay> hellrazor: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25792324/
[09:22] <hellrazor> thats fine
[09:22] <hellrazor> apt-cache policy libglapi-mesa
[09:23] <hellrazor> @ supay
[09:23] <supay> hellrazor: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25792337/
[09:23] <Ben64> supay: apt-cache show libglapi-mesa vlc
[09:23] <cfhowlett> might I suggest you NOT rush out to install new versions as soon as they drop.  most of the bugs and annoyances you see in the fresh release are fixed by the first point release, e.g. 17.10.1
[09:24] <hellrazor> iam going crazy to fix this 14.04..
[09:24] <supay> cfhowlett: so i upgrade?
[09:24] <Ben64> supay: no
[09:24] <piraye> https://gist.github.com/purplelive/f9ddc50a5ca6cd2ec7a87272c3328697 can anyone help with this problem?
[09:24] <Ben64> supay: run the command i gave
[09:25] <supay> Ben64: thank god. i didn't want to: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25792345/
[09:26] <Ben64> looks like you found a problem with vlc
[09:27] <supay> Ben64: no, you did. i have no clue what these commands are doing
[09:27] <supay> so i can't get vlc? :(
[09:27] <supay> any other media player you guys suggest for ubuntu?
[09:27] <Ben64> mplayer2 / mpv
[09:28] <supay> alright. cool
[09:28] <Ben64> i'd recommend those over vlc anyway
[09:28] <supay> whoa, really?
[09:29] <Ben64> yeah mplayer2 and mpv are both really great (and based on the same source code)
[09:29] <Ben64> also mplayer but idk if that's really been updated much
[09:31] <supay> alright. awesome
[09:31] <supay> and maybe you can report the bug to vlc and get a bounty! :D
[09:31] <supay> in BITCOINS
[09:31] <Ben64> well it would be more of a packaging error
[09:31] <Ben64> so not vlc's fault
[09:32] <francis> hello
[09:34] <hellrazor> ohh for fucks sake
[09:34] <hellrazor> i the future never use proposed repo...
[09:34] <cfhowlett> hellrazor, language!  family friendly at all times.  thank you.
[09:35] <hellrazor> cfhowlett: oh didn't know that was a rule here, i apologize
[09:35] <cfhowlett> go forth and sin no more.
[09:36] <francis> any hardcore programmers here? I wanted to learn from you guys!
[09:37] <cfhowlett> this isn't channel for that, francis.  There are dedicated channels
[09:37] <hellrazor> hm.. am i glad i do have selections list from dpkg so i can downgrade and then redo everything
[09:37] <francis> :) ok
[09:38] <wudo_honour> have any body know the google onion address?
[09:39] <wudo_honour> I have found that. for. a long time
[09:42] <piraye> can anyone help https://paste.pound-python.org/show/PecUBp7bACMvvgUr7XTA/ i have this problem
[09:45] <overbuh> qq
[09:46] <hellrazor> good god i have packages spooking around from saucy...
[09:48] <hellrazor> omg wheezy packages
[09:49] <cfhowlett> what the heck did you do to your sources??
[09:49] <hellrazor> how more back in time can i go, seriously
[09:49] <hellrazor> cfhowlett: well this system has had a few release upgrades behind it
[09:49] <hellrazor> itsmostly old stuff leftover unused so far
[09:49] <cfhowlett> understood but it should not  be retaining old sources as that *will* break things
[09:50] <hellrazor> cfhowlett: thats clear, i just found one package installed from wheezy
[09:50] <cfhowlett> :)
[09:50] <hellrazor> no clue how that survivied
[09:52] <hellrazor> cfhowlett: its a shame that you actually loose your own package selection when doing a release upgrade
[09:52] <hellrazor> rolling release would be sooo much better
[09:54] <hellrazor> also this now makes total sense that i am having strange feect on some programmes
[09:56] <hellrazor> why the hell does wine actually needs samba
[09:56] <hellrazor> as dependency
[09:56] <hellrazor> sign
[09:57] <dipankarjain> JOIN #opendaylight-spectrometer
[09:57] <hellrazor> finally
[10:14] <FMan> I have a question
[10:15] <MonkeyDust> FMan  let's hear it, in one line
[10:15] <FMan> I installed git and git-man provides the manual page, but then there is a suggested package git-doc, which "provides the documentation" - wat? is it an info page or sth?
[10:16] <alexas> how to restore to default all of the network settings and protocols?
[10:16] <Ginn> hey guys, whats up?
[10:16] <Ginn> can I ask a question please?
[10:18] <alexas> Ginn: I suggest you ask and don't ask to ask.
[10:18] <Ginn> thanks alexas
[10:18] <Ginn> i didn't know if I was allow to
[10:19] <Ginn> so, I'm customizing Ubuntu for school, it's a project.
[10:19] <Ginn> I wanted to make my start menu organized
[10:20] <Ginn> like this: http://cdn.makeuseof.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/zorinos_startmenu.jpg?x97327
[10:20] <Ginn> is that possible on Unity - Ubuntu?
[10:20] <Ginn> 16 LTS.
[10:21] <gepan> who has alternatives tools?
[10:23] <Thunder_Tw> Ginn:  technically it's possible to change the menu like that. practically it looks like KDE
[10:23] <Ginn> and how?
[10:23] <gepan> Raspberry pie does not have this tool
[10:23] <Ginn> i didn't want swap to KDE
[10:24] <FMan1988> is there a command for apt-cache that lists files in a package?
[10:24] <gepan> where are you from?
[10:25] <Thunder_Tw> we are aliens from the planet 42
[10:25] <gepan> oh me too
[10:26] <gepan> Ginn where are you from?
[10:26] <gepan> No Kidding
[10:28] <MonkeyDust> gepan  confine yourself to ubuntu support questions
[10:28] <daedeloth> nvidia drivers give me weird artifcats when watching netflix
[10:29] <daedeloth> anyone else encountered similar issues?
[10:30] <daedeloth> 17.10 ofcourse
[10:33] <daedeloth> actually nouveau also does some weird things but less notifcable
[10:34] <gepan> Ubuntu mate does not have a alternative tool,what should i do?
[10:36] <gepan> Can anyone answer that?
[10:38] <ddoobb> Why is LibreOffice still at 5.2 in the repos while on their website it says 5.4 (I have 5.4 on Windows as well). How can I download latest version?
[10:38] <MonkeyDust> ddoobb  for anything outside the repos, you need a .deb or a ppa or so, but that's not supported here
[10:39] <MonkeyDust> ddoobb  as for the 'why' question : #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:39] <daedeloth> good ol' x11 seems to work like a charm :)
[10:39] <akik> gepan: update-alternatives is provided by dpkg
[10:39] <ddoobb> So is LibreOffice out of date on linux because of their devs?
[10:39] <daedeloth> oh, no, lauched too soon. x11 has same problems
[10:43] <gepan> akik:this tool does not exist either
[10:46] <akik> gepan: all ubuntu installations have dpkg
[10:48] <xtron> version of packages installed depends on ubuntu version or <sudo apt-get upgrade> or repo ???
[10:50] <xtron> clear
[10:53] <gepan> akik:thank you
[10:54] <akik> gepan: these are command line tools
[10:56] <xtron> does my software version depends on ubuntu version or <sudo apt-get upgrad>???
[10:56] <akik> xtron: i don't understand what you're asking about
[10:58] <alexas> what is the main difference between Ubuntu 16 and 17?
[10:58] <xtron> akik: i'm using ubuntu 12 lts, so my packages are tied with that version of ubuntu or I can fetch the latest version when I do <sudo ... upgrade>??
[10:59] <akik> xtron: ubuntu 12.04 has its versions of packages and 14.04 has its versions of packages
[10:59] <akik> who was it that decided that ubuntu versions are referred to with only 12, 14, 16, 17
[10:59] <Nede> xtron sudo apt-get install update-manager-core && sudo do-release-upgrade
[10:59] <brainwash> !12.04
[11:00] <MonkeyDust> alexas  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/ReleaseNotes?_ga=2.164754559.173965384.1508665886-963562356.1508665886
[11:01] <xtron> Nede: akik isn't ubuntu repos are same for all versions of ubuntu
[11:02] <akik> xtron: repository servers are the same, the package versions differ
[11:02] <sim642> My laptop suddently gets "Destination not reachable" on my home wifi (associated) which works on my desktop. I don't understand why
[11:03] <Nede> xtron: one example for repo is: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial main restricted universe multiverse
[11:03] <Nede> xtron: this is for 16.04 LTS
[11:03] <sim642> It worked for a few seconds after restart, firefox loaded some sites, but then fails again
[11:03] <xtron> Nede: so this is restricted for a specific version?
[11:04] <Nede> xtron: yes, note the code name xenial=16.04
[11:04] <Nede> xtron: your 12.04 is precise
[11:04] <tomreyn> xtron: the important meassage you should not ignore is that your system (originally released in 2012) is now unsupported because it wasn't upgraded in time.
[11:05] <Nede> xtron: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[11:05] <xtron> Nede: what if I want to update my repos to the latest available ubuntu, or this is question doesn't make sense?
[11:05] <Nede> xtron: sudo apt-get install update-manager-core && sudo do-release-upgrade
[11:06] <Thunder_Tw> thats a big command
[11:06] <tomreyn> !eolupgrade
[11:06] <tomreyn> xtron: ^
[11:06] <xtron> Nede: but the <sudo release-up..> will update my ubuntu, right?
[11:07] <Nede> xtron: yes. 12.04 to 14.04
[11:07] <tomreyn> Nede: it may not work out this easily
[11:07] <xtron> tomreyn: actually I'm not worried about EOF and security unless a lightweight linux keep this hardware alive... <old core i3 2nd gen>
[11:08] <tomreyn> Nede: 12.04 sources are now on old-releases, he may have outdated versions within 12.04 already.
[11:08] <tomreyn> (such as of the do-release-upgrade utility)
[11:09] <Nede> tomreyn: yes.......your right!
[11:09] <Nede> xtron: otherwise save your data and install a new clean version
[11:09] <Nede> 12.04 is very very old release...
[11:10] <xtron> tomreyn: i'm not getting you guys, I think for Ubuntu 12.04 lts my packages are up to date
[11:11] <xtron> I think this is quit light OS for older hardware rather than 16.x which heats-up this machine
[11:11] <tomreyn> xtron: 12.04 stopped being up to date in march. and you probably do not even have pakcages from back then and won't get them unless you upgrade. again, your release is unsupported. upgrade as discussed at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades or reinstall. after that, you can get support here again.
[11:12] <Ginn> ok guys
[11:12] <Ginn> i installed ClassicMenu
[11:12] <tomreyn> xtron: (you can also get support here with upgrading as discusse don the wiki but not anything else for 12.04)
[11:12] <Ginn> any possible way to change Unity to ClassicMenu
[11:14] <tomreyn> Ginn: unity comes with the dash. you can add a menu by installing classicmenu-indicator or you can switch to a different desktop environment.
[11:15] <Ginn> what do you recommend tomreyn?
[11:15] <Ginn> MATE?
[11:15] <tomreyn> Ginn: i recommend you try a couple different desktop environments and pick the one you like best.
[11:16] <kostkon> xtron, you need to upgrade to a supported release
[11:16] <tomreyn> !desktops | Ginn
[11:16] <tomreyn> !flavors | Ginn
[11:17] <Thunder_Tw> Ginn, i would recomend Mate for what you are attempting
[11:17] <tomreyn> Ginn: you can switch between any desktop environments you have installed by selecting them on the login screen
[11:20] <Ginn> I installed GNOME
[11:20] <Ginn> It makes the job done
[11:31] <airjump> Hi
[11:38] <sirru5h> Hello Everyone
[11:39] <sakhd> Has anybody encountered troubles with key combinations in Ubuntu 17.10? I described trouble here https://askubuntu.com/questions/967550/in-ubuntu-17-10-key-combinations-like-ctrl-shift-alt-dont-work
[11:41] <yokowka_> hello everysoul
[11:42] <sirru5h> sakhd, they seem to work alright for me but did you just upgrade as well?
[11:43] <sakhd> sirru5h, upgrade, right
[11:44] <sirru5h> I did it as well tonight sakhd I think I just resolved my issue
[11:44] <yokowka_> who can help? http://paste.ubuntu.com/25792738 how to fix it?
[11:44] <sirru5h> although to be honest poping xhost +si:localuser:root everytime I start up is gonna have to be a cron job
[11:45] <cerion> hi. I got no notifiation to upgrade to 17.10, yet. Do you ?
[11:45] <sakhd> cerion, yes, it was
[11:46] <moukoublen> Hi all. I have a question. Why do we have gedit 3.22.1 and gnome-terminal 3.24 in 17.10? Since we have pure gnome 3.26 in 17.10 now why ubuntu still keeps these two in separated version? Why this "brake" in gnome version ing?
[11:56] <brainwash> moukoublen: bug 1721412
[11:58] <brainwash> moukoublen: gedit in debian is stuck at version 3.22 also
[12:00] <brainwash> moukoublen: 3.22 is actually the latest version https://git.gnome.org/browse/gedit/tree/NEWS
[12:00] <brainwash> there you have it
[12:02] <moukoublen> Thanks :).
[12:05] <brainwash> you're welcome :)
[12:05] <moukoublen> So the only "issue" is the gnome-terminal. In which due to a custom ubuntu (?) patch to vte, both vte and gnome-terminal were held back
[12:05] <brainwash> I guess so
[12:05] <moukoublen> cool
[12:07] <sjdn> !isitout
[12:08] <sjdn> so, unity and left-aligned titlebar buttons are now officially dead?
[12:09] <nullifidian> hi, Anyone knows how to add default exec permissions to automounting USB hdds in 16.04?
[12:09] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:10] <akik> sjdn: in the old gnome version it was possible to change the button layout. have you checked whether it's possible in the new gnome version?
[12:12] <akik> sjdn: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2348381
[12:13] <akik> so it seems it is possible
[12:18] <carmack> Hi! How to upgrade system from 17.04 to 17.10
[12:18] <carmack> From tty
[12:19] <bsns> i guess it should be : sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:20] <bsns> i reinstall the ubuntu with the gui
[12:23] <sirru5h> umm there is a bit more than just sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:23] <pavlushka> how to add the local/home path to ibus input system so that ibus could recognize some mim files from my home folder
[12:23] <carmack> sirru5h: oh yeah :D
[12:24] <sirru5h> carmack, sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade followed by sudo apt-get install update-manager-core thendo-release-upgrade -d
[12:24] <sirru5h> did do-release-upgrade -d
[12:25] <sirru5h> Gosh I hate forgetting the space bar  : /
[12:26] <sirru5h> carmack, https://askubuntu.com/questions/909323/ubuntu-gnome-17-04-ubuntu-17-10-upgrade
[12:27] <sirru5h> brb guys wish me luck reboot see if the new configs work
[12:27] <Thunder_Tw> is there a way to differentiate the amatuers from official supporters?
[12:27] <Thunder_Tw> on this irc chanel
[12:28] <sjdn> official supporters are in canonical
[12:30] <Thunder_Tw> so everyone here is giving and taking some random dude's advice on Ubuntu? failsafe
[12:30] <sjdn> it's open source for you
[12:31] <akik> Thunder_Tw: did someone give you wrong advice?
[12:32] <Thunder_Tw> akik: no, i'm just wondering
[12:32] <akik> Thunder_Tw: this is volunteer help. that's it
[12:34] <Thunder_Tw> akik: <3 that it still works with volunteers, things go so easily bad in the world but that's off-topic here
[12:35] <sjdn> what does "dfsg" in the package names mean?
[12:36] <ioria> Debian Free Software Guidelines.
[12:37] <sjdn> and what does _that_ mean?
[12:37] <ioria> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian_Free_Software_Guidelines
[12:37] <gepan> you zhong guo ren ma ?
[12:37] <sjdn> i want to know what does it have to do with packages
[12:38] <sirru5h> Alright that seems to have worked
[12:38] <akik> !cn
[12:38] <ioria> then read it
[12:39] <Thunder_Tw> !nl
[12:40] <sjdn> i'll try to make myself more clear. what was changed in the package so it got the dfsg tag?
[12:41] <ioria> apt-get changelog pkg, and find out
[12:42] <ioria> usually, a pkg  stripped of any files that doesn't follow the guidelines
[12:42] <ogra_> sjdn, the source of the upsteam project has been modified to be able to split bits considered "not free enough" by these guidelines into a separate package ...
[12:43] <sjdn> i see
[12:43] <ogra_> sjdn, s that the main package can i.e. be shipped on a CD iso without any probems
[12:43] <ogra_> s/s/so/
[12:43] <yengas> hello guys. im trying to install lubuntu to my friends laptop. it always hangs when installing the grub loader. i tried creating partitions manually(gpt table, efi/fs/swap partitions) and auto installing. both hanged when installing grub loader. i also tried installing grub manually with live cd after the hang. but it hanged with livecd aswell.
[12:44] <yengas> https://image.ibb.co/cdEGMR/IMG_20171022_150100.jpg here is a picture. bios doesnt have legacy boot, its uefi and the secure boot is disabled. why the hack does it hang?
[12:45] <ioria> yengas, what version of lubuntu ?
[12:45] <yengas> 16.04.3
[12:45] <ioria> yengas, are you connected while installing ?
[12:46] <yengas> ioria, yes i am both when doing the install with live cd, and with the installer. updates are disabled.
[12:47] <ioria> yengas, you can boot in 'try' mode and paste  sudo parted -l
[12:48] <ioria> yengas,  or you can run  sudo ubiquity --no-bootloader   and install grub after
[12:49] <yengas> you can see the partition in the image i sent. after the hang, i restarted and started the pc with livecd. followed some instructions to install grub-efi manually and it hang at the terminal aswell.
[12:53] <sirru5h> mmm is it an HP?
[12:53] <yengas> sirru5h: yes
[12:53] <sirru5h> lol ;)
[12:53] <Thunder_Tw> like you could smell that commin
[12:53] <yengas> oh wait its acer :|
[12:53] <yengas> acer es 15
[12:53] <sjdn> ok i've upgraded to 17.10 and now my fonts look awful
[12:54] <sjdn> they are not hinted at all
[12:54] <sirru5h> I had tons of issues with my HP I had to disable EUFI then installed a normal install
[12:54] <sirru5h> hmm acer how old approximately ?
[12:54] <sirru5h> if you got a model number that could help as well
[12:55] <yengas> Acer ES1-533-C8WC
[12:57] <sirru5h> yengas, give me a minute to do a bit of research
[12:58] <BluesKaj> yengas, do you still have W10 installed or did you wipe it off?
[12:59] <yengas> BluesKaj, windows installs without any problems with the disk i have.
[12:59] <yengas> but its currently wiped off
[13:02] <BluesKaj> yes I did the same :-) , then I disabled UEFI and GPT which was a mistake, so followed that tutorial I posted in ##linux and restored UEFI and GPT and then Kubuntu installed very easily
[13:02] <BluesKaj> on my Lenovo G500 laptop
[13:03] <sirru5h> yengas, I got a couple of links for ya https://askubuntu.com/questions/862946/unable-to-install-ubuntu-on-acer-aspire-es1-533   then  https://community.acer.com/en/discussion/471754/acer-aspire-es-15-es1-533-c3uw-legacy-bios-missing
[13:05] <sirru5h> Howdy there BluesKaj
[13:06] <BluesKaj> Hi sirru5h
[13:08] <sirru5h> You heard anything about 17.10 launching a GUI from the terminal getting "Protocol not specified"
[13:09] <sirru5h> in xorg I don't get that error
[13:11] <yengas> sirru5h: sorry for making you do the googling for me. never thought it would be something specific to this laptop... my bad for not googling with the model. advices seem promising i will try the instructions.
[13:11] <yengas> thanks...
[13:11] <sirru5h> yengas, it's all good always here to help
[13:12] <akik> yengas: i also have an acer laptop but it has a different problem. i can't edit the uefi boot list with efibootmgr, have to do it in uefi setup
[13:13] <svetanikola2013> 16-04 lts latest fresh on a brand new ssd  man i love ubuntu
[13:15] <svetanikola2013> did anyone mess around with conky manager and conky in general on unity?
[13:15] <svetanikola2013> any opinions
[13:16] <sirru5h> svetanikola2013, mmm I have it on my 17.04 netbook
[13:16] <sirru5h> which uses unity
[13:17] <king> hello
[13:20] <svetanikola2013> so is it working ok haven't truyed it out yet thats why i am asking
[13:21] <svetanikola2013> just did the install and imported some themes althou i need more
[13:21] <sirru5h> Yeah it's working fine
[13:21] <sirru5h> and that netbook is very old btw
[13:21] <king> I  want to study  english
[13:22] <svetanikola2013> sirru5h thanks will truy it if u have any link for extra themes it would be usefull
[13:22] <king> hehe
[13:23] <king> 大家好
[13:24] <akik> king: this is not a channel to learn english
[13:24] <akik> !cn
[13:24] <sirru5h> svetanikola2013, I am sorry I don't I only use it with that one machine it's super basic
[13:25] <sirru5h> Well cya everyone
[13:30] <rullie> regarding the freeze situation on 17.10/wayland/nvidia card, it seems to be correlated to Flash
[13:35] <jeanjack> hi there
[13:35] <jeanjack> I have a question about lightdm and vnc ( i use tightvncserver )
[13:35] <vitalkanev> jeanjack: Well hello there
[13:36] <jeanjack> what i want do : having the same display with my screen ( VGA, physical ) and my vnc client
[13:37] <jeanjack> what i tryed : configure lightdm to serve vnc. It's ok, it works but don't use the :0 display
[13:38] <jeanjack> so i forced with the command parameter in lightdm configuration
[13:38] <jeanjack> command=Xvnc :0
[13:39] <jeanjack> but in ps i saw something that start with Xvnc :0 :1 ...
[13:43] <jeanjack> does it speeks to someone ? Am I in the right way ? kind of lost now
[13:47] <flughafen_> im trying to boot from usb the 17.10 on a really old intel q9550 and an asus p5q motherboard.  should this "just work"  when trying to boot a usb stick?
[13:49] <vitalkanev> @flughafen_, This could work because CPU has 2.83 GHz. How much RAM you have?
[13:51] <flughafen_> vitalkanev: 8gb
[13:52] <flughafen_> 9600gt nvidia card
[13:52] <flughafen_> vitalkanev: i want to run retropie
[14:00] <VlanX> Hello, any suggestion for how being able to recover the ability to make the terminal appera with ctrl+alt+T after upgrading to 17.10 ?  It seems broken...
[14:02] <flughafen_> vitalkanev_: i got it to boot. it was sutpid. in the bios i set it to boot from first, but it would just sit there, then i found i could hit f8 during the biuos  and select the usb stick and it's booting
[14:05] <rullie> VlanX: ctrl shift t
[14:07] <VlanX> rullie: not working... also, I'm not able to change speakers volume with the hard keys on my keyboard as I used to :(
[14:08] <flughafen_> is there no way to pick packages during install? or just do a minimum install?
[14:12] <ducasse> flughafen_: use the server or lubuntu alternate images, those allow you to select packages
[14:14] <hellrazor> hi all
[14:14] <hellrazor> got a issue with a machine of mine
[14:14] <hellrazor> dpkg -set-selections < list && apt-get deselect-upgrade does not work
[14:15] <yengas> running apt install grub-efi-amd64 automatically starts installing grub. is there parameters i can pass apt so it wont start installing the grub?
[14:16] <Geo> Hi, when running apt-get update:  "W: The repository 'http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-security Release' does not have a Release file." along with several others of the same genre... any thoughts as to why? fresh install
[14:16] <yengas> or can i pass extra params to grub installation. i need to pass --no-nvram
[14:16] <brokendns> I upgraded to 17.10, and now my dns is broken.  I think the problem is something to do with systemd-resolved continuing to use the wrong dns server, but I can't find the correct way to configure it
[14:17] <brokendns> if I use systemd-resolve --flush-cache ping gets the correct ip the first time
[14:18] <brokendns> but the second, and all following pings use the wrong dns
[14:18] <lidong> does anyone use Browser on Ubuntu? it can not play videos, how can i solve it?
[14:18] <MortyTS> why do i get an EFI shell when i boot after installing kubuntu? i gotta exit it before i can actually boot
[14:19] <airjump> Hello
[14:20] <lidong> hello
[14:21] <brokendns> Ok, I found a work-around - Cache=no in /etc/systemd/resolved.conf seems to make things sane again.
[14:21] <EriC^^> MortyTS: pastebin "sudo efibootmgr -v"
[14:21] <brokendns> Is systemd-resolve just broken?  should I remove it?
[14:22] <brokendns> (is systemd broken and should be removed :)
[14:36] <iATR> Hello everyone
[14:37] <MortyTS> EriC^^: "EFI variables are not supported on this system."
[14:37] <EriC^^> MortyTS: set your bios to boot in legacy mode only, without uefi
[14:39] <iATR> Does anyone have experience running a usb with persistence on a Mac?
[14:39] <iATR> I have had a very hard time with this
[14:41] <MortyTS> alright will try that
[14:41] <amosbird> Hi, is there a way to add readline key bindings to all qt input boxes?
[14:44] <ducasse> amosbird: by rewriting qt to rely on readline, i would think
[14:45] <iATR> Has anyone used Parrot OS
[14:45] <ducasse> iATR: try asking in ##linux
[14:47] <daveomcd> I just updated to ubuntu 17.10 how can I enable hidpi support? Or if its already enabled by default how do i make my UI larger?
[14:48] <Sven_vB> does anyone know a list of which packages ship on the xenial livecd?
[14:52] <Sven_vB> is there any chance a package from universe could be on a livecd?
[14:53] <ikonia> nope
[14:55] <MortyTS> EriC^^: i don't see an option to boot in legacy mode (MSI mobo bios). but i don't see the EFI shell anymore if i put boot priority for the hard drive over uefi, is that effectively the same thing?
[14:55] <EriC^^> MortyTS: yup
[15:02] <Sbur3> Looking for help accessing agovernment site for a scolarship.  Going in circles.  Anyone wanna help?
[15:05] <ducasse> Sbur3: what do you mean by "accessing"?
[15:06] <Sbur3> I'm gonna give you the URL.  Sorry, but it's in French
[15:06] <Sbur3> ducasse: http://www.allocations-etudes.cfwb.be/index.php?id=2419
[15:07] <michu> czesc
[15:07] <Sbur3> ducasse: I have three young people in our best friend's family looking to renew an application for a scolarship
[15:07] <Sbur3> ducasse: But it refuses to let them in
[15:08] <Sbur3> ducasse: When I click on the right thing (Cerbere), I get here ...
[15:08] <Sbur3> ducasse: https://secure.etnic.be/nidp/idff/sso?id=62&sid=1&option=credential&sid=1&target=https://prd-mag-cluster1.etnic.be/LAGBroker?%22https://www.users.cfwb.be/IDMProv/portal/cn/DefaultContainerPage/SelfAffiliationRequest?aff=RERzbTJ3bUtvRmo0SDJpMCtIK1JVUGlqSHU2M0pqUkRNcCtkVWgycHNnUT0NCg%22
[15:09] <Sbur3> And the period for applying is coming close to an end
[15:09] <mascerader> Does anybody know how to use pppoe in the ubuntu net installer? I tried "install modules=ppp-udeb" in the boot installer and it doesn't work.
[15:10] <Sbur3> ducasse: You know, filling out the application on a web site rather than the paper option.
[15:11] <ducasse> Sbur3: have you gotten that card reader working on ubuntu at all?
[15:12] <Sbur3> ducasse: My eid reader thing works perfectly
[15:13] <Sbur3> file:///home/steve/Desktop/Misc.eid
[15:14] <Sbur3> ducasse: My reader works, but I'm not even sure that it is a problem with the card reader
[15:15] <armegeden> is there any way to view an MP4's meta data via CLI?  like title, comments, etc?
[15:15] <MortyTS> is it possible to break a system by installing/updating too many things simultaneously and without rebooting after important updates?
[15:15] <ducasse> Sbur3: i get a login box from that second link, i'm still trying to make sense of the french. where do you actually get stuck?
[15:16] <ducasse> armegeden: try mediainfo
[15:16] <EriC^^> MortyTS: no
[15:16] <armegeden> ducasse, is that an apt install?
[15:16] <popsch> is there any program that displays a large visual banner that maximizes the text but still displays everything in one line? doesn't have to be command line. figlet and toilet don't adjust the font to fit the whole space.
[15:16] <Sbur3> ducasse: It doesn't seem to recognize the stuff that is given as identificant
[15:17] <ducasse> armegeden: it's in the repo, yes. there's a gui version as well.
[15:18] <ducasse> Sbur3: i honestly think you should wait until stuff opens tomorrow and contact their support, if that is an option at all
[15:24] <armegeden> ducasse, ty for the tip, but "exiftool" actually shows Title, Comment, etc.  mediainfo shows a lot of audio/visual details, but no other
[15:24] <armegeden> thanks again
[15:29] <mehdi> hi
[15:29] <laszlowaty> Hi guys. I have problems with using xscreensaver under ubuntu 17.10. It seems that even if I have installed xscreensaver and it's extras I still cannot get it running.
[15:29] <laszlowaty> ps aux | grep screensaver
[15:29] <laszlowaty> gdm       1115  0.0  0.0 276808  5100 tty1     Sl+  paź21   0:00 /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon/gsd-screensaver-proxy
[15:29] <laszlowaty> laszlo    1491  0.0  0.0 276808  4700 tty2     Sl+  paź21   0:00 /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon/gsd-screensaver-proxy
[15:29] <laszlowaty> laszlo   11565  1.5  0.1 613216 31972 tty2     Sl+  17:28   0:00 xscreensaver-demo
[15:29] <laszlowaty> laszlo   11580  0.2  0.0  79260  5252 tty2     S+   17:28   0:00 xscreensaver -nosplash
[15:31] <laszlowaty> and under xscreensaver-demo I got message 'locking not enabled'
[15:31] <ducasse> !paste | laszlowaty
[15:31] <JanC> laszlowaty: are you using Wayland or Xorg?
[15:32] <laszlowaty> I guess wayland is default in 17.10, so wayland
[15:33] <JanC> I don't think xscreenserver works on wayland?
[15:33] <laszlowaty> Oh, I didn't know that, thanks.
[15:34] <JanC> I'm not 100% sure, but as the _x_ at the start is from _X_ Window System...
[15:41] <Guy1524> Hey guys, I have an NVIDIA optimus laptop, and the new 4.10.0-37 kernel completely breaks NVIDIA support on my laptop.  Even after completely reinstalling the lastest (nvidia-387) drivers
[15:44] <cristian_c> Guy1524: 17.04?
[15:44] <Guy1524> no, 16.04
[15:44] <cristian_c> 16.04.3?
[15:50] <JanC> laszlowaty: from what I understand, you should be able to run xscreensaver with help of XWayland--but if it locks the screen you might not be able to unlock it...
[15:56] <Guy1524> chachasmooth_: yes
[15:58] <cristian_c> Guy1524: dpkg -l | grep hwe
[15:59] <cristian_c> !paste  Guy1524
[15:59] <cristian_c> !paste  | Guy1524
[15:59] <luxio> Is there a way to see the terminal when booting up instead of the purple screen?
[16:01] <Guy1524> k
[16:01] <Guy1524> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25794885/
[16:01] <jac76> I have an old netbook that I am installing Lubuntu on.  The only problem I haven't been able to solve is the screen resolution.  Everything I read says that the video chip isn't well supported and that's why I'm having problems.
[16:01] <Guy1524> cristian_c: ^
[16:02] <Guy1524> jac76: which chip
[16:02] <luxio> jac76: What's the output of `vdpauinfo`?
[16:02] <jac76> And I do find that the video device is "UNCLAIMED",  However, the live cd managed to set the correct resolution, why can't the installed software do so as well?
[16:04] <ducasse> luxio: edit /etc/default/grub, remove 'quiet splash' and run update-grub
[16:04] <jac76> The video chip is "CN896/VN896/P4M900 [Chrome 9 HC]
[16:04] <jac76> A VIA chip set
[16:04] <cristian_c> Guy1524: dpkg -l | grep nvidia
[16:04] <bizolos> Hi there. I have a strange issue. I'm connected to wifi in a café. I can only connect to facebook and google with my browser. I can't even ping google.com in my bash.
[16:05] <bizolos> I could go to http://www.ipv6-test.com/ (one of the only websites that work) and it says ipv6 is working but ipv4 is unsupported
[16:05] <bizolos> When I connect with my android, everything works and the website says the opposite ipv4 working and ipv6 not supported
[16:05] <Guy1524> cristian_c: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25794914/
[16:05] <bizolos> I'm connected now through network sharing, with my android, to be able to talk to you -_-
[16:06] <bizolos> Any idea what's going on?
[16:06] <ikonia> bizolos: talk to the cafe
[16:06] <bizolos> Well, I guess the waiters don't give a shit about my ipv6 problem that only happen on my ubuntu and not on my android
[16:07] <ikonia> bizolos: tone down the language
[16:07] <ikonia> there is no need for it and it's not welcome
[16:07] <bizolos> Seems all mac and windows users around me don't have any problem
[16:07] <bizolos> Sorry ikonia
[16:07] <jac76> The environment that the Live-CD loads also sees the display device as "UNCLAIMED" and uses the "default" display in VGA mode.  However, that VGA mode supports about 10 different display resolutions while the "installed" VGA default resolution is limited to 640x480 only.
[16:07] <bizolos> It was not said in an agressive way
[16:08] <ikonia> it doesn't matter if it's agressive or not, we don't need to see it, no problem though,
[16:08] <bizolos> Sure
[16:08] <cristian_c> Guy1524: apt-cache policy nvidia-387
[16:09] <jac76> What files can I pull from the Live-CD environment and put into the "installed" environment to give the "default" VGA mode the same 10 resolution choices?
[16:09] <ioria> jac76, xserver-xorg-video-openchrome is installed ?
[16:09] <jac76> No
[16:10] <jac76> not in either environment
[16:10] <Guy1524> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25794980/
[16:11] <cristian_c> why not 384?
[16:12] <jac76> In my reading there is a problem with xserver-xorg-video-openchrome before a ".6" version and the version I see available is what seems to be a ".5" versioin.
[16:12] <ioria> jac76,  if it's a fresh install i'd try to install it, and configure xorg.conf   ( i mean set resolution)
[16:14] <jac76> iora, the bug with "openchrome" seems to be that it disables the WiFi and I'd prefer not to do that.
[16:15] <ioria> jac76,   can you provide the bug's link ?
[16:15] <jac76> I just want the correct configuration files from the Live-CD environment, I'll copy them over, if I just knew which ones they were.
[16:15] <jac76> let me see if I can find the link to the bug
[16:18] <crcrcr> are there any channels where to discuss about hardware?
[16:19] <lotuspsychje> crcrcr: on ubuntu?
[16:19] <lotuspsychje> or general
[16:19] <crcrcr> general, #linux is blocked
[16:19] <TJ-> crcrcr: ##hardware
[16:19] <crcrcr> thanks
[16:19] <TJ-> crcrcr: and it's ##linux
[16:21] <jac76> iora, here is the link to the page that discusses the "bug" with Chromedriver. https://askubuntu.com/questions/916212/hp-2133-lubuntu-chrome9-screen-driver-conflicts-with-wifi
[16:24] <ioria> jac76,  do you have broadcom wifi chipeset ? or you have that exact hp model   ?
[16:25] <jac76> I have that exact hp model
[16:25] <ioria> ok
[16:26] <lotuspsychje> jac76: sudo lshw -C network can help
[16:26] <ioria> jac76,  1) you try anyway  to install the pkg  2) compile the .6 version  3) maybe you can use vesa
[16:26] <jac76> lotuspsychje, the networks in my "installed" environment are all working well.  I don't want to mess them up.
[16:28] <jac76> I just need the "default" VGA descriptor files from the Live-CD environment,  the Live-CD sees the display as "UNCLAIMED"  but the default VGA has 10 resolutions.  This has to be defined in a file somewhere.
[16:30] <lotuspsychje> jac76: that command wont mess up nothing, just to see wifi chipset/driver
[16:30] <jac76> Oh, I should say I'm working with 17.10 of lubuntu
[16:31] <hellrazor> alkisg: i fixed it manually was a little bit of pain but itworked thanks ;>
[16:32] <ioria> jac76,  try this :  sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf   and fill in it : http://paste.ubuntu.com/25795145/
[16:34] <jac76> lotuspsychje,  you are correct, the lshw command won't hurt anything, but I'm not having a problem with the network,... yet. The network devices are "BCM4311 802.11a/b/g" and "NetExtreme BCM5788 Gigabit Ethernet"
[16:35] <ioria> that's the cabled
[16:35] <CoderEurope> Hiya - where is the kubuntu community forum  localted ?
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> !kubuntu | CoderEurope
[16:36] <CoderEurope> so it is on here ? is it safe ? http://kubuntu.org/ (its not " https;\\ "
[16:37] <CoderEurope> ** [it is not https: )
[16:38] <kostkon> CoderEurope, https works fine on that url here
[16:38] <CoderEurope> https://kubuntu.org/ this one kostkon ?
[16:39] <kostkon> CoderEurope, yep
[16:39] <CoderEurope> okay thank-you and caio !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 okay
[16:39] <kostkon> fine
[16:41] <jac76> ioria,  I can try that, but the Live-CD doesn't have that "xorg.conf" file in it.  And it takes soooooo long to boot this thing back and forth between environments, once it running it fine, but booting... :(
[16:45] <spadev> hi
[17:08] <isene> How can I see what xft fonts I have on my system?
[17:11] <kaili> fc-list | grep xft
[17:11] <kaili> maybe
[17:11] <kaili> Hello anyway
[17:12] <kaili> I noticed something funny installing 17.10 today : it's possible to setup chinese input from the config panel on the livecd, but it's impossible once installed (pinyin input not showing up) !
[17:13] <oerheks> !kylin
[17:14] <oerheks> that work is already done
[17:15] <kaili> I don't want Chinese distrib interface, just want to type Chinese, which is working immediatly on livecd, not once installed ;)
[17:17] <kaili> Just saying because it's funny and shouldn't be that way
[17:18] <krytarik> kaili: I'd certainly investigate on this further.
[17:23] <jac76> ioria, putting those four lines into the xorg.conf file did the trick.  Now I have the correct resolution and the output of a "xrandr -q" command in the "installed" environment is the same as in the Live-CD environment.  I have been busily reading the "DEVICE SECTION" of the man page on xorg.conf but nothing specifically about the 4 lines you provided is shown.  Is there a way to query the xorg environment settings?
[17:24] <alkisg> hellrazor: cool, thanks for notifying; I'll fix my script for future use :)
[17:26] <jac76> Or does understanding the xorg environment require reading a 2 inch thick book and I should just shut up and be grateful?
[17:27] <ioria> jac76, what you mean exactly with 'query the xorg environment settings' ?
[17:28] <jac76> Something like the xrandr commands or the lshw command where I can query information about the parameters that are currently set.
[17:31] <ioria> jac76, well, apart the man pages, there is sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg   (but don't run it, it's very complicated)
[17:32] <Funeral> anyone else have slow chrome after 17.10?
[17:35] <jac76> In another completely different question from display resolution.... what is the current "best practices" concerning loading (or not) a flash player into lubuntu?
[17:36] <Guest51298> @jac76, I don't know about the official Ubuntu line, but since the wiki is a bit outdated, my take is to just install the official Adobe Projector since browsers are blocking flash now.
[17:38] <ioria> jac76,  flash has been deprecated and stuff, idk if still on... the package is in  lubuntu-restricted-extras or in flashplugin-installer; alternatively you use adobe from canocical partner
[17:38] <ioria> *canonical
[17:39] <lotuspsychje> Funeral: what graphics card?
[17:39] <sirru5h> eww flash is dicey ... I think Adobe has a sticky on their website " Patched Flash 0day"
[17:39] <ioria> jac76,  enable canonical in sources.list , update and install adobe-flashplugin
[17:40] <oerheks> i am sure, flash will not work on "CN896/VN896/P4M900 [Chrome 9 HC], just 2d
[17:41] <jac76> Ok,  I think I'll skip flash for now, youtube doesn't use it any more.  Though I may had to have loaded chrome on my ubuntu system to get video on on CBS.COM to play.  I have to watch my NCIS show somehow. :)
[17:42] <ioria> ok, jetro
[17:44] <jac76> And as a complete non-sequitur.... what is this "nano" stuff?... doesn't anybody use "vi" anymore?
[17:44] <nickdaly> since launchpad repeatedly fails to log me in because of some server error, can someone report this bug against cxref's xenial universe package?  https://gitlab.com/snippets/1680696
[17:45] <ioria> jac76, nano is simpler
[17:49] <jac76> When I first learned a BSD version of unix back in 89 it seemed like unix and vi were tied to each other and learning vi was a right of passage to your entry into the unix world.  Aaaahhhh for the days gone bye....  :)
[17:53] <lotuspsychje> nickdaly: a bug is pretty personal to gather your sysinfo, reccomended to bug yourself
[17:53] <kc-860> hola
[17:53] <lotuspsychje> !es | kc-860
[17:54] <Jordy> This tutorial doesn't make a DVD bootable? https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-burn-a-dvd-on-windows
[17:55] <oerheks> Jordy, a windows iso ? no
[17:56] <Jordy> No, a Ubuntu ISO
[17:56] <Jordy> I burned the iso on the disk as described in that tutorial, used the boot manager and picked my DVD drive, it booted to my HDD.
[17:57] <oerheks> oh, maybe you need to set somethin in your bios to boot from dvd
[17:57] <oerheks> normally, it would AFAIK
[17:58] <Jordy> It does boot from DVD with windows installation disks, but not the Ubuntu Live Disk I burned :/
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> Jordy: F12 at boot to choose startup items
[17:58] <Jordy> Odd.
[17:58] <Jordy> Yes, that's what I did as I mentioned "boot manager"
[17:58] <Jordy> I'll try Rufus now. *crosses fingers*
[18:00] <Funeral> lotuspsychje: nvidia
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> Funeral: can you test the same from the xorg session at login?
[18:02] <Funeral> ill try
[18:03] <isene> After upgrading from Ubuntu 17.04 to 17.10, my conky rendering suddenly has a one pixel gap between each line (See screenshot: http://isene.org/x/2017-10-22-195014_1042x519_scrot.png) - why? And how to fix?
[18:08] <mattyc> exit
[18:09] <Thunder_Tw> xD
[18:13] <geirha> isene: maybe the default font changed. Try changing the font conky uses
[18:17] <hacker> hi
[18:18] <hsiktas> while updating 17.04 to 17.10 I got "dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/bash_4.4-5ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack):"
[18:18] <hsiktas> cleaning apt's cache and redownloading it does not help
[18:19] <jac76> Jordy,  Although it won't make a difference on burning a CD/DVD I made a mistake when creating a bootable thumb drive for lubuntu.  I found an old thumb drive and to "clean/refresh" it I deleted the NTFS filesystem from it and created a FAT32 partition, as per instructions.  After it was formatted I used UNetbootin to "burn" the drive but when I tried to use it, it wouldn't boot!
[18:20] <jac76> So I downloaded the .iso again and checksummed it and "burned" to the thumb drive again and again it wouldn't boot.
[18:21] <jac76> It turned out that I forgot a very important thing when I used gparted to partition the drive,  to set the "boot" flag on that partition.
[18:23] <tomreyn> hsiktas: please post the entire output to a pastebin
[18:23] <tomreyn> !paste | hsiktas
[18:23] <mrchairman> I install 17.10 and there is no tasksel, how can I get it back???
[18:24] <tomreyn> mrchairman: do you mean during or after installation?
[18:24] <mrchairman> after
[18:25] <tomreyn> !info tasksel 17.10
[18:25] <tomreyn> !info tasksel artful
[18:25] <tomreyn> mrchairman: install the package of the same name
[18:26] <mrchairman> tomreyn, E: Unable to locate package tasksel
[18:28] <toni_> dfsa
[18:28] <toni_> what
[18:28] <toni_> the
[18:28] <Bearded> hello ppl.  i  installed 17.10 & nvidia driver 384 but can't  login with wayland session... it redirects me back to login screen ... xorg works just fine. any ideas ?
[18:28] <toni_> fuck
[18:28] <mrchairman> tomreyn, i got it
[18:29] <galileopy> Hello everyone, I'd like to know what should I know in order to debug an hdmi of an nvidia 960m port that seems to be broken.
[18:29] <galileopy> The port doesn't work in either linux or windows, but I still have hope since changin my laptop right now is not a viable option.
[18:29] <galileopy> I've read that the main tools that I'd need to understand are udev, modprobe and the nvidia drivers, also reading the info in /sys/class/drm/card0
[18:29] <galileopy> should be usefull.
[18:29] <galileopy> What steps can I take in order to be certain that it is a hardware issue and not just some soft change made to the drivers?
[18:29] <ikonia> toni_: stop with the language please
[18:29] <galileopy> sorry, I wrote it on mousepad, didn't know that it would break the message on linebreaks
[18:30] <ikonia> galileopy: if it's not working in linux or windows, I'd be questioning if it's actually working
[18:30] <ikonia> galileopy: I'd also try to get it working with Windows first to confirm its working as the Linux drivers are better supported at a compatability level
[18:31] <ikonia> (or easier to be supported I think is a better description)
[18:31] <galileopy> However linux let's me read events and query more info from the board than windows
[18:31] <Bashing-om> !sound | galileopy
[18:32] <galileopy> It stopped working without any significant event's happening, and I suspect that somehow the port got disabled by linux, since the likelihood of it just break out of thin are seem small
[18:33] <galileopy> s/are/air
[18:34] <galileopy> it doesn't show the hdmi output devices
[18:34] <TJ-> galileopy: the only way a port might be enabled is due to a bug in the motherboard's firmware ACPI
[18:35] <TJ-> galileopy: but if the port isn't working on a versions of Windows designed for that PC then that suggests a physical fault, such as solder fracturing
[18:36] <galileopy> ok,that makes sense, I while trying to fix it I upgraded the firmware of the mother board, and since then udev doesn't tell me anything when I plug/unplug a monitor to the port
[18:36] <TJ-> galileopy: has the connector been stressed by an HDMI plug being manipulated too roughly?
[18:36] <galileopy> It haven't I have it mounted on a desk and it lives there unbothered
[18:37] <TJ-> galileopy: One hope for you: 2 days ago a user with a similar problem found that an ACPI workaround made the HDMI port appear - but in that case Windows could see the port but Linux couldn't.  You could try the same workaround/fix
[18:37] <galileopy> I did consider a solder fracture, do you think I should open it and check the port and card with a microscope?
[18:37] <galileopy> Do you have a link TJ-?
[18:37] <TJ-> galileopy: read, and if you want to, apply the changes: http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[18:41] <galileopy> I did once changed my boot parameters to acpi_osi=!, you seem to be well versed with acpi, what does acpi_osi=! do?
[18:42] <TJ-> galileopy: it disables all the strings that Linux passes to the SCPI DSDT _OSI()
[18:42] <TJ-> galileopy: this fix does that and then ONLY passes a string that appears to be the most recent Windows XXXX version the DSDT supports
[18:43] <Stoatrebellion> Hello to all
[18:45] <ioria> !ping
[18:45] <galileopy> ohhh, ok nice
[18:46] <ChunkzZ> !isitoutyet
[18:47] <Fludixx> hi
[18:49] <aj_> hello
[18:50] <aj_> exit
[18:50] <galileopy> TJ- is this normal? the added line reads GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=" acpi_osi=! \"acpi_osi=Windows 2015\""
[18:50] <galileopy> the backlash there is something I haven't seen before
[18:50] <littlejohnny> Fludixx-
[18:51] <galileopy> shouldn't it be acpi_osi=\"Windows 2015\"?
[18:52] <TJ-> galileopy: that looks correct
[18:52] <TJ-> galileopy: that's to escape the following " so that the double-quote is actually inserted into the command line in /etc/grub/grub.cfg
[18:53] <TJ-> galileopy: it's needed due to the space in the "windows 2015" string, because command-line args are space-separate
[18:54] <galileopy> I understand why it is needed, I just worry that the whole parameter is being escaped, \"acpi_osi=Windows 2015\" vs acpi_osi=\"Windows 2015\"
[18:56] <galileopy> well I'll try it, is there any good readings on how /sys/class/drm works and what their files means?
[19:05] <laceylaney> HI guys. Booting from efi and nothing like grub ever appeared before. After a recent update I've started to see the grub menu appear on boot. Booting is now a tad slower than it was before. Any ideas why I'm now seeing the grub menu on boot ??
[19:06] <strive> laceylaney: Seems to me an update changed your GRUB config.
[19:06] <laceylaney> Thanks for the heads up ^^ Any way to fix it so that it was like mefore ??
[19:07] <buu> Hey, in an xrandr line, what are the last 3 numbers?    3840x2160     30.00*+  59.94    29.97    23.98
[19:08] <strive> laceylaney: I'm thinking /etc/default/grub will have some options.
[19:10] <strive> laceylaney: I also think you'll need to run update-grub after changes you've made.
[19:10] <pauchava> Hello babies
[19:10] <pauchava> How can I download Mozilla in Ubuntu?
[19:10] <Ben64> mozilla what
[19:11] <strive> Firefox?
[19:11] <pauchava> Yep.
[19:11] <Ben64> sudo apt install firefox
[19:11] <strive> ^
[19:11] <pauchava> I deleted by error.
[19:11] <pauchava> deleted it*
[19:11] <Ben64> how
[19:11] <snkcld> can anyone help me understand why my bluetooth headphones always want to connect as hsp, but to get the a2dp to work i always have to disconnect then reconnect the headphones?
[19:17] <TJ-> snkcld: I'm not sure but "bluetooctl" might help understand what is going on there. It could be something to do with order of protocol discovery, or something in the Linux bluetooth configuration
[19:17] <cerveira> I have Lubuntu and I've installed samba, but using PCManFM, when tring to access windows lan network, gives always timeout. I can access other device in linux, but not the devices in windows. Any ideia?
[19:20] <Derpydragon34> hi
[19:22] <strive> cerveira: You could try installing gvfs-backend.
[19:22] <strive> cerveira: On the client side that is.
[19:24] <strive> cerveira: Then, open your file manager and type ctrl+l and then typing smb://[ip of server]
[19:24] <cerveira> strive, gvfs-backends is already the newest version
[19:25] <cerveira> strive, it gives timeout again
[19:26] <cerveira> i'v tried smb://user@ip/ and it asks me for the password, but it also ends on timeout
[19:26] <strive> cerveira: Run this: smbclient //hostname/sharename -U username
[19:27] <strive> cerveira: smb://ip only
[19:27] <strive> Try that.
[19:27] <cerveira> I've tried that and the result was timeout
[19:29] <strive> Did you run that smbclient command?
[19:29] <cerveira> yes. result Connection to 192.168.1.1 failed (Error NT_STATUS_IO_TIMEOUT)
[19:31] <TJ-> cerveira: firewall?
[19:31] <strive> cerveira: What distro is your samba server running on?
[19:32] <strive> 192.168.1.1? Are you sure that isn't your default gateway? (router)
[19:32] <cerveira> strive, i' have samba only on this laptop (lubuntu zesty)
[19:33] <cerveira> no, router is .254
[19:33] <strive> So...what samba server are you trying to connect to?
[19:34] <TJ-> Trying to connect to a Windows host I think
[19:34] <ioria> cerveira, the windows folder is shared ?
[19:36] <strive> ^
[19:37] <cerveira> ioria, yes. I can access to the share folders in my windows laptop using my android smartphone and using raspberry with libreelec, but in Lubuntu it ends always in timeout...
[19:38] <ioria> cerveira, can you paste    smbclient -L  windowsPC-ip
[19:38] <cerveira> TJ-, yes, i'm tring to connect from Lubuntu to a windows laptop
[19:39] <TJ-> cerveira: have you got local firewall rules set on the Lubuntu PC?
[19:40] <ioria> cerveira,  sudo ufw status
[19:40] <cerveira> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25796509/
[19:41] <littlejohnny> .
[19:41] <ioria> cerveira,  bof
[19:41] <ioria> cerveira,  i see nothing
[19:42] <ioria> cerveira,  are you sure the win-lappy is 192.168.1.1 ?
[19:42] <TJ-> cerveira: can you reach the target with "ping 192.168.1.1"?
[19:42] <cerveira> yes I do
[19:43] <ioria> cerveira,  not always, but that is usually a router ip
[19:43] <cerveira> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/25796532/
[19:43] <tmuwa> have you tried "nmap -sT 192.168.1.1" ?
[19:44] <Tesla42> https://forge.tine20.org/view.php?id=13500
[19:44] <cerveira> ioria, .1 is my windows laptop, lubuntu is .2 and raspberry with libreelec is .6. And in this last one I can access .1 without problems
[19:45] <strive> Is the Windows laptop your default gateway?
[19:45] <cerveira> no
[19:45] <cerveira> my default gateway is .254
[19:45] <strive> That's pretty odd..'
[19:45] <strive> Type "route" please.
[19:46] <cerveira> not in a techicolor router
[19:46] <cerveira> technicolor*
[19:47] <cerveira> i have to install nmap and net-tools
[19:47] <TJ-> cerveira: "ip route show default"
[19:48] <ioria> cerveira,  sudo nmap  -O 192.168.1.1
[19:48] <strive> I would check to see if port 445 is open.
[19:49] <cerveira> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/25796569/
[19:49] <strive> I guess so.
[19:50] <strive> cerveira: Is Network Discovery on?
[19:50] <strive> In Windows.
[19:51] <TJ-> cerveira: as a test try "smbclient -b 1400 -L //192.168.1.1/"
[19:52] <cerveira> port 445 is not open in windows
[19:52] <TJ-> aha !
[19:52] <strive> cerveira: Check that Network Discovery is on, port 445 or 139 are open, check share folder permissions, uhm..
[19:53] <cerveira> so how can android and libreelec connect and lubuntu don't? that is what I don't understand
[19:53] <khangeek> I feel Ubuntu 17.10 is a bit buggy as compared to 16.04
[19:53] <alkisg> cerveira: also try putting the DNS in /etc/hosts: http://www.zero-effort.net/tip-of-the-day-protocol-negotiation-failed-nt_status_io_timeout/
[19:53] <cerveira> strive, 139 is open in windows
[19:53] <alkisg> *the hostname
[19:54] <strive> alkisg: cerveira is using actual IPs
[19:54] <Ben64> khangeek: well 16.04 is LTS, and been around for 18 months. 17.10 came out 3 days ago so that makes sense
[19:54] <alkisg> strive: smbclient might need reverse resolution
[19:54] <alkisg> *reverse lookup
[19:55] <alkisg> And the other clients might use wins or netbios or whatever
[19:55] <ioria> cerveira,  nmap output ?
[19:56] <khangeek> When can I expect bugs to be fixed?
[19:56] <khangeek> Just the DE bugs
[19:56] <strive> cerveira: Do you have cifs-utils installed?
[19:57] <tmuwa> exit
[19:58] <khangeek> btw, I am facing an issue with ttf-mscorefonts-installer
[19:58] <khangeek> any fix? There is a bug for it on launchpad though.
[19:59] <cerveira> strive, nmap results http://paste.ubuntu.com/25796662/
[20:00] <cerveira> i've just installed cifs-utils
[20:01] <strive> Ok, just curious; are you able to connect using smb://ip
[20:01] <cerveira> strive, I'm able to connect libreelec at .6 but not windows laptop at .1
[20:02] <strive> Ok, seems like it's a Windows thing.
[20:02] <cerveira> But i can connect .1 from libreelec and from a android phone
[20:23] <octavian> do I need something else for drag and drop feature on virtual box? I only have the virtualbox package installed
[20:24] <octavian> and it doesn't work
[20:24] <octavian> from host to guest
[20:32] <doug16k> ubuntu 17.10 upgrade screwed up my laptop. hangs at "[  OK  ] Started systemd-resolved-update-resolveconf.service"
[20:51] <`mist> heya fellas, sitting here trying to do a release upgrade but running into the whole full boot partition issue. I've tried autoremove --purge and purge-old-kernels as well as apt-get clean
[20:51] <`mist> Any ideas where i should go from here?
[20:52] <`mist> I've tried following most tips posted here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/345588/what-is-the-safest-way-to-clean-up-boot-partition
[20:54] <councill1r> first time out using this form of chat. part of my homework from mintcast
[20:55] <Bashing-om> Can not make out what your nick is mist .
[20:55] <`mist> its mist, with a ` infront heh
[20:55] <councill1r> councillor
[20:56] <Bashing-om> `mist, sorry, cannot see it in my font set . anyway pastebin ' dpkg -l | grep linux- ' . see what the story here is .
[20:57] <kostkon> `mist, also   df -h
[20:57] <`mist> on it, brb
[20:58] <`mist> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25797099/
[21:00] <Bashing-om> `mist: " iU  linux-generic " with the meta package not installed, will have to rillout sleeves up and go to work . 1st is clear out the clutter run :' dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/{print $2}' | xargs sudo dpkg -P ' .
[21:02] <`mist> done
[21:04] <darkad> hi all, trying to boot but on "pentium 4" pc I read : isolinux.bin missing corrupted
[21:04] <darkad> I just put the iso 32 bit on usb
[21:04] <darkad> by using etcher
[21:05] <Bashing-om> `mist: K. now a new ' dpkg -l | grep linux-  ' . and we drop down to dpkg's level to remove old kernels . What is the booting kernel ' uname -r '? as we must not mess with the booting kernel .
[21:06] <`mist> Bashing-om: so one machine its 3.13.0-107-generic and on the other 3.13.0-108-generic
[21:06] <kostkon> darkad, it's corrupted. It says so. Try burning it again. Other apps to consider: rufus, unetbootin
[21:06] <Bashing-om> `mist: K, we do not mess with these kernels :)
[21:07] <`mist> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25797152/ and http://paste.ubuntu.com/25797151/
[21:07] <globe_Tmp> Hi
[21:07] <darkad> kostkon, I suspect there is another kind of problem
[21:07] <globe_Tmp> i am running ubuntu xenial and trying to install etheruem
[21:07] <darkad> kostkon, but now I'll try with unebootin
[21:07] <kostkon> !verify | darkad, also, this
[21:07] <globe_Tmp> following https://gavofyork.gitbooks.io/turboethereum/content/chapter1.html
[21:08] <`mist> globe_Tmp: probably better ask in #ethereum or something like that
[21:08] <`mist> Bashing-om: in case i forget to say later, thank you! =)
[21:08] <darkad> ubottu, I verified
[21:08] <globe_Tmp> `mist: ok thanks
[21:10] <Bashing-om> `mist: You are not the 1st to be in this situation . gimme a bit to craft up the dpkg command .
[21:10] <isene> geirha: I tried all kinds of fonts - same issue with all of them. I tried asking on #conky - but no answer.
[21:10] <root> dsdsd
[21:11] <kostkon> !root | Guest86907
[21:11] <kostkon> oops
[21:12] <kostkon> !rootirc
[21:13] <scoopex> *grmpf* i discovered that clipit (my clipboard manager tool) does not work with ubuntu 17.10/wayland/gnome does not work anymore correctly because hotkeys cannot be capured coorectly......is there a good clipboard manager for wayland/gnome?
[21:21] <Bashing-om> `mist: run : ' sudo dpkg -P linux-image{,-extra}-3.13.0-{74,85,86,87,91,97}-generic linux-headers-3.13.0-{74,85,86,87,91,97}{,-generic} ' Advise when done and we continue.
[21:23] <ghost__> high all
[21:23] <`mist> on both machines Bashing-om?
[21:24] <TJ-> kostkon: that root thing is a bit annoying; anyone working from containers will be operating as root
[21:24] <`mist> one machine said this https://thepasteb.in/p/y8h65vm9mBlsO
[21:24] <Bashing-om> `mist: If both machines have the 3.13.0-74,85,86,87,91,97, then yes, else adjust the command for the present kernels versions .
[21:25] <`mist> the other
[21:25] <darkad> kostkon, with unetbotin it didn't work. Now I tried dd and after a sync command
[21:25] <william> hola
[21:25] <kostkon> TJ-, interesting
[21:27] <globe_tmp> ?
[21:27] <globe_tmp> anybody using ethereum
[21:27] <kostkon> darkad, ok. Does this happen with other isos as well?
[21:28] <`mist> so i adjusted to the first machine and it did remove some headers but it also vomited alot of scary stuff
[21:28] <akik> TJ-: you can have user accounts in containers as elsewhere
[21:29] <`mist> boot is currently at 31% and 44%. Should we continue or can i resume the system upgrade?
[21:29] <darkad> kostkon, with dd i have a bliking cursor
[21:30] <Bashing-om> `mist: Let's work one machine at a time as they do have differeing kernels .
[21:30] <`mist> ok
[21:30] <darkad> kostkon, I had an old slackel on dvd and it works
[21:31] <`mist> so this is where we're at Bashing-om: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25797299/
[21:31] <kostkon> darkad, is it Ubuntu or something lighter like Lubuntu?
[21:31] <kostkon> darkad, I doubt you'll easily manage to boot Ubuntu, 17.10 is it?, on a P4
[21:32] <darkad> kostkon, it derived from slackware and it's lighter, but it's so old
[21:32] <darkad> kostkon, really?
[21:33] <darkad> kostkon, I'm trying the minimal ubuntu, I would start from console
[21:33] <TJ-> akik: you can but especially when working with unprivileged containers the default root inside it is the one we use
[21:33] <doug16k> now I am getting a bunch of random "starting user manager for UID <various numbers> / Stopped user manager for <same number>" - followed by systemd-resolved-update-resolveconf.service hang
[21:35] <kostkon> darkad, so you are saying that Ubuntu minimal booted fine and gave you a terminal prompt?
[21:35] <doug16k> ...and now it boots. about 3/4 chance for it to hang on boot at systemd-resolved-update-resolveconf.service :(
[21:36] <ghost__> reboot script class
[21:36] <darkad> kostkon, I'm trying 'to install' the Ubuntu Minimal but it didn't boot
[21:36] <Bashing-om> `mist: Hummm .. OK .. run ' sudo dpkg -P linux-image-extra-3.13.0-{74,85,86,87,91}-generic " .
[21:37] <kostkon> darkad, ok
[21:37] <akik> doug16k: that is a real service name? :o
[21:37] <`mist> that did not go well at all Bashing-om
[21:38] <`mist> https://thepasteb.in/p/LghNnxMBgQxUZ
[21:38] <Bashing-om> `mist: Well ! .. Ok .. show me what happened :)
[21:39] <`mist> see thepasteb.in link above
[21:39] <doug16k> akik that's what the boot log is telling me, [  OK  ] followed by that. it says that just before it stops. it isn't froze though, keystrokes put crap on the screen and ctrl-alt-del-del-del will make it reboot, alt-sysrq-s-u-b works too
[21:39] <kostkon> darkad, if it's 17.10, you could try with 16.04, a bit older and still supported
[21:41] <darkad> kostkon, are you sure ?
[21:41] <kostkon> darkad, I'm sure, why?
[21:42] <Bashing-om> `mist: Well , that is totally unexpected . // now how did you install the 4.4.0-97 jernel .. as I consider what we are to do .
[21:42] <Bashing-om> kernel*
[21:42] <darkad> kostkon, are you sure that 16.04 is supported on pentium 4 and 17.10 not?
[21:43] <kostkon> darkad, I mean it's supported with updates. But it's a bit older, so it might boot
[21:43] <doug16k> akik, it's there in /lib/systemd/system
[21:43] <`mist> Bashing-om: i'm doing a release upgrade
[21:44] <darkad> kostkon, thanks for your time anyway
[21:44] <kostkon> darkad, np
[21:44] <akik> doug16k: sorry i haven't installed 17.10 yet. was just curious
[21:46] <Bashing-om> `mist: And did it the release upgrade complete ? what shows for the sources ' cat -n /etc/apt/sources.list ' .
[21:47] <`mist> no it failed Bashing-om
[21:48] <`mist> /paste.ubuntu.com/25797424/
[21:48] <Bashing-om> `mist: Oh my :( show me the sources list file . see what we can do .
[21:49] <adrian_1908> It seems that CPU frequency scaling no longer happens on my system, this must be after I switched from 16.10 to 17.10, I hadn't even noticed until yesterday. Did anyone else report anything? Afaik I didn't have to do anything before, it worked out of the box. Sandybridge-E processor.
[21:49] <`mist> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25797433/
[21:51] <`mist> this is what do-release-upgrade says http://paste.ubuntu.com/25797446/
[21:55] <Bashing-om> `mist: Yeah . Good news is that you are pulling from the xenial repo . and we knew [your: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25797151/] we have a problem with the meta packaging " iU  linux-generic " . where we want that leading iU to be ii in all instances .
[21:57] <`mist> Sooo is he going to survive doctor? =x
[21:58] <TJ-> Bashing-om: `mist ... I think the key is to solve "Can't open /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf" since that is what is causing dpkg to fail when running the postint script
[22:01] <`mist> ah
[22:01] <Bashing-om> `mist: TJ- :)) --  Let's try this and see what the package manager will do for us now : ' sudo apt autoclean ; sudo apt autoremove ; sudo apt clean ; sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade ; sudo apt -f install ; sudo dpkg --configure -a ; sudo dpkg -C ' . see where we go from here . See what then happens with " /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf" .
[22:02] <TJ-> Bashing-om: if the release-upgrade failed with the initramfs-tools package then /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf may have been in the middle of a rename move. Check for that with "ls -al /etc/initramfs-tools/"
[22:03] <Bashing-om> TJ-: `mist ^^ will as I have it up on my 16.04 install to compare .
[22:05] <`mist> so all of those commands are basically failing with the same errors Bashing-om
[22:05] <`mist> so this might be a problem
[22:05] <`mist> ls: cannot access '/etc/initramfs-tools/': No such file or directory
[22:06] <Bashing-om> `mist: Then TJ- is so wise !! .. we got to find a way to fix that script .
[22:08] <Bashing-om> `mist: ^^ a fact try as ' ls -al /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf ' .
[22:10] <`mist> no such file
[22:11] <TJ-> Bashing-om: `mist so the directory is missing!?!
[22:11] <`mist> aye
[22:11] <TJ-> `mist: which release version were you starting from, and which were you upgrading to?
[22:11] <Bashing-om> TJ-: Cinfirmeing is not a typo on the posters part :)
[22:13] <Bashing-om> TJ-: `mist If that file is missing . what else is hosed up ??.. Is it worth the time and effort to try and fix this install ?
[22:14] <`mist> well one of them is my plex server.... i guess i can back up the db and stuff
[22:16] <Bashing-om> `mist: I am all for trying to save it . IF it is possible , I will always defer to TJ-'s knowledge .
[22:17] <MortyTS> i'm unable to install amdgpu-pro driver.. any idea what to do about these errors? https://pastebin.com/NhKfPJaG
[22:17] <TJ-> `mist: which release version were you starting from, and which were you upgrading to?
[22:18] <erva> what happend if i accept EULA license terms ??
[22:19] <erva> is it legal to download ttf-mscorefonts-installer ?
[22:19] <tgm4883> erva: did you read the license?
[22:19] <pc> no
[22:20] <erva> i wanted to install notepad plus plus
[22:20] <Bashing-om> !info ttf-mscorefonts-installer artful | erva
[22:20] <tgm4883> erva: that's not an answer to my question...
[22:20] <aolim> i'm tring to install the latest docker ce but i get "package docker-ce has no install candidate" even when following https://docs.docker.com/engine/installation/linux/docker-ce/ubuntu/ "installing from repo" to a tee
[22:21] <Guest81194> who am i nickserv
[22:21] <tgm4883> aolim: what release are you on?
[22:21] <ubuntu_> 14 04 flashdrive
[22:21] <erva> i did read the terms
[22:21] <oerheks> ttf-mscorefonts-installer is part of ubuntu-restricted-extras
[22:22] <aolim> oh sorry zesty tgm4883
[22:22] <erva> so your advice guys
[22:22] <erva> that i should not accept the terms
[22:23] <Bashing-om> erva: If you do not accept the terms , fine .. then will not install .
[22:23] <erva> bashing-om should i accept the terms ?
[22:24] <dax> erva: #ubuntu does not provide legal advice. If you are concerned about the licensing of non-free software that you want to use, please consult a qualified professional.
[22:24] <Bashing-om> erva: If you want the fonts; then there is no other option .
[22:25] <erva> is it legal to download it ?? this is my question
[22:25] <tgm4883> erva: we are not lawyers...
[22:26] <tgm4883> erva: even if we were, surely we wouldn't know the laws in whatever jurisdiction you happen to be in
[22:26] <erva> i live in germany it's really hard to know
[22:26] <jerichowasahoax> erva: you're fine
[22:27] <oerheks> for personal use, you are fine
[22:27] <erva> i want to install exe apps
[22:27] <jerichowasahoax> for being in the european union in general, you're fine
[22:27] <Sveta`> erva: as an alternative, you could use #law or #gnu or the fsf has a licencing compliance team (but the fsf's one is only for free software licences, not for proprietary stuff)
[22:27] <Sveta`> erva: ubuntu allows you to install exe apps using wine, but we are not familiar with their eula. reading the terms of use and licence agreements is up to you
[22:28] <erva> i did it with wine
[22:28] <Sveta`> erva: you need to read the terms and consider whether (a) your usage would be fit for them and (b) whether you find these terms ethical. often they are not ethical. some people consider proprietary software to be non-ethical either
[22:29] <Sveta`> erva: does it work?
[22:29] <tgm4883> personally I'd just use a native text editor...
[22:29] <erva> yes it works
[22:29] <Sveta`> notepad++ is foss, its eula should be ok
[22:29] <oerheks> !ide
[22:30] <tgm4883> Sveta`: I don't believe that was ever the question
[22:30] <erva> but the next step is accepting the terms
[22:30] <Sveta`> tgm4883: well he/she was installing notepad++ with wine and asked 'should i accept the terms', and i suspect its terms of use are harmless so..
[22:30] <oerheks> press space
[22:31] <Sveta`> erva: read them and make a decision, it's legally binding in some circumstances
[22:31] <tgm4883> Sveta`: the question regarding the terms was for  ttf-mscorefonts-installer, not notepad++
[22:31] <Sveta`> erva: then ask a next question
[22:31] <cerveira> TJ-, it was windows related. I opened 445 in firewall and now it's working. Tks
[22:31] <Sveta`> tgm4883: oh ok
[22:31] <Sveta`> i would not recommend to use mscorefonts :)
[22:31] <TJ-> cerveira: makes sense
[22:31] <oerheks> space, or [tab]
[22:31] <Sveta`> apart from that, just make a choice yourself
[22:32] <Sveta`> its your computer so you decide what to put and what not to put
[22:32] <Sveta`> my recommendation is based on the licensing, i like to be able to modify the fonts i use. this may not be the case for you.
[22:32] <cerveira> TJ-, now I know that lubuntu is using only 445 for lan.
[22:33] <erva> Hmmm alright but i thought this was clear
[22:33] <oerheks> Risuschartulaphobia
[22:33] <jerichowasahoax> erva: since when are licenses ever clear
[22:34] <erva> like torrent is clear
[22:34] <Sveta`> whatever 'clear' means in this context
[22:34] <erva> using torrent is illegal
[22:34] <erva> and everybody know that
[22:34]  * tgm4883 sighs
[22:34] <jerichowasahoax> only if you don't have permission to download whatever file it is by torrent
[22:35] <Sveta`> erva: no, torrent is ok, ubuntu can be downloaded over torrent officially
[22:35] <tgm4883> erva: do you have a non-licensing question?
[22:35] <tgm4883> as in, an actual support question
[22:35] <`mist> TJ-: i'm going from the latest 14 to 16
[22:35] <Sveta`> erva: torrent is bad only when you start to download illegal content over it
[22:36] <TJ-> `mist: what do you get from "dpkg -l initramfs-tools"
[22:36] <erva> IMPORTANT-READ CAREFULLY: This Microsoft End-User License Agreement ("EULA") is a legal agreement between you (either an individual or a single entity) and Microsoft Corporation for the Microsoft software accompanying this EULA, which includes computer software and may include associated media, printed materials, and "on-line" or electronic documentation ("SOFTWARE PRODUCT" or "SOFTWARE"). By exercising your rights to
[22:37] <erva> make and use copies of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT, you agree to be bound by the terms of this EULA. If you do not agree to the terms of this EULA, you may not use the SOFTWARE PRODUCT.
[22:37] <erva> SOFTWARE PRODUCT LICENSE The SOFTWARE PRODUCT is protected by copyright laws and international copyright treaties, as well as other intellectual property laws and treaties. The SOFTWARE PRODUCT is licensed, not sold.
[22:37] <erva> 1. GRANT OF LICENSE. This EULA grants you the following rights:
[22:37] <erva>  • Installation and Use. You may install and use an unlimited number
[22:37] <erva>  of copies of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT.
[22:37] <jerichowasahoax> oh dear
[22:37] <erva>  • Reproduction and Distribution. You may reproduce and distribute
[22:37] <dax> oh for god's sake
[22:37] <erva>  an unlimited number of copies of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT; provided
[22:37] <tgm4883> lol
[22:37] <tgm4883> dax: thanks
[22:37] <`mist> iF  initramfs-tools                    0.122ubuntu8.9         all                    generic modular initramfs generator (automation)
[22:38] <`mist> btw i tried rebooting the machine and it didntt come up after that
[22:38] <`mist> reverted to snapshot
[22:38] <TJ-> !info initramfs-tools trusty
[22:38] <`mist> unfortunately, i didn't snapshot before starting the upgrade
[22:38] <TJ-> !info initramfs-tools xenial
[22:38] <TJ-> `mist: so, it's got a partial install of the 16.04 version of initramfs-tools
[22:39] <`mist> hmkay
[22:39] <TJ-> `mist: see if the package is in the archive: "ls /var/cache/apt/archives/initramfs-tools*"
[22:40] <`mist> there is no archives folder
[22:41] <TJ-> `mist: are you sure you're looking into the correct rootfs? all these missing bits suggests either you're looking in the wrong file-system, or it's damaged beyond repair
[22:42] <TJ-> `mist: or, does that system have a separate file-system for /var/ maybe?
[22:42] <`mist> my bad TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/25797744/
[22:42] <TJ-> `mist: empty! oh crikey, did you do that "apt clean" Bashing-om suggested? that'll have wiped it out
[22:43] <`mist> aye
[22:43] <`mist> =(
[22:44] <TJ-> `mist: are you using a liveISO to work with it right now?
[22:44] <`mist> no, reverted to snapshot taken right before reboot
[22:44] <Bashing-om> TJ-: `mist : initramfs-tools-core: ??
[22:44] <TJ-> `mist: oh, so it booted so far?
[22:44] <`mist> nono, it completely died
[22:44] <`mist> like i said, i had to revert
[22:45] <`mist> (but not far back enough to be able to save the machine from the current state)
[22:45] <TJ-> `mist: so right now what are we looking at? the snapshot mounted in the original 14.04 system image?
[22:45] <`mist> Sorry for being confusing. It's a vmware snapshot
[22:46] <`mist> so basically i just reverted the memory state to pre-reboot
[22:46] <`mist> We're in the machine at the moment
[22:46] <TJ-> `mist: I'm confused. What host is running vmware?
[22:47] <`mist> esxi is running the vm
[22:47] <`mist> metal -> esxi -> ubuntuvm
[22:47] <TJ-> `mist: ok, so if ubuntuvm won't boot how are you currently exploring its file-system?
[22:48] <TJ-> `mist: i'm trying to determine what tools you'll have available in order to do a recovery
[22:48] <`mist> So what happened was i did do-release-upgrade, it failed, we did a bunch of commands. I then took a snapshot of the machine.
[22:49] <`mist> I then rebooted the machine and it didn't work
[22:49] <`mist> So i reverted to the snapshot to pre-reboot
[22:49] <`mist> so you can completely disregard the reboot
[22:49] <`mist> it's as if we went back in time
[22:50] <TJ-> `mist: right, so the VM itself is running right now ?
[22:50] <`mist> yes
[22:50] <TJ-> `mist: right, that's what didn't make sense when you said it wouldn't boot. So, let's see if fetching/installing a couple of packages manually will get out of the bind.
[22:51] <Geo> Hi, when running apt-get update:  "W: The repository 'http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-security Release' does not have a Release file." along with several others of the same genre... any thoughts as to why? fresh install
[22:51] <TJ-> `mist: I assume you're working as 'root' right now in the VM?
[22:51] <`mist> yes
[22:51] <TJ-> `mist: And does the VM have working network ?
[22:52] <`mist> yes
[22:52] <TJ-> `mist: OK. Then check you have "which wget" > /usr/bin/wget
[22:52] <`mist> yup that's in there
[22:52] <Sveta`> Geo: what does your /etc/apt/sources.list look like? pastebin please :)
[22:52] <zamanf> I am looking for a way to limit the bandwidth on specific applications. Is it possible?
[22:53] <TJ-> `mist: then do "cd /var/cache/apt/archives; wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/i/initramfs-tools/initramfs-tools_0.122ubuntu8.9_all.deb"
[22:53] <TJ-> `mist: oh, and what architecture is the VM, amd64 or i386?
[22:53] <`mist> amd64
[22:53] <TJ-> `mist: ok, and now do "wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/i/initramfs-tools/initramfs-tools-core_0.122ubuntu8.9_all.deb"
[22:53] <Geo> Sveta`: https://hub.docker.com/r/library/ubuntu/ ;)
[22:53] <Sveta`> zamanf: i am told that 'trickle' app does this
[22:54] <Geo> listed there... all matches
[22:54] <rullie> zamanf: do you know the port it uses? i think ethtool can do it
[22:54] <`mist> uhm
[22:54] <`mist> ok, but isn't that the same file twice?
[22:55] <TJ-> `mist: no. one is -core. Once you have them let's try installing those two: "dpkg  -Ri ." (don't miss out the dot)
[22:55] <Sveta`> Geo: yours is like this, yes? http://paste.ubuntu.com/25797814/
[22:55] <zamanf> its a vmware machine
[22:55] <`mist> aha, i'm blind, yes i got those TJ-
[22:55] <Geo> Sveta`: https://pastebin.com/aKwsZCdw
[22:55] <Geo> sorry, just took me a second to get to it
[22:56] <Geo> didn't mean to be glib!
[22:56] <TJ-> `mist: if they install without errors reported, try "apt-get -f install" to see if the logjam on removing the kernel images can be sorted out
[22:56] <`mist> dpkg -i <package>?
[22:56] <TJ-> `mist: "dpkg -Ri ."
[22:57] <`mist> it failed, can't open /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf
[22:57] <TJ-> `mist: that's the dpkg command?
[22:58] <`mist> https://thepasteb.in/p/58hgLmnDMkJIv
[22:58] <anon000> Hi all! Can you successfully boot up if all the dir-s in your / are symlinks?
[22:59] <`mist> btw the core package installed correctly TJ-
[22:59] <Bashing-om> `mist: The dot !
[22:59] <`mist> oic, well that failed to
[22:59] <`mist> same error
[23:00] <TJ-> `mist: it can't be; it contains  /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf
[23:01] <`mist> https://thepasteb.in/p/zmh8olPl3PziZ
[23:01] <TJ-> `mist: try "dpkg --force-all -i initramfs-tools-core-_0.122ubuntu8.9_all.deb "
[23:01] <Sveta`> Geo: that's interesting... wait a few mins
[23:02] <Geo> sure thing
[23:02] <TJ-> `mist: bah, i left a stray hyphen in there; you'll need to remove it before the underscore
[23:02] <Geo> ...which part is intereseting?
[23:02] <Geo> I grepped out the comments, if thats what you're referencing
[23:02] <Sveta`> the part where it looks all good, but gives that error
[23:02] <Geo> ah
[23:02] <Geo> haha
[23:02] <Sveta`> :)
[23:02] <Geo> I've tried looking at DNS as a source, but that all seems to be ok
[23:03] <`mist> after the core-
[23:03] <`mist> OOoooo
[23:03] <`mist> promising
[23:04] <`mist> https://thepasteb.in/p/Rghnq9KM7PXIz
[23:04] <Geo> https://pastebin.com/bMBr3c63
[23:04] <Geo> ^^ Sveta`, thats the full paste of the errors
[23:04] <Geo> may give you more context
[23:04] <Geo> but you can see the IP is resolving properly (or so it appears)
[23:04] <Sveta`> Geo: I'm kind of wondering whether the last 4 lines are redundant,t hey're not in the example provided.. they have another url (security.ubuntu.com instead of archives.ubuntu.com)
[23:04] <Geo> so I'm just out of ideas
[23:05] <TJ-> `mist: now retry "apt-get -f install"
[23:05] <Sveta`> Geo: could copy from your example verbatim and re-try after making a spare copy of your current sources.list
[23:05] <`mist> it's asking if i want to remove some kernels
[23:05] <`mist> do i go ahead?
[23:06] <TJ-> `mist: those are the ones you marked for purging earlier aren't they? the ones Bashing-om was helping you with?
[23:06] <TJ-> `mist: versions 3.13 or something?
[23:06] <Geo> Sveta`: er, sorry... who copy what from where?
[23:06] <`mist> yes, those are he ones
[23:06] <Sveta`> Geo: well https://hub.docker.com/r/library/ubuntu/  does not have any security.ubuntu.com lines in the sources.list provided, but yours does
[23:07] <Geo> ok. Did you see the full paste though? it looks like every single one in that list fails
[23:07] <TJ-> `mist: go ahead then
[23:08] <`mist> oooooooo it's doing stuff but its not happy
[23:08] <TJ-> `mist: if that works we then know that the packaging system is getting back to normal, which means there's a chance to complete the upgrade
[23:08] <`mist> complaining about alot of things that are not there
[23:08] <TJ-> `mist: show us a pastebin
[23:09] <Sveta`> Geo: are you using docker? or you're using ubuntu as a desktop
[23:09] <`mist> it's still going  https://thepasteb.in/p/1jhnNyvMy55HB
[23:09] <Geo> docker
[23:09] <`mist> but it's repeating that stuff for each kernel it seems
[23:10] <TJ-> `mist: that's OK --- if the kernels were already partially removed then those are expected
[23:11] <`mist> well it seems to have ended well
[23:11] <`mist> https://thepasteb.in/p/vghOzmMEK9Bi3
[23:11] <anon000> hi! is it possible to boot up if your file hierarchy is not in the disk root but in a subdirectory on the disk?
[23:11] <Sveta`> Geo: I'm out of ideas, if you re-ask the whole question including details (usage of docker, full pastebin of the error message and your sources.list) someone may be able to propose a solution
[23:12] <Geo> no worries, the 'it looks like it should work' is enough for the moment
[23:12] <Geo> I've done this 100 times the exact same way, so I don't think its me
[23:12] <Geo> I know the maintainer of that image, maybe they changed something. I'll ask him when he's around tomorrow
[23:13] <TJ-> `mist: OK, let's see if you can get back on-track: "apt full-upgrade"
[23:13] <Geo> thanks for the sanity check though
[23:13] <TJ-> `mist: if things are missing I'm expecting it'll suggest installing a LOT of packages
[23:13] <`mist> nothing is missing
[23:13] <`mist> 0 0 0 0 0
[23:13] <Bashing-om> `mist: Looks promising .. show now a new ' dpkg -l | grep linux- ' .
[23:13] <`mist> 0 upped, installed, remove and not upgraded
[23:14] <Geo> well, debian does the same thing
[23:14] <Geo> so maybe it *is* me
[23:14] <Geo> meh
[23:14] <`mist> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25797926/
[23:14] <Sveta`> Geo: please ping me and share the solution in here when you find it, I;d really like to know!
[23:14] <TJ-> `mist: "update-grub"
[23:14] <`mist> done
[23:14] <TJ-> `mist: oh, that's already been triggered by the apt earlier!
[23:15] <`mist> brb toilet
[23:15] <TJ-> `mist: right, so in *theory* it might be in a bootable state
[23:15] <Geo> sure
[23:17] <TJ-> Geo: is there a transparent caching proxy in between your systems and the archive servers?
[23:17] <TJ-> Geo: your own, or your ISP?
[23:17] <Bashing-om> `mist: TJ- : See what grub has set ' ls -al /vmlinuz* /initrd.img* ' .
[23:17] <Geo> TJ-: this box is in a datacenter, so i don't know
[23:17] <TJ-> Bashing-om: the pastebin shows that  https://thepasteb.in/p/vghOzmMEK9Bi3
[23:17] <Geo> but I would bet yes- they have all kinds of crazy stuff that makes my life miserable
[23:18] <TJ-> Geo: does debian have https for its archives? if so, try changing to those from http
[23:18] <Geo> apt on the host machine works fine
[23:18] <TJ-> Geo: I know Ubuntu doesn't unfortunately, or didn't last time I checked
[23:19] <TJ-> Geo: some local cache then? apt-cacher-ng or squid-deb-proxy maybe?
[23:19] <Geo> I'll ask the folks, i don't know myself
[23:19] <`mist> TJ-: it's pointing to 4.4 files
[23:19] <TJ-> `mist: I'd say try a reboot
[23:20] <`mist> lets do it!
[23:22] <erialdo> hello
[23:23] <`mist> omg it's alive!!!!
[23:23] <erialdo> how can i split the screen in four
[23:23] <erialdo> i have ubuntu mate
[23:23] <zamanf> is it possible to block the internet access for a specific application?
[23:23] <TJ-> `mist: sounds like time to party then :)
[23:23] <erialdo> is there any way to split in four without the need of external apps
[23:23] <`mist> ermahgurd
[23:23] <`mist> i thought the vm was lost =)
[23:24] <Bashing-om> `mist: \o/ ! .. Rinse and repeat on machine 2 ??
[23:24] <TJ-> zamanf: it is, if you know it's process ID. the kernel firewall (controlled by the iptables application) can set rules based on process ID, but not name, so each time the application starts you'd have to re-write the rule. You could use a wrapper shell-script for that
[23:24] <`mist> i was doing the same thing on both machines ^^
[23:25] <`mist> both are alive
[23:25] <TJ-> `mist: something was wrong then for them both to break the same way
[23:25] <erialdo> @zmamanf i think there are external apps like douane
[23:25] <zamanf> ok, I am going to google what you said
[23:25] <zamanf> ty
[23:26] <`mist> TJ-: i assume i did the same mistake on both of them
[23:26] <erialdo> I need to split the screen in four in ubuntu mate
[23:26] <`mist> because i was able to save another 3 machines myself
[23:26] <erialdo> I can with two (ctrl + alt + 4 and 6)
[23:26] <erialdo> but not with four
[23:26] <erialdo> any idea?
[23:28] <`mist> thank you very much Bashing-om and TJ
[23:28] <TJ-> `mist: give them a through check-over :)
[23:28] <Bashing-om> `mist: TJ- gets the cookies on this one . :)
[23:28] <`mist> ^^
[23:29]  * TJ- hasn't even yet... I'm off to the kitchen for cookies for real.
[23:29] <`mist> i've disabled automatic updates and will be managing everything through salt stack from here on
[23:29] <`mist> thats mainly the reason why i upgraded them. So i would only need one repo
[23:35] <erialdo> sorry if I come as spammy but does anybody know to split the screen in four in ubuntu mate
[23:35] <erialdo> if it is possible
[23:43] <kusfedora> hi guys, in general if I apt install docker.io in artful without adding any third party repository, can I assume I will get security updates from Ubuntu for docker.io as well?
[23:47] <compdoc> for that version
[23:49] <kusfedora> yeah, don't need the latest (:
[23:49] <aariz> .
[23:58] <segersjerry> Hi, I'm trying to compile the newest version of mandelbulber, and it requires the joypad part of qt, and I can't figure out what package has it, do any of you know?
[23:59] <espacito> sorry