[06:38] <didrocks> good morning
[06:40] <flocculant> morning didrocks - all aboard the night train to Bravus Buffalo is it :p
[06:46] <didrocks> hey flocculant! oh, the name was announced?
[06:46]  * didrocks didn't read rss feeds yet
[06:46] <flocculant> nah - I have the devil in me :p
[06:48] <didrocks> haha ;)
[06:49] <flocculant> last 3 days at old job ... woke up with a 'this is going to be fun' attitude :p
[06:49] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers!
[06:51] <didrocks> roh ;)
[06:51] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN !
[06:52] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks, ça va?
[07:03]  * oSoMoN takes cat to vet, bbiab
[07:13] <MrGreen> Hello
[07:13] <MrGreen> What is the name for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS ?
[07:14] <flocculant> MrGreen: no idea yet
[07:15] <jamesh> MrGreen: like previous releases, you'll probably find out first at http://www.markshuttleworth.com/
[07:15] <jamesh> there hasn't been an announcement yet
[07:16] <MrGreen> for the 17.10, he had not announced.
[07:16] <acheronuk> though Mark did not blog for artful
[07:16] <flocculant> all that aside - we don't know yet :)
[07:17] <acheronuk> for Artful the first sign was the name changing here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+series
[07:17] <acheronuk> but who knows this time
[07:19] <didrocks> oSoMoN: doing fine, thanks! yourself (apart your cat? :/)
[07:48] <dupondje> didrocks: I guess you know why gdm3 doesn't show Wayland session option on a Nouveau/Intel optimus laptop? :)
[07:49] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:49] <didrocks> dupondje: I heard that there is some issues on hybrid card
[07:50] <didrocks> dupondje: I think the most effective is to report your configuraiton on GNOME bugzilla so that upstream can debug it
[07:50] <didrocks> hey seb128
[07:50] <didrocks> dupondje: also, there is a version of gnome-shell/mutter in proposed which worth a try
[07:51] <didrocks> dupondje: so I would say, first install those versions from proposed ^ and reboot. Some had wayland crashes (and so, fallback to Xorg), and on their config, they can run wayland again
[07:51] <dupondje> oh! i'll check that out tonight (when I'm back on my optimus laptop)
[07:51] <dupondje> thanks for the info!
[07:51] <seb128> re didrocks :)
[07:52] <duflu> dupondje, sounds like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1724583
[07:52] <Trevinho> didrocks: I opened a bug about sendin more infos from g-s with apport unpack, can we SRU that once you land next one?
[07:52] <Trevinho> didrocks: also, I noticed in some places no extensionst list are exported, is that the case?
[07:52] <Trevinho> as it would be useful to debug some things
[07:53] <Trevinho> *err* not apport-unpack, I meant apport-retrace
[07:53] <Trevinho> or whatever its called the tool that attaches stuff to LP
[07:53] <oSoMoN> didrocks, doing fine, and cat is fine too, just a minor allergy that's under control
[07:53] <oSoMoN> hey seb128, Trevinho
[07:53] <didrocks> Trevinho: sure, we can do that with .2 for instance
[07:53] <Trevinho> hi oSoMoN
[07:53] <seb128> lut oSoMoN
[07:53] <seb128> hey duflu
[07:53] <duflu> Hey seb128.
[07:54] <duflu> And Europe wakes up as I finish 7 hours of answering release-weekend bug mail
[07:54] <duflu> :)
[07:54] <dupondje> btw, the translations of the popup that lists possible software when opening a file ... In which package is that? There is some annoying translation bug in it since like 3 years ... Guess i'm gonne report it :p
[07:54] <Trevinho> hi duflu
[07:54] <duflu> Hey Trevinho
[07:55] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[07:55] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[07:55] <Trevinho> ah didrocks also https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=789237 might be useful to have for debuggin, in any case I think we should set SHELL_DEBUG="backtrace-segfaults" (and ":backtrace-warnings" too maybe) by default for us until say... beta?
[07:56] <didrocks> Trevinho: we discussed on Friday on having a package that we can seed temporarly to have debug on by default
[07:57] <didrocks> Trevinho: need to discuss I think
[07:57] <didrocks> duflu, as the bug master, has the reference :)
[07:57]  * duflu closes eyes
[07:57] <duflu> Still a couple of hours left for actual code
[07:57] <didrocks> Trevinho: so maybe add to that one: bug #1696030
[07:57] <Trevinho> didrocks: well, in this case we don't need to debug stuff, just to allow the shell to send us infos about what part of JS is crashing
[07:57] <Trevinho> ok
[07:58] <didrocks> Trevinho: you didn't review bug #1721102 yet?
[07:58] <didrocks> the regression is really not nice :/
[07:58] <willcooke> morning
[07:58] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[08:00] <duflu> Morning willcooke
[08:00] <Trevinho> didrocks: I've done it, not approved yet, since I'm adding some other fixes on top of it
[08:00] <Trevinho> didrocks: but the branch is more than ok, so I'm approving it shortly
[08:00] <Trevinho> didrocks: adding another one on top though
[08:01] <didrocks> Trevinho: please test them carefully, you know how much the theme can break…
[08:01] <Trevinho> didrocks: yeah... rules are pretty strict, but yeah
[08:02] <seb128> duflu, when you mark a bug which has useful info as a dup it would be nice to copy the info in the master bug
[08:03] <duflu> seb128, sometimes yes. Other times there is too much text to copy, which makes life harder for the next person trying to read both
[08:03] <seb128> hey willcooke
[08:03] <seb128> duflu, right, the one I just crossed in the gdm avatar-not-centered and the duplicate had a css snippet
[08:04] <Guest5394> morning
[08:04] <seb128> Guest5394, hey (Laney?)
[08:04] <Guest5394> no
[08:04] <Guest5394> I am Guest5394
[08:04] <Guest5394> I am my own person
[08:04] <Guest5394> I AM A FREE MAN!
[08:04] <seb128> welcome here Guest5394 :p
[08:04] <willcooke> :))
[08:04] <Guest5394> not like that Guest11178 loser
[08:04] <seb128> the bot took over
[08:05] <seb128> he kicked his master out of the keyboard and is doing IRC by himself
[08:05] <willcooke> I miss that guy]
[08:05] <oSoMoN> good morning willcooke
[08:06]  * Laney breaks free
[08:06] <oSoMoN> morning Laney :)
[08:06] <seb128> :-)
[08:06] <didrocks> Laney took back, morning!
[08:06] <Laney> what's up homies
[08:06] <seb128> it's sunny monday!
[08:06] <seb128> after rainy&windy tennis sunday :p
[08:07]  * Laney turns on the bot compactor in the back room
[08:07] <Laney> oh
[08:07] <Laney> wind must be annoying at tennis
[08:07] <seb128> it is
[08:07] <seb128> "but the ball was going this way!"
[08:07] <seb128> #fail
[08:10] <Laney> doh
[08:11] <seb128> andyrock, Trevinho, thanks for that indicator-printers fix, it one frequently reported on e.u.c, I had it to my list of things to look at but didn't manage to get to it yet
[08:11] <Trevinho> np
[08:11] <andyrock> np!
[08:12] <Trevinho> crash-wise we're not all bad right now, most of them are addressed... I think I linked most of the upstream side of things locally
[08:12] <Laney> Trevinho: nice cat
[08:12] <Trevinho> we need to backport some stuff...
[08:12] <Trevinho> Laney: yeah, he's lovely!
[08:12] <Laney> :3
[08:12] <Laney> where are you now?
[08:13] <MrGreen> There are no more bug in Ubuntu? It's been several days since I have any updates
[08:13] <Trevinho> and he meows all the times I go out to work in the pool area... So he stays sitting with me close to the laptop :-D
[08:13] <Trevinho> Laney: still Playa del Carmen
[08:13] <MrGreen> (*no update)
[08:19] <seb128> it's nice to see some contributors filing bugs with css change suggestion
[08:19] <seb128> e.g bug #1725487
[08:19] <seb128> Trevinho, didrocks, who would be interested to look into that one?
[08:20] <Trevinho> I can, but not now... after the bed break :-D
[08:21] <seb128> yeah, it's not an important one
[08:21] <didrocks> seb128: I can hav a look, no worry
[08:22] <didrocks> but didn't we disable hot corner?
[08:22] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[08:22]  * didrocks opens and read
[08:22] <seb128> yeah, you can re-enable it with gnome-tweaks
[08:22] <Trevinho> so super low :)
[08:22] <seb128> indeed
[08:22] <didrocks> yep, I've put the gsettings patch in it
[08:22] <seb128> just to merge in a vcs for whatever b upload
[08:22] <seb128> or maybe next sru
[08:22] <didrocks> yep
[08:22] <seb128> the reporter seems nice so trying to keep him happy
[08:23] <didrocks> ah, so rewriting the assets
[08:23] <didrocks> rather than the css
[08:23] <seb128> he filed bug #1725545 and bug #1725546 with css suggestions
[08:23] <seb128> I don't understand the noise one though :p
[08:23] <didrocks> so, that was a trap, you want the 3 of them in? ;)
[08:23] <didrocks> (well, at least the login screen change ?)
[08:24] <seb128> no
[08:24] <seb128> well if you want to review the other ones feel free
[08:24] <seb128> the blue color feeled one that is buggy and option
[08:24] <seb128> I don't understand what the "noise" does so I've no opinion on that one
[08:24] <seb128> and the centered is minor but I guess would be worth including if we can
[08:24] <duflu> seb128, you need a decent monitor to see the noise. It's designed into the purple background :)
[08:25] <duflu> (leftover from the default theme)
[08:25] <seb128> I was just pointing them to show that the user is trying to help
[08:25] <didrocks> disabling the noise is a no no
[08:25] <seb128> duflu, I think I would need better eyes for such details as well :p
[08:25] <didrocks> without it, the aubergine looks really bad
[08:25] <didrocks> so not leftover, but desired
[08:25] <duflu> didrocks, I agree and would prefer the grey noise :)
[08:25] <didrocks> however, I agree it's annoying that it seems to apply everywhere
[08:25] <duflu> I think there's a bug for that too
[08:25] <didrocks> and not only on the background
[08:26] <didrocks> like on the logo :/
[08:27] <duflu> didrocks, bug 1723008
[08:27] <didrocks> duflu: doesn't work at all with our default content
[08:27] <didrocks> we tried that as well
[08:27] <didrocks> you can go back to grey if you want :)
[08:28] <didrocks> (see my blog posts)
[08:28] <duflu> didrocks, you mean plymouth?
[08:28] <didrocks> not plymouth, "logging screen" is GDM
[08:28] <didrocks> which is your bug
[08:29] <duflu> didrocks, just wondering which default content matches the purple... or do you mean the wallpaper?
[08:30] <didrocks> duflu: ah yeah, we matches plymouth
[08:30] <didrocks> match*
[08:30]  * dupondje doesn't find where the translations are of the 'Open File With' dialog ... :) Shouldn't that be in Nautilus?
[08:31] <didrocks> dupondje: I would say rather GTK
[08:36] <seb128> gtk
[08:37] <seb128> well which one
[08:37] <seb128> the tab in the properties of a file?
[08:39] <dupondje> seb128: well if you right click on the file, and use "Open with other application". Then you get a popup with all the applications
[08:39] <dupondje> there there is a translation bug :)
[08:40] <seb128> right, that's gtk
[08:43] <seb128> didrocks, ok, one more bug ping and I stop for today :p Interested it looking to bug #1725219? it's the g-c-c code you wrote it looks like
[08:43] <seb128> we are getting quite some users, recent reports on launchpad is busy
[08:43] <seb128> we got like 15 new bugs on g-c-c since friday
[08:43] <didrocks> seb128: sure, need to understand what happens with it, but happy to have a look
[08:44] <seb128> didrocks, ok, so I triage/assign to you, no hurry to work on it I'm just trying to stay on top of the triaging
[08:44] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[08:44] <didrocks> yw
[08:44] <didrocks> system said it crashed but all settings applied
[08:45] <didrocks> (from the dup)
[08:45] <didrocks> it's a "quick close apply settings" ;)
[08:45] <didrocks> oh, the dup doesn't have the same stacktrace at all, it's like if the panel ref itself was getting invalid?
[08:45] <didrocks> needs digging
[08:46] <dupondje> seb128: https://imgur.com/a/8iK3e => its translated as "Allel toepassingen bekijken". But can't find it in the translations (https://l10n.gnome.org/POT/gtk+.gtk-3-22/gtk+.gtk-3-22.nl.po here its correct)
[08:49]  * didrocks had an idea to recreate the crash, but not this
[08:50] <seb128> dupondje, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/artful/+source/gtk+3.0/+pots/gtk-3.0/nl/1094/+translate
[08:51] <seb128> dupondje, the launchpad translators probably changed the strings, report it against language-pack-gnome-nl on launchpad
[08:52] <dupondje> seb128: ok, cause its correct in the gtk package also.
[08:52] <seb128> dupondje, is it wrong on that url I gave?
[08:52] <dupondje> seb128: yes
[08:52] <seb128> k, so what I said
[08:52] <dupondje> i'll report a bug on language-pack-gnome-nl :)
[08:53] <seb128> didrocks, sometime it's callback called after the panel is changed/unloaded because they didn't get disconnected on unload
[08:53] <seb128> dupondje, k
[08:54] <didrocks> seb128: that's my guess, but I tried to reproduce it going to another panel and changing the key and it worked
[08:55] <didrocks> seb128: I'm not exactly sure when dispoze is called in G-C-C (and a lot of other callbacks aren't disconnected in other panels)
[08:55] <didrocks> I think I'll just track the id and disconnect for now as a tentative fix
[08:55] <dupondje> seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-pack-gnome-nl/+bug/1726312 done :)
[08:55] <seb128> yeah, other panels have segfaults as well seing the recent reports :p
[08:56] <seb128> dupondje, thx
[08:56] <seb128> didrocks, yeah, sometime those are difficult to trigger, best is to do the code change if we know it's right and see if reports stop then
[08:56] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, was heading towards that direction (I have 2 of them to disconnect)
[08:58] <Trevinho> Laney, didrocks: here's the other https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/headerbar-destructive-theming/+merge/332612
[08:58] <Trevinho> and a new one is coming
[08:59] <didrocks> Trevinho: No bug linked? The changes seem to be really large for a SRU…
[08:59] <Trevinho> didrocks: I'm writing it right now
[08:59] <didrocks> I'll let seb128 decides on the SRU worthyness for such large changes :p
[08:59] <Trevinho> didrocks: it's just verbose css, copy paste of the previous code with different colors
[09:00] <Trevinho> didrocks: I've landed way bigger SRUs in unity in the past, so I'm not worried by the amount :-D
[09:00] <seb128> Trevinho, didrocks, yeah, let's see first the bug reports and if we get users complaining about the issue
[09:02] <Trevinho> seb128: it's just really nothing big, just applying the same rules to what we had for othe ractions, but next one also is needed for buttons which are maximized... or it's all inconsistent.
[09:02] <Trevinho> anyway we can sru it even later after it stays a bit in the archives, I don't mind.
[09:03] <didrocks> seb128: the only one which is really visible and I saw people complaining about it, it's the Simple Scan regression since Trevinho's last landing. I don't have opinions on the other, but it seems we are all mixing them in the same landing?
[09:05] <Trevinho> it was already broken anyway, but as said I can land it also in b and we can later backport if needed, I don't care. it's just it's somehing inconsitent, and since we land I'd land everything we have (if tested working).
[09:05] <Laney> didrocks: I think you can use g_signal_connect_object on those since they're all GObjects, then no need to store the ID
[09:05] <Laney> if that's helpful
[09:06] <didrocks> Laney: oh, nice hint, looking at the doc
[09:06] <didrocks> "When the gobject is destroyed the signal handler will be automatically disconnected."
[09:06] <didrocks> nice, didn't know that one
[09:06] <Trevinho> didrocks: just pass the obj after :)
[09:06] <Laney> quite handy in some cases
[09:07] <Trevinho> not always resolutive, but quite helpful
[09:07] <Laney> keeping track of the stuff to disconnect it sucks
[09:07] <Laney> Trevinho: code looks good to me, screenshot would be helpful though :P
[09:08] <Laney> isn't it like 4am for you?
[09:08] <Laney> sleep -> sunbathie -> party -> work
[09:09] <Trevinho> Laney: yeah. let me grab one, I wanted to open the bug first :)
[09:09] <Trevinho> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Qky1RxQf/image.png
[09:10]  * Laney goes blind
[09:10] <Trevinho> backdrop... https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/qAJpfAxx/image.png
[09:10] <Trevinho> Laney: they're never shown together
[09:10] <Trevinho> that's just a debug mode :-D
[09:10] <Laney> I find them too bright anyway, but maybe that's just me
[09:11] <Trevinho> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/FwRav7nV/image.png
[09:11] <seb128> Trevinho, in any case please split the theme work, a simple change for the issue Didier reported then another changeset for the other changes you need
[09:11] <Trevinho> I agree, but I just followed what it was chosen ...
[09:11] <Trevinho> seb128: it's splitted already
[09:11] <Laney> yeah it is
[09:12]  * Laney is just code reviewing, can be included whenever
[09:12] <Trevinho> seb128: but the fix didn't include the problem with the cancel button, which normally is dark, then it gets colored when unfocused or other cases..
[09:12] <Trevinho> it's juts broken :)
[09:17] <Trevinho> bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-themes/+bug/1726318 fyi
[09:18] <Trevinho> I don't have other examples of such buttons, but just use the inspector and add the destructive-action to any headerbar button, and you'll see what  Imean
[09:31] <willcooke> xdg-open apt://vlc
[09:32] <willcooke> err, wrong window
[09:32] <willcooke> also, that's a bug ^ :)
[09:38] <willcooke> Anyone have apturl knowledge?
[09:38] <Trevinho> Laney: that's the other https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/headerbar-maximized-destructive-suggested-actions/+merge/332619
[09:40] <oSoMoN> chrisccoulson, hey, are you working on bug #1725238 ?
[10:08] <duflu> Trevinho, Laney, I think there's a place for Ubunt purple in a headerbar button somewhere...
[10:08] <duflu> And on that thought, good night
[10:08] <Trevinho> duflu: i want it
[10:08] <Trevinho> :-D
[10:08] <Trevinho> good night
[10:13] <Trevinho> didrocks: I've just pushed tha debug stuff on 3.26 g-s branch (and master too), so, when you backport keep in mind :)
[10:15] <didrocks> Trevinho: nice! :)
[10:49] <willcooke> didrocks, do you know if there are any docs which devs can use to add support for kstatusnotifier to their apps?
[10:50] <didrocks> willcooke: we have some for appindicator, which is globally compatible: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators#Porting_Guide_for_Applications
[10:55] <willcooke> nice one, thanks didrocks
[10:57] <didrocks>  yw ;)
[11:47] <seb128> Trevinho, should bug #1714989 be marked as invalid in ubuntu/gnome-shell if that was an issue in dash-to-panel? Or is there a way gnome-shell could be made robust against such error in an extension?
[11:47] <willcooke> Laney, thank you for the apturl fix :)
[11:48] <Trevinho> seb128: there's people in bugzilla saying they've it without extensions, so maybe it's different
[11:48] <Trevinho> but also the one there is triggered by an extension
[11:48] <seb128> Trevinho, ok, let's see once the extension is fixed
[11:48] <Laney> willcooke: powerless to resist
[11:49] <willcooke> :))
[12:14] <mvo> hey, silly question of a gnome-shell newbie - is there a decent clock for g-s that shows the time in various places in the world (that I can define)? like the unity clock?
[12:15] <GammaDraconis> like this ? : https://extensions.gnome.org/extension-data/screenshots/screenshot_697.png
[12:17] <mvo> GammaDraconis: yeah, that looks like what I want
[12:18] <mvo> GammaDraconis: what do I need to do to get this :) ?
[12:18] <GammaDraconis> extension panel world clock : https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/697/panel-world-clock/
[12:18] <GammaDraconis> but may not be compatible yet 3.26, to see
[12:19] <mvo> GammaDraconis: yeah, it says "error"
[12:19] <mvo> (and not more - let me try the light version)
[12:19] <GammaDraconis> search here : https://extensions.gnome.org/
[12:20] <GammaDraconis> + install gnome tweak tool
[12:20] <mvo> GammaDraconis: thanks, light version installs but I see unfortuantely see nothing and the configure dialog is not helping (I'm on 17.10 with g-s 3.26 fwiw)
[12:21] <willcooke> mvo, try installing gnome clocks, see if that does what you want
[12:22] <willcooke> Once you've set it up, I /think/ you get the timezones etc in notifications
[12:22] <mvo> willcooke: yeah, gnome-clocks it is!
[12:22] <mvo> willcooke: \o/ thank you (and GammaDraconis as well)
[12:24] <willcooke> ah, but doesnt show you the times in the notification area
[12:25] <willcooke> having to open a separate app is annoying imo
[12:25] <GammaDraconis> No name yet for ubuntu 18.04 ? No news from Mark Shuttleworth ? He is on holidays ?
[12:25] <willcooke> GammaDraconis, no news that I'm aware of
[12:27] <GammaDraconis> no contact with him ? no mail or phone ?
[12:28] <willcooke> @ clocks - ah, log out and back in, and there they are
[12:47] <GammaDraconis> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/10/ubuntu-18-04-name-speculation
[13:00] <willcooke> ubuntu.com screenshot is now fixed, properly.
[13:00] <willcooke> didrocks, ^ :)
[13:02] <seb128> willcooke, gnome-clocks does show you in the tz in the notification popdown from the panel
[13:04] <willcooke> seb128, yeah I had to restart my session
[13:04] <seb128> right
[13:05] <seb128> didrocks, do you know if the dock extension manages favorites in some way or is that just using the same code as the gnome-shell favorites?
[13:30] <Laney> seb128: do you want to top approve that apturl thing or wait for someone else to look?
[13:30] <seb128> Laney, I can do it
[13:31] <Laney> thx, then I can upload
[13:31] <seb128> Laney, done
[13:31] <Laney> ♥
[13:31] <seb128> yw!
[13:31] <seb128> :)
[13:32] <popey> <3 thanks chaps :)
[13:33] <willcooke> popey, we still need to backport the ffox fixes before it will work from ffox though
[13:34] <popey> is that fixed upstream?
[13:39] <Laney> ffs
[13:39] <Laney> apturl vcs was out of date
[13:40] <Laney> this happens all the time
[13:40] <Laney> :'(
[13:40] <seb128> :-/
[13:42] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apturl/0.5.2ubuntu11
[13:42] <Laney> la la la
[13:54] <willcooke> popey, yes
[13:55] <willcooke> popey, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1382323
[13:55] <popey> ta
[13:58] <seb128> Laney, bzr/launchpad did something weird there, https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/apturl/ubuntu is marking the bugs fixed by r150 which was the missing version you restored, not with your commit of the fix
[13:58] <seb128> oh well, detail
[13:59] <Laney> mmm
[13:59] <Laney> probably me being weird with bzr
[14:01] <jbicha> what do you think of LP: #1726093 ?
[14:02] <willcooke> jbicha, I saw a discussion on twitter over the weekend about that, and people saying "broken by design" etc etc.  :(
[14:03] <willcooke> From what I picked up from the thread it seems like an ok thing to add to me, if it makes things a bit easier for people using the ubuntu session
[14:03] <willcooke> that said, it's odd that people wanting to do thsoe sorts of things were anti installing gnome-session
[14:03] <willcooke> jbicha, any ideas of the additional size?  Not much right?
[14:05] <mgedmin> how is a user going to realize they need to install gnome-session when their newly installed gnome shell extension fail to work?
[14:05] <jbicha> willcooke: apt says 222kB for that & its dep libgnome-menu-3-0
[14:06] <willcooke> mgedmin, fair point
[14:06] <willcooke> jbicha, oh, tiny :)
[14:06] <willcooke> so I'm +1 then.
[14:06] <willcooke> jbicha, shall we discuss tomorrow in the meeting?
[14:07] <jbicha> that's fine
[14:12] <krashekspress> do you maybe know what I'm missing for showing shell extension in Ubuntu software (list is empty)?
[14:12] <Laney> nothing, that doesn't work atm
[14:13] <krashekspress> oh, found it
[14:13] <krashekspress>  gnome-software[9969]: failed to get apps for category apps: too many results returned
[14:13] <krashekspress> :)
[14:18] <seb128> krashekspress, bug #1722809
[14:19] <krashekspress> seb128: thanks
[14:19] <seb128> yw
[14:23] <krashekspress> I stumbled upon this channel after upgrade to 17.10 (had few issues) and so far experience with community here is awesome, thanks to everybody here for great effort and positive atmosphere
[14:28] <popey> 🎉
[14:28] <willcooke> thanks for the feedback krashekspress, and thanks for the bug reports
[14:43] <didrocks> seb128: just chcked the code, it's using upstream facility to look at favorites
[14:43] <didrocks> seb128: it can do a rematching/refiltering to only show apps on the current workspace though
[14:44] <didrocks> and it's listening to favorites external changes
[14:44] <didrocks> why, is there any bug with it?
[14:51] <seb128> didrocks, there was a "can't add telegram to the launcher" which duflu reassigned from gnome-shell to the extension, I reassigned back, reading again I think it is 'can't add binaries without a .desktop' which is known upstream
[14:53] <didrocks> ah interesting, could be that, I don't know if they create .desktop file on the spot
[14:54] <seb128> didrocks, the description states that the user was started a bin from some dir
[14:54] <seb128> so I guess it's just not matching a .Desktop
[14:54] <mgedmin> what's with this black border in the app selector? https://imgur.com/a/QzBcU (gnome-tweak-tool -> startup apps -> add)
[14:54] <seb128> didrocks, thanks for the reply
[14:55] <didrocks> yw!
[14:55] <seb128> mgedmin, what theme do you use?
[14:55] <seb128> adwaita?
[14:55] <mgedmin> Adwaita
[14:55] <didrocks> seb128: I wonder if it worths working on creating the minimal desktop app with a crappy icon…
[14:56] <seb128> didrocks, a "would be nice" for sure, but we have too much to do already so I doubt we will get to it this cycle ... but let's see how frequent it is as a complain
[14:56] <didrocks> yes
[15:00] <oSoMoN> chromium snap 62 call for testing is out: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/call-for-testing-chromium-62-0-3202-62/2569
[15:00] <oSoMoN> (and here: https://plus.google.com/+OlivierTilloy/posts/Mh3Pdgw8KhL)
[15:02] <krashekspress> mgedmin: looks ugly on screen before also
[16:06] <oSoMoN> chrisccoulson, chromium-browser 62.0.3202.62 in https://launchpad.net/~canonical-chromium-builds/+archive/ubuntu/stage/+packages is ready for a security update
[17:11] <willcooke> night all
[17:16] <jbicha> kenvandine[m][m]: did you see LP: #1725897 ?
[18:13] <seb128> jbicha, did you see my comment on that bug? I Cced him earlier, also he's off today & tomorrow at a conference
[18:15] <jbicha> oh that makes sense since there's a big conference near where he lives
[18:19] <oSoMoN> good night all
[18:43] <krashekspress> got new annoying bug, cant get picture after resuming suspend, (hard drive is doing something but screen remains black,a s if monitor is not getting signal), happens on both Wayland and Xorg, under what should I report that?
[18:43] <sarnold> krashekspress: try manually switching VTs among 1,2,6,7 see if that unsticks something
[18:45] <krashekspress> tried that, nothing happens
[19:04] <krashekspress> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1726536
[19:07] <sarnold> krashekspress: how confident are you in the hardware on this system?
[19:08] <sarnold> "do_general_protection: 87 callbacks suppressed"
[19:08] <sarnold> this makes me wonder if you've got bad ram
[19:08] <krashekspress> its 2.5 year old desktop
[19:08] <sarnold> or maybe it's just gnome segfaults... iirc i've seen a lot of those lately.
[19:08] <krashekspress> I'm working on it daily
[19:09] <krashekspress> I wouldn't say that something is off
[19:09] <sarnold> okay
[19:09] <krashekspress> had to use windows for last project (ca 2 months) didn't have any problems
[19:09] <krashekspress> but there is allways possibility, it is hardware and it has life span :)
[19:10] <sarnold> right ;) it's sometimes hard to tell with bug reports.. sometimes hardware errors stand out bright as day, and sometimes it's a little harder to spot
[19:10] <sarnold> this one felt like it -might- be hardware errors, or maybe it's just new software that's not debugged yet
[19:13] <krashekspress> my opinion is that this mught be GPU
[19:13] <krashekspress> I have one more bug connected to it
[19:13] <krashekspress> it just doesn't play nice
[19:26] <krashekspress> unrelated, does ~/.cache/dconf has to be owned by root or by user?
[19:29] <sarnold> wth
[19:29] <sarnold> -rw------- 1 root root 2 Apr 29  2016 /home/sarnold/.cache/dconf/user
[19:30] <flocculant> drwxrwxr-x   2 wolf wolf    4096 Sep  2 10:41 dconf
[19:30] <flocculant> for me - but I run xubuntu - and used dconf for something a while back
[19:30] <sarnold> flocculant: do you have any files in that directory?
[19:31] <krashekspress> nope
[19:31] <flocculant> just 1 - user
[19:31] <flocculant> which apparently is all of 2bytes big
[19:31] <jbicha> I don't even have that directory here, this is a fairly new 17.10 install
[19:31] <krashekspress> I'm getting ton of (google-chrome-stable:4156): dconf-CRITICAL **: unable to create file '/home/dario/.cache/dconf/user': Permission denied.  dconf will not work properly.
[19:32] <sarnold> flocculant: what user/permissions on that user file?
[19:32] <flocculant> -rw-------
[19:33] <flocculant> wolf wolf - as I would expect
[19:33] <sarnold> as would I
[19:33] <flocculant> :)
[19:33] <sarnold> so where the heck did mine come from and why is it root:root? :)
[19:33] <flocculant> :)
[19:33] <krashekspress> I don't have it, that's even worse :(
[19:33] <flocculant> I'd guess krashekspress has the same problem ;)
[19:34] <sarnold> I was about to blindly answer to krashekspress "if it's owned by root then it's made some huge mistakes" or something similar, but, uh, there sits a file owned by root in my own home dir and I have no idea why.
[19:34] <krashekspress> and now question for million dollars, should I "fix" permissions? :)
[19:34] <flocculant> :)
[19:35] <krashekspress> I'm guessing that this happen on my system with suspend/wake crash
[19:35] <krashekspress> because error is from chrome, and after crash all my accoutns were logged of
[19:37] <krashekspress> this would then mean that my "unrelated" flag was wrong :)
[20:04] <krashekspress> so, should I fix permissions?