[00:38] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[00:42] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Oh , back :) .. You can have it back in the same shape you left it in :)
[00:43] <lotuspsychje> oh tnx :p
[00:44] <Bashing-om> :D
[00:51] <lotuspsychje> TJ- is eating all issues, time for a biggg coffee lol
[02:20] <lotuspsychje> welcome Sveta`
[02:20] <Sveta`> thank you lotuspsychje :-)
[02:20] <lotuspsychje> add to favs ; )
[02:20] <Sveta`> yes, quassel adds any newly joined channels to autojoin automatically :) it is an interesting client.
[02:21] <lotuspsychje> cool, im on hex here
[02:22] <Sveta`> :-)
[02:32] <lotuspsychje> Sveta`: wich distro you on mate?
[02:40] <Sveta`> I started with ubuntu (with gnome 2) in 2010 or so. Then I tried xubuntu and then moved to debian (with gnustep and wmaker). Seems that the wmaker window manager is more suitable to what I am after at home at least. It has this remarkable feature, you can create menus based on directory structure, and I use that for books.
[02:48] <lotuspsychje> Sveta`: nice one
[02:49] <lotuspsychje> Sveta`: xenial & artful box here
[02:49] <lotuspsychje> Sveta`: and ubports phone & tablet
[02:55] <Sveta`> I have a dumb phone called 'nokia e65'. It makes calls, has really loud speakers which is nice, it also has sms but no cyrillic input and I am not motivated to figure out how to change that, as phone calls are nicer anyway.
[02:55] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[02:55] <lotuspsychje> a phone for calling is the best
[02:56] <Sveta`> I would really like a phone that has no screen. I would like to provide it with voice commands. However I have not yet found such a thing.
[02:57] <lotuspsychje> i know one, the one from nightrider lol
[02:57] <lotuspsychje> kit, come here!
[02:57] <lotuspsychje> i think oerheks got a watch like that
[02:58] <lotuspsychje> who wants an apple phone anyway
[02:58] <Sveta`> I dislike 'wearing' electronics. I think it is dangerous, particularly when cellular receivers are involved.
[02:58] <lotuspsychje> watch
[02:58] <lotuspsychje> Sveta`: i share the same thoughts
[02:59] <lotuspsychje> sounds like transhuman evolution
[02:59] <lotuspsychje> chips in skin..phones on skin,,chips in brain, whats next
[03:01] <Bashing-om> Next is Lotus ComPuters :P
[03:02] <oerheks> Borg ..
[03:02] <oerheks> https://github.com/DragonComputer/Dragonfire
[03:03] <lotuspsychje> lol
[03:03] <oerheks> finally you can say: ENOUGH | SHUT UP
[03:03] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: lotus computers will bring back users to basics
[03:03] <oerheks> caveman ?
[03:04] <lotuspsychje> lol
[03:05] <lotuspsychje> diodnt unix start ina cave?
[03:08] <oerheks> yes, timetravelers
[03:31] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[04:30] <Bashing-om> 'Nuff Good Nite \o
[06:03] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:42] <ducasse> morning all
[06:52] <jink> 'sup kids? :)
[12:12] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[14:20] <nicomachus> o/ morning
[14:25] <ducasse> \o nicomachus - all well?
[14:31] <nicomachus> having trouble finding some files I need but other than that, quite good
[14:31] <nicomachus> for a monday
[15:06] <nicomachus> lol: https://github.com/MrMEEE/bumblebee-Old-and-abbandoned/issues/123
[15:19] <nicomachus> whatever the successor to Wayland ends up being will probably be here before I get used to Wayland replacing Xorg
[15:19] <ducasse> nicomachus: that _is_ pretty funny :) yet another developer that deserves being put in stocks and pelted with rotten eggs :)
[15:20] <ducasse> +1, i've been playing with wayland for a year and a half and still utterly hate it
[15:21] <nicomachus> I still default to troubleshooting display/resolution issues through xrandr. :/
[15:23] <ducasse> me too, there simply are no tools for wayland because there is nothing to configure :-/
[15:25] <nicomachus> my moto x4's finally shipped.
[15:25] <ducasse> \o/
[15:25] <nicomachus> pre-ordered them on Sept 20, they were supposed to ship Oct 12, but there were "production delays"
[15:27] <ducasse> i need a new phone, but it's getting difficult to find one with things like microsd slot and a recent android by a non-chinese brand for not too much money
[15:28] <nicomachus> Moto x4 has SD and Android 8.0 with guaranteed 9.0
[15:29] <ducasse> how much?
[15:29] <nicomachus> $399.99 from Project Fi, so I think that's the same price elsewhere.
[15:30] <ducasse> i don't think they're sold here, but i can check again
[15:30] <nicomachus> where are you?
[15:31] <ducasse> norway
[15:31] <nicomachus> do they offer Project Fi in Norway? Project Fi has an exclusive on the Android One version, which is bloat free.
[15:33] <ducasse> nope, i didn't think that existed outside the us at all?
[15:33] <nicomachus> idk
[15:33] <nicomachus> Amazon has the x4 for $329.99
[15:33] <leftyfb> nicomachus: in what world is someone asking for help in an OS channel about a programming language they're learning in a formal course where the teachers are being paid to instruct, after being told to consult #programminglanguage and the solution shows up in the first result on google, is it wrong to suggest that the teacher should teach it's students how to find answers on their own(google)? I wanted to suggest the student pay better
[15:33] <leftyfb> attention in class, but that would be acting like a jerk.
[15:33] <nicomachus> https://www.amazon.com/Moto-4th-Generation-hands-free-Lockscreen/dp/B074VDZN5S
[15:34] <nicomachus> leftyfb: it's generally a jerk move to say "learn to google" in any circumstance.
[15:34] <nicomachus> just throw an !ot at them and move on.
[15:35] <leftyfb> how is that more helpful? I actually gave the answer, and then suggested better familiarity with google.
[15:36] <nicomachus> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sorry then
[15:37] <ducasse> leftyfb: i agree, but don't think it would be that uncool to suggest he ask that in his class instead of bringing it to #ubuntu
[15:37] <leftyfb> I don't see why suggesting google is so frowned upon. People would do and say less stupid things in this world if people bothered to research on their own. I NEVER give "JFGI" as an answer. I find the answer and usually give the google result I found it in. This both gives the answer they're looking for AND the search terms I used to find the answer. This has the added benefit of teaching people how to find answers on their own along with
[15:37] <leftyfb> the answer they're looking for.
[15:38] <leftyfb> Giving someone just an answer without the means to find it on their own I feel is less helpful.
[15:38] <leftyfb> In a "Teach a man to fish" sort of way
[15:41] <ducasse> some of them just don't want to learn, but in that case i'm not all that interested in helping them either :-/
[15:41] <leftyfb> A lot of the time the answer either isn't on google or takes a lot of work to find. I help with those in the manner people seem to prefer. But when you type <question just asked> into google and it's the first result, or sometimes, the answer is literally on the google page, come on. .... like "how do I install software on ubuntu". That's just silly.
[15:42] <TJ-> leftyfb: "use a search engine" here's some terms to help you X Y Z is better than saying "Google". There are many other search engines after all
[15:42] <nacc> leftyfb: i think the faq is about JFGI-itis
[15:42] <leftyfb> TJ-: I never just say "google"
[15:42] <nacc> leftyfb: not about suggesting good search terms in general
[15:49] <nicomachus> uhhh... since when does the channel allow people to directly upload an image?
[15:49] <nicomachus> or is that just a /me?
[15:51] <nacc> nicomachus: i think that's something from their synapse thing
[15:52] <nicomachus> weird
[15:52] <leftyfb> where are you seeing this?
[15:52] <dax> nicomachus: it's just a /me
[15:53] <dax> the matrix <-> irc gateway handles people throwing images into matrix by giving them a public URL and putting that in the IRC channel
[15:54] <nicomachus> leftyfb: 10:48  * ayyo[m] uploaded an image: synapseerror.png (268KB)
[15:54] <nicomachus> <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/fEuLVpCAlBBjCvQKAyPOSlz
[15:54] <nicomachus> K>
[15:55] <dax> (and synapse is the name of the server for matrix)
[15:55] <nicomachus> rpi has a ton of python-related updates today
[15:55] <leftyfb> ah, I missed the first part of that
[16:52] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[16:52] <oerheks> wb lotus
[16:52] <ducasse> \o lotuspsychje
[16:52] <lotuspsychje> tnx oerheks :p
[16:52] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[17:10] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/librem-5-privacy-focused-linux-phone-crowdfunding-campaign-ends-with-2-million-518158.shtml
[17:13] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: so, will you be upgrading to one of them when they're out?
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: cant wait that long mate
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: first quarter of 2019 :p
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> ill be on ubports for now
[17:16] <ducasse> i'll certainly consider one, they look good
[17:16] <ducasse> i need a new phone *now*, though, so it will have to be the next one
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: any idea wich one you will buy?
[17:19] <ducasse> nope, just that it'll be cheap and not by a chinese brand :) other than that, i don't care that much.
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> lol
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> https://ubports.com/
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> website looks so neat now
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[17:21] <BluesKaj> hey lotuspsychje
[17:22] <ducasse> \o BluesKaj
[17:22] <ducasse> all going well?
[17:22] <BluesKaj> hey ducasse
[17:22] <BluesKaj> yup, fine here , and you, ducasse?
[17:23] <ducasse> good here, winding down for the evening
[17:24] <BluesKaj> it's a stay inside day here..pouring rain
[17:24] <nicomachus> cold here
[17:25] <nicomachus> 58F
[17:25] <nicomachus> had storms all weekend but it's clear now.
[17:27] <BluesKaj> 58F/15C is cold ?
[17:30] <ducasse> 2°C here, rain forecast
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> rainy here aswell
[17:31] <BluesKaj> that's cold rain
[17:31] <nicomachus> BluesKaj: colder than it's been at least
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> hey pauljw
[17:32] <pauljw> hi lotuspsychje, how are you doing?
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> great here
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> bout yourself?
[17:33] <pauljw> :) same thanks.
[17:33] <BluesKaj> nicomachus, yeah, we had summer like temps/75F here 'til yesterday, now it's dropped 57F
[17:33] <ducasse> \o pauljw
[17:33] <pauljw> hey ducasse
[17:33] <pauljw> BluesKaj
[17:34] <nicomachus> BluesKaj: I just realized this weekend that I need to go out and buy a couple pairs of jeans for winter.
[17:34] <BluesKaj> ey pauljw
[17:34] <pauljw> EriC^^, and anyone else I might have missed... :)
[17:34] <EriC^^> hey pauljw :)
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[17:36] <lotuspsychje> its full house here
[17:36] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[17:36] <BluesKaj> Hey EriC^^
[17:36] <BluesKaj> :-)
[17:36] <EriC^^> hey BluesKaj
[17:36] <EriC^^> :)
[17:38] <BluesKaj> I see the r4elease guessing has started for 18.04 . BB something silly as uasual i bet
[17:38] <TJ-> Bonkers BlueKaj :p
[17:38] <lotuspsychje> lol
[17:40] <BluesKaj> hehe
[18:07] <lotuspsychje> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames#A18.04
[18:07] <lotuspsychje> a bat would be nice
[18:09] <TJ-> can't we switch to 3 letters? Bloody-well Better Work!
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:11] <lotuspsychje> Breedy Bat
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om is in da house!
[18:22] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Any hate and destruction in progress ? Should I run now ?
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> no, all love here :p
[18:22] <TJ-> maybe Bashing-om Barnacles would be a good name for 18.04?
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> yeah lets vote for that
[18:23] <Bashing-om> TJ-: After you bash 17.10 into shape .. 18.04 will be a piece of cake :P
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4d344fea0f82a27352fd315209f7b9772dccc2bcd179707b1e3a1e74e7e2c7fe.jpg?w=800&h=361
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> lol, its betty boop
[18:25] <daftykins> :D
[18:25] <daftykins> not a bad name!
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> hey hey daftykins
[18:26] <TJ-> Isn't Betty  Boop trademarked?
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> uh-oh
[18:27] <daftykins> o/
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/10/ubuntu-18-04-name-speculation
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> hilarious
[18:31] <TJ-> haha "The nature of LTS releases mean we can expect minor and conservative changes to what’s on offer in Ubuntu 17.10"
[18:32] <TJ-> so we can expect lots of bugs stull!
[18:32] <TJ-> still
[18:34] <Bashing-om> Xorg->wayland .. is a huge difference in interfaces .. we will have growing pains !
[18:38] <lotuspsychje> dax: just a minor found, a user found the ubuntu flavors url's are in http and redirect to https
[18:38] <TJ-> not least many users with no way to select the resolution of the monitor(s) and wrong res being used
[18:38] <TJ-> how the heck I'd cope with 3 portrait oriented I don't know
[18:39] <TJ-> this is just like what happened with systemd, though. Replace something before the new system has reached feature parity
[18:39] <daftykins> i thought that was the open source way!
[18:40] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:40] <TJ-> no
[18:40] <daftykins> guys i just wrote "hello world", ready to replace ALSA!
[18:40] <Bashing-om> well, bounce it off 17.10 ... see what sticks .. apply to 18.04 .
[18:41] <TJ-> the problem is monolithic development teams with centralised commercial management
[18:41] <dax> lotuspsychje: yeah, we were talking about that the other day, one of us should probably go through and check links to make sure they still work and also see if they can https
[18:42] <dax> lotuspsychje: is every url on flavors https-able?
[18:42] <lotuspsychje> yeah tested kubuntu ,xubuntu
[18:42] <Bashing-om> TJ-: There is that .. when it is all said and done in the end it is "commercial management" that makes all this possible .
[18:42] <lotuspsychje> they redirect to https
[18:42] <lotuspsychje> !xubuntu
[18:43] <dax> oh, the individual factoids for the flavors, right
[18:43] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[18:44] <dax> i fixed kubuntu during aforementioned discussion, just fixed xubuntu now
[18:44] <lotuspsychje> tnx dax
[18:44] <lotuspsychje> budgie is good
[18:44] <daftykins> next task, make the wiki best arch's ;)
[18:44] <lotuspsychje> mate also good
[18:45] <TJ-> Bashing-om: the commercial management counters good development practice though.  They don't make it possible. Almost all core projects started as side-projects that won users and snowballed. We know from the GDM3 saga, pulseaudio, systemd and now wayland compositors, that the technology was pushed onto users before it was ready
[18:45] <TJ-> sorry, gnome3, not gdm3
[18:46] <TJ-> did you notice budgie is being rewritten for, I think, the 4th time. completely rewritten?
[18:46] <lotuspsychje> howso?.
[18:46] <daftykins> 0o
[18:48] <Bashing-om> TJ-: Fall out for dropping convergence .. convergence just was not going to happen .
[18:49] <dax> so not https://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html ?
[18:53] <Bashing-om> Well, my take ^ . I do not work on bug tracking .. so I have no room to talk .
[18:54] <daftykins> i leave the bug tracking to Mischief
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> Mr_0: !ping
[18:59] <TJ-> Bashing-om: convergence was a Canonical thing though. The projects I mentioned are largely driven by RedHat
[19:01] <Bashing-om> TJ-: My thought . there is "brand loyality" but it all trickels down and about when it is good .
[19:01] <lotuspsychje> the librem purism phone will have convergence too
[19:02] <TJ-> anyhow... someone take over with maszlo - Lenovo T450, never completes service startup when on battery power. works fine on AC. We've scoured the logs, applied the acpi_osi fix, and done a lot of other disable-service tests and no clue. My feeling is a firmware related issue provoked by the 17.10 kernel. Maybe get him to reinstall manually the 17.04 kernel using wget + dpkg  and try booting with that
[19:02] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: alot of acpi issues on yoga's
[19:02] <lotuspsychje> users always come here with hibernate issues on those
[19:03] <TJ-> this was fine on 17.04 though so if you can help him get the 17.04 kernel installed - or first check if it might have been left behind, and get him to boot using that, see if the problem goes away that would be a MAJOR step forward
[19:04] <TJ-> this is from cold-boot, no suspend/resume/hibernate involved
[19:04] <TJ-> anyhow, dinner calls :)
[19:04] <lotuspsychje> bon apetit
[19:20] <lotuspsychje> nite nite guys :p
[19:20] <lordievader> Sleep well lotuspsychje
[19:20] <lotuspsychje> tnx lordievader
[19:21] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: \o laters .
[19:22] <ducasse> nite lotuspsychje
[19:22] <lotuspsychje> have a nice1 guys