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rbasako/15:01
rbasakddstreet: you're still down for this meeting on the agenda. Is this correct?15:01
ddstreetyeah15:02
ddstreetassuming the mtg is happening15:02
rbasakDo you still want to proceed with the meeting?15:02
sil2100o/15:02
ddstreetrbasak i do, yes15:02
sil2100(sorry for being late)15:02
jbichao/15:03
* rbasak has low confidence in the connection he's on today15:03
sil2100\o15:03
rbasakIf I stop responding, assume I've dropped and I'm not coming back any time soon please.15:03
sil2100Ok15:03
micahgo/15:04
sil2100I guess we have 4 at least?15:08
sil2100Who wants to chair15:08
sil2100?15:08
micahgsil2100: would you mind?  I'm a little distracted at the moment15:10
sil2100Sure, but we'd need to do some rotation at one point ;)15:10
micahgyeah, hopefully I can chair the next meeting15:11
sil2100#startmeeting DMB15:11
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sil2100o/15:11
sil2100#topic Review of previous action items15:11
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BenCo/15:11
sil2100I guess the two (done) action items from the agenda are done and can be discarded15:11
sil2100bdmurray: are you around?15:11
bdmurraysil2100: Yeah, just got in an errand took longer than I expected15:12
sil2100Did we get the PPU rights for fossfreedom enabled in the end?15:12
sil2100bdmurray: o/15:12
sil2100Hey!15:12
bdmurrayI think there is still a bug open that had some discussion in it15:12
sil2100Oh my15:12
bdmurraybug 171677015:12
ubottubug 1716770 in ubuntu-community "[TB/DMB] New packageset ~personal-fossfreedom in Artful" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/171677015:12
sil2100Ok, I'll try to find it and help with getting it through15:12
sil2100Thanks15:12
sil2100Because of the release things got a bit out of hand15:13
jbichaI think it would make sense as a flavor set too instead of ppu15:13
bdmurraySo I think somebody needs to review the packageset vs his requested packages15:13
sil2100+1 on that15:13
sil2100Once we review those, is there anything else formal-wise that needs to be done for this to become an automatic packageset?15:14
sil2100A TB bug or can we re-use this one?15:14
sil2100Anyway, let's get that sorted after the meeting15:15
sil2100#topic SRU Developer Applications15:15
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bdmurrayIt sounded like slangasek had concerns about seeds being modified w/o DMB review.15:16
micahgthis wasn't meant to be a seed based package15:16
micahg*packageset15:16
jbichamicahg: why not?15:16
micahgfor exactly that reason :015:16
micahg:)15:16
micahgit's not flavor upload rights, but rather personal upload rights for packages that he's worked on which coincides with some of the primary Budgie packaging (or that was my understanding at least)15:18
bdmurrayRegardless reviewing the seed vs the requested packages might make sense.15:18
micahgsure, my vote was not for seed based upload rights though15:18
sil2100I think originally fossfreedom just wanted upload rights for budgie packages15:18
sil2100But this didn't really work as there was no packageset for budgie back then15:18
sil2100So to avoid confusion he just went for PPU rights15:19
bdmurrayI think our debating of this is not helping the requestor. Maybe we should just do what they want.15:19
sil2100Because we still couldn't really give him upload rights for the budgie packageset as this doesn't exist15:19
sil2100Let's continue with the meeting and discuss later during AOB15:20
sil2100(if needed)15:20
sil2100#subtopic Dan Streetman15:20
sil2100https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ddstreet/UbuntuSRUDeveloperApplication15:20
sil2100http://ubuntu-dev.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu-sponsorships.cgi?render=html&sponsoree=Dan+Streetman15:20
sil2100ddstreet: o/15:20
sil2100ddstreet: re-introduce yourself please15:20
ddstreethi all, i'm reapplying for sru developer15:20
ddstreetlast application: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/09/11/%23ubuntu-meeting.txt15:20
ddstreetsponsored pkgs: http://ubuntu-dev.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu-sponsorships.cgi?render=html&sponsor=&sponsor_search=name&sponsoree=Dan+Streetman&sponsoree_search=name15:21
ddstreetand this bug that i've created the debdiffs for is waiting https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+source/mdadm/+bug/161791915:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1617919 in mdadm (Ubuntu Xenial) "mdadm segfault error 4 in libc-2.23.so" [High,Triaged]15:21
sil2100Questions please15:22
jbichaddstreet: one question from before: is the Ubuntu kernel git repo public?15:23
ddstreetjbicha yes the ubuntu kernel git repos are public15:24
jbichacan you paste a link?15:24
ddstreetfrom my git15:24
ddstreetubuntu/trustygit://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-trusty.git (fetch)15:24
ddstreetubuntu/trustygit://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-trusty.git (push)15:24
ddstreetubuntu/xenialgit://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-xenial.git (fetch)15:24
ddstreetubuntu/xenialgit://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-xenial.git (push)15:24
ddstreetubuntu/zestygit://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-zesty.git (fetch)15:24
ddstreetubuntu/zestygit://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-zesty.git (push)15:24
ddstreetjbicha or if you mean the special kernel repos, they are in a different location, e.g.15:25
ddstreetubuntu/awsgit+ssh://git.launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel/ubuntu/+source/linux-aws (fetch)15:25
jbichaI was looking for http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ubuntu/ubuntu-artful.git/log/?qt=author&q=streetman15:26
jbicha:)15:26
ddstreetsorry, i assumed you mean git url15:26
jbichano problem, I found it15:26
sil2100ddstreet: a question from me: after you prepared an SRU, prepared the bug and uploaded the change to the archive (and this upload got accepted to -proposed), what work do you need to do next on that SRU?15:27
ddstreetverify the proposed package and mark the bug as verification-done-RELEASE15:27
ddstreetfor affected releases15:27
sil2100Anything else?15:27
ddstreetadd a comment to the bug with the details of the verification15:27
ddstreetthen after 7 days or more, ping a sru person to move it to -updates15:28
ddstreetcheck the autopkgtest results15:28
ddstreetof there are any failures, explain them in the bug - or if the failures are a result of the change, it will need reworking15:28
sil2100Ok, thanks15:28
ddstreetwhich likely would involve re-patching, then re-uploading to -proposed again15:28
sil2100btw. the ping-the-sru-person is not required ;p15:28
ddstreetheh well hopefully not ;-)15:29
sil2100You can do that if the SRU is somehow priority but usually we'll just do it when the time comes ;)15:29
ddstreetit's not always clear when that time is to outsiders ;-)15:29
jbichaI'm looking at the last 2 SRUs from https://launchpad.net/~ddstreet/+uploaded-packages15:29
jbichaand they got sponsored very quickly, like same day15:30
ddstreetyes, last thurs i believe15:30
ddstreetjbicha you mean the lshw upload?15:31
jbichawell not initramfs-toolsbut the other 2 recent ones, just commenting15:31
jbichalshw and vlan15:31
ddstreetsorry im not sure what vlan you mean?15:31
ddstreetthat was sept 2015:31
ddstreetfor vlan15:31
ddstreetthe two lshw uploads are the same bug, just one for x and other for t15:32
rbasako/15:32
jbichayou uploaded the debdiff for LP: #1716964 and it got sponsored later that day15:32
ddstreetjbicha am i misunderstanding you?15:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1716964 in vlan (Debian) "VLAN network script if-up.d/ip limits rp_filter value to 0 or 1" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/171696415:32
ddstreeti think so yes15:32
ddstreetsorry, i'm not clear if there is a question for me?15:32
jbichasometimes, things get stuck in the sponsoring queue for a very long time, so I was just commenting that you have got some much quicker than that15:32
jbichano question, just a comment15:33
ddstreetoh ok thanks15:33
ddstreetyes, i can't really let things hang out in the sponsorship queue, so since i don't have upload rights i have to actively find sponsors to pester15:33
ddstreetobviously, that's why i am requesting upload rights15:33
bdmurraypreviously you had mentioned being interested in sponsoring SRU uploads for other people. Is that still something you plan on doing?15:35
ddstreetyes15:35
jbichait looks like you've done an average of 1 SRU set per month, sustained over the past year and a half (another comment, not really a question)15:36
ddstreetyes, on average, although i think i've picked up the pace significantly in the last month, since my last application was rejected because i hadn't done enough SRUs15:36
ddstreetbefore that, i had done mostly kernel fixes which don't show up in the sponsor list, and aren't relevant for this application15:37
ddstreetwell, i'm not one to say if kernel fixes are relevant for this application, that is what bdmurray suggested during my first application15:38
rbasakNo endorsements from two out of three of your latest sponsors?15:38
sil2100I left a comment15:38
sil2100It's like a soft endorsement ;)15:38
ddstreetrbasak i believe i asked you a while back, and i did ask apw but he did not respond15:38
ddstreetmaybe didn't see my request15:38
ddstreetthanks sil2100!15:39
jbicha(no more questions from me for this application)15:39
sil2100Any other questions?15:39
* rbasak is still reviewing15:39
ddstreetre: endorsement i also asked cpaelzer but i don't think he saw my request either15:40
rbasakSo far, everything I see suggests a high quality of SRUswork.15:40
rbasakI'm still a little concerned by not having a big enough sample size though.15:41
rbasakWhat do other DMB members think of this?15:41
micahgsame15:41
ddstreetrbasak micahg what would you consider a big enough sample size?15:42
rbasakThat's a good question. I think it's variable depending on the quality of work demonstrated and the strength of the endorsements.15:43
ddstreetlooks like i have ~22 separate SRUs so far, not counting multiple releases per SRU.15:43
rbasakhttps://launchpad.net/~ddstreet/+uploaded-packages is showing me 23 in total, including development release uploads, and including series SRU duplication.15:43
rbasakWhat am I missing?15:43
ddstreetrbasak i'm going by http://ubuntu-dev.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu-sponsorships.cgi?render=html&sponsor=&sponsor_search=name&sponsoree=Dan+Streetman&sponsoree_search=name15:44
ddstreetso 23 sounds right15:45
sil2100It's hard to judge what sample size we require here15:45
ddstreetwhat have you required of past applicants?15:46
sil2100But I'm rather confident in ddstreet's knowledge about the SRU process15:46
bdmurrayI think there's only been one other applicant15:46
ddstreetfor SRU, yes15:46
micahgusually a full cycle focused on whatever they're applying for15:46
ddstreetthe sru developer team was created for him, slashd, because you were not ready to give him coredev15:47
rbasakTo narrow it down, if I saw somewhere between 5 and 10 (not sure exactly) recent SRUs that required no significant review changes and had endorsements from >90% of sponsors from that sample, I'd be happy.15:47
jbichaI think applicants tend to upload more frequently than you do but I'm ok with the total upload count15:47
sil2100Should we start the vote?15:47
sil2100Everyone ready?15:48
sil2100We have this tendency to running over our meeting time15:48
rbasakI'm +0 right now. I don't have a list of SRUs in front of me as qualified by my criteria above to review.15:48
rbasakThat seems to be mostly an issue of data mining.15:49
sil2100Ok, I see rbasak started the voting so let's just start it formally15:49
sil2100#vote Grant ddstreet SRU Developer15:49
rbasakPerhaps, in hindsight, we could ask applicants for this team to provide this as a summary to save us all doing it individually.15:49
meetingologyPlease vote on: Grant ddstreet SRU Developer15:49
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)15:49
rbasak+015:49
meetingology+0 received from rbasak15:49
jbicha+115:49
meetingology+1 received from jbicha15:49
sil2100+1, I have no good feeling on what criteria we have but I'm happy with ddstreet's SRUs so far15:49
meetingology+1, I have no good feeling on what criteria we have but I'm happy with ddstreet's SRUs so far received from sil210015:49
rbasakTo be clear, I _am_ happy with the quality of the work that I've seen.15:50
sil2100bdmurray, BenC, micahg: ?15:51
micahg+0 I have a good technically feeling, and am very close to voting in favor, but still feel like we should have a few more recent SRUs as rbasak mentioned15:51
meetingology+0 I have a good technically feeling, and am very close to voting in favor, but still feel like we should have a few more recent SRUs as rbasak mentioned received from micahg15:51
bdmurray+1 I think the working being done is of fine quality, but I'm still concerned about the posibility of things being sponsored. I guess the SRU team is a safety check there though.15:51
meetingology+1 I think the working being done is of fine quality, but I'm still concerned about the posibility of things being sponsored. I guess the SRU team is a safety check there though. received from bdmurray15:51
ddstreetbdmurray i don't quite understand what exactly you're concerned about there, but thanks for the +115:53
sil2100BenC: are you still around to vote? :)15:54
bdmurrayddstreet: I think I'm concerned about you having the skills to judge the quality of an SRU.15:55
ddstreeti see15:55
ddstreetbdmurray feel free to point out any specific examples where I've done something wrong - that will help me improve myself, right15:57
ddstreetso, is the voting done?16:06
jbichasorry, we're trying to figure out if we can end the vote now without BenC16:07
sil2100Yeah, some discussions on the procedures16:07
* ddstreet refills coffee16:07
sil2100Sorry about this, would be much better if we got this one more vote from BenC ;)16:12
jbichasil2100: maybe we should move on with the rest of the meeting?16:12
bdmurrayPlease16:13
jbicharbalint: are you here?16:13
sil2100Ok, let me end the vote16:20
sil2100#endvote16:20
meetingologyVoting ended on: Grant ddstreet SRU Developer16:20
meetingologyVotes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:216:20
meetingologyMotion carried16:20
sil2100rbasak: did I end to early?16:22
sil2100ddstreet: ok, sorry for the wait, congratulations!16:23
ddstreetthanks16:23
sil2100I think we have this settled16:24
sil2100(I think)16:24
sil2100Who wants to take the action?16:24
sil2100I'll just take it16:24
sil2100#action sil2100 to grant ddstreet SRU permissions16:25
meetingologyACTION: sil2100 to grant ddstreet SRU permissions16:25
sil2100#topic AOB16:25
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sil2100We probably had something but since we're already 25 minutes over, I'd say... let's discuss next time16:25
sil2100We just need to make sure to push fossfreedom's upload rights forward16:26
sil2100Anyway, if you don't mind, I need to finish the meeting since I need to go AFK16:26
sil2100#endmeeting16:26
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meetingologyMeeting ended Mon Oct 23 16:26:30 2017 UTC.16:26
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sil2100Thanks everyone o/16:26
tyhickshello16:30
tyhicks#startmeeting16:31
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tyhicks[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting16:31
mdeslaur\o16:31
tyhicks[TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report16:31
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leosilvao/16:31
tyhicksjdstrand: you're up16:31
jdstrandhey16:31
jdstrandThis week I plan to:16:31
jdstrand* finish some snappy-debug work based on sprint feedback16:31
jdstrand* do a ton of snapd PR reviews. Some for layouts, which I expect to take a lot of time since they are attempting to use overlayfs16:31
jdstrand* miscellaneous interface policy updates16:32
jdstrand* get back to uid/gid seccomp arg filtering work as have time16:32
jdstrandthat's it from me. mdeslaur, you're up16:32
mdeslaurI'm in the happy place this week16:32
mdeslaurI have a short week as I'm off on friday16:32
mdeslaurI just published a few updates16:32
mdeslaurand I have a couple of others to test16:32
mdeslaurI'll probably pick something new off the list after that16:32
mdeslaurthat's it, sbeattie, you're up16:33
sbeattieI'm also in the happy place this week16:33
sbeattieI'm doing some investigating on notifying snaps that they have security issues in embedded packaging16:34
sbeattieI'm also going to be focusing on apparmor this week, in concert with some of the work debian is doing16:34
sbeattieI also have an update to finish up, and the usual set of kernel triage to do16:35
sbeattiethat'll take up my week. tyhicks?16:35
tyhickshappy_place++16:35
tyhicksI need to finalize the upstream libseccomp-golang changes and update the PR16:36
tyhicksupdate the seccomp(2) man page for the kernel logging changes16:36
tyhickseCryptfs patch review16:36
tyhicksAppArmor work to support Debian's !AppArmor-in-Debian sprint16:36
tyhicksthat's it for me16:36
tyhicksI don't think jjohansen is back yet16:36
tyhickssarnold: go ahead and we'll circle back to jjohansen16:36
sarnoldI'm on bug triage this week16:36
sarnoldI'll also be helping out the debian apparmor sprint as I can16:37
sarnoldand doing MIRs, I expect to finish spice-vdagent early in the week16:37
sarnoldwith what time may be left I'll look at the pcp changes in response the last cycle's MIR16:37
sarnoldthat's it for me, chrisccoulson?16:37
jbichayay, MIRs16:37
chrisccoulsonI've got a chromium update to test and publish16:38
chrisccoulsonThen I need to finish off the rust 1.20 update - artful is done, I just need to backport it. Fingers crossed there are no new problems and this is the end of it for a few weeks16:38
chrisccoulsonthen hopefully fun stuff16:38
chrisccoulsonthat's me done16:39
* tyhicks crosses fingers16:39
tyhicksratliff: you're up16:39
ratliffI'm on community this week16:39
ratliffAfter that I have quite a bit of internally focused work which will consume my week.16:40
ratliffon to you, leosilva16:40
leosilvaI'm in CVE triage this week16:40
leosilvaI have a couple of UNS to publish for precise16:40
leosilvabesides that I'll do my hunting for pkgs to update and watch some git for triage in pkgs I'm waiting patches16:41
leosilvathat's for me16:41
leosilvatyhicks: it's back to yu!16:41
tyhicksjjohansen: any chance you're back yet?16:41
tyhickslets move on16:42
tyhicks[TOPIC] Highlighted packages16:42
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tyhicksThe Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.16:42
tyhicksSee https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.16:43
tyhickshttps://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/swift-plugin-s3.html16:43
tyhickshttps://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/sniffit.html16:43
tyhickshttps://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/ruby-rack.html16:43
tyhickshttps://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/digikam.html16:43
tyhickshttps://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/webfs.html16:43
tyhicks[TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions16:43
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tyhicksDoes anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?16:43
jbichahttps://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2017/10/msg00405.html16:43
jbichaI think Debian GNOME would be ok with a totem apparmor profile in the totem packaging, except that I don't think the Debian GNOME has apparmor expertise to maintain it16:43
jbicha(mentioned since y'all were talking about apparmor in Debian)16:44
tyhicksjbicha: we're working closely with intrigeri all week on this sort of stuff16:44
tyhicksjbicha: thanks for mentioning it16:45
jbichathanks, that's all from me :)16:45
tyhickscool :)16:45
tyhicksjdstrand, mdeslaur, sbeattie, jjohansen, sarnold, ChrisCoulson, ratliff, leosilva: Thanks!16:45
tyhicks#endmeeting16:45
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meetingologyMeeting ended Mon Oct 23 16:45:36 2017 UTC.16:45
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sarnoldthanks tyhicks!16:45
leosilvatks tyhicks !16:46
mdeslaurthanks tyhicks16:46
sbeattietyhicks: thanks!16:48
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