[09:11] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[11:46] <diddledan> daftykins: risque of the day: https://twitter.com/LukeRomyn/status/922428740457652224
[12:16] <ali1234> !info sagcad
[12:17] <ali1234> !info sagcad edgy
[12:22] <ali1234> i honestly have no idea why this software is even in the repos
[12:22] <ali1234> clicking just about any button in the GUI will instantly segfault it
[12:22] <ali1234> help doesn't work, and it constantly pops up error messages, sometimes in english, sometimes in japanese
[13:07] <foobarry> there's a way to request deselection from repos isn't there?
[13:08] <foobarry> maybe there should be a purgatory repo for unmaintained or dubious apps
[13:08] <diddledan> foobarry: that's what snaps are gonna solve :-p
[13:19] <diplo> Except there are already dead snaps in the store diddledan :)
[14:08] <diddledan> wow that is sucky: https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2017/10/the-recent-catastrophic-wi-fi-vulnerability-was-in-plain-sight-for-13-years-behind-a-corporate-paywall/
[14:58] <NET||abuse> hmm, i've been running an old HP N40L microserver for years now, i'd love to get a more powerful machine, but wondering what the state of the HP microserver gen 8/9/10  machines is? any good?
[14:58] <NET||abuse> well, looks like thye skipped gen 9 with the microservers
[14:59] <diplo> Only issue I've heard is that bios updates aren't supported after warranty unless you pay
[14:59] <diplo> otherwise still good machines
[15:01] <NET||abuse> hmm, that's a ittle cheeky, maybe the age of the HP microserver is passed then, i dont like that support level
[15:01] <NET||abuse> any thing else around with decent cpu/ram with 4 or so drive slots?
[15:01] <NET||abuse> also really focused on linux support.
[15:02] <NET||abuse> low power to performance ratio is pretty key too
[15:18] <diddledan> kittyfish: https://twitter.com/samleecole/status/922482082743451649
[15:48] <diplo> I've got to look myself NET||abuse - sorry got stuck on the phone
[16:33] <NET||abuse> :) diplono worries,
[16:34] <NET||abuse> hah, diplo sorry, called you diplono.. missed the spacebar
[16:41] <diddledan> anyone stuck on windows? https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-10s-controlled-folder-access-anti-ransomware-feature-is-now-live/
[17:57] <Guest66884> hi
[18:15] <daftykins> lo
[18:15] <diddledan> middle
[18:18] <daftykins> thats a hotspot!
[18:26] <daftykins> you scared them off again Dan
[18:26] <daftykins> :(
[18:28] <daftykins> oh they tried to PM me, mmk
[19:58] <Safiyyah> Hi all, my desktop won't boot up. This is Ubuntu mate, when it does it gives an error, I have put a picture of my screen here: https://i.imgur.com/yIKePvx.jpg
[19:58] <Safiyyah> Now
[19:58] <Safiyyah>  this is on ubuntu mate
[19:58] <daftykins> ah our regular customer
[19:59] <daftykins> what happened prior to this?
[19:59] <Safiyyah> I have booted it up in recovery mode using the USB flash drive for Ubuntu Mate, I ran fsck and it loads up.
[19:59] <Safiyyah> if you try to do it without the stick it doesn't work
[19:59] <Safiyyah> daftykins, thank you....
[20:00] <Safiyyah> I read up on it and it says you need another machine that is running on linux. Well the good news is I now also have a laptop running the same version of ubuntu Mate.... which is what I am using to communicate
[20:00] <daftykins> tried booting an older kernel?
[20:01] <Safiyyah> I don't know how to do that
[20:01] <daftykins> hold the left shift key down just before GRUB starts up, should give you the boot menu
[20:01] <Safiyyah> everyone on google is saying use another linux machine to fsck.... which I also don't know how to do
[20:02] <Safiyyah> okay and how do I repair whatever damage there is?
[20:02] <daftykins> well you would have had to have run fsck from the live session against each partition on the disk
[20:02] <daftykins> well you just want to see if that works to boot from an older kernel first i'd say
[20:02] <Safiyyah> okay let me do that
[20:02] <daftykins> depends what happened before this occurred today, did a recent update or upgrade kill it?
[20:03] <Safiyyah> no upgrade recently
[20:03] <Safiyyah> It has been freezing up and we had to press the power button to get it going
[20:03] <Safiyyah> I think that is what has done it
[20:04] <Safiyyah> and I have caught my husband also using the power button to shut down... without shutting down the machine properly.
[20:04] <Safiyyah> I would have liked to win that arguement, but I have to admit it does freeze
[20:05] <daftykins> :S
[20:05] <Safiyyah> I don't allow system updates regularly because of these weird errors. And if you remember last time he ran a system upgrade.... ruined the whole set up.
[20:06] <Safiyyah> i had to re-install everything, which is something I hate doing.
[20:06] <daftykins> i'm beginning to get the image of a machine held together with tape and string!
[20:06] <Safiyyah> lol
[20:06] <Safiyyah> no not at all
[20:06] <Safiyyah> i have a naughty spouse
[20:06] <daftykins> but at least the monitor is nice now ;)
[20:07] <Safiyyah> yeah 32 inch curve one
[20:07] <Safiyyah> bought on your advice
[20:07] <daftykins> well i wouldn't have gone curved but yeah :D
[20:07] <Safiyyah> I made sure it wasn't a telly
[20:07] <daftykins> any luck getting that boot menu to appear?
[20:10] <Safiyyah> right grub is not automatic
[20:10] <Safiyyah> i just get the boot up menu
[20:10] <daftykins> yeah you then have to go to advanced options and there should be a list of kernels to pick an older one
[20:11] <Safiyyah> I am in
[20:11] <Safiyyah> but am in grub
[20:11] <Safiyyah> you said before grub
[20:11] <daftykins> before was just when you were to hold shift so that the menu would come up
[20:11] <Safiyyah> okay
[20:11] <daftykins> so... whats on screen rightnow?
[20:11] <Safiyyah> grub
[20:11] <Safiyyah> then went to advanced
[20:12] <daftykins> mmhmm...
[20:12] <Safiyyah> looking at the list of kernels
[20:12] <Safiyyah> I had run the older one without realising it before
[20:12] <Safiyyah> the older one and in recovery mode, do you want me to take an older one without the recovery mode?
[20:12] <daftykins> most should be gathered around the same major version e.g. 4.4.0 but then have a different -xxx
[20:12] <daftykins> yep
[20:13] <Safiyyah> It still brings me back to the same message
[20:13] <Safiyyah> and just before that it said something about fsck
[20:13] <daftykins> ok
[20:14] <Safiyyah> and control c
[20:14] <daftykins> how about hitting enter to get the root prompt, then run the message it recommends to view logs?
[20:14] <Safiyyah> i need some hand holding in this black screen of death
[20:14] <daftykins> XD
[20:14] <daftykins> lovely command line
[20:15] <Safiyyah> command not found
[20:15] <Safiyyah> journalct1 -xb
[20:15] <daftykins> ah it's not a 1, but an L lowercase
[20:16] <daftykins> journalctl for journal control
[20:19] <daftykins> Safiyyah: any luck?
[20:20] <Safiyyah> https://i.imgur.com/c9BlMeG.jpg
[20:20] <Safiyyah> Now
[20:21] <daftykins> oh it's scrollable
[20:21] <daftykins> cursor keys should let you move down to the end, i see it says 737 lines
[20:21] <Safiyyah> 1500s
[20:22] <Safiyyah> It is at the end
[20:22] <Safiyyah> and now the enter key is not ding anything
[20:22] <Safiyyah> do i type exit?
[20:22] <daftykins> hmm well if there is no obvious error in there or the messages about fsck then perhaps it's best to go straight to the live session from USB
[20:23] <daftykins> plug in a flash drive to boot, hit ctrl+alt+del then get it booted + online?
[20:25] <Safiyyah> https://i.imgur.com/Cejvktb.jpg
[20:25] <Safiyyah> that is the msg before the black screen of death
[20:26] <daftykins> ah ok, bit different to what i was expecting
[20:27] <Safiyyah> Is this meaning something else?
[20:28] <daftykins> it's just giving a chance to skip fsck when it runs, so it could be there's an issue - best you boot a live session
[20:29] <Safiyyah> loading...
[20:31] <budok> hello
[20:31] <daftykins> \o
[20:32] <daftykins> let's get a look at the disk config first then - if you open up a terminal and run "sudo parted -l | pastebinit"
[20:32] <Safiyyah> it is still loading
[20:32] <Safiyyah> maybe its frozen
[20:35] <budok> how to land a job as a linux administrator? pls I want to change career.
[20:35] <diddledan> budok: first: get skilz
[20:35] <diddledan> budok: second: apply for job
[20:35] <diddledan> budok: third: ...
[20:36] <diddledan> budok: fourth: profit?
[20:36] <daftykins> profit!
[20:36] <Safiyyah> lol
[20:36] <Safiyyah> went to get another stick
[20:36] <budok> thats sounds good
[20:36] <Safiyyah> i had two copies one for the latop and one for the esktop
[20:36] <Safiyyah> okay I am in now
[20:37] <daftykins> \o/
[20:37] <budok> no need for qualifications or certificates?
[20:37] <daftykins> budok: where are you at now? experience wise
[20:37] <budok> uk
[20:38] <budok> i been using ubuntu for 8 years
[20:38] <budok> i got little background on apache
[20:39] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/mr_blobby/status/922562954746142721
[20:39] <daftykins> so could you set up a Linux based file and web server if given a spare machine and no google?
[20:39] <Safiyyah> I am running your command
[20:39] <Safiyyah> if that question is directed at me the answer is no
[20:39] <daftykins> nah it wasn't
[20:40] <budok> i can on my locahost machine sharing videos and documents etc
[20:41] <Safiyyah> okay
[20:41] <diddledan> that raises a question: do you know the difference between "localhost" and "the pc I'm currently sat at"? :-)
[20:41] <Safiyyah> your command doesn't fully work
[20:42] <budok> localhost-stanalone pc is personal computer
[20:42] <budok> standalone
[20:43] <diddledan> localhost is a very specific term used in networking
[20:43] <daftykins> Safiyyah: in what way?
[20:43] <daftykins> is the live session online?
[20:43] <diddledan> oh gawd, clones!
[20:44]  * diddledan hides from the invading hordes
[20:44] <Safiyyah> lol
[20:44] <budok> can u broadcast your localhost without static ip?
[20:44] <safiyyah2> https://paste.ubuntu.com/25804030/
[20:44] <Safiyyah> there is an error message
[20:44] <budok> i mean go public-online
[20:45] <Safiyyah> and pastebin made it freeze (even though I installed it first
[20:45] <diddledan> pastebinit, not pastebin
[20:45] <Safiyyah> diddledan, no clones just needed to use the liveUSB for pastebin
[20:45] <Safiyyah> diddledan, yes pastebinit
[20:46] <Safiyyah> I installed and it brought out the warning
[20:46] <Safiyyah> when I ran the command without pastebin I was able to ignore the warning
[20:46] <daftykins> budok: umm you don't appear to know many conventional terms, so i think you might want to start with some qualifications
[20:47] <daftykins> Safiyyah: ok "sudo fsck /dev/sda2"
[20:47] <budok> i know can u help me pls
[20:47] <daftykins> budok: no, you can't be turned into employable material from IRC
[20:47] <budok> thanks
[20:49] <diddledan> I dun giggled: https://t.co/N5PxvNwMo9
[20:49] <safiyyah2> https://paste.ubuntu.com/25804065/
[20:51] <daftykins> kids these days, wow.
[20:51] <daftykins> Safiyyah: same command again but for sda5 and sda6
[20:53] <safiyyah2> https://paste.ubuntu.com/25804094/
[20:54] <daftykins> safiyyah2: ok nice, repair made... now shutdown, unplug the flash drive and try a normal boot
[20:55] <safiyyah2> yeiiiii
[20:57] <Safiyyah> it works!!!!!
[20:57] <Safiyyah> okay can you tell me what happened please?
[20:57] <daftykins> hard powering off caused a disk error, breaking boot
[20:57] <diddledan> the root filesystem had corruption ^^ that
[20:57] <Safiyyah> okay so that is what I told my husband
[20:57] <daftykins> hubby broke it *whistle*
[20:57] <Safiyyah> yes
[20:58] <diddledan> blame the hubby :-p
[20:58] <daftykins> +1
[20:58] <Safiyyah> and he wouldn't dare use his windows laptop like that now would he
[20:58] <diddledan> never "our" fault!
[20:58] <daftykins> i'm shocked he's allowed near your PC! :)
[20:58] <diddledan> lol
[20:58] <Safiyyah> diddledan he powers the machine off from the power button and tells me to stop mourning
[20:58] <Safiyyah> well its the family PC
[20:59] <Safiyyah> kids do their work on there too
[20:59] <Safiyyah> I have a mini laptop
[20:59] <diddledan> moaning* - mourning is what you do when he's done it too many times and broke it beyond repair :-p
[20:59] <Safiyyah> well now he wont be able to talk me down anymore
[20:59] <Safiyyah> because he did actually break it
[20:59] <Safiyyah> he said I was being too fussy and precise
[20:59] <diddledan> at least it's back up now
[21:00] <diddledan> "no use crying over spilt milk" ;-)
[21:00] <Safiyyah> well thank God I have the laptop now
[21:00] <diddledan> \o/
[21:00] <diddledan> personal spaces ftw!
[21:00] <Safiyyah> daftykins, in as much as am not great at linux.... I can't cope with windows
[21:00] <Safiyyah> I wiped my laptop of the crap 3 months in.....
[21:01] <daftykins> works for me (:
[21:01] <Safiyyah> it was fast and okay for 3 weeks then the apps got slower and slower
[21:01] <diddledan> daftykins: your smilie is backasswards :-p
[21:01] <Safiyyah> in the end installed MATE on it and haven't looked back since
[21:01] <diddledan> flexiondotorg will be pleased with another user :-)
[21:02] <Safiyyah> daftykins, consider that you saved my husband a three day arguement with me not talking to him
[21:02] <diddledan> he's the Martin behind Ubuntu Martin^H^HMATE
[21:02] <Safiyyah> a very charitable deed indeed
[21:03] <Safiyyah> last time he ran the upgrade....I was sooooooo mad, I didn't talk to him for 3 days
[21:03] <diddledan> ouch
[21:03] <daftykins> Safiyyah: i still say no dessert for him for a week ;D
[21:03] <Safiyyah> lol, I had customer accounts to finish off, printing for clients
[21:03] <Safiyyah> I was ready to cry
[21:04] <daftykins> but you had the data all backed up onto an external drive right?
[21:04] <Safiyyah> and the scanner is never a straight forward job, and I need it for work
[21:04] <daftykins> if you don't, you really ought to if this thing is freezing up a lot
[21:04] <Safiyyah> I didnt loose any data
[21:04] <daftykins> not *this* time
[21:04] <Safiyyah> I have paid for those thingi majigs that back up everything on a server
[21:05] <diddledan> I'm guessing the reason it wasn't booting fully, and leaving you on black screen was because it was waiting for you to input "yes" to the prompts to fix the errors on the filesystem - problem being black screen meant you didn't see the prompt
[21:05] <Safiyyah> and I had just back up on an external drive that week
[21:05] <Safiyyah> so it wasn't death so to speak
[21:05] <diddledan> backups are important :-)
[21:05] <Safiyyah> but it was extra work that would set me back 2 days when I was already behind
[21:06] <daftykins> back shortly
[21:06] <Safiyyah> that's how it ended up being a 3 day arguement
[21:06] <Safiyyah> this time work is on both the laptop and the desktop
[21:06] <Safiyyah> so I was able to just carry on
[21:06] <Safiyyah> he broke it yesterday btw, but I was working all day and couldn't get to it
[21:07] <Safiyyah> daftykins, for some reason its the streaming videos that cause the freeze
[21:08] <Safiyyah> it's happy with everything else
[21:08] <Safiyyah> my laptop also freezes on google hangouts during my online lessons
[21:08] <Safiyyah> or sometimes when I am teaching and sharing my desktop
[21:08] <Safiyyah> there is something about MATE and the streaming video
[21:13] <Safiyyah> Rightio.... I am a very happy individual, thank you so much again. I might have commited murder tonight if I had to reinstall
[21:14] <Safiyyah> good night daftykins and diddledan
[21:15] <diddledan> nn
[21:34] <daftykins> sheesh
[21:36] <daftykins> i haven't aided a broken Loonix box in ages