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lotuspsychjegood morning to all05:47
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Bashing-omWB lotuspsychje :)05:51
lotuspsychjety Bashing-om05:54
lotuspsychjestil silent in main06:06
jinkMorning, lovely people and lotuspsychje.  (see what I did there?)06:06
lotuspsychjehey jink06:07
Bashing-omGood nite , I leave it with yall \o06:08
lordievaderGood morning06:10
lotuspsychjehey lordievader06:11
lordievaderHey lotuspsychje how are you?06:11
lordievaderWhats is your plan for today?06:11
lotuspsychjelordievader: work at 11, now chilling a bit :p06:12
lotuspsychjeyou?06:12
lordievaderWork with driving lessons in between ;)06:13
lotuspsychjetaking lessons or give?06:13
lordievaderTaking06:13
lotuspsychjecar?06:13
lordievaderYes. It was about time I got a driving license :)06:13
lotuspsychjelordievader: good luck mate06:14
lordievaderHaha, thanks06:14
lotuspsychje=O==O=06:14
lordievaderI've put on an appropriate tshirt: https://akademy.kde.org/sites/akademy.kde.org/files/2016/akademy2016-tshirt.png06:16
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jinklordievader: :)07:39
Ben64lol, bionic beaver08:57
BluesKajHey folks11:38
ducasse\o BluesKaj11:38
BluesKajhey ducasse11:38
EriC^^hey BluesKaj ducasse o/11:39
BluesKajhey EriC^^11:39
EriC^^how's it going?11:40
ducasse\o EriC^^11:40
BluesKajgood here EriC^^,just relaxing with morning coffee, how about you?11:41
EriC^^kind of hungry, going to eat something for lunch11:42
ducassegood idea, /me also needs food11:43
BluesKajone has to eat11:43
ducassebeen too busy paying bills etc. sooo much fun :-/11:45
BluesKajgotta reboot, have a glitch on the desktop and panel ,unresponsivee11:57
BluesKajok, deleted quicklaunch widget from the panel, now all is well. The devels are working on it12:03
EriC^^daftykins would enjoy this one13:20
EriC^^termbin ... no thanks.... hdd model .. XXXXX... UUID ... some weird unicode i didnt even know existed13:20
pauljwHi everyone13:21
BluesKajHi pauljw13:23
pauljw;)13:23
EriC^^hey pauljw :)13:24
BluesKajEriC^^, that guy seems quite secretive about hiding his mistakes :-)13:24
EriC^^he thinks people can know stuff from his hdd model and uuid13:26
EriC^^and termbin .. when he saw netcat he was like whoa! nc!?13:27
EriC^^no thanks13:27
BluesKajyeah, noticed that13:27
EriC^^i'm thinking of just dropping it, he's making it really difficult13:27
pauljwif he won't cooperate, he doesn't need your help.13:28
BluesKajdon't understand his attempts without a method to make the iso bootable in the first palce13:28
daftykinsEriC^^: hehe what's that one? :)15:01
EriC^^daftykins: there was a guy in ubuntu who wouldn't use termbin, removed the hdd model from parted and removed all the uuid's when asked for blkid :D15:16
EriC^^https://ghostbin.com/paste/8pcs715:16
daftykinsXD15:16
daftykinsdon't you mount my disks from the other side of the world! :)15:17
EriC^^haha xD15:17
ducasseEriC^^: he seemed pretty scared when you put nc termbin in that command line :D15:18
EriC^^haha yeah15:19
BluesKajppl hiding linux from the booss on their workstations trying to boot linux with grub on a sdcatrd15:20
BluesKajbooss=boss15:20
EriC^^lol, it would be kind of sad if i helped some guy "hack" his boss's data or something15:22
* BluesKaj wonders if that could work15:22
EriC^^this is why i like to avoid the 'hi i've a pc that doesn't work and i use encryption'15:22
daftykinsXD ah if we all had 1 USD or local currency unit for every time someones encrypted setup had gone wrong15:23
EriC^^yeah it's always such a proverbial fest15:24
daftykinsor just pretty much any user that installs non-LTS releases then breaks it on upgrade15:24
BluesKaj+.0.15:31
BluesKajoops15:31
* BluesKaj just encrypts his password list file15:32
nicomachusJust got my new Moto x4 :D15:51
daftykinso015:52
daftykins5x dead?15:53
nicomachusNo, not this one at least. lol. But I'm getting $150 credit on my phone bill for trading in the 5x for this one. And it's just a better phone all around.15:55
nicomachusextra gig of ram, bigger battery, no known bricking issues15:55
nicomachusmy gf got one too to replace her Nexus 6, which was getting WAY old15:56
daftykinslooks too minor to me15:56
nicomachusthe trade-in value is what really sold it.15:56
nicomachuswe're not going to have a phone bill for like 3 months.15:57
nicomachusplus, ever since 8.0, I've been averaging 96% RAM usage. so the extra gig is a big deal15:57
daftykinsthat's a real stretch justification :)16:00
nicomachuswhy?16:01
* BluesKaj just pays as he goes , of it's just a phone and sometimes a camera to me ...but I'm old .....school16:14
EriC^^i'm having a hard time getting my pizza crust to brown16:14
BluesKajof=of course16:14
EriC^^i can't figure it out, with other dough if i let it sit with low temperature it eventually gets brown, with the pizza if i let it sit the cheese gets all weird16:15
naccEriC^^: it helps (iirc) to oil the crust a bit16:15
EriC^^nacc: yup i saw that on google, i gave it a go and no dice16:15
naccEriC^^: hrm16:15
EriC^^right now i have a pizza, i put it in the middle it's almost done, i just put the temp lower and waiting (the cheese is done too16:16
EriC^^i'm hoping maybe if i almost turn it off and leave it there eventually the convection will get the crust brown and not screw the cheese over?16:16
daftykinsRAM is there to be used16:17
naccEriC^^: this is a from scratch pizza?16:21
EriC^^nacc: you mean made completely from scratch? yes16:24
naccEriC^^: yeah16:29
naccEriC^^: did you par-bake the crust first?16:29
nicomachusdaftykins: it is, but when the Android system uses 75% of it, apps don't get much. And when high-RAM usage games start crashing every coupla minutes... it's a problem.16:32
EriC^^nacc: nope16:32
EriC^^should i give that a go next time?16:32
naccEriC^^: i recommned it in the future :) it makes it a lot easier to get the toppings annd crust to cook the right amount at the same time (and keeps it from getting soggy)16:32
daftykinsnicomachus: works for me :)16:33
EriC^^nacc: cool, thanks :) i'll try it out next time for sure16:33
daftykinsoh games, lol i never play games on my phones16:33
naccEriC^^: i'm trying to recall if there are any other tricks we do ... the biggest issues we hit are moisture in toppings (so e.g., mushrooms, you want to cook separately, imo)16:35
naccEriC^^: and i'm pretty sure we oil the bits of the crust that aren't covered by toppings16:35
EriC^^aha16:35
EriC^^i love mushrooms on it16:39
lotuspsychjegood evening to all17:16
lotuspsychjeanyone knows a device that can detect movement and give email warnings of some kind?17:18
ducassehi lotuspsychje17:19
lotuspsychjemy aunt gets a bit old, and she's looking to warn me on some way17:19
lotuspsychjehey ducasse17:19
ducassean rpi with a camera17:19
nicomachusdaftykins: this phone shipped with 7.1.1, which is odd. idk why it's not 8.017:19
nicomachuslotuspsychje: NEST has some products for that, or you can set up an rpi with a camera like ducasse suggests17:19
lotuspsychjewould that be like 24/7 monitoring cam or so?17:20
daftykinsyeah saw that on the gsmarena.com page17:20
daftykinslotus \o17:20
lotuspsychjehey daftykins & nicomachus :p17:20
nicomachusdaftykins: I figured that would be for other versions, but not the Android One/Project Fi software version. Odd.17:21
lotuspsychjethe idea would be if something happens, i get warned by email or so17:21
nicomachuslotuspsychje: it can be 24/7 if you set it up for that.17:21
lotuspsychjenicomachus: hmm not bad idea https://nest.com/nl/cameras/nest-cam-iq-indoor/overview/17:23
lotuspsychjebbl17:44
nacctroll city today in #ubuntu, ducasse ?17:53
leftyfblooks like it17:53
ducassejeeez, sewage city17:54
leftyfb Kendo_Cocaine is another troll17:54
ducassei can see that :)17:55
leftyfbactually, might not be. But isn't helping things17:55
nicomachusactual troll joins in...17:56
naccsigh17:56
nicomachusinteresting day, nacc?17:56
nicomachusI just peeked in after your 12:53 message17:57
nacci don't know why i bother in #ubuntu on days like today17:58
* daftykins waves from his desert island of exile17:58
daftykins:)17:58
leftyfbkick them all, let their parents deal with them17:58
daftykinsit's nice here...17:58
naccdaftykins: heh17:58
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Thunder_TwWhat a day19:22
Thunder_Twtroll fest19:22
TJ-interesting alternative to the clear-screen command :)19:23
TJ-I've been following the bug report covering kernels not being autoremoved for some time. someone reported a system with 74 kernels, 65 header packages, and 93 extras. Eevn stressed out the inode limit on the root FS.19:32
daftykinsi've had a few fixes in #ubuntu due to that over the years :)19:33
daftykinsbold upgraders19:33
TJ-I suggested years ago we enhance the boot-good code to timestamp and increment a per-kernel-version counter and use that to make decisions on which kernels it is safe to remove. The boot-good code is a communication from Linux to GRUB so GRUB knows whether to wait at its boot menu due to a previous failed boot. I'm feeling like I'm going to write the code and try to get it adopted.19:34
daftykinssounds like a plan, it's a really boring chore sitting and purging old kernels when a new comes out - i do it by hand so the dpkg output is clean19:35
TJ-apt autoremove should be sufficient in most cases19:36
daftykinsseemed to be the source packages that got to the inode limit sooner19:36
daftykinserr or do i mean headers, probably headers19:37
TJ-headers yes19:37
TJ--image- also installs the modules under /lib/modules/$(uname -r) which takes a lot too19:37
TJ-I was thinking the best way to do it is a virtual package that declares Depends: on each kernel version. When a kernel can be released for removal it is removed from the Depends: entry of the virtual package.19:38
TJ-the only problem there is Debian isn't designed to have the package's local control file dynamically updated so I can envisage a lot of resistance from other devs19:39
akikwouldn't a simple solution be "refuse to install kernel if not enough space" ?19:41
akikthat seems to be a bigger problem19:41
TJ-well in theory that should already happen because each package declares its installed size, specifically to check there's space19:41
daftykinsonly if someone is hanging onto a separate /boot partition scenario19:41
TJ-The problem is that can't account for the dynamically built initrd images19:42
TJ-and dkms doesn't help because it creates, and leaves behind, initrd-*.dkms-old images too19:42
daftykinscan only imagine how long a new install lasted for that user you mentioned given the rebuilds XD19:42
akikit has bitten me on this laptop with a separate /boot19:42
daftykinsstop using one then :) i did19:42
TJ-the reason the devs have resisted they're afraid they could cause an older kernel that the user is still booting from to be removed.19:43
TJ-That's why I think the solution is to have a combined counter/timestamp per-kernel-version and use that to determine the removals19:43
TJ-combined with a helper that lists the kernels and asks the user which they approve of being removed (showing the boot count and last boot date) would help alot19:44
akiki found one guide that was about having /boot also encrypted but didn't try to do it yet. my /boot is unencrypted19:46
TJ-All mine are19:46
TJ-I've always thought there's no point encrypting root and others if you leave the initrd open to be changed19:53
akikthis is the guide i found http://www.pavelkogan.com/2014/05/23/luks-full-disk-encryption/20:03
TJ-That looks very confusing!20:03
TJ-All you need is to encrypt /boot/ ensure it is mounted and the kernels/grub/ are all copied into it so it is ready, then edit /etc/default/grub and add "GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y" and then "sudo update-grub"20:04
daftykins"luks" confusing? ;D20:04
TJ-and then "sudo grub-install" to write the new core-image that has the luks/dm-crypt module added20:05
TJ-This won't work on UEFI systems using Secure Boot with the Canonical keys because those grubx64.efi images are signed by canonical and, last time I checked, they're not including the luks and cipher modules in their image. If you manage your own SB key with MOK, you can sign the image of course20:06
akikreally that simple?20:06
TJ-akik: yup. I've been running all my systems like this since at least 201020:07
akikthanks need to test it soonish20:07
TJ-akik: the only drawback for standard packages is that it only support LUKS passphrases, not key-files, currently, although there are patches for GRUB to support keyfiles. Doesn't help much since systemd-cryptsetup doesn't support keyfiles either (that has to be ripped out so you can use the original cryptsetup initrd/init scripts for key-file support)20:08
TJ-akik: play in a small VM image20:08
akikTJ-: i noticed some months ago that i needed to add the lvm module into the initrd even though i'm not using lvm20:09
akikjust basic partitions20:09
akikin /etc/initramfs-tools/modules20:09
TJ-it'll be included if LVM is in use but not otherwise.20:10
TJ-I generally reduce the size of the initrd considerably by setting MODULES=dep rather than MODULES-most so it doesn't copy in all those modules the system will never need during initrd.20:11
TJ-it makes a very big difference20:11
TJ-Then because my systems are using  key-file patches I use /etc/initramfs-tools/modules to include modules for usb mass-storage and usbhid (keyboard) support, and file-systems, and so on, to ensure key-file devices can be found and read20:13
akikTJ-: did you mean your system had systemd-cryptsetup? i don't have that package20:31
TJ-it's part of systemd: /lib/systemd/systemd-cryptsetup20:32
TJ-akik: it reads the /etc/cryptab and has a generator to cause the startup prompt for the passphrase (via plymouth)20:33
TJ-see e.g. "dpkg -L systemd | grep cryptsetup"20:33
akikTJ-: so you removed that file?20:33
TJ-akik: there's a bit more to it than that :) I intend to put a script together soonish and publish it since Poettering refuses to implement key-file support20:39
akikok i'm happy to enter the password manually20:40
TJ-I've been toying with patches to allow GRUB to get the key over the network. initrd can already do that via a key-script20:41
akiki'm not sure though, i have a keyfile opening /dev/mapper/swap in /etc/crypttab20:41
TJ-that uses an ephemeral key though (swap)20:41
TJ-doesn't it? or you mean you've added that yourself?20:41
akikyes after the initial setup20:42
akikswap UUID=bd2f23d1-ef8d-4883-b6bf-ea78e8bf515b /root/swapkey luks,discard20:42
TJ-I don't bother with swap nowadays. I've not seen a need for it now we have oodles of RAM20:43
akiksome do :)20:43
TJ-It only gets used for hibernamte20:43
akik8 gigs is plenty for me20:45
TJ-I've not found need for more than that on any desktop/dev machine. For servers it helps to have more though, especially now they're running lots of containers/VMs20:46
nicomachus8 is plenty here. 4 was too little, but 8 has been great. now I'm bottlenecking at the CPU and thermals.20:47
TJ-yes, I find 8GB + SSD is fine on systems going back 10 years. I use such for my main workstation (the one with 6 monitors) and it's never held me back20:49
akikTJ-: what does a six monitor setup look like?20:50
akiki saw that samsung super ultra wide display and went woaaaahhhh20:50
TJ-akik http://iam.tj/photos/Study-workstation.jpg20:50
nicomachusTJ-: are you driving all those with that little laptop?20:54
TJ-nicomachus: yes. It has a ViDock attached to its ExpressCard port, and there's an Nvidia NVS420 4-output GPU in that (under the desk!) The internal Nvidia GPU also drives an external monitor via HDMI20:55
TJ-these Dell XPS laptops are incredibly expandable. Three full mini-pcie expansion bays with an easy-access flap and a SIM-card slot too (dual-band wifi, cellular modem, etc)20:57
TJ-1920x1200 res on all 6 screens20:58
Bashing-omBuild it ^^ and they will come :)20:59
nicomachusTJ-: ah, I see. impressive little machine there, then.21:01
leftyfbanother troll?21:02
TJ-nicomachus: yeah. I have several of them all configured identically21:02
daftykinswhich model XPS?21:45
daftykinsmy 13 isn't like that :> but it is ace21:45
TJ-XPS m153021:50
TJ-daftykins: this should interest you. Windows kernel-mode ZFS driver:  https://github.com/lundman/zfsin21:56
daftykinso021:56
TJ-daftykins: and Hacker News commentary: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1554919021:56
Drunkhawk91Hi23:30
Bashing-omDrunkhawk91: :) .. TJ- will be with you in short order .23:34
TJ-Drunkhawk91: hiya23:34
TJ-Drunkhawk91: There's a fatal error in that DSDT when trying to compile it.23:35
Drunkhawk91TJ-: when recompiling the DSDT.dsl ?23:37
TJ-Yes23:37
Drunkhawk91I had several warnings but no errors23:37
TJ-Before you go to that step, did you install the latest firmware? The post in the forum thread you linked to says firmware v221 contains the fix23:38
TJ-Drunkhawk91: I get this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25820098/23:39
Drunkhawk91yes that was the first thing I tried, BIOS v22123:39
TJ-Drunkhawk91: maybe you can make the required change to your DSDT.dsl that is required. Open it in an edito23:39
TJ-Drunkhawk91: v221 didn't fix it for you? where "it" is no Wifi ?23:39
Drunkhawk91the wifi worked almost out the box with proper firmware23:41
Drunkhawk91but microSD card still undetected23:41
TJ-Drunkhawk91: hmmm, well that fix is for the address of the wireless, isn't it?23:41
TJ-did you increment the the revision number in the DefinitionBlock ?23:42
Drunkhawk91TJ-: according to https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1667544#p1667544 it might fix the SD issue too23:43
Drunkhawk91TJ-: Yes I did23:43
TJ-Drunkhawk91: OK, that's the important bit then!23:44
Drunkhawk91TJ-: that's my output after recompiling modified dsl23:45
Drunkhawk91http://paste.ubuntu.com/25820131/23:45
TJ-Drunkhawk91: excuse me if I give you instructions you've already done, but this is how it is done:23:45
TJ-mkdir -p kernel/firmware/acpi23:45
TJ-cp dsdt.aml kernel/firmware/acpi23:45
TJ-find kernel | cpio -H newc --create > ./initrd_prefix23:46
TJ-cat ./initrd_prefix /boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r) >./initrd.img-$(uname -r)23:47
TJ-then backup the existing initrd: "sudo mv /boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r) /boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r).backup"23:48
TJ-and finally put your modification in its place: "sudo cp ./initrd.img-$(uname -r) /boot/"23:48
TJ-In *theory* on next reboot with that kernel version, the newer DSDT should replace the firmware's version23:49
TJ-Drunkhawk91: not changes required to the GRUB config at all23:49
TJ-Drunkhawk91: so if you've done any of that, remove it all23:49
TJ-s/not/no/23:49
Drunkhawk91I'm rebooting!23:52
Drunkhawk91TJ-: ACPI: Table Upgrade: override [DSDT-_ASUS_-Notebook] :)23:55
Drunkhawk91TJ-: but still doesn't fix this SD card issue (I got mmc2 errors in dmesg)23:57
Drunkhawk91TJ-: but no more ACPI warnings/errors in dmesg! Thanks a lot!23:57
TJ-Drunkhawk91: well at least you got the ACPI solved. you're the first person I know of to have used that method23:57
TJ-Drunkhawk91: can you "pastebinit <( dmesg )"23:58
Drunkhawk91http://paste.ubuntu.com/25820196/23:58

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