Bashing-om | chromium-browser (62.0.3202.62-0ubuntu0.16.04.1308) is on the street :) | 04:51 |
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Bashing-om | !info chromium-browser xenial | 04:52 |
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lotuspsychje | good morning to all | 05:47 |
=== JanC_ is now known as JanC | ||
Bashing-om | WB lotuspsychje :) | 05:51 |
lotuspsychje | ty Bashing-om | 05:54 |
lotuspsychje | stil silent in main | 06:06 |
jink | Morning, lovely people and lotuspsychje. (see what I did there?) | 06:06 |
lotuspsychje | hey jink | 06:07 |
Bashing-om | Good nite , I leave it with yall \o | 06:08 |
lordievader | Good morning | 06:10 |
lotuspsychje | hey lordievader | 06:11 |
lordievader | Hey lotuspsychje how are you? | 06:11 |
lordievader | Whats is your plan for today? | 06:11 |
lotuspsychje | lordievader: work at 11, now chilling a bit :p | 06:12 |
lotuspsychje | you? | 06:12 |
lordievader | Work with driving lessons in between ;) | 06:13 |
lotuspsychje | taking lessons or give? | 06:13 |
lordievader | Taking | 06:13 |
lotuspsychje | car? | 06:13 |
lordievader | Yes. It was about time I got a driving license :) | 06:13 |
lotuspsychje | lordievader: good luck mate | 06:14 |
lordievader | Haha, thanks | 06:14 |
lotuspsychje | =O==O= | 06:14 |
lordievader | I've put on an appropriate tshirt: https://akademy.kde.org/sites/akademy.kde.org/files/2016/akademy2016-tshirt.png | 06:16 |
=== elky is now known as el | ||
jink | lordievader: :) | 07:39 |
Ben64 | lol, bionic beaver | 08:57 |
BluesKaj | Hey folks | 11:38 |
ducasse | \o BluesKaj | 11:38 |
BluesKaj | hey ducasse | 11:38 |
EriC^^ | hey BluesKaj ducasse o/ | 11:39 |
BluesKaj | hey EriC^^ | 11:39 |
EriC^^ | how's it going? | 11:40 |
ducasse | \o EriC^^ | 11:40 |
BluesKaj | good here EriC^^,just relaxing with morning coffee, how about you? | 11:41 |
EriC^^ | kind of hungry, going to eat something for lunch | 11:42 |
ducasse | good idea, /me also needs food | 11:43 |
BluesKaj | one has to eat | 11:43 |
ducasse | been too busy paying bills etc. sooo much fun :-/ | 11:45 |
BluesKaj | gotta reboot, have a glitch on the desktop and panel ,unresponsivee | 11:57 |
BluesKaj | ok, deleted quicklaunch widget from the panel, now all is well. The devels are working on it | 12:03 |
EriC^^ | daftykins would enjoy this one | 13:20 |
EriC^^ | termbin ... no thanks.... hdd model .. XXXXX... UUID ... some weird unicode i didnt even know existed | 13:20 |
pauljw | Hi everyone | 13:21 |
BluesKaj | Hi pauljw | 13:23 |
pauljw | ;) | 13:23 |
EriC^^ | hey pauljw :) | 13:24 |
BluesKaj | EriC^^, that guy seems quite secretive about hiding his mistakes :-) | 13:24 |
EriC^^ | he thinks people can know stuff from his hdd model and uuid | 13:26 |
EriC^^ | and termbin .. when he saw netcat he was like whoa! nc!? | 13:27 |
EriC^^ | no thanks | 13:27 |
BluesKaj | yeah, noticed that | 13:27 |
EriC^^ | i'm thinking of just dropping it, he's making it really difficult | 13:27 |
pauljw | if he won't cooperate, he doesn't need your help. | 13:28 |
BluesKaj | don't understand his attempts without a method to make the iso bootable in the first palce | 13:28 |
daftykins | EriC^^: hehe what's that one? :) | 15:01 |
EriC^^ | daftykins: there was a guy in ubuntu who wouldn't use termbin, removed the hdd model from parted and removed all the uuid's when asked for blkid :D | 15:16 |
EriC^^ | https://ghostbin.com/paste/8pcs7 | 15:16 |
daftykins | XD | 15:16 |
daftykins | don't you mount my disks from the other side of the world! :) | 15:17 |
EriC^^ | haha xD | 15:17 |
ducasse | EriC^^: he seemed pretty scared when you put nc termbin in that command line :D | 15:18 |
EriC^^ | haha yeah | 15:19 |
BluesKaj | ppl hiding linux from the booss on their workstations trying to boot linux with grub on a sdcatrd | 15:20 |
BluesKaj | booss=boss | 15:20 |
EriC^^ | lol, it would be kind of sad if i helped some guy "hack" his boss's data or something | 15:22 |
* BluesKaj wonders if that could work | 15:22 | |
EriC^^ | this is why i like to avoid the 'hi i've a pc that doesn't work and i use encryption' | 15:22 |
daftykins | XD ah if we all had 1 USD or local currency unit for every time someones encrypted setup had gone wrong | 15:23 |
EriC^^ | yeah it's always such a proverbial fest | 15:24 |
daftykins | or just pretty much any user that installs non-LTS releases then breaks it on upgrade | 15:24 |
BluesKaj | +.0. | 15:31 |
BluesKaj | oops | 15:31 |
* BluesKaj just encrypts his password list file | 15:32 | |
nicomachus | Just got my new Moto x4 :D | 15:51 |
daftykins | o0 | 15:52 |
daftykins | 5x dead? | 15:53 |
nicomachus | No, not this one at least. lol. But I'm getting $150 credit on my phone bill for trading in the 5x for this one. And it's just a better phone all around. | 15:55 |
nicomachus | extra gig of ram, bigger battery, no known bricking issues | 15:55 |
nicomachus | my gf got one too to replace her Nexus 6, which was getting WAY old | 15:56 |
daftykins | looks too minor to me | 15:56 |
nicomachus | the trade-in value is what really sold it. | 15:56 |
nicomachus | we're not going to have a phone bill for like 3 months. | 15:57 |
nicomachus | plus, ever since 8.0, I've been averaging 96% RAM usage. so the extra gig is a big deal | 15:57 |
daftykins | that's a real stretch justification :) | 16:00 |
nicomachus | why? | 16:01 |
* BluesKaj just pays as he goes , of it's just a phone and sometimes a camera to me ...but I'm old .....school | 16:14 | |
EriC^^ | i'm having a hard time getting my pizza crust to brown | 16:14 |
BluesKaj | of=of course | 16:14 |
EriC^^ | i can't figure it out, with other dough if i let it sit with low temperature it eventually gets brown, with the pizza if i let it sit the cheese gets all weird | 16:15 |
nacc | EriC^^: it helps (iirc) to oil the crust a bit | 16:15 |
EriC^^ | nacc: yup i saw that on google, i gave it a go and no dice | 16:15 |
nacc | EriC^^: hrm | 16:15 |
EriC^^ | right now i have a pizza, i put it in the middle it's almost done, i just put the temp lower and waiting (the cheese is done too | 16:16 |
EriC^^ | i'm hoping maybe if i almost turn it off and leave it there eventually the convection will get the crust brown and not screw the cheese over? | 16:16 |
daftykins | RAM is there to be used | 16:17 |
nacc | EriC^^: this is a from scratch pizza? | 16:21 |
EriC^^ | nacc: you mean made completely from scratch? yes | 16:24 |
nacc | EriC^^: yeah | 16:29 |
nacc | EriC^^: did you par-bake the crust first? | 16:29 |
nicomachus | daftykins: it is, but when the Android system uses 75% of it, apps don't get much. And when high-RAM usage games start crashing every coupla minutes... it's a problem. | 16:32 |
EriC^^ | nacc: nope | 16:32 |
EriC^^ | should i give that a go next time? | 16:32 |
nacc | EriC^^: i recommned it in the future :) it makes it a lot easier to get the toppings annd crust to cook the right amount at the same time (and keeps it from getting soggy) | 16:32 |
daftykins | nicomachus: works for me :) | 16:33 |
EriC^^ | nacc: cool, thanks :) i'll try it out next time for sure | 16:33 |
daftykins | oh games, lol i never play games on my phones | 16:33 |
nacc | EriC^^: i'm trying to recall if there are any other tricks we do ... the biggest issues we hit are moisture in toppings (so e.g., mushrooms, you want to cook separately, imo) | 16:35 |
nacc | EriC^^: and i'm pretty sure we oil the bits of the crust that aren't covered by toppings | 16:35 |
EriC^^ | aha | 16:35 |
EriC^^ | i love mushrooms on it | 16:39 |
lotuspsychje | good evening to all | 17:16 |
lotuspsychje | anyone knows a device that can detect movement and give email warnings of some kind? | 17:18 |
ducasse | hi lotuspsychje | 17:19 |
lotuspsychje | my aunt gets a bit old, and she's looking to warn me on some way | 17:19 |
lotuspsychje | hey ducasse | 17:19 |
ducasse | an rpi with a camera | 17:19 |
nicomachus | daftykins: this phone shipped with 7.1.1, which is odd. idk why it's not 8.0 | 17:19 |
nicomachus | lotuspsychje: NEST has some products for that, or you can set up an rpi with a camera like ducasse suggests | 17:19 |
lotuspsychje | would that be like 24/7 monitoring cam or so? | 17:20 |
daftykins | yeah saw that on the gsmarena.com page | 17:20 |
daftykins | lotus \o | 17:20 |
lotuspsychje | hey daftykins & nicomachus :p | 17:20 |
nicomachus | daftykins: I figured that would be for other versions, but not the Android One/Project Fi software version. Odd. | 17:21 |
lotuspsychje | the idea would be if something happens, i get warned by email or so | 17:21 |
nicomachus | lotuspsychje: it can be 24/7 if you set it up for that. | 17:21 |
lotuspsychje | nicomachus: hmm not bad idea https://nest.com/nl/cameras/nest-cam-iq-indoor/overview/ | 17:23 |
lotuspsychje | bbl | 17:44 |
nacc | troll city today in #ubuntu, ducasse ? | 17:53 |
leftyfb | looks like it | 17:53 |
ducasse | jeeez, sewage city | 17:54 |
leftyfb | Kendo_Cocaine is another troll | 17:54 |
ducasse | i can see that :) | 17:55 |
leftyfb | actually, might not be. But isn't helping things | 17:55 |
nicomachus | actual troll joins in... | 17:56 |
nacc | sigh | 17:56 |
nicomachus | interesting day, nacc? | 17:56 |
nicomachus | I just peeked in after your 12:53 message | 17:57 |
nacc | i don't know why i bother in #ubuntu on days like today | 17:58 |
* daftykins waves from his desert island of exile | 17:58 | |
daftykins | :) | 17:58 |
leftyfb | kick them all, let their parents deal with them | 17:58 |
daftykins | it's nice here... | 17:58 |
nacc | daftykins: heh | 17:58 |
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Thunder_Tw | What a day | 19:22 |
Thunder_Tw | troll fest | 19:22 |
TJ- | interesting alternative to the clear-screen command :) | 19:23 |
TJ- | I've been following the bug report covering kernels not being autoremoved for some time. someone reported a system with 74 kernels, 65 header packages, and 93 extras. Eevn stressed out the inode limit on the root FS. | 19:32 |
daftykins | i've had a few fixes in #ubuntu due to that over the years :) | 19:33 |
daftykins | bold upgraders | 19:33 |
TJ- | I suggested years ago we enhance the boot-good code to timestamp and increment a per-kernel-version counter and use that to make decisions on which kernels it is safe to remove. The boot-good code is a communication from Linux to GRUB so GRUB knows whether to wait at its boot menu due to a previous failed boot. I'm feeling like I'm going to write the code and try to get it adopted. | 19:34 |
daftykins | sounds like a plan, it's a really boring chore sitting and purging old kernels when a new comes out - i do it by hand so the dpkg output is clean | 19:35 |
TJ- | apt autoremove should be sufficient in most cases | 19:36 |
daftykins | seemed to be the source packages that got to the inode limit sooner | 19:36 |
daftykins | err or do i mean headers, probably headers | 19:37 |
TJ- | headers yes | 19:37 |
TJ- | -image- also installs the modules under /lib/modules/$(uname -r) which takes a lot too | 19:37 |
TJ- | I was thinking the best way to do it is a virtual package that declares Depends: on each kernel version. When a kernel can be released for removal it is removed from the Depends: entry of the virtual package. | 19:38 |
TJ- | the only problem there is Debian isn't designed to have the package's local control file dynamically updated so I can envisage a lot of resistance from other devs | 19:39 |
akik | wouldn't a simple solution be "refuse to install kernel if not enough space" ? | 19:41 |
akik | that seems to be a bigger problem | 19:41 |
TJ- | well in theory that should already happen because each package declares its installed size, specifically to check there's space | 19:41 |
daftykins | only if someone is hanging onto a separate /boot partition scenario | 19:41 |
TJ- | The problem is that can't account for the dynamically built initrd images | 19:42 |
TJ- | and dkms doesn't help because it creates, and leaves behind, initrd-*.dkms-old images too | 19:42 |
daftykins | can only imagine how long a new install lasted for that user you mentioned given the rebuilds XD | 19:42 |
akik | it has bitten me on this laptop with a separate /boot | 19:42 |
daftykins | stop using one then :) i did | 19:42 |
TJ- | the reason the devs have resisted they're afraid they could cause an older kernel that the user is still booting from to be removed. | 19:43 |
TJ- | That's why I think the solution is to have a combined counter/timestamp per-kernel-version and use that to determine the removals | 19:43 |
TJ- | combined with a helper that lists the kernels and asks the user which they approve of being removed (showing the boot count and last boot date) would help alot | 19:44 |
akik | i found one guide that was about having /boot also encrypted but didn't try to do it yet. my /boot is unencrypted | 19:46 |
TJ- | All mine are | 19:46 |
TJ- | I've always thought there's no point encrypting root and others if you leave the initrd open to be changed | 19:53 |
akik | this is the guide i found http://www.pavelkogan.com/2014/05/23/luks-full-disk-encryption/ | 20:03 |
TJ- | That looks very confusing! | 20:03 |
TJ- | All you need is to encrypt /boot/ ensure it is mounted and the kernels/grub/ are all copied into it so it is ready, then edit /etc/default/grub and add "GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y" and then "sudo update-grub" | 20:04 |
daftykins | "luks" confusing? ;D | 20:04 |
TJ- | and then "sudo grub-install" to write the new core-image that has the luks/dm-crypt module added | 20:05 |
TJ- | This won't work on UEFI systems using Secure Boot with the Canonical keys because those grubx64.efi images are signed by canonical and, last time I checked, they're not including the luks and cipher modules in their image. If you manage your own SB key with MOK, you can sign the image of course | 20:06 |
akik | really that simple? | 20:06 |
TJ- | akik: yup. I've been running all my systems like this since at least 2010 | 20:07 |
akik | thanks need to test it soonish | 20:07 |
TJ- | akik: the only drawback for standard packages is that it only support LUKS passphrases, not key-files, currently, although there are patches for GRUB to support keyfiles. Doesn't help much since systemd-cryptsetup doesn't support keyfiles either (that has to be ripped out so you can use the original cryptsetup initrd/init scripts for key-file support) | 20:08 |
TJ- | akik: play in a small VM image | 20:08 |
akik | TJ-: i noticed some months ago that i needed to add the lvm module into the initrd even though i'm not using lvm | 20:09 |
akik | just basic partitions | 20:09 |
akik | in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules | 20:09 |
TJ- | it'll be included if LVM is in use but not otherwise. | 20:10 |
TJ- | I generally reduce the size of the initrd considerably by setting MODULES=dep rather than MODULES-most so it doesn't copy in all those modules the system will never need during initrd. | 20:11 |
TJ- | it makes a very big difference | 20:11 |
TJ- | Then because my systems are using key-file patches I use /etc/initramfs-tools/modules to include modules for usb mass-storage and usbhid (keyboard) support, and file-systems, and so on, to ensure key-file devices can be found and read | 20:13 |
akik | TJ-: did you mean your system had systemd-cryptsetup? i don't have that package | 20:31 |
TJ- | it's part of systemd: /lib/systemd/systemd-cryptsetup | 20:32 |
TJ- | akik: it reads the /etc/cryptab and has a generator to cause the startup prompt for the passphrase (via plymouth) | 20:33 |
TJ- | see e.g. "dpkg -L systemd | grep cryptsetup" | 20:33 |
akik | TJ-: so you removed that file? | 20:33 |
TJ- | akik: there's a bit more to it than that :) I intend to put a script together soonish and publish it since Poettering refuses to implement key-file support | 20:39 |
akik | ok i'm happy to enter the password manually | 20:40 |
TJ- | I've been toying with patches to allow GRUB to get the key over the network. initrd can already do that via a key-script | 20:41 |
akik | i'm not sure though, i have a keyfile opening /dev/mapper/swap in /etc/crypttab | 20:41 |
TJ- | that uses an ephemeral key though (swap) | 20:41 |
TJ- | doesn't it? or you mean you've added that yourself? | 20:41 |
akik | yes after the initial setup | 20:42 |
akik | swap UUID=bd2f23d1-ef8d-4883-b6bf-ea78e8bf515b /root/swapkey luks,discard | 20:42 |
TJ- | I don't bother with swap nowadays. I've not seen a need for it now we have oodles of RAM | 20:43 |
akik | some do :) | 20:43 |
TJ- | It only gets used for hibernamte | 20:43 |
akik | 8 gigs is plenty for me | 20:45 |
TJ- | I've not found need for more than that on any desktop/dev machine. For servers it helps to have more though, especially now they're running lots of containers/VMs | 20:46 |
nicomachus | 8 is plenty here. 4 was too little, but 8 has been great. now I'm bottlenecking at the CPU and thermals. | 20:47 |
TJ- | yes, I find 8GB + SSD is fine on systems going back 10 years. I use such for my main workstation (the one with 6 monitors) and it's never held me back | 20:49 |
akik | TJ-: what does a six monitor setup look like? | 20:50 |
akik | i saw that samsung super ultra wide display and went woaaaahhhh | 20:50 |
TJ- | akik http://iam.tj/photos/Study-workstation.jpg | 20:50 |
nicomachus | TJ-: are you driving all those with that little laptop? | 20:54 |
TJ- | nicomachus: yes. It has a ViDock attached to its ExpressCard port, and there's an Nvidia NVS420 4-output GPU in that (under the desk!) The internal Nvidia GPU also drives an external monitor via HDMI | 20:55 |
TJ- | these Dell XPS laptops are incredibly expandable. Three full mini-pcie expansion bays with an easy-access flap and a SIM-card slot too (dual-band wifi, cellular modem, etc) | 20:57 |
TJ- | 1920x1200 res on all 6 screens | 20:58 |
Bashing-om | Build it ^^ and they will come :) | 20:59 |
nicomachus | TJ-: ah, I see. impressive little machine there, then. | 21:01 |
leftyfb | another troll? | 21:02 |
TJ- | nicomachus: yeah. I have several of them all configured identically | 21:02 |
daftykins | which model XPS? | 21:45 |
daftykins | my 13 isn't like that :> but it is ace | 21:45 |
TJ- | XPS m1530 | 21:50 |
TJ- | daftykins: this should interest you. Windows kernel-mode ZFS driver: https://github.com/lundman/zfsin | 21:56 |
daftykins | o0 | 21:56 |
TJ- | daftykins: and Hacker News commentary: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15549190 | 21:56 |
Drunkhawk91 | Hi | 23:30 |
Bashing-om | Drunkhawk91: :) .. TJ- will be with you in short order . | 23:34 |
TJ- | Drunkhawk91: hiya | 23:34 |
TJ- | Drunkhawk91: There's a fatal error in that DSDT when trying to compile it. | 23:35 |
Drunkhawk91 | TJ-: when recompiling the DSDT.dsl ? | 23:37 |
TJ- | Yes | 23:37 |
Drunkhawk91 | I had several warnings but no errors | 23:37 |
TJ- | Before you go to that step, did you install the latest firmware? The post in the forum thread you linked to says firmware v221 contains the fix | 23:38 |
TJ- | Drunkhawk91: I get this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25820098/ | 23:39 |
Drunkhawk91 | yes that was the first thing I tried, BIOS v221 | 23:39 |
TJ- | Drunkhawk91: maybe you can make the required change to your DSDT.dsl that is required. Open it in an edito | 23:39 |
TJ- | Drunkhawk91: v221 didn't fix it for you? where "it" is no Wifi ? | 23:39 |
Drunkhawk91 | the wifi worked almost out the box with proper firmware | 23:41 |
Drunkhawk91 | but microSD card still undetected | 23:41 |
TJ- | Drunkhawk91: hmmm, well that fix is for the address of the wireless, isn't it? | 23:41 |
TJ- | did you increment the the revision number in the DefinitionBlock ? | 23:42 |
Drunkhawk91 | TJ-: according to https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1667544#p1667544 it might fix the SD issue too | 23:43 |
Drunkhawk91 | TJ-: Yes I did | 23:43 |
TJ- | Drunkhawk91: OK, that's the important bit then! | 23:44 |
Drunkhawk91 | TJ-: that's my output after recompiling modified dsl | 23:45 |
Drunkhawk91 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/25820131/ | 23:45 |
TJ- | Drunkhawk91: excuse me if I give you instructions you've already done, but this is how it is done: | 23:45 |
TJ- | mkdir -p kernel/firmware/acpi | 23:45 |
TJ- | cp dsdt.aml kernel/firmware/acpi | 23:45 |
TJ- | find kernel | cpio -H newc --create > ./initrd_prefix | 23:46 |
TJ- | cat ./initrd_prefix /boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r) >./initrd.img-$(uname -r) | 23:47 |
TJ- | then backup the existing initrd: "sudo mv /boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r) /boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r).backup" | 23:48 |
TJ- | and finally put your modification in its place: "sudo cp ./initrd.img-$(uname -r) /boot/" | 23:48 |
TJ- | In *theory* on next reboot with that kernel version, the newer DSDT should replace the firmware's version | 23:49 |
TJ- | Drunkhawk91: not changes required to the GRUB config at all | 23:49 |
TJ- | Drunkhawk91: so if you've done any of that, remove it all | 23:49 |
TJ- | s/not/no/ | 23:49 |
Drunkhawk91 | I'm rebooting! | 23:52 |
Drunkhawk91 | TJ-: ACPI: Table Upgrade: override [DSDT-_ASUS_-Notebook] :) | 23:55 |
Drunkhawk91 | TJ-: but still doesn't fix this SD card issue (I got mmc2 errors in dmesg) | 23:57 |
Drunkhawk91 | TJ-: but no more ACPI warnings/errors in dmesg! Thanks a lot! | 23:57 |
TJ- | Drunkhawk91: well at least you got the ACPI solved. you're the first person I know of to have used that method | 23:57 |
TJ- | Drunkhawk91: can you "pastebinit <( dmesg )" | 23:58 |
Drunkhawk91 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/25820196/ | 23:58 |
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