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tsimonq2dekonomics: This seems like a question better suited for #ubuntu, maybe try there :)00:00
dekonomicsOh it isnt lubuntu specific?00:00
tsimonq2Nope :)00:00
dekonomicsI had no problems installing dualboot ubuntu and windows 7 tho00:01
dekonomicsI basically did the same with lubuntu00:01
tsimonq2What's different besides the DE?00:01
tsimonq2Like, same versions?00:01
dekonomicsIkr thats what i was wondering00:02
dekonomicsOh and theres this weird vertical stripe on the left side00:02
tsimonq2Hmm, let me poke ubottu, that intelligent bot knows a bit :)00:02
tsimonq2!dualboot00:02
ubottuDual boot instructions: x86/AMD64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DualBoot/Windows - Macs: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro https://help.ubuntu.com/community/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot00:02
tsimonq2That could possibly have answers00:02
tsimonq2dekonomics: And about the stripe, you didn't have this with Ubuntu? When is it present?00:03
dekonomicsShould i just use rufus?00:03
dekonomicsCoz right now im using YUMI00:03
tsimonq2Might not be a bad idea.00:03
dekonomicsNot in ubuntu. This is the first time ive seen it. Might be a graphics card thing. Its still in liveCD00:03
daxrufus is what i use for boot media, if that's what you're trying to do00:04
daxhas never failed me00:04
dekonomicsYUMI never failed me too, maybe this will be the first time00:04
tsimonq2dekonomics: Which version of Ubuntu did you use and which version of Lubuntu is this?00:04
dekonomicsTo be completely honest, im dumbfounded why its even having this problem00:04
dekonomics17.1000:04
dekonomicsUbuntu was 16.something00:05
tsimonq2Try Lubuntu 16.0400:05
dekonomicsThe LTS one00:05
dekonomicsWill do. Brb00:05
dekonomicsDoes "never boot to legacy" still apply?00:08
tsimonq2I think00:08
tsimonq2Not 100% sure to be completely hoest with you :)00:08
tsimonq2*honest00:08
dekonomicsIll just never use it then lol. I dont see any benefit anyways. I think windows will never boot in legacy when youve already installed it in UEFI00:11
dekonomicsWell im not sure so i asked. Lol00:11
dekonomicsI shouldnt have cheap out on this flash drive... I didnt think it would take me this long to install this OS lol00:21
dekonomicsIf all else fails ill just install ubuntu and call it a day.00:22
dekonomicsOh hey, thr vertical stripe is gone. I hope all is well now00:30
dekonomicsHey, i think i know where im having a problem.00:34
dekonomicsWhen im installing lubuntu should it say "install along side Windows 7"00:34
dekonomicsMine says "install along side Windows Boot Manager"00:34
dekonomicsIf im right then this installation is broken again00:35
dekonomicsHuh. Booted straight to windows 7.00:36
CesarwizHello05:07
CesarwizI'm trying to install lubuntu in a laptop Dell Inspiron 220005:07
Cesarwizpentium M 1.2 GB RAM05:08
Cesarwizbut no success until now05:08
CesarwizI'm from Mexico05:08
Cesarwizplease need your help05:08
Cesarwizinstalling from DVD05:08
Cesarwizdownload from intenert a created a DVD ISO05:09
Cesarwizwhat should I do now05:10
Cesarwizplease05:10
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n-iCehi16:08
mpahi16:12
mpai have one problem after upgrade at lubuntu 17.1016:13
n-iCewhich is16:14
mpawhen i open software to download, it is impossibile because say me "you dont have permission" how to fix it?16:14
mpafirst dont appear16:15
n-iCeuse sudo16:15
mpato open application "software"?16:16
krytarikRather not.16:16
n-iCetry, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade16:17
n-iCeand try again16:17
mpanothing...16:19
n-iCeok16:20
n-iCehttps://askubuntu.com/questions/333919/no-permissions-for-software-center16:21
mpai see but it is regular16:26
n-iCeregular what16:27
krytarikmpa: Did the commands work though?16:28
mpathe file is all ok16:30
mpayes the commands work16:31
mpanothing...i do copy and paste but is impossibile to download software16:41
mpait requires me to register a snap shop16:42
wxljust to be clear, are we talking about synaptic or the old lubuntu software center?16:43
krytarikgnome-software16:44
wxloh great.16:44
wxlwell i guess one could continue to use synaptic or just use apt16:46
agaidabut apt is so ancient  and so 19. century16:46
* wxl slaps agaida 16:46
agaidahihihi16:47
agaidaand s/could/should16:47
wxlactually, DOES apt or synaptic work, mpa ?16:51
mpayes16:56
mpawork16:56
wxlwell that's good. so you can use those while we're figure out what's broken about gnome-software16:56
wxlthat certainly makes it less likely in my mind that it's an issue specific to your user16:56
wxlperhaps a reconfigure or full reinstall of gnome-software might be in order16:57
lapyoyo16:58
lapyoI'm having some stability and speed issues with my wifi on (l)ubuntu 17.1016:58
lapyoAtheros AR9462 wireless16:59
lapyoI tried search engines for help but nothing seems to work16:59
lapyokernel version is 4.13.0-16-generic so I think it's not about it17:00
wxllapyo: maybe it's an issue with krack XD17:04
lapyofunny17:04
wxli mean it's certainly a legitimate possibility unless your router and OS are patched17:04
lapyoI'm using WEP atm17:05
* wxl facepalms17:05
wxlanywho reiterating on the specifics of your problem would be useful. admittedly it will be somewhat hard to test on this end without the hardware. perhaps opening up your search to the wider #ubuntu audience might make more sense17:05
lapyoyeah I was thinking about that17:06
lapyoI didn't any other distro yet so that's why I'm here17:06
mpathis is error: gdbus.error:org.freedesktop.dbus.error.serviceunknow: the name io.snapcraft.snapdloginservice was not provided by any .service files17:13
mpahow is it possible to have permissions for the entire system temporarily?17:16
mpaI do not even have permissions to remove repositories17:17
agaidasudo su17:18
* agaida hide17:18
mpathanks for help but nothing17:23
fChanXHello17:23
genagehey i wanted to install lubuntu on a machine with windows 10 preinstalled and in my previous attempts i always somehow failed where can i find the best guide online to install lubuntu on such a machine20:05
genageany suggestions?20:53
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Kamiliongenage: Most of the time you can just press F11 at the BIOS to select a different boot device like a USB stick.22:49
Kamilionbleh, note to self: tabcomplete to make sure the user's still around22:50
n-iCehi guys22:50
wxls/guys/folks/22:50
n-iCehow you doing wxl22:51
wxlk. u?22:51
KamilionDo we have a name yet?22:51
wxlyep22:51
wxli'll give you 3 guesses22:52
n-iCealright, thanks.22:52
KamilionBelligerent Baboon?22:52
wxl1. no22:52
KamilionBodacious Bison?22:52
n-iCeMaster of puppets22:52
wxl2. no22:52
KamilionBombastic Bustard?22:53
wxlgosh darnit, you can't even get the animal right22:53
n-iCeoh new ubuntu name?22:53
n-iCeI know it!22:53
KamilionWell, it's not like they'd use something common like a beaver or something22:53
n-iCeI know it22:53
wxlBionic Beaver22:53
n-iCeI know it!!22:53
Kamilion...22:53
KamilionAYFKM22:53
agaidaKamilion: let me google it for you22:53
n-iCeyeeeah Bionic Beaver22:53
wxl> not like they'd use something common like a beaver22:53
Kamilionoh well, Bionic isn't too bad22:54
wxli'm happy about the beaver. it's the symbol of oregon22:54
KamilionAnd there we go, 'mkdir bionic' 'git add bionic'22:54
KamilionCool, now I'm set for 18.04. See y'all in april. </sarcasm>22:55
wxlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Oregon22:55
KamilionOh, what QT is shipping?22:55
Kamilionhas 4.9 arrived yet?22:55
KamilionI'm so sick of waiting for QT3D, it's been so long...22:56
Kamilion*fistpump* 5.9.1! YES!22:57
Kamilioner, i said 4.9. lol. I meant 5.9.22:57
n-iCewxl: do you remember talking to me about the whole core of ubuntu and debian?22:59
n-iCewas it you?22:59
Kamilionawww, c'mon, https://packages.ubuntu.com/ doesn't have bionic listed yet >.<22:59
wxln-iCe: vaguely. maybe. no.22:59
Kamilionn-iCe: how long ago? Less than 2 months?23:00
n-iCeyeah23:00
wxlthat's weird23:00
Kamilionlogs grepping; uno momento por favor23:00
n-iCehaha ok23:01
n-iCeMe espero23:01
wxllo siento23:01
Kamilion[14:05:44] <wxl> did you compare the ram usage of the individual components to your debian set up?23:02
Kamilion10/2/201723:02
wxlword on the street yet is that bionic is technically not open yet, Kamilion. we've got the name but that's it so far23:02
Kamilion[14:21:52] <n-iCe> wxl: and all feels slower23:02
n-iCeso yeah, it was wxl23:02
n-iCeI compared the two of them23:02
n-iCeand not only in numbers, but in personal feeling23:03
Kamilionconclusion?23:03
n-iCeUsed netinstall isos in both23:03
Kamilionwhich had more palpable performance?23:04
n-iCeDebian, but not for that much.23:04
Kamiliondoesn't suprise me.23:04
n-iCeDebian itself uses less resources, packages, software after boot and in use.23:05
Kamilionyeah. Ubuntu tends to add a bit of sugar so it's usable.23:05
n-iCeAnd the feeling, both, with nothing installed, just i3 package and irssi installed. Debian wins too.23:05
n-iCeWhich is my config right now.23:05
KamilionDebian can be a crapshoot sometimes re: package patchsets23:05
Kamilion9.2?23:06
n-iCeThe thing is I sold my laptop, because I just stopped using it that much, so I had an old laptop I wanted to bring back to life.23:06
n-iCeJust for irssi and browser.23:06
Kamilionah, hence i3 *shudder*23:06
n-iCeSo I am, here, with Debian 9.2, yes, and i3, in a centrino duo 1GB ram laptop.23:06
KamilionRight on.23:06
n-iCethanks for reading me Kamilion :p23:06
KamilionCongrats on ressurectionings.23:06
n-iCeI liked it you know, right now I'm thinking in convert my android device in my pc.23:07
Kamilioni stopped using fluxbox so many years ago I barely even remember it's backasswards config format.23:07
Kamilionlxde/lubuntu's been my mainstay for 5-7 years now.23:07
n-iCeI have a chromecast 2, which does mirroring quiet impressive these days, a bluetooth keyboard and mouse23:07
Kamilionthose are hackable, yes.23:07
n-iCeKamilion: I like lubuntu.23:07
KamilionIIRC they don't have a lot of flash space on the CC2s23:08
n-iCeheard lxqt is bac.23:08
Kamilionit went somewhere?23:08
* Kamilion checks in detroit23:08
Kamilionnope, no lxqt here, thankfully.23:08
n-iCehehe23:08
n-iCenew version I mean, after a long time.23:08
Kamilionit's been getting updates for a while23:08
Kamilioni'd still be appreciative if they rebuilt 0.12 for xenial though23:09
Kamilion0.11's bugs are painful.23:09
n-iCetried it.23:10
n-iCeI tried a lot of tinny desktops, windows managers, distros.23:10
n-iCeTo make this laptop work.23:10
n-iCeEven tried tinny core linux23:10
n-iCewhich actually is not bad these days.23:10
n-iCethought development were stopped23:10
n-iCebut it is really easy to install in hdd now23:10
Kamilionhttp://puu.sh/y7ZPH/ae7099ab76.png23:11
Kamilion"GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR"23:11
n-iCechecking, I'm still getting used in this xterm23:12
n-iCesaw it23:12
n-iCeI don't even have a wallpaper lol23:12
Kamilionif they could just fix this one bug in 0.11, 90% of my annoyance of having to ctrl-alt-f1, login, systemctl stop lightdm; sleep 30 for notification-daemon to quit cleanly, systemctl start lightdm, forget I have to change resolution first...23:12
Kamilionno, that's the X root window (it just so happens to have default wallpaper)23:13
n-iCebut LXQt 0.12 is out23:13
* agaida hands Kamilion a handkernchief23:13
n-iCeDid you try LXQt 0.12?23:13
Kamiliontsimonq2 hasn't rebuilt the PPA packages for 0.12 on xenial.23:14
agaidaand this bug is filed in ubuntu, debian or upstream?23:14
Kamiliondunno, it doesn't happen in 0.12 on artful though23:14
Kamilionbut I can't release artful because it's not an LTS23:14
n-iCeoh I see23:14
Kamilionnot even sure what the bug is or where23:15
Kamilioncould be lxpanel, could be lxmonitor-thing, hell if I know.23:15
Kamilionso I can't file a bug without knowing which package the bug is in, agaida23:15
Kamilionlaunchpad's "real helpful" like that.23:16
Kamilionand even if I bothered taking the time to do so23:16
agaidaand this is on real iron or in a vbox23:16
Kamilionvmware workstation 10, 11, 12, 14 with open-vm-tools-desktop23:17
Kamilionesxi 5.5, 6.0, don't have a 6.x past 6.0 to test with.23:17
agaidai guess in that case you will have to live with that forever23:17
KamilionObviously.23:17
KamilionI already knew that, otherwise I would have spent some time to fix it.23:17
Kamilions'okay though, bionic's right around the corner, as soon as I can get at it's packages... lol23:18
agaidamight be a openbox or qt bug - normally backgroud resize should work, if the wm has the chance23:18
Kamilionaye, it works fine with lxde, of course.23:18
Kamilionand it's obvious that something's still catching the right click to give me the obconf rightclick menu23:19
Kamilionso it's possible it could be an openbox bug; I'm not familiar with openbox23:19
agaidaor you missed a hook in the settings23:19
Kamilion... wait... box... Does that mean it's descended from fluxbox/bluebox?23:19
Kamilioni used to know flux really well ten years ago23:20
agaidaso i can't see any bug in your screenshot23:20
Kamilionah, split from blackbox.23:20
Kamilionhttp://puu.sh/y80bD/155caf7847.png23:21
Kamilionvs http://puu.sh/y7ZUw/21ccb570a5.png23:21
agaidalooks nice - why dont you scale the background?23:21
Kamilionthat's the bug.23:21
Kamilionit IS scaled.23:22
Kamilionthinks it's fullscreen.23:22
Kamilionbut the root surface isn't getting resized. *shrug*23:22
Kamilionworks fine if I save the monitor settings, flip to terminal, stop lightdm, wait for notification-daemon to die, start lightdm.. annnd...23:22
agaidakill lightdm23:23
Kamilion?23:23
agaidaand use the recommended sddm23:23
agaidabut that should not be the main reason23:24
* Kamilion tilts head23:24
KamilionSDDM is only recommended for the newer releases, not this old PPA23:24
Kamilionoh, sorry, I was saying 0.11, this is 0.10.023:24
agaidayou can consider ppas until now as crap23:25
Kamilionwell, of course, simon had no idea what he was doing back then.23:25
KamilionNow he's at least got a couple releases under his belt.23:25
agaidatsimonq2 has created a working one a few weeks ago, gilir is catching up23:26
KamilionI'm aware23:26
n-iCeanyway23:26
agaidabut again - ok, nobody should use 0.10.0 anymore23:26
n-iCeso, have you guys used an android device as a pc?23:26
Kamilionyes.23:26
n-iCehow?23:26
agaidainstalled linux as a start?23:27
Kamilion... boot lubuntu, that's pretty much it.23:27
agaidaright23:27
n-iCewhat?23:27
n-iCein an android device?23:27
KamilionYou know android runs on the linux kernel, right?23:27
Kamilionso does the lubuntu userspace.23:28
n-iCeyes, but you can't install linux in all the android devices.23:28
KamilionI've not had a problem23:28
Kamilionmaybe it's different with newer androids past 4.323:28
n-iCewhat's your android device23:29
Kamilionhttps://www.gearbest.com/tv-box-mini-pc/pp_186240.html23:29
n-iCeoh23:30
Kamilionhttps://www.gearbest.com/tv-box/pp_676879.html23:30
n-iCeI'm talking about a phone or tablet23:30
Kamilionsure, I have lubuntu on all my phones and tablets.23:30
Kamilionhttp://en.chuwi.com/product/items/Chuwi-Hi8-pro.html23:30
Kamilionhere's my tablet23:30
n-iCewhat23:31
Kamilionand I have a samsung Galaxy S323:31
n-iCehow do you do that23:31
KamilionI plugged the usb hub with the USB stick and USB keyboard in, hit delete to go into the bios, set it to boot from USB.23:31
Kamilioneasy.23:31
KamilionAlmost all intel machines are like that.23:31
Kamiliononly starts getting weird once you get into ARM23:32
Kamilionthen you have to start dicking around with uboot23:32
Kamilionmaybe replace the kernel23:32
Kamilionmost of the times that's not needed23:32
KamilionWhat're you running, LineageOS?23:32
KamilionAOSP? Cyanogen?23:32
n-iCeaosp23:32
n-iCeand a moto z play23:33
Kamilion... Oh... Wait. Let me guess. You're asking about a stock ARM android device running some garbage launcher replacement like HTC's touchwiz or LG's ... whatever.23:33
n-iCeI don't believe you that I can install linux on it.23:33
KamilionIt already runs linux.23:33
n-iCebut how the hell will I boot lubuntu23:33
n-iCethat would solve all my problems.23:33
Kamilionchange 'root=/dev/emmc0' to root=/dev/emmc5?23:33
Kamilionor whatever your recovery partition's label is23:34
Kamilionhttps://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-z-play/development/kernel-stock-kernel-f2fs-patched-t354673223:34
Kamilionhere ya go; fresh kernel for the moto z play.23:34
Kamilionthat one's from januaryish, but it's a 4.x kernel, so it should boot any of the modern ARM7 userspaces.23:35
KamilionKeep in mind though23:35
KamilionI bought all of my devices EXPLICITLY because I could run lubuntu on them without a lot of pain.23:35
n-iCewait wait wait23:35
n-iCeyou are just assuming I know this stuff.23:36
Kamilionplus I was also a linux from scratch contributor from 1998 to 2003.23:36
KamilionI "just know" all this stuff.23:36
n-iCeexactly, you.23:36
n-iCeIf I want to boot any iso, what are the steps.23:36
Kamilionthat's a userspace23:36
Kamilionokay, so first thing23:36
KamilionLinux is a kernel.23:36
KamilionAndroid and lubuntu are userspaces; android's off BSD Bionic and Surfaceflinger, lubuntu's GPL glibc and x windows / wayland / fb23:37
KamilionLinux isn't like windows -- there's no registry, there's no license tables; nothing.23:37
KamilionIt's a bunch of files on disk, period.23:38
KamilionKernel boots; looks at it's command line for init= and root= and such23:38
Kamilion(this can be embedded in the kernel image too -- so you MAY NOT be able to change it on some of the newer android devices running 5.x or higher)23:38
Kamilionplus a lot of the newer 5.x/6.x stuff has selinux security turned on and enabled in enforcing mode23:39
KamilionI can't even root my newest phone, a Blu Studio Advance 5.5HD.23:39
n-iCeuhm23:39
n-iCeko23:39
n-iCeok23:39
Kamilionand they enabled eMMC locks so I'd have to desolder the flash chip, pop it into a jig, and reflash it outside the phone.23:39
Kamilionit will not let me overwrite the recovery partition while it's operating, so I can't install TWRP recovery23:40
Kamilionbut almost all of the older android devices weren't nearly as locked up, from a software or hardware level.23:40
KamilionSure, you'll find shit like samsung keeping flash counters; but there's stuff like TriangleAway to clear that23:41
Kamilionhttps://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.chainfire.triangleaway&hl=en23:41
Kamilionbut I'm a hardware nerd. Solving problems like this is fun for me.23:41
Kamilionand I've been messing with embedded systems since the early 90s23:42
n-iCefound something in play store23:42
Kamilionprobably a chroot container23:42
n-iCedebian noroot23:43
n-iCeapp23:43
Kamilionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClDO4PyMI-g23:43
n-iCeI downloaded it23:43
n-iCewill try23:43
n-iCeif if works as a linux oc23:43
n-iCepc23:43
Kamilionyou can pick up a lot of these skills off defcon videos23:43
n-iCeI will send this laptop to trash lo23:43
n-iCelol23:43
Kamilionhah, bot quieted you. I'll be back in a while, I have to go to 7-11 anyway.23:44
Kamilionb'sides; #lubuntu ain't a great place to be yammering on and on about android; I know it's relevant23:44
Kamilionand I know they have #lubuntu-dev and everything else; plus nobody's stopping by to ask questions23:44
Kamilionbut it's still filling the ZNC/BNC backlog for a lot of our silent residents23:45
Kamilioncome harass me in #kamikazi later23:45
agaidaCPU:       Quad core ARMv7 rev 3 (v7l) (-MCP-)  (ARM)23:49
agaida           clock speeds max 2320 MHz 1 2320 MHz 2 2320 MHz 3 2320 MHz 4 2320 MHz23:49

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