[00:00] <tsimonq2> dekonomics: This seems like a question better suited for #ubuntu, maybe try there :)
[00:00] <dekonomics> Oh it isnt lubuntu specific?
[00:00] <tsimonq2> Nope :)
[00:01] <dekonomics> I had no problems installing dualboot ubuntu and windows 7 tho
[00:01] <dekonomics> I basically did the same with lubuntu
[00:01] <tsimonq2> What's different besides the DE?
[00:01] <tsimonq2> Like, same versions?
[00:02] <dekonomics> Ikr thats what i was wondering
[00:02] <dekonomics> Oh and theres this weird vertical stripe on the left side
[00:02] <tsimonq2> Hmm, let me poke ubottu, that intelligent bot knows a bit :)
[00:02] <tsimonq2> !dualboot
[00:02] <tsimonq2> That could possibly have answers
[00:03] <tsimonq2> dekonomics: And about the stripe, you didn't have this with Ubuntu? When is it present?
[00:03] <dekonomics> Should i just use rufus?
[00:03] <dekonomics> Coz right now im using YUMI
[00:03] <tsimonq2> Might not be a bad idea.
[00:03] <dekonomics> Not in ubuntu. This is the first time ive seen it. Might be a graphics card thing. Its still in liveCD
[00:04] <dax> rufus is what i use for boot media, if that's what you're trying to do
[00:04] <dax> has never failed me
[00:04] <dekonomics> YUMI never failed me too, maybe this will be the first time
[00:04] <tsimonq2> dekonomics: Which version of Ubuntu did you use and which version of Lubuntu is this?
[00:04] <dekonomics> To be completely honest, im dumbfounded why its even having this problem
[00:04] <dekonomics> 17.10
[00:05] <dekonomics> Ubuntu was 16.something
[00:05] <tsimonq2> Try Lubuntu 16.04
[00:05] <dekonomics> The LTS one
[00:05] <dekonomics> Will do. Brb
[00:08] <dekonomics> Does "never boot to legacy" still apply?
[00:08] <tsimonq2> I think
[00:08] <tsimonq2> Not 100% sure to be completely hoest with you :)
[00:08] <tsimonq2> *honest
[00:11] <dekonomics> Ill just never use it then lol. I dont see any benefit anyways. I think windows will never boot in legacy when youve already installed it in UEFI
[00:11] <dekonomics> Well im not sure so i asked. Lol
[00:21] <dekonomics> I shouldnt have cheap out on this flash drive... I didnt think it would take me this long to install this OS lol
[00:22] <dekonomics> If all else fails ill just install ubuntu and call it a day.
[00:30] <dekonomics> Oh hey, thr vertical stripe is gone. I hope all is well now
[00:34] <dekonomics> Hey, i think i know where im having a problem.
[00:34] <dekonomics> When im installing lubuntu should it say "install along side Windows 7"
[00:34] <dekonomics> Mine says "install along side Windows Boot Manager"
[00:35] <dekonomics> If im right then this installation is broken again
[00:36] <dekonomics> Huh. Booted straight to windows 7.
[05:07] <Cesarwiz> Hello
[05:07] <Cesarwiz> I'm trying to install lubuntu in a laptop Dell Inspiron 2200
[05:08] <Cesarwiz> pentium M 1.2 GB RAM
[05:08] <Cesarwiz> but no success until now
[05:08] <Cesarwiz> I'm from Mexico
[05:08] <Cesarwiz> please need your help
[05:08] <Cesarwiz> installing from DVD
[05:09] <Cesarwiz> download from intenert a created a DVD ISO
[05:10] <Cesarwiz> what should I do now
[05:10] <Cesarwiz> please
[16:08] <n-iCe> hi
[16:12] <mpa> hi
[16:13] <mpa> i have one problem after upgrade at lubuntu 17.10
[16:14] <n-iCe> which is
[16:14] <mpa> when i open software to download, it is impossibile because say me "you dont have permission" how to fix it?
[16:15] <mpa> first dont appear
[16:15] <n-iCe> use sudo
[16:16] <mpa> to open application "software"?
[16:16] <krytarik> Rather not.
[16:17] <n-iCe> try, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[16:17] <n-iCe> and try again
[16:19] <mpa> nothing...
[16:20] <n-iCe> ok
[16:21] <n-iCe> https://askubuntu.com/questions/333919/no-permissions-for-software-center
[16:26] <mpa> i see but it is regular
[16:27] <n-iCe> regular what
[16:28] <krytarik> mpa: Did the commands work though?
[16:30] <mpa> the file is all ok
[16:31] <mpa> yes the commands work
[16:41] <mpa> nothing...i do copy and paste but is impossibile to download software
[16:42] <mpa> it requires me to register a snap shop
[16:43] <wxl> just to be clear, are we talking about synaptic or the old lubuntu software center?
[16:44] <krytarik> gnome-software
[16:44] <wxl> oh great.
[16:46] <wxl> well i guess one could continue to use synaptic or just use apt
[16:46] <agaida> but apt is so ancient  and so 19. century
[16:46]  * wxl slaps agaida 
[16:47] <agaida> hihihi
[16:47] <agaida> and s/could/should
[16:51] <wxl> actually, DOES apt or synaptic work, mpa ?
[16:56] <mpa> yes
[16:56] <mpa> work
[16:56] <wxl> well that's good. so you can use those while we're figure out what's broken about gnome-software
[16:56] <wxl> that certainly makes it less likely in my mind that it's an issue specific to your user
[16:57] <wxl> perhaps a reconfigure or full reinstall of gnome-software might be in order
[16:58] <lapyo> yo
[16:58] <lapyo> I'm having some stability and speed issues with my wifi on (l)ubuntu 17.10
[16:59] <lapyo> Atheros AR9462 wireless
[16:59] <lapyo> I tried search engines for help but nothing seems to work
[17:00] <lapyo> kernel version is 4.13.0-16-generic so I think it's not about it
[17:04] <wxl> lapyo: maybe it's an issue with krack XD
[17:04] <lapyo> funny
[17:04] <wxl> i mean it's certainly a legitimate possibility unless your router and OS are patched
[17:05] <lapyo> I'm using WEP atm
[17:05]  * wxl facepalms
[17:05] <wxl> anywho reiterating on the specifics of your problem would be useful. admittedly it will be somewhat hard to test on this end without the hardware. perhaps opening up your search to the wider #ubuntu audience might make more sense
[17:06] <lapyo> yeah I was thinking about that
[17:06] <lapyo> I didn't any other distro yet so that's why I'm here
[17:13] <mpa> this is error: gdbus.error:org.freedesktop.dbus.error.serviceunknow: the name io.snapcraft.snapdloginservice was not provided by any .service files
[17:16] <mpa> how is it possible to have permissions for the entire system temporarily?
[17:17] <mpa> I do not even have permissions to remove repositories
[17:18] <agaida> sudo su
[17:18]  * agaida hide
[17:23] <mpa> thanks for help but nothing
[17:23] <fChanX> Hello
[20:05] <genage> hey i wanted to install lubuntu on a machine with windows 10 preinstalled and in my previous attempts i always somehow failed where can i find the best guide online to install lubuntu on such a machine
[20:53] <genage> any suggestions?
[22:49] <Kamilion> genage: Most of the time you can just press F11 at the BIOS to select a different boot device like a USB stick.
[22:50] <Kamilion> bleh, note to self: tabcomplete to make sure the user's still around
[22:50] <n-iCe> hi guys
[22:50] <wxl> s/guys/folks/
[22:51] <n-iCe> how you doing wxl
[22:51] <wxl> k. u?
[22:51] <Kamilion> Do we have a name yet?
[22:51] <wxl> yep
[22:52] <wxl> i'll give you 3 guesses
[22:52] <n-iCe> alright, thanks.
[22:52] <Kamilion> Belligerent Baboon?
[22:52] <wxl> 1. no
[22:52] <Kamilion> Bodacious Bison?
[22:52] <n-iCe> Master of puppets
[22:52] <wxl> 2. no
[22:53] <Kamilion> Bombastic Bustard?
[22:53] <wxl> gosh darnit, you can't even get the animal right
[22:53] <n-iCe> oh new ubuntu name?
[22:53] <n-iCe> I know it!
[22:53] <Kamilion> Well, it's not like they'd use something common like a beaver or something
[22:53] <n-iCe> I know it
[22:53] <wxl> Bionic Beaver
[22:53] <n-iCe> I know it!!
[22:53] <Kamilion> ...
[22:53] <Kamilion> AYFKM
[22:53] <agaida> Kamilion: let me google it for you
[22:53] <n-iCe> yeeeah Bionic Beaver
[22:53] <wxl> > not like they'd use something common like a beaver
[22:54] <Kamilion> oh well, Bionic isn't too bad
[22:54] <wxl> i'm happy about the beaver. it's the symbol of oregon
[22:54] <Kamilion> And there we go, 'mkdir bionic' 'git add bionic'
[22:55] <Kamilion> Cool, now I'm set for 18.04. See y'all in april. </sarcasm>
[22:55] <wxl> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Oregon
[22:55] <Kamilion> Oh, what QT is shipping?
[22:55] <Kamilion> has 4.9 arrived yet?
[22:56] <Kamilion> I'm so sick of waiting for QT3D, it's been so long...
[22:57] <Kamilion> *fistpump* 5.9.1! YES!
[22:57] <Kamilion> er, i said 4.9. lol. I meant 5.9.
[22:59] <n-iCe> wxl: do you remember talking to me about the whole core of ubuntu and debian?
[22:59] <n-iCe> was it you?
[22:59] <Kamilion> awww, c'mon, https://packages.ubuntu.com/ doesn't have bionic listed yet >.<
[22:59] <wxl> n-iCe: vaguely. maybe. no.
[23:00] <Kamilion> n-iCe: how long ago? Less than 2 months?
[23:00] <n-iCe> yeah
[23:00] <wxl> that's weird
[23:00] <Kamilion> logs grepping; uno momento por favor
[23:01] <n-iCe> haha ok
[23:01] <n-iCe> Me espero
[23:01] <wxl> lo siento
[23:02] <Kamilion> [14:05:44] <wxl> did you compare the ram usage of the individual components to your debian set up?
[23:02] <Kamilion> 10/2/2017
[23:02] <wxl> word on the street yet is that bionic is technically not open yet, Kamilion. we've got the name but that's it so far
[23:02] <Kamilion> [14:21:52] <n-iCe> wxl: and all feels slower
[23:02] <n-iCe> so yeah, it was wxl
[23:02] <n-iCe> I compared the two of them
[23:03] <n-iCe> and not only in numbers, but in personal feeling
[23:03] <Kamilion> conclusion?
[23:03] <n-iCe> Used netinstall isos in both
[23:04] <Kamilion> which had more palpable performance?
[23:04] <n-iCe> Debian, but not for that much.
[23:04] <Kamilion> doesn't suprise me.
[23:05] <n-iCe> Debian itself uses less resources, packages, software after boot and in use.
[23:05] <Kamilion> yeah. Ubuntu tends to add a bit of sugar so it's usable.
[23:05] <n-iCe> And the feeling, both, with nothing installed, just i3 package and irssi installed. Debian wins too.
[23:05] <n-iCe> Which is my config right now.
[23:05] <Kamilion> Debian can be a crapshoot sometimes re: package patchsets
[23:06] <Kamilion> 9.2?
[23:06] <n-iCe> The thing is I sold my laptop, because I just stopped using it that much, so I had an old laptop I wanted to bring back to life.
[23:06] <n-iCe> Just for irssi and browser.
[23:06] <Kamilion> ah, hence i3 *shudder*
[23:06] <n-iCe> So I am, here, with Debian 9.2, yes, and i3, in a centrino duo 1GB ram laptop.
[23:06] <Kamilion> Right on.
[23:06] <n-iCe> thanks for reading me Kamilion :p
[23:06] <Kamilion> Congrats on ressurectionings.
[23:07] <n-iCe> I liked it you know, right now I'm thinking in convert my android device in my pc.
[23:07] <Kamilion> i stopped using fluxbox so many years ago I barely even remember it's backasswards config format.
[23:07] <Kamilion> lxde/lubuntu's been my mainstay for 5-7 years now.
[23:07] <n-iCe> I have a chromecast 2, which does mirroring quiet impressive these days, a bluetooth keyboard and mouse
[23:07] <Kamilion> those are hackable, yes.
[23:07] <n-iCe> Kamilion: I like lubuntu.
[23:08] <Kamilion> IIRC they don't have a lot of flash space on the CC2s
[23:08] <n-iCe> heard lxqt is bac.
[23:08] <Kamilion> it went somewhere?
[23:08]  * Kamilion checks in detroit
[23:08] <Kamilion> nope, no lxqt here, thankfully.
[23:08] <n-iCe> hehe
[23:08] <n-iCe> new version I mean, after a long time.
[23:08] <Kamilion> it's been getting updates for a while
[23:09] <Kamilion> i'd still be appreciative if they rebuilt 0.12 for xenial though
[23:09] <Kamilion> 0.11's bugs are painful.
[23:10] <n-iCe> tried it.
[23:10] <n-iCe> I tried a lot of tinny desktops, windows managers, distros.
[23:10] <n-iCe> To make this laptop work.
[23:10] <n-iCe> Even tried tinny core linux
[23:10] <n-iCe> which actually is not bad these days.
[23:10] <n-iCe> thought development were stopped
[23:10] <n-iCe> but it is really easy to install in hdd now
[23:11] <Kamilion> http://puu.sh/y7ZPH/ae7099ab76.png
[23:11] <Kamilion> "GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR"
[23:12] <n-iCe> checking, I'm still getting used in this xterm
[23:12] <n-iCe> saw it
[23:12] <n-iCe> I don't even have a wallpaper lol
[23:12] <Kamilion> if they could just fix this one bug in 0.11, 90% of my annoyance of having to ctrl-alt-f1, login, systemctl stop lightdm; sleep 30 for notification-daemon to quit cleanly, systemctl start lightdm, forget I have to change resolution first...
[23:13] <Kamilion> no, that's the X root window (it just so happens to have default wallpaper)
[23:13] <n-iCe> but LXQt 0.12 is out
[23:13]  * agaida hands Kamilion a handkernchief
[23:13] <n-iCe> Did you try LXQt 0.12?
[23:14] <Kamilion> tsimonq2 hasn't rebuilt the PPA packages for 0.12 on xenial.
[23:14] <agaida> and this bug is filed in ubuntu, debian or upstream?
[23:14] <Kamilion> dunno, it doesn't happen in 0.12 on artful though
[23:14] <Kamilion> but I can't release artful because it's not an LTS
[23:14] <n-iCe> oh I see
[23:15] <Kamilion> not even sure what the bug is or where
[23:15] <Kamilion> could be lxpanel, could be lxmonitor-thing, hell if I know.
[23:15] <Kamilion> so I can't file a bug without knowing which package the bug is in, agaida
[23:16] <Kamilion> launchpad's "real helpful" like that.
[23:16] <Kamilion> and even if I bothered taking the time to do so
[23:16] <agaida> and this is on real iron or in a vbox
[23:17] <Kamilion> vmware workstation 10, 11, 12, 14 with open-vm-tools-desktop
[23:17] <Kamilion> esxi 5.5, 6.0, don't have a 6.x past 6.0 to test with.
[23:17] <agaida> i guess in that case you will have to live with that forever
[23:17] <Kamilion> Obviously.
[23:17] <Kamilion> I already knew that, otherwise I would have spent some time to fix it.
[23:18] <Kamilion> s'okay though, bionic's right around the corner, as soon as I can get at it's packages... lol
[23:18] <agaida> might be a openbox or qt bug - normally backgroud resize should work, if the wm has the chance
[23:18] <Kamilion> aye, it works fine with lxde, of course.
[23:19] <Kamilion> and it's obvious that something's still catching the right click to give me the obconf rightclick menu
[23:19] <Kamilion> so it's possible it could be an openbox bug; I'm not familiar with openbox
[23:19] <agaida> or you missed a hook in the settings
[23:19] <Kamilion> ... wait... box... Does that mean it's descended from fluxbox/bluebox?
[23:20] <Kamilion> i used to know flux really well ten years ago
[23:20] <agaida> so i can't see any bug in your screenshot
[23:20] <Kamilion> ah, split from blackbox.
[23:21] <Kamilion> http://puu.sh/y80bD/155caf7847.png
[23:21] <Kamilion> vs http://puu.sh/y7ZUw/21ccb570a5.png
[23:21] <agaida> looks nice - why dont you scale the background?
[23:21] <Kamilion> that's the bug.
[23:22] <Kamilion> it IS scaled.
[23:22] <Kamilion> thinks it's fullscreen.
[23:22] <Kamilion> but the root surface isn't getting resized. *shrug*
[23:22] <Kamilion> works fine if I save the monitor settings, flip to terminal, stop lightdm, wait for notification-daemon to die, start lightdm.. annnd...
[23:23] <agaida> kill lightdm
[23:23] <Kamilion> ?
[23:23] <agaida> and use the recommended sddm
[23:24] <agaida> but that should not be the main reason
[23:24]  * Kamilion tilts head
[23:24] <Kamilion> SDDM is only recommended for the newer releases, not this old PPA
[23:24] <Kamilion> oh, sorry, I was saying 0.11, this is 0.10.0
[23:25] <agaida> you can consider ppas until now as crap
[23:25] <Kamilion> well, of course, simon had no idea what he was doing back then.
[23:25] <Kamilion> Now he's at least got a couple releases under his belt.
[23:26] <agaida> tsimonq2 has created a working one a few weeks ago, gilir is catching up
[23:26] <Kamilion> I'm aware
[23:26] <n-iCe> anyway
[23:26] <agaida> but again - ok, nobody should use 0.10.0 anymore
[23:26] <n-iCe> so, have you guys used an android device as a pc?
[23:26] <Kamilion> yes.
[23:26] <n-iCe> how?
[23:27] <agaida> installed linux as a start?
[23:27] <Kamilion> ... boot lubuntu, that's pretty much it.
[23:27] <agaida> right
[23:27] <n-iCe> what?
[23:27] <n-iCe> in an android device?
[23:27] <Kamilion> You know android runs on the linux kernel, right?
[23:28] <Kamilion> so does the lubuntu userspace.
[23:28] <n-iCe> yes, but you can't install linux in all the android devices.
[23:28] <Kamilion> I've not had a problem
[23:28] <Kamilion> maybe it's different with newer androids past 4.3
[23:29] <n-iCe> what's your android device
[23:29] <Kamilion> https://www.gearbest.com/tv-box-mini-pc/pp_186240.html
[23:30] <n-iCe> oh
[23:30] <Kamilion> https://www.gearbest.com/tv-box/pp_676879.html
[23:30] <n-iCe> I'm talking about a phone or tablet
[23:30] <Kamilion> sure, I have lubuntu on all my phones and tablets.
[23:30] <Kamilion> http://en.chuwi.com/product/items/Chuwi-Hi8-pro.html
[23:30] <Kamilion> here's my tablet
[23:31] <n-iCe> what
[23:31] <Kamilion> and I have a samsung Galaxy S3
[23:31] <n-iCe> how do you do that
[23:31] <Kamilion> I plugged the usb hub with the USB stick and USB keyboard in, hit delete to go into the bios, set it to boot from USB.
[23:31] <Kamilion> easy.
[23:31] <Kamilion> Almost all intel machines are like that.
[23:32] <Kamilion> only starts getting weird once you get into ARM
[23:32] <Kamilion> then you have to start dicking around with uboot
[23:32] <Kamilion> maybe replace the kernel
[23:32] <Kamilion> most of the times that's not needed
[23:32] <Kamilion> What're you running, LineageOS?
[23:32] <Kamilion> AOSP? Cyanogen?
[23:32] <n-iCe> aosp
[23:33] <n-iCe> and a moto z play
[23:33] <Kamilion> ... Oh... Wait. Let me guess. You're asking about a stock ARM android device running some garbage launcher replacement like HTC's touchwiz or LG's ... whatever.
[23:33] <n-iCe> I don't believe you that I can install linux on it.
[23:33] <Kamilion> It already runs linux.
[23:33] <n-iCe> but how the hell will I boot lubuntu
[23:33] <n-iCe> that would solve all my problems.
[23:33] <Kamilion> change 'root=/dev/emmc0' to root=/dev/emmc5?
[23:34] <Kamilion> or whatever your recovery partition's label is
[23:34] <Kamilion> https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-z-play/development/kernel-stock-kernel-f2fs-patched-t3546732
[23:34] <Kamilion> here ya go; fresh kernel for the moto z play.
[23:35] <Kamilion> that one's from januaryish, but it's a 4.x kernel, so it should boot any of the modern ARM7 userspaces.
[23:35] <Kamilion> Keep in mind though
[23:35] <Kamilion> I bought all of my devices EXPLICITLY because I could run lubuntu on them without a lot of pain.
[23:35] <n-iCe> wait wait wait
[23:36] <n-iCe> you are just assuming I know this stuff.
[23:36] <Kamilion> plus I was also a linux from scratch contributor from 1998 to 2003.
[23:36] <Kamilion> I "just know" all this stuff.
[23:36] <n-iCe> exactly, you.
[23:36] <n-iCe> If I want to boot any iso, what are the steps.
[23:36] <Kamilion> that's a userspace
[23:36] <Kamilion> okay, so first thing
[23:36] <Kamilion> Linux is a kernel.
[23:37] <Kamilion> Android and lubuntu are userspaces; android's off BSD Bionic and Surfaceflinger, lubuntu's GPL glibc and x windows / wayland / fb
[23:37] <Kamilion> Linux isn't like windows -- there's no registry, there's no license tables; nothing.
[23:38] <Kamilion> It's a bunch of files on disk, period.
[23:38] <Kamilion> Kernel boots; looks at it's command line for init= and root= and such
[23:38] <Kamilion> (this can be embedded in the kernel image too -- so you MAY NOT be able to change it on some of the newer android devices running 5.x or higher)
[23:39] <Kamilion> plus a lot of the newer 5.x/6.x stuff has selinux security turned on and enabled in enforcing mode
[23:39] <Kamilion> I can't even root my newest phone, a Blu Studio Advance 5.5HD.
[23:39] <n-iCe> uhm
[23:39] <n-iCe> ko
[23:39] <n-iCe> ok
[23:39] <Kamilion> and they enabled eMMC locks so I'd have to desolder the flash chip, pop it into a jig, and reflash it outside the phone.
[23:40] <Kamilion> it will not let me overwrite the recovery partition while it's operating, so I can't install TWRP recovery
[23:40] <Kamilion> but almost all of the older android devices weren't nearly as locked up, from a software or hardware level.
[23:41] <Kamilion> Sure, you'll find shit like samsung keeping flash counters; but there's stuff like TriangleAway to clear that
[23:41] <Kamilion> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.chainfire.triangleaway&hl=en
[23:41] <Kamilion> but I'm a hardware nerd. Solving problems like this is fun for me.
[23:42] <Kamilion> and I've been messing with embedded systems since the early 90s
[23:42] <n-iCe> found something in play store
[23:42] <Kamilion> probably a chroot container
[23:43] <n-iCe> debian noroot
[23:43] <n-iCe> app
[23:43] <Kamilion> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClDO4PyMI-g
[23:43] <n-iCe> I downloaded it
[23:43] <n-iCe> will try
[23:43] <n-iCe> if if works as a linux oc
[23:43] <n-iCe> pc
[23:43] <Kamilion> you can pick up a lot of these skills off defcon videos
[23:43] <n-iCe> I will send this laptop to trash lo
[23:43] <n-iCe> lol
[23:44] <Kamilion> hah, bot quieted you. I'll be back in a while, I have to go to 7-11 anyway.
[23:44] <Kamilion> b'sides; #lubuntu ain't a great place to be yammering on and on about android; I know it's relevant
[23:44] <Kamilion> and I know they have #lubuntu-dev and everything else; plus nobody's stopping by to ask questions
[23:45] <Kamilion> but it's still filling the ZNC/BNC backlog for a lot of our silent residents
[23:45] <Kamilion> come harass me in #kamikazi later
[23:49] <agaida> CPU:       Quad core ARMv7 rev 3 (v7l) (-MCP-)  (ARM)
[23:49] <agaida>            clock speeds max 2320 MHz 1 2320 MHz 2 2320 MHz 3 2320 MHz 4 2320 MHz