[00:00] <f76> Ahh, I needed is install nautilus-dropbox as well. It wasn't specified as a dependency though.
[01:34] <rahim> hello
[01:35] <rahim> can any body tell me my os get restart after some time?
[01:36] <rahim> i am using dvi cable to connect my raspbarry phi to monitor
[04:06] <sudeep> After connecting mobile device through USB I am receiving unnecessary popups with a bit sound
[04:16] <sudeep> can someone address this issue ?
[04:27] <el> unlikely without further information such as what the popups say or some kind of reason the popups are deemed unnecessary etc
[04:27] <el> (i don't know i don't use mate, i'm helping you ask a better question)
[05:06] <widon> I report a bug, who can fix it
[05:06] <widon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/+bug/1727601
[05:33] <kl_> sup fellas
[05:33] <widon> who can comfirm it.
[05:34] <widon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/+bug/1727601
[08:20] <mate|24917> Can't install Ubuntu Mate 16.04 (from downloads page on Ubuntu Mate website) on a brand new Raspberry Pi Model 3 B
[08:21] <mate|24917> I found hundreds of other discussions with people with similar issues (from attempting to format from OS X)
[08:21] <mate|24917> Apparently Disk Utility doesn't see / read / write the partitions correctly?
[08:21] <mate|24917> https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/solved-failed-to-start-load-kernel-modules-on-pi-3/14952/7
[08:21] <mate|24917> https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/installer-wont-boot-blinking-screen/2926/7
[08:21] <mate|24917> There's hundreds of threads...
[08:21] <mate|24917> And everyone points to using ApplePi Baker tool to install img to sdcard (I was using dd, then tried ddrescue, both didn't work)
[08:22] <mate|24917> BUT ApplePi Baker tool is CLOSED source and requires SUDO access
[08:22] <mate|24917> This is a huge security risk for the community
[08:22] <mate|24917> There are NO instructions here for Mac https://ubuntu-mate.org/raspberry-pi/
[08:23] <mate|24917> From my conclusion, it seems that nobody can get Ubuntu Mate working on Pi 3 Model B
[08:25] <mate|24917> Here's another guide which is incorrect
[08:25] <mate|24917> https://fossbytes.com/install-ubuntu-mate-on-raspberry-pi-2-3/
[08:27] <mate|24917> I'd encourage someone to go in sandbox environment, install Charles Proxy, and monitor ApplePi Baker tool... You may be surprised what you see.
[08:34] <mate|24917> ISSUE: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=190875#p1223576
[08:34] <mate|24917> dd does not work anymore
[08:39] <m4t> access to raw block devices normally require root
[08:39] <m4t> mate|24917:
[08:39] <m4t> if you're that concerned you could boot into a linux live cd to dd the image
[08:40] <m4t> https://alternativeto.net/software/rufus/?platform=mac
[08:40] <m4t> i think "Etcher" should do what you want, and is open source afaik. it's a bloated electron/javascript app though.
[11:04] <aphrek> hey all
[11:18] <aphrek> anyone know how to increase the 'hotspot' of window drag handles?
[11:18] <aphrek> I really struggle on resizing windows in Mate
[11:19] <aphrek> I can use Alt F8 but would like to have the option of manually doing it..
[11:33] <sixwheeledbeast> use the top "hotspot" as it's bigger. But TBH I rarely resize windows manually and utilise the auto window snapping.
[11:39] <aphrek> good point - it does seem easier using the top. Thanks. Odd that the other hotspots are minimal..
[11:39] <aphrek> is it something I could report as something to improve in future releases?
[11:40] <sixwheeledbeast> I assume it related to DPI or monitor, it's never been a huge issue for me.
[11:41] <aphrek> hmm - I'm on a 12" lenovo laptop - will try on an external screen
[11:41] <aphrek> thanks
[11:43] <naturally> https://github.com/mate-desktop/marco/issues/251
[11:43] <sixwheeledbeast> np there maybe an option somewhere to make the window border larger?
[12:07] <aphrek> I'll do some digging, does feel like I'm missing some option somewhere!
[12:09] <sixwheeledbeast> I wasn't thinking option in a GUI, more likely editing some config file but I wouldn't know without looking
[15:12] <manofthesea> Excuse me, I'm having some weird issues with my panel layout and menu items... does anyone know where I can find a list of the packages for the menu and taskbar items, to make sure everything's installed proper?
[15:40] <sixwheeledbeast> what sort of issues?
[15:51] <sudeep> I am receiving an error along with bit sound as soon as I connect my mobile device to system
[15:52] <sudeep> Shotwell
[15:52] <sudeep> Unable to fetch previews from the camera:
[15:52] <sudeep> Could not claim the USB device (-53)
[15:52] <sudeep> This is the error
[15:52] <sudeep> Shotwell
[15:52] <sudeep> Unable to fetch previews from the camera:
[15:52] <sudeep> Could not claim the USB device (-53)
[15:53] <sudeep> Can someone address this errror?
[15:53] <sudeep> Error2:Unable to mount SAMSUNG Android
[15:54] <sudeep> Error initializing camera: -53: Could not claim the USB device
[15:59] <Wonkers> Hi there
[16:00] <Wonkers> I have a question for you all. If i were to install Ubuntu Mate 17.10 - will there be a upgrade path to 18.04LTS (without having to re-install)
[16:05] <Wonkers> anyone alive ?
[16:19] <Khan89> i'm alive :O
[16:27] <sudeep> can anyone address it?
[16:31] <erle-> Why did font rendering become so ugly with 17.10?
[16:31] <erle-> 17.10   https://i.imgur.com/AT3Q4th.png
[16:32] <erle-> 17.04   https://i.imgur.com/6ON1kLL.png
[16:32] <alkisg> Wonkers: 17.10 upgrades to 18.04, yes
[16:32] <erle-> Blurry, almost as ugly as Windows fonts.
[16:32] <Wonkers> alkisg: thank you
[16:33] <erle-> Same font, same size, identical configuration before and after release update
[16:33] <Wonkers> So i can get going on the 17.10 and go back to "safety" with a 18.04 LTS once that is released
[16:33] <Wonkers> with no re-installs
[16:33] <alkisg> Wonkers: indeed
[16:34] <erle-> Are you planning to go from 1604 to 1710?
[16:34] <erle-> that sounds like more work
[16:34] <alkisg> 16.04 to 17.10 isn't possible directly
[16:34] <erle-> since 1610 is no longer supported
[16:34] <alkisg> It needs to go through 16.10 => 17.04 first, i.e. lots of upgrades...
[16:34] <ali1234> that's what oldreleases is for
[16:34] <erle-> if you don't want a particular feature, don't do it
[16:34] <Wonkers> Im on 16.04 now - but my system really needs to be reinstalled
[16:35] <erle-> if you reinstall, then it's fine
[16:35] <Wonkers> And i would like the HUD/Global Menus
[16:35] <alkisg> Mate 17.10 has global menus?
[16:35] <erle-> after switching to 18.04, you can set "lts only" in the configuration
[16:35] <alkisg> Meh, that would suck...
[16:35] <Wonkers> erle-: Yeah, the alternative was to wait for 18.04
[16:35] <erle-> alkisg, you CAN have them
[16:35] <erle-> its not default
[16:35] <Wonkers> But as there will be a easy update path - then why wait
[16:35] <ali1234> i would just wait a couple of weeks then install 18.04 beta
[16:36] <alkisg> Better that way :)
[16:36] <erle-> Wonkers, I am also doing lots of reinstalls right now, because I want btrfs everywhere :)
[16:36] <alkisg> Eh, I don't think btrfs will be stable even on 18.04 :D
[16:36] <erle-> the big changes (unity-gnome and xorg-wayland) does not affect mate anyway
[16:37] <Wonkers> reading the blog - it says you have to choose Contemporarym Cupertino og Mutiny for HUD/Global to work
[16:37] <erle-> Wonkers, no, you don't
[16:37] <ali1234> or make your own custom layout
[16:37] <Wonkers> It does not seem to work in a VM (VirtualBox)
[16:38] <ali1234> lots of things dont work in virtualbox
[16:38] <Wonkers> But i suspect that its due to VB "stealing the keyatrokes"
[16:38] <Wonkers> ali1234: make my own ?
[16:38] <ali1234> this is mate right?
[16:38] <Wonkers> yes
[16:39] <ali1234> everything in mate is plugins and applets
[16:39] <ali1234> so you just have to add the global menu plugin to your panel
[16:39] <Wonkers> I know - its just the blog post specifically says this
[16:39] <Wonkers> okay
[16:40] <ali1234> mate added a simple config tool that lets you pick what your panel is like, and then it sets it up for you
[16:40] <ali1234> because apparently people can't handle configuring things any more
[16:42] <lu9dce> hi
[16:44] <lu9dce> a question ... when I hit the mouse to a sale or icon I get a little window with information or help ... !! How do I deactivate it?
[16:46] <Khan89> lu9dce_ hello there, could you be a little bit more specific??
[16:46] <Wonkers> Sooo - now i know what i need to do this weekend
[16:46] <Wonkers> Coffee....lots of coffee and then install my workstation ;-)
[16:48] <lu9dce> https://imgur.com/a/Htiik
[16:52] <lu9dce> the square that in this case looks cyan
[16:53] <lu9dce> in the link pass an image
[16:54] <lu9dce> Sorry, I'm using a translator. I do not speak English. I'm from Argentina.
[16:54] <Khan89> I see it, but.... does this happen when you do right click or left click? or simply when you left the mouse pointer over something?
[16:55] <lu9dce> when I move the mouse pointer
[16:55] <serak> Ho appena installato la 17.10 MATE. Un vero spettacolo!
[16:55] <Khan89> so not when you click
[16:55] <lu9dce> it's like this
[17:04] <aphrek> hey all - can anyone point me in the right direction - where as a non developer can I start or learn about how to contribute to the project?
[17:19] <nW44b> hi, i got some problems with firefox on ubuntu mate on raspberry pi 3. I asked on #firefox but they told me to ask here : my firefox crashes when i launch it, and i think it's from raspi or ubuntu mate, not from firefox. https://paste.debian.net/plain/992869
[17:20] <nW44b> i found this : https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=190945 but it does not solve the problem
[17:22] <aphrek> have you upgraded ubuntu recently?
[17:22] <aphrek> @nw4b
[17:23] <aphrek> @nw44b
[17:24] <nW44b> aphrek: i upgraded and dist-upgraded
[17:25] <nW44b> i found this : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/+bug/1726616
[17:26] <nW44b> i have exactly the same problem, expect that i dist-upgraded as well
[17:27] <nW44b> :'(
[17:28] <nW44b> aphrek: have you received my answers ?
[17:29] <gordonjcp> what happens if you start firefox from a terminal?
[17:29] <aphrek> nw44b - yep, thanks
[17:29] <nW44b> gordonjcp: https://paste.debian.net/plain/992869
[17:29] <aphrek> could be related? : https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1152218
[17:30] <aphrek> suggests a dist-upgrade wasnt complete
[17:30] <gordonjcp> yeah
[17:30] <gordonjcp> it may have failed to upgrade everything
[17:30] <aphrek> yep
[17:30] <nW44b> aphrek: maybe ...
[17:31] <aphrek> worth checking I'd say..
[17:31] <gordonjcp> if you try to apt-get dist-upgrade does it complain about dpkg being interrupted?
[17:31] <nW44b> i did not noticve anything wrong during the upgrade
[17:31] <aphrek> bunch of info in /var/log/dist-upgrade
[17:32] <aphrek> I've got to dash, good luck  - will be on later if I can help at all then
[17:32] <nW44b> nothing in /var/log/dist-upgrade, i'm gona check apt folder
[17:32] <nW44b> thanks
[17:33] <nW44b> it says everything is okay during upgrade and dist-upgrade
[17:38] <nW44b> this is my update from today, before firefox's crashes : https://paste.debian.net/plain/992873
[17:46] <alkisg> nW44b: I have the same issue starting firefox on my rpi2, and I used a recent clean installation of mate 16.04
[17:46] <alkisg> I think there's some broken package in the  repositories
[17:46] <alkisg> But I'm using my rpi as a print server, so I didn't bother to troubleshoot it...
[17:47] <sixwheeledbeast> afaik only the lts is supported for rpi
[17:47] <nW44b> alkisg: there's a bug issue : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/+bug/1726616
[17:48] <nW44b> sixwheeledbeast: i'm using 16.04
[17:48] <sixwheeledbeast> ok, install firefox esr instead
[17:49] <alkisg> sixwheeledbeast: from where? it's not in the ubuntu repositories
[17:49] <nW44b> right
[17:50] <alkisg> nW44b: does chromium work for you?
[17:50] <sixwheeledbeast> either get the deb from debian or there's a ppa for esr.
[17:50] <nW44b> alkisg: yes
[17:51] <nW44b> on firefox website ther is no arm version of firefox esr
[17:52] <alkisg> sixwheeledbeast: PPAs don't build for armhf, unless specifically requested from the launchpad team
[17:52] <alkisg> https://launchpad.net/~jonathonf/+archive/ubuntu/firefox-esr/+packages only has i386/amd64 packages
[17:52] <alkisg> I'm not sure the .deb from debian is installable to mate rpi, wrt dependencies...
[17:52] <sixwheeledbeast> hmm
[17:58] <sixwheeledbeast> It is a common question here, firefox crashing after updating rpi. Using esr or forcing version 52 IIRC is what normally "fixes it". there is a bug on lauchpad somewhere IIRC.
[18:01] <nW44b> i really do not know which esr version should i try to install
[18:01] <sixwheeledbeast> firefox-esr-52.3.0esr-1~deb9u1 from raspian
[18:04] <sixwheeledbeast> nW44b: this is the thread I was looking for, it's a common question here. https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=190945
[18:05] <nW44b> sixwheeledbeast: yes, i already seen it
[18:06] <alkisg> it should also be possible to install a previous firefox by just apt install firefox=45.0.2+build1-0ubuntu1
[18:07] <alkisg> As it's in the repositories
[18:08] <sixwheeledbeast> :nod: you could force v52 for example but your using a slightly out of date browser then, whereas esr would have security fixes in the meantime.
[18:12] <jrj> Is there a way (keyboard shortcut) to open the menu in the corner ?
[18:13] <jrj> Im not talking about ALT-F1, im talking opening the full menu (like mouse pressing the Mate logo/Menu in the corner ?
[18:14] <nW44b> i confirm, it works with firefox_45.0.2+build1-0ubuntu1_armhf.deb from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/45.0.2+build1-0ubuntu1/+build/9573958
[18:15] <sixwheeledbeast> great
[18:15] <nW44b> i have to block the firefox updates now ...
[18:18] <sixwheeledbeast> apt-mark hold firefox
[18:19] <nW44b> i used : echo "firefox hold" | sudo dpkg --set-selections
[18:20] <sixwheeledbeast> as long as you know how to remove it later.
[18:20] <sixwheeledbeast> I don't understand the difference between Alt-F1 and clicking the menu?
[18:57] <Guest55840> cesarcost
[18:57] <jrj> sixwheeledbeast: clicking the menu, enables you to "start typing" to search the menu
[18:57] <jrj> ALT-F1 does not
[19:01] <sixwheeledbeast> typing? are you using the standard MATE layout?
[19:26] <jrj> yes
[19:37] <sixwheeledbeast> I don't understand what your typing in then?
[20:16] <_Anna_> Anyone here uses the FreeFileSync program?
[20:59] <Dre213> Hi guys - hope all is well. Anyone free to help me with a shell script for a race condition?
[21:08] <santemanuele> Hello. How to one click to open item on Ubuntu Mate Desktop??
[21:40] <aphrek> nw44b how did you get on?
[21:47] <matt__> anyone know of a decent place to find reasonably priced Ubuntu laptops in the US?