[00:00] Ahh, I needed is install nautilus-dropbox as well. It wasn't specified as a dependency though. [01:34] hello [01:35] can any body tell me my os get restart after some time? [01:36] i am using dvi cable to connect my raspbarry phi to monitor [04:06] After connecting mobile device through USB I am receiving unnecessary popups with a bit sound [04:16] can someone address this issue ? [04:27] unlikely without further information such as what the popups say or some kind of reason the popups are deemed unnecessary etc [04:27] (i don't know i don't use mate, i'm helping you ask a better question) [05:06] I report a bug, who can fix it [05:06] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/+bug/1727601 [05:06] Launchpad bug 1727601 in ubuntu-mate "qt application interface in a mess" [Undecided,New] [05:33] sup fellas [05:33] who can comfirm it. [05:34] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/+bug/1727601 [05:34] Launchpad bug 1727601 in ubuntu-mate "qt application interface in a mess" [Undecided,New] === el is now known as elky === elky is now known as el [08:20] Can't install Ubuntu Mate 16.04 (from downloads page on Ubuntu Mate website) on a brand new Raspberry Pi Model 3 B [08:21] I found hundreds of other discussions with people with similar issues (from attempting to format from OS X) [08:21] Apparently Disk Utility doesn't see / read / write the partitions correctly? [08:21] https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/solved-failed-to-start-load-kernel-modules-on-pi-3/14952/7 [08:21] https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/installer-wont-boot-blinking-screen/2926/7 [08:21] There's hundreds of threads... [08:21] And everyone points to using ApplePi Baker tool to install img to sdcard (I was using dd, then tried ddrescue, both didn't work) [08:22] BUT ApplePi Baker tool is CLOSED source and requires SUDO access [08:22] This is a huge security risk for the community [08:22] There are NO instructions here for Mac https://ubuntu-mate.org/raspberry-pi/ [08:23] From my conclusion, it seems that nobody can get Ubuntu Mate working on Pi 3 Model B [08:25] Here's another guide which is incorrect [08:25] https://fossbytes.com/install-ubuntu-mate-on-raspberry-pi-2-3/ [08:27] I'd encourage someone to go in sandbox environment, install Charles Proxy, and monitor ApplePi Baker tool... You may be surprised what you see. [08:34] ISSUE: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=190875#p1223576 [08:34] dd does not work anymore === alkisg1 is now known as alkisg [08:39] access to raw block devices normally require root [08:39] mate|24917: [08:39] if you're that concerned you could boot into a linux live cd to dd the image [08:40] https://alternativeto.net/software/rufus/?platform=mac [08:40] i think "Etcher" should do what you want, and is open source afaik. it's a bloated electron/javascript app though. [11:04] hey all [11:18] anyone know how to increase the 'hotspot' of window drag handles? [11:18] I really struggle on resizing windows in Mate [11:19] I can use Alt F8 but would like to have the option of manually doing it.. [11:33] use the top "hotspot" as it's bigger. But TBH I rarely resize windows manually and utilise the auto window snapping. [11:39] good point - it does seem easier using the top. Thanks. Odd that the other hotspots are minimal.. [11:39] is it something I could report as something to improve in future releases? [11:40] I assume it related to DPI or monitor, it's never been a huge issue for me. [11:41] hmm - I'm on a 12" lenovo laptop - will try on an external screen [11:41] thanks [11:43] https://github.com/mate-desktop/marco/issues/251 [11:43] np there maybe an option somewhere to make the window border larger? [12:07] I'll do some digging, does feel like I'm missing some option somewhere! [12:09] I wasn't thinking option in a GUI, more likely editing some config file but I wouldn't know without looking === richard is now known as Guest85448 [15:12] Excuse me, I'm having some weird issues with my panel layout and menu items... does anyone know where I can find a list of the packages for the menu and taskbar items, to make sure everything's installed proper? [15:40] what sort of issues? [15:51] I am receiving an error along with bit sound as soon as I connect my mobile device to system [15:52] Shotwell [15:52] Unable to fetch previews from the camera: [15:52] Could not claim the USB device (-53) [15:52] This is the error [15:52] Shotwell [15:52] Unable to fetch previews from the camera: [15:52] Could not claim the USB device (-53) [15:53] Can someone address this errror? [15:53] Error2:Unable to mount SAMSUNG Android [15:54] Error initializing camera: -53: Could not claim the USB device [15:59] Hi there [16:00] I have a question for you all. If i were to install Ubuntu Mate 17.10 - will there be a upgrade path to 18.04LTS (without having to re-install) [16:05] anyone alive ? [16:19] i'm alive :O [16:27] can anyone address it? [16:31] Why did font rendering become so ugly with 17.10? [16:31] 17.10 https://i.imgur.com/AT3Q4th.png [16:32] 17.04 https://i.imgur.com/6ON1kLL.png [16:32] Wonkers: 17.10 upgrades to 18.04, yes [16:32] Blurry, almost as ugly as Windows fonts. [16:32] alkisg: thank you [16:33] Same font, same size, identical configuration before and after release update [16:33] So i can get going on the 17.10 and go back to "safety" with a 18.04 LTS once that is released [16:33] with no re-installs [16:33] Wonkers: indeed [16:34] Are you planning to go from 1604 to 1710? [16:34] that sounds like more work [16:34] 16.04 to 17.10 isn't possible directly [16:34] since 1610 is no longer supported [16:34] It needs to go through 16.10 => 17.04 first, i.e. lots of upgrades... [16:34] that's what oldreleases is for [16:34] if you don't want a particular feature, don't do it [16:34] Im on 16.04 now - but my system really needs to be reinstalled [16:35] if you reinstall, then it's fine [16:35] And i would like the HUD/Global Menus [16:35] Mate 17.10 has global menus? [16:35] after switching to 18.04, you can set "lts only" in the configuration [16:35] Meh, that would suck... [16:35] erle-: Yeah, the alternative was to wait for 18.04 [16:35] alkisg, you CAN have them [16:35] its not default [16:35] But as there will be a easy update path - then why wait [16:35] i would just wait a couple of weeks then install 18.04 beta [16:36] Better that way :) [16:36] Wonkers, I am also doing lots of reinstalls right now, because I want btrfs everywhere :) [16:36] Eh, I don't think btrfs will be stable even on 18.04 :D [16:36] the big changes (unity-gnome and xorg-wayland) does not affect mate anyway [16:37] reading the blog - it says you have to choose Contemporarym Cupertino og Mutiny for HUD/Global to work [16:37] Wonkers, no, you don't [16:37] or make your own custom layout [16:37] It does not seem to work in a VM (VirtualBox) [16:38] lots of things dont work in virtualbox [16:38] But i suspect that its due to VB "stealing the keyatrokes" [16:38] ali1234: make my own ? [16:38] this is mate right? [16:38] yes [16:39] everything in mate is plugins and applets [16:39] so you just have to add the global menu plugin to your panel [16:39] I know - its just the blog post specifically says this [16:39] okay [16:40] mate added a simple config tool that lets you pick what your panel is like, and then it sets it up for you [16:40] because apparently people can't handle configuring things any more [16:42] hi [16:44] a question ... when I hit the mouse to a sale or icon I get a little window with information or help ... !! How do I deactivate it? [16:46] lu9dce_ hello there, could you be a little bit more specific?? [16:46] Sooo - now i know what i need to do this weekend [16:46] Coffee....lots of coffee and then install my workstation ;-) [16:48] https://imgur.com/a/Htiik [16:52] the square that in this case looks cyan [16:53] in the link pass an image [16:54] Sorry, I'm using a translator. I do not speak English. I'm from Argentina. [16:54] I see it, but.... does this happen when you do right click or left click? or simply when you left the mouse pointer over something? [16:55] when I move the mouse pointer [16:55] Ho appena installato la 17.10 MATE. Un vero spettacolo! [16:55] so not when you click [16:55] it's like this [17:04] hey all - can anyone point me in the right direction - where as a non developer can I start or learn about how to contribute to the project? [17:19] hi, i got some problems with firefox on ubuntu mate on raspberry pi 3. I asked on #firefox but they told me to ask here : my firefox crashes when i launch it, and i think it's from raspi or ubuntu mate, not from firefox. https://paste.debian.net/plain/992869 [17:20] i found this : https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=190945 but it does not solve the problem [17:22] have you upgraded ubuntu recently? [17:22] @nw4b [17:23] @nw44b [17:24] aphrek: i upgraded and dist-upgraded [17:25] i found this : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/+bug/1726616 [17:25] Launchpad bug 1726616 in ubuntu-mate "Firefox crashes repeatedly after system update" [Undecided,New] [17:26] i have exactly the same problem, expect that i dist-upgraded as well [17:27] :'( [17:28] aphrek: have you received my answers ? [17:29] what happens if you start firefox from a terminal? [17:29] nw44b - yep, thanks [17:29] gordonjcp: https://paste.debian.net/plain/992869 [17:29] could be related? : https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1152218 [17:30] suggests a dist-upgrade wasnt complete [17:30] yeah [17:30] it may have failed to upgrade everything [17:30] yep [17:30] aphrek: maybe ... [17:31] worth checking I'd say.. [17:31] if you try to apt-get dist-upgrade does it complain about dpkg being interrupted? [17:31] i did not noticve anything wrong during the upgrade [17:31] bunch of info in /var/log/dist-upgrade [17:32] I've got to dash, good luck - will be on later if I can help at all then [17:32] nothing in /var/log/dist-upgrade, i'm gona check apt folder [17:32] thanks [17:33] it says everything is okay during upgrade and dist-upgrade [17:38] this is my update from today, before firefox's crashes : https://paste.debian.net/plain/992873 [17:46] nW44b: I have the same issue starting firefox on my rpi2, and I used a recent clean installation of mate 16.04 [17:46] I think there's some broken package in the repositories [17:46] But I'm using my rpi as a print server, so I didn't bother to troubleshoot it... [17:47] afaik only the lts is supported for rpi [17:47] alkisg: there's a bug issue : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/+bug/1726616 [17:47] Launchpad bug 1726616 in ubuntu-mate "Firefox crashes repeatedly after system update" [Undecided,New] [17:48] sixwheeledbeast: i'm using 16.04 [17:48] ok, install firefox esr instead [17:49] sixwheeledbeast: from where? it's not in the ubuntu repositories [17:49] right [17:50] nW44b: does chromium work for you? [17:50] either get the deb from debian or there's a ppa for esr. [17:50] alkisg: yes [17:51] on firefox website ther is no arm version of firefox esr [17:52] sixwheeledbeast: PPAs don't build for armhf, unless specifically requested from the launchpad team [17:52] https://launchpad.net/~jonathonf/+archive/ubuntu/firefox-esr/+packages only has i386/amd64 packages [17:52] I'm not sure the .deb from debian is installable to mate rpi, wrt dependencies... [17:52] hmm [17:58] It is a common question here, firefox crashing after updating rpi. Using esr or forcing version 52 IIRC is what normally "fixes it". there is a bug on lauchpad somewhere IIRC. [18:01] i really do not know which esr version should i try to install [18:01] firefox-esr-52.3.0esr-1~deb9u1 from raspian [18:04] nW44b: this is the thread I was looking for, it's a common question here. https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=190945 [18:05] sixwheeledbeast: yes, i already seen it [18:06] it should also be possible to install a previous firefox by just apt install firefox=45.0.2+build1-0ubuntu1 [18:07] As it's in the repositories [18:08] :nod: you could force v52 for example but your using a slightly out of date browser then, whereas esr would have security fixes in the meantime. [18:12] Is there a way (keyboard shortcut) to open the menu in the corner ? [18:13] Im not talking about ALT-F1, im talking opening the full menu (like mouse pressing the Mate logo/Menu in the corner ? [18:14] i confirm, it works with firefox_45.0.2+build1-0ubuntu1_armhf.deb from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/45.0.2+build1-0ubuntu1/+build/9573958 [18:15] great [18:15] i have to block the firefox updates now ... [18:18] apt-mark hold firefox [18:19] i used : echo "firefox hold" | sudo dpkg --set-selections [18:20] as long as you know how to remove it later. [18:20] I don't understand the difference between Alt-F1 and clicking the menu? === cesar_ is now known as Guest55840 [18:57] cesarcost === Guest55840 is now known as cesarcosta [18:57] sixwheeledbeast: clicking the menu, enables you to "start typing" to search the menu [18:57] ALT-F1 does not [19:01] typing? are you using the standard MATE layout? [19:26] yes [19:37] I don't understand what your typing in then? === jhjj is now known as _Anna_ [20:16] <_Anna_> Anyone here uses the FreeFileSync program? [20:59] Hi guys - hope all is well. Anyone free to help me with a shell script for a race condition? [21:08] Hello. How to one click to open item on Ubuntu Mate Desktop?? === el is now known as elky === elky is now known as el [21:40] nw44b how did you get on? [21:47] anyone know of a decent place to find reasonably priced Ubuntu laptops in the US?