[00:00] <otsoa> It's "automatic(DHCP)" in my case and it doesn't work. The only thing that seems to work for me is editing /etc/resolv.conf but I'd prefer to avoid hacks like chattr
[00:04] <TJ-> Sven_vB: with GPT there's a backup (alternate) table stored at the end of the disk. If that isn't corrupt you can use the advanced options in gdisk to copy it to the primary table
[00:04] <Sven_vB> ok, machine is back up without BIOS compat modes, GPT is still corrupted. any way to investigate the old file systems?
[00:05] <TJ-> otsoa: set it to the "Addresses only" method
[00:05] <Sven_vB> TJ-, how can I test whether the backup is corrupted?
[00:05] <TJ-> Sven_vB: hang on, I'm just checking here
[00:05] <Sven_vB> TJ-, thanks!
[00:09] <TJ-> Sven_vB: "sudo gdisk /dev/sda" then "?" to see the menu options. Then "r" to enter recovery menu. "?" again to see the options.
[00:09] <TJ-> Sven_vB: I suggest before you replace the primary table with the alternate you should write the primary table out to a backup file.
[00:11] <otsoa> Ok I've found a solution. Put the DNS in /etc/systemd/resolved.conf and set dns=systemd-resolved in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
[00:13] <Sven_vB> TJ-, thanks, I'll try.
[00:13] <TJ-> otsoa: did you not just set NetworkManager to "addresses only" method?
[00:17] <otsoa> I set "automatic(DHCP)" in nm-applet or rather left it there as that was the default but NetworkManager just wouldn't pick up the specified servers. It doesn't matter though, I've found a solution anyway
[00:18] <Sven_vB> TJ-, in the recovery menu, verify disk says the backup is broken, too: "Caution: The CRC for the backup partition table is invalid."
[00:19] <TJ-> otsoa: and as I've said , change that Method to the "addresses only" alternative and the DHCP-provided DNS servers will not be used, but those you add manually in the DNS text box will be
[00:19] <TJ-> Sven_vB: well done for checking! Then you've got a problem
[00:20] <TJ-> Sven_vB: do you have an idea of how many and what sizes the partitions should be?
[00:20] <TJ-> Sven_vB: also, very importantly, is this disk in a running system or are you doing data recovery from another PC?
[00:21] <TJ-> Sven_vB: if you've booted from sda then it is likely the kernel's internal partition table can be used to rebuild the broken on-disk table
[00:22] <otsoa> there's no "addresses only". https://imgur.com/vVT882S
[00:23] <Sven_vB> TJ-, the disk is from storage, I'm checking to see whether I can safely wipe it or want to recover stuff. given the broken GPT my current best guess is that it was from a Vista machine that had a RAID controller, and some of the RAID magic is missing now. based on this guess, I'd expect the disk to have 3 NTFS partitions with (max-20), 10, 10 GB. there's also the last 3 lines of https://gist.github.com/mk-pmb/09de0570716a4250bbafecfafc0f
[00:23] <Sven_vB> 7d00
[00:23] <Sven_vB> https://gist.github.com/mk-pmb/09de0570716a4250bbafecfafc0f7d00
[00:23] <TJ-> otsoa: oh, that's tragic! that's not the nmapplet, that's some unity/gnome reduced functionality thing! proper nmapplet gives you full control.
[00:24] <R13ose> How do I put in a background image when booting up?  I did once but lose that on upgrade.  I want this permanently.
[00:24] <TJ-> Sven_vB: hang on!
[00:25] <TJ-> Sven_vB: if it's from a RAID controller (assuming a mirror?) then its possible you just need to look further into the disk. Probably the first few sectors are taken up with RAID dedevice metadata
[00:25] <TJ-> Sven_vB: what kind of RAID level and hardware was it attached to?
[00:26] <Sven_vB> I have no idea what RAID config was used. the original owner wouldn't have cared, they took whatever config came from the shop. they were even surprised the machine had 2 disks instead of just 1 when I collected it for recycling.
[00:27] <TJ-> Sven_vB: you could scan the first few thousand sectors for the GPT header
[00:28] <Sven_vB> TJ-, what bytes should I be looking for? is there a magic string for grep?
[00:29] <TJ-> Sven_vB: try this: "sudo dd if=/dev/sda count=4096 | grep -abo 'EFI PART' "
[00:30] <TJ-> Sven_vB: if that doesn't find anything increase the count to 16384 - that should be enough to pass over most RAID metadata
[00:34] <Sven_vB> I tried "head --bytes=1G /dev/sda | grep -aboFe 'EFI PART'" instead: 512:EFI PART¶ 8825876:EFI PART
[00:34] <TJ-> Sven_vB: oooo, that's good... and bad. 512 bytes into the disk is where I'd expect to find it. Bad, because it confirms there's a corrupt GPT
[00:35] <TJ-> Sven_vB: I can't think why/how both would have bad CRCs but still be rcognisable though. most tooling will just zero those tables when zapping them
[00:35] <codepython777> one of my usb devices just stopped mounting completely. Any thoughts on how to debug this? usbmon looks silent
[00:36] <Sven_vB> I think I remember some theory that the RAID might have been to increase disk access speed. in that case the shop would probably make the disks interleave their sectors, would they?
[00:37] <TJ-> Sven_vB: they could have been using RAID-0 striping
[00:37] <TJ-> Sven_vB: in which case you need to dig out the other disk(s) :)
[00:40] <R13ose> How do I tell which version of plymouth, I am using?
[00:41] <jer> R13ose, dpkg-query -W <package-name>
[00:42] <jer> should see something like: package-name   1:10.0-1ubuntu2 or whatever
[00:43] <R13ose> Plymouth is 0.9.2-3ubuntu17 but I thought that was up to 5.10
[00:46] <TJ-> R13ose:  try "apt list -a plymouth"
[00:47] <geri> hi how can i update a symlink to a file? ln -sf ../../../build/libs/main1.0-all.jar main.jar      ?
[00:48] <Sven_vB> back again.
[00:48] <R13ose> TJ-: says plymouth/artful 0.9
[00:48] <R13ose> 0.9.2-3ubuntu17 amd64 [installed]
[00:49] <TJ-> R13ose: where did you get the idea of 5.10 from?
[00:49] <Sven_vB> TJ-, if the disk was from the machine that I think it might be from, then I got it because the other disk failed.
[00:49] <nacc> geri: ln -sf /target/of/link /name/of/symlink. See `man ln` for details.
[00:50] <TJ-> Sven_vB: ahhh. One of the big reasons I don't like RAID0
[00:50] <R13ose> TJ-: https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.10.0.php
[00:51] <nacc> R13ose: that's a KDE version
[00:51] <TJ-> R13ose: that's the KDE Plasma, not Plymouth!
[00:51] <nacc> R13ose: what would that ever have to do with Plymouth's version??
[00:51] <R13ose> Oh stupid
[00:52] <TJ-> word association?
[00:52] <R13ose> yes
[00:53] <R13ose> I can't find the plymouth boot splash selection
[00:54] <R13ose> I am using kde
[00:54] <oerheks> sudo dpkg-reconfigure plymouth && sudo update-initramfs -u
[00:55] <Sven_vB> TJ-, assuming it was indeed RAID0, is there a chance of verifying it had a) had 1 <= n <= 3 NTFS partitions and b) had no ext2/3/4 partitions starting within its first 16 GB?
[00:57] <Sven_vB> or could I detect which version of windows had been used with that disk? after all it seems to have a "Microsoft reserved" partition, and "Basic data partition" sounds like some windows LVM
[00:57] <R13ose> oerheks: that is done
[00:59] <TJ-> Sven_vB: if it was stripped over multiple disks I don't think even the forensic tools like testdisk (from the autopsy suite) could figure it out
[00:59] <TJ-> Sven_vB: depending on the size of the chunks in the stripes you'll likely have 64KB blocks on each disk, so you'll be missing a lot!
[01:01] <Sven_vB> TJ-, there might still be a chance of finding some NTFS or extfs volume labels that might help identify the disk.
[01:02] <Sven_vB> I'll have a look at that autopsy suite. thanks!
[01:06] <Sven_vB> nice, I found remains of windows file paths and a Thunderbird profile. I'll see if I can find a large continuous file, that could rule out the RAID0 possibility.
[01:07] <TJ-> Sven_vB: what size are physical/logical sectors on that device?
[01:07] <TJ-> Sven_vB: fdisk/gdisk usually report that with the -l option
[01:08] <Sven_vB> TJ-, the "gdisk -l /dev/sda" from the gist said "Logical sector size: 512 bytes"
[01:08] <TJ-> Sven_vB: from that you could work out approximately how many sectors each stripe chunk would require and therefore where to expect a jump from one disk to another
[01:08] <TJ-> Sven_vB: how about physical?
[01:09] <Sven_vB> "physical" isn't in the gist. I'll run fdisk -l again and check
[01:09] <TJ-> Sven_vB: if physical were larger that may well be what the RAID controller would use
[01:09] <Sven_vB> "Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
[01:09] <Sven_vB> "
[01:09] <TJ-> Sven_vB: OK, so you're luck there :)
[01:10] <TJ-> Sven_vB: so you'd expect, with 64KB blocks, to have it move to the next disk every 128 sectors
[01:11] <TJ-> so the GPT only uses the first 34 sectors, so RAID0 stripping is not the cause of the corruption. Could be RAID5 or RAID6 though
[01:12] <Sven_vB> if there was any RAID at all, it could have been 2 disks max. would that rule out RAID5?
[01:13] <TJ-> Sven_vB: Yes; RAID-5 required a minimum of 3 I seem to recall
[01:14] <Sven_vB> yeah RAID5 and 6 use parity according to WP-en, so I think with just 2 disks it can only be RAID0
[01:14] <TJ-> Sven_vB: the thing is, if the hardware controller did it's own form of RAID0 it might have used smaller chunks. Without knowing which it's hard to know. Otherwise it would seem like something sprayed bad data across the entire disk
[01:17] <Sven_vB> could the "corruption" simply be a too-new kind of Windows LVM that's not yet supported by Ubuntu?
[01:18] <jer> Sven_vB, 2 disks is also valid for RAID1 not just RAID0
[01:18] <TJ-> Sven_vB: possibly; anything is possible, but GPT is an industry standard so if both primary and backup tables have bad CRCs then you have to assume something weird has happened. You already know both the MBR PT and the GPT entries look bad. It looks like pseudo-random data
[01:18] <TJ-> jer: yes, but that's mirroring, which won't create 'holes' in the data on a single disk
[01:19] <jer> oh i didn't scroll up enough
[01:19] <jer> gotcha
[01:19] <Sven_vB> jer, RAID1 would look the same as no RAID at all, right?
[01:19] <TJ-> jer: we're trying to account for a disk where it *could* have chunks missing - which'd explain bad CRCs and data in both GUID PTs
[01:19] <jer> from a user's perspective? yes
[01:19] <jer> TJ-, yeah i just saw that now
[01:19] <TJ-> Assuming no RAID meta-data yes
[01:20] <TJ-> Sven_vB: but as you're seeing some corruption inside individual sectors I think something has written random data onto it
[01:21] <TJ-> Sven_vB: you could try inspecting the last bunch of sectors on the disk. there may be RAID meta-data there instead of the GPT backup header. If the backup header isn't at the end of the disk then that would tend to collaborate that idea
[01:21] <Sven_vB> would it be a clue if I found a large JPEG or bitmap file?
[01:22] <Sven_vB> oh. in that case I probably replaced it earlier when I told gdisk to relocate the backup to the end of the disk.
[01:23] <TJ-> Sven_vB: well, if there's random corruption then finding a single or few files wouldn't be unusual. I'd expect "testdisk" to locate file-system structures to pinpoint where partitions start and end. if it can't find those, then there's lots of randomness
[01:23] <TJ-> Sven_vB: ouch! never write to a disk you're doing forensics on!!
[01:23] <cfhowlett> THIS!!
[01:23] <Sven_vB> ok then I'll stop guessing and poking around, and look into autopsy for real.
[01:24] <TJ-> Sven_vB: take an image or create a copy on another disk
[01:27] <Sven_vB> yeah, if it were serious forensics I'd have worked with an image. in this case I wasn't very careful because I can already see the data isn't valuable to be, it's now more about curiosity.
[01:28] <Sven_vB> *to me
[01:28] <TJ-> Sven_vB: that's good news :)
[01:29] <Julien-zte> Hi, I install a Ubuntu 17.10 server i386 version, after the installation, I don't find networking service , nor /etc/init.d/networking?
[01:30] <TJ-> Julien-zte: see the release notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/ReleaseNotes#Network_configuration
[01:30] <Julien-zte>  it doesn't use dhclient to get the ipaddress for the nic, and I can not restart the networking service either
[01:31] <PetearKh> hi when i create a file,its says no space,but when i do df -h I still see 70% of the space is there
[01:31] <PetearKh> what can i be doing wrong here?
[01:31] <cfhowlett> PetearKh, show us the paste:       df -h | pastebinit
[01:31] <TJ-> PetearKh: out of inodes? try "df -i"
[01:32] <cfhowlett> sounds right ^^^
[01:32] <Sveta> Julien-zte: does your internet still work?
[01:32] <Julien-zte> yes
[01:32] <PetearKh> cfhowlett: sorry I am connected from my windows box.I dont have the access to paste the output
[01:33] <Julien-zte> hi Sveta, I'm using another notebook to use internet
[01:33] <PetearKh> TJ-: in that case what can be the fix?
[01:33] <Julien-zte> it's the first time to know about networkctl
[01:33] <PetearKh> lets say df -i also looks fine,what could be going wrong?
[01:33] <PetearKh> TJ-:
[01:33] <TJ-> PetearKh: firstly discover where the inodes are being used up (LOTS of very small files usually)
[01:33] <Julien-zte> I want to know why it does not work during the boot state
[01:33] <TJ-> PetearKh: then either compress them into a single archive file or delete some, or move to another file-system
[01:34] <PetearKh> TJ-: what if I dont run out of inodes,what can be the other culprits
[01:34] <TJ-> PetearKh: without seeing "df" and "df -i" I can't say. Are you sure *all* the file-systems have free space and inodes?
[01:35] <PetearKh> TJ-: yes I am sure
[01:36] <TJ-> PetearKh: what command/process reported the "no space" error?
[01:36] <PetearKh> TJ-: i saw for mkdir
[01:36] <PetearKh> can that be a simple thing I am missing somewhere?
[01:37] <TJ-> PetearKh: hang on... you're on a Windows PC now, but is the Ubuntu PC running as well right now?
[01:37] <PetearKh> TJ-: unfortunately not
[01:37] <TJ-> PetearKh: is it a dual-boot then?
[01:37] <R13ose> I am confused how to find the plasma boot system settings
[01:37] <PetearKh> TJ-: that linux machine is in my offcie
[01:38] <TJ-> PetearKh: one possible reason I can think of that would be transient is if there was a large file that had been deleted but some process still had an open file handle to. That file wouldn't actually get deleted until the process closed the file handle.
[01:38] <codepython777> is anyone using 4.13.9 on 16.04 here?
[01:38] <TJ-> PetearKh: does the problem remain over a reboot?
[01:38] <TJ-> codepython777: Yes
[01:38] <PetearKh> TJ-: yes it did
[01:39] <TJ-> PetearKh: ok, so not an open file-handle
[01:39] <codepython777> TJ-: how did you install it? source? or apt-get?
[01:39] <TJ-> PetearKh: must be inodes or space
[01:39] <PetearKh> TJ-: how can we see that process still has a open file handle?
[01:39] <codepython777> I want to see if that will solve my usb problem, just to try
[01:39] <TJ-> !mainline | codepython777
[01:39] <Bashing-om> codepython777: " sysop@x1604:~$ uname -r >> 4.4.0-97-generic"
[01:40] <TJ-> codepython777: if you want a regular 4.13 from 17.10 then enable the -proposed archive and install linux-lowlatency-hwe-16.04-edge
[01:40] <codepython777> TJ-: I think that would be more stable than trying the bleeding edge?
[01:41] <TJ-> codepython777: I've been using Ubuntu mainline builds for years with no problems. The only difference is it doesn't carry Ubuntu-specific patches or config, so, for example, unprivileged LXD containers won't always work correctly (due to Apparmor INIT issues)
[01:42] <TJ-> codepython777: if you want the Ubuntuised kernels use the HWE variants
[01:42] <TJ-> !hwe | codepython777
[01:42] <codepython777> TJ-: linux-lowlatency-hwe-16.04-edge - how do i install this?
[01:42] <TJ-> codepython777: "sudo apt install <package-name>"
[01:43] <codepython777> oh - so i dont need to add any particular source
[01:43] <TJ-> codepython777: as long as you've got  xenial-proposed archive enabled
[01:43] <TJ-> it'll soon be in xenial-updates
[01:43] <PetearKh> TJ-: lsof?
[01:44] <codepython777> TJ-: firing my install
[01:44] <codepython777> TJ-: Thanks.
[01:45] <TJ-> PetearKh: I use an easier method. "sudo ls -l /proc/*/fd | grep deleted"
[01:46] <PetearKh> sure
[01:46] <Julien-zte> Sveta, /etc/netplan is correct, but it does not get the ip address. systemd-networkd is running/active.
[01:47] <Julien-zte> it specify ipv4 while in the service log, "epn1s0: Gained Ipv6LL"
[01:47] <codepython777> TJ-: how do i tell it to boot from the new kernel instead of the old kernel?
[01:48] <PetearKh> what does a dmesg command show?
[01:48] <PetearKh> when can we use dmesg command
[01:55] <TJ-> codepython777: GRUB should have automatically added the new kernel to the boot menu, and it should be first in the list as it has the latest version
[01:55] <codepython777> TJ-: my boot menu is not showing up
[01:55] <TJ-> PetearKh: dmesg shows the kernel's log buffer
[01:55] <stevie> hi ubuntu
[01:55] <cfhowlett> greetings stevie
[01:55] <TJ-> codepython777: you have to press ESCape just as the firmware hands over to GRUB during boot
[01:55] <PetearKh> TJ-: will this be useful to know if there is any mem related issue?
[01:55] <codepython777> TJ-: cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg  | grep "4.13" --> empty
[01:55] <stevie> i have a .deb (vscode), I tried sudo apt install <name>.deb - but it says it can't find it. It's in the directory I am running the command
[01:55] <codepython777> TJ-: it gives some kind of video error
[01:56] <codepython777> then drops me into ubuntu
[01:56] <codepython777> was trying to look for grub logs
[01:56] <cfhowlett> stevie, .deb is installed with sudo dpgk -i foo.deb
[01:56] <TJ-> codepython777: is it an UEFI system?
[01:56] <stevie> the how the f*** does this have 94 upvotes on stack
[01:56] <codepython777> TJ-: I checked it to be legacy - good point - let me double check
[01:56] <mikesdrivein> is ti normal to crash frequently when moving program windows from workspace to workspace using the workspace switcher?
[01:56] <stevie> lol ill try that
[01:57] <stevie> yeah that worked so far, thank you - were you able to ever sudo apt install debs?
[01:57] <TJ-> codepython777: the only way it might not get into grub.cfg  - as I found out with another user a few hours ago - is if you've installed grub_customizer, which makes one heck of a mess
[01:58] <stevie> awesome, it installed. thanks again
[01:58] <cfhowlett> stevie, so far back as I remember, .deb has always been dpgk -i
[01:58] <cfhowlett> man dpkg for more info
[01:58] <TJ-> stevie: dpkg is for Debian Packages; APT is Advanced Package Tool, for fetching from the archive serviers
[01:59] <stevie> thats what I figured since it was telling me it couldnt find it by regex
[01:59] <TJ-> stevie: apt calls dpkg 'under the hood' for installing the packages it fetches
[01:59] <codepython777> TJ-: dpkg --list | grep grub | grep cu = Empty
[01:59] <TJ-> codepython777: OK, thank $diety for that!
[02:00] <stevie> another quick question, when I tried to use 'Software Install' under Xubuntu - why wouldn't it let me install the package? I clicked install and it would load then not do anything
[02:00] <codepython777> TJ-: now Escape does not do anything - just drops me into ubuntu
[02:00] <TJ-> codepython777: weird. are you tapping it repeatedly or holding it down?
[02:00] <codepython777> tapping
[02:01] <TJ-> codepython777: that's correct
[02:02] <TJ-> codepython777: maybe you're too late doing it, or too early! the duration for checking for the key can be very short, depending on the GRUB_TIMEOUT setting
[02:03] <codepython777> TJ-: I think the keyboard is no longer mounting on the usb!
[02:10] <TJ-> codepython777: in the system's firmware setup, you'll need to ensure that "Legacy USB support" is enabled - it means the firmware continues providing USBHID services to GRUB until the OS starts and takes over
[02:16] <codepython777> TJ-: trying to disable fastboot -> https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000006699/boards-and-kits.html !
[02:18] <TJ-> codepython777: that'd explain it
[02:19] <codepython777> TJ-: there is a fastboot which was enabled
[02:19] <codepython777> and it seems like one has to push the power button for 3 sec - completely wierd intel design
[02:20] <TJ-> codepython777: that's been introduced to make Windows look like it boots faster! in reality the firmware does a 'hibernate' and 'thaw' rather than the OS
[02:48] <Sven_vB> will my smartmontools long test lose its progress if I reboot, or will the disk continue where it left off?
[02:48] <cfhowlett> reboot = stop that process
[02:49] <Sven_vB> cfhowlett, thanks
[02:49] <cfhowlett> happy2help! Sven_vB
[02:49] <limbo_> Is there any way to hide the window title bar in GNOME on the latest stock ubuntu?
[02:49] <limbo_> I just switched from unity, and I already miss the vertical space.
[02:55] <redandblack> hi, I'm new to launchpad
[02:55] <redandblack> I'm wondering, if a package isn't hosted on launchpad, is there any point to submitting a debdiff or patch to a bug for the stable xenial release? From what I understand it won't be included
[02:55] <TJ-> redandblack: which package?
[02:56] <redandblack> TJ-firewalld
[02:57] <TJ-> it looks like we do an automatic import from Debian; in which case the best thing to do is open a bug against it with Debian and suggest the patch there. (check they haven't already fixed the issue of course!)
[02:59] <TJ-> redandblack: see https://packages.debian.org/sid/firewalld
[03:02] <redandblack> TJ-: they have. they're on a far later version (0.4.4.5-2 vs. xenial's 0.4.0-1).
[03:02] <redandblack> TJ-: I understand that there is no longer an automatic import from Debian for the stable release
[03:03] <redandblack> hence my question. how to fix a bug that's been pending for a year if whatever patch I submit won't be released
[03:05] <TJ-> redandblack: check our latest version though; that'll be in artful which is 4.4.5-2 too see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firewalld
[03:05] <TJ-> redandblack: so you could simply *backport* the patch from artful to xenial
[03:06] <TJ-> redandblack: as in, identify the fix in the artful package, ensure it applies to xenial cleanly, builds, and works. The proposed it via a bug report and the SRU (Stable Release Update)  process
[03:06] <TJ-> !sru
[03:06] <redandblack> TJ-: ah, ok. so I've actually done all that up to proposing it to sru
[03:07] <TJ-> redandblack: if it's already in artful then SRU should be a smooth process
[03:07] <redandblack> TJ-: I ran into a problem there because I wasn't allowed to dput
[03:07] <TJ-> redandblack: to your own PPA?
[03:08] <redandblack> TJ-: ok, I should dput to my own PPA and then how do I advertise that to sru?
[03:09] <redandblack> TJ-: it's not clear how to make the bug report on launchpad link to my PPA etc.
[03:10] <TJ-> redandblack: yes, test the build in your own PPA. install it from there to your system and ensure it works correctly as an upgrade to the existing xenial package, then subscribe the appropriate SRU team to the bug (after following the SRU guidelines for the *Universe* component. I think the rules for that are slightly different compared to 'main'
[03:10] <TJ-> redandblack: you would attach a debdiff to the bug report
[03:11] <TJ-> redandblack: where the source isn't being maintained in launchpad/bazaar/git. Source-code management is a great mess currently and has been for some time, unfortunately. You sometimes have to run round the houses to figure out where the authoratitive repo is
[03:20] <cfhowlett> !ping
[03:22] <redandblack> TJ-: I /think/ I've done that... it's taking a while for my PPA to show up
[03:39] <digital_light> Hello
[03:41] <digital_light> Hey I could use some help trying to find drivers for my wireless card.
[03:41] <digital_light> I am a first time linux user.
[03:42] <cfhowlett> !wireless | digital_light
[04:10] <digital_light> ok so I have an issue where I am trying to install ndiswrapper and I can't use the make command and can't seem to install the package.
[04:14] <redandblack> TJ-: thanks for the help. looks like it's up and everything is set. I'm still wondering how the sru team reading my bug report will know about my ppa (I do have a debdiff up on the bug page)
[04:15] <freakyy> hi all. is there any screencast software, like kazam, which can record wayland desktop? :)
[04:15] <freakyy> digital_light did u try sudo apt install build-essentials ?
[04:16] <digital_light> no... it wasn't even suggesting that.  I was trying sudo apt install make.
[04:16] <freakyy> nope that wont work
[04:16] <harut> So I had a copy of Ubuntu 14 running on an old Dell Latitude 2120 notebook and I dropped that hard drive into a Dell Optiplex 755 and it booted fine with no problems
[04:16] <digital_light> ugh it sucks having to switch between os....
[04:16] <harut> No question, just wanted to say how awesome I think that is
[04:16] <freakyy> digital_light ubuntu iscool ;D
[04:16] <harut> Linux Master Race
[04:17] <freakyy> build essentials is the package which holds all the stuff required to compile things urself
[04:17] <freakyy> so install build-essentials
[04:17] <freakyy> and trxy make again
[04:17] <digital_light> will do.
[04:18] <freakyy> oh he quit
[04:18] <freakyy> problem umm, it cant find the build essentials for me
[04:24] <freakyy> ah its build-essential
[04:24] <freakyy> ;D
[04:24] <freakyy> ok umm, so does anyone know ... a screencast program for ubuntu 17.10 and wayland?
[04:26] <digital_light> What was the command again?  Sorry had to switch oses and that is a pain
[04:26] <lotuspsychje> freakyy: kazam?
[04:29] <digital_light> Forgive me but how do I install make again...  had to disconnect to get back on my ubuntu.
[04:30] <subvhome> i don’t know if you say my question about nfs...
[04:30] <subvhome> i was disconnected…
[04:31] <redandblack> digital_light: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[04:32] <geek0584> ok guys i have a rather simple question probably, but i am kinda stumped... its been ages since i have used linux... i am trying to setup my vnc server and when irun the command ssh -L 5901:127.0.0.1:5901 -N -f -1 vncserver 127.0.0.1 i get
[04:33] <geek0584> ssh: connect to host vncserver port 22 : connection timed out
[04:33] <digital_light> It says unable to locate package build-essential.  Just a note I do not have internet atm (that is what I am trying to fix)
[04:35] <digital_light> redandblack: ^
[04:35] <geek0584> digital_light do you have an ethernet cord?
[04:36] <digital_light> My system isn't any where close to a port atm
[04:37] <geek0584> what version of linux distro are you using?
[04:37] <digital_light> The latest ubuntu
[04:37] <dos000> i have a weird issue with gnome-terminal not starting when i am in vnc (i am using tigervnc) acan anyone help please ?
[04:38] <dos000> when i start it just sits there .. and blocks
[04:38] <geek0584> digital_light 16.04 or 17?
[04:38] <digital_light> ... how do I check?
[04:38] <dos000> i installed ubuntu server17.10 on this machine
[04:39] <dos000> what should i use to debug it ?
[04:39] <redandblack> digital_light: lsb_release -d
[04:39] <digital_light> 17.10
[04:39] <geek0584> ok brb 1 sec
[04:41] <geek0584> digital_light https://packages.ubuntu.com/zesty/build-essential
[04:41] <dos000> how do i uninstall every thing that was not installed by the ubuntu-server ? i want to go back to what i had before
[04:41] <subvhome> looks like my NFS share is working.. macos reads it with delay
[04:41] <geek0584> manual download
[04:42] <geek0584> save it to a flash drive
[04:43] <redandblack> geek058: isn't it odd that digital_light didn't get build-essential with the initial install?
[04:44] <geek0584> i had to install it with my 16.04
[04:44] <geek0584> it was missing some things
[04:44] <redandblack> hm, I guess I forget
[04:45] <geek0584> red maybe you can help me with my issue
[04:46] <geek0584> i am trying to setup my vnc server and when irun the command ssh -L 5901:127.0.0.1:5901 -N -f -1 vncserver 127.0.0.1 i get
[04:46] <geek0584> ssh: connect to host vncserver port 22 : connection timed out
[04:46] <geek0584> its not assigning to the correct port
[04:47] <redandblack> I don't have any experience with vncserver
[04:48] <geek0584> im just trying to setup remote access into this nix box
[04:48] <redandblack> are you sure you're port forwarding correctly in ssh?
[04:49] <geek0584> how do i assign in ssh settings ?
[04:49] <redandblack> what port do you want to forward to what port?
[04:50] <freakyy> hm, i wonder
[04:50] <freakyy> does anyone know any good mouse cursor theme?
[04:50] <freakyy> for ubuntu?=
[04:50] <geek0584> incommng vnc/remote connections to 5901
[04:52] <redandblack> try without 'vncserver'
[04:52] <digital_light> Ok I put it on a flash drive.  Now how do I install it?
[04:53] <redandblack> geek0584: ssh -L 5901:127.0.0.1:5901 -N -f -1 127.0.0.1
[04:53] <freakyy> digital_light u have to set ur bios to boot from usb
[04:53] <freakyy> digital_light then,, just insert hte stick into any usb port
[04:53] <freakyy> it should give u a boot menu
[04:53] <freakyy> select live
[04:53] <freakyy> and boot into it
[04:53] <freakyy> try if everything works
[04:54] <freakyy> if it doesnt - it's up 2 you if you still anna install it
[04:54] <digital_light> I already have Ubuntu installed though.
[04:54] <geek0584> redandblack ssh -L 5901:localhost:5901 -N -f -1 127.0.0.1
[04:54] <geek0584> ssh: connect to host 127.0.0.1 port 22: Connection refused
[04:54] <freakyy> what did u put on a flashdrive?
[04:54] <redandblack> freakyy: d_l just put https://packages.ubuntu.com/zesty/build-essential
[04:54] <digital_light> I am trying to install a manually downloaded package
[04:55] <freakyy> boot linux, stick in usb drive, dpkg -i pkgname.deb
[04:55] <redandblack> geek0584: your vncserver is running right?
[04:55] <geek0584> ya its running
[04:55] <geek0584> let me kill and restart
[04:55] <freakyy> geek0584 what kinda vnc server is it?
[04:56] <freakyy> i once also wanted to set up a vnc server, but ... i dont know ... its somewhat ... i have no idea if i could use smb services etc. with the network then
[04:56] <geek0584> tightvnc
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> vnc is a security hole, be carefull with it
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> !vnc
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> use openssh method
[04:56] <alkisg> x2go, not freenx :)
[04:57]  * alkisg waves
[04:57] <freakyy> what is vnc? is that somethin like vpn?
[04:57] <digital_light> Ok that is giving me an error.
[04:58] <gnomethrower> freakyy: no... lets you remotely input keyboard/mouse and get display output
[04:58] <gnomethrower> think Remote Desktop for Windows if you're familiar with that, same kinda concept
[04:58] <freakyy> ahh ok ;d
[04:58] <freakyy> yrea
[04:58] <freakyy> i remember thanks
[04:58] <geek0584> openssh?
[04:58] <freakyy> hey lotuspsychje :)
[04:58] <digital_light> Dependency problems
[04:59] <lotuspsychje> hi
[04:59] <geek0584> does open ssh have gui ?
[04:59] <freakyy> digital_light ... cant u upgrade ur ubuntu?
[04:59] <freakyy> why is it that old?
[04:59] <redandblack> geek0584: ssh -y
[04:59] <digital_light> I am using 17.10 without internet atm
[05:00] <redandblack> forwards X11
[05:00] <redandblack> not like remote-desktop though... you're on your own tty
[05:01] <freakyy> digital_light hm i cant help u then ... ive never done anything like that
[05:01] <alkisg> geek0584: lotuspsychje meant that you should use ssh to encrypt your vnc connection, i.e. use both ssh and vnc, not just ssh -X
[05:01] <alkisg> geek0584: as the wiki page says... in the openssh paragraph
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> vnc gets hammered worldwide, so pretty bad idea
[05:01] <redandblack> alkisg: that's exactly what geek0584 is trying to do
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> also for ssh use fail2ban
[05:02] <freakyy> digital_light u might be able to ... just download a recent daily image and then ... use it to install stuff
[05:02] <freakyy> like as "installation medium"
[05:02] <dos000> i have tigervnc working fine here .. except i cant  start gnome-terminal .. xterm is working fine but very ugly
[05:02] <geek0584> exactly lotus
[05:02] <freakyy> but for that u have to flash ur usb drive
[05:02] <freakyy> and i dont know if it works so, yeah
[05:02] <geek0584> i am trying to setup my vnc server and when irun the command ssh -L 5901:127.0.0.1:5901 -N -f -1 vncserver 127.0.0.1 i get
[05:03] <freakyy> what is better: white cursor or black/gray cursor? breeze or breeze_snow?
[05:03] <geek0584> ssh: connect to host vncserver port 22 : connection timed out
[05:03] <digital_light> Freakyy: I honestly have no idea what you mean. I just installed Linux for the Dorsey time
[05:03] <geek0584> not sure what i might have configured wrong
[05:03] <freakyy> digital_light oh u just installed it ok ..
[05:04] <dos000> geek0584: can you connect ssh normally to that box ?
[05:04] <freakyy> then why dont u have an installation medium ... u can use that as source for build-essential
[05:04] <dos000> geek0584: seems like your ssh server is not running on that port .. maybe
[05:05] <dos000> confirm that first
[05:05] <geek0584> going by https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-and-configure-vnc-on-ubuntu-16-04
[05:05] <alkisg> geek0584: you want to access your already logged in desktop, or do you want to start a new remote desktop?
[05:05] <digital_light> freakyy: it didn't come with it.
[05:05] <sdfgsdfg> hi how can I "diff -u" only the subdirectories 1 level below ?
[05:05] <freakyy> digital_light oh so u have something new, like a new pc but ... the network connection doestn work? oO
[05:06] <freakyy> digital_light however, when u download the iso of 17.10 u might be able to set that as installation medium in /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:06] <digital_light> No.  The install didn't have build-essentials.  I just installed the ISO myself.
[05:06] <freakyy> and then install build essential from there
[05:07] <geek0584> thats the guide that i am going by
[05:07] <freakyy> digital_light ok ... then use that iso as installation source ... ;D
[05:07] <freakyy> it should have the dependencies
[05:07] <digital_light> It didn't though.
[05:07] <freakyy> hm
[05:08] <redandblack> geek0584: try "ssh localhost" and see if you can get in
[05:08] <digital_light> I installed off the ISO and it doesn't have some things.
[05:08] <freakyy> it doesnt install everythin that son the dvd so ... could u maybe boot the iso, and then do:  sudo apt install build-essential
[05:08] <freakyy> ?
[05:08] <digital_light> I will try....
[05:08] <freakyy> ok just put it inside
[05:08] <freakyy> the umm
[05:09] <freakyy> dvd thing not ur local disc
[05:09] <freakyy> just to check if it has it
[05:09] <freakyy> but it should have it
[05:09] <geek0584> ssh localhost
[05:09] <geek0584> ssh: connect to host localhost port 22: Connection refused
[05:09] <digital_light> It is a flash drive
[05:09] <freakyy> usb stick?
[05:09] <redandblack> ssh is your problem
[05:09] <digital_light> Yeap
[05:09] <freakyy> that doesnt matter, installation medium is isntalaltion medium
[05:09] <freakyy> somehow ;D
[05:11] <freakyy> digital_light :D
[05:11] <digital_light> ... it thinks my flash drive is an amd machine
[05:12] <redandblack> geek0584: "sudo systemctl restart ssh"
[05:12] <freakyy> hm
[05:12] <geek0584> ok 1 sec
[05:12] <freakyy> cant help u there
[05:12] <freakyy> didnt u install off that medium?
[05:12] <freakyy> wait
[05:12] <freakyy> did u install using that flash drive?
[05:12] <freakyy> if yes, then boot into the system and do
[05:13] <geek0584> Failed to restart ssh.service: Unit ssh.service not found.
[05:13] <freakyy> windows-key: software and there choose the one with the cogwheel
[05:13] <geek0584> ermmm
[05:13] <freakyy> then u have an option there
[05:13] <freakyy> installation medium
[05:13] <freakyy> DVD
[05:13] <freakyy> ;D
[05:13] <freakyy> select that
[05:13] <freakyy> might work
[05:14] <redandblack> geek0584: sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[05:14] <redandblack> geek0584: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Configuring
[05:15] <geek0584> give me a few gonna run through that now
[05:16] <freakyy> brb, gettin smth 2 drink
[05:17] <dos000> ok .. i found something with strace https://paste.ubuntu.com/25821390/ .. anyone one rings a bell ?
[05:18] <freakyy> digital_light and? :)
[05:19] <digital_light> I am not seeing one with a cog
[05:20] <freakyy> oh then
[05:20] <freakyy> try to find the right one
[05:20] <freakyy> its called applications or something
[05:21] <cfhowlett> freaky nope
[05:21] <freakyy> cfhowlett sorry i have another icon theme ;D
[05:21] <cfhowlett> see the cog on the LOGIN screen
[05:21] <freakyy> no nothing with login screen ;D
[05:21] <cfhowlett> if I understand what your goal is
[05:21] <freakyy> we need the applications dialog
[05:21]  * cfhowlett slips quietly back to lurk-mode
[05:22] <freakyy> which shows the ... installation source mediums
[05:22] <digital_light> End goal of getting build-essential installed
[05:23] <freakyy> without having internet access ;D
[05:23] <freakyy> for getting internetaccess
[05:23] <freakyy> with dependencies ;D
[05:23] <freakyy> digital_light do u have any ethernet cable?
[05:23] <freakyy> maybe that could help
[05:23] <digital_light> I don't have a nearby port
[05:24] <freakyy> ok
[05:24] <freakyy> so could u find it yet?
[05:25] <digital_light> No...
[05:27] <freakyy> umm
[05:28] <freakyy> try typing in: additional software
[05:28] <freakyy> then open that dialog
[05:28] <freakyy> and then choose the tab all tot he left
[05:28] <freakyy> sorry additional drivers
[05:28] <freakyy> not software
[05:28] <digital_light> Hang on...
[05:28] <digital_light> I might have downloaded the wrong thin
[05:28] <freakyy> ok
[05:28] <freakyy> ;D
[05:29] <digital_light> I clicked on the dev and it says it is an informational ist of build-essential packages....
[05:29] <digital_light> List*
[05:30] <freakyy> build-essential actually is a meta package installing compilers libaries etc. for compiling stuff
[05:30] <freakyy> what is the thing u trying to install?
[05:30] <freakyy> is it a .deb?
[05:31] <digital_light> Yes
[05:32] <digital_light> From https://packages.ubuntu.com/zesty/build-essential
[05:33] <freakyy> oh yes of course sorry, i meant the thing u need build-essential for
[05:33] <freakyy> what is it? a wifi adapter driver?
[05:34] <freakyy> does anyone know a good software for takin screenshots on ubuntu with wayland?
[05:34] <freakyy> and for ubuntu on xorg?
[05:34] <freakyy> which works on both
[05:35] <digital_light> I am trying to install ndiswrapper
[05:35] <freakyy> hm ok ;)
[05:35] <freakyy> doesnt that have a package itself?
[05:36] <cfhowlett> it does!   sudo apt install ndiswrapper
[05:36] <digital_light> Unable to locate package
[05:37] <freakyy> so the same problem u have with build-essentials now
[05:37] <freakyy> wait
[05:38] <freakyy> ndiswrapper/artful 1.60-4ubuntu1 amd64
[05:38] <freakyy>   Userspace utilities for the ndiswrapper Linux kernel module
[05:38] <freakyy> for me it has it
[05:38] <freakyy> why dont u download that .deb
[05:38] <digital_light> No I
[05:38] <cfhowlett> digital_light, what ubuntu version are you on?
[05:38] <digital_light> Don't
[05:38] <digital_light> Have
[05:38] <freakyy> 17.10 cfhowlett
[05:38] <digital_light> Internet
[05:38] <freakyy> digital_light ok ... yes thats a problem ;D
[05:39] <digital_light> That is what I need ndiswrapper for
[05:39] <cfhowlett> digital_light, apt policy ndiswrapper | pastebinit
[05:39] <cfhowlett> wait are you NOT on the target machine then??
[05:39] <digital_light> No iam
[05:39] <cfhowlett> cool:      apt policy ndiswrapper | pastebinit
[05:40] <freakyy> pastebinit rules :D
[05:40] <cfhowlett> indeed!
[05:40] <nchambers> digital_light: then how do you not have internet?
[05:40] <digital_light> Pastebinit is not installed
[05:40] <redandblack> digital_light isn't going to have pastebinit
[05:41] <nchambers> digital_light: apt policy ndiswrapper | curl -sF 'f:1=<-' http://ix.io/
[05:41] <digital_light> I downloaded the ISO from a Windows version of this computer.
[05:41] <redandblack> digital_light: when you booted the livecd iso you should have been able to have access to the internet and then been able to do all this stuff
[05:41] <digital_light> Curl is internet based right?
[05:41] <nchambers> its an http client
[05:41] <freakyy> he doesnt have internet ;D
[05:41] <digital_light> It isn't recognizing my adapter
[05:41] <redandblack> what's your adapter?
[05:42] <nchambers> freakyy: you need internet for pastebinit as well
[05:42] <cfhowlett> atheros would be my bet ...
[05:42] <nchambers> and for IRC
[05:42] <digital_light> Asus pce-ac68
[05:42] <freakyy> nchambers yes ... but we have to admin, that continuing trying him to paste something off that pc is senseless
[05:42] <digital_light> I am on my phone atm
[05:42] <freakyy> *admit
[05:43] <nchambers> freakyy: not really
[05:43] <freakyy> digital_light hm, if u were on windows id say, try tethering -> usb -> mobile phone ;D
[05:43] <freakyy> -> internet
[05:43] <digital_light> Freakyy that might just work
[05:43] <digital_light> Brb
[05:44] <freakyy> good luck
[05:44] <freakyy> nobdoy knows any screenshot tool for gnome on wayland? :(
[05:44] <freakyy> any good one not the defautl one integrated into gnome because that one sucks. doesnt have upload nothing
[05:47] <cfhowlett> freakyy, eh? offers a choice of zimage or imgur upload
[05:48] <freakyy> cfhowlett how?
[05:49] <cfhowlett> screenshot > Host on Imgur > upload > choose a sized link.
[05:49] <cfhowlett> http://i.imgur.com/ntcRz57.png
[05:49] <Bashing-om> freakyy: shutter ?? ' apt show shutter ' .
[05:50] <freakyy> Bashing-om dont like shutter
[05:50] <freakyy> cfhowlett wait, how did u open that?
[05:50] <freakyy> i have "screenshot" but
[05:50] <freakyy> it doesnt offer anyhting like upload to imgur etc.
[05:50] <cfhowlett> I'm on Xubuntu so I have a different app.  wait 1
[05:51] <digital_light> I know what happened
[05:51] <digital_light> It installed the and versions.
[05:51] <cfhowlett> freakyy, OK, I have xfce screenshooter.  you could simulate installation with   apt install -s screenshooter.
[05:51] <digital_light> Amd
[05:52] <digital_light> I have intel.
[05:52] <cfhowlett> digital_light, intel what?
[05:52] <digital_light> Cpu
[05:53] <freakyy> cfhowlett hm no thx i want something for gnome ;D
[05:53] <freakyy> how do i switch the default file browser application in gnome? for some reason its opening dolphin
[05:54] <freakyy> (as i have kubuntu co-installed)
[05:54] <hateball> digital_light: 64-bit packages are amd in name, they don't mean there's a problem on intel 64-bit
[05:54] <digital_light> Oh....
[05:54] <digital_light> That isn't clear then XD
[05:55] <digital_light> I have make installed already then
[05:55] <freakyy> wahts the error?
[05:55] <digital_light> Wait nvm....
[05:55] <digital_light> I read the wrong line...
[05:58] <freakyy> ok ;D
[06:02] <freakyy> what yall think about my website: www.freakyness.de :D
[06:02] <freakyy> it runs on an ubuntu server ;D
[06:03] <digital_light> Ok so work around idea
[06:03] <digital_light> Using my galaxy s7 as tethered wifi
[06:04] <freakyy> doesit work?
[06:04] <freakyy> install everythign u need
[06:04] <freakyy> i have to go now
[06:04] <freakyy> bye all ;D
[06:04] <freakyy> ~gone
[06:05] <digital_light> But it doesn't want to recognize it either
[06:20] <digital_light> GOT IT
[06:20] <digital_light> It I downloaded the wrong file
[06:34] <digital_light> I legit have to through each dependency and install it manually D:
[06:34] <cfhowlett> and THAT is why we always say DO NOT install debs ...
[06:35] <digital_light> I will do what I have to.
[06:42] <ducasse> digital_light: do you know which chipset your adapter uses? there might be a better way to do this
[06:42] <digital_light> Give me one sec and i will find out
[06:46] <rory> How can I install libperl.so.5.18 - I only have libperl.so.5.22
[06:46] <rory> 16.04
[06:46] <aps> Hi all. I wanted to find out if the change in cpu counters in /proc/stat are supposed to add up to a fixed value?
[06:47] <digital_light> Broadcom BCM4360 ducasse
[06:49] <ducasse> digital_light: then you probably want bcmwl-kernel-source
[06:50] <Bashing-om> !bcm | digital_light
[06:52] <ducasse> rory: short answer, you don't. you would need to replace 5.22, and other programs depend on that. you'll only break stuff.
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> !info perl xenial | rory
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> morning alkisg
[06:55] <alkisg> Morning lotuspsychje, hi all
[06:57] <cfhowlett> digital_light, bcm 4360 should be repairable in minutes with an ubuntu .iso.
[06:57] <digital_light> How?
[06:57] <cfhowlett> read the link from ubottu
[06:58] <cfhowlett> I use the "STA - no internet access"
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> digital_light: as cfhowlett says, the driver should be in the iso dir of ubuntu, somewhere in /pool or so?
[07:07] <digital_light> I am still having issues... Still missing things
[07:08] <lotuspsychje> digital_light: explain?
[07:09] <ThetaOrionis> Hey guys, so I have Ubuntu 16.04 installed on my Asus 301 chromebook with Crouton, and many things like scanning something or mounting/unmounting external drives etc fails in normal mode. When I use gksudo, it works.
[07:10] <ThetaOrionis> Is there any way Ubuntu can just behave normally on croutun?
[07:10] <OERIAS> Is there a plan for patches to fix some of the issue with Unity on 17.10?
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> OERIAS: can you detail 'issue'?
[07:11] <digital_light> I have the install disk as installable but when I try to install the first package it says ...
[07:11] <hateball> ThetaOrionis: probably better to ask in #crouton
[07:11] <lotuspsychje> ThetaOrionis: there might be some kernel play to come along to get it the way you want
[07:12] <digital_light> Dkms depends on gcc however gcc is not configured yet
[07:12] <ThetaOrionis> I see. Didn't know that a dedicated channel existed for that. :D Thanks hateball
[07:14] <digital_light> Just a note I downloaded the ISO onto a USB stick if makes a difference
[07:14] <lotuspsychje> OERIAS: https://itsfoss.com/use-unity-ubuntu-17-10/
[07:15] <digital_light> I don't even have one of the folders the instructions have
[07:18] <digital_light> Let me check something
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> digital_light: to get your issue solved, repeat here once in a while with all details: ubuntu version? system up to date? kernel? steps tryed?
[07:19] <digital_light> lotuspsychje: what do you mean by system up to date?
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> digital_light: latest updates
[07:20] <digital_light> So maybe... kinda hard to update with no internet
[07:20] <lotuspsychje> digital_light: wich iso did you download?
[07:20] <lotuspsychje> digital_light: .3?
[07:20] <hateball> ThetaOrionis: crouton is a special case after all, since it runs in a chroot jail... and on top of chromeOS at that
[07:21] <digital_light> Give me one sec
[07:21] <ThetaOrionis> Indeed...
[07:21] <digital_light> Have to check that one Windows
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> digital_light: lsb_release -a & uname -a can help you
[07:22] <digital_light> The name of the ISO is ubuntu-17.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> oh your on artful
[07:23] <digital_light> I guess
[07:23] <lotuspsychje> digital_light: can you put a cable in and update system?
[07:24] <digital_light> Nope
[07:24] <lotuspsychje> digital_light: ok, did you browse the iso for that broadcom wifi?
[07:24] <digital_light> I am upstairs router is downstairs
[07:24] <auronandace> digital_light: just to be clear you'll need to use the same release iso as the system you installed
[07:24] <digital_light> I used windows.
[07:25] <digital_light> Considering I used that ISO to install today I am
[07:26] <lotuspsychje> digital_light: did you browse your iso for the broadcom driver?
[07:28] <digital_light> I made a bootable USB drive from it.
[07:29] <lotuspsychje> digital_light: thats not what im asking, you have your broadcom not working, so you need to install it from the iso dir
[07:29] <digital_light> Yes it is there but I can't install it
[07:29] <lotuspsychje> digital_light: whats your error on it?
[07:30] <digital_light> It says I am missing dkms, linux-libc-dev, and libc6-dev
[07:30] <alkisg> digital_light: does the live cd have internet access?
[07:31] <digital_light> No..
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> digital_light: did you try installing it with software centre?
[07:31] <digital_light> Yes....
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[07:31] <digital_light> It doesn't say anything
[07:31] <alkisg> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx says that the live cd has the headers and all the required parts to have the driver working, but not the installed system
[07:32] <alkisg> And it has the paths on the cd where dkms and the others are located
[07:32] <digital_light> Let me try to install it on the LIVE CD then
[07:32] <alkisg> E.g. cd /cdrom/pool/main/d/dkms; sudo dpkg -i dkms*
[07:32] <alkisg> digital_light: try the instructions on the real installation first
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: +1
[07:33] <alkisg> Follow the page. If that fails, then try from the live cd.
[07:33] <digital_light> Tried that..
[07:33] <alkisg> And dkms wasn't there?
[07:33] <digital_light> No but it's dependencies weren't installed
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> digital_light: wich driver did you chooe to install exactly?
[07:34] <alkisg> Take the instructions from the start, and tell us on the first error that you see
[07:35] <alkisg> What is the exact chipset again? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx#Internal_cards
[07:35] <digital_light> The one that came with the iso
[07:35] <digital_light> Broadcom BCM4360
[07:39] <ducasse> according to the manifest there's no dkms on the artful iso
[07:39] <digital_light> There is though....
[07:40]  * dax ponders
[07:40] <digital_light> Under pool/main/d
[07:40] <alkisg> $ ls -l /mnt/pool/main/d/dkms/dkms_2.3-3ubuntu3_all.deb
[07:40] <alkisg> -r--r--r-- 1 root root 68310 Οκτ   6 13:28 /mnt/pool/main/d/dkms/dkms_2.3-3ubuntu3_all.deb
[07:40] <alkisg> ducasse: ^
[07:40] <alkisg> digital_light: start with the instructions, step by step, and tell us the first error message that you see
[07:40] <ducasse> still, it's not in the manifest :)
[07:41] <alkisg> $ ls -l /mnt/pool/restricted/b/bcmwl/bcmwl-kernel-source_6.30.223.271+bdcom-0ubuntu3_amd64.deb
[07:41] <alkisg> -r--r--r-- 1 root root 1544084 Ιούν 12 19:00 /mnt/pool/restricted/b/bcmwl/bcmwl-kernel-source_6.30.223.271+bdcom-0ubuntu3_amd64.deb
[07:44] <alkisg> Here are all the .deb files in the CD: http://termbin.com/duvw
[07:44] <alkisg> I don't think any dependency is missing.
[07:46] <digital_light> I am doing a reinstall because I could install the driver just fine from the live CD.  I feel like I screwed something up
[07:47] <alkisg> digital_light: if you have net from the cd, you can use "chroot" to update your installed system
[07:47] <digital_light> A little too late XD fresh install just finished
[07:48] <alkisg> digital_light: for example, you can do that now
[07:48] <alkisg> I.e. *before* reboot
[07:48] <alkisg> When you're still in the live system
[07:48] <digital_light> I had just clicked restart....
[07:58] <Minsox> hi. I am trying to get ubuntu night light to work. for some reason it doesn't work. it does change the color of my screen if I enable and disable the color profile, but it doesn't automatically adjust the color after that. it's fixed on that color.
[07:59] <digital_light> Ok first error I get is trying to install dkms
[08:01] <digital_light> Says I am missing gcc and make | build-essential | dpkg-dev
[08:01] <bazhang> digital_light, how are you presently connected to irc
[08:01] <digital_light> My phone
[08:02] <bazhang> digital_light, do you have any internet computers of any sort
[08:02] <digital_light> Yes....
[08:02] <digital_light> I have  a laptop.
[08:03] <bazhang> digital_light, so what is preventing you from removing the cable from that an connecting it to the ubuntu one
[08:03] <digital_light> ... It is connected on Wi-Fi
[08:03] <digital_light> And my router is downstairs while I am upstairs
[08:04] <bazhang> digital_light, so your router has no cable options at all
[08:04] <digital_light> upstairs... vs downstairs
[08:04] <digital_light> That is the issue
[08:07] <ph88> kostkon, can i keep my sublime text or do i need to uninstall it before changing ppa ?
[08:08] <digital_light> bazhang: I could carry my desktop downstairs as well my peripherals but even the I don't think we have a cable to spare
[08:12] <ph88> do i need to uninstall software before changing ppa ?
[08:16] <alkisg> digital_light: I don't see any dependency missing: http://termbin.com/duvw
[08:16] <alkisg> digital_light: if you're having difficulties installing the .debs from the cd, you can also do it from the live cd, and then use chroot as I said
[08:17] <alkisg> ph88: no, you can uninstall/install etc it even after you change PPAs
[08:18] <digital_light> I had go through and manually find them but they were there....
[08:18] <digital_light> And it works
[08:39] <klemax> Hello.
[08:40] <klemax> I lost my windows part on bootloader.
[08:40] <klemax> How to fix it?
[08:43] <alkisg> How/when did you lose it?
[08:43] <klemax> alkisg: after installing ubuntu.
[08:44] <klemax> I cant see it on bootloader menu.
[08:44] <alkisg> klemax: you don't see an option to boot windows (in grub menu?)
[08:44] <alkisg> That means something is wrong
[08:44] <klemax> alkisg: yes i dont see it
[08:44] <alkisg> Put the output of `sudo lsblk --fs` to pastebin
[08:44] <klemax> But i checked the data
[08:44] <klemax> Sure
[08:46] <klemax> alkisg: paste.ubuntu.com/25822065/
[08:47] <amosbird> Hi, doesn anyone use termite? how can I make it highlight links
[08:47] <bazhang> !info termite
[08:47] <bazhang> whats termite
[08:47] <klemax> alkisg: I need to add this vista part to bootloader.
[08:47] <ducasse> amosbird: i use it, but it doesn't do that afaik
[08:48] <alkisg> klemax: also put your /boot/grub/grub.cfg to pastebin, and finally, mount "vista" and upload the output of "ls /mnt/boot-sav/sda2"
[08:51] <klemax> alkisg: is there a package that copies of outputs to the pastebin ubuntu?
[08:51] <alkisg> klemax: command | nc termbin.com 9999
[08:51] <alkisg> There's also pastebinit, if you want to install a package
[08:51] <klemax> Ok thanks
[08:52] <klemax> alkisg: termbin.com/ lzzo3
[08:52] <klemax> Opss sorry.
[08:53] <klemax> alkisg: termbin.com/lzzo3
[08:53] <alkisg> klemax: menuentry 'Windows 10 (on /dev/sda2)' --class windows --class os $menuentry_id_option 'osprober-chain-22F05BC2F05B9ABD' {
[08:53] <alkisg> You do have an entry for windows there
[08:53] <alkisg> How are you not seeing it when you boot?
[08:54] <amosbird> ducasse: ok. Does it support word completion?
[08:54] <ducasse> amosbird: nope. btw, try ctrl+shift+x
[08:54] <amosbird> yeah, i know that:)
[08:54] <klemax> alkisg: Let me explain it. I installed win10 on sda6 after that i installed ubuntu on same place. But i had win vista on sda2.
[08:54] <klemax> alkisg: and now vista can not boot.
[08:55] <klemax> alkisg: i know thats so weird.
[08:55] <alkisg> klemax: ah, you had vista, then installed win10, then win10 took over the windows boot manager of vista, then you installed ubuntu, and now grub loads the windows 10 boot manager which then cannot boot vista
[08:55] <alkisg> klemax: what error message do you see?
[08:56] <klemax> alkisg: yeah exactly
[08:57] <klemax> alkisg: when i boot win 10, repair manager are being opened but the process does not continue.
[08:57] <klemax> Because it is already deleted.
[08:57] <klemax> I hope i could express myself.
[08:57] <alkisg> klemax: right, so at this point it's a windows issue, not an ubuntu issue, although you might have some success if you try "ntldr /bootmgr" from grub in the vista partition
[08:58] <squarecircle> ohai, I'm searching for a iso for the next release 18.04
[08:58] <squarecircle> is there a testing image?
[08:58] <alkisg> Do you have another pc to join irc while you type some commands at the grub prompt?
[08:58] <klemax> Im using androirc right now. Im not on pc
[08:58] <ducasse> squarecircle: no
[08:59] <klemax> alkisg: i can do whatever you want.
[08:59] <alkisg> klemax: ok, before rebooting, paste the output of "ls sda2"
[08:59] <squarecircle> ducasse: how do I prepare for the next release? can I just install 17.10 and change the sources?
[08:59] <ducasse> squarecircle: there's nothing there yet
[08:59] <alkisg> klemax: i.e. i want to see the files of the vista root directory
[09:00] <klemax> Ok
[09:00] <ducasse> squarecircle: hold your horses and wait for there to be something to test
[09:00] <hateball> squarecircle: there's no nightly builds for 18.04 yet
[09:03] <klemax> alkisg: termbin.com/d5kz
[09:03] <squarecircle> ducasse: woah. well requirement is a LTS release. last one is 16.04, which does not support Ryzen processors
[09:04] <squarecircle> so I need 17.10 or 18.04, 17.10 obviously does not work out as it is no LTS release
[09:04] <squarecircle> hateball: thats meh, thank you
[09:04] <ducasse> squarecircle: 18.04 won't be usable for a good while yet
[09:04] <alkisg> klemax: ok, try this: reboot, press e in grub to get a shell, and type these commands: set root=(hd0,msdos2); ntldr /bootmgr; boot
[09:05] <klemax> Ok
[09:05] <ducasse> squarecircle: doesn't work for what?
[09:05] <alkisg> squarecircle: LTS releases get newer kernels every 6 months, so they support newer hardware
[09:06] <squarecircle> alkisg: when does 16.04 is scheduled to support Ryzen?
[09:06] <alkisg> Which kernel "supports ryzen"?
[09:06] <ducasse> squarecircle: 16.04 has 4.13 available now, did you try that?
[09:07] <klemax> alkisg:  i cant use = in grub shell.
[09:07] <alkisg> klemax: type all keys in the keyboard until you find it
[09:07] <alkisg> It might be in a different place
[09:07] <klemax> Hehe yeah.
[09:08] <akik> klemax: try left of backspace
[09:08] <alkisg> squarecircle: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack#Kernel.2FSupport.A16.04.x_Ubuntu_Kernel_Support
[09:09] <alkisg> An of course you can install any kernel from the kernel PPAs
[09:11] <alkisg> squarecircle: from what I just read, kernel 4.10 is needed, which is the default in ubuntu 16.04.3.
[09:13] <klemax> alkisg: yeah finally done
[09:13] <alkisg> klemax: did it boot?
[09:14] <klemax> alkisg: still being opened win10 repair manager.
[09:15] <alkisg> klemax: then your /boot folder is wrong, so you'd need to fix it from windows, there are tutorials for that
[09:15] <alkisg> (C:\boot)
[09:16] <squarecircle> alkisg: I'll try this
[09:16] <klemax> alkisg: so i need to install win on sda2 again.
[09:16] <klemax> Opss
[09:16] <klemax> Sda6
[09:17] <alkisg> klemax: there are ways to fix it; reinstall might help too, yeah
[09:17] <alkisg> It's out of topic now though
[09:17] <klemax> alkisg: Ok thanks for ur help, i appreciate.
[09:17] <alkisg> np
[09:18] <klemax> I need a package that will write win iso to usb.
[09:19] <bazhang> ##windows klemax
[09:19] <senaa> cannot launch packettracer 7.1 https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/pEtsSUqa/P71026-161524.jpg
[09:19] <senaa> solution ?
[09:19] <klemax> On ubuntu bazhang.
[09:20] <akik> klemax: which windows version is it and uefi or non-uefi boot?
[09:21] <klemax> Vista non uefi boot
[09:21] <klemax> Actually win7
[09:21] <akik> klemax: i have a guide how to do it in win7. maybe it'll work for you https://atkdinosaurus.wordpress.com/2016/07/20/how-to-create-a-bootable-windows-7-usb-stick-in-linux/
[09:22] <klemax> Oh thanks let me check it
[09:23] <akik> klemax: just be careful to use the correct devices
[09:23] <klemax> Ok
[09:23] <senaa> ./PacketTracer7 error while loading shared libraries: libqt5webkitwidgets.so.5
[09:24] <LTCD> Hey, I am using Ubuntu. I have changed my power settings to never suspend. However, my laptop after a certain period of time goes onto lockscreen where it asks for my password to login, how can I prevent this from happening?
[09:24] <senaa> help me
[09:25] <squarecircle> alkisg: thanks
[09:25] <alkisg> np
[09:28] <rvgate> for some reason my update-manager is not using my system wide proxy settings... even setting "Acquire::http::Proxy" in "/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/proxy" or "/etc/apt/apt.conf" does not change anything... apt update works
[09:32] <klemax> alkisg: if i installed ubuntu on sda6, would it fix it?
[09:32] <alkisg> klemax: no
[09:32] <klemax> Humm only win then.
[09:38] <b01t> Hello
[09:38] <brainwash> LTCD: settings > brightness & lock
[09:39] <b01t> I installed ubuntu xenial in vagrant/virtualbox(vagrant init 'ubuntu/xenial64' but am unable to find a package in there
[09:39] <b01t> the package is called libzmq5; and by all sources online it should be available in the main repositories..
[09:41] <brainwash> !info libzmq5 xenial
[09:42] <brainwash> is the universe repo enabled?
[09:42] <b01t> brainwash: I think so
[09:42] <brainwash> check with "apt-cache policy"
[09:43] <brainwash> also "apt-cache policy libzmq5"
[09:43] <b01t> ok
[09:43] <b01t> Installed (none) Candidate (none)
[09:44] <b01t> so you think the universe repo is disabled?
[09:44] <brainwash> run the first command
[09:44] <b01t> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial/universe amd64 Packages
[09:44] <b01t>      release v=16.04,o=Ubuntu,a=xenial,n=xenial,l=Ubuntu,c=universe,b=amd64
[09:44] <b01t>      origin archive.ubuntu.com
[09:45] <b01t> I think it's enabled..
[09:45] <brainwash> looks like it
[09:45] <LTCD> brainwash Thank you.
[09:46] <b01t> brainwash: why can't it find the package then?
[09:47] <brainwash> a simple "sudo apt-get update" does not solve it?
[09:47] <brainwash> to refresh the package list
[09:48] <b01t> no..
[09:48] <b01t> tried it multiple times already
[09:49] <brainwash> pretty odd
[09:51] <brainwash> one could download it manually from launchpad, and then install it
[09:51] <b01t> umm can you elaborate?
[09:51] <brainwash> but that does not fix the underlying problem
[09:51] <b01t> exactly
[09:52] <brainwash> perhaps it's worth to try with a different mirror
[09:54] <brainwash> are you able to find other packages from the universe repository?
[09:55] <Ben64> bet the problem is vagrant
[09:57] <b01t> lol
[09:58] <senaa> hmm cannot locate pacakage libQt5WebKitWidgets
[10:00] <brainwash> senaa: try libqt5webkit5
[10:01] <jamisnemo> I'm trying to get a laptop with an nvidia gtx 950m to stop looping back to the lightdm login screen. Any hints on the latest up to date info on this?
[10:02] <Hejkki> umm
[10:02] <jamisnemo> I just want the damn thing to work, i could care less about the nvidia drivers
[10:02] <metaphysician> Hello, why are upstart-bridge processes still around in 16.04?
[10:02] <brainwash> jamisnemo: which ubuntu version is that?
[10:03] <jamisnemo> brainwash, 16.04.3
[10:03] <ThinkT510> metaphysician: because you can upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04
[10:03] <Hejkki> back to the old days... chrome uses 100% cpu when it has 2 pages open.... lol
[10:03] <jamisnemo> brainwash, I've tried the ppa, the standard packages, the xserver-xorg-video-nouveau drivers.... none of them seem to work right
[10:04] <brainwash> jamisnemo: sadly, I'm not familiar with nvidia gpus
[10:04] <cerion> hi. I can't power off my bluetooth device unless it has been disconnected. Is htere an extension to allow to disconnect bluetooth device frm the menu (at the top rgiht) without going into bluetooth parameter ?
[10:04] <metaphysician> ThinkT510: Why are they around even in fresh 16.04 installs?
[10:04] <jamisnemo> brainwash, alright thanks
[10:05] <brainwash> metaphysician: upstart may be still used for user services
[10:06] <ThinkT510> metaphysician: my guess would be some software in the repositories my not have updated from upstart to systemd yet (especially in universe/multiverse)
[10:07] <brainwash> panel indicators for example
[10:07] <metaphysician> brainwash: ok. initctl --user list  shows only bridge processes and startxfce4 processes running.
[10:07] <senaa> brainwash: how to install all package libqt5 ?
[10:08] <brainwash> metaphysician: there you have it. the xfce indicator panel plugin probably still depends on upstart
[10:10] <brainwash> senaa: maybe install something that depends on all these libs, like qtwebkit5-examples
[10:11] <brainwash> senaa: I guess it would be helpful to know which application you are trying to run in the first place
[10:11] <senaa> brainwash: thank you my cisco working🙏
[10:11] <brainwash> great :)
[10:13] <metaphysician> What is the (sd-pam) process?
[10:13] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:13] <yetitwo> hey all! i recently upgraded to 17.10, and i'm unfamiliar with the gnome DE, having used unity for so long. one feature of unity i got used to was being able to tile windows using ctrl+alt+<numpad>. is there a way to get that behavior in gnome?
[10:14] <yetitwo> i've tried googling for an extension that does that but i haven't had much luck
[10:14] <bazhang> yetitwo, the gnome extensions website?
[10:15] <brainwash> metaphysician: looks like systemd-pam
[10:15] <yetitwo> bazhang: yeah, i've been looking and haven't found anything yet
[10:16] <bazhang> yetitwo, that would be the place I would check
[10:26] <Jhs> I can't use "sudo gedit" after updating to 17.10. it says "Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyUnable to init server". how can i fix this?
[10:26] <freakyy> klemax unetbootin ?
[10:26] <freakyy> oh sorry had still scrolled up
[10:26] <hateball> Jhs: because you shouldnt sudo X apps
[10:26] <hateball> !gksudo | Jhs
[10:26] <Jhs> hateball, ok cool, thx
[10:27] <klemax> freakyy: is it for creating win isos to usb?
[10:27] <freakyy> klemax yes :)
[10:27] <freakyy> bootable usb drive = unetbootin
[10:28] <freakyy> u can choose an iso or let it download the files itself
[10:28] <Jhs> hateball, i installed gksu and tried "gksudo gedit". a window for entering password pops up, but it doesn't let me input the password... :/
[10:30] <akik> sudo -i sets up the environment for "graphical" apps
[10:32] <Jhs> hateball, figured it out: needed to go to gksu-properties and disable screen grabbing
[10:33] <hateball> Jhs: :)
[11:38] <FManTropyx> my Ubuntu dekstop froze again... it seems that the disk was full, but it has done it before
[11:48] <hlias> hey there, ubuntu 17.10 wayland: can you drag and drop from file-roller to nautilus? or is it just me?
[11:49] <hlias> also, can't drang & drom a firefox link to mpv
[11:59] <incog> drang & drom
[12:00] <incog> who will help poor little hilias on his quest to slay the evil dragon, drom
[12:06] <b100s> hi2all; if i have mounted cgroups `mount -t cgroup2 none /mnt/cgroup2` how could i limit memory for process by pid?
[12:08] <qswz> how do you append a new line in a file: echo '\nshit' >> .gitignore ?
[12:09] <akik> qswz: echo -e
[12:11] <qswz> ok thx
[12:39] <R13ose> When I try to install flash, I get an error occurred while applying changes.  I have no idea why.
[12:40] <auronandace> R13ose: you'll need to share the error for someone to help. Are you installing flash from the default repos?
[12:40] <oerheks> sounds like the update today
[12:42] <R13ose> auronandace: from discover.  I can't tell what the error is, the details box doesn't work to show more information
[12:44] <oerheks> run updates in terminal again
[12:45] <R13ose> Done.  There is no flash update.  This error haa been there for ages
[12:48] <oerheks> ahh, now we need to ask what error...
[12:48] <R13ose> Yes but how do I find that out?
[12:57] <auronandace> R13ose: you'll need to pastebin the output of sudo apt-get update
[12:57] <auronandace> !pastebin
[12:58] <auronandace> R13ose: sudo apt-get upgrade would also be useful
[12:58] <R13ose> auronandace: there are no errors or updates in that
[12:59] <auronandace> R13ose: where are you getting an error with regards to applying changes then?
[12:59] <motaka2> Hi, I have installed xmind on my ubuntu 16.04 and I cant find where it is installed so that I can run it
[13:00] <R13ose> auronandace: discover program
[13:00] <auronandace> R13ose: sorry, not familiar with that program. what is it, what does it do?
[13:01] <oerheks> motaka2, what guide did you follow? xmind is not in out repos
[13:03] <akik> motaka2: if you unzipped the xming zip, it'll be in that directory where you unzipped it
[13:03] <akik> xmind
[13:04] <R13ose> auronandace: updates like apt-get does
[13:05] <motaka2> akik: let me check
[13:06] <motaka2> akik: yes it was in 64 bit folder thanks a lot. Where is the usual place where we can put programs like this? now it is just in Downloads folder
[13:08] <akik> motaka2: /opt is a common dir
[13:08] <motaka2> akik: thanks
[13:11] <auronandace> R13ose: where did you install it from?
[13:20] <Aliekezhi> hi, it seems one of my kernel modules (wifi driver I guess ?) is crashing : https://bpaste.net/show/2e71ff362087
[13:20] <Aliekezhi> I can see a kind of loop with this error in dmesg
[13:21] <EugenA> anybody familiar with midi?
[13:21] <EugenA> I'd like to connect midi keyboard to pc and and play notes using loaded sound font
[13:21] <Aliekezhi> what worries me in that error is the mention of "CPU : ...". Can this problem be related to a deficiency of one of my CPUs ?
[13:23] <akik> EugenA: i use ubuntu mate and use the kxstudio repositories to install all the apps
[13:23] <EugenA> akik: which apps do I need to use midi keyboard?
[13:23] <akik> EugenA: it's a bit difficult to get started but i can help
[13:24] <akik> EugenA: there are many but i use ardour
[13:24] <R13ose> auronandace: discover is trying to install this for Firefox
[13:25] <EugenA> akik: hm, I'm looking for lightweight solution
[13:25] <akik> EugenA: there are also many guide videos on youtube you could learn from
[13:26] <akik> EugenA: others are lmms or soundgarden or qtractor
[13:26] <EugenA> akik: I don't need any recording functionality or something like that. Just use a soundfont to play notes live from the midi input
[13:26] <akik> EugenA: ok maybe just a virtual instrument host would do
[13:27] <EugenA> what is virtual instrument host?
[13:27] <akik> EugenA: i haven't tested this http://kxstudio.linuxaudio.org/Applications:Carla
[13:28] <auronandace> R13ose: where did you get discover from? is it a PPA?
[13:29] <auronandace> !info discover
[13:29] <EugenA> akik: looks interesting, I should check it
[13:31] <akik> EugenA: i tested carla just now and it works
[13:31] <akik> EugenA: but anyway you should install those kxstudio repositories. they give you lots of choice
[13:32] <EugenA> akik: i'll try ksstudio distro, thanks
[13:32] <EugenA> kxstudio
[13:32] <Sven_vB> Aliekezhi, I think the CPU number in front of the PID is just an indication on which CPU the program was running that had encountered the problem. I think it could have happend on any CPU.
[13:33] <akik> EugenA: the biggest thing for me to learn was how to make audio connections with the jack audio server
[13:34] <EugenA> akik: yes, I hope I'll manage this :-)
[13:36] <R13ose> !info plasma discover
[13:37] <auronandace> R13ose: you're using kde then?
[13:37] <R13ose> auronandace: this is by the plasma development team.  An application explorer
[13:37] <R13ose> auronandace: yes
[13:38] <auronandace> R13ose: do you remember adding any repos?
[13:39] <R13ose> auronandace: maybe long ago but unsure
[13:40] <auronandace> R13ose: can you pastebin your sources.list file?
[13:40] <oerheks> ls sources.list.d folder
[13:41] <oerheks> sure R13ose knows adding the plasma repo.. and knows howto paste an error log too
[13:41] <R13ose> Yes but I don't know how to find the error log
[13:44] <akik> $HOME/.xsessionrc seems to be not used when in a wayland session
[13:45] <akik> what could be the new location?
[13:45] <allure> weird conflict, guys.. cant install wine on 16.04.03
[13:46] <allure> with or without ppa
[13:46] <allure> any ideas?
[13:46] <allure> says I've held broken packages
[13:46] <leftyfb> allure: post the errors you get when you try to install wine (pastebin)
[13:47] <allure> leftyfb: https://pastebin.com/WifKfY66
[13:47] <allure> that's with the wine PPA added
[13:47] <allure> without is the same error, though
[13:47] <leftyfb> allure: start by removing the ppa, updating and posting to pastebin again
[13:50] <allure> leftyfb: new pastebin w/o ppa: https://pastebin.com/rwYz02x5
[13:50] <allure> oh wait
[13:50] <allure> I f'up cause of tmux
[13:50] <allure> sec, will remake the postebin
[13:51] <allure> here: https://pastebin.com/Ctfdhy1n
[13:52] <leftyfb> I feel like there's something missing
[13:52] <leftyfb> allure: can you install a different package?
[13:52] <allure> leftyfb: other than wine, yeah
[13:52] <leftyfb> allure: like nmap or byobu or something
[13:52] <alkisg> allure: apt install aptitude; aptitude install wine => paste output of that
[13:52] <allure> tested with vim and it installed
[13:52] <alkisg> apt sometimes is dumb...
[13:52] <leftyfb> allure: apt-cache policy wine
[13:53] <oerheks> odd error KBuildServiceFactory::populateServiceTypes: "/usr/share/applications/display-im6.des
[13:53] <allure> https://pastebin.com/ht6fgHD3
[13:53] <allure> leftyfb: candidate is 1.6.2-0ubuntu14, none installed :)
[13:54] <leftyfb> allure: can you paste the entire output to pastebin?
[13:54] <alkisg> The problem isn't in wine but in its dependencies
[13:54] <leftyfb> oh, nm
[13:54] <alkisg> apt unfortunately doesn't notify us of them
[13:54] <allure> I did, its above my message
[13:54] <leftyfb> I'm going to go with the repo
[13:54] <allure> the message before
[13:54] <leftyfb> allure: can you temporarily change your ubuntu repo's to the official?
[13:54] <allure> I tried now with aptitude and the solution it proposes would remove 992 packages :-p
[13:54] <alkisg> allure: it has many solutions
[13:55] <allure> leftyfb: I thought it was the official.... :p lemme check
[13:55] <alkisg> Say "I don't accept that one"
[13:55] <alkisg> allure: and in the beginning it tells you which packages are causing the issue
[13:55] <allure> alkisg: ah yeah, nice.. I will try another
[13:55] <leftyfb> allure: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[13:55] <alkisg> So, pastebin the output of aptitude after saying "no I don't accept" a couple of times
[13:55] <leftyfb> try that one
[13:56] <oerheks> ftp.nluug.nl is pretty up2date
[13:56] <alkisg> allure: the important thing to note is which packages are causing the issue
[13:56] <alkisg> allure: once you know them, you can even continue with apt...
[13:56] <leftyfb> oerheks: That doesn't mean it's not having some issue at the moment
[13:56] <oerheks> the error look s like he installed some appimage? https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=309&t=139866
[13:58] <linux_user> Has anyone attempted to assert the installation of Ubuntu 17.10 under VirtualBox 5.2 using LVM and Encryption? It seems to fail before it starts. I am interested if anyone has seen this and can offer corrective action in pursuance of effectuating a proper installation in this manner?
[14:00] <allure> I generated another sources.list and I am trying again :-)
[14:00] <leftyfb> linux_user: please use pastebin to share the errors you are getting
[14:00] <alkisg> allure: in the meantime, pastebin your `dpkg -l '*wine*' | grep ^ii`
[14:00] <linux_user> leftyfb: can I paste a screenshot to pastebin? as it seems I cannot copy the text of it
[14:00] <alkisg> ...until you can paste  the output of aptitude :)
[14:01] <alkisg> !paste
[14:02] <allure> alkisg: https://paste.ubuntu.com/25823671/
[14:02] <alkisg> allure: so you already have wine
[14:02] <alkisg> wine-development...
[14:03] <allure> I tried installing wine-development to see if it worked, but it wont work as well
[14:03] <allure> even though the pkg is installed, I  have no wine on the path
[14:03] <alkisg> And aptitude will tell you that if you want to install wine,it will pull wine1.6, which will conflict with some packages that wine-development needs, so you'd need to uninstall wine-development and its dependencies
[14:04] <alkisg> wine-development goes in /opt
[14:04] <oerheks> as it is not a regular package, ask the wine ppa maintainer?
[14:04] <alkisg> $ ls -lha /usr/bin/wine
[14:04] <alkisg> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 26 Οκτ  21 00:03 /usr/bin/wine -> /opt/wine-staging/bin/wine
[14:04] <alkisg> E.g. I have wine-staging
[14:04] <allure> alkisg: makes sense. Will uninstall it and try to install 1.6
[14:04] <alkisg> allure: when you uninstall a package, its dependencies may not get uninstalled
[14:05] <allure> alkisg: really? :p I'm used to arch linux, man
[14:05] <alkisg> So that might not solve the issue. Try it. But the best way is to let aptitude tell you the exact packages that conflict
[14:05] <allure> alkisg: ubuntu was supposed to be easier :-p
[14:05] <linux_user> leftyfb: Can you advise me how I put a picture into pastebin?
[14:05] <allure> !screenshot
[14:05] <linux_user> ok
[14:05] <auronandace> wouldn't it be better to install playonlinux? then you can have whatever version of wine you like (all in their own separate directories too if you so desire)
[14:06] <linux_user> https://imgur.com/a/qwiUs
[14:06] <alkisg> Sure playonlinux also works fine
[14:07] <linux_user> https://imgur.com/a/qwiUs <- this occurred when trying to do a 17.10 install under VB 5.2 (running under 17.10) with all downloads and drivers allowed and an encrypted LVM install requested.
[14:07] <leftyfb> linux_user: Looks like you have an issue with either the install media or the virtual drive you're installing to. Potentially even the physical drive the virtual drive is on.
[14:08] <Sven_vB> I'm trying to install ubuntu xenial from my USB live disk. it worked fine on two machines, but on the current one, the Unity session restarts every few minutes. any ideas on how to debug it? https://gist.github.com/mk-pmb/a820d41822e03eb76f3862fbf47a7932
[14:09] <Smilex> How can I see which version of libpthread is installed on Ubuntu?
[14:09] <leftyfb> Smilex: apt-cache policy libpthread
[14:09] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: possible video driver issues?
[14:10] <alkisg> Sven_vB: check `dmesg` and `cat /var/log/Xorg.*.log.old`
[14:10] <Sven_vB> leftyfb, will do
[14:10] <kostkon> Sven_vB, goes back to the login screen?
[14:11] <linux_user> I hope my picture was viewable to those reviewing it
[14:11] <Sven_vB> kostkon, no, I have configured lightdm to login user ubuntu after about 3 sec
[14:11] <Sven_vB> kostkon, well actually "yes" but just for those 3 sec. :)
[14:11] <leftyfb> linux_user: Looks like you have an issue with either the install media or the virtual drive you're installing to. Potentially even the physical drive the virtual drive is on.
[14:11] <kostkon> Sven_vB, yeah ok
[14:14] <Sven_vB> dmesg shows some nouveau errors. they're also in syslog so I've included them in my syslog excerpt for better timing overview: https://gist.github.com/mk-pmb/a820d41822e03eb76f3862fbf47a7932
[14:15] <linux_user> leftyfb: I was able to install other OSes (CentOS, 16.04 Ubuntu, etc...) absent any issue with the physical drive (I even tried an external drive also). Moreover, I did an md5 and sha1 check on the ISO, it is not an issue as far as I can tell.
[14:16] <Sven_vB> notably I can't see nouveau errors near the "Started Session 13 of user ubuntu." message
[14:16] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: try installing nvidia drivers
[14:17] <Sven_vB> leftyfb, will try
[14:17] <Sven_vB> leftyfb, however, I'd like to minimize modifications to my live disk; is there a safe graphics mode I could use instead?
[14:17] <linux_user> leftyfb: I am doing a "check disc for defects" right now
[14:18] <leftyfb> linux_user: you could look in dmesg
[14:18] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: maybe try without Unity? I'm not familiar with Unity enough to be aware of any "safe graphics mode"
[14:19] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: if you're going to be only running this from a live usb, I would think you'd want a more resource efficient DE than Unity anyway
[14:21] <Sven_vB> leftyfb, nah, I'm trying to install to disk, but for that to succeed, the live session needs to survive for about 90 min. once it reboots from disk I can delegate dealing with drivers to puppet.
[14:22] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: the live usb should give you the option to just install without running the live environment
[14:22] <leftyfb> that wouldn't run Unity at all and just the installer
[14:22] <linux_user> leftyfb: I do not see a way to get into looking at dmsg, but the defect said 1 file was messed up (didn't say which), so I am redownloading via torrent the ISO
[14:22] <leftyfb> linux_user: dmesg on your host
[14:24] <Sven_vB> leftyfb, that's good to know. I'll try whether I can find a safe mode for unity (I remember there was unity 2D some years ago) becuase then I can delegate answering ubiquity's questions to my auto-installer.
[14:24] <linux_user> oh ok
[14:24] <linux_user> will do
[14:24] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: if you're using an automated installer, then why do you need Unity at all?
[14:26] <linux_user> leftyfb: interesting both the ISOs (sever and desktop I downloaded) had bad MD5s! I was sure (as usually I ALWAYS check MD5s) it was good, but, I am re-downloading and will recheck it with defect check when done. if MD5 is good and defect check is good, I'll retry the install. Thank you and I'll get back to you in a few minutes after all that activity is done.
[14:26] <Sven_vB> leftyfb, it's a custom automated installer that uses ubiquity's automated mode, because ubiquity has a very good chance of being reliable, well-tested and getting actual bugfixes. and its auto mode is about 80% auto so adding the remaining 20% was easy.
[14:26] <akik> .xsessionrc didn't work in wayland but i was able to add a startup job through gnome-session-properties
[14:27] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: Again, why bother running a live environment? You don't need it to run Ubiquity
[14:27] <Sven_vB> also the fallback mode is very easy: if the auto-installer runs into problems, it can just shout to me via network and I VNC in.
[14:28] <Sven_vB> leftyfb, basically I've never tried without the live environment. I'll check what it is though.
[14:30] <allure> alkisg: it works, man
[14:30] <allure> sorry I took long, was on a call :-)
[14:30] <allure> I have to go to the dentist now... bad pain :-/
[14:30] <allure> thank you once again
[14:31] <fChanX> :/
[14:33] <linux_user> leftyfb: ok, got a new desktop ISO and it passed defect check and MD5 and SHA1! re-attempting the install now
[14:33] <Sven_vB> leftyfb, ok I rebooted in "Install Ubuntu" mode, and am now at the fully interactive ubiquity which asks for my favorite language. how do I modify that mode to run my install wizard first, so it can identify the machine, generate a debconf seed file and preseed that?
[14:33] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: I don't know. I've never customized Ubiquity. I typically use a kickstart script.
[14:34] <Sven_vB> leftyfb, ok. in a first step I'll just let it sit around and wait how long the session survives. :))
[14:35]  * linux_user leftyfb: Using a proper ISO seems to be working better! :)
[14:36] <alkisg> allure, np
[14:49] <bobschemlab_> hello i'm in windows 10 and i have 150gb of unallocated space
[14:49] <bobschemlab_> how do I fix it so that C: takes up all of the unallocated space?
[14:49] <oerheks> bobschemlab_, format c: ?? better ask in ##windows
[14:49] <bobschemlab_> https://imgur.com/a/4IJDF
[14:50] <oerheks> no need to post, this is ubuntu support only
[14:50] <bobschemlab_> got it thanks
[14:51] <bobschemlab_> can i use gparted though
[14:51] <bobschemlab_> gparted is linux
[14:51] <leftyfb> yes, you can
[14:52] <oerheks> you should do that from within windows, alse windows will cry like a baby when it finds an altered partition
[14:52] <SwedeMike> bobschemlab_: how did you end up in this situation? Why is the EFI partition there smack in the middle?
[14:53] <bobschemlab_> I have no idea
[14:53] <bobschemlab_> i was trying to dual boot
[14:53] <bobschemlab_> ubuntu
[14:53] <bobschemlab_> but i fucked up the bcd so I had to fix all of it
[14:53] <SwedeMike> bobschemlab_: because you'd need to somehow move that EFI partition in order to grow C:
[14:53] <bobschemlab_> ahhhh
[14:53] <bobschemlab_> so situation is > move efi to right side > grow c
[14:53] <bobschemlab_> with gparted?
[14:54] <bobschemlab_> to be honest this is why I hate windows
[14:54] <SwedeMike> bobschemlab_: this is not window specific.
[14:54] <Sven_vB> my live session is in lockdown, probably because I killed ubiquity. how do I revert that lockdown?
[14:54] <bobschemlab_> so SwedeMike what's my best bet man
[14:54] <SwedeMike> bobschemlab_: I don't know what will happen if you move the EFI partition, but that's what you'd need to do
[14:54] <bobschemlab_> how do I move it?
[14:55] <iAmSlow> what to install to get flash for chromium
[14:56] <oerheks> SwedeMike +1  the outcome is uncertain, ask in ##windows
[14:56] <freakyy> what's a good way to send files on the local network? wasnt there some tool which allowed me to simply do that?
[14:56] <freakyy> send files over the lan?
[14:56] <bobschemlab_> windows bubs don't know anything that's why I cam here
[14:56] <bobschemlab_> besides, I'm using gparted, it should be supported
[14:57] <oerheks> bobschemlab_, not our business, really
[14:57] <SwedeMike> bobschemlab_: the EFI partition has nothing to do with Linux, so I have no idea what will happen.
[14:57] <SchrodingersScat> also backups
[14:57] <bobschemlab_> k but how do I move it with gparted is what i'm asking
[14:57] <bobschemlab_> not what will happen
[14:57] <SchrodingersScat> page closed, case closed
[14:57] <cristian_c> hi
[14:58] <oerheks> iAmSlow, install restricted extras for codecs and webplugins like flash
[14:58] <cristian_c> How could I switch to evdev, as input system, after installed?
[14:58] <cristian_c> Any ideas?
[14:58] <leftyfb> iAmSlow: install adobe-flashplugin as discussed on the first result on google for "ubuntu chromium flash"
[15:00] <pavlos> freakyy: using command line, you could remote copy (rcp) or remote sync (rsync). There is a gui app called nitroshare that seems to be easy to use.
[15:00]  * linux_user leftyfb: I did a full installation (error free) but then when it prompted me to enter the password it never put the "*" characters there as I typed and it just sat there acted dumb. I am reinstalling it
[15:00] <lyze> Hey all! I'm trying to automate some deb file downloads but the websites don't have a "latest" url (e.g. example.com/latest.deb) but only have a example.com/download page where they link to the newest file (e.g. example.com/1.2.deb). Is there a program I can use to script website things (get <a>, click,...)? (Kinda like selenium or sth like that)
[15:00] <iAmSlow> ty but i just downloaded form  adobe site and used flags
[15:00] <freakyy> ok thanks
[15:01] <SchrodingersScat> lyze: I don't even know how many ways that can probably be done. How are you already automating it?
[15:02] <wrksx> My system is kinda crashed, disks are not writable any more
[15:02] <SchrodingersScat> lyze: I personally like curl, so I would grab the example.com/download page's content and then do something similar to a grep -m 1 after you filter for the download links
[15:03] <lyze> SchrodingersScat, I have a script file which setups everything (adds repos, downloads files, updates and installs from apt, git and stuff). The only thing which isn't automated yet are manual downloads from programs like Vivaldi or discord which only provide a download page with a file<version>.deb
[15:04] <SchrodingersScat> lyze: ok, so bash?  what I just described above /can/ be risky since you never know if the site maintainer is going to change things in the future, but I use it for things like nextcloud.
[15:04] <lyze> SchrodingersScat Yeah in bash. And yeah sadly. I'd love to find a program where I can use xpath or so to get the proper link
[15:05] <SchrodingersScat> what is xpath?
[15:05] <linux_user> leftyfb: any ideas on why I cannot enter the encrypted disk password when it boots up?
[15:05] <SchrodingersScat> lyze: I use this line in my nextcloud script, iirc it grabs the zip because that was easier with how they had the site at one point, dllink=$(curl -s "https://nextcloud.com/install/" | sed -e 's/href=\"/\n/g' | grep -i "/releases/.*.zip" | sed -e 's/\">.*//g' | head -n 1)
[15:06] <lyze> SchrodingersScat oh nice, that could be doable o:
[15:07] <oerheks> discord comes as a snap
[15:07] <SchrodingersScat> lyze: yeah, each individual program would take you some time to narrow it down in the html, and lord help you if they do javascript nonesense, but it's doable, with the caveat about how they can change everything and make us cry.
[15:07] <leftyfb> lyze: wget $(curl -s https://vivaldi.com/download/ |grep amd64.deb|awk -F '"' '{print $4}')
[15:08] <rfleming> Greetings... Does anyone smarter than I know how to make Firefox not make form fields dark, when using a dark theme?
[15:08] <rfleming> (in gnome)
[15:08] <lyze> SchrodingersScat yeah js is the bane of my existence already. :p But using grep n co for that would be doable I think. Thanks!
[15:08] <lyze> leftyfb oh sweet.
[15:09] <wrksx> I'm kinda stuck everytime I enter a command I have an Input/Output error
[15:09] <SchrodingersScat> lyze: and bash testing can help, so for example, you can use 'if' statements with programs as the conditional statement, if wget $(curl -s https://vivaldi.com/download/ |grep amd64.deb|awk -F '"' '{print $4}') ; then echo "Success!"  ; else ; echo "Failure! Pausing for intervention" ; read nothing ; fi
[15:10] <wrksx> I think something failed, maybe the disk
[15:10] <ducasse> wrksx: sounds like disk problems
[15:10] <wrksx> Filesystem is not writable anymore
[15:10] <wrksx> ducasse: is there anyway to see a log or trace from memory ?
[15:10] <leftyfb> wrksx: sounds like your drive is bad. Get a new drive, reinstall Ubuntu and restore from backup.
[15:10] <ZenThief> I'm learning Ansible and remotely created a non-root user on ubuntu. I see examples deleting root password afterwards. Why would I want to do this?
[15:10] <linux_user> using a remote display access to the VM did not let me enter the password either! It is stuck waiting for the encryption password to get any further!?!
[15:11] <ducasse> wrksx: dmesg
[15:11] <SchrodingersScat> lyze: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FullBashGuide#Introduction
[15:11] <leftyfb> wrksx: read-only and disk i/o errors means bad drive. Nothing for you to do other than reinstall on a new drive and restore from backup
[15:11] <wrksx> ducasse: unfortunatly: -bash: /bin/dmesg: Input/output error
[15:11] <ducasse> wrksx: and leftyfb is entirely right - new disk, restore
[15:11] <wrksx> ducasse: issue is that's a server and the hoster is a PITA
[15:12] <leftyfb> wrksx: there's nothing else for you to do
[15:12] <leftyfb> there is no fixing a bad drive ... not without spending 10's of thousands of dollars
[15:12] <wrksx> leftyfb: okay, but is there a way to "prove" a disk is toasted ?
[15:12] <leftyfb> there's certainly no fixing a bad drive remotely with softeare
[15:12] <leftyfb> wrksx: yes
[15:12] <leftyfb> wrksx> ducasse: unfortunatly: -bash: /bin/dmesg: Input/output error
[15:13] <wrksx> leftyfb: okay I'll give a call to the hoster, fingers x
[15:13] <leftyfb> also, at this point, this is 100% your hoster's problem and there's absolutely nothing left for you to do
[15:13] <SchrodingersScat> ZenThief: I can't think of any reasons, may be a question for whoever wrote the examples?   At least not in that order, of creating a non-root then deleting root password.  If you used key based authentication then that would be one possible reason you wouldn't want a password hanging around, but I'm simply hypothesizing.
[15:13] <wrksx> leftyfb: I'd need to backup
[15:13] <wrksx> leftyfb: and restore after the disk change
[15:13] <OtterCoder> Hi all! I'm wondering how to write a file as a user with no login. I need to create files and directories as www-data, but it's a pain chmodding them afterwards.
[15:14] <leftyfb> wrksx: something you should have been doing all along, or else the data was never important to begin with
[15:14] <oerheks> OtterCoder, standard would be: make the user member of www-data
[15:14] <ducasse> wrksx: if you haven't backed up already it's too late now
[15:15] <wrksx> leftyfb: I got backups, but not one from today, and even tho it was concidered okay to loose a few days of data it's better to avoid it when possible
[15:15] <OtterCoder> oerheks: Pardon? My primary user is a member of the www-data group, but files I create are still mainuser:mainuser
[15:17] <nacc> OtterCoder: chmod is the wrong command to use
[15:17] <nacc> OtterCoder: did you mean chgrp?
[15:17] <OtterCoder> nacc: sorry, chown.
[15:17] <ducasse> wrksx: get the disk sent to you and try to recover data from it
[15:18] <ducasse> !recover
[15:18] <ZenThief> SchrodingersScat: Yes in between there's key based authentication.
[15:18] <nacc> OtterCoder: you can still sudo to www-data, iirc, as root, even though you can't login as it
[15:19] <wrksx> ducasse: I'll try to investigate a bit more, because there was some raid goin on on the server
[15:19] <wrksx> ducasse: so I need to check what raid and why it didn't help
[15:19] <OtterCoder> nacc: `sudo su www-data` returns This account is currently not available.
[15:19] <ikonia> OtterCoder: you should never run that command
[15:20] <OtterCoder> ikonia: So what should I do?
[15:21] <nacc> OtterCoder: sudo su is not correct
[15:22] <jstevewhite> "su" = switch user, "sudo" == super user do something
[15:23] <nacc> jstevewhite: not quite
[15:23] <nacc> jstevewhite: sudo is do somethign as another user as well, but via your users password
[15:23] <nacc> jstevewhite: based upon sudoers
[15:23] <OtterCoder> nacc: Then what is the proper way? You're being cryptic.
[15:24] <jstevewhite> fair enough, but: "It originally stood for "superuser do" as the older versions of sudo were designed to run commands only as the superuser."
[15:24] <nacc> OtterCoder: sudo -s -H -u www-data, I believe should work
[15:24] <nacc> jstevewhite: yeah :)
[15:24] <nacc> jstevewhite: so sudo == switch user do something
[15:24] <jstevewhite> "by default" the superuser >:)
[15:24] <jstevewhite> heheh
[15:24] <jstevewhite> but yeah, you're right.
[15:25] <jstevewhite> "technically" right. Which is the only kinda right that counts here, eh?
[15:25] <nacc> jstevewhite: heh
[15:26] <OtterCoder> nacc: Ah! So, switch-user-do with default shell, change Home, select www-data user.
[15:28] <nacc> OtterCoder: yeah
[15:29] <nacc> OtterCoder: it ensures you really "are" that user, with the right eviroment (which might includ important bits like umask)
[15:29] <OtterCoder> nacc: Thanks much. That makes my life much nicer.
[15:30] <nacc> OtterCoder: np, it worked for you?
[15:31] <OtterCoder> nacc: Like a charm. :)
[15:36] <SchrodingersScat> ZenThief: ah, k, keys are safer, I don't delete things though >_>
[15:40] <plujon> http://ix.io/BMy # uhoh..
[15:40] <plujon> sudo apt-get update shows unmet dependencies, but the list of packages seems to be empty..?
[15:41] <plujon> oops, the problem is with `sudo apt-get dist-upgrade` (not update)
[15:42] <nacc> plujon: your output looks odd
[15:42] <nacc> plujon: are you filtering out stderr or something?
[15:42] <plujon> nacc: No, but this happened recently:
[15:43] <Richard_Cavell> When I go stat test.cpp, I get an access time, a modification time, and a change time.  Is creation time recorded?
[15:44] <nacc> Richard_Cavell: i don't believe creation time is a stat field generally, `stat` has a 'time of file birth'
[15:45] <Richard_Cavell> nacc: Yes, it does
[15:45] <Richard_Cavell> But does the ubuntu disk format record that?  I just get a -
[15:45] <nacc> Richard_Cavell: it's completely dependent on the fs, it's not generally available, afaict
[15:46] <plujon> http://ix.io/BMA
[15:47] <nacc> plujon: it's best not to filter output ... harder to help. But it looks like dpkg died due to memory issues; not sure what's goig on
[15:47] <plujon> nacc: dpkg died because the machine has 512 MB.  I stopped apache and it then could run as normal.
[15:48] <plujon> (512 MB of RAM)
[15:52] <plujon> http://ix.io/BMD # the full log
[15:54] <oerheks> too much old kernels: Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove them.
[15:54] <nacc> plujon: and if you run `sudo apt-get -s -f install` what does it try to fix?
[15:54] <nacc> plujon: yeah this does seem like a sort of unmaintainend system
[15:57] <plujon> nacc: refresh http://ix.io/BMD
[15:59] <nacc> plujon: seems like you can drop the -s, it's just finishing the isntall of the packages that didn't install
[15:59] <plujon> Thanks; I'll forge ahead with that.
[16:00] <nacc> plujon: i would suggest an apt-get autoremove at some point soon too
[16:00] <plujon> How come?
[16:00] <nacc> plujon: see the first part of your paste
[16:01] <nacc> plujon: you have 30-40 unused packages
[16:01] <nacc> plujon: much of them kernel-related
[16:01] <nacc> plujon: which means you're wastinng (probably) 100s of Ms of disk space
[16:03] <Thunder_Tw> nacc: plujon: about 1 gig of space at least i'd estimate That could solve a load of install problems. Recommended to do # sudo apt-get autoremove
[16:03] <pavlos> plujon: can you paste, free -m
[16:03] <nacc> Thunder_Tw: pavlos: to be clear, it's not obvious there are ay install problems
[16:04] <nacc> the one issue they hit was a memory constraint physically on their system
[16:04] <Unte36> HEllo all. HAve some probs after kernel update. A) After reboots I lost wifi connectivity. it works only wired. B ) my sysetm is a collage of languages,  before it was all English
[16:04] <Thunder_Tw> nacc: true but memory is extended with swap, witch is HD related too
[16:04] <nacc> Unte36: what version of ubuntu? if you boot back to the old kernel, do a) and b) go away?
[16:05] <nacc> Thunder_Tw: right, but swap is fixed, unaffected by running out of disk space
[16:05] <Thunder_Tw> not always, i've heard that you can also have a swap file
[16:05] <Thunder_Tw> not always a seperate partition
[16:06] <nacc> Thunder_Tw: i never said antyhing about partitions
[16:06] <nacc> Thunder_Tw: swap doesn't grow and shrink, it is reserved
[16:06] <nacc> Thunder_Tw: regardless of where the swap space comes from, it's unaffected by other disk usage
[16:06] <nacc> (in terms of its consumption, obviously IO is affected)
[16:06] <Thunder_Tw> true: for 14 and before by default, not if you go 16 and higher, a swap file can be disk-space affected
[16:07] <nacc> Thunder_Tw: what are you basing that on?
[16:07] <nacc> Thunder_Tw: swap files cannot be sparse, so they consume all their disk immediately
[16:08] <Unte36> Hello Nacc. Iḿ new to Ubuntu. I talked to this forum yestarday and they said it was the newest for 16.04 . No I have not boot back to boot kernel, before asking you guys. Last answer, no they are permanent
[16:08] <Unte36> Also I notice a lot of Mem consuption with this new version
[16:08] <Thunder_Tw> It is limited in size. so they can't consume all disk space
[16:08] <nacc> Thunder_Tw: i'm not sure what you're talking about nonw
[16:08] <lordcirth_work> Swap files needing to be contiguous and non-sparse is also the reason you can't make swap files on btrfs yet
[16:08] <plujon> sudo apt-get autoremove # available goes from 2.9G to 6.9G
[16:08] <nacc> plujon: :)
[16:09] <lordcirth_work> Thunder_Tw, swap files are a fixed size; they don't grow
[16:09] <lordcirth_work> You make a 4GB swap file, you turn it on, it stays 4GB regardless of how much is used
[16:09] <plujon> :) indeed
[16:09] <nacc> Unte36: i would try and boot back to the older kernel and see if the behavior is different, first
[16:09] <Thunder_Tw> Can be totaly true. I'm no expert but i thought it could grow however
[16:10] <lordcirth_work> Nope, to change the size you have to either add a second swap file, or disable swap, grow it, enable
[16:10] <nacc> Thunder_Tw: it cannot, as I said :)
[16:11] <Thunder_Tw> lordcirth_work:  if you can add a second swap file doesnt that mean it can grow?
[16:11] <Thunder_Tw> in general that is
[16:11] <Unte36> NACC . Most certainly, will do. Rollback to previous kernel. BTW is it possible to reinstall Kubuntu  with Xubuntu and preserve all my settings?
[16:11] <lordcirth_work> Thunder_Tw, the amount of total swap grows; not the file
[16:12] <superKiller> hello. I installed 17.10 a few days ago and im having this weird problem that my laptop's touchpad stops working after i wake it up from sleep mode
[16:12] <nacc> Thunder_Tw: your question is like "if i add more memory, do i have more memory?"
[16:12] <Thunder_Tw> Then a OS can dynamicly increase swap file if needed by adding more swap files
[16:12] <nacc> Thunder_Tw: no it can't. as in, it doesn't.
[16:12] <lordcirth_work> Thunder_Tw, in theory it could; but it does not.
[16:12] <nacc> Thunder_Tw: please do't speculate quite so wildly :)
[16:12] <nacc> superKiller: anything i dmesg when that happens?
[16:12] <lordcirth_work> You could make a script to detect swap getting full and make a new one - but how about getting enough RAM?
[16:13] <lordcirth_work> Alternatively, look into zram and zswap.
[16:13] <superKiller> nacc: sorry i didnt get you
[16:13] <nacc> superKiller: at one point on my laptop, i had to `sudo modprobe -r i2c_hid; sudo modprobe i2c_hid` on s&r to get my touchpad back
[16:13] <nacc> superKiller: when you wake up from sleep, run `dmesg` in a terminal
[16:13] <nacc> superKiller: see if there are any errors
[16:14] <superKiller> nacc: oh okay let me do that and get back
[16:15] <Unte36> NACC ??
[16:15] <smsunarto> heya guys! Congrats on making it to Google Code-In 2017 orgs :)
[16:15] <nacc> Thunder_Tw: lordcirth_work: at the same time, swap being full isn't itself a problem, it means you have a heavily loaded system (presumably overcommited at least in terms of memory) and the kernel is dtrt with the workload. There is no way to know policy as to "increase swap space" or not, because the intention is not knowable ahead of times.
[16:15] <nacc> Unte36: sorry, i missed your questio
[16:16] <nacc> Unte36: kubuntu and xubuntu use different configuratios, afaik; what settings do you mean?
[16:17] <Unte36> NACC I notice also a lot  of mem consumption. QUESTION: is it possible to install a lighter version for test on top say xubuntu  of my current install and preserve my settings and software????
[16:18] <Unte36> Software installed mostly I meant
[16:18] <Thunder_Tw> nacc: Out of memory casualy means new things wont execute. Full swap is a problem that way, no?
[16:18] <superKiller> nacc: this is the only message that i can see 'in red' . im new to linux tbh
[16:18] <superKiller> nacc: https://dpaste.de/m2i0
[16:19] <nacc> Unte36: software istalled yes; settings between xubuntu and kubunntu aren't shared generally (i think)
[16:20] <nacc> Unte36: you should be able to install somethig like 'xubuntu-desktop' and then logout and login to that session instead
[16:20] <muzo> hi people anyone know how to make a terminal translucent?
[16:20] <superKiller> nacc: your commands worked btw
[16:20] <Thunder_Tw> depends on the used terminal muzo
[16:21] <nacc> Thunder_Tw: it depends on how full, full is. Swap is not a permanent storage area, things get evicted to disk, etc. Things will execute in OOM, becuse the kernel OOM killer will kill consumptive processes.
[16:21] <Unte36> NACC So if Iḿ not rather pleased with the new version of Kubuntu. IT is possible to reinstall Xubuntu on top ? you think that it will make a difference as Ive said before. The system becomes really sluggish with the minimun overload
[16:21] <muzo> Thunder_Tw which terminals can be made translucent?
[16:21] <nacc> Thunder_Tw: this is sort of offtopic here, I guess read about kernel swap usage, or ask in #kernelnewbies on OFTC
[16:21] <nacc> superKiller: meaning when you ran the modprobe -r and modrobe, your touchpad came back?
[16:22] <nacc> Unte36: i don't know, tbh. YOu would have to try it an dsee
[16:22] <superKiller> nacc: yes
[16:22] <superKiller> nacc: what does this mean though ? is there a more permanent solution or do i have to do this everytime this happens ?
[16:22] <Unte36> NACC Superb. Thank you very much for your assistance. Will proceed now
[16:23] <nacc> superKiller: yeah, so something is wrong with the driver or hardware, may need a fix
[16:23] <nacc> superKiller: uname -r ?
[16:23] <nacc> superKiller: and which versino of ubuntu?
[16:23] <Thunder_Tw> thanks nacc, I'll refresh my stuff. Swap as i know it back in the days RAM was costly that swap (at least in M$ windows) could get full. And problems I've had that way...
[16:23] <superKiller> nacc: touchpad works fine on windows 10 which is dual booted.
[16:23] <superKiller> nacc: 17.10
[16:24] <superKiller> nacc: uname -r is : 4.13.0-16-generic
[16:24] <nacc> Thunder_Tw: afaik, swap on windows is rather different
[16:24] <nacc> superKiller: i'd file a bug with `ubuntu-bug linux` and describe your issue. Include the bit of dmesg you found that indicated an error and that the modprobe trick fixed it
[16:25] <skiboy> Has anyone else had the login loop issue with the latest 16.04 update?
[16:25] <superKiller> nacc: okay. thanks a lot for your help though!
[16:25] <nacc> superKiller: yw, for now you have the workaround at least :)
[16:25] <skiboy> It was borked until I removed the nvidia drivers
[16:26] <codelinx> Hi...Can anyone help me figure this out…. I outlined the issue and pasted the info in this -> https://paste.drhack.net/?02f4a2e0ad9e2e2e#Z0y+cK4Y5jeDcCbkzEuFs7oQxNyHgbvKzw0A8Se40Pc=
[16:27] <skiboy> I'm assuming that I'm not the only one
[16:28] <shadoxx> anyone in here running  MaaS?
[16:28] <leftyfb> shadoxx: we don't get many people here willing to take surveys
[16:28] <nacc> shadoxx: there is a maas channel iirc
[16:29] <shadoxx> Trying to figure out an issue where maas is starting dhcpd on the interface that has a static IP
[16:29] <Thunder_Tw> skiboy:  the last nvidia drivers(387.12) arent stable imho. I do not have login problems but games do crash that did run fine before the update
[16:29] <shadoxx> and the interface keeps sending out requests and loses its ip. even though it's configured properly in /etc/network/interfaces and doing an ifdown eno1; ifup eno1 reassigns the proper ip
[16:30] <shadoxx> i have to login to my ilo to manually run those commands though
[16:30] <nacc> shadoxx: better asked in #ubuntu-server or the maas channenl
[16:30] <skiboy> Thunder_Tw: I tried downgrading.  It still doesn't work until I remove the drivers.  I think it might be a kernel issue
[16:30] <shadoxx> nacc: will do, gracias
[16:30] <skiboy> or maybe bbswitch doesn't like the drivers
[16:31] <shadoxx> skiboy: can you paste your bbswitch configuration?
[16:32] <skiboy> shadoxx: just bumblebee.conf, right?
[16:33] <shadoxx> skiboy: correct
[16:33] <skiboy> shadoxx:https://paste.ubuntu.com/25824572/
[16:34] <skiboy> But here's the strange part, it works whether or not I point bumblebee to the correct module or not
[16:34] <shadoxx> skiboy: figured. lines 60-64
[16:34] <shadoxx> change your nvidia path.
[16:34] <shadoxx> nvidia-387 instead of nvidia-378
[16:34] <shadoxx> if you upgraded.
[16:35] <skiboy> No, it's correct.  I tried downgrading to 378
[16:35] <shadoxx> The bumblebee configuration in Ubuntu requires you to edit this file anytime you touch the nvidia versions.
[16:35] <shadoxx> Oh, gotcha
[16:35] <skiboy> I had to remove it though.  It still got stuck in a boot loop
[16:36] <shadoxx> Is it possible for you to drop to runlevel 3 then run gdm/lightdm manually?
[16:36] <shadoxx> You'd at least get output from whatever is causing it to crash in a terminal
[16:36] <skiboy> One thing I remember from syslog was "the fail whale has failed" when I tried to login
[16:36] <shadoxx> lol
[16:36] <skiboy> I can log in fine once I remove the nvidia packages
[16:37] <shadoxx> Usually I update the nvidia drivers, then I re-run the nvidia xconfig utility to regenerate my X11.conf file
[16:38] <shadoxx> I'm running 384 no problem on Ubuntu 16.04 with a Titan X. I'm also running 384 with an Ubuntu VM with a Quadro P2000 passedthrough to the VM
[16:38] <skiboy> shadoxx: https://paste.ubuntu.com/25824606/
[16:38] <Thunder_Tw> good old hardware
[16:38] <shadoxx> are you able to run 'nvidia-smi' once you do a driver update and reboot?
[16:39] <shadoxx> Graphics have been an issue on Linux for as far back as I can remember. :[
[16:39] <skiboy> nvidia is the only thing that has ever crashed my system, no joke.
[16:39] <skiboy> what does nvidia-smi do?
[16:40] <vijaikumar> skiboy: sew that on a pillow --> "nvidia is the only thing that has ever crashed my system"
[16:40] <vijaikumar> :P
[16:40] <shadoxx> skiboy: nvidia-smi just gives you runtime information on the graphics card. kind of like top, but for the gpu
[16:41] <shadoxx> skiboy: if that runs correctly and gives you output, it lets you know that at least your drivers are compiled correctly
[16:41] <shadoxx> skiboy: personally, I just install the nvidia cuda repository and then do `apt install cuda`. It's ~4GB, but it configures everything properly AND gives you fun things like nvenc and cuda support out of the box
[16:42] <shadoxx> that requires me to do 'apt purge nvidia-*' first though and reboot
[16:43] <skiboy> So it was running fine until I noticed that my battery was awfully low.  Then I noticed the driver had been updated, and was running instead of being loaded by bbswitch, so I updated the blacklists and bumblebee.conf, and rebooted my system.  Then it got stuck in the login loop.  Tried the most up-to-date PPAs and even tried downgrading.  No dice.
[16:43] <skiboy> login loop unless I just remove nvidia packages now
[16:44] <linux_user> leftyfb: you still there?
[16:45] <skiboy> Of course, all of this could be avoided if Nvidia just made their drivers GPL and merged into the mainline kernel.
[16:45] <skiboy> But that would require some level of sanity
[16:45] <jamisnemo> skiboy, I ran into a login loop issues just last night. stayed up till 4am trying to fix it
[16:45] <jamisnemo> But I can't get the damn thing to login if I remove the nvidia drivers.
[16:46]  * linux_user I installed Ubuntu 17.10 into a VirtualBox 5.2 VM with encryption & LVM. When it boots up I see the prompt to enter the password, and even when I click in the VMs window, no matter what I type the VM does not receive the characters, any ideas on that??
[16:46] <skiboy> jamisnemo: So it's the opposite issue of mine?
[16:46] <jamisnemo> lightdm yells something about dkms not working right. What kernel are you running?
[16:46] <TJ-> skiboy: are you sure it isn't the old problem of 'root owns the $HOME/.Xauthority" file?
[16:46] <skiboy> 4.4.0-97-generic with livepatching enabled
[16:46] <shadoxx> jamisnemo: sounds like the dkms compiliation step is failing. :]
[16:46] <skiboy> TJ-: already checked that
[16:47] <jamisnemo> shadoxx, but it isn't throwing an error
[16:47] <TJ-> skiboy: so what are the Xorg logs showing ?
[16:47] <jamisnemo> and I checked the .Xauthority permissions as well
[16:47] <skiboy> lemme check
[16:47] <shadoxx> jamisnemo: aren't you in some local channels that i'm in. your nick is familiar
[16:47] <jamisnemo> and I'm 4.10.0.-35-generic soooo :/
[16:47] <jamisnemo> shadoxx, yup :D
[16:47] <shadoxx> i'm pretty sure ive met you in person lol
[16:47] <jamisnemo> lol yup
[16:48] <shadoxx> jamisnemo: if you ever need in person help with ubuntu stuff, always feel free to hit me up
[16:48] <jamisnemo> Right. So the PPA drivers should be working...
[16:49] <jamisnemo> shadoxx, haha yeah, usually I'm okay. I agree that nvidia needs to just play ball a bit better
[16:49] <shadoxx> :D
[16:49] <k12> Apparently Ubuntu Server 17.10 is out. But when I run do-release-upgrade, the output said No new release found. Is there a waiting period before I can use that command?
[16:50] <skiboy> I'm not seeing anything particularly interesting in xorg logs
[16:51] <skiboy> all of the new nvidia drivers want to install some xorg-server-legacy package.  Don't know what that's all about
[16:51] <TJ-> skiboy: which ubuntu release is it? if it's before 17.10 then check /var/log/lightdm/ logs too
[16:51] <TJ-> skiboy: especially the references where the greeter hands over to the user sessions
[16:52] <jamisnemo> skiboy, what laptop are you running?
[16:52] <jamisnemo> and gpu
[16:53] <nacc> k12: what version of ubuntu are you on?
[16:53] <k12> 16.04 apparently. Is that why?
[16:54] <Thunder_Tw> k12: you may want to state o
[16:54] <nacc> k12: well, you wouldn't go 16.04 -> 17.10 ayways
[16:54] <skiboy> I'm on an Alienware 14.  Let me check the GPU
[16:54] <nacc> k12: it would be 16.04 -> 17.04 -> 17.10
[16:54] <nacc> k12: but also why do you want to go off of the LTS?
[16:54] <skiboy> GeForce GT 750M
[16:54] <jamisnemo> Man, apt has been yelling at me for a while now about being unable to create new files like: /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-extra-4.4.0-97-generic_4.4.0-97.120_amd64.deb     because Operation not permitted..... even though I'm root.
[16:54] <Thunder_Tw> k12:  You should change settings to not prefer LTS first
[16:54] <jamisnemo> skiboy, Okay good to know
[16:55] <k12> Ahh, I see.
[16:55] <k12> thx
[16:55] <jamisnemo> lenovoa ideapad 700, GTX 950m
[16:55] <fChanX> What is LTS for? Why do people use it?
[16:55] <TJ-> jamisnemo: is /var/ on a separate file-system, has it remounted read-only due to file-system errors?
[16:56] <lordcirth_work> nacc, well, IMHO, if your swap is regularly full you need more RAM.
[16:56]  * linux_user I installed Ubuntu 17.10 into a VirtualBox 5.2 VM with encryption & LVM. When it boots up I see the prompt to enter the password, and even when I click in the VMs window, no matter what I type the VM does not receive the characters, any ideas on that??
[16:56] <skiboy> fChanX: LTS is for people that don't like things breaking
[16:56] <Thunder_Tw> fChanX:  TLS is short for Long Term Stable, it's to ensure you not to get unstable packages, bugs crashes
[16:57] <jamisnemo> TJ-, no, but it is on an "nvme" drive that's running disk encryption (if that matters)
[16:57] <jamisnemo> Sometimes it works just fine if I just run the command again
[16:57] <nacc> lordcirth_work: right, overcommitted
[16:57] <skiboy> Ironically, I'm having this issue on an LTS release
[16:57] <fChanX> Would the LTS version be more stable maybe?  I haven't really paid attention to LTS vs not. Because I am a bit of an idiot sometimes. :p
[16:57] <TJ-> jamisnemo: it shouldn't make any difference. I wonder if you've got a broken apparmor profile? check /var/log/auth.log
[16:57] <lordcirth_work> muzo, in gnome-terminal, right click, profiles, profile preferences, colors, use transparent background
[16:58] <jamisnemo> TJ-, ahh don't know about that. I'll check it now
[16:58] <MatejMecka> Hello?
[16:58] <MatejMecka> I'm a GCI Student from Macedonia
[16:58] <fChanX> I meant 'more secure' sorry.
[16:58] <MatejMecka> And i'm interested more about ubuntu
[16:58] <fChanX> Not 'more stable'.
[16:58] <TJ-> jamisnemo: if you can run the command that gives the error and pastebinit that'd be really helpful
[16:58] <nacc> fChanX: security support is the same for all current releases
[16:59] <jamisnemo> TJ-, well I can try. it's literally: apt install linux-generic
[16:59] <fChanX> Thank you nacc.
[16:59] <jamisnemo> lol
[16:59] <lordcirth_work> MatejMecka, this is the Ubuntu support channel, welcome.  Did you have a specific question?
[16:59] <nacc> jamisnemo: apt isntall won't try ad create a .deb file, afaik
[16:59] <fChanX> Does anyone else still type 'apt-get install'? :p
[16:59] <TJ-> jamisnemo: right, but us seeing the exact error messages helps us pinpoint where in the apt code that is generated, and therefore maybe what the cause might be
[16:59] <nacc> fChanX: yes, it's fine to do so
[17:00] <MatejMecka> lordcirth_work: Any GCI channels
[17:00] <jamisnemo> TJ-, ah right okay. Is there a way to get apt to be more verbose with it's output?
[17:00] <lordcirth_work> MatejMecka, GCI?
[17:00] <MatejMecka> lordcirth_work: Google Code In
[17:01] <lordcirth_work> !alis | MatejMecka
[17:02] <TJ-> jamisnemo: try "sudo apt -o Debug::RunScripts ..."
[17:02] <jamisnemo> TJ-, It looks like it's working just fine this time. No errors in auth that I can directly correlate with apt. Ah! Thanks i'll try that
[17:03] <TJ-> jamisnemo: "man apt.conf" will show many other possible Debug:: options that could help identify the cause
[17:03] <jamisnemo> omg duh :facepalm:
[17:04] <TJ-> jamisnemo: forgot the 'sudo' ?
[17:04] <jamisnemo> no, I'm running it as root :D
[17:05] <jamisnemo> Just didn't think to go through the list of SEE ALSO in man
[17:05] <jamisnemo> lol
[17:05] <jamisnemo> apt is the one part of deb/ubuntu I haven't fully wrapped my head around yet
[17:05] <jamisnemo> thought I knew it.
[17:05] <skiboy> I'm pretty sure that my kernel and the nvidia drivers are incompatible
[17:05] <TJ-> jamisnemo: it's a hideous beast under the nice fluffy exterior :)
[17:07] <skiboy> I'm going to pass out now.  I'll take another crack at this later
[17:07] <jamisnemo> skiboy, I just installed 4.4.0-97-generic and my machine booted with nvidia-384 (384.90)
[17:07] <skiboy> jamisnemo: are you using bumblebee?
[17:08] <oerheks> bumblebee is old, prime is current now
[17:08] <baxx> if I'm installing tkinter does that get installed as sudo?
[17:08] <cpined> hello, after upgrading from 17.04 to 17.10 I keep getting "recovering journal" although I am able to ssh to that PC
[17:09] <jamisnemo> skiboy, looks like it but I can't honestly tell.
[17:09] <jamisnemo> skiboy, oerheks, I'm not using the graphics PPA....
[17:09] <jamisnemo> So I'm using the ubuntu nvidia-384.... does that install bumblebee?
[17:09] <skiboy> What are the advantages of prime over bumblebee
[17:10] <oerheks> we support prime.
[17:11] <jamisnemo> oerheks, is there a quick way to know which I'm currently using?
[17:12] <skiboy> Do you still have to log out and log back in to switch cards?
[17:14] <hdost> So quick help question, I know that there are a lot of package delays with all the changes going out from Ubuntu 17.10. I guess my question is how can I check how out of date security.ubuntu.com is?
[17:14] <Unte36> Hello all. Still with various languages in my system.
[17:14] <hdost> I know all the mirrors are https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[17:14] <alkisg> Unte36: what does that mean, you want to remove some languages?
[17:14] <hdost> but I can't seem to find security.ubuntu.com, any help is appreciated :)
[17:15] <cpined> any idea what "recovering journal" means when powering up Ubuntu?  This started happening as soon as I upgraded to 17.10
[17:15] <alkisg> cpined: it means your pc didn't shut down properly
[17:16] <lordcirth_work> cpined, that's your ext4 filesystem mounting /, probably, and finding incomplete transactions in the journal
[17:16] <lordcirth_work> The journal is specifically for recovering from hard poweroffs, so it shouldn't be a problem, but don't do that.
[17:17]  * linux_user I installed Ubuntu 17.10 into a VirtualBox 5.2 VM with encryption & LVM. When it boots up I see the prompt to enter the password, and even when I click in the VMs window, no matter what I type the VM does not receive the characters, any ideas on that??
[17:17] <cpined> lordcirth_work: How can I fix this?  I'm not able to get to the desktop although I can ssh to it.
[17:17] <lordcirth_work> linux_user, most command line password prompts show nothing when you type
[17:18] <Unte36> ALKISG After kernel update. Problems: A) WIFI connection needs to be set up to aireplane and then re enable it for that it works. B) I got porgams in one language and file manager on a different one
[17:18] <lordcirth_work> cpined, there's nothing to fix, "recovering journal" means it fixed it, just shut down properly in future
[17:18] <Unte36> c ) lost my documents
[17:18] <lordcirth_work> linux_user, just type and hit enter, it should work
[17:19] <cpined> lordcirth_work: but I can't get to Unity..so I don't know what to do now.
[17:19] <lordcirth_work> cpined, is it just hanging at 'recovering journal'?
[17:20] <fChanX> lordcirth_work: what would the improper shutdown do? Lead to some loss or break the system? :o
[17:20] <lordcirth_work> fChanX, it shouldn't, ext4 has features like journalling specifically to handle that, but you still shouldn't do t
[17:20] <linux_user> lordcirth_work: Oh my gosh you missed the point...that is PRECISELY what does NOT WORK.
[17:20] <bumbar_> i've just upgraded to 17.10 (asa vbox guest), and resizing windows (minimize, maximize) laggs the system completely. would that be ubuntu or virtual box issue?
[17:20] <linux_user> lordcirth_work: But thank you for letting me know "it should work"
[17:21] <lordcirth_work> linux_user, is this a graphical or command line prompt
[17:21] <cpined> lordcirth_work: yes it just hangs...during upgrade to 17.10 I was browsing MuseScore and attempted to play a file then the PC froze after that I can't recover, although I can ssh.
[17:21] <linux_user> lordcirth_work: GUI
[17:21] <lordcirth_work> linux_user, ok, so reboot, hold shift to get a grub menu, press e to edit the boot entry, go down to line starting with 'linux' and delete 'quiet splash' then boot with F10
[17:22] <linux_user> lordcirth_work: that will boot into GUI mode?
[17:22] <Unte36> alkisg??????
[17:23] <lordcirth_work> linux_user, no, it will boot without the graphical splashscreen, so that you will get a command line password prompt instead of the GUI one, which hopefully will work
[17:23] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> Was there a spam outbreak on this server?
[17:23] <Thunder_Tw> Ruff_Wizard[m]:  yesterday there where a few
[17:23] <lordcirth_work> Ruff_Wizard[m], yesterday there was some spam here.  offtopic, tho
[17:24] <linux_user> lordcirth_work: it does NOT work, it just gives me a blank graphical screen. What did work was booting into recovery mode (it prompted via text for the encryption password, and when entered it booted textually into recovery mode fine)
[17:24] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> Okay, cool. I still don't understand why people do it.
[17:25] <lordcirth_work> linux_user, ok, and if you choose 'resume' from recovery, does it work?
[17:25] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> Up till now I thought that #freenode was the main place that it happened but sadly it seems that that's not the only place.
[17:25] <Thunder_Tw> !ot | Ruff_Wizard[m]
[17:25] <linux_user> lordcirth_work: let me try that - be right back
[17:25] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> sigh
[17:26] <Ruff_Wizard[m]> ok
[17:27] <linux_user> lordcirth_work: Ok, so what I did was boot into recovery mode (I had to enter the password textually), then went and selected resume, it continued into the GUI mode. So, now what might you think the issue is?
[17:28] <lordcirth_work> linux_user, so, in the past there's sometimes been bugs with plymouth (the graphical splashscreen during boot) not handling encryption prompts well
[17:28] <lordcirth_work> linux_user, but did you say that editing the grub entry didn't help?
[17:32] <TJ-> linux_user: lordcirth_work I've witnessed that in the past. It turned out to be caused by the vt_handoff= missing, and the input was going to a different tty than plymouth was waiting for input on
[17:32] <linux_user> lordcirth_work: removing 'quiet splash' did not do anything except prevent the password prompt from showing up.
[17:33] <linux_user> what should vt_handoff= TJ?
[17:33] <lordcirth_work> TJ-, linux_user well that's interesting, in 14.04 I fixed this same problem just by removing 'quiet splash' which I do anyway because plymouth is boring
[17:34] <TJ-> linux_user: Usually, the kernel command-line has vt_handoff=7 I think it is? Can someone check who has it, I don't have a system handy right now to check
[17:35] <ducasse> TJ-: on artful? 7 here.
[17:35] <TJ-> ducasse: thanks for confirming that.
[17:35] <TJ-> linux_user: if the system is currently booted, what does "cat /proc/cmdline" report?
[17:36] <TJ-> ducasse: I couldn't remember if it was "=tty7" or "=7" :)
[17:38] <ducasse> vt.handoff=7
[17:38] <TJ-> aha
[17:39] <linux_user> ok
[17:39] <linux_user> let me boot it up and see what /proc/commandline says
[17:39] <linux_user> but
[17:39] <linux_user> right now it just says "$vt_handoff"
[17:39] <TJ-> linux_user: that's the GRUB variable in the config. That get's replaced at boot-time
[17:40] <alkisg> Unte36: which ubuntu version is that? E.g. 16.04 with unity?
[17:40] <TJ-> linux_user: We're trying to determine if this plymouth 'split' input issue could be affecting it
[17:40] <linux_user> I do not understand
[17:40] <linux_user> didn't you say to make vt_handoff=7?
[17:40] <linux_user> $vt_handoff=7 did nothing
[17:41] <TJ->  linux_user no, I wanted to see if the setting was there and I said what I thought it should be, which as ducasse said, is actually "vt.handoff=7"
[17:41] <linux_user> oh
[17:41] <linux_user> I can reboot and try that instead
[17:42] <TJ-> linux_user: if it isn't showing up in /proc/cmdline it is something we can investigate further
[17:42] <klemax> Hello
[17:43] <klemax> I have some devices. Before opening them on dolphin, must be asked sudo password to mount them.
[17:43] <klemax> How to do it?
[17:46] <linux_user> I did see that there are some updates, so I am installing them and rebooting
[17:46] <lordcirth_work> klemax, I don't understand what you mean.
[17:46] <ioria> klemax, you mean disable auto-mounting ?
[17:46] <MYounis> Hello everyone!
[17:46] <MYounis> greig Fallen. I treid making the Live Pendrive with Ubuntu as per the turorial on Ubuntu's site. Also tried setting nomodeset in boot. and also in grub file in live pendrive.
[17:46] <MYounis> Still the laptop stucks at the black screen after grub.
[17:46] <klemax> ioria: bingo
[17:47] <ioria> klemax, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount/USB#Configuring_Automounting
[17:47] <Unte36> alkisg ++++   Distributor ID: Ubuntu / Description:    Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS/ Release:        16.04/ Codename:       xenial
[17:47] <alkisg> Unte36: what's the output of `ls /usr/share/xsessions` ?
[17:48] <klemax> ioria: ah it is only for usb device?
[17:48] <ioria> klemax, i guess (not sure) also for sdcards
[17:49] <klemax> ioria: Im gonna use it for my sata disk.
[17:49] <ioria> klemax, oh
[17:50] <ioria> klemax, where are mounted right now ?
[17:51] <linux_user> OK, it booted into GUI: I had to remove "quiet splash $vt_handoff" and replace it with "nomodeset vt_handoff=7" yet, when I did that, it prompted for the password in text mode! YUK!
[17:51] <linux_user> why is the GUI not working to prompt for the password?
[17:51] <Unte36> alkisg ++++   Plasma.Desltop
[17:51] <leftyfb> it did txt mode because you removed quiet
[17:51] <urvsh> hello
[17:51] <Unte36> alkisg ++++   Plasma.Desktop
[17:52] <leftyfb> Unte36: You only need to post it once.
[17:52] <MYounis> hello urvsh
[17:52] <eno_> has anyone gotten chromium to work with netflix? i tried the instructions here but it still doesn't work https://launchpad.net/~saiarcot895/+archive/ubuntu/chromium-dev
[17:53] <klemax> ioria: /media/klemax/
[17:53] <alkisg> Unte36: ah, ok, I'm not use KDE, I can't help there
[17:53] <alkisg> Wait for someone else
[17:53] <lordcirth_work> klemax, are these disks configured in /etc/fstab?
[17:53] <linux_user> TJ?
[17:53] <leftyfb> eno_: try firefox
[17:53] <ioria> klemax, try the link above, if not working,   you can set fstab with the 'noauto' option
[17:53] <Unte36> alkisg ++++   Is there anyone in here who can assist me with this??????? : (
[17:53] <MYounis> Hello everyone. I'm tryint to install Linux in my computer. But no luck so far. Stuck with windows for 2 years now
[17:53] <eno_> leftyfb: firefox works fine
[17:53] <MYounis> can some one help me please
[17:54] <lordcirth_work> linux_user, you need the full username to highlight: TJ- .  Also, did the text prompt work?
[17:54] <leftyfb> MYounis: you need to give us detailed issues. Preferably logs or error messages. And what version of ubuntu you're trying to install and how you're trying to install it
[17:54] <klemax> lordcirth_work: no it is not
[17:55] <linux_user> lordcirth_work: what worked was replacing "quiet splash $vt_handoff" with "nomodeset vt_handoff=1"
[17:55] <linux_user> what do you mean "full username" to highlight?
[17:55] <leftyfb> linux_user: try putting quiet back
[17:55] <linux_user> ok
[17:55] <linux_user> keep vt_handoff=1 yes?
[17:55] <leftyfb> sure
[17:56] <lordcirth_work> linux_user, saying someone's username, like this, makes their IRC client highlight the line.  Saying part of it does not.
[17:56] <linux_user> ok
[17:56] <Unte36> ALKISG After kernel update. Problems: A) WIFI connection needs to be set up to aireplane and then re enable it for that it works. B) I got porgams in one language and file manager on a different one C) lost my documents
[17:56] <Unte36> HELLO ALL> After kernel update. Problems: A) WIFI connection needs to be set up to aireplane and then re enable it for that it works. B) I got porgams in one language and file manager on a different one C) lost my documents
[17:56] <alkisg> Unte36: I'm not using KDE, wait for someone else
[17:56] <alkisg> !patience
[17:56] <linux_user> lordcirth_work, what exactly do you want the command line to look like remove "splash $vt_handoff" leaving just quiet, right?
[17:56] <leftyfb> Unte36: please stop posting the same things multiple times
[17:57] <leftyfb> Unte36: try running the previous kernel
[17:57] <MYounis> leftyfb thanks. I did on top but I think it went up in msgs without anyone reading them.
[17:57] <MYounis> I'm trying to intall Linux on my HP Envy TS i5 U110dx. With Integrated Intel HD 5500.
[17:57] <MYounis> I tried intalling Linuxmint in the start but with no luck. Recently I've tried intalling Ubuntu 17.10 and then Ubuntu 16.04.03. Facing same problem with all of them
[17:57] <Unte36> Ubottu sorry, Iḿ new to all this so not sure what is the protocol
[17:57] <lordcirth_work> linux_user, I think leftyfb or others might be better to help you
[17:57] <leftyfb> MYounis: you have yet to detail an issue
[17:58] <NginUS> Does anyone here know where I can see a changelog for the wget update that just happened on 16.04?
[17:58] <leftyfb> MYounis: mind you, we are only going to help you install ubuntu 16.04 or 17.10
[17:58] <Unte36>  ++ Ubottu sorry, Iḿ new to all this so not sure what is the protocol, will do. Yes I have tried to do that. Rollback kernel, repair packages, check files on repair mode
[17:58] <leftyfb> nhandler: apt-get changelog wget
[17:59] <NginUS> leftyfb: thx
[17:59] <linux_user> lordcirth_work when I used "quiet vt_handoff=1" it asked me for the password in text
[17:59] <lordcirth_work> linux_user, yes, and did it work when you typed it in?
[18:00] <linux_user> yes it did
[18:00] <leftyfb> linux_user: try adding "splash" if you want the GUI (maybe)
[18:00] <MYounis> leftyfb yes I know. And that'll be great.
[18:00] <MYounis> Whenever I book from live Ubuntu Live USB. It stucks at black screen right after GNU grub. that gives options to try Ubuntu without installing and install ubuntu etc.
[18:00] <MYounis> I've set the bios. enable legacy boot. disabled secue boot. Set USB 3.0 to auto.
[18:00] <MYounis> I've tried putting nomodeset after quiet splash.
[18:00] <linux_user> and what should I do with "$vt_handoff" change it to "vt_handoff=1"?
[18:00] <MYounis> During boot and also in grub file in live USB
[18:01] <linux_user> when I did "quiet vt_handoff=1" it asked me the password textually but landed me at the GUI login page after booting
[18:01] <leftyfb> MYounis: try the server installer and when it gets to package selection, pick ubuntu desktop toward the bottom
[18:01] <leftyfb> linux_user: try adding in "splash" but keep everything else that's there now
[18:01] <MYounis> server intaller?? You mean I should download another ISO?? Ubuntu Server?
[18:02] <leftyfb> MYounis: yes
[18:02] <cpined> Hello, any more ideas why I can't launch my GUI?  When powering up it hangs on "recovering journal"?
[18:02] <MYounis> leftyfb you think that'll work?
[18:02] <cpined> I can ssh to that box and run applications fine.
[18:02] <leftyfb> MYounis: usually when someone suggests a solution, it's because they think it might work
[18:03] <linux_user> what is there now is "quiet vt_handoff=1"
[18:03] <linux_user> that asks me the password textually and provides the GUI after
[18:03] <leftyfb> linux_user: again, add splash to it
[18:04] <MYounis> leftyfb Sorry man I just asked because I thought problem is with my graphics thing. the grub menu some in small neat text. Anyways, thanks I'll try that
[18:04] <linux_user> I did, when I did it prompted I saw the password typed on the screen high up but not in the block where it goes and it did nothing and stayed stuck
[18:05] <linux_user> using: "quiet splash vt_handoff=1"
[18:05] <linux_user> isnt there a conflict between vt_handoff=1 and splash?
[18:06] <leftyfb> linux_user: doubtful. vt_handoff is which tty the GUI will run on
[18:06] <leftyfb> it actually doesn't really matter what that number is AFAIK
[18:06] <linux_user> oh ok
[18:06] <linux_user> quiet splash does not accept the password
[18:07] <leftyfb> linux_user: can I ask why you need the entire virtual desktop install encrypted?
[18:08] <linux_user> leftyfb: so I can test it and discover bugs like this before I set it up that way for a client who has not told me their needs for encryption (nor won't). I hope you are not going to question why I am doing something just because it is broken...that will not be helpful.
[18:09] <lordcirth_work> linux_user, well, it would have been useful to know that this will need to go to a client; I was wondering why you cared about the splash screen working
[18:09] <linux_user> If Ubuntu 17.10 has some real bugs and is a bit of turd, I think the question is why was it not fully tested well?
[18:09] <leftyfb> linux_user: some things (possibly this) won't work the same way virtualized as it will on bare metal.
[18:10] <lordcirth_work> cpined, look through /var/log/syslog and the output of 'dmesg'
[18:10] <MYounis> One more question.  I never tried server installer before. I'm downloading the ISO ubuntu-16.04.3-server-amd64.iso. When will it get to package selection? in grub or during installation process?
[18:10] <leftyfb> linux_user: also, I wouldn't recommend installing 17.10 for a "client". You'll be reinstalling/upgrading them every 6 months if you install non LTS versions
[18:10] <lordcirth_work> virtualization *shouldn't* hurt LUKS, one would think...
[18:10] <leftyfb> MYounis: during installation
[18:11] <MYounis> leftyfb thanks
[18:11] <leftyfb> lordcirth_work: no, but it might affect graphics .. as in placement on the screen. Due to a virtualized graphics driver
[18:11] <lordcirth_work> True
[18:11] <linux_user> lordcirth_work: I agree, and I think questioning why someone uses something that is broken is not productive. Its why it is broken, because people do not care (not saying lefty doesn't) just saying its that kind of attitude with developers that leads to junkware.
[18:12] <lordcirth_work> linux_user, it's counterproductive if it's a way to get out of fixing it; but not if it helps you understand the real problem
[18:12] <linux_user> leftyfb: I agree, but if I do not, the client will hire someone that will do waht he is asking.
[18:12] <lordcirth_work> XY problems happen here a lot
[18:12] <cpined>  lordcirth_work, pattern not found
[18:12] <linux_user> lordcirth_work: true
[18:13] <leftyfb> linux_user: If it were me (first, I would install 16.04, not 17.10) I would install 17.10 on a test machine (not virtual) to see if this issue still exists. If it doesn't, then I would just do your virtualization testing without encryption and test everything else
[18:13] <linux_user> Moreover, this functionality was fine in 16.04, 16.10, and 17.04
[18:13] <lordcirth_work> cpined, ?  You didn't see any errors after "recovering journal"?
[18:13] <linux_user> I will but the customer wants it installed virtualized
[18:13] <leftyfb> linux_user: This particular issue might not be solved here. Your next step would be to file a bug.
[18:13] <linux_user> moreover, if its a bug then the Ubuntu folks need to know so they can fix it
[18:14] <linux_user> I agree entirely leftyfb about the bug filing!
[18:14] <linux_user> where do I file a bug?
[18:14] <nacc> !bug | linux_user
[18:14] <leftyfb> linux_user: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[18:16] <linux_user> someone else will need to file the bug. it requires me to login with facebook or something, seems ubuntu doesn't let you have your own account anymore.
[18:16] <linux_user> one of my federal clients prevents me from having facebook
[18:16] <linux_user> or other social media accounts
[18:16] <cpined> lordcirth_work, I see this in the log - 0 gnome-screensav[24760]: Cannot open display:
[18:17] <leftyfb> linux_user: launchpad does not require you to have a facebook account
[18:17] <leftyfb> linux_user: https://login.ubuntu.com/
[18:18] <leftyfb> or https://login.launchpad.net/
[18:18] <leftyfb> same thing I think
[18:18] <lapyo> I'm having some problems with my wifi
[18:18] <lapyo> ubuntu 17.10, 4.13.0-16-generic, ath9k driver
[18:18] <lapyo> unstable and slow connection, first time ever having this problem with linux
[18:19] <MYounis> leftyfb i was gonna install Ubuntu as a dual boot with winodws. WIll I still be able to do that with Ubuntu Server?
[18:19] <leftyfb> MYounis: yes
[18:20] <linux_user> it put me into some personal details screen
[18:20] <linux_user> what do I do to file the bug?
[18:21] <linux_user> ok, I clicked launchpad when I saw it
[18:21] <linux_user> let me try to file a bug if I can figure out where to click to do that
[18:21] <leftyfb> personal details? Like your name?
[18:21] <lapyo> anyone? search engines just suggest reloading drivers but it aint't doing shit
[18:22] <leftyfb> lapyo: please watch the language
[18:22] <linux_user> Is there something I click to file a bug? there is no file a bug link
[18:22] <lapyo> sure, if the censorship helps me get some real answers
[18:23] <BluesKaj> !gug
[18:23] <BluesKaj> hehe
[18:23] <BluesKaj> !bug
[18:23] <BluesKaj> linux_user,^
[18:23] <linux_user> leftyfb: this is taking too much time, I am going to try to post a message somewhere to get the bug published, I don't see how to do it easily.
[18:24] <leftyfb> linux_user: posting the message "somewhere" will not get the bug published ... unless it's a filed bug on launchpad
[18:24] <leftyfb> linux_user: the link given to you twice now as instructions on filing a bug
[18:24] <leftyfb> linux_user: please read through it
[18:24] <linux_user> I DID
[18:24] <linux_user> I logged in
[18:24] <linux_user> went to the link
[18:24] <linux_user> there is no "file a bug" url
[18:25] <linux_user> I have no time to read through it
[18:25] <linux_user> I need to get a solution going
[18:25] <linux_user> thanks for all your help
[18:25] <linux_user> I do appreciate that
[18:25] <linux_user> filing bugs with Ubuntu is too complicated
[18:25] <leftyfb> you actually can't say that since you didn't bother to read the documentation on how to do it
[18:25] <BluesKaj> linux_user, read above
[18:26] <leftyfb> if reading documentation is too complicated .....
[18:27] <pavlos> linux_user: you just type ubuntu-bug the_package_name (there is example for evince), it will collect info and guide you through the process.
[18:27] <LyndsySimon> I have a Windows 10 tablet - does 17.10 have sufficiently mature touch support that it would be usable on it?
[18:28] <LyndsySimon> It's a Samsung TabPro S Gold, for what it's worth. Roughly par with a Surface Pro.
[18:28] <leftyfb> LyndsySimon: yes and no. "sufficiently mature touch support", yes. Will it work on a Windows tablet, that's up to the drivers of the tablet and has very little to do with touchpad support in Ubuntu
[18:29] <LyndsySimon> leftyfb: I'm confident that I can handle dealing with drivers, assuming they actually exist at the moment.
[18:30] <LyndsySimon> Alternatively, are there any decent convertible tablet offerings out there that have excellent compatibility with Ubuntu?
[18:31] <cristian_c> LyndsySimon: beyond driver support, it's pretty a matter of desktop environment suppott, in terms of daily use
[18:32] <linux_user> leftyfb: bug filed
[18:32] <LyndsySimon> cristian_c: To be honest, I find Windows 10 to be barely acceptable in that regard.
[18:33] <akik> does ubuntu-bug sanitize the uploaded files?
[18:33] <akik> or can you do it manually?
[18:35] <ducasse> akik: aiui it sanitizes logs etc it collects
[18:37] <cristian_c> LyndsySimon: you've made a question, and you've provided an answer to that same question
[18:38] <LyndsySimon> cristian_c: Indeed :) I'm just toying with an idea over here, I don't have a problem that requires a solution.
[18:38] <cristian_c> ah, complaint/bame
[18:38] <cristian_c> rant/blame
[18:38] <cristian_c> good
[18:39] <akik> LyndsySimon: i don't know why no one suggested this but you can boot a live session of 17.10 on the tablet (probably)
[18:39] <LyndsySimon> akik: Yeah, I think so. I'll need to dig up my USB-C <-> USB adapter, but I should be able to do it.
[18:40] <LyndsySimon> If Wubi still exists, I could probably also install it from within Windows as a trial.
[18:40] <akik> LyndsySimon: it doesn't
[18:40] <LyndsySimon> akik: Interesting. Not sure what I think about that :)
[18:40] <akik> LyndsySimon: the live session doesn't change the tablet's configuration
[18:40] <LyndsySimon> I'm aware
[18:44] <cristian_c> LyndsySimon: luckily, wubi doesn't exiat anymore
[18:45] <LyndsySimon> Basically, I'm in a place right now where I'm trying to decide how I want to proceed in terms of my personal computing environment. I have a MacBook Pro and my Samsung tablet, running macOS and Win10 respectively. I'm considering replacing the MBP with a more powerful desktop, running Win10 or a Linux distro of some type. If Ubuntu on that desktop is sufficient for the gaming I do, then I'm curious if I can also
[18:45] <LyndsySimon> use Ubuntu on my tablet, thereby having a single OS for all of my devices at that point.
[18:47] <LyndsySimon> The only two games I really play regularly are Day of Infamy (a Source-engine-based FPS) and RimWorld. Both of them have Linux versions on Steam, and neither require squeezing every last bit of graphical performance.
[18:47] <cristian_c> LyndsySimon: just gnome shell has a decent touch support
[18:47] <cristian_c> but I use double quote when I write 'decent'
[18:48]  * LyndsySimon nods
[18:48] <LyndsySimon> My biggest problem in Windows isn't touch support in the shell, but in applications. Web browsers in particular really suck in that regard.
[18:49] <cristian_c> buy a laptop if you want use a full linx experience
[18:49] <LyndsySimon> While I agree, that's not really helpful...
[18:49] <cristian_c> or use the tsblet pc with its own keyboard, in laptop mode
[18:52] <LyndsySimon> I use it about half and half as a laptop. It's not my primary device, for sure, but it's nice to be able to use in the car and such as a tablet and to switch over to laptop mode to get "real work" done in a pinch.
[18:57] <zuiss1> is a snap package like a portable app on windows, where everything is contained in a bundle?
[18:59] <Thunder_Tw> zuiss1: https://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/snappy
[19:00] <nacc> zuiss1: #snappy, and sort of, it's a squashfs image
[19:00] <oerheks> tons of them, https://snapcraft.io/
[19:02] <whallz> hello
[19:02] <linux_user> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1727816
[19:03] <whallz> fresh installed ubuntu 16.04.2 on an Acer Aspire E 15 laptop, everything works fine, but "sometimes" mouse starts to lag like crazy
[19:03] <whallz> unexpectedly and it does not stop until i reboot
[19:03] <oerheks> linux_user, if it is marked as security issue, we do not spot that report, without credentials
[19:04] <linux_user> huh?
[19:04] <oerheks> or it is a wrong paste
[19:04] <linux_user> a password doesn't work, of course that is a security issue!
[19:04] <linux_user> how could it not be?
[19:04] <oerheks> linux_user, so pasting that bugreport is useless, we cannot read it.
[19:05] <linux_user> just cut and paste it in your browser
[19:07] <leftyfb> linux_user: It's not a security issue. It's an interface issue.
[19:08] <Thunder_Tw> whallz: not to complain but LTS is 16.04.3, can you pastebin using the command # dmesg
[19:08]  * whallz needs help debugging a laggy touchpad
[19:08] <ioria> whallz, whallz, https://askubuntu.com/questions/823404/extreme-cursor-delay-with-acer-aspire-e15-on-ubuntu-16-04
[19:09] <whallz> aha i'll try changing that bios setting
[19:09] <whallz> thanks ioria , Thunder_Tw
[19:10] <ioria> whallz, if not working, try  to bl :  sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-i2c-hid.conf <<< "blacklist i2c_hid"
[19:10] <whallz> cool
[19:15] <oerheks> hostnamectl status
[19:24] <whallz> ioria: yeap that did it, also tried with a usb mouse,worked perfectly, switching to basic touchpad config
[19:24] <whallz> thank you
[19:24] <whallz> bye
[19:25] <ioria> ok
[19:31] <riotz> uhm, is there a shortcut to disable the mousepad on 17.10?
[19:31] <riotz> i just cleaned the keyboard a bit ago now the mousepad doesnt work anymore
[19:31] <riotz> grrrr
[19:33] <linux_user> leftyfb: Well, I think if a password doesn't work its a security issue. Anyway, if someone wants to reclassify the bug or what have you the right people that manage bug reports can do that.
[19:33] <linux_user> I submitted as best I was able
[19:34] <ioria> linux_user, what's the problem ?
[19:35] <leftyfb> linux_user: since it's listed as a security bug, we cannot modify or even see it
[19:36] <linux_user> well I submitted however I best could without reading tons of docs. I have no idea how to change it so, sorry but I guess its too late
[19:36] <linux_user> eventually someone will read it I am sure
[19:49] <TJ-> linux_user: we've un-secured your bug report and I've added an initial comment to it
[19:49] <n4n0`> mew
[19:50] <pavlos> riotz: can you disable in systems settings, devices?
[19:54] <leftyfb> linux_user: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1727816
[19:54] <leftyfb> it's more than likely a duplicate anyway
[19:55] <TJ-> I debugged and fixed this a long time ago for 16.04; I wonder if I can find my patches?
[19:55] <hitman1> Hi, How to get icon files of icons of system tray ?
[19:58] <riotz> pavlos, enabling disabling in system setttings didnt had an effect.. i made a reboot no effect
[19:58] <catbehemoth> is it possible to use systemd-boot instead of grub with ubuntu 16.04? and if yes to I simply apt-get remove grub and bootctl --path=/boot/efi install?
[19:59] <riotz> then i switched off the power completely and powered on and everything started working
[19:59] <riotz> maybe some electrical failure?
[20:00] <riotz> i also rebooted to windows which refused the mousepad.. realy weird failure
[20:01] <akik> why is that encryption passphrase bug still "new" ?
[20:01] <akik> oh it's triaged
[20:02] <hitman1> I want to know path where system tray icons of ubuntu are stored ?
[20:02] <hitman1> location of the file.
[20:02] <leftyfb> hitman1: it's dependent on what application icon you're talking about
[20:03] <hitman1> leftyfb: any application
[20:03] <hitman1> take system's default icons case
[20:04] <leftyfb> hitman1: default icon for what?
[20:04] <hitman1> wifi, speaker etc
[20:04] <leftyfb> hitman1: dropbox: /usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/dropbox.png
[20:06] <numbie> hey, can someone tell me how i disown a .sh mount script , so it doesnt not unmount when the script is done?
[20:07] <indrora> I think you're going to need to explain that a little clearer, @ numbie
[20:10] <TJ-> numbie: you means you want it to continue running in the background when you exit the shell?
[20:10] <numbie> yes, im using a short cut with xterm  test.sh
[20:10] <numbie> but i can & disown , because i need give input
[20:10] <uwd> can you elaborate on the "Mount script"
[20:11] <numbie> can not*
[20:14] <uwd> numbie: can you upload your script on pastebin or some other service so we can see what you're actually running?
[20:15] <pavlos> riotz: I booted off a 17.10 usb stick (Try Ubuntu) and was able to turn off/on mousepad so it must be some module loaded on your laptop.
[20:15] <TJ-> numbie: assuming the shell is bash, then "disown -h <executable> &" should be sufficient
[20:16] <uwd> TJ-: theres the doesnt unmount when the script is done part thats still confusing me
[20:18] <numbie> that was a mistype, i just want it to keep it mounted, its throwing the mount points out when the shell is done
[20:19] <numbie> when i use the shortcut atleast
[20:19] <TJ-> numbie: if you need to give it input you'd have to do it via a new fd
[20:19] <uwd> as in umount <params> numbie ?
[20:19] <nacc> numbie: keep what mounted?
[20:19] <nacc> numbie: your script description is *really* vague right now
[20:19] <TJ-> uwd: if the shell exits it'll send a SIGHUP to the child process, killing it, unless "disown -h" option is used
[20:20] <nacc> afaict, this feels like perhaps the wrong solution to an undescribed problem
[20:24] <TJ-> As I understand it, numbie is using the GUI with a .desktop shortcut added that does "xterm path/to/script.sh", they then enter some input and then *close* xterm, and want the script.sh to continue running (said script doing some form of mount/umount operations )
[20:24] <numbie> if elif with 1 mount 2 unmount
[20:25] <nacc> TJ-: that's a lot of context I did not have :)
[20:25] <numbie> but yes, that sums it up
[20:25] <TJ-> nacc: Just call me Calire Voyant :)
[20:25] <nacc> numbie: uh, what? that's not even close to reasonable pseudo-syntax
[20:25] <TJ-> grrr, Claire Voyant, even!
[20:25] <uwd> TJ-: i prefer the calire voyant
[20:25] <uwd> lol
[20:26] <numbie> i am a pleb, what do you expect
[20:26] <Thunder_Tw> Claire*
[20:26] <Thunder_Tw> :p
[20:26] <TJ-> nacc: I'll be your interpreter for today: "read -p "option 1 or option 2 ?" choice; if [ $choice -eq 1]; then do_mount; elif [ $choice -eq 2 ]; then do_umount; fi"
[20:29] <numbie> but the desktop thing instantly disowns it , before i can give input
[20:31] <riotz> pavlos, its fixed now like i said.. i had to switch off power completely after that it was working again on the next reboot
[20:33] <nacc> numbie: you could pastebin your script, as requested
[20:33] <nacc> TJ-: :)
[20:42] <numbie> well nohup seems to work
[20:43] <numbie> weird
[20:48] <numbie> nacc, TJ-   thanks for the help, i don't even know how to script, not sure why  & disown does not work , cu
[20:52] <pavlos> riotz: ok
[20:59] <Sven_vB> I finally managed to get the Ubuntu Xenial live session to boot without nouveau, by removing --- and -- from the kernel command line options in the UNetbootin menu file, and adding " nomodeset blacklist=nouveau".
[21:03] <TJ-> Sven_vB: You could also use nouveau.modeset=0
[21:04] <TJ-> Sven_vB: assuming you''re not dealing with a nouveau vs nvidia driver issue.
[21:04] <arooni> is this the right way to suspend ubuntu from the command line ? systemctl suspend -i
[21:05] <TJ-> arooni: Yes
[21:05] <TJ-> arooni: although without the -i to begin with is preferred so you see a list of processes holding locks
[21:05] <arooni> TJ-: will ubuntu do it that way when i close my laptop lid?  just about 1/2 of the time i can't come back from suspend
[21:05] <arooni> its quite annoying :(
[21:06] <TJ-> arooni: sounds like an ACPI issue in the firmware, what does the systems "cat /proc/cmdline" show?
[21:08] <arooni> BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.8.0-53-generic root=UUID=e2134f25-3709-4afb-85e9-72b1e6b46ca3 ro quiet splash acpi_backlight=vendor "acpi_osi=!Windows 2013" "acpi_osi=!Windows 2012" crashkernel=384M-:128M vt.handoff=7
[21:09] <Sven_vB> TJ-, I haven't installed any proprietary drivers onto the live USB. what would be the benefit of nouveau.modeset=0 over blacklisting it?
[21:10] <TJ-> Sven_vB: well, if the GPU uses the nouveau driver you get all the other benefits but without kernel mode-setting
[21:10] <Sven_vB> TJ-, what benefits are that?
[21:10] <TJ-> arooni: I'd guess you need to modify your use of the acpi_osi options. right now you're disabling some built-ins but likely not passing the best one for that system
[21:11] <arooni> TJ-: have any suggestions?  i remember i got that from reading a *LONG* thread of people who also had suspend/resume problem
[21:11] <nanodrone> is snappy installable on puppylinux
[21:11] <arooni> *problems
[21:11] <TJ-> Sven_vB: hardware  acceleration support, etc. without that you'll be limited to the the VESA software based driver
[21:12] <Sven_vB> TJ-, thanks. I'll keep that in mind in case moving windows around becomes to slow or something.
[21:12] <TJ-> arooni: as it happens yes. I specialise on this :) I think you need the form acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows XXXX" where you need to identify the best XXXX
[21:13] <arooni> TJ-: imagine my luck !  ... so how do i find what version of windows that I *dont have* haha
[21:13] <TJ-> arooni: to identify the 'best' XXXX do "sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep -i 'windows' | sort | tail -1"
[21:14] <arooni> TJ-: came up Windows 2012 :P
[21:14] <TJ-> arooni: then edit the /etc/default/grub, GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX entry. Remove *all* your existing acpi_osi code (maybe comment out that line to retain it and create a new line) then...
[21:14] <arooni> TJ-: in that file right now i have GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="splash 2013'=1=1 acpi_backlight=vendor quiet acpi_osi='!Windows 2013'=1=1"
[21:15] <TJ-> arooni: ... GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="crashkernel=384M-:128M acpi_backlight=vendor acpi_osi=! \"acpi_osi=Windows 2012\""
[21:15] <arooni> TJ-: i also have GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" ;; so leave that as it is?
[21:15] <Apachez> how come ubuntu 17.10 iso doesnt contain software to burn cd/dvd discs?
[21:15] <TJ-> arooni: ahhh, you should remove all but "quiet splash" from that line, that line is only used for a default start. it won't work for any of the 'Advanced' boot entries
[21:16] <arooni> TJ-: so leave this line in there as you suggest? GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="crashkernel=384M-:128M acpi_backlight=vendor acpi_osi=! \"acpi_osi=Windows 2012\""
[21:16] <arooni> and leave GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=""
[21:17] <TJ-> arooni: no, I'd recommend you have GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFUALT="quiet splash"  and GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="acpi_backlight=vendor acpi_osi=! \"acpi_osi=Windows 2012\""  ... I think the crashkernel entry comes from a script doesn't it?
[21:17]  * arooni lucked out today in #ubuntu; no way he would have figured this out on his own
[21:17] <arooni> ahhh ok
[21:17] <TJ-> arooni: watch out for my typos! GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=... !
[21:18] <TJ-> arooni: don't miss the 2 double-quotes at the end of GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX either
[21:18] <arooni> ok now i have the quiet splash as you indicate; and:
[21:18] <arooni> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="acpi_backlight=vendor acpi_osi=! \"acpi_osi=Windows 2012\""
[21:19] <TJ-> arooni: for the avoidance of doubt: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25825816/
[21:19] <arooni> i won't really know if this will work till i restart correct?
[21:19] <TJ-> arooni: you'll need "sudo update-grub" first, then a reboot to test it, correct
[21:20] <arooni> TJ-: is.... the grub whisperer
[21:21] <arooni>  ok i'm excited; i'm gonna restart and see if my upgraded grub works any better
[21:21] <arooni> thanks TJ- for your help
[21:22] <TJ-> arooni: sometimes a bad wifi card/driver can cause problems with suspend/resume and has to be unloaded before suspending
[21:22] <TJ-> arooni: let us know how it goes
[21:31] <dan01> is it just me, or is there something wrong with how my desktop looks?: https://imagebin.ca/v/3f9igrz2t8Kc
[21:32] <dan01> Shouldn't I have to see more lines, have more free space? Controls seem bit to big, don't they?
[21:33] <kostkon> dan01, looks normal to me
[21:33] <waltman> Has anyone figured out how to get new windows in 17.10 to appear on top and get focus? This is by far my top peeve.
[21:34] <waltman> The only thing I've found is https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1005/focus-my-window/, but it's from several gnome versions ago and I can't figure out how to install it.
[21:34] <nanodrone> dan01, 1366*768 is why they look so big, but you can always scale them down
[21:35] <akik> nanodrone: i did exactly that after install. way too big
[21:35] <nanodrone> gnome assumes every PC has a touchscreen
[21:35] <dan01> nanodrone: how do I do that, gnome-tweek-tool Fonts, scale?
[21:35] <dan01> akik: And what value should I put there?
[21:35] <nanodrone> no, it's the display scaling part
[21:35] <akik> dan01: https://atkdinosaurus.wordpress.com/2017/10/24/how-to-make-gnome-graphics-elements-smaller-ubuntu-17-10/
[21:36] <kostkon> dan01, ok maybe the drop down menus look a bit off
[21:37] <TJ-> Its weird how DEs get the scaling wrong, especially since monitors provide both resolution and size (in millimetres) in the EDID block
[21:37] <akik> gnome has locked the dpi to 96 and they've also locked the minimum size for icons
[21:38] <nanodrone> it's simple math too, i've seen webapps scale better than most DEs
[21:38] <arooni> here i am hahaha
[21:38] <TJ-> arooni: silly!
[21:38] <TJ-> arooni: so the suspend/resume works OK now?
[21:39] <nanodrone> TJ-, pos
[21:39] <arooni> TJ-: as far as i can tell; i'm not sure if i should be using     sudo systemctl suspend; systemctl suspend; or systemctl suspend -i
[21:39] <arooni> TJ-: also; is there a recommended way to make sure my computer suspends / wakes up at a certain time every day
[21:40] <TJ-> arooni: the systemctl -i suspend will not give you chance to consider if you need to stop an application first. without -i you'll get a list of applications holding a lock so you can consider if it is acceptable to stop them. Think, e.g., of an application doing a background download of files
[21:40] <arooni> TJ-: gotcha
[21:40] <arooni> so do i run it w/ w/o sudo
[21:41] <TJ-> arooni: for the timed suspend a cron job. for the resume, you'd need to use the real time clock (RTC) alarm functions to wake the PC up
[21:41] <TJ-> arooni: as far as I recall systemctl suspend works without sudo
[21:42] <arooni> //gist.github.com/16993885cfdc4afb9ac5a2c8bc4f43e6
[21:42] <arooni> TJ-:  i was using this script for awhile which suspended but didnt seem to wake up the computer without it being locked
[21:42] <arooni> https://gist.github.com/16993885cfdc4afb9ac5a2c8bc4f43e6
[21:43] <dan01> kostkon: neah, scaling didn't do it. drop down menus? how do I fix that?
[21:44] <TJ-> arooni: firstly check the PC can wake from S4 sleep: "dmesg | grep RTC"
[21:44] <arooni> TJ-: i did see this ; [    0.986785] rtc_cmos 00:02: RTC can wake from S4; and [    0.083964] RTC time: 21:29:37, date: 10/26/17
[21:44] <TJ-> arooni: ahh, yes, your script is about what I'd expect
[21:46] <kostkon> dan01, I'm not sure I can help you I haven't touched gnome shell yet
[21:46] <arooni> TJ-: should that script be invoked from my normal user or sudo's user
[21:48] <TJ-> arooni: it has "sudo" calls in it so it'd be for the invoking user
[21:48] <arooni> TJ-: just didnt know if there is any downside to calling for a suspend from root
[21:49] <TJ-> arooni: usually it's the other way around :)
[21:53] <arooni> TJ-: well since my normal user cant run sudo without a password; i think i should invoke that script from root
[21:53] <arooni> because the point of that script is to stop me from using my computer when i should be going to bed lol
[21:55] <TJ-> arooni: LOL it's that bad?!
[21:55] <arooni> TJ-: insomnia is the worst; don't try it trust me haha
[21:56] <TJ-> arooni: I know it well
[21:56] <TJ-> arooni: my solution is to continue without sleep until the next night :)
[21:56] <arooni> oh man; you have incredible willpower
[21:56] <arooni> i tend to mess up my sleep cycle the nights i cant sleep with naps throughout the day
[21:57] <TJ-> arooni: right, well I hope your script does the job... I just don't see how, as the computer owner, you can't just countermand it :D
[21:58] <shakermaker> hello
[21:59] <arooni> TJ-: well usually i'm just doing something or playing the guitar and then it turns itself off and then i'm like 'time to go to bed
[21:59] <arooni> anyway thanks for your help
[22:27] <Sveta> arooni: it is also called self discipline
[22:27] <Sveta> not only will power
[22:28] <Sveta> shakermaker: hi :)
[22:28] <blackal3x> so i did a fresh install of ubuntu (mate) 17.10 and when I opened the lid to wake from closign earlier, the wifi adapter managed to stop working...
[22:30] <blackal3x> is there some terminal commands that would reinstate the wifi without doing a system restart?
[22:30] <Sveta> you can disable wifi using the hardware switch and then reenable it, or restart the networking service
[22:47] <donofrio> is there a battlefield 1942 frontend - not emulated sorta like darkplaces but instead of quake it's battlefield? (https://www.ea.com/en-gb/news/dice-battlefield-1942-free)
[22:49] <donofrio> for ubuntu of course, not wanting to use wine....
[22:52] <daveomcd> I've just installed 17.10, but I have a hidpi laptop screen. How can I get the overall ui to diplay larger without decreasing my resolution?
[22:53] <Thunder_Tw> wine is not an emulator fyi
[22:53] <kenrin> You want a quake battlefield 1942 frontend?  What does that have to do with ubuntu
[22:53] <ikonia> OtterCoder: /win 1
[22:53] <ikonia> oops
[22:53] <donofrio> I want a ununtu native frontend for battlefield yes, just figured I'd ask cause I only really found wine howto
[22:54] <kenrin> battlefield 1942 is a very old windows game.  It has nothing to do with linux,  use wine
[22:55] <kenrin> playonlinux can help if you don't know wine that well
[22:55] <donofrio> yah I've used both thank you all....if anyone finds one let me know - I'll go back to mute
[22:56] <tgm4883> donofrio: if anyone finds something that can't exist?
[23:01] <tgm4883> donofrio: oh, I see what you're saying now. No, you're not going to find something like darkplaces for battlefield because the battlefield engine (refactor engine) isn't open source
[23:01] <tgm4883> refractor* engine
[23:19] <dagerik> Doing a Full AIDE scan on / takes a long time with many false positives. Which folders are worth checking?
[23:21] <nacc> dagerik: if you're doing intrusion detection, it doesn't seem like you'd want to exclude anything
[23:23] <grubles> is it possible to downgrade xorg in 16.04 to a version that supports proprietary amd drivers?
[23:23] <grubles> i know it's possible for 14.04
[23:23] <nacc> grubles: i thinkn you mean support in the other direction
[23:23] <nacc> grubles: that the proprietary amd drivers support ... what version would that be?
[23:24] <nacc> grubles: do you mean the amdgpu-pro driver?
[23:24] <grubles> my amd card is not supported by amdgpu
[23:25] <nacc> grubles: are you referring to fglrx then?
[23:25] <grubles> nacc: yes
[23:26] <nacc> grubles: that no longer exists, so no, you can't have that driver any longer
[23:26] <nacc> grubles: that's an AMD decision
[23:26] <nacc> grubles: if you want that driver, stay on 14.04, afaict
[23:26] <grubles> it exists here http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/linux
[23:27] <grubles> hm ok maybe the kernel is too new then
[23:28] <nacc> grubles: I don't know, but fglrx is not supported on 16.04 or later, if you want to use it, talk to amd, but it's not ubuntu at that point
[23:28] <grubles> nacc: ok. is it possible to downgrade xorg in 16.04?
[23:28] <tatertots> grubles: no
[23:29] <nacc> grubles: well, i mean, you can not run the hwe stack, presuming htat's what you mea
[23:29] <nacc> grubles: but i'm not sure what you mean
[23:29] <grubles> ie installing xserver-xorg-lts-utopic
[23:29] <grubles> https://askubuntu.com/questions/676216/downgrade-xorg-server
[23:29] <tatertots> grubles: there is no more fglrx support..in ubuntu versions > 14.x
[23:29] <tatertots> grubles: and there's nothing you can do about it
[23:30] <oerheks> no, else reinstall 14.04
[23:30] <nacc> grubles: that's a hwe stack for 14.04
[23:30] <grubles> i se
[23:30] <grubles> see
[23:30] <grubles> thanks
[23:48] <Iarfen> apart from bin, usr/bin and usr/sbin is there another folder of binaries?
[23:48] <kenrin> local/bin ?
[23:49] <kenrin> ~/
[23:49] <bcowan>    opt
[23:50] <kenrin> Easier to just echo $PATH and look
[23:50] <oerheks>  /lib/firmware/
[23:50] <nacc> Iarfen: as kenrin said, totally depends
[23:50] <Iarfen> ok
[23:51] <Iarfen> which are the default ones?
[23:51] <nacc> Iarfen: echo $PATH and see
[23:52] <Iarfen> ok