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 Hi there, @Mh90p and @Etxazarreta !
 Hi @UniversalSuperBox, thanks for welcome.
 Yeah it's better without the bot ^^
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 @TheImpulson, Linux Mint doesn't even have OS version upgrades
 @Lorxu, who said that???? I did update from 18.1 to 18.2 recently.
 Wow did that FINALLY change?
 Every single time I checked that wasn't supported without reinstalling
 Last time you checked?
 Half a year ago or so
 Unless I was given bad info back then. Haven't checked myself in ages because I don't trust the Mint team
 @Mohannes, This is bot ?🙄
 I like the bot
 @UniversalSuperBox, .
 @neothethird, +1
 @bhushanshah, Why is it been removed?
 Idk
 The message was a bit long, I agree. But to remove such a friendly face.... harsh :)
 @UniversalSuperBox, I forgive you Dalton
 @Gleb Lee 🇸🇨, agreed
 @vanyasem, So, let the people take care of the people ?
 Im looking to make some kind of starter package that newcomers can view and know the basics of the project. Any suggenstions, besides the so rudly killed welcome bot? #neverforget #wewillovercome #RIPbot
 @Mohannes, jep
 Is there a way to move contacts from the "Personal address book" to my gmail address book in UT? The contacts app defaults to saving contacts to "Personal" and once saved, there seem to be no way to edit this field.
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 I want to change mixer_paths.xml file in N5, seems that its located under /android/system and /var/lib/lxc/android/rootfs. Can I mount it writable like "sudo mount -o remount,rw /android/system"
 @Mohannes, 'Equipped and comfortable' sounds rather peculiar in English 🤔
 @Stereofont, Haha, tell that to @wayneoutthere. He went over it with his Canadian Spelling wizardry. ;)
 I agree with you Lionel, Canadian are weird :P
 @Mohannes, A private message with information would be the best use of a bot but that could result in the bot being banned for spamming. Telegram rules ought to recognise the need though?
 Exactly my point. A personal and privat approach is the best thing to communicate and help newcomers. Unfortunately, we do not have time or  want to put in the effort to do this. Furhtermore, within a 1000 members strong group, newcomers often feel like anoutsider. I want to do something about it.
 @Mohannes, 'Feeling at home and have all the information you need' sounds less like a fetish party 😎
 Was thinking on making a pdf/webpage/leaflet/handout/link so that the newcomer knows the basics.
 @Stereofont, whats wrong with that? haha
 @Mohannes, An audiocast link?
 @Stereofont, Great idea! @wayneoutthere is it possible to make a newsdeks-like intro for newcomers?
[09:04] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> Both ideas sound much better
[09:04] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> compared to the bot
 If a bot was set up as a user it could send that in pm? doesn't matter too much if it gets banned?
 Would that be possible?
 Would be awesome.
 Maybe @flohack contacts can advise how to do that within the rules?
 https://community.ubuntu.com/t/next-steps-for-wayland-support/1122
[11:08] <tgBot> <Nithin Padavu> (Photo, 2560x325) https://irc.ubports.com/8br6SlLP/file_1517.jpg
 the first one (up) is better
[11:10] <tgBot> <Nithin Padavu> is Stefano Verzegnassi on this channel?
[11:10] <tgBot> <Nithin Padavu> i felt the top arrow is much sharper
 because the seccond one (bottom) makes the text harder to read IMHO
 not enouch space between the text
[11:11] <tgBot> <Nithin Padavu> the one on the bottom is more smoother
 but i kinda like better teh less sharper arrows in the second one (buttom)
 @popescu_sorin, +1
[11:15] <tgBot> <Nithin Padavu> (Photo, 2560x500) https://irc.ubports.com/U7Bn20q2/file_1519.jpg
[11:15] <tgBot> <Nithin Padavu> Now
[11:15] <tgBot> <Nithin Padavu> the last one has more space but thinner arrows
[11:17] <tgBot> <Nithin Padavu> actually i didn't change the space in the second one. i made the arrows thinner thats all
 now it's better. the last one IMHO
 1 or 3 are both ok
[11:17] <tgBot> <Nithin Padavu> just felt that thinner arrows was closer to the rest of Ubuntu Touch inerface
[11:18] <tgBot> <Nithin Padavu> interface*
 ok so.. 3 is teh best for me
 @Nithin Padavu, What with the 1 but less side padding?
 the problem with the first one is that any breadcrumb cell eats to much into the next
 That's why i suggest a mockup try with a little but less padding (but without much hope)
 :D
 @popescu_sorin, I like your new avatar ^^
 hehe it's from Rick and Morty
 pickle rick!!
 :))
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/3XQRMbPX/file_1520.mp4
 yep :))
 @Nithin Padavu, Yes, I'm here :)
 Thanks for the discussion, the third proposal is much better
 (Photo, 845x410) https://irc.ubports.com/NHSTO5YG/file_1522.jpg Here's the test w/ real File Manager. … 1) arrow width: 2gu (current) … 2) arrow width: 1.5gu … 3) arrow width: 1gu
 @sverzegnassi, Ah, the in-situ mockup make the choice more clever 👍👌
 @sverzegnassi, Option 2.
 @samitormanen, I now think of the new option 3
 I think angle should match with other system and apps shape
 3. option isnt bad either. First is too sharp..
 @samitormanen, True
 @sverzegnassi, For accessibility, 2 is better than 3. I speak as someone older …
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/10JLg9OR/file_1524.jpg
 @Stereofont, Yes, that's the point. We can't reduce too much the width of those elements, as we need to support touch inputs as well
 I meant vision but that too
 I might try to mix 2 and 3, reducing the width of the arrow, but keeping the overall width of the elements untouched
 Shallow angle gets interpreted as a straight line
 @sverzegnassi, +1
 btw.. where is the actual hitbox?
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/HXChyHK5/file_1526.jpg
 (Photo, 720x105) https://irc.ubports.com/0yMZJo9l/file_1528.jpg
 😆
 right, that's my main trouble with sharp arrows, it confuses the brain where the actual hitbox is
 I was re-checking too, cause I wasn't sure 😂
 :))
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/0Pkq2yEJ/file_1530.jpg Anyway, these are my last three proposals. Can't tweak the size of the arrow any further, let me know :)
 2 or 3 are both fine IMHO, maybe 3 more :P
 1 maybe it's a bit hard to touch
 I'm for the third too, it's the one I would like to ship in the next development build
 Huh, btw, @popescu_sorin do you have any spare Meizu Pro 5 w/ Ubuntu?
 nope
 only mx4
 @popescu_sorin, I would i've think that the right side of arrow would be part of hiybox of the left element, since the leftest item would be arrow less and the rightest item would have a parent less arrow
 Huh, ok. I hoped to find someone who could test me the fingerprint support in File Manager before releasing the testing build ^^
 @arudy, Do i make sens?
 @arudy, mine is not the correnct one
 @sverzegnassi, @arudy this is the right one
 @popescu_sorin, Oh true. I didnt even zoomed the image's telegram thumbnail, didnt see the hitbox. Makes sens to me :)
 @sverzegnassi, I can
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 @Nithin Padavu, 2nd one is better
 @Mohannes, people don't do that....
 It is less sharp and takes less space
 Also we can see complete location of file from that
 @Mohannes, equipped with links. … comfortable with the group. … Feeling free to speak and equipped with tools. … Help me understand how to say that better and we will happily insert ;)
 @sverzegnassi, 1gu
 @Stereofont, What if you are in deep folder , and you can't see complete location
 @sverzegnassi, 3 good
 Second one for me
 3 is for me
 3 for me :)
[13:30] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @wayneoutthere, They were just kidding, but what do You think Wayne about the welcome audiocast link?
 @Milan Korecky, already thinking and talking about it in marketing group...  something interesting for sure.
 we believe there should be a welcome bot, for now, but the text should be *extremely reduced*.  Working on this now.
[13:31] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> Nevertheless it will promote to listen your all audiocast
 Would anyone be interested in joining a 'wecoming team'?  This is my idea... have a team of about 50 people who's only job is to simply welcome new people...
 My idea is basically a 'copy/paste' of the bot stuff but sent personally
 Ok, I think we have a clear winner. I'd say we can stop with the poll, so we don't spam this channel any further … Option 3 will be tested it in the next dev release, so we can see if it really works for everyone. Thank you all! :)
[13:34] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> And did you saw the link Popescu sent with the two windows in one screen?: https://community.ubuntu.com/t/next-steps-for-wayland-support/1122
[13:35] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @wayneoutthere, It would have to be organized, timing, who when responsible
 not really.  i'll explain in detail my idea once it's pieced togerther
[13:37] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> OK
 Does anyone has a clue why OMGUBUNTU! does not post a thing about UBports? Is he hurt, in some way, with UBports? 😐
 @Gabigol, I don't know. But Joey seems interested in desktop. Likely UBports is mostly off his radar. Why not offer a guest post?
[13:47] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> It could be, and in the past I thought he was engaged
 Ubuntu touch could one of the best smartphone OS in near future 😊
 Fixing this before android could be a good point IMO https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/303
 @garrogarri, Yup
 Hello guys! I left Nexus 5 in standby with Ubuntu at 3% battery. After half an hour I find it at 11% ... Explanations? (without charging)
 magic✨
 @GiovanniStaiano, New Ut feature 😊
 lol, maybe bug
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/lKGSYE1J/file_1531
 Now 12%
 ugh
 @sk8higher, Maybe battery is degrading
 @GiovanniStaiano, Ubuntu power XD😂
 (Sticker, 512x92) https://irc.ubports.com/FnY10hVf/file_1532
 There were battery bugs in past but got fixed I u think. Maybe it's the children of the father bug
 Lol
 If you can maybe report it
 If other people find that problem too it will be looked at
 How can I report it?
 @UniversalSuperBox ^^
 github.com/ubports/ubports-touch/ has everything you'll need!
 Ah, good thing that redirects.
[14:46] <tgBot> dipantan was added by: dipantan
 Welcome @dipantan
 @bastos777, Thank You
 Hi Dipantan Chakraborty and welcome to the UBports Supergroup. I am reaching-out to you so you are able to get set-up rather quickly. … - If you have any questions please ask them directly in this group :). … - Most of your basic answers can be found at www.ubports.com. … - For FAQ please visit https://ubports.com/page/frequently-asked-questions. … - Looking for a way to participate or contribute within development/marketing or in any way? C
[14:55] <tgBot> … - Looking for a press package of spokesperson? Contact @mohannes … - For any other question, remark or just a basic cosy conversation, @mohannes is your guy :) … Hopefully you will have a great time in this UBports Supergroup, a huge and still growing group of Ubuntu Touch fans, participants and developers all together. … Have a nice day!
[15:23] <tgBot> Victor was added by: Victor
 hello Victor
 Victor  welcome to ubports :)
 Hi victor and welcome to the UBports Supergroup. I am reaching-out to you so you are able to get set-up rather quickly. … - If you have any questions please ask them directly in this group :). … - Most of your basic answers can be found at www.ubports.com. … - For FAQ please visit https://ubports.com/page/frequently-asked-questions. … - Looking for a way to participate or contribute within development/marketing or in any way? Contact @mohann
[15:27] <tgBot> for a press package of spokesperson? Contact @mohannes … - For any other question, remark or just a basic cosy conversation, @mohannes is your guy :) … Hopefully you will have a great time in this UBports Supergroup, a huge and still growing group of Ubuntu Touch fans, participants and developers all together. … Have a nice day!
 Poor @Mohannes 😅
 Lol I copied from above😂
 @Pawangond, The reason to delete the bot was to not get this huge message. 😝
 OK, so here is what we are working on to help with this situation.  We are planning on launching a First Responders team whose mission it is to PM new members with greetings and salutations.
 Okay I will send daily once in the morning
 @Crash_Burn, 🤣🤣
 This will solve a couple issues.  Keep chatter off the main group while maintaing a consistant experience with new users.
 Instead of $name it will be Hello Newbies
 We will be launching shortly and will be looking for anyone that would like to be a First Responder to help with this.
 @Pawangond, That can be done by a bot 😁
 Not quite as human or friendly, though/
 The ultimate goal is to show people that we're here to help and welcome them in, in the hopes that they will want to work with us at some point in return.
 Once a new user joins, it will be the job of a First Responder to start up a conversation with new user and provide any help/guidance they might need.
 @Crash_Burn, Nice idea btw
 We would like to create some common themes and a unified message to maintain brand image and success for UBports.
 @Crash_Burn, I can help.
 Our community is incredible and super helpful.  So proud of all you guys.
 PM me with comments and interest.
 Fix my tree for me and show your help. 😂
 @UniversalSuperBox, We might need to create a super ai whose goal is to help ubports and then the ai grows intelligent enough to make his human body and transform from only ai to a human being . And his sole purpose of existance is to greet people in the group and help newbies. 😁
 @TheImpulson, Have you tried a chainsaw?
 And if anyone needs suggestions or anything , can pm me , I have super good choice😊
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/xuZW9Rxm/file_1533.mp4
 Z00L still gives me bootloops
 😶
 It's good it is giving you something and not taking away🙄
 @Pawangond, I liked the joke. but in seriousness It is taking away the time. 😁
 Would it be prudent to make some sort of 'Sudoku task force' for solving problems with making 16.04 running on 7.1? @vanyasem @TheImpulson?
 @UniversalSuperBox, Define Sudoku again as you did earlier but to me.
 er...
 Ubports runs on donation or there are sponsors or anything else
 You said you were getting boot loops?
 Yes. So?
 On what?
 Z00L
 @Pawangond, https://ubports.com/page/sponsors shows how we're funded. :)
 @TheImpulson, But what are you trying to run on it?
 Halium
 Oh, just the reference rootfs? In that case, @halium is the place to be.
 I am there and I am told how to fix it too. I am just lazy to do a build and make it work. 🤐
 oh.
 I love Android more so I build ROM more.
 Z00L aka Asus Zenfone 2 Laser ?
 Yes.
 cool
 oh it's intel?
 [ROM][7.1.2_r29][OFFICIAL][Z00T]  AospExtended ROM V4.6 [OMS/DUI] … https://forum.xda-developers.com/zenfone-2-laser/development/rom-aospextended-rom-v4-5-t3659324
 No Qcom
 @TheImpulson, This is one of my XDA thread.
 oh
 :D
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/gTuL5eDk/file_1534.mp4
 Hi all :)
 I have some trouble installing ubport on my fairphone 2.
 I am using the ubport installer appimage on fedora. Most of the processus goes well, but when i put my phone into recovery mode, my laptop can't find it anymore
 Does it boot to "ubports recovery"?
 "Adb device" prints nothing.
 Yes, it does
 Alright
 Can you run `dmesg -w` and then plug in the device?
 And let's see what prints out at the end
[16:08] <ioioio> Hi, does Touch work nowadays with LTE in the US?
 On a device that supports US LTE bands, sure
[16:10] <ioioio> So, there shouldn't be issues with my provider in the US?
 If the device supports the bands for the network, yes
 It's hardware support, not software
[16:10] <ioioio> So, as long as I have a supported smartphone then it should work...I see. Thanks. Lots has changed
 Right. The Nexus 5 is a generally good option if you need CDMA... at least I think the Nexus 5 has a CDMA radio
 I actually don't have one to test
[16:12] <ioioio> K, thanks <3
 Did you get that running at all, Victor ?
 Yeah, sorry, got distracted in the worst possible moment
 I'm reinstalling right now
 @Victor, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 Yup, dmesg says the fairphone connects
 Hmm. Just one thing I'd want to try. One moment
 `echo "0x2ae5" >> ~/.android/adb_usb.ini`
 In a terminal
 Then do `adb kill-server` and `adb devices` again
 "no such file or directory"
 Oh. `mkdir ~/.android` first.
 yep, it worked
 Thank you :)
 Oh, and now you're able to install too?
 It's installing. We'll see if it finishes
 I have crumy internet, it might take a while
 @Crash_Burn, According to the rules an unauthorised pm = spam. Sending a pm to ask if it us okay to send a pm = spam 😂
 sudo export send-pm_if_user_allows := true
 Okay, the installation worked. I now have a ubuntu devcie and it gorgeous :)
 Thank you
 Yay! files bug
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/e8GJ2uuh/file_1535.mp4
 Is the openStore supposed to be the place I get apps ?
 I get pure white. Nothing in the store :(
 Victor you need an active internet connection
 for the store to work
 Well, I'm connected to wifi
 check in the browser if it actually works :D
 yes, i can browse the internet
 @Victor, restart open store or better restart the phone after first boot.
 Done multple times already :(
 I have the same issue. Sometimes I have to restart the apps to get them running
 Especially internet related apps.
 I had that too, it got the tip to
 Doesn't work for me.  I'm going to try using  VPN. Maybe I'm in the wrong country
 Ok, the problem was hat the phone though it was january 1970
 classic
 It is. Ubuntu Store will be dismissed by the end of the year
 Victor , which version of UT did you install? 16.04?
 OpenStore uses HTTPS, does not work with wrong date in system
 Yes. I am getting the blue screen bug with the other versions
 Yes, It's working now :)
 Hmm. Just tried to reproduce your error, Victor, but couldn't
 By that I mean, I stood up a fresh install of Fedora and tried to use the AppImage to install UBports on my FP2. Worked flawlessly. :(
 Ok weird. Anything I can do to help ?
 Which version of Fedora are you using?
 26
 up to date and everything
 Did you have adb installed prior to trying it out?
 Can't remember. I tried installing 1 or 2 months ago and got the blue screen bug
 I might have messed up my adb now that you mention it
 Maybe that's what happened. I'll keep it in mind for next time.
 Well... now I have an install of Fedora.
 Hehe, sorry :P
 Not a problem! I needed to get the ol' convertible going anyway
 (Sticker, 357x512) https://irc.ubports.com/7s06DZ4n/file_1536.webp
 @Stereofont, we need to chill out here.  Picture this, you're at a cocktail party and you don't know *anyone*.  There are 900 people in the room.  Will you be angry if the nice person walks up and says 'May I show you where the buffet table is?" Or, 'May I take you to the group of people who like weather and sports?"  No, you will be very happy and feel good.  So this is not spam.   New rule book.
[18:56] <tgBot> <Marty McFly> I can install java normally?
[18:56] <tgBot> <Marty McFly> I want to use i2p router anybody tried?
[18:57] <xorpad> on ubuntu touch?
[18:57] <xorpad> you'd need to get openjdk-8 running
 Marty you're better off trying to get i2pd running
 it's less mature than the java implementation but it's better suited for a mobile device
 i2pd is a c++ implementation made by mostly psi
[19:05] <xorpad> psi says i2pd depends on libssl and boost... so that should be an easy port
[19:18] <tgBot> <Marty McFly> So how is the way to install? I dont understand. If i try to add the i2pr repository, i get a command not foud message xD
 you would have to compile the dependencies and i2pd and then staticly link them launch the it via the terminal
 it's not ready to go, you'd be building it from sources
 @Marty McFly, With Libertine probably
 keep in mind the i2p java router eats a lot of cpu and ram
 it will be even more power hungry when it has to fall back to java after realizing it can't use it's x86 assembly optimizations
[19:59] <tgBot> <Marty McFly> Ye okay so i would like to try the c++ version. I dont know exactly how compiling is done do you have tutorials for this? I can compile on my tower system and then upload or i need to work on phone? Thanks
 @wayneoutthere, I don't disagree at all. Telegram seems to have some odd ideas though
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 Don't just sit there, sit on the edge of your seats!  … Only  a few hours left until the next Community Update! … https://www.youtube.com/watch?utm_medium=Email&utm_source=UBports+Update%3A&v=O307UePqokY#&ytbChannel=null
 @Stereofont, we've got something cool starting here. Probably we'll announce it... somehow.  maybe i'll send it to community update
 @wayneoutthere, Few hours, 17 hours, no difference! :D
 I've already bitten my fingernails off waiting.  Will you be on, Jan?  If so, the internet will break down from the traffic!
 Yep
 Internet is working again, so it's not a problem
 nice!  I'll have to get logged in first so that I get some bandwidth.  A