[07:53] <kathrin_> Hi guys, any clou on this? I installed 17.10 freshly to "/"  and reused my "/home". Now there's no taskbar, no desktop, no context-menu.
[09:26] <Etua> Hello, I want to install Kubuntu on two hard drives together with Win 7, can you help me with partitioning?
[09:41] <Etua> I'd like to have a separate home partition on another drive
[11:28] <John85> Hey folks :)
[11:56] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:59] <John85> damn connection :(
[11:59] <John85> or something
[12:00] <John85> hi mega :)
[12:01] <John85> think it might be my connection,  trying to download 17.10 and it keeps stalling
[12:01] <John85> i have 2 questions, i know i have asked before,  but forgot to make a note of them
[12:03] <John85> best and easiest to use VPN client and post install update commands :)
[12:11] <John85> meh :(
[12:11] <John85> well,  at least im making progress with my download
[12:13] <BluesKaj> Hi John85, openvpn is the most stable and easily setup vpn client/protocol
[12:14] <John85> ok,  thanks BluesKaj :)
[12:17] <John85> as soon as i get my SSD ill sort all that out, and if i'll probably upgrade to 17.10 as well
[12:21] <BluesKaj> I recommend using a paid vpn service like PIA or Nordvpn, for speed and securiy reasons, quite cheap at 5 bucks US /mos
[12:22] <John85> i was going to use Nord vpn
[12:22] <BluesKaj> good
[12:33] <John85> i best go do some work
[12:33] <John85> bye for now
[12:34] <BluesKaj> ok, later
[13:08] <R13ose> Hi
[13:25] <nsklaus> hi there. anyone tried running pygame app on kde desktop ? here the task manager gets unresponsive for a while even after the pygame app is closed. then after some random time suddenly task-manager starts working again.
[13:27] <nsklaus> as i'm making a small pygame app, i have to launch it often, and so my task-manager is often frozen. i tried other ones, likes latte-docks, icon-only-task-manager, and so on. it's the same problem on all of them.
[13:28] <nsklaus> if this is not the right place to ask such question, could anyone tell me where should i ask ?
[13:35] <clivejo> nsklaus: what version of the KDE desktop?
[13:35] <nsklaus> latest, on artful too
[13:35] <nsklaus> plasma 5.10.95
[13:36] <nsklaus> kde framework 5.38.0
[13:36] <nsklaus> qt 5.9.1
[13:36] <nsklaus> (thanks for the reply, btw :)
[13:38] <clivejo> where did you get 5.10.95 from?
[13:39] <nsklaus> probably a ppa
[13:39] <nsklaus> hold on i can tell the repo,
[13:39] <clivejo> nawty!
[13:39] <clivejo> what game are you trying to run?
[13:40] <nsklaus> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/beta/ubuntu artful main
[13:40] <nsklaus> my own game, i'm making it
[13:41] <nsklaus> i'm following this tutoarial:
[13:41] <nsklaus> https://github.com/kidscancode/pygame_tutorials/tree/master/tilemap/working
[13:42] <nsklaus> so one could run that if needed. but it's the same with other pygame apps too
[13:48] <nsklaus> this ppa i'm using is referenced on kubuntu's site:
[13:48] <nsklaus> https://kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5-11-beta-available-in-unofficial-ppa-for-testing-on-artful/
[13:49] <clivejo> do you have a desktop file to launch it?
[13:49] <nsklaus> no, i just launch it from my ide (sublime text) or atom, or pycharm
[13:49] <nsklaus> or shell
[13:49] <nsklaus> python3 main.py
[13:51] <clivejo> when you say task manager becomes unresponsive, do you mean ksysguard?
[13:53] <nsklaus> i mean, in my panel i have widget 'icon-only-task-manager', but i tried with others too, like normal panel widget 'task-manager' i tried latte-dock too. all produce same result:
[13:54] <clivejo> have you kept ksysguard open while you execute your game?
[13:54] <nsklaus> when i launch my pygame project, they become frozen. even after i quit my pygame project, they are still unresponsive for some time, this can vary: few seconds (as in 30s) or few minutes (5mn for example)
[13:54] <nsklaus> no, i have not kept ksysguard opened
[13:55] <clivejo> sort the process list by CPU and see if there is a run away process
[13:55] <clivejo> or even by memory, could be a memory leak?
[13:55] <nsklaus> ok i'm tried thatnow
[13:55] <nsklaus> *trying
[13:58] <nsklaus> my project is running so far it's stable at: "24%" cpu, and "35 436 kb  memory
[13:58] <clivejo> any other processes acting strangely?
[14:00] <nsklaus> cpu is mostly idle, and chromium is the top memory consumer it seems: 465 400kb .. overall everything seems to run fine
[14:00] <BluesKaj> 0.
[14:00] <nsklaus> uptime says:
[14:00] <nsklaus> 16:00:32 up 10 days, 22:18,  3 users,  load average: 4,00, 2,45, 1,39
[14:00] <nsklaus> things are stable
[14:03] <nsklaus> clivejo: i've just terminated my app, and task-manager is completely frozen
[14:03] <clivejo> anything showing in Ksysguard now?
[14:03] <R13ose> Hi
[14:04] <nsklaus> clivejo: no, it doesn't look like so
[14:04] <R13ose> How do I make the 3/4 white screen go away?
[14:05] <nsklaus> clivejo: task-manager just woke up now
[14:05] <clivejo> nsklaus: very strange, I have never seen that behaviour before.  I used to have an issue when viewing build logs with the browser and task manager going unresponsive, but that was a memory leak
[14:05] <nsklaus> clivejo: btw, ksysguard didn't show any slow down, or memory increasing
[14:06] <nsklaus> clivejo: it would be interesting to know if this happens to others too or just me
[14:06] <clivejo> and would start eating up memory, the slowdown happened when it exhausted my RAM and started filling up Virtual Memory
[14:07] <clivejo> nsklaus: you could try asking in #plasma
[14:07] <nsklaus> clivejo: thanks i go try that
[14:07] <clivejo> but usually apps and games are launched from a desktop file
[14:09] <clivejo> R13ose: white screen?!
[14:09] <R13ose> Yes
[14:09] <clivejo> I don't know of any white screen in Kubuntu
[14:09] <R13ose> Well I got that
[14:10] <clivejo> at what stage?
[14:11] <R13ose> At the desktop stage
[14:11] <clivejo> the wallpaper?
[14:12] <clivejo> is there any way you could capture an image of what you are seeing?
[14:13] <R13ose> How?
[14:13] <clivejo> mobile phone?
[14:13] <R13ose> Sure
[14:15] <R13ose> Where do I upload this?
[14:16] <BluesKaj> R13ose, https://postimages.org/
[14:17] <clivejo> somewhere like https://imgur.com/ or your fav image sharing site
[14:18] <clivejo> then paste the link here so we can see
[14:18] <R13ose> https://postimg.org/image/7edwctrrsr/
[14:19] <clivejo> eakkk
[14:19] <clivejo> does it do that everytime?
[14:19] <clivejo> and when did it start doing that?
[14:19] <R13ose> Nope
[14:20] <R13ose> I am unsure did once awhile back and once a couple of days ago
[14:20] <clivejo> does the login screen appear?
[14:20] <R13ose> I am past that screen
[14:20] <clivejo> or is this before even the login?
[14:21] <R13ose> After logging in
[14:21] <clivejo> so this is between sddm login and getting to the plasma desktop?
[14:21] <R13ose> I am on the desktop
[14:23] <R13ose> When I tried to kill opera browser before got black screen and needed to shut down and turn on again
[14:23] <R13ose> This was a couple of days ago
[14:23] <clivejo> what version of Kubuntu?
[14:23] <R13ose> 17.10
[14:24] <clivejo> clean install?
[14:24] <R13ose> Distro upgrade
[14:24] <clivejo> from ?
[14:24] <R13ose> 17.04
[14:25] <clivejo> some of your config files might have got messed up
[14:26] <R13ose> As I said this happened once awhile back and once a couple of days ago before upgrade
[14:26] <BluesKaj> R13ose, did you update and upgrade your 17.04 packages before doing do-release-upgrade
[14:26] <R13ose> Yes
[14:27] <clivejo> do you use any additional PPA's?
[14:27] <R13ose> How do I know?
[14:29] <R13ose> What command can I use to check that?
[14:29] <nsklaus> see if you have additional repo in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[14:29] <nsklaus> beside default ones
[14:30] <nsklaus> grep -R "ppa" /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[14:32] <nsklaus> clivejo: btw, i can see now it's the whole kde panel that's frozen, not just the task-manager. i did not notice it since i was mostly annoyed by task-manager being unresponsive, but now i see it's the whole panel, not just task-manager.
[14:33] <R13ose> Here is the output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25836928/
[14:33] <nsklaus> R13ose: so the answer is yes: you do use PPAs
[14:35] <clivejo> and a lot of them :/
[14:35] <R13ose> So
[14:35] <nsklaus> R13ose: you seem to have mixed versions too, i see some for xenial, some for yakkety, wily ..
[14:36] <R13ose> How do I get rid of old ones?
[14:36] <nsklaus> zesty ..
[14:36] <nsklaus> R13ose: you could use ppa-purge i guess
[14:36] <R13ose> No automatic way?
[14:37] <nsklaus> you added them one by one, you remove them one by one, using ppa-purge for example.
[14:37] <R13ose> Is that going to fix my problem?
[14:39] <clivejo> I don't even know what the problem is, but will all those extra packages installed, with different versions, it makes figuring out the problem very difficult
[14:39] <nsklaus> R13ose: i haven't followed earlier chat, i don't know about your particular problem, i just saw you asking "how do one can confirm if using ppa..
[14:39] <clivejo> nsklaus: a white screen https://postimg.org/image/7edwctrrsr/
[14:39] <clivejo> after login, but before plasma desktop
[14:40] <R13ose> No.  This is on the plasma desktop
[14:40] <R13ose> What ppa's, do I not remove, zesty?
[14:41] <nsklaus> R13ose: try to create a new user, then log into this new user, see if your session starts normaly or not
[14:42] <R13ose> Don't I have to log out?
[14:42] <nsklaus> it's a quick way to diagnose if it's a general problem (your linux install) or just a configuration problem (just your user and all the scripts and settings in your home)
[14:42] <R13ose> The issue is random so a new user might not show this
[14:42] <nsklaus> you could try to switch user (it will not terminate your session but open an additional one).
[14:43] <R13ose> How?
[14:43] <nsklaus> Kde menu>power/session>switch user
[14:44] <nsklaus> if you cannot access this then you could alway start a root terminal session with ctrl+alt+f1 or f2, or f3 ...
[14:45] <nsklaus> from there you can kill X if needed, add a new user, and/or restart the system
[14:47] <R13ose> Lets try to kill x, unless there is shortcut to switch user
[14:47] <nsklaus> it will probably try to restart on its own after being killed
[14:48] <R13ose> How to do that?
[14:48] <nsklaus> it will do it on its own after being killed
[14:48] <nsklaus> most probably
[14:49] <R13ose> I need command to kill it
[14:50] <nsklaus> ah
[14:50] <nsklaus> ps -aux |grep X  <-- this will give you the pid of X
[14:51] <nsklaus> then sudo kill -9 (insert the pid here)
[14:51] <nsklaus> for example: $ sudo kill -9 1020
[14:52] <nsklaus> pid stands for process id
[14:55] <R13ose> Yes that worked but did this really solve my white screen problem maybe not
[14:57] <nsklaus> R13ose: you maybe could try the newly created user for a while and see if the problem happens for him too
[14:57] <nsklaus> if yes: you have bigger problem.
[14:58] <nsklaus> if not: seems it's mostly a problem in your user settings
[14:59] <nsklaus> *most probably
[14:59] <R13ose> I have one root user and one basic user
[15:00] <nsklaus> sudo adduser joe
[15:01] <nsklaus> then try using your system as joe, for a while
[15:01] <R13ose> Okay
[15:02] <nsklaus> try keeping joe session vanilla, don't customize too much
[15:04] <bobOnTheHill> I have a new machine with Windows 10 installed.  I added another disk with Kubuntu 14 installed and successfully dual booted both, by tweaking the BIOS settings to support both UEFI and legacy.  I would like to upgrade it to Kubuntu 16.4 either by an upgrade process or wiping out the Kubuntu disk.   I want to avoid dual-boot software and just use B
[15:04] <bobOnTheHill> IOS to choose the disk I want to boot from.   Typically when I did this I disconnected the disk where Windows is installed, then install Kubuntu on to its own disk.  That's what I want to do know.   Install Kubuntu without Windows drive plugged in, get Kubuntu up and running, and then use BIOS to switch between the systems.  The question I have is
[15:04] <bobOnTheHill> whether this will change state or EUFI related keys on the BIOS such that Windows won't start up after I installed Kubuntu.   Does Kubuntu install tweak BIOS with its own UEFI keys?
[15:05] <oerheks> !uefi
[15:06] <bobOnTheHill> I did.
[15:07] <bobOnTheHill> It didn't clarify the question I have.   Does a Kubuntu install change state on the BIOS?   Forums imply as much, in that after Kubuntu installs Windows 10 aren't found.
[15:08] <oerheks> no, but if you have win dows in uefi, and kubuntu not, that is most likely the isssue: install kubuntu in uefi mode too
[15:08] <oerheks> or keep changing the uefi/legacy boot in your bios
[15:08] <R13osieinthemidd> Thanks I am out
[15:13] <bobOnTheHill> Kubuntu 14 is working fine.   I just want to nuke it, and give a fresh install of 16.4.   If I install kubuntu in uefi mode, will new keys be put in BIOS that Windows doesn't recognize?   There are lots of forums where people did this and lost the ability to get back to Windows 10?
[15:16] <oerheks> No, not in the bios, but on the uefi partition, see the manual
[15:16] <oerheks> and really, lost windows 10? sounds like they did something wrong, basicly. cannot answer that.
[15:20] <bobOnTheHill> Yes.   Lots of people installed Ubuntu or Kubuntu after installing Windows 10 with UEFI, but couldn't get back to Windows 10.  Ok, if the BIOS is not altered, what happens in the UEFI partition?
[15:21] <oerheks> people don't complain on forums when it works.
[15:22] <bobOnTheHill> Uh huh.
[15:23] <oerheks> you have a non standard situation, 2 disks, where most issues are happening on a single hdd/ssd
[15:34] <bobOnTheHill> google "windows 10 not working after installing ubuntu".   Lot's of people rely on BIOS settings to do dual boot, since it's clean and it minimizes one OS vendor's need to coordinate with another.   My approach is to remove the Windows disk physically and start from scratch.  So no UEFI partition is on board when I install Kubuntu on a fresh and di
[15:34] <bobOnTheHill> fferent disk.   If I can install 16.4 using legacy boot it sounds safe, since the disk with the original UEFI partition is not connected, and if the installation does not change BIOS.
[16:55] <anonimus> buonasera
[17:25] <samuel_> hi
[17:26] <samuel_> i am using wifi to connect to internet
[17:26] <samuel_> my connection seems to be very slow
[17:27] <samuel_> So I tried to analyse my network using iptraf.
[17:27] <samuel_> It is showing
[17:27] <samuel_> ─────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐
[17:27] <samuel_> │ UDP (67 bytes) from 127.0.0.1:53578 to 127.0.1.1:53 on lo                    │
[17:27] <samuel_> │ UDP (245 bytes) from 127.0.1.1:53 to 127.0.0.1:53578 on lo                   │
[17:27] <samuel_> │ UDP (245 bytes) from 127.0.1.1:53 to 127.0.0.1:53578 on lo                   │
[17:28] <krytarik> Like I said, use a pastebin.
[17:28] <krytarik> !paste
[17:29] <samuel_> i am new to irc
[17:29] <samuel_> sorry for that
[17:29] <samuel_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25838118/
[17:30] <samuel_> please help me
[19:50] <deeno> I am excited about the coming of Plasma 5.12
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