[01:10] <swift110> hey all
[02:45] <rodrigo> oi
[02:45] <rodrigo> alguem aki
[02:45] <rodrigo> _
[08:45] <cyberalex4life> Hi guys, I am on Ubuntu Mate Xenial (16.04.3) and I have some issue setting the ssd in fstab. more precisely, / looks like this: 'UUID=e777aaa5-031c-41b9-8082-ffe5f30de7ec /               ext4    errors=remount-ro        0       1'
[08:45] <cyberalex4life> but if I add noatime the partition becomes read only
[08:45] <gordonjcp> mmm
[08:46] <gordonjcp> can you post the fstab entry once you've modified it?
[08:47] <cyberalex4life> I should be using some service, right, please remind me which that was
[08:47] <gordonjcp> no idea
[08:47] <gordonjcp> pretty sure the options column ought to be "default,noatime,errors=remount-ro"
[08:48] <cyberalex4life> https://paste.ubuntu.com/25835143/
[08:48] <cyberalex4life> Default root is exactly as I gave you
[08:49] <cyberalex4life> I'm gonna try what you said
[08:50] <cyberalex4life> rebooting...
[09:01] <m4t> erm it's the space in the options column
[09:07] <m4t> erm it's the space in the options column
[09:07] <m4t> cyberalex4life:
[09:07] <m4t> "defaults,noatime" not "defaults, noatime"
[09:07] <m4t> fstab is whitespace delimited
[09:11] <cyberalex4life> m4t, I understand, this must be it, I became a bit rusty since staying on SuSE Leap (where I have been doing this in the graphical install)
[09:11] <m4t> heh
[09:12] <m4t> yeah
[09:14] <cyberalex4life> thanks guys for quick action!
[09:47] <gordonjcp> cyberalex4life: to be honest it's probably not really worth setting noatime
[09:48] <gordonjcp> cyberalex4life: relatime has been the default for the better part of a decade
[09:55]  * m4t still sets it
[10:09] <cyberalex4life> So, using defaults I already have relatime?
[10:13] <m4t> yeah. relatime is still a lot of extra iop's though
[10:16] <cyberalex4life> I have another question mark (?), This is a brand new ADATA SU700 120 GB (3D NAND), and my disks show some undefined smart attributes and a lot of Uncorrectable errors each time different (some times even with minus), see pictures https://www.dropbox.com/sh/23csag5ply468yh/AAA9hXwoh1UbeEg90pSISkRWa?dl=0
[10:19] <cyberalex4life> Also the Short Self test appears never to end while for the HDD it ends faster
[10:24] <cyberalex4life> Do you think there's something bad out there (others complained on samsung SSD for example)? Can I fix this in Linux
[10:24] <cyberalex4life> ?
[10:25] <m4t> smartmontools (maybe not the gui one you're using) relies on a database of drive names/attribute meanings
[10:26] <m4t> probably the program you're using (is it gsmart?) doesn't have that drive in it
[10:27] <m4t> you could do 'apt-get install smartmontools' then try 'smartctl -a /dev/sda' or whichever your drive is
[10:27] <m4t> if that still shows wrong attributes then do something like: wget 'https://www.smartmontools.org/export/4571/trunk/smartmontools/drivedb.h'
[10:28] <m4t> sudo mv /var/lib/smartmontools/drivedb/drivedb.h /var/lib/smartmontools/drivedb/drivedb.h.orig
[10:28] <m4t> sudo mv drivedb.h /var/lib/smartmontools/drivedb/drivedb.h
[10:28] <m4t> then try again with smartctl -a /dev/sda
[10:30] <m4t> i actually recently got a new ssd myself, and not even the latest drivedb.h from smartmontools.org had it listed. i ended up running the manufacturer utility in windows, exporting the smart attributes, then manually adding an entry with the attributes to drivedb.h
[10:47] <cyberalex4life> m4t, I understand
[12:21] <jrj> YAY - They have fixed the SuperKey for Mate Adv.Menu
[12:36] <jrj> Fixed on 17.04
[12:46] <alkisg> Do you mean that now the windows key opens the (advanced) menu?
[12:46] <jrj> alkisg: yes
[12:46] <alkisg> Nic
[12:46] <alkisg> Nice
[12:46] <jrj> If you add the Adv.Menu (and remove the standard menu)
[12:46] <jrj> Then the default shotcut is SuperKey
[12:47] <jrj> In 16.04 it also says it the same hey - it just do not work
[12:47] <jrj> However i made a workaround
[12:47] <alkisg> Does the standard menu open with the win key?
[12:47] <jrj> nope
[12:48] <jrj> it opens (stardard) with ALT+F1
[12:48] <alkisg> Eh. They should use the same keys...
[12:48] <alkisg> (both alt+f1 and win...)
[12:48] <jrj> On 16.04 i used dconf-editor to change the value from the NON-Working default of "Super_L" to manually entered "<Primary>Escape"
[12:49] <jrj> alkisg: well they dont
[12:49] <alkisg> Ah, maybe the window manager (marco) intercepts super_l in 16.04...
[12:49] <jrj> The above "hack" on 16.04 opens the adv.menu with CTRL+ESCAPE
[12:50] <jrj> alkisg: that might me it - didnt check that
[12:50] <jrj> let me have a look
[12:50] <jrj> I can try changing to Compiz and se
[12:51] <jrj> That was not it
[12:52] <jrj> Ill stick with my CTRL+ESC hotkey until i upgrade to 17.10/18.04
[12:53] <jrj> Looking at "the_googles" alot of people have run into this
[12:53] <jrj> But i can live with this
[12:56] <erle-> use Gnome®, they said
[12:56] <erle-> it's most mature, they said
[12:56] <erle-> https://paste.ubuntu.com/25836284/
[12:57] <erle-> one is on KDE, to be fair
[12:57] <alkisg> Installing multiple DEs can cause issues
[12:58] <jrj> This was also what i wanted to avoid on my new install
[12:58] <erle-> test only started Gnome and only logged in a single time, crash came immediately
[12:59] <jrj> So basically figure out which DE i wanted _before_ reinstalling to avoid having to install more than 1
[13:00] <erle-> I have to reinstall anyway because I want to switch to btrfs, so I use the opportunity to just test all of them
[13:00] <jrj> But i was lucky - i already liked MATE and had onĺy 1 "issue" on 16.04. That have now been fixed in 17.04 and i have a workaround on 16.04
[13:00] <jrj> erle-: sound like sane choice
[13:00] <erle-> I will stick with MATE, but I want to know whats up
[13:00] <erle-> have not used KDE in ten years
[13:00] <jrj> I was also considering testing Ubuntu "Gnome"
[13:01] <jrj> but as the Mate is now "fixed" there is no need for me
[13:01] <jrj> These MANY choises we have is both a blessing and a curse
[13:01] <erle-> I like some things about Gnome, but I hate how they cripple the tools like Nautilus and Gedit
[13:02] <erle-> I don't even dislike the Shell
[13:03] <jrj> Havent even looked into those
[13:03] <gordonjcp> I switched to MATE because they ditched Unity
[13:04] <jrj> I thought it was Nautilus and Terminator (on Mate) but its Caja and Mate-Terminal
[13:11] <erle-> jrj, have you not noticed the differnece?
[13:12] <jrj> erle-: nah, for terminal i just hit the shortcut for launcing it, and have only 1 tab open
[13:12] <erle-> Terminals are the same
[13:12] <jrj> within that i run TMUX or SCREEN
[13:12] <erle-> but Caja vs. Nautilus?
[13:12] <jrj> And to be honest - most of my file-handline i do from the command line as well
[13:12] <erle-> Last week I had to use Redhat Enterprise Desktop for a few hours, it was really nice
[13:13] <erle-> stable and polished
[13:13] <erle-> but old
[13:13] <erle-> not an option for home computing
[13:13] <jrj> erle-: well that is what you get for a corporate desktop
[13:13] <jrj> Nothing fancy - it just have to work. Even the Firefox on that is a ESR
[13:14] <jrj> I actually think - that aside from the WebBrowsing - i could do fine with just a terminal
[13:17] <jrj> My next "testing" would be which editor to use
[13:17] <erle-> I got to Gnome because KDE was crashing all the time
[13:17] <erle-> 2004 or something
[13:17] <jrj> Pluma (as its default on Mate), Gedit, Atom...
[13:17] <erle-> I got to Unity because it was easier to do things keyboard only in 2007 (laptop)
[13:17] <erle-> I got to Mate because they abused Nautilus
[13:19] <jrj> I started with Linux way back
[13:20] <jrj> Actually workes for years with FVWM95 as my desktop, then OpenBox ect ect. Then became RHCE, and used a RHEL desktop for a while at work (no problem if you only need a Browser and a terminal)
[13:21] <jrj> But then i wanted to swithc to linux at home, and it bacame to much work to get stuff working. Then came Ubuntu, but i really didnt like Unity, i wanted my the Gnome2 experience ive gotten used to
[13:22] <jrj> Then had a Run with Mint, Untill MATE came. Then thought, why run a derivative distro, when i can run the source
[13:22] <erle-> I had SuSE/KDE in 2001, Gentoo/Gnome in 2004, Ubuntu/Gnome in 2007 and stuck with Ubuntu
[13:24] <jrj> Now I just want to cut the time wasted on continuously switching and testing the many choices
[13:25] <jrj> Nice to have them - but I think you can easily end up wasting alot of time with miniscule potential gains
[13:46] <jrj> Gedit looke really nice
[13:46] <jrj> like it alot better than Pluma
[14:40] <sergej> привет
[14:50] <Menzador> !ru | sergej
[16:45] <aphrek_2> rt
[19:56] <cyberalex4life> hello, I will ask probably a well known issues (I think!), why marco on compton does not support alt-tab thumbnails? Is it possible to work?
[21:19] <mate|93246> just onboarded ubuntu mate.. issued it an ip over DHCP.. now I am trying to login over ssh.. what is the username and password ?
[21:21] <erle-> there are no default users/passwords
[21:22] <mate|93246> so I can't ssh as my first method to connect to the pi
[21:23] <mate|93246> if thats the case they should do something about that.. now I have to get a screen and keyboard
[22:37] <mate|93246> thanks erle