[00:08] C4rB0n: Any hints in the boot log ' journalctl -b -0 ' ? [00:11] Let me take a look [00:19] Hi guys, I just installed Ubuntu but my computer takes around 4-5 min to start... There is nothing on the log system blame , I think it's a grub problem, but I don't know what I could you, do you have any idea ? thanks :) [00:21] Oct 27 19:44:56 ArcReactor lightdm[3257]: PAM unable to dlopen(pam_kwallet.so): /lib/security/pam_kwallet.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [00:21] Any chance that's the cause of my issue? [00:22] C4rB0n: Nope, do not think that is relavent , [00:23] barul78: you could add nosplash debug to /etc/default/grub [00:23] Removing splash and quiet [00:28] bcowan: I'm sorry, but how should I do that :o :/ [00:30] Hi guys, anybody know a good way of making beautiful GUI programs with GTK3? [00:32] barul78: c'est bien un écran noir après la marque de ton laptop/pc qui s'éternise, pas avant? [00:32] oops sry [00:32] c'est bien un écran noir après la marque de ton laptop/pc qui s'éternise, pas avant? [00:32] damn i have to manage irssi windows, sry [00:33] barul78: you edit GRUB_ CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT= to that and it will give you a more verbose output for debugging [00:34] barul78: but if you don’t know what you’re looking for it probably won’t help ): [00:35] I'm a beginer in Ubuntu, I've no idea why it's that's long... I was on windows before, and it worked fine... [00:37] barul78: if everything boots up and runs, I would doubt it’s grub...sounds like a driver or network hanging [00:38] bcowan: Please pastebin the output of "systemd-analyze blame" for us to see. [00:40] bcowan: As well as the output of just "systemd-analyze". [00:42] barul78: what Jordan_U just said [00:42] Yeah I'm on it :) [00:44] https://pastebin.com/RnViJiBP [00:48] I popped into the channel yesterday to see if this was a known bug, but I'm still unsure on how to solve it. Has anyone had any issues with the Nvidia drivers causing a login loop? [00:53] Jordan_U: ? [00:55] I don’t see anything wrong there [00:55] barul78: tu as des périphériques connectés? (dd externe, autres DD, autres écrans, un device branché (hdmi/vga)? [00:55] How about systemd-analyze [00:56] oops again really srty === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang [00:58] bcowan: nothing out, finisihed in 3.2 sec [00:59] barul78: What do you see during boot? Can you post a video of it? [01:00] Hi, how should I report problems with programs which are not translated in Artful? [01:01] bcowan: he got nothing > 8sec on systemd-analyse blame and no additions devices plugges, he got a long black screen after manufacturer logo [01:01] Jordan_U: The brand name of my computer is slower than usually (around 30 sec) then a black screen for around 3/4 min then, ubuntu is starting, and the computer is fast and how it should be [01:05] barul78: Can you be on IRC from another computer while we test some things that need interaction during boot? [01:05] Yeah I'm on a other computer right now [01:07] barul78: OK. On the computer in question, run the following: echo "timeout=30" | sudo tee /boot/grub/custom.cfg [01:07] barul78: Do *not* try to "fix" the command to grub.cfg, that would be wrong and bad. [01:09] Jordan_U: done [01:10] barul78: Actually make that: echo "timeout=30; timeout_style=menu" | sudo tee /boot/grub/custom.cfg [01:10] barul78: (You can just run the new command after having run the old one) [01:10] barul78: That should ensure that grub waits at the menu for 30 seconds during boot, and that you actually see it (as opposed to timeout_syle=hidden). [01:11] barul78: From there, we can access the grub shell and do some tests. [01:11] So, I solved my problem. turns out I needed to run it through an ssh connection to my own machine. [01:11] That makes X11 work in wayland, for some reason. [01:12] Jordan_U: Then I restart ? [01:12] barul78: Yes. And first, just let it be and time how long it takes to boot between the countdown finishing and full boot. Also time how long it takes for the grub menu to show up after pressing the power button. === KindTwo is now known as KindOne [01:14] Guys are there any downsides to using something like electron to make gui apps? [01:14] Why do people still program using GTK with something as easy as electron? [01:17] Jordan_U: Brand of computer get off after 43 sec, black screen for 1:20 more, then 1:20 for the grub to show up and 55 sec after I press enter to have the loging screen [01:17] pennTeller, good question for #ubuntu-offtopic [01:17] pennTeller: because the applications are huge, and slower than non-javascript applications. [01:18] bazhang, thank you sorry about that [01:18] limbo_, that makes sense [01:18] np [01:22] how can i tell the version of ubuntu running from the shell? uname -a isn't helpful enough.. [01:23] jiqiren: lsb_release -a [01:23] Jordan_U: nice, thank you [01:23] jiqiren: You're welcome. [01:25] barul78: Interesting. What version of Ubuntu are you using? What model computer? [01:26] is there a guide about why there are so many kernel options? aws/gcp/goldfish/etc [01:27] Maybe his drive is acting up?? [01:27] Jordan_U: 16.04.3 Toshiba Radius 14 L40W-c wich worked perfectly fine with windows a few hours ago :'( [01:27] barul78: Did the LiveUSB you used to install take a long time to boot as well? [01:29] i'm trying to get an unattended 16.04LTS install going [01:29] Jordan_U: Yeah for some step it was kinda long. But for the installation it was as usual [01:29] Everything works fine until I boot up the server, i'm stuck at FSCK. [01:29] Is there a way to disable fsck on bootup through preseeds? [01:29] jiqiren: Where are you seeing the kernel parameters aws/gcp/goldfish ? [01:30] barul78: To be clear, that's during one step of booting? [01:31] Jordan_U: i'm just looking at all the different mixes of kernels: https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/kernel/ [01:32] Jordan_U: the step when I was supposed to choose if I install in dual boot, erase my HD, or choose how to manage my HD, it took more than 5 min [01:35] barul78: How long did booting the LiveUSB take? [01:36] Really fast, juste a few second when I boot on the usb [01:36] barul78: OK. Please boot from the LiveUSB, confirm that it only takes a few seconds to get to the grub menu, then at the grub menu press "c" to get to the grub shell. [01:40] barul78: Then at the grub shell run "ls -l" to list your partitions and information about them. Try to find the partition your root filesystem is on. (It will be an ext4 partition on a drive with two other partitions, and will most likely be (hd1,gpt2) ). [01:42] barul78: And if anything is unclear please ask for clarification. I'm being pretty terse and technical, but you seem to be following so far :) [01:43] Jordan_U: I couldn't acces the the BIOS to boot on the usb, it took a lot of time (black screen) then I was on a gnu grub cosole... [01:44] barul78: How did you access your boot firmware screens when you booted from the USB drive the first time? [01:45] Jordan_U: I was able to access to my BIOS pressing f2 before... [01:45] Jordan_U: I entered the ls -l and my computer is now freezing... [01:48] Oh it moved [01:48] barul78: I'm not sure what to make of not being able to access your boot firmware menus anymore. Sounds like for whatever reason your boot firmware is now taking a really long time to acccess disk drives. My guess is that it's not "frozen" so much as taking a really long time. And I don't think it's grub that's slow. [01:51] Jordan_U: I got hd0,apple2 / hd0,apple1 / hd0,msdos2 / hd1,gpt3 gpt2 gpt1 [01:53] Is there a way to delete everything and install something clean ?! I thought by erasing the disk with the Ubuntu installation it will be clean :/ [01:53] barul78: But this is still presumably from grub booting from your internal drive. I was hoping for a test with your USB drive. But it seems that something has changed with your boot firmware. Are you sure that you haven't changed any boot firmware settings other than the boot order? [01:53] hello, I have a new low quality laptop which is fairly close to my router and my wifi keeps on hanging on that laptop - other wifi devices in the same room work [01:53] correctly without any problems with maximum wifi range - by hanging I mean - I use Internet and ocassionally it simply stops working but it keeps on trying to connect to a website and doesn't show me that I'm disconnected. Could anyone help me diagnose the problem? [01:53] I have tried adding google's DNSes to make sure that it's not that [01:54] Jordan_U: Yeah I'm sure about that, I know I pay attention to touch anything else than the boot order because I don't know what are the other things for [01:56] barul78: Run "reboot" at the grub shell, then boot Ubuntu normally, then pastebin the output of "find /boot/efi/" then run "sudo grub-install --removable" and pastebin the new output of "find /boot/efi/". I'm trying to prepare your Ubuntu install so that it can still boot after resetting your boot firmware back to factory defaults, which I think might be a good thing to try. [01:57] barul78: I need to leave pretty soon, but I will probably be back tomorrow and may drop in later tonight as well. [01:58] greetings plebs [01:59] Jordan_U: Can I get your mail to send you the result of the find ? Maybe if you could have any idea of my problem ? I don't want to bother you more than what you did for me today ^^ [01:59] what did you brake [02:00] is there a convenient way to configure ubuntu to auto start nginx/mysql/php-fpm? [02:00] barul78: I prefer sticking to IRC, and I have a server connected to IRC 24x7. [02:00] I mean by running some command [02:00] UniFreak, aadd them to startup [02:00] UniFreak, its ubuntu thers a gui for that lol [02:01] gogeta, I have no gui installed [02:01] Jordan_U: My computer is not booting on ubuntu... I got a BusyBox console with (initramfs)... [02:01] oh then i gotta rember the file you add the command to one sec [02:02] gogeta, I know where to add [02:02] I'm just trying to find a easier way [02:02] UniFreak, crontab -e [02:03] UniFreak, simply add the commands you what at startup[ [02:03] isn't it init.d ? [02:03] UniFreak, sudo contrib -e if you whant super user commands [02:04] confrib is like a startup file [02:04] for cli [02:05] its easer then dealing with systemd int.d is no more [02:05] otherwise you need to make startup service scripts etc [02:06] barul78: Is the Ubuntu install USB still plugged in? If so, then try removing it then running "reboot". [02:09] UniFreak, eg program@reboot [02:10] Jordan_U: "sda2 contains a file system wuth errors check forced" "UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY" "fsck ecited with status code 4" [02:11] UniFreak, @reboot /path_to_you_file/your_file [02:11] UniFreak, contrib is that easy [02:11] barul78: Sounds like your hard drive may be dying, or maybe a cable is loose. [02:12] Jordan_U: much more a material problem for you ? [02:12] barul78: If you're asking me if it seems more like a hardware problem than a software problem at this point, I would say yes it seems more likely to be hardware. [02:13] barul78: I don't know why the problem wasn't presenting itself before. [02:13] barul78, yea you ddont get those roors all the time unless the drive is giving up [02:14] Jordan_U: Ok, do you know if this kind of stuff works with my warranty ? [02:15] Can I try to plug an other HD to see if it boot well and to know if my HD is the problem ? [02:16] barul78, you can test the drive with smart or badblocks or any other tool [02:16] barul78, there is a few [02:17] barul78, or hddscan [02:18] barul78, running a alt os should have no effect on your warrenty [02:18] gogeta Athe name you're saying are the same kind of software ? Or on is better ? [02:18] All the name* === KindTwo is now known as KindOne [02:20] barul78, the badblocks scan will sell you [02:20] tell [02:20] barul78, if you have bad blcks that mean the drive is going under [02:22] barul78, the first thing you can do is this sudo fsck -fy /dev/sda2 [02:24] barul78, and if the problem comes back then go for the bad block checking [02:24] gogeta did it, it did a lot of things and find a lot of error [02:25] Gonna check my disk with a tools tomorow [02:25] barul78, did you shutdown unclean [02:25] barul78, that will cause errors [02:26] My computer was freezing a lot after installing ubuntu, I think something gone wrong during the instalation. [02:26] barul78, yea a ba f [02:26] I have to leave, I'll pray for my computer x) [02:27] barul78, yes a bad iso will do that [02:27] Thanks you a lot for your help gogeta and Jordan_U :D wish you the best ! [02:27] gogeta: but I took it from the french ubuntu website :o [02:27] How can it be bad ?! [02:28] barul78, it happens sometimes they just get cruppted when there uploadd [02:28] barul78, why they include md5 hash to check them with [02:29] That really strange... When it is launch, it works perfectly... [02:29] Really quick and fine.. [02:30] I'll try a new installation tomorow :/ [02:30] if this only started after your install i would say bad iso [02:30] at least first [02:30] if a fresh new iso does not fix it thn\ [02:31] then move on to hardware [02:31] or some sort of driver issue [02:32] likly you killing it from freezing up is what messed up your file system [02:33] Yeah I'll do that thanks a lot guys ! Have a nice day : [02:33] !md5sum | barnito [02:33] barnito: To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM [02:48] It seems that apt has changed its behaviour in downloading InRelease files [02:48] When they fail to download, it aborts fetching the source entirely [02:51] Hey there everyone [02:51] Anyone here experience issues with firefox 56? === jstevewhite is now known as stwhite === stwhite is now known as jstevewhite [03:00] I been using the nightly build, it's pretty awesome, way better than the current stable release [03:09] bad ram and overclocking are the most likely causes for bad downloads and strange issues. everyone thinks their overclock is totally stable, but eventually they run into something that acts weird. [03:12] I once saw a machine that they swore worked fine for months. then one day a certain zip file extract always said crc error. tried on another machine, was fine. tried that one, crc error. reset default clock speed, worked [03:13] i cant for the life of me figure out how to enable desktop sharing in ubuntu 17.10 [03:14] cannot turn on the "screen sharing" option, seems to be because there is no network, even though i have a network connection [03:14] anyone? [03:14] malkauns, did you turn in the on/off switch at the top right? [03:14] yep [03:14] that's on [03:14] works for me [03:14] wish that helped :) [03:14] the last thing you wanna hear eh? sorry [03:15] it says "No networks selected for sharing" but it doesnt offer me any options [03:16] malkauns, http://pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=119819 [03:18] hmmm [03:18] yea i dont get that [03:35] hello guys could someone recommend some programs to increase the security of a desktop ubuntu? [03:41] I don't know too many but I can recommend tor, a good vpn, and a variety of browswer addons like https everywhere, noscript and the like [03:47] are there any good free VPNs? Toadisattva [03:54] I'm sure there are, I use a paid vpn personally privateinternetacess is the one I use, I've used tunnelbears free app, but it only gives you like 500 megs per month per email address [04:12] I figured out what my login loop issue was [04:12] update-alternatives was pointing to Nvidia and not mesa [04:58] can somebody help me with the problem of changing keyboard layout shortcuts in ubuntu 17.10. I used to use alt + shift to change layouts, and also use ctrl + alt + shift + for other useful keybindings. Now I cannot use ctrl + alt +shift + key, until i change my layout changing keybind to something like Super + space [04:59] In ubuntu 17.04 everything was ok, until upgrade. Can I have alt + shift for changing keyboard layout and still have my ctrl+alt+shift+... keybindings working? [05:11] im looking a real noobish picture package that can automatic import new pictures of a photo camera to nautilus, for an older person [05:43] I need some networking help. I made this diagram http://paste.opensuse.org/view/raw/a85b467f . In the diagram R1 is my ubuntu PC with 2 interfaces one USB ethernet interface and One normal Ethernet wired interface (another NIC). THe PC receives internet from the USB interface I want to make my PC give another network with DHCP and route this network to the USB network. Is it possible? [05:50] aiena: maybe the ##networking guys know that? [05:52] lotuspsychje: maybe too [06:02] morning alkisg [06:03] lotuspsychje: anyway found a pretty decent one https://killtacknine.com/building-an-ubuntu-16-04-router-part-1-network-interfaces/ [06:03] Morning lotuspsychje, hi all :) [06:03] o/ alkisg [06:03] !yay | aiena [06:03] aiena: Glad you made it! :-) [06:03] aiena: ah, you still didn't manage to do it from the GUI? [06:04] alkisg: hmm need to test another time [06:04] now internet aint broke so can test only when internet is broke [06:04] was just exploring the routing theory [06:05] I had studied networking but the kind of networking you use in SOHO is totally different. [06:05] The basics are the same but you use commodity routers and stuff [06:05] There are 2 basic methods, one with bridging and one with nat/masquerade, the second one is more flexible [06:06] network-manager supports both of them === el is now known as hel [06:09] my software updater crashed in the middle of downloading updates and now I can't complete my updates (i'm assuming it has to do with the incompleted download) [06:09] I'm not sure how to go about fixing this [06:09] tx05: can you still enter system? [06:10] tx05: open a terminal, write `sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade`, and post the output to pastebin [06:11] i can....i'm on it right now [06:13] alkisg: is dist-upgrade really necessary here? [06:13] aiena: dist-upgrade means "normal upgrade", not "do-release-upgrade" [06:14] It doesn't go to a new ubuntu version [06:14] oh [06:14] is it same as "apt-get upgrade" [06:14] In recent apt versions, it got renamed to "full-upgrade" [06:14] No, apt-get upgrade is "small upgrade, sometimes broken" [06:14] It shouldn't really be used [06:14] It updates the system with the restriction of not installing new dependencies [06:15] hmm so what is the difference between the two? [06:15] ah like "patch" in other distro's [06:15] So newer package versions that do need new dependencies, aren't updated [06:15] No idea about other distros :) [06:15] yeah other distros is fairly subjective too :P [06:15] other means each distro has its own way [06:16] https://pastebin.com/Fhc8yNV4 [06:16] ubuntu is close to deb but rpm based are totally different. [06:16] aiena apt-get update [06:16] apt-get dist-upgrade [06:17] terminal sudo su [06:17] pass [06:17] and fly [06:17] Dreaman: I think that is for tx05 but that was already suggested [06:17] ok [06:17] Dreaman: I prefer "sudo -i" instead of countrless sudo's [06:17] tx05: sudo rm /var/cache/oracle-jdk8-installer/jdk-8u151-linux-x64.tar.gz; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [06:17] i not use [06:18] tx05: this is some other issue [06:18] you can run "apt-get clean" [06:18] `sudo su` is bad, it leaves the user environment in the root session [06:18] It's like sudo without -i, which is equally bad [06:18] apt-get autoclean [06:18] Or su without the dash, - [06:18] apt-get autoremove [06:18] what's the issue? I'm slowly trying to learn...i'm brand new to linux [06:18] yeah I noticed [06:19] tx05: the problem is that your java download was broken [06:19] tx05: I think you have a corrupted package or a broken repository [06:19] but broken repo would show other errors [06:19] So the java installer (which isn't an ubuntu package) fails to complete [06:19] I think you java package you downloded is broken [06:19] By removing the broken download, it will redownload it, and hopefully continue [06:19] https://paste.ubuntu.com/25834403/ but this is 17.10 [06:19] only apt [06:20] Dreaman: yes but it is a good practice to avoid sudo su in general [06:20] it may not break apt [06:20] but it can cause problems with other things [06:20] ok [06:20] may even mess up application setup [06:21] e.g. it may use the regular users database with the root priviledges [06:21] some user applications may create data in the root home etc. [06:21] big problem [06:21] ok [06:21] lots can go wrong in a not easy to see way [06:21] you can do a simple test to understand the difference [06:22] Or it may make your /home/username/.config/dconf readable only by root, destroying your ability to write application settings :) [06:22] you can type "env" as non root and dump to file. Then you can do "sudo su" and dump "env" to file and then you can do "sudo -i" and dump "env" to file and compare the three [06:22] why linux no viruses in root part [06:22] hahahahaha [06:23] Dreaman: does this command show anything for you? find ~ ! -uid $(id -u) [06:23] It searches your home dir for files not owned by you (e.g. by root) [06:23] just home mey be destroy some one but system is ilusion [06:24] imposable [06:24] "sudo su" is a very bad habit but it is so widespread in tutorials everywhere everyone learns it [06:24] or somthing eng my is not good [06:24] that worked, thanks for the help [06:24] so I cannot blame anyone [06:24] Dreaman: but remember "sudo su" is there for when you really want it. [06:25] Linux always assumes you know what you are doing [06:25] my system my choice [06:25] i am admin [06:25] yes precisely [06:26] hi how can i install GNOME 3.6: with “GNOME Fallback Mode” in ubuntu 16.04 ?i am trying to connect with x2go and would like to see something like https://i.stack.imgur.com/2ZSMr.png [06:26] with power comes great responsibility [06:26] another quick question...I'm on the 16.04 LTS as they are usually recommended....any reason for me to consider 17.10? I just saw it recently came out [06:26] not really sure of the differences thus far [06:26] tx05: I think not sure but they are dropping ubity in 17.10 [06:26] *unity [06:27] but if you are using lubuntu etc. and dont need very new packages then no [06:27] aiena: you still can install unity [06:27] lotuspsychje: I hate unuty I like KDE [06:27] but more than that some of my favourite apps are Qt based so I dont want gtk overhead [06:27] scatterp: gnome flashback isn't very maintained, most of its users moved on to MATE [06:27] so KDE just supports it [06:27] tx05: users choice, if you need LTS or non-LTS? [06:28] alkisg i know [06:28] are there usually major stability issues with non-LTS? [06:28] but kubuntu is essentially ubuntu with another DE [06:28] alkisg good morning also :) [06:28] Good morning [06:28] scatterp: well if you want it anyway, you do `apt install gnome-flashback` [06:28] alkisg if i could make mate look like the image it wouldnt be so bad... [06:28] tx05: not necesary, but LTS in most cases will be the most stable [06:29] lotuspsychje: I admit though the gtk apps can have serious theming issues on KDE [06:29] scatterp: mate looks like that image, yes [06:29] so it can make certain things 'hard' [06:29] alkisg no .. it must be "gnome 3.6" not newer [06:29] scatterp: https://ubuntu-mate.org/gallery/Screenshots/05_ABOUT.png [06:29] alkisg i am using mate now currently but its not themed the same and theres no theme to make it look the same [06:29] scatterp: upload a screenshot, maybe you installed it wrong? [06:30] alkisg i followed your instructions to install it :D [06:30] alkisg 1 sec [06:30] scatterp: I didn't give instructions on how to install mate [06:30] alkisg it looks diffrent already i was experimenting with themes [06:30] I only said that I'm using mate with x2go :) [06:31] alkisg ok that was close enough so i did apt-get install mate and connected [06:31] scatterp: compare the 2 screenshots, flashback and mate: https://i.stack.imgur.com/2ZSMr.png https://ubuntu-mate.org/gallery/Screenshots/05_ABOUT.png [06:31] Do you think they're too different? [06:31] yeah :( [06:31] In which way, the green background? [06:31] ideally i would like unity but thats not possible aparently at least not easy [06:31] You can change the wallpaper :) [06:31] unity is getting abandoned too [06:32] You really want to use not actively maintained envirnments? [06:32] alkisg no thats changeable the windows are a little diffrent also the menu i had problems with its color all the apps were diffrent .. [06:32] alkisg yeah for now [06:32] scatterp: 16.04 has unity support up to 2021 [06:33] xangua: +1 [06:33] !unity [06:33] Unity is the default UI since Ubuntu 11.04. Unity is a shell for GNOME. see http://unity.ubuntu.com. For a GNOME 2-like experience, see !notunity [06:33] scatterp: you asked for gnome, https://blogs.gnome.org/nacho/files/2014/01/gedit4.png ==> now *this* is different :) [06:33] checking [06:33] Gnome 3 changed the windows, with buttons inside the title bar etc [06:33] And unity and gnome-flashback then have to follow suit [06:34] While mate is using the old code base, so it's keeping the old layout [06:34] alkisg that looks like osx ? [06:34] That's just new unity/gnome [06:34] and flashback [06:34] alkisg ideally it would be best if i could install the same ubuntu classic desktop from 12.04 on to 16.04 but i am not even clear what that desktop was ubuntu2d or something [06:35] scatterp: unity-2d was abandoned years ago, you can't use it in 16.04 [06:35] https://imgur.com/a/ioGK4 this is 17.10 my is hybrit is not full unity [06:35] alkisg nothings impossible :) [06:35] scatterp: of course, do you have 10 developers and a million euros to develop it? [06:36] Dreaman oh that looks nice [06:36] yes === hel is now known as el [06:36] scatterp: it's also possible to run unity with vnc without using x2go,if you prefer [06:36] Without searching for unity-2d or anything [06:36] And of course it'll be kind of slow over the network [06:37] alkisg why would it take so much to get an application with built in predefined dependencys to run on a nix based system that does not make sense [06:38] with vnc it does not give me the resolution for various reasons and i am planing to stick with x2go its really amazing tool i like the way they handle compression of data [06:38] scatterp: check out snaps [06:38] scatterp: start making your own distro and then you will understand :) [06:38] I completely agree that x2go is better,that's why i proposed it to you [06:39] ok so excluding the ubuntu 12.x unity or what ever thing [06:39] i need to install gnome 3.6 with fallback ... [06:39] I already answered that, it's apt install gnome-flashback [06:40] alkisg that will iinstall flashback (slightly diffrent) and a much newer gnome [06:40] flashback is the new name for fallback [06:40] hi , i updated to ubuntu 17.10. I have ideapad 700 laptop when I press a key on keyboard it repeats it like 5 times then repeat stops . My repeat keys is on. And repeat works on windows. [06:40] It changed about 5 years ago [06:41] ok but still its a version of gnone to new for x2go [06:41] scatterp: gnome-flashback runs in x2go, as it doesn't require gl, but last time I tried it, it needed 2-3 small workarounds [06:42] scatterp: you can't install gnome-fallback in 16.04, same as you can't install unity-2d [06:42] GNOME 3.0 through 3.6: “GNOME Fallback Mode” must be installed. This is included with most, if not all distros. [06:42] GNOME 3.8: “GNOME Flasback Mode” 3.8.x must be installed. It is seldom included with distros. There are bugs with it. Using GNOME 3.8 with X2Go is not recommended. [06:42] GNOME 3.10: “GNOME Flasback Mode” 3.8.x may be compatible, but there are even more bugs with it. It is seldom included with distros. Using GNOME 3.10 with X2Go is not recommended. [06:42] see when you installed it with "flashback" it was 3.8+ (with bugs) [06:42] I installed it in 16.04 alpha [06:43] (and then I decided to switch to MATE) [06:43] http://packages.ubuntu.com/gnome-flashback [06:43] hrm ok then i am doing something very wrong because it does not work for me [06:43] i get a black screen.. [06:43] You need to patch the acceleration checking [06:43] i did.. [06:43] It's one of the workarounds I mentioned [06:43] in the command launch line [06:44] I don't remember exactly,it's been years, but I think I commented in the upstream flashback mailing list, and maybe in some bug report too [06:44] best i got was i put in there gnome-panel and that was the only way i got anything [06:44] I think I had to symlink the acceleration checker to /bin/true [06:44] hrm [06:44] alkisg: which DE did you do this for? [06:44] gnome-flashback, over x2go [06:45] (and over the network in general, e.g. networked X) [06:45] alkisg: i'm using x2go just thinking if that would work on gnome3/unity too [06:45] akik: no, those require gl [06:45] The other one is just about compositing checking [06:46] flashback supports both compositing and no compositing, and it's just a matter of bad detection [06:46] oh well [06:46] xfce and mate work so i'll keep using them, and kde 4 [06:46] Yeah me too,until wayland is mainstream and gives some good remote desktop option [06:47] Then I'll switch back to gnome [06:47] (hopefully in 5 years or so...) [06:49] alkisg: did you test with virtualgl? [06:50] hi , i updated to ubuntu 17.10. I have ideapad 700 laptop when I press a key on keyboard it repeats it like 5 times then repeat stops . My repeat keys is on. And repeat works on windows. pls help [06:54] akik: virtualgl over x2go? I think x2go has a page where they document their tries to support gnome etc, but not using virtualgl, I don't think that matches their setup [06:54] virtualgl could possibly be used,but I don't think it would work over x2go [06:54] In my case, the clients don't support gl so virtualgl wouldn't work for me [06:55]