[00:08] <Bashing-om> C4rB0n: Any hints in the boot log ' journalctl -b -0 ' ?
[00:11] <C4rB0n> Let me take a look
[00:19] <barul78> Hi guys, I just installed Ubuntu but my computer takes around 4-5 min to start... There is nothing on the log system blame , I think it's a grub problem, but I don't know what I could you, do you have any idea ? thanks :)
[00:21] <C4rB0n> Oct 27 19:44:56 ArcReactor lightdm[3257]: PAM unable to dlopen(pam_kwallet.so): /lib/security/pam_kwallet.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[00:21] <C4rB0n> Any chance that's the cause of my issue?
[00:22] <Bashing-om> C4rB0n: Nope, do not think that is relavent ,
[00:23] <bcowan> barul78: you could add nosplash debug to /etc/default/grub
[00:23] <bcowan> Removing splash and quiet
[00:28] <barul78> bcowan: I'm sorry, but how should I do that :o :/
[00:30] <pennTeller> Hi guys, anybody know a good way of making beautiful GUI programs with GTK3?
[00:32] <Drunkhawk91> barul78: c'est bien un écran noir après la marque de ton  laptop/pc qui s'éternise, pas avant?
[00:32] <Drunkhawk91> oops sry
[00:32] <Drunkhawk91> c'est bien un écran noir après la marque de ton  laptop/pc qui s'éternise, pas avant?
[00:32] <Drunkhawk91> damn i have to manage irssi windows, sry
[00:33] <bcowan> barul78: you edit  GRUB_ CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT= to that and it will give you a more verbose output for debugging
[00:34] <bcowan> barul78: but if you don’t know what you’re looking for it probably won’t help ):
[00:35] <barul78> I'm a beginer in Ubuntu, I've no idea why it's that's long... I was on windows before, and it worked fine...
[00:37] <bcowan> barul78: if everything boots up and runs, I would doubt it’s grub...sounds like a driver or network hanging
[00:38] <Jordan_U> bcowan: Please pastebin the output of "systemd-analyze blame" for us to see.
[00:40] <Jordan_U> bcowan: As well as the output of just "systemd-analyze".
[00:42] <bcowan> barul78: what Jordan_U just said
[00:42] <barul78> Yeah I'm on it :)
[00:44] <barul78> https://pastebin.com/RnViJiBP
[00:48] <skiboy> I popped into the channel yesterday to see if this was a known bug, but I'm still unsure on how to solve it.  Has anyone had any issues with the Nvidia drivers causing a login loop?
[00:53] <barul78> Jordan_U:  ?
[00:55] <bcowan> I don’t see anything wrong there
[00:55] <Drunkhawk91> barul78: tu as des périphériques connectés? (dd externe, autres DD, autres écrans, un device branché (hdmi/vga)?
[00:55] <bcowan> How about systemd-analyze
[00:56] <Drunkhawk91> oops again really srty
[00:58] <barul78> bcowan: nothing out, finisihed in 3.2 sec
[00:59] <Jordan_U> barul78: What do you see during boot? Can you post a video of it?
[01:00] <FurretUber> Hi, how should I report problems with programs which are not translated in Artful?
[01:01] <Drunkhawk91> bcowan: he got nothing > 8sec on systemd-analyse blame and no additions devices plugges, he got a long black screen after manufacturer logo
[01:01] <barul78> Jordan_U: The brand name of my computer is slower than usually (around 30 sec) then a black screen for around 3/4 min then, ubuntu is starting, and the computer is fast and how it should be
[01:05] <Jordan_U> barul78: Can you be on IRC from another computer while we test some things that need interaction during boot?
[01:05] <barul78> Yeah I'm on a other computer right now
[01:07] <Jordan_U> barul78: OK. On the computer in question, run the following: echo "timeout=30" | sudo tee /boot/grub/custom.cfg
[01:07] <Jordan_U> barul78: Do *not* try to "fix" the command to grub.cfg, that would be wrong and bad.
[01:09] <barul78> Jordan_U:  done
[01:10] <Jordan_U> barul78: Actually make that: echo "timeout=30; timeout_style=menu" | sudo tee /boot/grub/custom.cfg
[01:10] <Jordan_U> barul78: (You can just run the new command after having run the old one)
[01:10] <Jordan_U> barul78: That should ensure that grub waits at the menu for 30 seconds during boot, and that you actually see it (as opposed to timeout_syle=hidden).
[01:11] <Jordan_U> barul78: From there, we can access the grub shell and do some tests.
[01:11] <limbo_> So, I solved my problem. turns out I needed to run it through an ssh connection to my own machine.
[01:11] <limbo_> That makes X11 work in wayland, for some reason.
[01:12] <barul78> Jordan_U:  Then I restart ?
[01:12] <Jordan_U> barul78: Yes. And first, just let it be and time how long it takes to boot between the countdown finishing and full boot. Also time how long it takes for the grub menu to show up after pressing the power button.
[01:14] <pennTeller> Guys are there any downsides to using something like electron to make gui apps?
[01:14] <pennTeller> Why do people still program using GTK with something as easy as electron?
[01:17] <barul78> Jordan_U:  Brand of computer get off after 43 sec, black screen for 1:20 more, then 1:20 for the grub to show up and 55 sec after I press enter to have the loging screen
[01:17] <bazhang> pennTeller, good question for #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:17] <limbo_> pennTeller: because the applications are huge, and slower than non-javascript applications.
[01:18] <pennTeller> bazhang, thank you sorry about that
[01:18] <pennTeller> limbo_, that makes sense
[01:18] <bazhang> np
[01:22] <jiqiren> how can i tell the version of ubuntu running from the shell? uname -a isn't helpful enough..
[01:23] <Jordan_U> jiqiren: lsb_release -a
[01:23] <jiqiren> Jordan_U: nice, thank you
[01:23] <Jordan_U> jiqiren: You're welcome.
[01:25] <Jordan_U> barul78: Interesting. What version of Ubuntu are you using? What model computer?
[01:26] <jiqiren> is there a guide about why there are so many kernel options? aws/gcp/goldfish/etc
[01:27] <bcowan> Maybe his drive is acting up??
[01:27] <barul78> Jordan_U: 16.04.3 Toshiba Radius 14 L40W-c wich worked perfectly fine with windows a few hours ago :'(
[01:27] <Jordan_U> barul78: Did the LiveUSB you used to install take a long time to boot as well?
[01:29] <FreakingOut1987> i'm trying to get an unattended 16.04LTS install going
[01:29] <barul78> Jordan_U: Yeah for some step it was kinda long. But for the installation it was as usual
[01:29] <FreakingOut1987> Everything works fine until I boot up the server, i'm stuck at FSCK.
[01:29] <FreakingOut1987> Is there a way to disable fsck on bootup through preseeds?
[01:29] <Jordan_U> jiqiren: Where are you seeing the kernel parameters aws/gcp/goldfish ?
[01:30] <Jordan_U> barul78: To be clear, that's during one step of booting?
[01:31] <jiqiren> Jordan_U: i'm just looking at all the different mixes of kernels: https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/kernel/
[01:32] <barul78> Jordan_U:  the step when I was supposed to choose if I install in dual boot, erase my HD, or choose how to manage my HD, it took more than 5 min
[01:35] <Jordan_U> barul78: How long did booting the LiveUSB take?
[01:36] <barul78> Really fast, juste a few second when I boot on the usb
[01:36] <Jordan_U> barul78: OK. Please boot from the LiveUSB, confirm that it only takes a few seconds to get to the grub menu, then at the grub menu press "c" to get to the grub shell.
[01:40] <Jordan_U> barul78: Then at the grub shell run "ls -l" to list your partitions and information about them. Try to find the partition your root filesystem is on. (It will be an ext4 partition on a drive with two other partitions, and will most likely be (hd1,gpt2) ).
[01:42] <Jordan_U> barul78: And if anything is unclear please ask for clarification. I'm being pretty terse and technical, but you seem to be following so far :)
[01:43] <barul78> Jordan_U:  I couldn't acces the the BIOS to boot on the usb, it took a lot of time (black screen) then I was on a gnu grub cosole...
[01:44] <Jordan_U> barul78: How did you access your boot firmware screens when you booted from the USB drive the first time?
[01:45] <barul78> Jordan_U: I was able to access to my BIOS pressing f2 before...
[01:45] <barul78> Jordan_U: I entered the ls -l and my computer is now freezing...
[01:48] <barul78> Oh it moved
[01:48] <Jordan_U> barul78: I'm not sure what to make of not being able to access your boot firmware menus anymore. Sounds like for whatever reason your boot firmware is now taking a really long time to acccess disk drives. My guess is that it's not "frozen" so much as taking a really long time. And I don't think it's grub that's slow.
[01:51] <barul78> Jordan_U:  I got hd0,apple2 / hd0,apple1 / hd0,msdos2 / hd1,gpt3 gpt2 gpt1
[01:53] <barul78> Is there a way to delete everything and install something clean ?! I thought by erasing the disk with the Ubuntu installation it will be clean :/
[01:53] <Jordan_U> barul78: But this is still presumably from grub booting from your internal drive. I was hoping for a test with your USB drive. But it seems that something has changed with your boot firmware. Are you sure that you haven't changed any boot firmware settings other than the boot order?
[01:53] <krwq> hello, I have a new low quality laptop which is fairly close to my router and my wifi keeps on hanging on that laptop - other wifi devices in the same room work
[01:53] <krwq> correctly without any problems with maximum wifi range - by hanging I mean - I use Internet and ocassionally it simply stops working but it keeps on trying to connect to a website and doesn't show me that I'm disconnected. Could anyone help me diagnose the problem?
[01:53] <krwq> I have tried adding google's DNSes to make sure that it's not that
[01:54] <barul78> Jordan_U:  Yeah I'm sure about that, I know I pay attention to touch anything else than the boot order because I don't know what are the other things for
[01:56] <Jordan_U> barul78: Run "reboot" at the grub shell, then boot Ubuntu normally, then pastebin the output of "find /boot/efi/" then run "sudo grub-install --removable" and pastebin the new output of "find /boot/efi/". I'm trying to prepare your Ubuntu install so that it can still boot after resetting your boot firmware back to factory defaults, which I think might be a good thing to try.
[01:57] <Jordan_U> barul78: I need to leave pretty soon, but I will probably be back tomorrow and may drop in later tonight as well.
[01:58] <gogeta> greetings plebs
[01:59] <barul78> Jordan_U: Can I get your mail to send you the result of the find ? Maybe if you could have any idea of my problem ? I don't want to bother you more than what you did for me today ^^
[01:59] <gogeta> what did you brake
[02:00] <UniFreak> is there a convenient way to configure ubuntu to auto start nginx/mysql/php-fpm?
[02:00] <Jordan_U> barul78: I prefer sticking to IRC, and I have a server connected to IRC 24x7.
[02:00] <UniFreak> I mean by running some command
[02:00] <gogeta> UniFreak, aadd them to startup
[02:00] <gogeta> UniFreak, its ubuntu thers a gui for that lol
[02:01] <UniFreak> gogeta, I have no gui installed
[02:01] <barul78> Jordan_U: My computer is not booting on ubuntu... I got a BusyBox console with (initramfs)...
[02:01] <gogeta> oh then i gotta rember the file you add the command to one sec
[02:02] <UniFreak> gogeta, I know where to add
[02:02] <UniFreak> I'm just trying to find a easier way
[02:02] <gogeta> UniFreak, crontab -e
[02:03] <gogeta> UniFreak, simply add the commands you what at startup[
[02:03] <UniFreak> isn't it init.d ?
[02:03] <gogeta> UniFreak, sudo contrib -e if you whant super user commands
[02:04] <gogeta> confrib is like a startup file
[02:04] <gogeta> for cli
[02:05] <gogeta> its easer then dealing with systemd int.d is no more
[02:05] <gogeta> otherwise you need to make startup service scripts etc
[02:06] <Jordan_U> barul78: Is the Ubuntu install USB still plugged in? If so, then try removing it then running "reboot".
[02:09] <gogeta> UniFreak, eg program@reboot
[02:10] <barul78> Jordan_U: "sda2 contains a file system wuth errors check forced" "UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY" "fsck ecited with status code 4"
[02:11] <gogeta> UniFreak, @reboot  /path_to_you_file/your_file
[02:11] <gogeta> UniFreak, contrib is that easy
[02:11] <Jordan_U> barul78: Sounds like your hard drive may be dying, or maybe a cable is loose.
[02:12] <barul78> Jordan_U: much more a material problem for you ?
[02:12] <Jordan_U> barul78: If you're asking me if it seems more like a hardware problem than a software problem at this point, I would say yes it seems more likely to be hardware.
[02:13] <Jordan_U> barul78: I don't know why the problem wasn't presenting itself before.
[02:13] <gogeta> barul78, yea you ddont get those roors all the time unless the drive is giving up
[02:14] <barul78> Jordan_U:  Ok, do you know if this kind of stuff works with my warranty ?
[02:15] <barul78> Can I try to plug an other HD to see if it boot well and to know if my HD is the problem ?
[02:16] <gogeta> barul78, you can test the drive with smart or badblocks or any other tool
[02:16] <gogeta> barul78, there is a few
[02:17] <gogeta> barul78, or hddscan
[02:18] <gogeta> barul78, running a alt os should have no effect on your warrenty
[02:18] <barul78> gogeta Athe name you're saying are the same kind of software ? Or on is better ?
[02:18] <barul78> All the name*
[02:20] <gogeta> barul78, the badblocks scan will sell you
[02:20] <gogeta> tell
[02:20] <gogeta> barul78, if you have bad blcks that mean the drive is going under
[02:22] <gogeta> barul78, the first thing you can do is this sudo fsck -fy /dev/sda2
[02:24] <gogeta> barul78, and if the problem comes back then go for the bad block checking
[02:24] <barul78> gogeta did it, it did a lot of things and find a lot of error
[02:25] <barul78> Gonna check my disk with a tools tomorow
[02:25] <gogeta> barul78, did you shutdown unclean
[02:25] <gogeta> barul78, that will cause errors
[02:26] <barul78> My computer was freezing a lot after installing ubuntu, I think something gone wrong during the instalation.
[02:26] <gogeta> barul78, yea a ba f
[02:26] <barul78> I have to leave, I'll pray for my computer x)
[02:27] <gogeta> barul78, yes a bad iso will do that
[02:27] <barul78> Thanks you a lot for your help gogeta and Jordan_U :D wish you the best !
[02:27] <barul78> gogeta: but I took it from the french ubuntu website :o
[02:27] <barul78> How can it be bad ?!
[02:28] <gogeta> barul78, it happens sometimes they just get cruppted when there uploadd
[02:28] <gogeta> barul78, why they include md5 hash to check them with
[02:29] <barul78> That really strange... When it is launch, it works perfectly...
[02:29] <barul78> Really quick and fine..
[02:30] <barul78> I'll try a new installation tomorow :/
[02:30] <gogeta> if this only started after your install i would say bad iso
[02:30] <gogeta> at least first
[02:30] <gogeta> if a fresh new iso does not fix it thn\
[02:31] <gogeta> then move on to hardware
[02:31] <gogeta> or some sort of driver issue
[02:32] <gogeta> likly you killing it from freezing up is what messed up your file system
[02:33] <barul78> Yeah I'll do that thanks a lot guys ! Have a nice day :
[02:33] <Bashing-om> !md5sum | barnito
[02:48] <Sargun> It seems that apt has changed its behaviour in downloading InRelease files
[02:48] <Sargun> When they fail to download, it aborts fetching the source entirely
[02:51] <sirru5h> Hey there everyone
[02:51] <sirru5h> Anyone here experience issues with firefox 56?
[03:00] <Toadisattva> I been using the nightly build, it's pretty awesome, way better than the current stable release
[03:09] <doug16k> bad ram and overclocking are the most likely causes for bad downloads and strange issues. everyone thinks their overclock is totally stable, but eventually they run into something that acts weird.
[03:12] <doug16k> I once saw a machine that they swore worked fine for months. then one day a certain zip file extract always said crc error. tried on another machine, was fine. tried that one, crc error. reset default clock speed, worked
[03:13] <malkauns> i cant for the life of me figure out how to enable desktop sharing in ubuntu 17.10
[03:14] <malkauns> cannot turn on the "screen sharing" option, seems to be because there is no network, even though i have a network connection
[03:14] <malkauns> anyone?
[03:14] <doug16k> malkauns, did you turn in the on/off switch at the top right?
[03:14] <malkauns> yep
[03:14] <malkauns> that's on
[03:14] <doug16k> works for me
[03:14] <malkauns> wish that helped :)
[03:14] <doug16k> the last thing you wanna hear eh? sorry
[03:15] <malkauns> it says "No networks selected for sharing" but it doesnt offer me any options
[03:16] <doug16k> malkauns, http://pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=119819
[03:18] <malkauns> hmmm
[03:18] <malkauns> yea i dont get that
[03:35] <ttbiis> hello guys could someone recommend some programs to increase the security of a desktop ubuntu?
[03:41] <Toadisattva> I don't know too many but I can recommend tor, a good vpn, and a variety of browswer addons like https everywhere, noscript and the like
[03:47] <ttbiis> are there any good free VPNs? Toadisattva
[03:54] <Toadisattva> I'm sure there are, I use a paid vpn personally privateinternetacess is the one I use, I've used tunnelbears free app, but it only gives you like 500 megs per month per email address
[04:12] <skiboy> I figured out what my login loop issue was
[04:12] <skiboy> update-alternatives was pointing to Nvidia and not mesa
[04:58] <sakhd> can somebody help me with the problem of changing keyboard layout shortcuts in ubuntu 17.10. I used to use alt + shift to change layouts, and also use ctrl + alt + shift + <some_key> for other useful keybindings. Now I cannot use ctrl + alt +shift + key, until i change my layout changing keybind to something like Super + space
[04:59] <sakhd> In ubuntu 17.04 everything was ok, until upgrade. Can I have alt + shift for changing keyboard layout and still have my ctrl+alt+shift+... keybindings working?
[05:11] <lotuspsychje> im looking a real noobish picture package that can automatic import new pictures of a photo camera to nautilus, for an older person
[05:43] <aiena> I need some networking help. I made this diagram http://paste.opensuse.org/view/raw/a85b467f . In the diagram R1 is my ubuntu PC with 2 interfaces one USB ethernet interface and One normal Ethernet wired interface (another NIC). THe PC receives internet from the USB interface I want to make my PC give another network with DHCP and route this network to the USB network. Is it possible?
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> aiena: maybe the ##networking guys know that?
[05:52] <aiena> lotuspsychje: maybe too
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> morning alkisg
[06:03] <aiena> lotuspsychje: anyway found a pretty decent one https://killtacknine.com/building-an-ubuntu-16-04-router-part-1-network-interfaces/
[06:03] <alkisg> Morning lotuspsychje, hi all :)
[06:03] <aiena> o/ alkisg
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> !yay | aiena
[06:03] <alkisg> aiena: ah, you still didn't manage to do it from the GUI?
[06:04] <aiena> alkisg: hmm need to test another time
[06:04] <aiena> now internet aint broke so can test only when internet is broke
[06:04] <aiena> was just exploring the routing theory
[06:05] <aiena> I had studied networking but the kind of networking you use in SOHO is totally different.
[06:05] <aiena> The basics are the same but you use commodity routers and stuff
[06:05] <alkisg> There are 2 basic methods, one with bridging and one with nat/masquerade, the second one is more flexible
[06:06] <alkisg> network-manager supports both of them
[06:09] <tx05> my software updater crashed in the middle of downloading updates and now I can't complete my updates (i'm assuming it has to do with the incompleted download)
[06:09] <tx05> I'm not sure how to go about fixing this
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> tx05: can you still enter system?
[06:10] <alkisg> tx05: open a terminal, write `sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get  dist-upgrade`, and post the output to pastebin
[06:11] <tx05> i can....i'm on it right now
[06:13] <aiena> alkisg: is dist-upgrade really necessary here?
[06:13] <alkisg> aiena: dist-upgrade means "normal upgrade", not "do-release-upgrade"
[06:14] <alkisg> It doesn't go to a new ubuntu version
[06:14] <aiena> oh
[06:14] <aiena> is it same as "apt-get upgrade"
[06:14] <alkisg> In recent apt versions, it got renamed to "full-upgrade"
[06:14] <alkisg> No, apt-get upgrade is "small upgrade, sometimes broken"
[06:14] <alkisg> It shouldn't really be used
[06:14] <alkisg> It updates the system with the restriction of not installing new dependencies
[06:15] <aiena> hmm so what is the difference between the two?
[06:15] <aiena> ah like "patch" in other distro's
[06:15] <alkisg> So newer package versions that do need new dependencies, aren't updated
[06:15] <alkisg> No idea about other distros :)
[06:15] <aiena> yeah other distros is fairly subjective too :P
[06:15] <aiena> other means each distro has its own way
[06:16] <tx05> https://pastebin.com/Fhc8yNV4
[06:16] <aiena> ubuntu is close to deb but rpm based are totally different.
[06:16] <Dreaman> aiena   apt-get update
[06:16] <Dreaman> apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:17] <Dreaman> terminal sudo su
[06:17] <Dreaman> pass
[06:17] <Dreaman> and fly
[06:17] <aiena> Dreaman: I think that is for tx05 but that was already suggested
[06:17] <Dreaman> ok
[06:17] <aiena> Dreaman: I prefer "sudo -i" instead of countrless sudo's
[06:17] <alkisg> tx05: sudo rm /var/cache/oracle-jdk8-installer/jdk-8u151-linux-x64.tar.gz; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:17] <Dreaman> i not use
[06:18] <aiena> tx05: this is some other issue
[06:18] <aiena> you can run "apt-get clean"
[06:18] <alkisg> `sudo su` is bad, it leaves the user environment in the root session
[06:18] <alkisg> It's like sudo without -i, which is equally bad
[06:18] <Dreaman> apt-get autoclean
[06:18] <alkisg> Or su without the dash, -
[06:18] <Dreaman> apt-get autoremove
[06:18] <tx05> what's the issue? I'm slowly trying to learn...i'm brand new to linux
[06:18] <aiena> yeah I noticed
[06:19] <alkisg> tx05: the problem is that your java download was broken
[06:19] <aiena> tx05: I think you have a corrupted package or a broken repository
[06:19] <aiena> but broken repo would show other errors
[06:19] <alkisg> So the java installer (which isn't an ubuntu package) fails to complete
[06:19] <aiena> I think you java package you downloded is broken
[06:19] <alkisg> By removing the broken download, it will redownload it, and hopefully continue
[06:19] <Dreaman> https://paste.ubuntu.com/25834403/   but this is 17.10
[06:19] <Dreaman> only apt
[06:20] <aiena> Dreaman: yes but it is a good practice to avoid sudo su in general
[06:20] <aiena> it may not break apt
[06:20] <aiena> but it can cause problems with other things
[06:20] <Dreaman> ok
[06:20] <aiena> may even mess up application setup
[06:21] <aiena> e.g. it may use the regular users database with the root priviledges
[06:21] <aiena> some user applications may create data in the root home etc.
[06:21] <Dreaman> big problem
[06:21] <Dreaman> ok
[06:21] <aiena> lots can go wrong in a not easy to see way
[06:21] <aiena> you can do a simple test to understand the difference
[06:22] <alkisg> Or it may make your /home/username/.config/dconf readable only by root, destroying your ability to write application settings :)
[06:22] <aiena> you can type "env" as non root and dump to file. Then you can do "sudo su" and dump "env" to file and then you can do "sudo -i" and dump "env" to file and compare the three
[06:22] <Dreaman> why linux no viruses in root part
[06:22] <Dreaman> hahahahaha
[06:23] <alkisg> Dreaman: does this command show anything  for you?    find ~ ! -uid $(id -u)
[06:23] <alkisg> It searches your home dir for files not owned by you (e.g. by root)
[06:23] <Dreaman> just home mey be destroy some one but system is ilusion
[06:24] <Dreaman> imposable
[06:24] <aiena> "sudo su" is a very bad habit but it is so widespread in tutorials everywhere everyone learns it
[06:24] <Dreaman> or somthing eng my is not good
[06:24] <tx05> that worked, thanks for the help
[06:24] <aiena> so I cannot blame anyone
[06:24] <aiena> Dreaman: but remember "sudo su" is there for when you really want it.
[06:25] <aiena> Linux always assumes you know what you are doing
[06:25] <Dreaman> my system my choice
[06:25] <Dreaman> i am admin
[06:25] <aiena> yes precisely
[06:26] <scatterp>  hi how can i install GNOME 3.6: with “GNOME Fallback Mode” in ubuntu 16.04 ?i am trying to connect with x2go and would like to see something like https://i.stack.imgur.com/2ZSMr.png
[06:26] <aiena> with power comes great responsibility
[06:26] <tx05> another quick question...I'm on the 16.04 LTS as they are usually recommended....any reason for me to consider 17.10? I just saw it recently came out
[06:26] <tx05> not really sure of the differences thus far
[06:26] <aiena> tx05: I think not sure but they are dropping ubity in 17.10
[06:26] <aiena> *unity
[06:27] <aiena> but if you are using lubuntu etc. and dont need very new packages then no
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> aiena: you still can install unity
[06:27] <aiena> lotuspsychje: I hate unuty I like KDE
[06:27] <aiena> but more than that some of my favourite apps are Qt based so I dont want gtk overhead
[06:27] <alkisg> scatterp: gnome flashback isn't very maintained, most of its users moved on to MATE
[06:27] <aiena> so KDE just supports it
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> tx05: users choice, if you need LTS or non-LTS?
[06:28] <scatterp> alkisg i know
[06:28] <tx05> are there usually major stability issues with non-LTS?
[06:28] <aiena> but kubuntu is essentially ubuntu with another DE
[06:28] <scatterp> alkisg good morning also :)
[06:28] <alkisg> Good morning
[06:28] <alkisg> scatterp: well if you want it anyway, you do `apt install gnome-flashback`
[06:28] <scatterp> alkisg if i could make mate look like the image it wouldnt be so bad...
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> tx05: not necesary, but LTS in most cases will be the most stable
[06:29] <aiena> lotuspsychje: I admit though the gtk apps can have serious theming issues on KDE
[06:29] <alkisg> scatterp: mate looks like that image, yes
[06:29] <aiena> so it can make certain things 'hard'
[06:29] <scatterp> alkisg no .. it must be "gnome 3.6" not newer
[06:29] <alkisg> scatterp: https://ubuntu-mate.org/gallery/Screenshots/05_ABOUT.png
[06:29] <scatterp> alkisg i am using mate now currently but its not themed the same and theres no theme to make it look the same
[06:29] <alkisg> scatterp: upload a screenshot, maybe you installed it wrong?
[06:30] <scatterp> alkisg i followed your instructions to install it :D
[06:30] <scatterp> alkisg 1 sec
[06:30] <alkisg> scatterp: I didn't give instructions on how to install mate
[06:30] <scatterp> alkisg it looks diffrent already i was experimenting with themes
[06:30] <alkisg> I only said that I'm using mate with x2go :)
[06:31] <scatterp> alkisg ok that was close enough so i did apt-get install mate and connected
[06:31] <alkisg> scatterp: compare the 2 screenshots, flashback and mate: https://i.stack.imgur.com/2ZSMr.png https://ubuntu-mate.org/gallery/Screenshots/05_ABOUT.png
[06:31] <alkisg> Do you think they're too different?
[06:31] <scatterp> yeah :(
[06:31] <alkisg> In which way, the green background?
[06:31] <scatterp> ideally i would like unity but thats not possible aparently at least not easy
[06:31] <alkisg> You can change the wallpaper :)
[06:31] <alkisg> unity is getting abandoned too
[06:32] <alkisg> You really want to use not actively maintained envirnments?
[06:32] <scatterp> alkisg no thats changeable the windows are a little diffrent also the menu i had problems with its color all the apps were diffrent ..
[06:32] <scatterp> alkisg yeah for now
[06:32] <xangua> scatterp: 16.04 has unity support up to 2021
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> xangua: +1
[06:33] <nwinter> !unity
[06:33] <alkisg> scatterp: you asked for gnome, https://blogs.gnome.org/nacho/files/2014/01/gedit4.png ==> now *this* is different :)
[06:33] <scatterp> checking
[06:33] <alkisg> Gnome 3 changed the windows, with buttons inside the title bar etc
[06:33] <alkisg> And unity and gnome-flashback then have to follow suit
[06:34] <alkisg> While mate is using the old code base, so it's keeping the old layout
[06:34] <scatterp> alkisg that looks like osx ?
[06:34] <alkisg> That's just new unity/gnome
[06:34] <alkisg> and flashback
[06:34] <scatterp> alkisg ideally it would be best if i could install the same ubuntu classic desktop from 12.04 on to 16.04 but i am not even clear what that desktop was ubuntu2d or something
[06:35] <alkisg> scatterp: unity-2d was abandoned years ago, you can't use it in 16.04
[06:35] <Dreaman> https://imgur.com/a/ioGK4  this is 17.10 my is hybrit is not full unity
[06:35] <scatterp> alkisg nothings impossible :)
[06:35] <alkisg> scatterp: of course, do you have 10 developers and a million euros to develop it?
[06:36] <scatterp> Dreaman oh that looks nice
[06:36] <Dreaman> yes
[06:36] <alkisg> scatterp: it's also possible to run unity with vnc without using x2go,if you prefer
[06:36] <alkisg> Without searching for unity-2d or anything
[06:36] <alkisg> And of course it'll be kind of slow over the network
[06:37] <scatterp> alkisg why would it take so much to get an application with built in predefined dependencys to run on a nix based system that does not make sense
[06:38] <scatterp> with vnc it does not give me the resolution for various reasons and i am planing to stick with x2go its really amazing tool i like the way they handle compression of data
[06:38] <ducasse> scatterp: check out snaps
[06:38] <aiena> scatterp: start making your own distro and then you will understand :)
[06:38] <alkisg> I completely agree that x2go is better,that's why i proposed it to you
[06:39] <scatterp> ok so excluding the ubuntu 12.x unity or what ever thing
[06:39] <scatterp> i need to install gnome 3.6 with fallback ...
[06:39] <alkisg> I  already answered that, it's  apt install gnome-flashback
[06:40] <scatterp> alkisg that will iinstall flashback (slightly diffrent) and a much newer gnome
[06:40] <alkisg> flashback is the new name for fallback
[06:40] <tehstormcrow> hi , i updated to ubuntu 17.10. I have ideapad 700 laptop when I press a key on keyboard it repeats it like 5 times then repeat stops . My repeat keys is on. And repeat works on windows.
[06:40] <alkisg> It changed about 5 years ago
[06:41] <scatterp> ok but still its a version of gnone to new for x2go
[06:41] <alkisg> scatterp: gnome-flashback runs in x2go, as it doesn't require gl, but last time I tried it, it needed 2-3 small workarounds
[06:42] <alkisg> scatterp: you can't install gnome-fallback in 16.04, same as you can't install unity-2d
[06:42] <scatterp> GNOME 3.0 through 3.6: “GNOME Fallback Mode” must be installed. This is included with most, if not all distros.
[06:42] <scatterp> GNOME 3.8: “GNOME Flasback Mode” 3.8.x must be installed. It is seldom included with distros. There are bugs with it. Using GNOME 3.8 with X2Go is not recommended.
[06:42] <scatterp> GNOME 3.10: “GNOME Flasback Mode” 3.8.x may be compatible, but there are even more bugs with it. It is seldom included with distros. Using GNOME 3.10 with X2Go is not recommended.
[06:42] <scatterp> see when you installed it with "flashback" it was 3.8+ (with bugs)
[06:42] <alkisg> I installed it in 16.04 alpha
[06:43] <alkisg> (and then I decided to switch to MATE)
[06:43] <alkisg> http://packages.ubuntu.com/gnome-flashback
[06:43] <scatterp> hrm ok then i am doing something very wrong because it does not work for me
[06:43] <scatterp> i get a black screen..
[06:43] <alkisg> You need to patch the acceleration checking
[06:43] <scatterp> i did..
[06:43] <alkisg> It's one of the workarounds I mentioned
[06:43] <scatterp> in the command launch line
[06:44] <alkisg> I don't remember exactly,it's been years, but I think I commented in the upstream flashback mailing list, and maybe in some bug report too
[06:44] <scatterp> best i got was i put in there gnome-panel and that was the only way i got anything
[06:44] <alkisg> I think I had to symlink the acceleration checker to /bin/true
[06:44] <scatterp> hrm
[06:44] <akik> alkisg: which DE did you do this for?
[06:44] <alkisg> gnome-flashback, over x2go
[06:45] <alkisg> (and over the network in general, e.g. networked X)
[06:45] <akik> alkisg: i'm using x2go just thinking if that would work on gnome3/unity too
[06:45] <alkisg> akik: no, those require gl
[06:45] <alkisg> The other one is just about compositing checking
[06:46] <alkisg> flashback supports both compositing and no compositing, and it's just a matter of bad detection
[06:46] <akik> oh well
[06:46] <akik> xfce and mate work so i'll keep using them, and kde 4
[06:46] <alkisg> Yeah me too,until wayland is mainstream and gives some good remote desktop option
[06:47] <alkisg> Then I'll switch back to gnome
[06:47] <alkisg> (hopefully in 5 years or so...)
[06:49] <akik> alkisg: did you test with virtualgl?
[06:50] <tehstormcrow> hi , i updated to ubuntu 17.10. I have ideapad 700 laptop when I press a key on keyboard it repeats it like 5 times then repeat stops . My repeat keys is on. And repeat works on windows. pls help
[06:54] <alkisg> akik: virtualgl over x2go? I think x2go has a page where they document their tries to support gnome etc, but not using virtualgl, I don't think that matches their setup
[06:54] <alkisg> virtualgl could possibly be used,but I don't think it would work over x2go
[06:54] <alkisg> In my case, the clients don't support gl so virtualgl wouldn't work for me
[06:55] <akik> alkisg: no i meant with virtualgl without x2go
[06:55] <Zaplo> I have two luks encrypted drives. Is it possible to unlock one of them with password at boot, and after that unlock /home with key from that unlocked drive?
[06:55] <alkisg> Many of my clients don't support gl, so I can't use virtualgl
[06:56] <Zaplo> currently it asks for 2 passwords + user password which is bit excessive
[06:56] <scatterp> http://lists.x2go.org/pipermail/x2go-dev/2015-December/010774.html is this it ?
[06:57] <alkisg> scatterp: yes, that's the thread
[06:59] <akik> in my mind it's not worth it. good work anyhow
[06:59] <Zaplo> alternatively, can I be sure the order in which decryption password is asked is same on each boot 100% of time in ubuntu?
[07:02] <akik> Zaplo: yes you can use a keyfile to open the encryptino
[07:03] <akik> Zaplo: it's the field after UUID field in crypttab where you can say which key file you want to use
[07:04] <Zaplo> akik: but if I have two rows in crypttab, can i read keyfile from one of them (which of course requires decrypting it before the other)
[07:04] <Zaplo> or is it possible it sometimes tries to decrypt different drive first
[07:05] <akik> Zaplo: i open my root fs with a password and then the swap with a keyfile which is in the root fs
[07:06] <Zaplo> akik: beautiful. I guess it works then. Neither of the partitions are root fs though
[07:16] <tehstormcrow> hi , i updated to ubuntu 17.10. I have ideapad 700 laptop when I press a key on keyboard it repeats it like 5 times then repeat stops . My repeat keys is on. And repeat works on windows. pls help
[07:18] <Zaplo> ok time to boot and test..
[07:20] <Zaplo> beautiful, not only does the decrypt key work but autologin also started to work
[07:21] <akik> Zaplo: did you open them both with a key file?
[07:21] <scatterp> alkisg i downloaded all the patches how can i apply them ?
[07:22] <Zaplo> akik: i opened data partition with password, then /home with keyfile and desktop showed because of autologin. 3 passwords -> 1
[07:30] <alkisg> scatterp: it's been years, I don't remember what was needed to make x2go run with gnome-flashback
[07:30] <alkisg> Try to see what I was writing in the mailing list at that time
[07:31] <scatterp> k
[08:00] <johnny_|_> Hi. Can someone help me set up bluetooth? I prefer command line. How can I check if I have bluetooth driver installed? How to find which driver is for me?
[08:01] <johnny_|_> I did dmesg | grep -i bluetooth: bluetooth hci0: Direct firmware load for intel/ibt-12-16.sfi failed with error -2
[08:37] <Tobias92> The recent update of Postfix to version 3.1.0-3 (last Wednesday) removed /usr/lib/postfix/dict_tcp.so. This is not documented in the changelog, and my mailserver needs this module to interact with postsrsd. Are TCP maps now built in? I don't want to risk outage by restarting the daemon...
[08:41] <dax> Tobias92: (if you don't get an answer here, you may want to try at #ubuntu-server, they tend to know more about postfix there but it might take longer for a response because there are fewer people)
[08:41] <Tobias92> thanks dax, I will!
[10:40] <Toxtlo>  Hi, I only read a few tutorials so far, most of them in german, so I'm pretty newb. My plan is to build my own NAS, 2 Bay RAID1, installing ubuntu without a GUI on it. My plan is to encrypt the whole system but I'm not sure if this will work, because from my understanding I have to enter the passphrase but without a monitor/keyboard on the server, I probably cant enter the passphrase to unlock the system right?
[10:47] <tomreyn> Toxtlo: the dmcrypt-luks full disk encryption  allows for either passphrases (to be entered manually using a keyboard) or key files for unlocking. i.e. you could provide a key file from a temporarily attached removable storage for unlocking the LUKS master key.
[10:48] <tomreyn> but weven then you would probably want to be able to see the output, and maybe interact with it.to do so, you can either connect keyboard and monitor to the NAS computer, or a serial console.
[10:49] <tomreyn> a serial console would allow you to enter a passphrase, too
[10:50] <tomreyn> but this will only work if the NAS hardware provides a serial port or has a (secondary?) USB or ethernet port you can use for this purpose.
[10:52] <tomreyn> the issue with serial links is that they are not (transport) encrypted, so you would essentially have to enter your decryption passphrase over a (short, just local) unencrypted link.
[10:54] <alkisg> same as keyboards :D
[10:54] <tomreyn> good point :)
[10:56] <tomreyn> keyboards ore or less require physical presence of the person (?) typing, though, so the risk there is potentially lower than over a (possibly remotely operated) serial link
[10:56] <tomreyn> but then physical presence alone doesn't prevent tampering witht he wires either
[10:57] <doug16k> on old ps/2 keyboards it probably broadcasts the scancodes clear as day in EMI. I wonder how feasible it is to capture a usb packet over differential link though
[10:58] <tomreyn> fetch the lab coats!
[10:58] <doug16k> lol
[11:16] <Toxtlo> sry, re, thank you for your response. Its ok if I enter it over a keyboard or a usb stick temporarily. its just against theft
[11:19] <Toxtlo> I plan on running it 24/7 (as it is intended) but in case I have to, I'd like to know what action I can take to reboot it.
[11:20] <tomreyn> you should never enter security tokens unless you know where you do, i.e. you will need at least visual output at the time you (supposedly) need to enter the passphrasde or attach the storage device which contrains the secret key.
[11:21] <tomreyn> thus, for practical reasons, i would very much recommend using the serial console approach.
[11:21] <Toxtlo> so nothing like "stick a usb stick in to unlock" ?
[11:23] <tomreyn> you can still do this if you would like to. it's not a bad security measure since it requires physical presence. a serial console allows you tosee what the system is prompting for (or not) and, optionally, to make keyboard input.
[11:25] <tomreyn> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Remote-Serial-Console-HOWTO/intro-why.html
[11:30] <Toxtlo> oh ok
[11:30] <Toxtlo> so this is like "a virtual monitor"
[11:37] <mircx1> Hello i need help please i dont know what a problem when i make restart to apache2
[11:37] <mircx1> https://pastebin.com/d2D0YU2E
[11:41] <alkisg> mircx1: you need to fix your /etc/apache2/apache2.conf, as the message says
[11:42] <alkisg>  /etc/apache2/conf-enabled/phppgadmin.conf: </Directory> without matching <Directory> section
[11:42] <alkisg> Open that file with an editor, and fix the directive
[11:49] <Toxtlo> tomreyn: it looks like only boards with "console redirection" are suited for this?
[11:50] <Toxtlo> there are not that many...
[11:56] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:03] <NeoFrontier> Hi, is there an Ubuntu webcam softwrare that allows you to switch the video orientation any way you like ?
[12:04] <YankDownUnder> ...thought they all did that, NeoFrontier ....hmm...
[12:04] <NeoFrontier> Yeah me too. Until I checked @ YankDownUnder
[12:04] <NeoFrontier> Then suddenly none of them does it.... ( so far )
[12:04] <NeoFrontier> lol
[12:04] <YankDownUnder> NeoFrontier, Ah...is the the cam, or the software? Could be dependent on the driver for the cam...
[12:05] <NeoFrontier> Ok which webcam sofware currently does that for ANY cam ?
[12:06] <YankDownUnder> NeoFrontier, Can't rightly remember - it's a bit late here...brain is slightly fried... :)
[12:06] <NeoFrontier> I think I was only dreaming about it.
[12:07] <tomreyn> Toxtlo: no, you can do it with any x86 compatible system as long as it runs linux and has connectors which can be used to connect some wire which the serial connection will go through. we can discuss how you could do it for your specific hardware in #ubuntu-offtopic if you like.
[12:07] <MonkeyDust> NeoFrontier  if you don't get an answer here, try #ubuntustudio
[12:07] <NeoFrontier> ty MonkeyDust
[12:08] <Toxtlo> thank you, that would be nice, have to go now, but will be back in 2h maybe?
[12:12] <Sbur3> RFID card reader. Ubuntu. Question #1 - Easily compatible/configurable? Question #2 Worldwide? (A Chinese reader can work in Europe or USA)
[12:31] <lesshaste> I have signed a piece of white paper and taken a photograph. How can I make the white background transparent?
[12:32] <EriC^^> lesshaste: install gimp, go to "select" > by color , click on the white then go to "colors" > colors to alpha
[12:34] <Apachez> being a unity user im somewhat confused in ubuntu 17.10...
[12:34] <Apachez> whats the equal of pushing the ubuntu logo and see all installed applications?
[12:36] <EriC^^> Apachez: super+a > show all
[12:36] <R13ose> I am using kde.  There is a white screen on 3/4 of the screen, how do I get rid of that?
[12:37] <R13ose> Killing the browser last time, killed the whole os
[12:42] <Apachez> found it
[12:42] <Apachez> those dots in the lower left
[12:42] <Apachez> next question is, how to move them to the upper left?
[12:42] <Apachez> and have the trashcan in the loewer left
[12:42] <Apachez> like in the old days :)
[12:47] <alkisg> lesshaste: open in gimp, and select "color to alpha"
[12:51] <dirty> hey all having an issue with a supermicro server not firing up; while not directly ubuntu, hoping someone in here knows supermicro
[12:52] <tomreyn> dirty: maybe someone can help in #ubuntu-offtopic (assuming you'll post details)
[12:52] <dirty> tomreyn: appreciated
[12:58] <R13ose> Any thoughts on my question?
[13:05] <DVA5912> Im not seeing any verbiage - Is there a dedicated channel for Ubuntu Server?
[13:06] <tomreyn> #ubuntu-server
[13:06] <tomreyn> !alis
[13:07] <DVA5912> tomreyn: So i take you your not sure either. :)
[13:07] <tomreyn> DVA5912: i am sure, i'm on that channel
[13:07] <R13ose> This is annoying as I can't use the computer
[13:07] <DVA5912> oh, gotcha. Thanks for helping me help myself :)
[13:08] <tomreyn> DVA5912: welcome, i also posted the very channel name above (in case oyu missed it)
[13:09] <tomreyn> R13ose: did it work before? if so, what happened between when it worked and now? which ubuntu release is this, which graphics card / chipset?
[13:09] <tomreyn> and which driver
[13:10] <DVA5912> tomreyn: Thanks for leading me to the water, found the channel
[13:12] <tomreyn> R13ose: if you need help answering these questions, just ask
[13:14] <R13ose> tomreyn: yes.  I am not sure what happened just the white screen came up.  17.10 and kde.  As for graphic card chipset and driver unsure how to find them
[13:15] <tomreyn> R13ose: so parts of your screen are just plain white. and when you start some application does it reach into the white area or is it constrained to the 'proper' area where you can use it?
[13:16] <R13ose> tomreyn: yes plain white.  I can't start other application and I don't know shortcuts to try that.
[13:17] <tomreyn> R13ose: run this to determine your hardware: lspci -nn | grep VGA
[13:18] <tomreyn> R13ose: pressing ctrl-alt-F1 should bring you to a text console where you can login and run commands. to switch back to the graphical one, it's ctrl-alt-F7 or -F8
[13:19] <R13ose> tomreyn: done that many times and doesn't affect the white part
[13:19] <tomreyn> R13ose: i just explained about swithcing to a text console so that you could enter commands
[13:20] <R13ose> No worries, thanks
[13:23] <tomreyn> R13ose: once you've determined your graphics card using the command above, you can also show the state of your software packages: ( sudo apt-get -q update 2>&1; sudo apt-get -qf install 2>&1) | pastebinit
[13:28] <R13ose> tomreyn: Intel Corporation 3td Gen Core processor Graphics Controller [8086:0166] (rev 09)
[13:30] <aneks> Hi all, I have just installed Ubuntu 17.10 - my graphics card is RX 560 the driver being used by the system at the
[13:30] <aneks>                moment is llvmpipe (LLVM 5.0, 128 bits) (which is I'm guessing the generic driver used) the resolution is horrible,
[13:30] <aneks>                the only option I get is 1280x1024.. any suggestions on drivers? I know that the amdgpu-pro drivers only work on
[13:30] <aneks>                16.04 at the moment
[13:30] <R13ose> tomreyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25836492
[13:32] <tomreyn> R13ose: thanks. this is just the output of the later of the two commands. can you post that of the formwer command, too? sudo apt-get -q update 2>&1 | pastebinit
[13:33] <tomreyn> R13ose: so you have an older intel core cpu with integrated graphics. only open source drivers exist for this one so we can rule out the usual set of issues with proprietary drivers.
[13:34] <tomreyn> it would be good to install another desktop and to see whether that behaves properly.
[13:34] <R13ose> tomreyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25836525
[13:37] <R13ose> Back
[13:38] <R13ose> tomreyn: yes but this happens randomly so I want to solve this
[13:40] <tomreyn> hmm it's not easy to chat with someone getting disconnected at this rate.
[13:40] <tomreyn> in case s/he returns:
[13:40] <tomreyn> R13ose: oh so its not constantly there? it might be an issue with your monitor cable. apparently you also have some other issues there, getting disconnected repeatedly?
[13:41] <tomreyn> bbl
[13:42] <gamblor3> im giving my vm 4gb ram but still running slow
[13:42] <rcombs> I'm having a weird issue wherein gdm has stopped using Wayland by default at startup (it's using X instead, and only presenting X session options)
[13:43] <rcombs> I'm on an Intel NUC (i915, no other graphics), and this didn't happen when I first installed
[13:44] <rcombs> here's `journalctl -u gdm`: https://gist.github.com/c5889e5f430c015fd198c9cc2b98e8f1
[13:48] <rcombs> hmm, this seems interesting: Oct 28 08:41:58 rcombs-NUC org.gnome.Shell.desktop[875]: Window manager warning: Failed to create renderer: Failed to initialize renderer: Missing extension for GBM renderer: EGL_KHR_platform_gbm, Missing EGL extensions required for EGLDevice renderer: EGL_EXT_device_base
[13:50] <R13ose> tomreyn: back, sorry
[13:50] <alkisg> gamblor3: which vm manager, e.g. vbox? how many cpus are you giving to the guest? how do you measure that it's slow, just seeing graphics?
[13:51] <R13ose> tomreyn: I saw what you said earlier but I would like to figure out if I can fix this with kde.
[13:51] <gamblor3> im using virtualbox
[13:51] <alkisg> And the rest of the questions...?
[13:52] <gamblor3> 2cpu
[13:52] <gamblor3> how do i measure that it's slow? cause it takes forever to do anything
[13:52] <alkisg> Do you have vt-x (virtualization) enabled in the bios?
[13:53] <gamblor3> opening tools, browsing, even typing lags
[13:53] <gamblor3> yes i did the whole performance optimization long time ago
[13:54] <gamblor3> will giving it more ram help? i'm already giving it 4gb which is already half of what i have
[13:54] <alkisg> gamblor3: what's the output of this, on your host? egrep '(vmx|svm)' /proc/cpuinfo
[13:55] <gamblor3> my host is windows
[13:55] <R13ose> This is nuts
[13:55] <alkisg> gamblor3: try joining #virtualbox then
[13:55] <alkisg> (or #windows)
[13:55] <gamblor3> my vm is is ubuntu
[13:56] <alkisg> The fix is on the host
[13:57] <pinkisntwell> there are some libraries that allow you to hook into running programs and patch functions. How do they work? How do they know where each function is loaded in memory?
[13:58] <alkisg> R13ose: it sounds like an issue with 3d, which is caused by the combination of your graphics driver (intel) and the kde stack. You can try with a different kernel/xorg. When it happens, can you press alt+ctrl+f1 and continue working there? Also, at that time, check `dmesg` and `cat  /var/log/Xorg.0.log`
[13:58] <R13ose> How do I solve the white screen on 3/4 of my screen in kde?
[13:58] <gamblor3> #windows told me to ask here
[13:58] <alkisg> gamblor3: tell them "how do I check that I enabled vt-x in windows?"
[13:59] <gamblor3> it's enabled 100%. i did it in bios
[13:59] <alkisg> Well, you can also install windows under vbox under windows. This will go slow. So then you can ask there. :)
[13:59] <alkisg> If it was only graphics that was slow, I'd suggest to install the guest additions
[13:59] <alkisg> gamblor3: what is the host cpu?
[14:00] <alkisg> (exact model...)
[14:00] <gamblor3> intel core i3
[14:00] <alkisg> More specific?
[14:00] <gamblor3> ?
[14:00] <alkisg> There are 8 years of i3
[14:00] <gamblor3> i dont know
[14:00] <gamblor3> how do i check
[14:00] <alkisg> E.g. i3 6100?
[14:00] <alkisg> You check with cat /proc/cpuinfo
[14:00] <alkisg> Oh, sorry, windows. Ask in #windows :D
[14:01] <alkisg> See my point? :)
[14:01] <cristian_c> hello
[14:01] <gamblor3> i3-2310m
[14:01] <R13ose> My question is for ubuntu
[14:01] <cristian_c> how could I enable/switch to evdev, after installed?
[14:01] <cristian_c> Any ideas?
[14:02] <alkisg> gamblor3: ok, your passmark score is 2427, it's enough to run ubuntu quite fast in a VM. Did you install the guest additions?
[14:02] <gamblor3> alkisg, it's i3-2310m
[14:02] <gamblor3> i did all that
[14:02] <alkisg> gamblor3: also, your host RAM?
[14:02] <gamblor3> 8gb
[14:02] <alkisg> And the host OS iss 64bit, I imagine?
[14:02] <gamblor3> yea
[14:02] <gamblor3> lenovo e420 laptop
[14:02] <gamblor3> windows 7
[14:03] <alkisg> OK, did you try with some non-GL version of ubuntu, like lubuntu/xubuntu/ubuntu-mate?
[14:03] <gamblor3> im using ubuntu
[14:03] <alkisg> Ubuntu uses 3d, which is emulated under vbox
[14:03] <alkisg> Unity and Gnome do that
[14:03] <alkisg> The other desktop environments don't use 3d
[14:03] <alkisg> So the graphics under vbox are much faster
[14:04] <rcombs> removing libegl and libglvnd0 seems to have fixed it
[14:04] <alkisg> Can you try with one of those others, and compare?
[14:04] <gamblor3> im using metacity
[14:04] <alkisg> You can't be using metacity with ubuntu
[14:04] <alkisg> It doesn't support it
[14:04] <gamblor3> im using it, im 100%
[14:04] <alkisg> ...unless you have ubuntu 10.04...
[14:04] <gamblor3> i have the option to choose between metacity and compwiz and ubuntu. im using metacity
[14:05] <alkisg> What's the output of this? ls /usr/share/xsessions; lsb_release -d
[14:05] <gamblor3> Description:	Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS
[14:06] <alkisg> And the first command?
[14:06] <gamblor3> thats what it says
[14:06] <alkisg>  ls /usr/share/xsessions
[14:06] <gamblor3> ??
[14:06] <alkisg> mate.desktop
[14:06] <gamblor3> Description:	Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS
[14:06] <gamblor3> ubuntu
[14:06] <alkisg> ubuntu, or ubuntu.desktop?
[14:06] <gamblor3> gnome.desktop                  gnome-fallback.desktop
[14:06] <gamblor3> gnome-fallback-compiz.desktop  ubuntu.desktop
[14:06] <gamblor3> Description:	Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS
[14:06] <alkisg> Right, now we're getting somewhere
[14:07] <alkisg> You're not using ubuntu
[14:07] <alkisg> You're using gnome-fallback
[14:07] <gamblor3> ok
[14:07] <alkisg> Is metacity running? ps aux | grep metacity
[14:07] <gamblor3> it is running
[14:07] <alkisg> OK, gnome-fallback doesn't use 3d
[14:08] <gamblor3> thats what im saying
[14:08] <alkisg> So this is as fast as all the others (xubuntu, lubuntu, mate etc)
[14:08] <gamblor3> im not using 3d
[14:08] <alkisg> You said you're using ubunt
[14:08] <alkisg> Ubuntu uses 3d
[14:08] <gamblor3> i told you im using metacity
[14:08] <alkisg> Ubuntu doesn't use metacity
[14:08] <gamblor3> so whats the fix
[14:08] <alkisg> gnome-fallback, mate and some others use metacity
[14:08] <alkisg> So your guest is fine
[14:08] <alkisg> If it goes slow, you need to fix the host, windows
[14:08] <gamblor3> do i just add more ram?
[14:08] <alkisg> No
[14:09] <gamblor3> why not
[14:09] <alkisg> Even with 2 gb ram it would go fast
[14:09] <gamblor3> so 4gb should be faster
[14:09] <alkisg> No
[14:09] <gamblor3> it should...in theory
[14:09] <alkisg> More ram makes no difference in speed, UNLESS the apps need more ram
[14:09] <gamblor3> im running servers
[14:10] <gamblor3> so should i add more ram
[14:10] <alkisg> Check the output of `free`
[14:10] <alkisg> You said that even typing is slow
[14:10] <alkisg> Adding more RAM won't fix that speed, no
[14:10] <gamblor3>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[14:10] <gamblor3> Mem:       4045928    1903640    2142288      27980     334916     735712
[14:10] <gamblor3> -/+ buffers/cache:     833012    3212916
[14:10] <gamblor3> Swap:      1570812          0    1570812
[14:10] <EriC^^> !paste | gamblor3
[14:10] <alkisg> See, you're not using any swap at all
[14:10] <gamblor3> what does that mean
[14:10] <alkisg> You're using 1.5 GB of RAM only
[14:10] <gamblor3> i gave 4gb
[14:10] <gamblor3> in virtualbox
[14:11] <alkisg> That means that with 2 GB, 4 GB, 8 GB etc, you'll see the same speed
[14:11] <gamblor3> it's only using 1.5 gb?
[14:11] <alkisg> Yes, currently
[14:11] <gamblor3> so how do i swap
[14:11] <alkisg> You don't want to swap, it will make it slow
[14:11] <alkisg> Your Ubuntu VM is fine
[14:11] <alkisg> If you see that it is slow, you need to fix the host
[14:11] <teward> gamblor3: you don't.  you let the system handle whether it needs to swap or not, but it'll slow things down if it has to swap.
[14:11] <gamblor3> its not fine cause im only using 1.5gb i want it to use 4gb
[14:12] <alkisg> Which is not a matter of #ubuntu
[14:12] <teward> if the VM is slow, the host is at fault.
[14:12] <alkisg> gamblor3: you can't use more ram, it will use the ram it needs
[14:12] <teward> ^ that
[14:12] <alkisg> if you open more apps, it will use more
[14:12] <gamblor3> well thats because i rebooted my vm and no programs are currently running
[14:12] <alkisg> Your Ubuntu VM is just fine. Join #windows for the rest :)
[14:12] <EriC^^> gamblor3: https://www.lifewire.com/what-is-random-access-memory-ram-2618159
[14:12] <gamblor3> let me startup my shit and ill check swap again
[14:12] <alkisg> gamblor3: so it's fast now?
[14:12] <alkisg> Didn't you say that even typing is slow?
[14:14] <gamblor3> yes
[14:14] <gamblor3> i started up all my stuff
[14:15] <gamblor3> it's running like molasses now
[14:15] <gamblor3> Swap:      1570812          0    1570812
[14:15] <alkisg> You didn't answer: before you started your stuff, was it fast?
[14:16] <gamblor3> i couldnt tell
[14:16] <gamblor3> all i did was open up the terminal
[14:16] <gamblor3> i guess it was fast
[14:16] <gamblor3> when it opened up
[14:16] <alkisg> Anyways, you're still not using swap, so adding more ram won't help
[14:17] <alkisg> if you ever see that you are using swap, THEN add more ram
[14:17] <TJ-> gamblor3: As alkisg has already said, if everything in the VM seems slow that suggests that hardware-accelerated virtual machine extensions are NOT being used on the bare-metal host, or by the hypervisor (VirtualBox ?)
[14:17] <gamblor3> alkisg, maybe i need to add more gb to my vm?
[14:17] <mircx1> Hello i have a problem when i will try inside to phppgadmin in brows then i see write code php how i will fix it?
[14:18] <alkisg> gamblor3: try it. It won't help, but I don't think you are listening, so... :)
[14:18] <gamblor3> well whats the issue then?
[14:18] <alkisg> Read 4 lines above
[14:19] <alkisg> What TJ- said...
[14:20] <mircx1> someone please?
[14:22] <mircx1>  i have a problem when i will try inside to phppgadmin in brows then i see write code php how i will fix it?
[14:22] <TJ-> ?
[14:23] <mircx1> i will try inside to phppgadmin and i see code php what i need install for it?
[14:24] <TJ-> mircx1: sounds like a web-server configuration problem.
[14:24] <mircx1> i remove apache2 and i back him
[14:24] <mircx1> because i have a little problem with phppgadmin.conf
[14:25] <TJ-> mircx1: you'll need to look at the Apache or phppgadmin documentation or their IRC channels; we're not experts in that stuff
[14:31] <ioria> anyone is aware of some systemd-resolved issue on zesty  (updated) ; i had to disable it and install dnsmasq   (or edit /etc/resolv.conf manually)
[14:36] <dupondje> Hi All! I added some favourite in the 'dash-to-dock', but when I run the software, it shows the icon twice then ... Any idea?
[14:37] <ioria> dupondje, maybe a duplicated .desktop file somewhere
[14:48] <ylwghst> Hello, maybe someone will be interessted in this https://askubuntu.com/questions/777640/help-me-kill-this-red-light-coming-from-headphone-jack/970260#970260
[14:50] <pinkisntwell> there are some libraries that allow you to hook into running programs and patch functions. How do they work? How do they know where each function is loaded in memory?
[14:55] <TJ-> pinkisntwell: via the ELF headers in the libraries
[14:57] <pinkisntwell> TJ-: does the elf header hold all the fubction names? even non-dynamic?
[14:59] <TJ-> pinkisntwell: see the ELF specification ... there's a lot of info in exe/lib headers
[15:21] <Tuxist> hi i need help to debug my epoll interface it will be hang if i got many connections on it
[15:27] <TJ-> Tuxist: that's not really an Ubuntu issue; that's more programming.
[15:28] <ducasse> !alis | Tuxist
[15:28] <TJ-> Tuxist: and as you're writing an apache httpd module it's not something we support in #ubuntu
[15:29] <Tuxist> ok #ubuntu-programming theems to be death
[15:30] <krabador> my code is mine.
[15:37] <MonkeyDust> Tuxist  try #ubuntu-app-devel
[15:38] <Tuxist> thank you
[15:45] <hosas> hello, how does one create Make.user or is it normally created automatically[but I doubt it] ? thanks
[15:51] <SchrodingersScat> hosas: what are you trying to do?
[15:56] <hosas> SchrodingersScat: I'm trying to compile Julia using Intel MKL, and the README file said I should add some parameters in Make.user before running make, but I couldn't find and Make.user file. So I presume it has t be created manually. And want to know how to create it. it's first coming across something called Make.user. Thanks
[15:58] <SchrodingersScat> hosas: ok, any text editor should be able to do this.
[15:58] <TJ-> hosas: that's probably something created by a ./configure script
[16:00] <hosas> SchrodingersScat: so is the same as creating Makefile [I know how to do that], just save it as Make.user, right?
[16:03] <hosas> TJ-: configure doesn't exist. And I've asked in #julia no one there is has compiled it the way I want to- I need to compile it with the MKL to take advantage its of highly optimised libraries.  Thanks
[16:03] <aneks> Hi all, I've had some issues with the display and drivers running ubuntu 17.10 - I have since then installed the latest mesa drivers and now when I boot into ubuntu my display is all distorted, I can't make up the icons or the text. I took a screenshot of the desktop and when I open the image in Windows they look fine :/
[16:04] <auronandace> aneks: in that case you may need to take a physical picture with a camera to show what you mean
[16:06] <pavlos> hosas: this might help (Make.user) ... https://github.com/JuliaLang/julia#intel-compilers-and-math-kernel-library-mkl
[16:06] <aneks> auronandace: I guess I will.. brb
[16:07] <hosas> pavlos: I checked that before coming here. I would create the file manually and see if  it works. Thanks
[16:18] <aneks> auronandace: https://pasteboard.co/GR2JUxT.jpg
[16:18] <aneks> that's what it looks like
[16:25] <auronandace> aneks: wow, that is strange. Did you say that is 17.10? it looks like unity more than gnome 3
[16:26] <auronandace> aneks: ah, silly me, that is gnome3. That is meant to say activities in the top left
[16:27] <aneks> auronandace: yep 17.10 and it is running gnome 3 - I have no idea what is causing it and how to fix it
[16:34] <auronandace> aneks: are you using the default login? if so then that will be using wayland as the display server
[16:35] <auronandace> aneks: you cn try loggin in with X as the display server instead to see if that makes a difference
[16:35] <aneks> auronandace: using the default login but when I log in and run loginctl show-session (session number) -p Type it shows X11 - so it's falling back onto Xorg rather than using wayland
[16:38] <pavlos> aneks: can you add nomodeset in the kernel boot command ?
[16:40] <aneks> pavlos: yes I can and when I do the image clears up but then it's running the generic driver and my only resolution option is 1280x1024 - my monitor is a LG 34" ultra wide so that resolution looks horrible
[16:40] <pavlos> aneks: what nvidia card do you have?
[16:41] <aneks> pavlos: my card is amd rx 560
[16:41] <aneks> issue is that the amdgpu-pro driver only works on the 16.04 LTS release
[16:43] <pavlos> aneks: read this ... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1705369
[16:43] <pavlos> aneks: the comments
[16:43] <Neo1> hi guys
[16:44] <Neo1> I installed centos on server, customize firewall there and not server ssh unavailable, how correct this?
[16:45] <Neo1> support say return back setting, and I can't
[16:45] <Neo1> or reinstall OS, I am thinking what is choose? Read ubuntu easier customize?
[16:46] <Neo1> which version choose for server, I will reinstall OS
[16:46] <tgm4883> Neo1: There's a server ISO
[16:46] <tgm4883> https://www.ubuntu.com/download/server
[16:46] <Neo1> what I look what I have
[16:47] <Neo1> tgm4883: see in control panel I have this http://prntscr.com/h36bir
[16:48] <aneks> pavlos: I'll test it out now
[16:48] <Neo1> 16.04
[16:48] <tgm4883> Neo1: 16.04
[16:48] <texla> Looking for a "How to install a Network" on a laptop with wifi and a desktop hardwired to a Sage router..I want to install a print server both using Ubuntu 16.04
[16:49] <Neo1> tgm4883: and what I should install on windows for learn it? and where manual read? I don't know how to do there something. Found this https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/serverguide.pdf
[16:50] <tgm4883> Neo1: that server guide is a good start
[16:50] <BlitzerHound> Is there a way to install ubuntu with a flash drive that has 480MB of data? It's all I have right now.
[16:50] <Neo1> tgm4883: would be good if I have it on my windows and test commands there at first
[16:51] <Neo1> tgm4883: what version install on virtual machine?
[16:51] <tgm4883> Neo1: install the same version that you want to learn
[16:51] <Neo1> tgm4883: and there will desktop or only command line?
[16:52] <Neo1> tgm4883: ok, take the same
[16:52] <tgm4883> Neo1: If you install the server ISO, then command line only. Or you could install the desktop version. The difference between the two is only the GUI
[16:52] <Neo1> tgm4883: better install with GUI? With GUI maybe will easier learn?
[16:53] <mkmeral> BlitzerHound: As far as i know all of the apps formats the usb first so, back up the files on pc then flash it, then you can copy those files back to usb
[16:53] <tgm4883> Neo1: it's a matter of preference. I'd say it's better without a GUI for server. You're learning, but doing it in a VM so there isnt really a need for a GUI
[16:53] <BlitzerHound> It's empty, but that's its maximum capacity is 480MB
[16:54] <mkmeral> oo ok, do you have access to internet online
[16:54] <Neo1> tgm4883: ok, understood
[16:54] <Neo1> mkmeral: and I can ISPmanager also install there?
[16:54] <BlitzerHound> Well, the computer I'm trying to install this on won't actually turn on proper, I think there's something wrong with the OS.
[16:54] <BlitzerHound> So I was going to install ubuntu to see if that would fix anything
[16:55] <BlitzerHound> It keeps doing the blue screen thing, but it's running on an old version of windows xp. So if I can install linux on it, I figure at least then I'll know if it's a hardware problem.
[16:56] <mkmeral> you can use the network installer, its smaller
[16:56] <mkmeral> i dont remember its size but what it does it, it install script to connect to the servers on usb
[16:57] <BlitzerHound> I would need the laptop hardwired though wouldn't I?
[16:57] <BlitzerHound> All I have is wifi right now
[16:57] <mkmeral> I am not sure about it, but probably you can use wifi
[16:57] <BlitzerHound> So I can put it on a flash drive to boot from it?
[16:59] <mkmeral> yes when you got into the ubuntu desktop page choose alternative ways to download
[16:59] <mkmeral> there youll see network installer
[16:59] <mkmeral> then download the one for your system
[16:59] <BlitzerHound> What about these 'minimal cd' things? These are like 58MB or so
[16:59] <mkmeral> also in that page you will be able to see the documentation
[16:59] <mkmeral> yes they are the ones
[17:00] <cerion> hi. I have a VM on vbox with ubuntu 17.10 freshly installed and it does not even open gnome-control-center aka the settings...
[17:00] <brainwash> cerion: what error do you get when you run it from a terminal window?
[17:00] <cerion> brainwash: nothing
[17:01] <brainwash> that's not much
[17:01] <brainwash> :/
[17:01] <ducasse> BlitzerHound: iirc the mini cd is wired only, but i might be wrong there
[17:05] <cerion> brainwash: even in verbose mode. Can't login either in Xorg+gnoem shell
[17:06] <cerion> oh no I can't even login anymore... king of buggy... hopfully it runs better on my laptop than in vobx
[17:06] <brainwash> cerion: did it work with ubuntu 17.04?
[17:07] <cerion> brainwash: I dont know. Why can't I login anymore once I tried to run gnome-control-center ??? I could once without problem after install. Now I can't
[17:08] <brainwash> I would check log files in this case
[17:08] <brainwash> files in /var/log
[17:08] <cerion> I can't login
[17:08] <brainwash> and via journalctl
[17:08] <brainwash> you can login via tty
[17:08] <cerion> and now it can't boot properly can't run gdm omg wtf
[17:10] <brainwash> pretty odd
[17:10] <brainwash> but you can switch to tty1.. right?
[17:13] <malkauns> in Ubuntu 17.10 why does desktop sharing get disabled after every reboot?
[17:13] <malkauns> annoying
[17:22] <dupondje> Hi All! I added some favourite in the 'dash-to-dock', but when I run the software, it shows the icon twice then ... Any idea? This doesn't happen with other apps that were already there before the upgrade btw
[17:28] <drblah> Hello. I am looking for help troubleshooting a problem with my laptop when running Ubuntu (or Linux in general). The problem manifests as a temporary display corruption in a part of the display. My GPU is reported as a Hashell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller. The problem goes away if I boot with nomodeset. A more detailed writeup can be found on stackexchange here: https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/247969/screen-corruption
[17:34] <pavlos> malkauns: log into Ubuntu using xserver instead of Wayland. Wayland doesn’t appear to allow screen sharing at this point.
[17:34] <malkauns> pavlos, i am :)
[17:35] <malkauns> and it works if i enable it, but i have to enable it after every reboot :(
[17:39] <brainwash> drblah: I suggest asking in #intel-gfx
[17:39] <parimal> hi
[17:39] <parimal> i need some help with my wifi connection
[17:40] <drblah> brainwash: Ok. That is probably a good idea. Thanks
[17:43] <parimal> my wifi connection keeps dropping. i have a broadcom wireless card and ubuntu 16.04 lts . what
[17:44] <parimal> is the best way to get help on this ?
[17:44] <pavlos> malkauns: running on vbox, I enabled Desktop Sharing (active), rebooted, still active.
[17:44] <malkauns> good for you man
[17:44] <malkauns> wish that helped me though :P
[17:56] <ChunkzZ> question, when I turn my pc on and boot into 17.10 - my wireless keyboard works fine. if I however, put it in sleep mode and then turn my pc back on, nearly everytime I try and type, my keyboard stops typing and I have to wait ages and sometimes it just types 1 key, it works on Windows 10 though. any idea where to troubleshoot?
[17:58] <randomNewbie> Hi! I'm trying to wrap my head around the relations between... stuff. When I do $ service apache2 restart - from what I know, it in turn runs 'apachectl'. Now - the idea behind running it through 'service' belongs to ubuntu, debian, or something else?
[17:59] <randomNewbie> And why can't I just run $ apachectl restart?
[18:00] <tehstormcrow> hi i updated my pc to ubuntu 17.10, when i press down a key, it stops repeating after few times randomly. I have key repeat option on at settings pls halp
[18:00] <pavlos> randomNewbie: take a look at /etc/init.d/apache2
[18:01] <randomNewbie> yes, this is which puzzles me, pavlos - another puzzle element...
[18:01] <randomNewbie> I know this exists, but what runs what?
[18:03] <randomNewbie> pavlos, I mean, /etc/init.d/apache2 seems to run /usr/sbin/apache2 as well as apache2ctl .... I'm a bit lost
[18:04] <pavlos> randomNewbie: apache2 script does a lot of things, later on in the do_start() function it calls apachectl
[18:05] <randomNewbie> right! that is why I'm lost, I'm not sure how to connect the dots. The apachectl seems to be the fundamental one right?
[18:05] <randomNewbie> pavlos, ^
[18:05] <randomNewbie> the basic one.
[18:05] <bluesmonk> hi guys. I'm trying to set up a jekyll blog in ~/Documents, which uses Bundle. I have this log Bundler: It is likely that you need to grant write permissions for that path.
[18:06] <ChunkzZ> tehstormcrow: I have the same issue too.
[18:06] <bluesmonk> and I should not need rw permissions of any kind (for what I know)?
[18:07] <bluesmonk> I mean, for ~/Documents
[18:07] <pavlos> randomNewbie: apachectl can do more, see https://serverfault.com/questions/645538/what-is-the-difference-between-using-apachectl-and-apache2-to-restart-apache
[18:11] <randomNewbie> pavlos, ok, thank you! Just one more question, if you know - is the 'service...' script specific to debian or is it more linux-wide?
[18:14] <parsnip> just joined, bluesmonk asked about using sudo with jekyll in ~/Documents, fails without sudo, suggested to try on #ubuntu.
[18:15] <pavlos> randomNewbie: I dont think all linux flavors use service, I could be wrong.
[18:15] <parsnip> their Documents is like drwxr-xr-x ... user user
[18:15] <randomNewbie> pavlos, ok, thanks!
[18:17] <Richard_Cavell> Has anyone had good results running Windows version of Steam under WINE on 16.04?
[18:17] <Richard_Cavell> Some games are not available on Linux but are available on Windows
[18:18] <alkisg> Richard_Cavell: maybe ask in #winehq?
[18:18] <FurretUber> I have installed Xubuntu 16.04 on a pen drive which I'm using on my desktop. When I'm with a unprivileged user sometimes I can't turn off the computer: https://i.imgur.com/AUVdylj.jpg
[18:20] <jeremy31> FurretUber, in terminal shutdown now doesn't work?
[18:20] <FurretUber> Using systemctl poweroff it worked. But this isn't happening 100% of time
[18:20] <parsnip> bluesmonk: what if you `cd ~/Documents` and `touch test.txt`?
[18:21] <jeremy31> FurretUber, does the screen go blank but not shutdown
[18:21] <FurretUber> It keeps as in the photo
[18:21] <FurretUber> That messages appearing
[18:22] <bluesmonk> parsnip: no issues
[18:23] <bluesmonk> I can touch stuff, mkdir, mv and cp stuff
[18:23] <parsnip> bluesmonk: and in Documents, what if you `jekyll new testProject`?
[18:24] <BlitzerHound> Okay so I have a flash drive with 959MB available. Is there a way to install ubuntu with this?
[18:24] <bluesmonk> parsnip: requires root
[18:24] <parsnip> bluesmonk: don't do it with root
[18:24] <alkisg> bluesmonk: does this return anything? find ~ ! -uid $(id -u)
[18:24] <bluesmonk> parsnip: Just saying that without root does not work
[18:25] <parsnip> bluesmonk: sure, i just wanted to make sure that you just don't go that way :)
[18:25] <parsnip> need to try "the other way"
[18:25] <bluesmonk> alkisg yes, a lot of paths pointing to nvm, jekyll and other stuff
[18:26] <MonkeyDust> parsnip  = ActionParsnip ?
[18:26] <alkisg> bluesmonk: those are not owned by you (you possibly ran sudo before), so you don't have access there
[18:26] <d3p74> Hello - I have been having problems with HDMI Audio-Out on a Dell XPS 13 laptop (Developer Edition). It's running Ubuntu 17.04 with 4.10.1-041001-generic kernel. The gpu is Intel(R) HD Graphics 620. I have been able to get HDMI audio to work, but only by using Mirror Display settings, which also initially sets my Resolution to 1680x1050 instead of 1920x1080. I can get 1920x1080 resolution if I apply that configuration, but this means I
[18:26] <d3p74> adjust the display settings twice just to get HDMI AUDIO to work.
[18:26] <alkisg> It's best not to have files not owned by you in your home dir, use sudo chown to change them
[18:26] <d3p74> Any ideas about what I need to do to troubleshoot this?
[18:26] <parsnip> MonkeyDust: no, i think i've only used parnsip, parnsip0, ..., parsnipM_
[18:27] <parsnip> bluesmonk: the theme is, try to never use sudo
[18:27] <bluesmonk> alkisg: what do you mean I possibly ran sudo before? I'll try in a fresh terminal
[18:27] <parsnip> bluesmonk: for like `gem install`, etc, find a way to not use sudo
[18:28] <alkisg> bluesmonk: for example, if I run `sudo mkdir dir`, then that dir is owned by root, not me, so I can't write into it
[18:28] <alkisg> bluesmonk: so, use `sudo chown -R $USER:$USER ~` to set back the owner to you, instead of root
[18:28] <parsnip> bluesmonk: i pretty much only use sudo for `sudo apt install ...` and `sudo edit /etc/..../some_config.cfg`, type of things, and rarely the latter.
[18:28] <BlitzerHound> Okay, new question.  Where do I get the smaller CD version of Ubuntu?
[18:29] <jeremy31> BlitzerHound, I don't think the CD size exists anymore
[18:29] <alkisg> BlitzerHound: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[18:30] <alkisg> Ah, unless you mean a full desktop in cd size, which yeah doesn't exist anymore
[18:30] <alkisg> Those minimal CDs get most of the data from the net
[18:32] <bluesmonk> parsnip, alkisg: so how do you install ruby or gems outside of root?
[18:33] <bluesmonk> for example to install rubygems I require root privileges
[18:33] <bluesmonk> https://rubygems.org/pages/download#formats
[18:33] <parsnip> many installers have an option like --user
[18:40] <ph88> hey guys i installed this package and it installed a lot of stuff with it .. but when i removed the package again it didn't also uninstall all those dependencies .. how can i do a full uninstall ?   https://bpaste.net/show/77aea2a53cac
[18:41] <bluesmonk> parsnip: I don't want to be rude or ungrateful... is just that I find hard to believe that I install gems with sudo and a gem locally. I found nothing on man gem.
[18:41] <bluesmonk> it's just that*
[18:42] <parsnip> "gems with sudo and a gem locally"?
[18:42] <parsnip> i don't understand what you are saying.
[18:44] <bluesmonk> sorry, I meant installing ruby with sudo, but gems without it
[18:44] <bluesmonk> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/37720892/you-dont-have-write-permissions-for-the-var-lib-gems-2-3-0-directory
[18:45] <parsnip> bluesmonk: why not? when i `sudo apt install pip`, i then install things as user with pip.
[18:45] <alkisg> bluesmonk: I'm not using ruby, but files in /var/lib are supposed to be owned by root, and in $HOME by you.
[18:46] <parsnip> yeah, i think alkisg is seeing issue more precisely
[18:46] <Jordan_U> ph88: You have at least two options. 1: Try "sudo apt autoremve". That will remove all packages that were installed only because they were dependancies of a package that is now no longer installed. This may remove more than you intend as it might remove packages that are "orphaned" from other packages you're removed. 2: Since you have the list of packages that was installed, just copy and paste it into
[18:46] <Jordan_U> "sudo apt-get remove ". You'll want to edit the list of packages in a text editor so that it doesn't have any newlines in it.
[18:46] <parsnip> i'm just additionally suggesting that i avoid installing as root as much as possible.
[18:48] <ph88> Jordan_U, apt autoremove didn't do it
[18:49] <Jordan_U> ph88: Have you already run "sudo apt remove wxmaxima"?
[18:50] <ph88> yes
[18:51] <ph88> ok i just do sudo apt remove and then the entire list
[18:51] <ph88> it's just strange it doesn't go automatically
[18:52] <alkisg> If those packages were recommended by other installed packages, they're not autoremoved
[18:54] <stiltzkin> Hey there, is there anyone here who might be able to give me a hand setting up an NFS server on 16.04 LTS? I've set up all kinds of other services just fine but I've never been able to make NFS work at home. Any help appreciated
[18:54] <stiltzkin> And yes, I am aware of the official SettingUpNFSHowTo community guide/
[18:55] <Manngunner> aiena: Enable IP forwarding, does the other network already have DHCP? or do you want to configure your server to do it?
[18:56] <stiltzkin> There is one catch which is that this has to be an NFSv3 server, it can't be NFSv4 as done in the official guide. The clients I want to serve to don't support v4
[18:58] <BluesKaj> stiltzkin, https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/serverguide/network-file-system.html
[18:58] <stiltzkin> yes this is also an nfsv4 guide
[18:59] <BluesKaj> oops. wrong version then
[18:59] <stiltzkin> it also does not cover any security settings or firewall configuration
[18:59] <stiltzkin> which seems important since most servers are going to run some sort of firewall. NFS services start on random ports unless specifically locked to specified ports
[18:59] <stiltzkin> which I've already tried to do, to no avail
[19:01] <BluesKaj> one can usually lock various connected devices on the router firmware with IP reservation options
[19:02] <stiltzkin> not the server IP - the ports used by the services (nfs-kernel-server, portmapper, rquotad, lockd, statd, etc)
[19:02] <stiltzkin> I have read through this guide as well: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/NFS-HOWTO/security.html
[19:04] <stiltzkin> this is a LAN service so I don't need to worry about port forwarding to the external world. This will only serve clients on my network
[19:04] <pavlos> stiltzkin: see last post, https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2160663
[19:05] <stiltzkin> pavlos, yes I have seen that option and it is set in my config
[19:06] <stiltzkin> but it still seems to not work - I can't see the mounts from any client other than the server itself
[19:06] <stiltzkin> so I suspect something is getting blocked by ufs
[19:06] <stiltzkin> *ufw
[19:07] <BluesKaj> sounds to me like you've painted yourself into a corner security waise
[19:07] <pavlos> stiltzkin: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/205403/disable-nfsv4-server-on-debian-allow-nfsv3
[19:07] <ioria> stiltzkin, sudo  ufw status  should tell you
[19:08] <stiltzkin> pavlos, that's interesting
[19:08] <pavlos> stiltzkin: a different var name
[19:08] <stiltzkin> let me see if that makes any difference
[19:09] <JanC> anyone else having trouble with gnome-shell using 80% CPU and the UI becoming really slow (mouse cursor jumping around instead of moving fluidly; workspace switching taking 5 seconds, etc.)?
[19:16] <indistylo> Using ubuntu to create bootable usb, encountered this problem, unable to format pendrive, it shows this message, https://paste.debian.net/993163/ , how to get rid of this problem
[19:18] <bcowan> anyone know if the installer still fails if you tell it not to install a bootloader?
[19:18] <indistylo> how to mount/umount and format usb pendrive from command line, in single Pendrive it shows 2 partitions /dev/sdb
[19:21] <joebobjoe> are there any libraries that wrap epoll()
[19:21] <joebobjoe> to make it easier to use aio on linux
[19:22] <alkisg> indistylo: which program did you use to create the pendrive?
[19:23] <bcowan> indistylo, mkdir /mnt/blah && mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/blah
[19:23] <pavlos> indistylo: as the msg says, can you use parted to delete all partitions and then format sdb?
[19:24] <joebobjoe> oh, libuv supports epoll()? nice
[19:25] <joebobjoe> nope. nevermind. they lied. libuv file io is synchronous
[19:25] <ioria> joebobjoe, epoll is broken
[19:27] <arunpyasi> Hello everyone, I am having an issue ! I have a disk mounted and running and i have vsftpd running as ftp. Here, I have the link of the HDD under the folder where the ftp home is, when I try to login ftp, I get stuck at Retrieving directory listing.... How do I fix it ?
[19:29] <mellohey> im about to do a fresh ubuntu install, if i want it to span two harddrives what would i need to do
[19:29] <mellohey> i have one 512 ssd disk and one 1tb hdd
[19:29] <mellohey> should i put the swap and the boot on the 1tb hdd?
[19:29] <mellohey> and the home on ssd?
[19:30] <achumapuma> boot and swap you probably want on the ssd then home on the other drive for your general file storage
[19:31] <ioria> mellohey, what version of ubuntu ?
[19:31] <mellohey> 17.10
[19:31] <ioria> mellohey, how much ram do you have ?
[19:31] <mellohey> i want apps and games to load as fast as possible, thats why i thought maybe put home under ssd
[19:31] <mellohey> 32gb ram
[19:32] <bcowan> you want your root on the ssd too, but home on the mechanical drive
[19:32] <ioria> mellohey, i don't think you need swap ... btw, the installer will make a /swapfile
[19:33] <joebobjoe> ioria: well will we ever get an alternative to epoll then?
[19:33] <bcowan> i highly doubt he'll swap anything with 32gig ram, but id make sure its on the ssd also for performance reasons
[19:33] <BluesKaj> with 32G Ram who needs swap
[19:34] <mellohey> ok, so how do i partion the drives?
[19:34] <mellohey> root and home ssd, and boot on the mechanical?
[19:34] <bcowan> boot on the ssd also so the kernel and bootloader start fast
[19:35] <mellohey> but then again i want boot under ssd to get faster boot up time
[19:36] <stiltzkin> It still does not seem to work. When I run "showmount -e <server ip>" from any client, showmount just hangs
[19:36] <stiltzkin> and worse, can't be killed with Ctrl+C - I have to find the process id and then kill -9 it
[19:37] <ioria> joebobjoe, https://idea.popcount.org/2017-02-20-epoll-is-fundamentally-broken-12/
[19:38] <mellohey> come on guys ur the genius's how would i partion the drives
[19:38] <mellohey> 5k in the room 2 responds, show me why linux is awesome
[19:38] <mellohey> help me
[19:39] <fallenour> o/
[19:39] <achumapuma> I'd just do the whole install on the ssd, put any proggies I need to run supa fast on that drive and use the second drive for all other storage
[19:39] <ioria> mellohey, they told you : root on ssd , home on the disk
[19:39] <mellohey> but if i want stuff to be installed on the hdd
[19:39] <bcowan> everything on the ssd except home
[19:40] <ioria> mellohey, why ? if you have ssd
[19:40] <mellohey> dont want it to get full
[19:40] <bcowan> ssd is on the order of 8-10x faster than hdd
[19:40] <mellohey> ok so all except home under the ssd then
[19:41] <fallenour> having issues using insserv, I keep getting a insserv command not found. I updated updatedb, I located it via locate, and copied it over to /usr/bin as well, and reran updatedb command, and still getting command error
[19:41] <ioria> mellohey, ssd size ?
[19:41] <mellohey> 512gb
[19:41] <bcowan> you would have to install a crapton of stuff to fill a 512gb ssd
[19:41] <ioria> mellohey, it's ok
[19:42] <fallenour> scratch that, now getting insserv: novnc no such file or directory
[19:42] <bcowan> probably everything in the entire repository
[19:42] <rsawyer6003> mellohey I wouldn't worry about the HDD, put it all on the SSD and backup /home to the HDD
[19:43] <ioria> mellohey, problems arise when you have a small /boot (usually)
[19:43] <mellohey> i have few games that are big, dont want them on the ssd thou
[19:44] <Mobley> window
[19:44] <bcowan> whats the point of a huge fast ssd if you dont want anything on it?
[19:45] <rsawyer6003> Mellohey, I know. I have a much smaller SSD and have filled it up as well. So I would love if there was a way to solve this.
[19:45] <mellohey> i want software  that i use dily on it, games i just want to be able to play, no need of the fast boot time
[19:46] <ioria> mellohey, install games under /home  ?
[19:46] <cool_dude> hey
[19:46] <rsawyer6003> Ioria, is that possible?
[19:46] <ioria> rsawyer6003, depends .... not a gamer btw
[19:46] <fallenour> am I in the ubuntu channel? o.O
[19:47] <rsawyer6003> fallenour yes
[19:47] <rsawyer6003> ioria, is that possible?
[19:47] <ioria> rsawyer6003, by default Steam stores games in your home directory
[19:48] <rsawyer6003> ioria, I see. I don't use steam. The only game I play is FlightGear and 0A.D
[19:48] <rsawyer6003> lol
[19:48] <texla> How can I tell if I have a dhcp network
[19:49] <cool_dude> i have c++ program in a folder and i want to limit that folder to use 10% or any%  of cpu
[19:49] <alkisg> texla: sudo /usr/lib/klibc/bin/ipconfig -n eth0, where eth0 is your network card, you can see it with `ip a`
[19:49] <rsawyer6003> texla ifconfig will list the config of all your network interfaces
[19:50] <cool_dude> why folder because i have same program in two different folders and i want to limit 1 folder to use 10%
[19:54] <indistylo> GPT signature warning while trying to format USB, https://paste.ubuntu.com/25839116/
[19:55] <Jordan_U> indistylo: What did you last use this USB drive for? Do you know if it's supposed to have a GPT label or an msdos label?
[19:56] <indistylo> alkisg, I used sudo dd if=path_to_iso_image of=path_to_usb
[19:56] <alkisg> indistylo: I don't think that the .iso has a gpt table, maybe you did some tries with other software before that, and you dd'ed to sdb1 instead of sdb?
[19:57] <indistylo> alkisg, the mistake I did, i stopped CTRL+C in between the process and then tried to format usb in windows.
[19:57] <alkisg> indistylo: well anyway just use dd again, it will overwrite the partition table completely
[19:58] <alkisg> Make sure you don't have anything mounted
[19:58] <cool_dude> can i limit folder to use only 10% of cpu
[19:58] <cool_dude> ?
[19:58] <indistylo> Jordan_U, I dont remember frankly
[19:59] <Jordan_U> indistylo: Are you still trying to make a bootable Ubuntu USB?
[20:00] <indistylo> alkisg, I dd'ed sdb instead of sdb1, as i was aware of using this command, I have to specify /dev/sdb instead of /dev/sdb1
[20:00] <Exterminador^> hello guys. I was wondering if it's possible to make a backup of a VPS directly to my pc
[20:00] <indistylo> Jordan_U, yes
[20:01] <alkisg> indistylo: ok; type "mount | grep sdb" to see that you don't have anything mounted, then use dd again to create the usb properly
[20:02] <Jordan_U> indistylo: OK. Then just dd the Ubuntu iso to the USB drive, being *very* careful that your of= is the correct device (or you could wipe all data from the wrong drive). Don't bother with parted or anything else.
[20:03] <fallenour> anyone know anything about novnc?
[20:05] <Term1nal> on 17.10 (Gnome) when I get the notification regarding pending updates, I click on the notification and select "show updates" (can't remember the exact verbage), but the updates application does not appear
[20:05] <indistylo> alkisg, Jordan_U : the problem being in of=/dev/sdb ; I am not able to give path in terminal as its not availale at /media/user_name/usb_dev_name ; under dev_name it shows only my hdd ,not usb+hdd which it should show
[20:05] <Term1nal> I have to go into apps and find the software updater app
[20:07] <alkisg> indistylo: what's the output of this command? sudo lsblk --fs
[20:08] <alkisg> Exterminador^: sure, either with rsync (file based) or even with dd (block based), over ssh
[20:10] <Jordan_U> indistylo: /media/username/filesystem_label/ is a mountpoint, it's where you access files from a filesystem. You don't want to access files from a filesystem, and your USB drive *cannot* be mounted when you're using dd. So sdb not showing up in /media/username/ is a *good* thing.
[20:14] <Exterminador^> alkisg: I do need to access from the VPS to my pc in order to use rsync, in example, right? or I can do it all from my pc?
[20:15] <Exterminador^> (accessing using SSH, I mean)
[20:16] <alkisg> Exterminador^: yes you need to login with ssh/rsync there
[20:17] <Exterminador^> so, it's server => pc and not pc <= server?
[20:18] <alkisg> You can do it either way. In either case, you need to run code at both ends. E.g. ssh from home to vps or from vps to home.
[20:19] <Exterminador^> I've found the command only to `upload` not to `download`
[20:21] <Mobley> download trough scp ?
[20:22] <Jordan_U> Exterminador^: rsync has the source argument first, then the destination argument. If the source argument points to something local and the destination something remote, then it's an "upload". If the source is remote and the destination local it's a "download". Both source and destination could also be remote, or both could be local.
[20:23] <Exterminador^> I could use the  sftp command from command line? will it work or some files/dir won't be backed up?
[20:27] <Exterminador^> oh. I found the difference between them. I guess that I'll try to use rsync :)
[20:28] <Exterminador^> I guess that to completely backup the remote VPS I need to rsync the "/*" folder, right?
[20:34] <Jordan_U> Exterminador^: Did you understand my comment? For example, "rsync jordan@foobar.com:some/directory/ some/directory" would be a "download", and "rsync some/directory jordan@foobar.com:some/directory" would be an "upload", because the jordan@foobar.com tells us that the argument is remote, and the lack of any user@host in the other argument tells us it's local. People don't talk about it as uploading vs
[20:34] <Jordan_U> downloading much because with rsync the process is pretty much the same.
[20:35] <Exterminador^> Jordan_U: I did understand. but I need to rsync *all* the files on the VPS, so I guess the `folde/dir` should be /, correct?
[20:36] <Exterminador^> as I need /home, /root, /etc and so on
[20:37] <oerheks> backup your data, not the vps itself.
[20:38] <Exterminador^> okay. I've done `rsync -av user@host:/* VPS` and seems it's working :)
[20:38] <cool_dude> best way to limit folder ?
[20:38] <cool_dude> cpu limit ^^
[20:39] <Exterminador^> oerheks: I really need almost all files. I've create a few extra folders and stuff, so I need to backup it entirely (mysql will be backed up later using webmin).
[20:40] <Jordan_U> Exterminador^: The '*' isn't needed.
[20:41] <Exterminador^> Jordan_U: oh, thanks for the tip. but it won't hurt, correct? :)
[20:43] <gma> hi. I'm trying to use dd to copy the internal drive on an ubuntu 16.04 machine to an external drive. the internal drive is /dev/nvme0n1, the external /dev/sda. I'm finding that dd says "writing to /dev/sda: No space left on device" after it's buffered just over 7GB of data. It doesn't appear to write anything. I tried the same thing on a Solus machine, and it copied data fine.
[20:43] <gma> is there anything specific to the nvme stuff that could cause this? It's Ubuntu 16.04, installed on a Dell XPS 13.
[20:44] <royal_screwup21> how do I delete all files beginning with a specific prefix, say "abc"? So if I have files abc1.txt, abc2.txt abc.py - I want to delete all of them
[20:44] <gma> royal_screwup21, rm abc*
[20:45] <Jordan_U> royal_screwup21: rm -i abc* #That way if you make a typo you won't end up deleting all of your files accidentally.
[20:45] <royal_screwup21> rm: cannot remove 'abc': Is a directory
[20:45] <Exterminador^> royal_screwup21: in case that there's folders too, you need to use the `-rf` option. like `rm -rf abd"*`
[20:45] <Exterminador^> oops
[20:46] <Exterminador^> abc*
[20:46] <Jordan_U> Exterminador^: royal_screwup21: You don't need -f for directories, and I strongly recommend against adding it when it's not needed.
[20:46] <gma> Or even just rm -r (f will hide errors)
[20:47] <Jordan_U> royal_screwup21: -r will recursively delete everything within a directory, then the directory itself. If you combine globbing (using '*') with rm -r, you are entering dangerous territory. Be *very* careful with such commands, as typos can be disastrous.
[20:48] <Jordan_U> royal_screwup21: One way to confirm that the command does what you expect is to run "echo rm -r abc*" which will print the rm command that would be run if you had the same line without the "echo" in front.
[20:48] <royal_screwup21> cool, thanks!
[20:53] <Exterminador^> oh god. this is going to be a very long night. 30Gb to download at 2mb/s lol
[20:55] <Changuar> I keep getting this Mp-bios bug:8254 timer not connected to io-apic everything I search up tells me to use the noapic and/or nomodeset boot option from the livecd and I can boot the livecd but I'm looking for a permanant solution to boot from the hard disk
[20:56] <Changuar> this happens with the graphics card connected and with the onboard as well
[21:05] <Changuar> aha I think I got it, I just reinstalled by moving the hard drive to a different machine and it loaded up
[21:06] <MonkeyDust> Changuar  that's how good this channel is
[21:07] <Changuar> lol
[21:07] <Changuar> well at least with the onboard output, now lets see what happens with the card
[21:08]  * Changuar prays to the nvidia gods
[21:09] <Changuar> so far so good
[21:09] <Changuar> no boot errors
[21:09] <Changuar> yay! success
[21:09] <Changuar> excellent!
[21:20] <indistylo> alkisg, lsblk --fs --> output ; http://paste.debian.net/993179/
[21:24] <Changuar> hmmm after updating I'm back to no output
[21:24] <Changuar> how odd
[21:25] <Changuar> works without the card
[21:28] <Bashing-om> Changuar: ' sudo lshw -C display ' //Maybe install a graphic'd driver ?
[21:31] <Changuar> when I install the card it gives me a long beep followed buy 2 short beeps
[21:31] <Changuar> screen went kinda multicolored at the splash screen
[21:32] <Changuar> this card is old as the hills and pretty useless so if I just have to forgo it that's okay
[21:32] <Changuar> weird that it functioned fine on the fresh install before I updated though
[21:33] <Changuar> got it to boot grub okay now trying regular boot up
[21:34] <Bashing-om> Changuar: Take a read and see what X thinks ' cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log ' .
[21:34] <Changuar> oh there we go, looks like a reset got it to book correctly
[21:34] <Changuar> let me do the display output thing
[21:35] <Changuar> okay it's reading the card okay and giving me a display
[21:35] <Changuar> think I'm good
[21:35] <Changuar> gonna try a reboot and make sure
[21:36] <Changuar> yep I'm all good :)
[22:04] <stiltzkin> I figured out my NFS issues :)
[22:04] <stiltzkin> Turns out config options are not respected (even after a sysctl reset) until the server is rebooted
[22:04] <stiltzkin> So as a result portmap was assigning a high port blocked by my firewall to NFS and the connection was being dropped. Had to look at tcpdump to figure this out
[22:33] <demophobia> viewing https://www.aoa.org/Documents/optometrists/effects-of-computer-use.pdf in firefox, how do i customize the zoom? i see only fixed options, e.g. 100 or 75 percent
[22:39] <jeffree> anyone know why  my dbus command to gnome-screensaver isn't working? https://pastebin.com/EcSuiyEH
[22:40] <jeffree> the included documentation for my version of gnome screensaver says that that is a valid method
[22:41] <kostkon> jeffree, install d-feet and investigate. It might not exist anymore or not present on your current gnome setup
[22:47] <jeffree> kostkon: thanks. seems that method doesn't exist according to that app, weird
[22:52] <sliddjur> How can I see who is using sendmail ?
[22:52] <sliddjur> https://imgur.com/a/1di02 looks like my machine is being used to send a lot of email ?
[22:52] <sliddjur> what script/process is using it?
[22:56] <kostkon> jeffree, well it happens, it's gnome after all
[22:56] <kostkon> jeffree, they remove things all the time
[22:57] <stavrakis> Hi, how can I boot from an sd card reader? I managed to install ubuntu however grub doesn't see the card reader.
[22:57] <jeffree> I guess they don't update documentation too?
[22:57] <kostkon> jeffree, well that's plausible too
[22:59] <tomreyn> stavrakis: which grub is it, theone on eht sdcard or on the hdd / ssd (if you have multiple)? make sure your bios / edfi is (able to and) configured to boot off the sdcard.
[23:02] <d3p74> Hello - I was wondering if someone could help me troubleshoot an audio issue
[23:02] <kostkon> !ask | d3p74
[23:03] <d3p74>  have been having problems with HDMI Audio-Out on a Dell XPS 13 laptop (Developer Edition). It's running Ubuntu 17.04 with 4.10.1-041001-generic kernel. The gpu is Intel(R) HD Graphics 620. I have been able to get HDMI audio to work, but only by using Mirror Display settings
[23:10] <stavrakis> tomreyn, this is on a tablet btw, and grub is installed both on the internal emmc, which I can select in the BIOS. There is no BIOS option for the grub which is installed on the sd card.
[23:12] <stavrakis> Also the kernel is on the sd card, not on the emmc, as there is not enough space on the ESP partition, and I don't really want to resize them as I don't want to mess up the windows installation which is working.
[23:18] <d3p74> Where would I look to figure out what is changing between different display settings that would make HDMI audio work on Mirror Display, but not when I use the external monitor as the Default Display
[23:31] <EleanorEllis> Has anyone managed to block ads on a standalone laptop using dbab?
[23:35] <cores> i think a windows update may have screwed up my ubuntu 16.04/windows 10 dual boot laptop
[23:36] <cores> is fixing this just a matter of booting with a ubuntu usb stick?
[23:42] <Bashing-om> !grub | cores
[23:47] <tomreyn> stavrakis: so if it is as you say, namely the firmware can load the boot manager off the emmc and grub is unable to see the sdcard then i guess you can't access the sdcard until linux is loaded.
[23:49] <stavrakis> tomreyn, so will I have to put the kernel and initrd on the ESP? Then I will need to alter the emmc partitions. Or is there a way to boot a smaller kernel with just sdcard support to chain-load the larger vmlinuz?
[23:52] <tomreyn> stavrakis: you could build a mostly modular kernel an load the modules from another location but this is not a small project to work on. the kernel doesn't need to actually it probably should not go on the esp but on a separate (/boot) partition
[23:53] <tomreyn> stavrakis: how did you test whether grub can see the sdcard btw?
[23:58] <stavrakis> tomreyn, in the shell I can only access the emmc (hd0). There are also (hd1) and (hd2) but when doing ls I get "Filesystem is unknown". I don't relly know if one of them is the reader, and what the other is. They are there even with no sdcard in the reader or anything else plugged in.
[23:59] <stavrakis> *really
[23:59] <tomreyn> stavrakis: "geometry (hd1)"  would hint on which storage it is.