[00:14] <flocculant> bluesabre Unit193 - slowly going through the post-me stuff
[00:15] <flocculant> ind-messages - this is a loss, the almost corresponding xfce plugin is pretty pants imo
[00:16] <flocculant> using the pa plugin - seems to me the only loss is playlist support
[00:16] <flocculant> also the odd hover on plugin goives vol % but open plugin and you lose hover vol %
[00:17] <flocculant> re core
[00:20] <flocculant> Unit193: will like this - I think that x-team has done what it can, -team should now pass that on to -council, if by middway thorugh this cycle -council have got as far as we have so far then we should blast it out on m/l and blogs, and get the CC involved, because if nothing else we have 2 -team members who'll know how to ring the CC bell, quietly and then I'll ring it really loudly
[00:21] <flocculant> this has been out of our court for too long now
[00:21] <flocculant> sorry if bluesabre is overwelmed :)
[00:23] <flocculant> looking in the chanel list - I see at least flexiondotorg from CC is in channel - so it'll be no surprise, especially as I think he's seen the disc over the last 3 years while we tried to do this
[00:23] <flocculant> think that's me caught up
[00:24] <flocculant> bluesabre: - is one of ochosi's pa-plugin things tge playlist doobry? want me to add that to whiteboard - if not so it's just a thing ;p
[00:43] <Unit193> So when I've got it muted, ind-sound's icon turns red if there's something making noise, same in pa-plug?
[00:56] <bluesabre> flocculant, Unit193: I'm interested in adding playlist support, color notification, and sub-device switching
[01:07] <bluesabre> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/stable
[01:07] <bluesabre> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/experimental
[01:16] <Unit193> bluesabre: Did you see pad?
[01:17] <bluesabre> Unit193: yup, not had a chance to poke at it yet
[01:18] <bluesabre> minutes are up
[01:18] <bluesabre> archive page updated to show 2017
[01:24] <flocculant> bluesabre: mark me as someone who will at least test playlist support - kind of have to at this point
[01:24] <bluesabre> :D
[01:24] <flocculant> (not something I actively use)
[01:24] <bluesabre> I'll be testing it too, can't code in the dark :D
[01:25] <flocculant> for sure - probably likely to test it on something else here :p
[01:25] <flocculant> personally - while I understand that parole isn'the tool - I wish parole could do those things for me :)
[01:27] <flocculant> bluesabre: currently I am a mpd client user, with qmpp, clementine and audacious installed
[01:28] <flocculant> just so you know where the 'plays lots of music' team guy sits :D
[01:28] <flocculant> mpd through alsa not pulseaudio
[01:29] <flocculant> usb to dac
[01:29] <flocculant> think that sums it up
[01:33] <bluesabre> Cool, good to know
[01:37] <flocculant> though it useful info sort of - in the meantime it's amost 24 hours since I moaned about foxes - best try and sleep :D
[01:46] <Unit193> bluesabre: https://ftp-master.debian.org/new/ayatana-indicator-printers_0.1.8-1.html - https://github.com/AyatanaIndicators/ayatana-indicator-sound
[01:46] <Unit193> bluesabre: I hear the lattermost is now building on Debian and Ubuntu.
[01:47] <bluesabre> Unit193: very interesting :)
[01:51] <Unit193> bluesabre: How much do you care about ayatana?  And yeah, the answers would be great. :D
[01:51] <Unit193> Glad we could go through this.
[01:52] <bluesabre> Unit193: don't care much, but duplication is silly, would rather ayatana everywhere than ayatana and non- everything
[01:53] <bluesabre> and more stuff in debian means more support generally
[01:53] <Unit193> OK, was going to mention Debian stuff, eg #debian-ayatana. :P
[11:24] <knome> i wouldn't call any PPA "stable" as that's easily interpreted against us
[11:24] <knome> other than that, no comments on the meeting :P
[11:25] <knome> and for a suggestion, staging still sounds roght to me
[12:31] <bluesabre> knome: yeah, staging will still be used, but mainly for SRU purposes
[15:45] <knome> bluesabre, right, but i wouldn't call any PPA "stable"
[15:45] <knome> bluesabre, my other suggestion is "beta"
[15:46] <knome>  though that might be a bit confusing
[15:47] <knome> i'll update my suggestion... rename "staging" to "sru" and "stable" to "staging"
[15:48] <knome> (can be "sru-staging" if you want to be verbose/keep the reference to what the PPA used to be called)
[15:59] <krytarik> Naming a PPA "stable" is rather commonplace (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas?name_filter=stable), and I think people take it as what it means, and not 'supported'
[18:38] <knome> krytarik, you think, but tbh, i don't want to answer even one person on #xubuntu about questions it not being stable
[18:39] <knome> and i don't care what other people/projects do
[18:39] <knome> it's a trivial naming issue, and if we can avoid any confusion or blame towards the project, i strongle recommended avoiding the "stable" term
[18:40] <krytarik> As has been indicated in the meeting, if we don't deem things stable we shouldn't put them there.
[18:40] <knome> i understand
[18:40] <knome> i'm not talking about what the developers consider the PPA to be
[18:41] <knome> it's possible that a package in the "stable" PPA is not going to be included in the final release because it has issues (hence the testing on the PPA for the full cycle)
[18:41] <knome> to be extremely clear, i'm not against the procedure or the usage you  for this
[18:41] <knome> err
[18:42] <knome> ...you planned for this PPA in the meeting
[18:42] <knome> quite the contrary, i couldn't agree more
[18:42] <knome> it's just the name that bothers me
[18:42] <knome> because people might interpret it wrong
[18:43] <knome> (that can happen because many internet people don't really ready anything else except the title in large font)
[18:43] <knome> *read
[21:48] <Unit193> flocculant: In regards to your worry about python2.  So far they're just trying to get it off the main ISO, so as long as they don't go patching or disabling features as to not pull in build-depends (like they did with vte), won't affect us.